Why is it such a big deal if Trump got info about Clinton from

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Hes a deeply corrupted traitor.

Bragging about the importance of Nation and competition and doing those things shows his absolute lack of values or morals. Russia has no human rights and is the backstabbing Bully droped out of school long ago. It doesnt Delivery anything of value to the World but fear.
Hes just an uneducated rich redneck oldmanchild.
Its probably highly illegal but thats mit my cup of tea

>>738779110
it's pretty simple; any foreign aid accepted opens up the executive branch to being bribed blackmailed or influenced, and creates an expectation of reciprocity to the other country.

to give a metaphor: if you asked a hitman to kill someone, you're breaking the law too even though you only ASKED for something to happen; that's the whole point of the law to discourage illegal, immoral or corrupt acts from taking place.

>>738779636
Whereas clinton was a perfect candidate to lead?

If she didn't have so much corruption that Russia would take an interest in her then there'd be nothing for anyone to find out about.

Which is worse since she tried so hard to hide it all.

>>738780493
Theres that name again. For the sake of argument no Hillary is probably no better and just as corrupt. But the issue rests with trump the guy who won the election and is our current sitting president.

> But why is it illegal to begin with?

"What ho, old chap. this rebellious colony and that Mister Washington have just called elections. Well, in the name of the King, we shall invest one thousand pounds to besmirching the name of thah blaggard and traitor John Adams, and instead we shall sponsor a man more amenable to the Colonies returning to the sovereign rule of King George."

that's why foreign aid is illegal in influencing the election.

Now, it may not be the 1790's, and there may not be redcoats at the door, but the principle remains, that no other power should interfere in the affairs of state.

>>738780493
>Whereas clinton was a perfect candidate to lead?
Some one who has served the public with government and international government experience....someone who has never served the public ever

>>738780493
so, like, you're not completely wrong about Clinton not being some sort of golden candidate, but I'd absolutely LOVE to hear you back up the claim that Clinton was corrupt (using your big-boy sources, not Breitbart or any other "blogs-as-news")

Fuck both the 2016 candidates, but fuck DJT more

>>738779636
That was absolutely no answer at all

>>738780427
So you mean that if he hadn't gotten information from russia, there would've been no risk of bribing or influencing?
And how the hell is reciprocity something that should be avoided?

Also that was a terrible metaphor. You can't really compare one country giving information to another and someone asking another person to commit MURDER

I still think it's retarded to have a law that forbids other countries from exposing truth about your candidates
>inb4 maybe it's false info!
Oh yeah, and this whole full on investigation wouldn't have happened in that case then?

>>738779110
>I mean, yeah, it's illegal to accept foreign help that might influence the election.

Lie.

>>738780850
that's pretty well put

>>738780915

>served is probably the wrong word to use for her.

She's never served anyone but herself.

>>738781006
>implying trump is any different
>gud one

>>738780980
it's called foreign electoral intervention dipshit, look it up

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>>738779110
Hичeгo мы и нe вмeшивaлиcь...

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>>738780962
>see image

seriously though, your dumbass doesn't need to understand why it's bad for it to actually be bad.

>>738781249
What's your point then? I shouldn't ask just because you don't know how to answer the question?

>>738779110
it fucking blows my mind that americans are happy to let themselves be cucked by russia in full view of the entire world like this. its fucking pathetic. your president is in the pocket of a massive foreign power and you're like "wtf why is this a problem? i'm just going to beat off and watch my country get fucked"

>>738781392
yeah, basically. If you don't see why it's bad for foreign powers to influence elections, getting into any nuanced discussion whatsoever (like why it was both illegal AND bad for DJT Jr. to accept foreign aid in the election) won't be productive.

>>738780850
Yeah, but emails!

>>738780493
Na Clinton would have been worse probably

>>738779110

The citizens of the united states do not directly elect the president of the united states.

Advertising revenue is the only thing that exists in this matter.

The world is a stage and the average human believes everything force fed to them

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>>738779110

the real deal is not the so-called Russian Connection, but (((them))) puppeteers

>>738782207
you must be woke af then

please lead me im just a humble sheeple

>>738781621
It blows my mind how no one can give a proper answer

>>738781638
In what way is it bad for the US if Russia is exposing bad things that one of the candidates have been doing?
How is it preferable to be unaware of this info?

>>738782207
>money decides who wins the election
I bet Donald Trump thanked the gods for receiving money then. It wasn't as if he had any of that

>>738779110
remove trump from the equation.

Reading the news tomorrow, you read the headline.

>OBAMA '08 GIVEN SECRET AID BY CHINA VS McCAIN.

you read on, that the Chinese government handed funding, intelligence, or other material to Obama, to help beat John McCain. the paper analyses the fact chinese government officials beleived that 4 years of Obama's government would be more advantageous for Chinese interests, in trade treaties like the Trans-Pacific, in ensuring export dues, and, because McCain would be considered harder to negotiate with to meet Chinese goals, and Palin was too unreliable for Chinese intelligence to manipulate.

In other words, China wanted to tip the election for their profit and gain.

How would you feel?

>>738779110
I just love that the whole narrative from Trumpers used to be "There is no evidence, its all fake news" and now that there's evidence pointing towards corruption its "yeah, but it not illegal" I can't wait for more and more damning evidence to come out and Trumptards bend time and space to come up with some other explanation that makes them feel in the right "Yeah, but it was Obama"
"Yeah, but Russia's a great country"

>>738782416
>In what way is it bad for the US if Russia is exposing bad things that one of the candidates have been doing?
>How is it preferable to be unaware of this info?

Is it really that hard to understand? Just because another country shills for a candidate, doesn't make the shilling true and because that country is acting in their own interests and not ours.

>>738782416
Russia releasing the information is not what we're talking about.

What we're talking about is accepting aid of any kind from a foreign power. If Russia directly gave $10 million to a candidate, wouldn't that be bad? Is there a difference if it's cash vs services?

And in case you say "no that wouldn't be bad" then imagine if China wanted to install whoever the fuck they wanted -- simply pick someone, spend a few billion and boom, they control our executive branch.

>>738782505
I am removing trump from the equation. It's ridiculous to ban information coming from foreign countries

Look. If one country would do something like hacking the another country and affecting the amount of counted votes. I would get it

I just don't see why it's illegal to listen to reason if it would be coming from another country.
Just make sure if the info is correct or not

>>738782671
Are you incapable of investigating this alleged information then? Apparently the US is gonna turn everything inside out in either case

>>738782776
Yes there's a difference in cash and information. Question is just if it's legit information or not, and again, are you incapable of verifying information all of a sudden?

>>738779110
criminal conspiracy

>>738782505

Those fatass conservacucks would lose their fucking minds.

>>738782247
this man understands the truth
the game changes but the players remain

>>738783074
>Are you incapable of investigating this alleged information then?
The general public stupid, so from their point of view no.

>If one country would do something like hacking the another country and affecting the amount of counted votes. I would get it
funny how this is one of things that allegedly happened and you still don't get it

>>738783441
Yeah but I didn't ask why it's illegal for russia to hack the US election. I asked why it's a big deal that Trump received information

>>738783074
>It's ridiculous to ban information coming from foreign countries

the thing you seem to be missing is that the "information" was targeted. it was tailored specifically to undermine one candidate, in preference of another.

Do you think that putin and co, sitting in the kremlin, suddenly paused and said "Dimitri! That nice Mr trump is far better for the poor working Americans. We should help them by releasing that intelligence our agents have gathered. Da! It will be good for them to be happier."

And not, that they looked at it, and said "this information will help them elect the candidate who will give us an advantage in negotiation and trade for the next few years."

If the genuinely wanted information released, it could've been done so by news agencies, like TASS, in moscow. Not by clandestine deals to a candidate's son, so that their campaign was given improved chances.

>>738783074
I appreciate that you APPEAR to be approaching this from a neutral standpoint, but information is just as bad. example: nuclear launch codes.

and AGAIN IT'S NOT ABOUT THE FUCKING DIRT. IT'S ABOUT THE PRINCIPLE OF ACCEPTING ANY FUCKING AID FROM A FUCKING FOREIGN COUNTRY. EVEN IF IT'S A SINGLE TV AD. EVEN IF IT'S A FUCKING HANDJOB. IF YOU ACCEPT THE AID, IT'S ILLEGAL AND BAD. EVEN IF IT'S INFORMATION. EVEN IF THE INFORMATION IS USELESS.

ACCEPTING.
ANY.
FOREIGN.
AID.
IS.
WRONG
ILLEGAL.
AND.
PROSECUTABLE.

>>738783441
It's basically impossible to hack the voting machines without having someone physically there to do it since they aren't connected to the internet.

>>738783590
Not to mention exploitable. This is why its important to disclose such meetings on paperwork to be allowed to view classified material.

>>738783538
But then you or anon said
>If one country would do something like hacking the another country and affecting the amount of counted votes. I would get it
so it brings it into the convo

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>>738783074
Its not just about listening to reason. Are you naive?
Of course if true, thatll be the tip of the iceberg

>>738779110
He was offered a meeting, went to it to see what he could find out, it didn't yield anything.

Naturally Trump should be impeached. It's the only logical conclusion.

>>738782776
A bit like the uranium scandal that's being utterly glossed over at best or outright ignored at worst?

Naturally Trump should be impeached. It's the only logical conclusion.

>>738779110
Russia should be our Ally not our enemy like the liberals are hoping. Trump avoided nuclear war and continues to do so by keeping good relations with Russia. If Clinton were president right now we'd be at war with Russia and our Nuclear threat would be through the roof.

>>738783885
Sauce on any of these claims?

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>>738783574
Of course they would be supplying information that would be beneficial to them. Does that automatically mean it's bad for the US?

>>738783590
>THE PRINCIPLE OF ACCEPTING ANY FUCKING AID
Yeah, retarded like I said

also, I like how you basicly answered my question of why it's illegal with "it's illegal and prosecutable"

>>738783644
And do you mean it's impossible to have someone physically there?

>>738783738
I was the one who brought it into the convo to give you some perspective.

>>738783885
This is kind of what I mean. Why is it so bad that Russia wants a president in the US that they can finally work together with?

>>738784120
>Does that automatically mean it's bad for the US?
No but Does that automatically mean it's good for the US?

>>738784027
What claims? It's common sense, the amount of "Red scare" in Clinton's campaign was enough to show that any seemingly hostile action from Russia would be grounds for War, for instance any event in the Middle East with Syria and ISIS, which Trump has fixed with his dealings. Putin wouldn't have even met with Hillary on a friendly basis, same thing with China and several other country leaders.

>>738784395
Yeah I would say it is. Shedding light on shit one of the candidates has done is at least better than not knowing about it at all
You're doing a fine job of tearing the other candidates asshole inside out on your own

>>738783882
lol I knew you'd bring that up. Nice attempt at misdirection but even still, that's a non fucking story. it wasn't Clinton that did shit, it was like 3 different fucking agencies. I knew you were allergic to reality.

>>738784120
I already told you in the first fucking reply why it's bad, I'm not going to repeat myself
>>738780427

>This is kind of what I mean. Why is it so bad that Russia wants a president in the US that they can finally work together with?

There's nothing wrong with a country wanting a leader amenable to its goals - there's everything wrong with a country covertly influencing another country to elect a Manchurian candidate for their goals and also everything wrong with any citizens of said country who collude to make this happen.

Please either re-examine your beliefs and start looking at things more objectively or give yourself a lobotomy with an ice pick.

>>738782650
>"Did Trump fuck up?" No its the obama adminstration that is wrong!"

>>738784451
Sauce on claims she'd bring us to nuclear war, sauce on claims she'd start war with Russia. Sauce on China Russia and other countries wouldn't met with a former secretary of state.

>>738784584
>there's everything wrong with a country covertly influencing another country to elect a Manchurian candidate for their goals and also everything wrong with any citizens of said country who collude to make this happen.

There is absolutely zero proof of this liberal conspiracy theory. But by all means continue to believe in this retarded idea till you're blue in face.

>>738784795
Oh, sorry I didn't realize you were too dumb to put simple logic dominoes into place. And you liberals say we are uneducated. Go back to school and learn simple politics friendo.

>>738784541
So any info, true or not, that another country says about one candidate automatically is good for the US? Cool story /b/ro

>>738784833
>can't recognize humorous hyperbole
so about that ice pick

>>738784120
>Why is it so bad that Russia wants a president in the US that they can finally work together with?

Are you honestly so naive to think that Russia only wants someone they "can finally work together with", rather than "someone they can get an advantage from?

My god.

The entire reason they wanted Trump is because the man is utterly inexperienced as a politician, his government has been in shambolic disarray - there are currently more than 1000 senior positions in government that have not been filled, because Trump's administration hasnt done nominations, as just one example.
Trump's government has disrupted the US, weakening its position. the US has been isolated in the global community - the G20, where all nations except the US stood together on a climate deal. for example.

in each action, Trump's inexperience, and his isolationist stances, have served to improve the Russian's position in global political circles.

The US' loss is Russia, China and Germany's gain.

That is why Trump was Russia's preferred choice. Not because "we can all get along".

>>738784982
Cool story /b/ro, I could say the same about little donnys obstruction of justice and Russia but you wouldn't listen

>>738785001
>Says something stupid
>Tries to lie and say it was Hyperbole

Nice try retard liberal.

>>738779110
because it makes that president the fucking puppet of a foreign power

"rotten"

she put up her own email server that got hacked

>>738785156
please continue to throw insults at me, you're making such great points I think about ready to come on over to your side.

>>738784584
>covertly influencing another country
Giving one candidate information is now influencing the entire country?

>elect a Manchurian
I'm gonna be honest with you here, I don't have a clue what you're trying to say with this. Yes I googled it, and I don't see what a region in Northeast Asia has to do with Trump

>>738785000
No I've said it over and over again, you're perfectly capable of verifying information before you listen to it

>>738785041
>it's bad because Trump does unrelated bad things to his own country!
Well last time I checked, you're still the ones who elected him. All the bad things he's doing to your country should be illegal
Simply getting information from a lawyer who happen to be from another country should not. Because you SHOULD be able to verify the information

>info gets exposed by an american
no problem
>same info gets exposed by a foreigner
reeeeee

>>738780493
You know it's ok to criticize Trump without comparing him to Hilary, right? It's ok to say both candidates were dogshit.

>>738785143
>I could say the same about

Are we at war with Russia. No. No you can't say the same. God you are stupid. Just quit already and go back to your pointless protests that make you feel like a special snowflake against something you understand very little about.

>>738780915
Obama
>Louisiana is in distress, ill golf
Hillary
>Im gonna keep Shilling
Trump
>Im gonna prrsonally hand out food, water and children supplies to aid them in their time of need
What was that anon? Kys please

>>738785340
>No I've said it over and over again, you're perfectly capable of verifying information before you listen to it
And I said this too, the general public is stupid and believes buzz feed, they believe vaccines are not safe and GMOs too. This is why it's dangerous to have other countries shilling in our elections

>>738785340
did you not hear about the massive misinformation campaign as well? basically, Russia helped spread and create misinformation on a never before seen scale, basically military psyops against a civilian population.

>Manchurian candidate
jesus, can't make a joke here huh.
a candidate running for office who publicly supports one group to win election, but uses his executive or legislative powers to assist an opposing group; it should not be confused with a sleeper agent who has been brainwashed into working for a political party

Basically, publicly supporting the republican party and the goals of the U.S. but when in office, assisting a foreign power. It was a joke. DJT is not competent enough to do anything of the sort.

>>738785678
As a Baton Rouge native I'm gonna go ahead and say Wrong

>>738785331
Implying you would ever be convinced of anything I had to say. You have this ideology, along with your liberal media friends that anything Trump does is evil and wrong and will continue to nitpick at this for the next four years no matter how much He proves you wrong.

>>738785743
>DJT is not competent enough
sez anon/b
buenas suerte en la vida holmes

>>738780915
yeah let's get someone that's married to the last president to get impeached, i'm sure she's not corrupt at all.

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>>738785468
Kek keep using insults instead of stayin on topic
Speaking of special snowflakes
>I miss my old life
>I thought this would be easier
>no politician in history has been more unfairly
treated

>>738785340
>>it's bad because Trump does unrelated bad things to his own country!

Yes.

The transfer of power from one party to the other, with an inexperience head of state and an entirely inexperienced staff, failing to appoint multiple government body positions, while simultaineously undermining the geopolitical standing of the nation-state compared to its peers is an advantage to the Russians.

-

Imagine its a relay race and you are in russia's shoes.

Because they've got a different set of rules, their runner doesnt need to change baton with another guy this lap. But the US, in the next lane do.

Would you rather that the US's went from one professional sprinter who's on top of his game, to another, that's been doing the same thing for years... or would you prefer that the handover were to a a rank amateur, who will make a ham-fisted change, possibly drop the baton, and wont be able to go as fast?

competing against which one is most likely to see you getting ahead in the race?

Well, that's what the race was. And the US decided to influence it, so people picked the rank amateur to run this race leg.

Boom. Advantage, Russia.

>>738785678
>Obama golfs too much
>donnys first four months in office

>>738779110
The problem is that the source cannot be assumed to be neutral or necessarily trustworthy. Russia is opposed to the US on several fronts and is also a competitor with many US businesses. Therefore, there is a reasonable suspicion that information from them is designed to undermine our ability to compete or confront them. Ideally, elections work from a presumption that all parties acting in them have the best interests of the country foremost. If you're getting help from a competitor/adversary, it's hard to believe that.

>>738780493
Weren't they interested in her at least partially because she led efforts to oppose their political/military agendas? I mean, she sucked but that's still true.

>>738785449
THIS

>>738785701
Refer to >>738785449

>>738785743
Finally I feel like I'm getting some legit explanations here, god damn. And no, I didn't come here for the jokes

But yeah, I get it, that's why the law exists.
But I just don't see Trump as either a brainwashed sleeper agent. And Trump junior receiving email from a russian lawyer doesn't really seem comparable to creating and spreading misinformation on a never before seen scale

And so far, how much has Trump done to knowingly assist russia? I don't hear anyone talking about that

>>738786106
That's a great analogy actually. But I mean, it was still you guys who did elect the ham-fisted guy

So, basicly it's illegal because US citizens are stupid?

>>738786106
Explain how Trump is the "amateur" in the race? He is a strong minded Business man who has a history of being tough with his opponents. His outside politics would be an advantage to not a handicap to our country. There is no way that other countries would view His Leadership to be weaker than Clinton's in any way or form. Nice analogy though, you tried, but failed.

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>>738782247
wow, you guys are so edgy
Obviously jews control everything. I mean, despite having a small minority of the total wealth and population of the planet, they fully run shit. Amazing. One could almost admire them if they weren't so unaccountably evil and also reptile-aliens.

>>738786456
I guess he's an amateur in the sense that hiring a plumber to be your electrician is a bad idea?
Also I'm OP, even I admit this.

Buuut again, US is still the people who chose to elect him

>>738785449
>>738786286
>Some scientist discovers GMOs are actually unsafe
No problems
>celebs say their unsafe
Reeeeee

>>738786648
the source of information doesn't automaticly indicate wether it's right or wrong. You'd be stupid to listen to either source if you're not gonna fact check it

Honestly I hate the absolute shit out of Trump but I must agree with op. They're focusing on the wrong thing. "They face them dirt on Hillary, how wrong!" Yes, it was slimy and illegal but wtf about Hillary's dirt?

Fuck them both tbqh.

>>738786431
>So, basicly it's illegal because US citizens are stupid?

no, because the two runners _might_ be the Olympic Champion, and the... Olympic 3rd place, or something.
but if the guy who is in 3rd place is the one who gets picked, that's still weaker than the other.

In Russia's equation, they manipulated the election, because they felt that a Trump government would give them more advantage, than a Clinton one which would've retained the vast majority of the government officials from Obama's last day in office.

whether the US' electorate are stupid as fuck or not isnt particularly relevant to the equation. Its simply that they nudged them more to vote for the one that Russia's intelligence expected to be easier to make gains with.

>>738786891
Thanks for keeping the thread alive while I was here m8

>>738786825
>>738786810
>>738786801
Why can't you do this to trap, wwyd and other cancer threads

>>738786598
Another mislabeled analogy isn't going to prove your point. Politics is a messy game, a better analogy electing Trump would be , like getting a professional chess player to learn checkers instead of having the same old checker team running the games. Also, don't care if you are op, your opinion is still misguided and wrong.

>>738785904
no, actually I don't. I would be convinced if you made compelling arguments, not if you call me a liberal retard and reduce me down to a "them" so you can feel safe with your "us".

my ideology is I support anything and anyone that can stand up to scrutiny, and Trump, his policies, his family, none of it stands up to scrutiny. Clinton was scrutinized and she didn't come out so clean either, but I didn't support her either.

I'm sorry you're not equipped with the mental capacity to see where you're making logical fallacies and supporting someone simply for the sake of tribalism, I really am. I would support the shit out of DJT if he was actually competent (and if he was a little less of a scumbag). #MAGA? Fuck yeah, there's a lot to improve about America. He said we'd have great healthcare, I'm all for that. He said he'd do his best to help the little people -- awesome!

But it's obvious that even though elected, he's only a caricature of a president. Like a kid who puts on his plastic badge and think's he's a policeman, DJT isn't just an outsider, but a fraud. He's kept basically less than a half-dozen of his promises to the best of his ability, he's left countless positions in Government open, he's not advanced America's goals in any meaningful way that I can see, he's damaged our image internationally, and so on and so forth.

But no, I'm just a retard libcuck who can't get over how badly we lost the election, right?

Yeah. Exactly right. You got it, I'm surprised you saw through my complex facade.

>>738786286
yeah no the Manchurian candidate thing was a joke; it derailed the discussion.

and, for the third or fourth time, it's not about what Russia did. It's about COLLUDING with a FOREIGN POWER.

>how much has Trump done to knowingly assist russia?

Knowingly? no one knows but DJT and his associates I imagine. Intentionally/uninentionally? A lot; now the U.S. is preoccupied with this bullshit, slowing down advancement of our goals.

>>738786872
>implying the average person will and can understand it