>be me >support the fuck out of Bernie Sanders >start

Show us your Bernie merchandise with timestamp so we can know you aren't just trolling.

>>738290847
DO YOU THINK BERNIE WILL WIN IN 2020

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>>738290847
Do you have any other lies that we should know about like. "democratic socialism is different than regular socialism"?

>>738291090
do you think bernie will be alive in 2020

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>>738291090
>DO YOU THINK BERNIE WILL WIN IN 2020
DO YOU THINK BERNIE WILL BE ALIVE IN 2020

ftfy

>>738291087
This.

>>738291090
No I do not think he will win. In fact im not even sure if I would vote for him again. Age was a factor this election and it will be even more of a factor this election.

>>738291090
MATCH ME XDDD

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>>738290847
get fucked commie and fuck your blog post

>>738290847
Why do you think we care about one more socialist loser?

>>738290847
That's ok, I liked Rand Paul. We can both be sad about the fact that the parties decided to vote for the worst.

>>738291170
Not everything is black and white bud. There are more options than pure hard communism/socialsism and unregulated capitalism. Democratic socialism is capitalism, except we move towards a utalitarian society where everyone gets to live, get education, and gets to have enough food to feed their children.

>>738291241
>>738291258
YEP PRETTY MUCH

>>738290847
I think you're preaching to the choir anon.

>>738291772
That's like saying we care about retards when they walk down the street while shitting themselves because we look in their direction. Don't confuse curiosity with giving a fuck.

>>738291533
You cared enough to reply to my thread.

>>738291947
Never asked you to give a fuck or care, just said I was willing to answer questions or whatever. If you truly do not care, then do not reply

>>738292067
Of course you didn't ask us to care. But you literally said that I care enough to post. I corrected you. This isn't complicated, but I'd expect a Bernie supporter to get lost and need help right about now.

At least you're not special.

>>738291381
doesnt that mean you only expected to have him for one term?

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>>738291711
>except we move towards a utalitarian society where everyone gets to live, get education, and gets to have enough food to feed their children
And exactly how does that work? Where does the money come from for all of this "equality"?

>>738292288
Yeah I always thought that it was very possible. But I thought that he could last atleast one term.

>>738292536
would that have been enough time to implement his ideas and really change things?

>>738291170
I swear to god, Conservatives are incapable of critical thinking.

>>738292481
It comes from the same place that our military funds come from.

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>>738290847
I heard a lot of his ideas but to be honest I lost interest because they seemed virtually impossible to pull off. As a supporter of his (and I assume you're well versed), how did he plan to pay for all of his policies? And how did he think he could get them made into law?

Genuinely asking, this isn't the usual 4chan sarcastic asshole comment.

>>738292689
No, it probobly would not have been. He mightve gotten some of it, but not all of it. So what do we have? An honest president who cares for the people of the united states for 4 years.

>>738292481
>Because there was a semi-fictional story about a bad guy who wanted to raise taxes once all people who want to raise taxes are evil

>And exactly how does that work? Where does the money come from for all of this "equality"?
Rich people, faggot.

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>>738292761
>the same place that our military funds come from.
This is how I know you're new to politics.

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>>738292893
>Rich people
That's not fair to the rich people though.

>>738290847
why do you like socialism? retarded or something?

>>738292850
Sorry anon I dont have any. The one time he was in my hometown for a rally I was on vacation.

>>738292880
no i get it. better of two evils and best you could hope for given the circumstances.

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>>738290847
same story here, ik that feel bro.

>>738293040
I don't recall ever liking socialism? Democratic socialism and regular socialism are very different.

>>738293057
You don't need to be at a rally to get merchandise, you can order it online and if you "supported the fuck out of him" you would have done so.

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>>738293272
>Democratic socialism and regular socialism are very different.
Why? Because Bernie said so?

>>738293017
That's fucking retarded. As a society we have to share the burden in order to make our society better. If rich people pay a higher tax rate but still can afford to live a life of luxury compared to the rest of us, they aren't being punished. ALL our society benefits.

Historically, taxes on the rich have been MUCH higher. It's only been since the Reagan administration that we've had such ridiculously low taxes on the wealth. In the biggest period on American economic development, taxes on the rich were insanely high. On the other hand, during the lead up to the great depression, taxes on the rich were very low. I'm not even advocating a return to the pre-Reagan tax era. But they're way too low now.

>>738290847

bernie is a troll though. kinda like a reverse troll?

troll in a way that he knows there's a bunch of liberal hippies out there that will support his "death to capitalism" political view.

all im saying is that he's a whore.

>>738293017
All rich people got rich by stealing and lying and exploiting others.

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>>738292893
>Where does the money come from for all of this "equality"?
>Rich people, faggot.
>Democratic socialism is different than regular socialism

>>738291170
Jesus chris, conservatieves are idiots.

>>738290847
Yeah I wasn't going to vote at all.
Then i heard Clinton was up for the job.
I didn't vote for anybody.
I voted against Hillary.
That's why Trumph got my vote.

>>738293407
Just because literally every time socialism has been tried it has led to mass human suffering, poverty, murder, and oppression doesn't mean that'll happen this time.

>>738293537
>>738293407
I never fucking said it was different, myself. I'm a hard left socialist economically speaking. I'd even go so far as to call myself a Communist if that didn't imply a bunch of other shit that has nothing to do with economics.

>>738290847
I didn't want either of them elected. They are both unfit or the office. Fuck it. Don't even have an office, everyone dictates themselves.

>>738290847
How do you support a guy who claims to be for the people but owns several homes?

>>738293406
You're right. To be honest I just never got around to buying those things. I spread his message other ways. Your concerns are valid though. But, believe me or not, there is real conversation happening.

Unfortuantely OP Americans are too stupid to vote for someone who actually cares about them. They'd rather just believe everything the DNC, RNC, Fox, CNN, etc tells them.

We got a government representative of the people. Selfish, shortsighted, sectarian, and dysfunctional. Trump is a perfect representative.

>>738293633
Oh yeah, all of Europe is such a mass of total suffering, crime, and poverty.

>>738293676
Are you a Trump supporter then? If so, how do you?

>>738293725
Europe isn't socialist.

>>738293769
No.

I think they are all a bunch of lying fucks that take turns blaming each other while they fuck the American public and live lavish lifestyles

>>738293446
>As a society we have to share the burden
No we fucking don't. I've worked about 8 different jobs in my life, each time for more money and consequentially, more work and make really good money. Why the fuck should I have to shoulder the burden for anyone else? I think you people have been confusing the phrase "democratic socialism" with "fair".

>>738290847
enjoy getting fucked by republicunts and losing healthcare dipshit

>>738293725
>Oh yeah, all of Europe is such a mass of total suffering, crime, and poverty.
No one fucking cares about europe. This is a thread about american politics.

>>738293684
Did you even donate? If you did show us proof of that.

>>738293898
And I have nobody to blame other than Hillary.

>>738293454

He isn't 'death to capitalism'. He wants us to have the social programs LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE OTHER 1ST WORLD COUNTRY HAS EXCEPT US.

But if the repubs and dems say socialism the mouth frothing begins and logic goes out the window.

>>738293799
>Europe isn't socialist.

Except yes it is. All of Europe has higher taxes than the US, not just on the wealthy but on everyone, more social programs, socialized medicine, a lot of them have socialized higher education, and so on.

I mean...are you straight up retarded? Or do you just have no idea what the fuck you are talking about?

>>738293990
>LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE OTHER 1ST WORLD COUNTRY
So which country in Europe has the same population, same unemployed, same on welfare, and same illegal immigrants that can be fairly compared to the US?

>>738293964
>>738293725
>>738293633

Oh yeah, okay, so when he said literally every time socialism has been tried, etc., he was talking about all the times we did it in America. Got it.

>>738294008

Except no its not. They have robust social programs, which is a lot different than being socialist.

>>738290847
YOU GOT PLAYED NIGGA
THE DEMOCRAT PARTY DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU
THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT YOUR VOTE

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>>738294078
>Oh yeah, okay, so when he said literally every time socialism has been tried, etc., he was talking about all the times we did it in America. Got it.
This is why people like you shouldn't be allowed to vote or reproduce.

>>738293407
Sauce on any of the statements in that pic please

>>738294008
You objectively do not understand what socialism is.

>>738294134
Strong rebuttal.

>>738293676
Last time I checked you can own multiple homes and still care for the American people. Just because he doesnt donate all of his money to others doesnt mean he doesnt care. Infact his own policies will raise taxes on himself.

>>738294072
More people in country = more people paying into system, most EU countries have higher unemployment than the US, and last I checked there's a huge refugee crisis going on there.

But keep believing it won't work here like your authority figures tell you so they can waste your tax dollars on the military industrial complex and industry bailouts instead of for things that benefit you.

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>>738290847
>>738290847
>>738290847

SHE DESERVED TO WIN YOU MISOGYNISTIC PIECE OF SHIT

>>738294160
How don't I? Higher taxes, more social programs.

>>738294101
How is it different?

>>738294191
>Just because he doesnt donate all of his money to others doesnt mean he doesnt care.

He seems to demand it of others. Convenient.

The country where it is statistically easiest and most likely to become rich (defined at 5 million dollars net worth) is Norway. A country which is democratic socialist, and pretty much nails all country rankings.

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>>738290847
how does it feel to be a socialist? are you planning on moving to Venezuela? i hear it's a workers paradise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SeVv277d0I&feature=youtu.be&t=71

>>738294232

> how is it different

Because economically they are still very much capitalist. They just have good social programs to go along with it.

>>738294238
No, he does not. He asks for a small portion to help others out. They are social programs. Just like how we pay for public schools, roads, and police departments.

>>738290847
>faggots that allowed Hillary to be democratic nominee
The DNC cheated and put their thumb on the scale for Hillary and they continue to screw over progressives. Get out and vote for actual progressives who primary the corporate Democrats in 2018. The party may be a lost cause at this point. We really need to draft Bernie; we need a new actual progressive party.

>>738294350
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A9UmdY0E8hU

Yup.

>>738294186
You were literally making the point of the guy you quoted. It's failed everywhere it's been tried, but you are the type of retard that thinks it will work this time for sure.
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over each time expecting a different result.
Better?

>>738294432
>small portion

lol

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>>738294226
>like your authority figures tell you
Spotted the 18 year old angry political genius

>>738294432
It's currently at 40% and he wanted more. How's that a small portion?

>>738293990

bernie is a fraud. all he does is talk about things that he knows hippie liberals will eat up.

he's just a scamming old fart.

>>738294542

Your Dunning Kreuger syndrome is kicking in anon. It's okay. We know you'll never understand how misguided you are.

"Democratic" socialism explained...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XgdtHewGR0

>>738294459
The point you linked to was me replying to a guy saying this is a thread about American politics and he didn't give a fuck about Europe, which in turn was in response to me responding to a guy saying socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried.

Please explain how me explaining that socialism has never been DONE in America so his response made no sense, equals doing the same thing over and over again.

>>738294365
There are bad examples of socialism and bad examples of capitalism. Capitalism is not perfect just like socialism is not perfect.

>>738294603

Yea its not like he has 25 years of congressional voting record backing him up.

Oh wait, he does.

>>738291170
you do realize that military you love so much as socialists right
the entire concept of our modern military works off a socialist principle a capitalist military has a name they are called Mercenaries we do not use mercenaries we use a national military AKA a socialist military makes you think doesn't it

>>738293889
>I've benefited from society, but now that I've "got mine" everyone else can fuck right off.

>>738293970
are you retarded? If you didn't vote for Hillary, you have nobody to blame other than yourself, you miserable idiot

Hope republicunts don't let me down and the Senate manage to pass this bill, I wanna see those 200K americunts die because of it, hope they are all trump supporters or they just didn't vote hillary

>>738290847
I'm a Bernie man too. I voted for him, I donated to his campaign (inb4 no refunds - that's what a donation is), I phone banned for him, and I was a delegate for him at my state caucus. I also despise Hillary Clinton. But she was absolutely 100% the lesser evil compared to Trump, man. I voted for her even though it made me feel dirty because it was the right thing to do.

>>738290847
>realize bernout is a lying greedy kike
>bernout goes to prison
>MAGA

>>738294719

I'm not about lesser evils anon, thats how we ended up here

>>738294634
Guy, the point flew over your head a while ago. Go back and read each post again slowly, not forgetting to add the implied sarcasm at opportune times.

>>738294568
If you have a 40% tax rate and you earn 50 million a year, I'd still say you're rich even if it becomes 20 million instead. It should be higher.

>>738294708
My vote didn't matter. What matters is that Hillary failed to capture the working voters in the rust belt, which lost her the election. Hillary has no one else to blame besides herself for her loss.

>>738290847
if you still support the top cuck bernie sanders youre a fucking moron and need to be gassed. guy pays 13% tax and calls for rich to "pay their fair share", owns 3-4 houses or some shit and his wife is being investigated for major fraud. seriously, FUCK BERNIE SANDERS. hes a fucking loser.

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>>738294627
>Crowder
seriously faggot?

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for all of you who hate democratic socialism just remember public school the police and the military are all socialist constructs

>>738294871

its like people dont understand that 60% of millions is still millions

>>738294835
On the contrary, I think it is you who is missing sarcasm.

>>738294871
Then be honest and say that. Don't pretend it's a "small portion" when you're getting damn near half.

>>738294897
He's done a lot more with his life than you have or will, neckbeard. Also you don't know what you're talking about.

>>738294719
I couldnt vote this year. I actually just turned 18. So I didn't have to make that tough decision. Instead I just got to watch as she got what she deserved.

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>>738294963
THIS

>>738293460
Not sure if you're really this retarded or just trolling.

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>>738290847
2 scoops, 2 terms, 2 genders

>>738295115
You're right, most of them were just born into money.

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>>738294687
>I've benefited from society
Wrong, wrong wrong. Holy fuck. How can you misconstrue what I said as benefiting from society? I did the hard work. I quit jobs and started over multiple times. I never took a handout and I busted my balls to get where I am. Now you come along and say "yeah, that's not fair. You have more than me so it's only fair you give me some even though I don't fucking deserve it".

>but now that I've "got mine" everyone else can fuck right off.
but now that I've "got mine" everyone else can go out and work to get their own too.

FTFY socialist

>>738295062
The problem is that the American people got what she deserved. It wasn't just about her. But yes, it was a hard decision. I don't regret it though. I've been voting since 2000 and I've voted third party more than once but the republicans this year were just over the fucking top...

>>738294988
I can agree with you on this. But Bernie's whole thing was that the rich would pay higher taxes because they'd still be rich afterwards. Idk where the small portion thing came from but the rationale makes sense: higher taxes on higher wealth.

>>738295187
show feet

>>738294887
it's not Hillary's fault if voters are retarded, she will still live a good life even if she's not president.

you know who will not? The rust belt
republicunts will cut social security after Medicaid, something Hillary would have never done.

Enjoy getting raped without lube

>>738295149
Why does everything cost money?

>>738295187
do you make more than 250,000 a year? if not we're not even TALKING about you.

PS, it's so easy to go out and "bust your balls" and make it to the top, but--I bet you're not black. I bet you're not a woman.

>>738295197
I understand, we all lose. Kinda sucks. Hillary losing is just my positive spin on things, though

>>738295337
People will probably meme all over you for bringing up white male privilege here but that doesn't make you wrong.

>>738290847
I did not care which fucking corporate owned idiot won. They both lie, they both manipulate the system, they both use propaganda (electronic), they do the exact same thing and only care about giving a kick back to those that got them elected and helping their friends out. Neither of them care about the American people. Anyone who states otherwise is a brand loyalty blind faggot and should be shot.

>>738295405
...Denmark

you fucking buffoon

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>>738295436
>white male privilege

>>738295219
I get that, but I also can see where people are coming from when they say they don't think it's fair to be losing half or more of their income.

>>738295354
Well be sure to stay informed and vote locally bro. We have to start fixing shit somewhere.

>>738295261
I dont think the rust belt voters are retarded. They voted for the only candidate that had a rally in their states. Trump was also the only candidate to talk about how he would bring back jobs to the rust belt and keep them there. Hillary didn't even give lip service.

>>738295405
Sanders is a democratic socialist, i.e. the European model. What is your point?

>>738295185
Let's assume that's true. Why should they be taxed at a higher rate, then?

>>738295187
The extremity of taxes increases as you'd get wealthier under the system he wanted to implement. Unless you earn over 400k a year (which I don't expect you do, I might be wrong) your tax rate would be the exact same. I looked it up.

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>>738295499

>>738295197

I'm not voting for a party that lies and cheats to my face because by voting for them I'm saying I'm okay with that.

I'm also not voting for a party of science deniers, religious zealots, and completely socially backwards idiots.

And BOTH parties have huge issues catering towards corporate greed and self gain over doing what's best for the American people.

So what then? I'm not supporting either of the main parties until one gets it's shit together. And I would suggest everyone else do the same but people only hear what they want to hear and the media has done too good of a job brainwashing people into believing that there are only two camps in the entire country and they have to be one or the other and against everyone else.

>>738295537
Are you implying that life is NOT easier when you're white and male? I'm a white dude and I've benefited my whole life. I'm not one of those "fuck white people" assholes by any means but I do acknowledge my advantage.

>>738295591
What the fuck?

>how does income tax work

>>738291567
Truth. A voice in the desert.

>>738295547
You're right. We need to start electing good and honest people locally.

>>738295337
>do you make more than 250,000 a year? if not we're not even TALKING about you.
What happens when all of those people move their companies and money offshore? I'm next to tax.
>it's so easy to go out and "bust your balls" and make it to the top
It's not, but you knew this from my post but I bet you're going to bring up------>
>I bet you're not black.
But the last president of the US was.
>I bet you're not a woman.
Show me proof anywhere that there is gender pay inequality with proof. I'll wait

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lol

>>738295685
>Why should they be taxed at a higher rate?
>higher rate
>rate
I didn't ask why they should pay more in taxes. Please review your understanding of the word rate.

>>738295591
Cause they're the same as everyone else. If they were born into $5,000 instead of $5,000,000, they'd be taxed the same as anyone else under the poverty line.

>>738295661
The best thing to do is to take over the Democratic Party IMO. Better people making decisions is exactly how a party gets its shit together. Progressives basically need to do what the Tea Party did to the Republican Party.

>>738295783
Yep that's me

>>738295479

I like you.

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>>738295671
>I'm a white dude and I've benefited my whole life
How? This should be funny.

>>738295187
>I've never benefited from society fuck fucking moron, I'm totally an island unto myself.
Cool story. I wonder which jobs you were able to get without attending K-12. Or how you even get there without crossing a single road.

>>738295591
was not in this conversation before but I'm in now
so if a rich person dies and just has a bunch of money lying around that's the perfect time to tax them when they're dead a dead man will never miss his money

>>738295565
of course they are retarded

what kind of idiot can believe a con man who speaks like 3rd grader like trump?
what kind of retard can believe that he has the magic power to bring back jobs, when the key for the future is creating new jobs, not trying to bring back lost jobs.
Yay, 50K non profitable coal jobs are staying for a while (coal is getting less and less profitable and more and more mechanized)... too bad over 200K new jobs in renewable energy are not coming anymore because of you pulled out of the Paris agreement, and again, trump and his administration covered that with lies over lies.
Of course the rust belt is retarded, they couldn't even pick the lesser evil.
Now it's just fair that they get fucked and even more miserable, that's what they asked for

>>738295905
Never mind, anon. Keep on memeing.

>>738295671
you stupid nigger, i'm white and scaping by on welfare how am i benfiting from anything?

>>738295920
I think you should read a dictionary and see the differences in some of the big words you use.

>>738295981
>Never mind, anon.
Exactly.

>>738295847

The democratic party is resisting it and will not allow it to happen. They've learned nothing from 2016 and their current court case over the primary proves it.

Did you watch footage of the Nevada caucus because that's what we are dealing with. They own the rules. They said themselves they owe it to no one to have a fair primary.

>>738295807
>one half-white guy was president so racism doesn't exist

Also, I don't believe in the gender pay gap either, what I am talking about is it being harder for women and racial minorities to get to the positions where they make more money in the first place.

>>738295823
Alright, I can see I'm going to have to break it down for you.

Why should they be taxed at a higher rate? They shouldn't. They aren't. Income taxes are paid per year by the amount you made that year. If you're born into money and don't have to work or earn a regular income, you aren't paying taxes to begin with. Unless you pay property tax which has always been based on how expensive the property is.

>>738295807
1. Tariffs for sending jobs overseas
2. ?
3. ?
4. "The consensus of the economic studies is that there is still about 3 to 5 percentage points of the 20 percent, or roughly 15 to 25% of the gap, that cannot be accounted for by economic differences and that might well be due to discrimination."

https://fee(.)org/articles/truth-and-myth-on-the-gender-pay-gap/

>>738296030
>t. I have no argument

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>>738290847
What did he do with all the money you sent him?

>>738295807
1. Tariffs for sending jobs overseas
2. ?
3. ?
4. "The consensus of the economic studies is that there is still about 3 to 5 percentage points of the 20 percent, or roughly 15 to 25% of the gap, that cannot be accounted for by economic differences and that might well be due to discrimination."

fee(.)org(/)articles(/)truth-and-myth-on-the-gender-pay-gap

>>738295828
>the same as everyone else
You're making my point. There should be a flat tax. You don't tax them at a higher rate.

>>738295938
That money was already taxed as income. The fact that it's sitting around in some trust fund for the grandkids means it wasn't earned by someone's labor a second time, so why tax it a second time?

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>Liberals make it a point to show there are more white people on welfare than blacks
>But there is white privilege
Pick one you fucking retards

>>738296064
Yeah it's a lot we're up against and it's depressing to think about but I fully believe that making a third party relevant would be even harder. What do you think is the way to go?

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>>738295576
ooooooh he's a "DEMOCRATIC" socialist..... I see.

is that like some kind of special kind of European socialism???

are you implying that south american socialist dictators don't hold elections...?

>>738296016
I don't think the guy said everybody whose white has an easy life what he's expressing is that by the default of being white in a nation that favors white gives you benefits that if you were black in the same situation you would not have such as if the police was pointing a gun at you and you happen to be a advocate of your 2nd Amendment rights and you express to the cop that you had a gun and you were license to carry if you were black you would be shot if you were white they would just take your gun

>>738295815
Boy this image is the equivalent to a scarecrow

>>738295973
And why should they vote for some one that takes millions from the corporations that screw them over, that supported trade deals that shipped their jobs away, etc. for them it seemed trump was the lesser of two evils. I don't agree with them, I just can see their point of view.

>>738296153
>and that might well be due to
In other words, we don't have proof.

>>738293544
They're not even conservatives. They're like all those Catholics who cross themselves and genuflect but can't tell you why they do it.

>>738296151
He started a revolution

>>738295973
>what kind of idiot can believe a con man who speaks like 3rd grader like trump?

>>738294372
And that is exactly the kind of thing Bernie was proposing.......

>>738296076
You started of arguing that all rich people become rich by lying and stealing so it's okay to tax the shit out of them to level the playing field, then you say they should be taxed the same as anyone else. Which one is it?

>>738296153
Shit I posted it twice. Sorry.

>>738296168
>Flat tax
Learn even a little about economics and then come back to this thread

>>738290847
PROTIP: Bernie was a sellout cuck

also as a recent college grad who managed to avoid devastating debt why the fuck would I vote for a guy that devalues my degree?

>>738296382
I wasn't the guy that said that first thing, idiot.

>>738295149
He's going for two birthdays now that he found out Queen Elizabeth has two every year.

>>738296168
the first reason is that the government has another source of income more taxes more government income more government income or government projects such as the police infrastructure military health services Emergency Services and Etc

the second would be that the recipients of that money did not earn that money they should be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps they're entitled to nothing but their god-given rights

>>738296278
>And why should they vote for some one that takes millions from the corporations that screw them over, that supported trade deals that shipped their jobs away, etc. for them it seemed trump was the lesser of two evils. I don't agree with them, I just can see their point of view.

but they just did, that's what republicunts do, that's their trademark dude.
Not saying Hillary would have been different from that point of view, but they still fuckin voted republicunts, so it looks like not only they don't care about all of those things, they also don't care about several trillion of wealth (Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security) going to millionaires as tax cuts and them losing those benefits

I honestly don't know how anyone can support Bernie after he capitulated to Hillary over just about everything.

He rolled over in Colorado, he didn't speak one peep about the bullshit super delegate situation, had the nerve to milk broke college students for money for his retarded "our revolution" after he bent over at the DNC.

The guy doesn't have a fucking spine, and yet we're supposed to believe that he would do something about the banks and the bloated military budget. Much less the zero-sum game of our geopolitics.

There really aren't any good options left. No wonder why everyone is getting into all of these fringe belief systems.

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>>738296153
"the 23-cent gender pay gap is simply the difference between the average earnings of all men and women working full-time. It does not account for differences in occupations, positions, education, job tenure or hours worked per week. When such relevant factors are considered, the wage gap narrows to the point of vanishing."

http://time.com/3222543/wage-pay-gap-myth-feminism/

These fucking myths need to fucking die already.

>>738296279
I quoted it. It just states there is in fact a gap after accounting for education, jobs, location, etc.

>>738296447
The arguments being presented here are that:
>muh welfare queens are gaming the system, robbing us of our taxes
>muh rich people are stealing from the hardworking average man and evading taxes
So the solution to these things is to adjust taxes? How about fixing those problems at their sources?

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>>738296228
you are legit retarded and i know what you're reffering too and it was the drivers fualt as he didn't mention the gun until after the cop told him to get his license and the cop told him not to reach but the faggot reached anyway and rightfully got his ass shot up in the name of protocal, which is way you follow what the officer says, any person with common sense knows this and america doesn't prefer whites that's just the makority race with black people being 13% of the population and committing a dispreportionet amount of crime abd same race shootings.

>>738296334
stop being a retard. Trump is 70 years old, and is the president of the US, the person you quoted made a typo on an anonymous image board. Both should learn how to speak/spell properly, and neither should ever be president of anything. Get it through your fucking head.

>>738296625
see
>>738296594

>>738296327
How's that been going? Any progress?

>>738290847
Hey that's my story faggots!

Voted Sanders as write in. Prayed for giant meteor. Vote didn't count, but don't give fucks because didn't vote for Clinton or Trump.

Now get to watch the republicans destroy this country, so feel like my prayers have been answered. Muhuhahaha!

>>738296573
When the fight was against Trump it ended up appearing to be a better deal to not complain than complain and risk losing more votes for Hillary.

Obviously that didn't work

>>738296219

To give up because most people are too stupid to form new opinions, let alone their own. You think they'll let go of the party propaganda long enough to consider they might be wrong?

A third party that started doing well would get beset by both sides of the media. How do you fight that? They convinced 3/4 of Americans that Bernie is a modern wannabe Stalin hence half the commentary in this thread, even though with 15 minutes of independent research and looking at his voting record could tell you he's been a champion of the people since day fucking 1.

It's like when Trump said he could shoot someone in broad daylight and he'd still get the same support. He knows what game he's playing.

At the end of the day it's not that people won't see reason, it's that they DON'T WANT TO. Because then they'd have to admit that they're wrong. And how could an armchair politician with no geopolitical knowledge whatsoever ever be wrong about anything?

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>>738296650
>america doesn't prefer whites
People actually believe this.

>>738296486
No one can devalue your college degree more than your college has. Seriously, the educational system in the US is beyond hope.

>>738296371

But then the media says hes a socialist and you get rabble rabble rabble

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>>738296327
>He started a revolution
topkek just wait until you all grow up and some retard like bernie wants to take your money

>>738296650
All I wanna do is play BioShock with that font used at the top.

>>738296650
your statement here tells me a lot of things it tells me you're not here to use critical thinking and expand your views
if you do wish to engage in some constructive conversation I would be more than willing but you would also have to be willing to accept views outside of your preconceived notions

>>738296594
Read what I linked. When you account for everything you just said it becomes *3 to 5 cents* instead

>>738296748
Not much actually. Its sad but I wont deny the truth. You can only do so much to wake up the public

>>738296334
I'm drunk and I made a typo, bite me, I'm not president

>>738296634
I never said people on welfare don't deserve it. That's a republican thing.

>>738296893
>3 to 5 cents
So there is no gender pay gap.

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>>738296634
It's amazing that the people who scream about how poor people are cheating the system fail to see that they themselves are supporting lavish multinationals.

>>738296877
All I ever wanted was a Rolly Rolly
Cooler than a snow man with the ice all on me

>>738296534
If a person is born into wealth and goes his entire life without warning a penny, every dollar spent becomes income for every business he spent it on. That money is taxed again and continues to pay for government goods and services. So while I understand that it's frustrating that a person can live off of inherited wealth, it's not being taxed any more or any less than anyone else simply because it was inherited.

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>>738296893
>Read what I linked.
I did. It's the first link on the google search.

>>738296963
No, that gap *is* 3 to 5 cents. No gap is one to zero cents. Even that tiny percentage accounts for thousands of dollars of difference between incomes.

>>738296831

Live in a black dominated city and see how poor and middle class whites are treated. I deal with racism every day.

It's like people can be racist against whites too. Go figure. I'm getting really tired of being told I can't experience racism while experiencing racism.

>>738296954
I know. I'm arguing against both sides here. Not saying that was your argument specifically.
The point is that welfare isn't a bad idea simply because it gets gamed. We need to plug that leak and poor people should still be taxed. Likewise, the rich should be taxed at the same rate and their tax evasion loopholes should be fixed.

>>738297012
Get out with your trickle-down crap. It's been proven not to work. Reaganomics don't work.

>>738296016
You're apparently really lazy and/or a complete retard.

>>738297095
So the argument everywhere is 20-25 cents difference until you factor in all the variables. Then it's 3 to 5 cents. Why isn't all the arguments online about 3-5cents? Because most people wouldn't give a shit. It's scarier and more evil when the numbers look bigger.

Wait there are people on 4chan that actually believe in white privilege? Never knew

>>738297161
But the point is the loss of wealth for someone poor at 20% tax is much worse than someone rich at 20%. You can tax a billionaire 95% and he'd still have 50 million dollars. Tax someone under the poverty line that, less than a thousand.

>>738297100
I grew up in Birmingham, Alabama so I know what you mean and I agree that there's racism against whites but interpersonal racism is different from institutional racism.

>>738297195
Explain to me how the scenario I just highlighted is flawed. It's not the same as trickle-down economics.

>>738297082
Does that make it less valid? The website is a reliable source.

>>738297195
>Reaganomics don't work.
Oh but it did.

http://www.aei.org/publication/after-30-years-the-new-york-times-admits-reaganomics-worked/

>>738297335
Welfare should be the solution to that problem. If that system can be targeted at the people who actually need it, they can be taxed all the same and still live comfortable lives. It might mean the poverty line gets adjusted down at first.

>>738297468
The article cherrypicks one sentence out of what the entire NYT graph was meant to convey.

>>738297393
I never said it wasn't a reliable source, I simply said a 3-5 cent gap is fucking nothing when you take into account the +/- margin of error. When you see "GENDER PAY GAP" of 20-25 cents, it's complete fabricated bullshit but it looks abad and stupid people believe it.

>>738296926
In the beginning it was invigorating to see Bernie sell hope better than Obama did, but as the election wore on it became clear that he was just playing coalition politics with Her Reptilian Majesty on the promise of a seat at her table … and now he's little more than the controlled opposition or the angel on the shoulder that everyone tells to keep quiet.

>>738297012
I would agree with you if that wealth was being constantly circulated but seeing as the richest people tend to pool money until they have absurd amounts it shows that that money is not being spent on fostering new and widespread business
if we had regulations in place to force people to spend money that would be a way but then forcing people to spend money on something they won't want would seem wrong so instead we tax them and since they are very well off if we tax them at a higher rate they are still in a position of sufficient wealth
I know it may seem unfair at times to tag somebody at a higher rate just because they have more money but think about it what is money it's paper we give value to and that's all
on top of that the richest among us tend to receive every dollar they get tax back through social programs and security nets and because they are the most capable they often good first shot
one startling example of this is congress as you may know many senators and congressmen are vocally against Obamacare which is if you did not know the Affordable Care Act but at the same time as they are proponents against it many of them use Obamacare as their primary health care service
they often complain about being taxed for it but when it comes time to reap the benefits they are the first in line I would figure if they are truly opposed to this they would even protest the use of this health care system

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>>738296939

>>738297468

Yea that's why average income has stagnated while profits have increased by 100s of percent over themselves. Why hasn't income risen proportionally like it did before reganomics? Maybe because it *gasp* doesn t work?

The election was awhile ago, the trend of bitching about politics can stop now

>>738297332
Yeah, but they're supposed to be contained on /pol/.

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Mainstream news is designed to keep you from learning that we live in a bubble economy about to burst. Assets are continuously inflating, giving people a false sense of wealth. Government inflation measures such as CPI have been repeatedly changed to understate inflation. Federal Reserve interest rate controls are effectively broken and stuck at or near zero for many years now. Inevitably, the rest of the world will realize we have no choice but to default on our obligations.

Once other countries decide to stop using the US dollar as their reserve currency, it's game over. If the rest of the world stops buying our bonds, it's game over. If the US government stops printing money (the only thing propping up our fake economy), it's GAME OVER.

The government does not have a solution for this. The cumulative effect of economic stimulus is murder. A recession is needed to allow the economy to cure inefficiencies and return to equilibrium. We need the Federal Reserve to stop printing money and allow interest rates to naturally rise. Rising rates will discourage reckless borrowing and spending, and encourage savings and capital investments. There is a lot of short term pain down the road to curing the economy. Good luck getting votes for that...

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>>738297468
>Reaganomics works
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>738290847
>4 years

optimistic little retard. enjoy your 8 years of glorious emperor trump.

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The United States is drunk. Our liquor is debt. Debt is our #1 export. Soon, the rest of the world will begin to realize that we have no choice but to default on our massive national debt. Already, other countries are openly discussing plans to ditch the inflating US dollar as a reserve currency. Once this begins, it's GAME OVER.

Pouring the drunk another drink is not the solution. Massive amounts of deficit-financed spending does not "make" a strong economy. Continuous rounds of quantitative easing (money printing) by the Federal Reserve is causing massive asset inflation and does not "create" wealth. A rising stock and real estate market are the result of a large asset-inflation bubble, not any type of economic recovery as the government would have you believe.

The Federal Reserve interest rate control mechanism is effectively broken and the interest rate has been stuck at or near zero since 2009. Without printing money to do so, United States can hardly afford to pay the interest alone on the increasing national debt.

A real solution requires that we all endure a painful hangover. A recession is actually needed to allow the economy to cure itself of its inefficiencies and reallocate resources to productive sectors. The Federal Reserve must concede that it is impossible to prevent the coming recession indefinitely. Trying to to do so by continuously printing money is fatal to our economy, and our country.

Stop quantitative easing, stop asset inflation, and allow interest rates to rise. Higher interest rates will discourage borrowing and spending, and encourage personal savings. We must restart non-debt financed capital investment in this country - the true engine of a productive, sustainable economy.

“The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that. So there is zero probability of default.” -- Alan Greenspan

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jesus why would you support Bernie, you're a fucking disgusting human being

>>738294680
>what are private military companies?

>>738297717
Your argument is fair enough. I have a problem with taxing the rich fixing the wrong problem, though. The problem is that private businesses funnel way too much profit to their bigwigs. There's no reason Bill Gates or Steve Jobs should be billionaires for having a couple good ideas in the 80s. Fix the division of profit in private companies (which inherently intrudes on American freedoms) and your tax problem vanishes.

>>738298145
have you seen Blackwater USA

>>738290847
You pretty much sum up my exact outlook on this year's election.

>>738295671
I am a white dude. I have never benefited in any way from my male whiteness. Not once. If anything, it has been a detriment when looking for jobs or getting pulled over.

>>738296891
Look at the Philando Castile tape. The officer told him not to reach for the gun. Guess what the dumbass says?

"I'm gonna get my gun."

The officer tries to stop him, and he gets shot. It's literally Castile's fault.

>>738298073
Not OP here. That is WHY I support him.

>>738298225
Thats one out of many

>>738297337
Institutional racism doesn't exist in 2017 in the United States.

>>738298171
>There's no reason Bill Gates or Steve Jobs should be billionaires for having a couple good ideas in the 80s.
These two didn't even have good ideas, both cheated/stole their way to success.

>>738291529
Bernie killed Rosa he's no commie

>>738298310
He said he was reaching for his id

>>738298310
I see you have gone into a state of conversation suppression
I'm sorry I do wish to talk to you and maybe convince you of new ideas but at this point I am unable to and you are not even willing to address my previous statement our conversation ends here

>>738298368
Not when you just had a black president for 8 years.

>>738298395
Bill Gates
>bought the rights to CP/M
>rebranded as DOS
Steve Jobs
>gets idea to build shitty kit computers in garage
>Wozniak does all the hard work
>Wozniak wants no part in the business later on

I'm sorry, what did they cheat/steal?

>>738298145
a private military company is a civilian military organization similar to a militia except it does not defend
pmcs mostly operate in foreign countries and they do not abide by war regulations and rules they're often hired to perform acts that would be illegal in the face of any military tribunal

>>738293017
Do you think we're asking their fucking permission?

>>738298548
>implying he fixed it
He made things worse.

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>>738298686
>Do you think we're asking their fucking permission?
I like to see you try and take their money.

>>738298670
The original arguement was we didnt use them

>>738298496
>"if you don't think exactly the way I do then you're wrong"

Also I was just adding to the conversation. I wasn't even the original person you were debating with lmao.

>>738290847

This thread's OP smells of Borscht and idiocy.

WEB BRIGADE FAGGOT DETECTED.

>>738298948
we do Houston but the times we do use them they're often for illegal activities
but because of our current government structure we do not have to use them

>>738292481

This is literally retarded. Like, legitimately mentally deficient.

>>738298472
He didn't actually say he was reaching for his ID. It's just assumed he was.

I did misspeak because I said he said he was going to pull out his gun but he didn't. Castile just kept reaching when the officer was obviously concerned he was reaching for a gun, which is even more suspicious when he could possibly be the robbery suspect they were looking for.

It's still Castile's fault.

>>738299137
Lmao no I just don't like Hillary

>>738299146
So you admit your original post was wrong?

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>>738297921
It worked just fine for Messrs Goldman and Sachs.

>>738298496
Still not the guy you were debating with before, but I completely despise people like you. You act like you're up for open conversation and new ideas, but you just want that when you think you can convince others to think exactly like you.

It's just hypocritical and dishonest, and just makes you look like an asshole tbh

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>>738292481

Ahem.

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>>738299202
>This is literally retarded. Like, legitimately mentally deficient.
Thanks for pointing that out with your facts and sources.

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>>738292694
oh yeah, its totally the conservatives incapable of critical thinking

>>738295815

Wow that image is so fucking terrible. This is the "archetypal" straw man propaganda. 100% purile bullshit and cherrypicking to the point it's actually so absurd it's funny.

>>738299323
sorry for the misspellings I'm doing two things at once and I'm using a voice to text thing

and yes my first post was not 100% accurate I was merely trying to express the fact that in our modern-day Nation we do not publicly use private military services as our main form of Defense they are often used as a tertiary form of use or illegal activities

>>738299416
What is inherently evil or wrong about that wealth distribution?

>>738290847
100% same. I didn't like Bernie's policies much, but I liked his message (fuck the 1%, build up the middle class, stop corruption, the shit that original 4channers were all about). But after seeing Hillary cheat her way to nomination, I was fine with Trump. Put that piece of filth in her place, and pissed off all the hardcore lefties. I'm a fairly liberal guy myself (social libertarian -- not a social justice warrior, but against racism and homophobia and whatever), but I can't fucking stand the identity politics and retardation of the modern left.

>>738296215

Population differences and gentrification are what again?

GFY with that retarded shit.

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>>738291170
I'm sorry you're too politically uninformed to know the difference.

Daily reminder that liberals are retarded, but republicucks are just as much so.

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>>738297468

Reaganomics is literally the WORST thing that ever happened to this country economically. Sort of like the retard himself.

>expanded drug war
>Iran Contra
>gentrification
>bankrupting the mental asylums
>bullshit corporate cronyism
>deregulation
>stopping FCC from shutting down TV and radio shows that push lying propaganda as fact (the advent of Fox News!)

Seriously. If you don't hate Reagan's fucking guts, you don't know anything about 1980's American politics and sociology.

>>738298548
>black president
That's not a sign that racism is over. (((They))) just knew it would create a nice illusion.

>>738299676
The fact that government corruption is the reason it is that way you fucking fuck.

Go be a good lapdog somewhere else, faggot. Preferably on Facebook. 4chan is the home of the original Occupy Wallstreeters.

>>738299953
Yes? And?

>>738298100

>socialism
>North Korea

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAA!! HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA!!

>>738300019
thank you. Jesus christ, you have some brains. Thats nice to see

>>738297468
really dude?

>>738298310
So they have alt-videos on alt-news sites now, do they? You should be able to find the real video on YouTube or Vimeo…

>>738293407
>le communist Sandinistas

>>738299701
I cant stand it either. But sadly it's what the media pushes. I personally think that its making the left very unnatractive, and part of the reason we lost.

>>738299627
Correct but no nation is 100 percent one or the other it wont work

>>738298627
1) Re-branding something IBM told you to acquire isn't an idea
2) Jobs didn't come up with the idea to "build shitty kit computers"
3) Both literally lifted ideas from Xerox

>>738293407
If you think the USSR and Denmark have the same government system, you should kill yourself.

I'm not being ironic. I'm not being funny. Seriously. Go drop a fucking toaster in your bathtub, friendo.

>>738298309
That's what John Howard Griffin thought before he wrote Black Like Me. See what he has to say.

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>>738290847
Ever seen 13th On Netflix?
Of course you haven't
You're a stupid motherfucker
All your best opinions are about things you know nothing about

>>738300310
I'm really not interested. I know my life and I know that I have never been the recipient of any invisible knapsack full of advantages and privileges. I know that I have never been given anything for being white, whether it's material goods or opportunities. Never.

>>738300082
Please go on to show me why the CEOs of Facebook, Google, Microsoft, or Apple are rich because of government corruption. I'll wait.

Better yet, explain to me how Bernie is going to add more government offices and more taxation of the rich in order to fix government corruption funneling money to the 1%.

>>738292694
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>>738299821
Jesus christ, you cunts are idiots. You like to assume a lot don't you?

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>>738300272

Actually, Steve Jobs BOUGHT Xerox Parc and the Mouse patents from Xerox and even hired the Perc team that Xerox was about to let go because they wanted to terminate the project.

He was also the designer and innovator for driving the products all the way up to his death. Just because he wasn't actually coding the shit doesn't mean it wasn't his. Hell, OSX is built on Cocoa and NeXT, which he was the CEO of before coming BACK to Apple.

>tfw Apple still technically owns the sole rights to the mouse and point-n-click GUIs.

>>738298627
Early versions of Windows lifted PARC code so literally that the copyright notices were still there when Gates got sued.

Apple had been accused of stealing PARC's visual interface, but I didn't find that accusation to be particularly convincing.