ITT: We Post Our Political Compasses and Discuss How to Eliminate

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https://www.politicalcompass.org/

https://8values.github.io/

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Also, what do, Amerifats?

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>>737648119
i don't know if op is trolling or not but i love rustling right wing jimmies

>>737648379
Leftism is a mental disorder. Your world view is fundamentally flawed.

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Stay salty

>>737649078
Lmao dude weed man

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wew

>>737649300
Let me guess. You're 17?

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Opinions?

>>737649650
About 3 more steps to the right and I won't have to burn you at the stake

>>737648564
kek, you stupid nigger you sound daft, dumb and stupid. Stop replying and go stick your thumb up your ass and complain that minorities and islam are ruining this great nation

>>737648564
Not >>737648379 here, but my "political compass" showed a similar outcome without me even believing "everyone is equal" and any of the other neoliberal dogmas. The test itself is flawed, every pro-authoritarian choice is retardedly non-specific and the only two possible outcomes are "people are entitled to do any stupid, degenerate and possibly harmful shit they want" and "I must dogmatically follow big brother, no matter how unfounded, regressive and harmful his standpoints are". It uses a model of the world in which everyone is either a religious fundamentalist or a cultural relativist and merges unrelated variables into one.

>>737650269
Would you care to express your political views, explain them and be prepared to defend your position on the public forum?

>>737650353
to tooth and nail comrade

>>737649764
Nice

>>737650344
I'd largely agree with this assessment of the political compass and this seems to be a common criticism. However, it is seemingly the only test outside of 8values in which people post and use as conversation starters.

Rather than posting a rather unreliable image, how about you express what you believe you are in your own words.

>>737650465
Kek, then how would you describe yourself? What has led you to come to these conclusions on how the world should function?

do we all agree that test is a fucking joke

>>737650834
Its more of a conversation starter

>>737650834
Yeah

>>737650987
but there are better tests that dont ask shit like "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

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>>737648564
>Somebody on the internet has a different opinion, REEEEEEEEEE

>>737650987
>>737651265
it's just so nebulous

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Center is best.

>>737651490
>MUH CENTRISM

More like muh soft socialism. Centrists slowly drag their respective system towards the left. Why? If centrists lean towards a certain new government program or another and aid in passing legislation implementing the program, it becomes virtually impossible to remove it. Government programs are incredibly resilient to being removed once they're implemented and as time passes, newer programs that are deemed necessary to deal with new manufactured crises will eventually gain enough support as a consequence to MUH CENTRISTS and once they're understood to be overall detrimental to society, they cannot be removed.

Thus the slow road to soft socialism

>>737650672
as a nigger who bombs first and asks questions later when dealing with anyone overseas, lines his pockets and shows no mercy to the free market, doesn't give a fuck what your traditions/values are because they are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. id describe my self a libetarian but id say out loud I'm more right than left. when it comes to government funded programs for the public I'm extremely left. But i don't think government assistance should be a year round thing... i don't know what you'd call that

>>737652049
I think I'd call that "inconsistent".

>libetarian
>when it comes to government funded programs for the public I'm extremely left

pick one

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>>737648119
Seems about right

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>>737652250

>>737652215
i choose both comrade

>>737651490
Agreed, but I'm not a centrist ._.

>>737652414
Perhaps there is a difference in definitions between the two of us.

How would you describe libertarian/ism?

>>737651903
>Acting like socialism is bad

Kek

>>737652496
>agrees with claim
>but personally, I disagree with that claim

u wot

>>737652215
i fucked up oodles,

i meant to say id describe my self out loud as conservative, but i lean all the way to the left when it comes to government funding for programs to help people that are genuinely disadvantaged

>>737652577
I agree that my opinions are too far left

>>737652547
But it is. Disastrous where ever it is implemented with respect to the degree in which it is implemented. The free market is what generates wealth and raises every member of society to newer heights.

>>737652586
I forget what that test is called. Sauce?

>>737652735
damn, thats why i posted it, i dont remember either

>>737652696
Saudi Arabia's wealth sure does increase, and that's good because the country is run by exremist MUSLIMS

>>737652655
So you're "conservative" but you "doesn't give a fuck what your traditions/values are because they are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things" which leads me to believe that you're a progressive nihilist

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>>737648119
My superiority seems to be causing some controversy

>>737652735
nvm found it, http://filteries.com/politics

>>737651903
>what is nuance?
You must be a republican.

>>737652525
refer to
>>737652655

>>737652694
Then you must disagree with the claim that centrism is the best unless.

One cannot genuinely hold an opinion to be their own and yet disagree with it simultaneously. Its an oxymoron.

>>737652374
>everything slightly to the left must be a commie
You're no better than a shitskin loving sjw.

>>737652791
wot

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>>737652859
No commies in my thread

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>>737652962
it's true?
Watches at $ 0?

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>>737652890
Nuance? Cut it with the shit and non-arguments.

Centrism, if it lends its political capital to one side or another (say Democrat or Republican), it will assist either one from time to time. However, the fact that once implemented, government programs are virtually permanent, centrism aids the cause of socialism by gradually giving the left the utility it needs to implement their impervious programs.

>>737652979
Did not invoke "commie" claim

You're getting kicked out either way though

>>737653298
No it's not true you great gangly fuck-knuckle. Now stop posting this

>>737648119
>>>/pol/

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>>737649078
Dude weed lmao

>>737653379
Maybe blame that on the pendulum that seems to steer from extreme right to extreme left on the political spectrum, not the people who have mixed feelings about both parties. If you want to shame someone, shame your damn politicians who have lost any sense of nuance and always look for opposition instead of finding common grounds, dickhead.

>/b/
>"random"

>B-but MUH TRAP THREADS

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>>737648119

>>737653379
>Centrism, if it lends its political capital to one side or another (say Democrat or Republican), it will assist either one from time to time
Bullshit. That you're too fucking cucked to understand that both "sides" represent the same social order with different factions of oligarchs on the very top is your own fucking problem.
>However, the fact that once implemented, government programs are virtually permanent
Not a fact, merely a policy choice. If sunsets were mandated by chamber rules or by the Constitution, this problem wouldn't exist.
>centrism aids the cause of socialism by gradually giving the left
Liberals are not the left. Neoliberals are far-right. Literally kill yourself you ignorant tiddly-winks player.

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>>737653923
Pretty sure that's anarcho communism. Dude weed lmao is for >>737648379 and >>737652250

>>737653937
You haven't addressed the initial criticism that centrism eventually leads to socialism.

>>737654032
Pretty much kek

>>737653937
Shut up, American. There is no extreme left in the USA because the FBI and the Democrat Party work to destroy them. You're a total fucking cuck if youi think idpol is anything but muh markets and muh innovation applied to social organization.

>>737654122
>You haven't addressed the initial criticism that centrism eventually leads to socialism.
It leads to neoliberalism (market extremism), not socialism. There is no left in the USA.

>>737654122
Because you haven't provided any proof of it ever happening, all you did was make an accusation, throw in some big boy words to try and make yourself look smart and a meme. Fuck off and jerk off to Molyneux.
>>737654173
I live in Eastern Europe, shit for brains and the Democratic Party is starting to become the extreme left. Are you brain damaged?

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>>737648119

>>737654102
I'm the last one that you mentioned. I'm not a druggie, I just don't give a shit what people do as long as it doesn't directly affect me

>>737654043
>Centrism, if it lends its political capital to one side or another (say Democrat or Republican), it will assist either one from time to time

This is what is called an example to show that the center between two sides will lend its political capital to the "extremes" from time to time.

>However, the fact that once implemented, government programs are virtually permanent
>Not a fact

Yes it is. What massive government programs have been outright removed? Government programs are easy to pass in the face of crisis, ie. NSA, but its all hell to remove them once they're there. This is a fact. Anyone who pays a slimmer of attention to history and modern politics understands that.

>Liberals are not the left. Neoliberals are far-right.

literally wot. I don't think you understand the definitions of those words you're using.

>>737654542
>Democratic Party is starting to become the extreme left. Are you brain damaged?
How's that reaction formation working out for you, polack?
Aside from culture, which the government has no fucking business regulating, the Democrat Party is economically center-right, at its LEFTMOST. Prove otherwise by actual policy results, not marketing rhetoric, nigger.

>>737648182

hahahaha holy fuck, were you literally born in 1880 you backwards invalid?

>>737654727
I'm very close to you too and I'm not a druggie either. It's more the fact that I believe it should be legalized and prescribed in manageable quantities for any consenting adult. Basically anyone can do anything as long as it doesn't affect me and it doesn't cross our ethical lines.

>>737654542
>Because you haven't provided any proof of it ever happening
Because its self evident? I mean I fleshed out the principle of political capital but if that's above your head, perhaps discussions of political matters isn't your cup of tea. I'd suggest fapping to trap threads might be more your speed.

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idek what this means but i answered it honestly

>>737654625
Thanks for the bump, dumbass

>>737655016
Perhaps we can all better understand each other by defining what it means to be both left and right.

>>737655034
Not an argument

>>737655008
>So the whole Feeling the Bern movement was secretly a covert far-right operation?
Bernie was economically centrist, in fact. In no way did he encourage the public ownership of the means of production.
>Are all social welfare programs and their supporters secretly CIA operatives that actually seek to lower taxes and the size and scale of the federal government?
No, they're simply captivity programs to keep the ruling class in place and out of the genocide they clearly deserve.
>Do you even know what you're talking about?
I do. Do you understand the difference between political rhetoric and reality, between rhetoric and action? Do you understand that politics is literally nothing but manipulation, lying, and self-dealing, and that we would be better off with administrators who work for the people on an at-will basis?

>>737655195
>political capital
Nice theory, bro. The error is in assuming that the political spectrum as the oligarchy defines it represents the people's actual political interests and desired policy outcomes. Read Gilens and Page's 2014 paper showing that the results of the USA system are more like oligarchy than anything even close to democracy.

>>737655088
Dude lmao

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the future is left

>>737655346
Extreme left: public ownership of and control over the means of production, including common goods such as roads, utilities, etc.
Extreme right: private ownership of and control over the means of production
Culture is better considered on the reactionary-progressive scale.

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top kek OP is a dinosaur

>>737655088
And that is the Libertarian way :D

>>737655197
It means you like being told what to do by big brother, and you don't like giving other people your money

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>>737655609
reupload

I'm not bothering to do the whole Political Compass right now (it's nearly midnight), but I'm firmly in the Green quadrant (like -6,-6 or something).

>>737655619
OP is progressive. It''s all this socialist crap that's regressive, a throwback to when people lived in villages or small clans and didn't actually have to manage a complex economy. You're arguing for roots-and-berries, but this is a world if iPhones and transcontinental aircraft. I'd say try to keep up, but it's like a crippled old man trying to chase after Voyager I.

>>737654102
dude weed isn't for me i just believe everyone has a right to get addicted to heroin or smoke pot

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I guess that's a lil bad maybe?

>>737655195
There is nothing self evident about a person's beliefs regarding politics since it's a fast moving and unpredictable machine. I've been fighting both the far left and far right ideologies for the last couple of years and that hasn't ruined my centrism at all. You know why? Because your so called political capital doesn't mean shit when dealing with the common people's interests, both the right and the left can lose its supporters overnight if they don't adhere to what the plebs want. Case and point, look at what happened in the recent elections in Great Britain. There is no left or right for the masses, just cunts who work for them or against them. Maybe you should get your head out of /pol/'s ass and look at this from another perspective.

>>737655619
Damn dude you got it all right

>>737655394
>Bernie was economically centrist, in fact. In no way did he encourage the public ownership of the means of production.
Taxing upper income brackets at upwards of 90%+ and advocating for total government control of health care is in fact a centrist position. Publicly funded college tuition, that's what I call centrism!

>No, they're simply captivity programs to keep the ruling class in place and out of the genocide they clearly deserve.
Lmao, now that's red pilled. They're dependency programs designed to keep a class of people who petition for more and more expansions of government, which I presume is the oligarchy in your words. Expansions of the government into any industrial or support program are leftist by nature.

>USA system are more like oligarchy than anything even close to democracy
Because we're not a democracy in the sense you probably believe we should. Actually, since the founding, we've come closer and closer to direct democracy that the founders certainly intended.

Your post still isn't a rebuttal of the criticism of centrism. You're criticizing a specific political system where I'm criticizing centrism as a position.

>>737652696
Every member of society? Nigger you dumb as fuck.

>>737656287
Eh, you do you, boo. It's pretty middle of the road, and all of us like big brother to dom us just a little bit ;)

>>737655609
Alright, I'll agree with that summation.

So how are the Democrats "center-right" in your opinion?

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Was hoping for lmao dude weed man

>>737655619
DURR CHANGE FOR DA SAKE OF CHANGE IS DURR GEWD

>>737655882
dude... lmao
weed

>>737656064
Personally I wouldn't use the term because its synonymous with autism today, but your post is rather accurate.

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we can unite.

>>737656320
>Because your so called political capital doesn't mean shit when dealing with the common people's interests
And this is where "centrism" leads to socialism. The people as a collective want two things, two very understandable and logical things, free shit and low taxes. Of course they can't have both. You're going to vote for "the common interest" but it'll be disastrous as it'll lead to a growing central government which will slowly be voted in because it promises to fix whatever problem is currently facing the people.

>>737656265
Making it illegal is only going to make it more appealing and it opens up avenues for illegal operations. The fact that you can smoke a joint and relax after a hard day at work then get gangraped in prison for it is what I find massively horrid. Selling drugs to school kids and distributing large amounts of/dangerous drugs is a whole different topic, but I am of the opinion that it can be limited if the state allows and regulates consumption. If one chooses to get addicted to mj, then it's entirely on them, just like some can't go on for more than 2 hours without smoking 2 packs of cigarettes.

>>737656518
Yes, see the progression of the United States from 1820 to 1920. How about the life expectancy from colonial times, average being in the 30s, to modern times, high 70s. Technology has improved dramatically as a consequence of the free market. Hippie twats such as your self tap upon your smart phones and your laptops that were created by the market for you and simultaneously claim that you're oppressed and how society is suffering as a result of capitalism.

>>737656628
Gary Johnson 2016 man

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>>737656064

hows that deregulated economy working out for the environment?

the financial sector? (bailed out with public funds in 2008, so much for laissez-faire capitalism)

the people in Vietnam getting paid $1 a day for making all of Nike's shit?

finally how about those levels of inequality? The gap between the top 10% and the middle class is over 1,000%; that increases another 1,000% for the top 1%.

nice one mate, neoliberal capitalism is going swimmingly well at the minute, top kek.

>>737656628
What is Aleppo?

>>737652786
>t.oligarch cum sommelier

>>737652374
Nigger you'll be lucky if that helicopter gets a foot off the ground by the time I'm done sticking your head in the rotors.

>>737656453
>Taxing upper income brackets at upwards of 90%+ and advocating for total government control of health care is in fact a centrist position.
Single payer to private practice is not total government control of health care, you fuck. In fact, on the world scale, single-payer to private practice IS a centrist position.
>Publicly funded college tuition, that's what I call centrism!
Also a centrist position, since many colleges and trade schools are private providers.
>Lmao, now that's red pilled. They're dependency programs designed to keep a class of people who petition for more and more expansions of government
And, by design, never, ever get it. That's the point of progressivism: to preserve the conditions that make themselves necessary.
>which I presume is the oligarchy in your words
Bad presumption. The oligarchs merely control the government and control who controls the government.
>Expansions of the government into any industrial or support program are leftist by nature.
Nationalization is leftism. Anything short of that is probably centrist or further right, depending on just how much it supports individual ownership. Government grants to small business is actually kinda right-wing, by that light.
>Because we're not a democracy
>we've come closer and closer to direct democracy that the founders certainly intended.
Representative democracy is an oxymoron. The parties themselves may have all the democratic rights, but they're terrorist organizations that need to be destroyed. Not that the founder's intent means fuck all unless you're a fucking larper.
>Your post still isn't a rebuttal of the criticism of centrism
Perhaps you might define centrism then, without reference to the two arbitrary poles which you believe, and I do not believe, are trending towards collectivism.

>>737656790
kek!

>>737649434
Kek

>>737656911
Do you see any other alternative in the civilized world besides voting for your government? Do you actually think that people give a shit about what their compatriots think? Everyone votes according to their own beliefs and needs, unless they're ideologically driven.

>>737656615
The Democrats are a liberal party. Liberalism is the concept of emancipation, which assumes the Karpman drama triangle's roles of victim, abuser, and rescuer, and the ideal of free exchange as a state of nature. Laissez-faire markets inevitably concentrate power. Democrats support private central banking and cheap labor, which is itself a concentration of power and decision-making. Rescuers require an abuser and a victim in order to play out their roles, and discrimination between them requires that concentration of power. The concentration of power and decision-making is inherently right-wing.
It's a bit jumbled, but you can probably fill in the blanks.

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>>737656646
DURRR IM AFRAID OF CHANGE, EVERYTHING WAS BETTER 60 YEARS AGO

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>>737648119
debate me

>>737656942
i agree with you on Federal regulation of drugs is bullshit it should be done in a county to county basis or up to the state. I want citizens to be able to do whatever they want in the privacy of their homes without fear of being viewed as drug dealer because the difference between the two gets swept under the rug by right wing politicians. I am basically saying what you just said lol

>>737648234
It's almost like we will all be fine no matter what, weird.

>>737657592
thinking like this gets us tried and prodded by foreign nations. You give them a inch they'll take a mile. You don't understand though youre probably still young and naive lol

>>737657168
>hows that deregulated economy working out for the environment?
I don't know. Increased the quality of life for society while also innovating and transitioning industry from a primarily coal burning civilization to increasingly less polluting fuels. Either way, negative externalities are but a few exceptions I'd take with the free market.

>the financial sector? (bailed out with public funds in 2008, so much for laissez-faire capitalism)
Because governments using the people's money to bail out the bad practices of bankers is definitely the free market and not the corruption of the state. The free market position would let them fail, rebuild and allow that to remain as an example of bad business practice. On top of that, the crisis was partially a consequence of the government forcing banks to make bad loans because MUH DISCRIMINATION while also promising to bail out firms, removing consequences from high risk practices and thus guaranteeing such business practice.

>the people in Vietnam getting paid $1 a day for making all of Nike's shit?
Christ, the Communists come into Vietnam, destroy the place and ruin those people's lives and now that they're allowing some market, you bitch about how terrible it is there. Are you retarded? Why aren't you complaining about how Singapore has rocketed to the third highest average quality of life on the planet despite being a resource barren city-state on the edge of derka derka Malaysia?

>finally how about those levels of inequality?
What's wrong with inequality? What should matter is the quality of life of the lowest average percentile, which, for example, the American lower class is still one of the wealthiest peoples on the Earth, especially outside of free markets. Within the free market, those who gain wealth are usually people who provided a product to society that consumers consent to purchasing only because they believe that the monetary value of utility from the product is greater than its price.

>>737658039
Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic. Nvm then.

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debate me

>>737657335
Voting for small government and freer markets

>>737658154
No, having power hungry cunts that have no limit to their virtue signaling and claim they are doing the right thing while at the same time eliminating voices in the name of freedom is why we're being fucked by foreigners that have no place here. Japan is constantly changing, whether it is for worse or better is debatable, but they are not taking any shit from anyone.

>>737648564
Ameritard I guess.

>>737655034
If he was backwards, the civil axis will be more authoritative...

>>737658392
Excellent idea, let me know when the masses realize this is a good idea and stop voting for the most advertised, rich, popular and braindead pair of candidates.

>>737657572
>Karpman drama triangle's roles of victim, abuser, and rescuer
I reject this assumption. Its essentially conflict theory which an absurd way of looking at the world. People are largely responsible for their own condition within a free locality.

Democrats often support expanding the role of the state wherever they can, which is consistent with socialist nationalization. They do this because they view the world through that Karpman/Marxist lens.

While socialism claims to be the great equalizer, it often just forms concentrations of power within the government and whoever bankrolls them which would then make them right or center-right. But as we all know, socialism is left/far-left and so your model for explaining society is flawed.

>>737658386
>economic axis
I agree

>diplomatic Axis:
Never going to work you regressive cunt

>civil axis:
>LE HURR DURR LETS SAFE HUMUNITI FRUM DISUBULT AND GAY FAGGITS

>societal axis:
>KEEP MAH CHURGES FULL OF GOLDEN STATUES

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>>737648119

>>737657592
I agree. The gulag archipelago and communist pogroms was the pinnacle of human achievement.

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>>737648119

>>737657977
You love niggers

>>737654032
In this case, its better to be any of them other than the red zone.

>>737658386
SIEG HEIL/10

>>737658047
Bad things have never happened throughout history and bad things will never ever happen to us! Its impossible because we're us.

>>737658386
>authoritarian
I'm going to control everything

>economic centrist
Just not that everything

Do you want your society to be poor and collapse from the wars you get yourself involved in?

>>737658952
>I reject this assumption. Its essentially conflict theory which an absurd way of looking at the world. People are largely responsible for their own condition within a free locality.
Reject it all you like, but it's a natural consequence of classical liberalism. Indeed, it traces all the way back to Plato.
>Democrats often support expanding the role of the state wherever they can
Then why aren't the Democrat Party deciders all over single-payer, and instead try to fight it off in favor of subsidization of private i.e. corporate insurance as a matter of policy? Why do they favor the concerns of enterprises and rentiers over the interests of consumers in every trade initiative they have ever taken?
>Marxist lens
>While socialism claims to be the great equalizer
Nigger you have no idea what the fuck you are even talking about anymore. Define socialism and prove otherwise.

>>737659152
What? lol
I just believe all power should go to the government because the majority of the general public is ill-educated when it comes to politics and don't know what is best for them

>>737658850
This is why strict constitutionalism is necessary.

>>737657168
You post makes no sense, because you're blaming the failures of the government on capitalism.

Capitalism only works when the government establishes a basic framework, including enforcing contracts, managing network externalities (like the environmental damage caused by heavy industry), and other economics 101 stuff.

The financial sector failed because the government-caused housing bubble, dating to the early 1990s and the push to expand mortgages to everyone. It was direct government intervention that distorted the market, created an unsustainable bubble, and led to the collapse.

The rise in inequality is the direct result of government corruption. The wealthy can afford lobbyists and campaign contributions, which basically puts the elected government officials in their pocket. This can't be fixed by blaming the corporations, it can only be fixed by rooting out the corruption.

>>737658976
I kek'd

>>737659053
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE

>>737659445
Thank you, Jeremy Bentham.

>>737659489
The U.S. was founded on two bedrock principles: Democratic representation, and limited government. The Warren Court basically destroyed the concept of limited government, and replaced it with rule by unelected philosopher kings.

>>737659445
So you're not a fan of democracy, and prefer some kind of oligarchy or dictatorship?

>>737658472
Id rather them than us. I agree with you on the politicians but America is hated abroad simply because its America and what we supposedly stand for. We get fucked by foreigners because America is the scape goat, they hate all Americans because they think we all live like the rich part of America

>>737659445
I mean, while I would agree that most people are not politically educated enough, you know that giving authority to a set group of individuals who will keep saying: "now, now, you're just being stupid and unreasonable and we're just doing it for your own good" is a very bad idea, right? It might be fine and dandy if we lived in a world with no corruption, no dictatorship, but in desperate times authoritarian governments turn into the worst things and, if oppressed, people will have no choice but to overthrow it.
t. someone who lived under a communist regime and is now living the effects of it (after almost 30 years)

>>737659504
>This can't be fixed by blaming the corporations, it can only be fixed by rooting out the corruption.
The representative system practically asks for this level of corruption. Direct democracy and, where that is impractical, an absolute people's right of recall are the onlys way to fix this problem.

>>737659981
>Democratic representation, and limited government.
Cool story, bro. The rot actually began with parties, which George Washington warned us against, and James Madison (oligarch supreme) wrote of favorably. Parties are at best fraudulent rackets and ought to be treated as such.

>>737660129
>America is hated abroad simply because its America and what we supposedly stand for
Shut the fuck up you cuck. America is hated abroad because it's evangelical and needs to butt the fuck out of everyone else's business.

>>737660129
Blame their propaganda machines then.

>>737659432
Your model for viewing society suggests that people are of no consequence for their own conditions, which paves the way for the "rescuer", which in our modern democratic world usually comes in the form of the government", which uses its basic function, the legal capacity to coerce, to not be the "abuser" against the perceived "abusers" who are often just successful people who work hard and provide a desirable product to society.

>it traces all the way back to Plato
And if you read Plato and understand the historical context, you'd know that he was in favor of a totalitarian regime headed by college intellectual elite to form a society similar to Sparta, which most philosophers viewed to be the ideal society, but this was usually a consequence of them never visiting or living in Sparta and only observing the Spartan messengers as representatives of their societies. In short, he was nigger who enjoyed the fruits of Athenian liberty while supporting the totalitarian eugenic slave society of Sparta.

>Then why aren't the Democrat Party deciders all over single-payer
They will. Just give them a chance to get back in power after Obamacare fails. It was designed to fail and government failure is usually "fixed" with even larger expansions of government.

>Why do they favor the concerns of enterprises and rentiers over the interests of consumers in every trade initiative they have ever taken?
What? Do you even pay attention to Democrat policy? Progressivism began as a movement to support consumer rights over the producer.

>Nigger you have no idea what the fuck you are even talking about anymore.
Are you suggesting that the central tenet of socialism and generalized leftism isn't to bring equality to society?

>>737660217
I think direct democracy might make an interesting form of government. It's hard to assess the flaws, since we don't really have any good examples. In, the U.S., for instance, the only examples are ballot initiatives. Which are generally fairly corrupt -- see the marijuana legalization debate in several states where the "legalize marijuana" bill was actually an attempt by some rich fucks to set up a monopoly with them in charge.

>>737660068
I believe that a competent dictator that doesn't ruin everything by taking his country to war would be very beneficial to a country as there is no opposing party that inevitably vitos every single policy. An authoritarian dictator cares about his/her country as a whole, therefore threats like terrorism are handled properly

>>737660283
if i had to blame someone it'd be nixon, reagan, and then bush's

>>737660424
>Are you suggesting that the central tenet of socialism and generalized leftism isn't to bring equality to society?
Equality of outcome, not opportunity. Which is part of the problem. And while this faux equality/justice is generally the selling point, in practice it always seems to turn into rule by the privileged elites. It's a form of government based on unreachable ideals, not pragmatism and what actually works.

>>737660486
>See Ancient Athens

>>737660131
You make good points, but when you allow the mainstream media to broadcast lies and biased information to millions, you start getting a problem where a lot of people believe something should be done in a certain way, but are too delusional and have too much faith in the wrong people to realise that whatever they are thinking is a horrible idea that will cause them misery in the years to come.

>>737660863
Yes "equality". You claimed that centralization of power is a consequence of right-ism, but I contested that what is understood to be left-ism, that being socialism, also leads to centralization of power.

>>737660876
I don't think that can be easily applied to a modern nation-state

>>737661217
And you'd be correct. I wasn't successful at the city-state level either.

>>737661080
Different anon. I just posted the "equality of outcome" bit.

>>737661328
IDs are fucking useful

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>>737661281
It had some successes, but even with only a few 10s of thousands of male citizens (those allowed to vote), it was less direct than "direct democracy" implies.

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>>737648119
Get triggered by my superior leftist views, righty fags

>>737657977
You're a moderate, there's nothing to debate about.

>>737661506
It would have failed much faster if women were allowed to vote.

literally hitler

>>737658386
(same fag here)
these are my political compass results

>>737661005
Old generations are mostly already lost, best way to prevent this sort of thing from happening is by teaching kids how to think for themselves and get a general political education which they can build up. It's never going to happen unless the education system is privatized by a group of wealthy unbiased billionaires who's only goals are educating children the proper way. So yeah, never.
All in all, I get where you're coming from, but I still wouldn't give too much power to the government, not to the jokes that we see today, never in a million years.

>>737661538
duuuudeee weed lmao

>>737661661
Just so everyone knows, Hitler liked socialism.

>>737661717
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
lmao
dude

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>>737661717 (You)

>>737661717
Fucking lefty scum! Go and hug a tree, you weed smoking gender studies student

>>737661806
What are you? Some kind of retard?

Who knew that /b/ could be this civilized?

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1/2

>>737661810
Calm down, those types are usually authoritarian left.

>>737661856
these wankers are either trolling for attention, or are autistic weeaboos

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>>737661876
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>>737661806
>Progressive Socialist
>Supports the government control over the economy and imposition of values through public education
>B-BUT I ALSO LIKE LIBERTY

duuuuuuuude, lmao

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Center af

>>737661729
hitler hated socialism and capitalism

>>737661925
Are you blind? He is nowhere near authoritarianism!

>>737648119
This shit is based as fuck, i am ancap/libertarian and it gives just right, and look at this crap, how the fuck can one be left libertarian?

>>737660424
>Your model for viewing society suggests that people are of no consequence for their own conditions
Not necessarily true. The fact that people don't rise up and kill those who presume to rule them is mostly their own fault.
>successful people who work hard and provide a desirable product to society.
>successful
In material accumulation and manipulation of other human beings. Perverse compulsion, not an ideal.
>work hard
Hard work is a perverse compulsion, not an ideal. Sufficiency is far better and more honorable.
>desirable product to society
If that were so, then advertisers and marketeers and propagandists should be tortured to death on livestreams that make ISIS cringe. That you have to manufacture the desire in the first place discredits your muh virtue.
>In short, he was nigger who enjoyed the fruits of Athenian liberty while supporting the totalitarian eugenic slave society of Sparta.
Like today's oligarchs of "either" Party.
>They will
Not willingly. Their corporate donors and their important people want nothing of the sort. Are you seriously this paranoid delusional?
>It was designed to fail
Why would a private health insurance VP design the system that governs their own industry to fail? Why would the Heritage Foundation design a system that fails in the socialist direction? Do you even into context?
>What? Do you even pay attention to Democrat policy? Progressivism began as a movement to support consumer rights over the producer.
Are you such a tit-sucking mong as to think that rhetoric = policy? Progressivism has no place in the Democrat Party beyond cultural critique and "aspirationalism".
>Are you suggesting that the central tenet of socialism and generalized leftism isn't to bring equality to society?
Not at all. I'm suggesting that the Democrat Party, being a liberal party, are anti-socialist and anti-communist. Ignore what they say and watch what they do.

>>737661876
>>737661947

I'd gas you. I'd gas you so hard rn.

>>737661963
>slightly right
scum

>>737661729
Hitler also liked puppies.

>>737662029
Slightly fuck off

>>737662004
That's what I'm saying. Gender studies sjw types are authoritarian, this guy is a libertarian. He basically doesn't give a shit.

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debate me, fucking autists

>>737662006
All these sites try to redefine common political terms to suit their own prejudices. So "left" and "right" or "libertarian" may be used to mean something entirely different.

>>737661984
Can you describe Hitler's Germany?
>totalitarian state
>totalitarianism suggests rigorous state control over the economy
>Germany's economy was highly regulated in accordance to the state under the Nazis
>I mean fuck, socialism is literally in Hitler's party's name.
>BUT THATS THE WRONG SOCIALISM

Can you then describe socialism and its various incarnations?
>NOT REAL SOCIALISM

>>737662141
seems perfectly normal

>>737662122
Slightly kill urself dumb nigger

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>>737652696
America is a socialist country you stupid nigger. Every country in the developed world is a socialist country. If socialism was so bad then why are our countries at the top of the human prosperity index?

>>737662258
Nigger? I don't think so

>>737662006
OP here, I would be deeper in the purple if it weren't for my position that modern art was a KGB plot to undermine our capitalist system and thus have it illegalized and the commies roasted.

>>737660486
>In, the U.S., for instance, the only examples are ballot initiatives. Which are generally fairly corrupt -- see the marijuana legalization debate in several states where the "legalize marijuana" bill was actually an attempt by some rich fucks to set up a monopoly with them in charge
This is 100% true. However, those initiatives typically did worse when other initiatives that allowed home-grow and a less cronyist commercial production regime were on the ballot.

>>737660876
>>737661217
Blockchain democracy seems quite feasible, actually.

>>737662290
>America is a socialist country you stupid nigger. Every country in the developed world is a socialist country
1. Empire
2. Human development indices being heavily biased away from broad public goods and services
3. The fallacy of composition

>>737661963
>>737661947
>>737661529
Hello there fellow centrist© skeptics™.

>>737662122
^

>>737662357
>modern art was a KGB plot to undermine our capitalist system and thus have it illegalized and the commies roasted.
You'd be wrong as fuck actually. It's documented that modern art was a CIA plot to undermine political expression.

>>737662006
So, you're a communist?

>>737662009
Jesus Christ, you think modern advanced civilization would work if no one worked hard or for themselves. Your world view is absurd.

>>737662230
Socialism only works when there aren't non whites and niggers mooching off the welfare system that don't contribute to society.

>>737662040
We remember the man for his politics, not his love of dogs.

>>737662432
Hello anon

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r8 me boys

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extreme capitalism good

rest evil failure

>>737662230
Hitler clearly believed that the lack of a precise economic programme was one of the Nazi Party's strengths, saying: "The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."[20] While not espousing a specific economic philosophy, Hitler employed anti-semitic themes to attack economic systems in other countries, associating ethnic Jews with both communism ("Jewish Bolsheviks") and capitalism, both of which he opposed.

>disproved

>>737662141
Oh damn, I bow to your baseness.

>>737662236
thank you I worked hard on editing the results <3

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How'd I do, mom?

>>737662645
>we don't have any economic theory at all
>ergo the policies that he enforced were not socialist in nature

good argument

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>>737662692
SingleIssueVotingStoner/10

>>737662644
disgusting. stick to your own race. that is beastiality!

>>737662644
Nationalist Society and Free Markets are the optimal flavor, race mixer.

>>737662522
>you think modern advanced civilization would work if no one worked hard or for themselves. Your world view is absurd.
Not at all true. Past performance does not guarantee future results. Even if it were, we have the status quo now, and there is no rational, logical reason to advance it further, especially with unsurpassable natural limits such as those of thermodynamics coming close to biting us in the ass.
Why do you believe that I should be attached to the status quo just because I happen to live in it? That's a primordial debt story.

>>737662692
you're like gahandi but probably waaaaay more pretentious

>>737662009
>The fact that people don't rise up and kill those who presume to rule them is mostly their own fault.
Probably because we're not in the Middle Ages anymore and we're not in that kind of desperate times? Also probably because we can vote them out of existence?
>In material accumulation and manipulation of other human beings. Perverse compulsion, not an ideal.
Or by working hard. You can work hard as a fucking taxi driver and you can live well. Also, you're probably typing this from a phone/pc made with cheap labor, so shame on you.
>Hard work is a perverse compulsion, not an ideal. Sufficiency is far better and more honorable.
Now this is called projecting. Just because you're a lazy nigger, that doesn't mean nobody wants to work hard because they want to live better than just okay.
I can't even be bothered to reply to the rest of this, I can't stop cringing.

>>737662988
What kind of Chinese off-brand kind of bullshit is this? Stick with the typical colors, you nigger lover.

>>737662692
You're an anarchist, I take it?

>>737661529
Got this too. I'm always getting centrist on these tests. I am democrat though.

>>737662988
>tfw when you realize that they swapped "authoritarianism" with communitarianism.

You filthy commie snake

>>737663119
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, i just like weed, lmao

>>737662735
he enforced privatization policies as well, literally the opposite of socialism. even if he didn't enforce many, that doesnt make him a true socialist. his economic policy was undefined. ill admit that he probably did have some socialist policies, but he had capitalist policies too. i dont know why im arguing about hitler. i really dont give a shit if u think hes a socialist. lol

>>737663189
I'm sorry for your disability

>>737662192
>>737662357
>>737662495
Oh yes m8s, i like to be reasonable, and also believe that if John McAfee is a libertarian then this is the wisest way of living. The man is a fucking PhD in mathematics, computer science and a motherfucking Doctor of Science, wich is a harder thing to get than a Nobel prize; and an IQ of probably over 180

>>737663013
>Probably because we're not in the Middle Ages anymore and we're not in that kind of desperate times?
According to de Tocqueville, it's easier to successfully revolt just when things start to look better. Wins compound.
>Also probably because we can vote them out of existence?
Only to be replaced by the next one. Corporate parties still make the decisions. That's a terribly naive position.
>You can work hard as a fucking taxi driver and you can live well
Only if you don't care about actually enjoying life, or if you really enjoy driving cab.
>>737663013
>Now this is called projecting. Just because you're a lazy nigger, that doesn't mean nobody wants to work hard because they want to live better than just okay.
Why should they, when they could kill their (((superiors))) and work not as hard to have a much better life?
Cringe harder, nigger.
>Also, you're probably typing this from a phone/pc made with cheap labor, so shame on you.
Le Protestant abstinence meme. Literally kill yourself.

>>737663262
The government mandated strict decrees that all business had to conform to including but not limited to: wage control, profit control, single state labor union collective bargaining, restrictions on trade. Because that's what I call privatization.

>>737663582
>The government mandated strict decrees that all business had to conform to including but not limited to: wage control, profit control, single state labor union collective bargaining, restrictions on trade. Because that's what I call privatization.
The owners still kept the gains, didn't they? Then it was not even state capitalism, but private capitalism. It was merely regulated in order to keep them from wasting scarce and precious materials on competition or exporting resources that would be better kept at home.

OP here. Gotta blast! You guys are a bunch of hippie faggots. Open an economics book, why don't ya.

>>737663795
The government literally capped the profits firms could accumulate. Effectively, the government allowed them to keep any profits. On top of that, the state was founded on the socialist centrist politics of post Imperial and Wiemar Republican Germany.

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>>737649078

Close to me

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>>737663824
Why? It's theology.

>>737662804
I do enjoy my nightly toke, not a single issue guy tho

>>737662971
Surprisingly accurate, good job anon

>>737663119
I trust democratic government over corporations, but I love the philosophy of anarchism. I do hope that society collapses and we go back to a communal, agrarian-based society of sorts that's more sustainable

>>737663241
Ok bud

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>>737663456
>I should kill everyone at the top because I don't like them and some guy that lived in totally different times under a totally different political rule said it's true and also because I'm a lazy nigger who can't be bothered to work for shit but am fully entitled to the benefits of modern life
I think I speak for every man, woman and whatever the fuck in between that has ever drawn breath on this floating rock: kill yourself. I am saying this unironically, kill yourself, you are not only a leech to humanity, you are a poisonous one, you're not satisfied with sucking the owners blood, you also need to give him AIDS. You are worse than a nigger, you are a double nigger. I feel nothing but pity for everyone that has had the misfortune of sharing the same astral space as you, because they probably now have 7 different subtypes of colon cancer and anal syphilis.
TL;DR Go fuck yourself with a squirrel shaped dildo.

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>>737648119
Just dropping by to state the obvious. The degeneracy off Marxism is a rebound from the far rights actions.

>>737664282
>>737664282
/thread

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me

>>737664331
thanks, you almost got trips too nigger

>>737664485
>some guy that lived in totally different times under a totally different political rule said it's true
Literally the basis of capitalism. Never mind that changing the key doesn't change the song.
That's some great pasta, man. I'm keeping it.

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>>737664785

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Fence sitter master race reporting in

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>>737664524
Don't thread yourself samefag. The baits bias. Everyone has the same information at hand, yet retards can't face the hard truths.

>>737663824
The only solace, is that final I told you so when we're all drafted.

>>737653882
> Laissez-Faire
> Statist
Pick one

>>737664756
Close enough, post spread

>>737663966
Your a good person. Probly not big into politics, nationalist pride, or being a faggot in general.

>>737664767
The fact that you try so hard by quoting every possible philosopher that might seem relevant to anything and still failing to see how utterly fucked your understanding of how the contemporary world works just gets to show how much of a fuck up you are. You have no drive to even think for yourself, you have to rely on quotes plastered on paintings you've read on /pol/ to make yourself look smart.
I never said this, but get a job, you fucking loser.

>>737659125
Tip of the fedora fellow purple lad

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>>737665263
refer too >>737648379

>>737650190
>bourgeoisie
>machine for his own stand
yeehaw that is the worst interpretation of marxism I've ever seen

>>737664485
>Says double nigger unironically

>>737665263
my only problem with the 8bit is that to my self, i think my diplomatic axis leans way more on the nation one than the world

>>737665367
>The fact that you try so hard by quoting every possible philosopher that might seem relevant to anything and still failing to see how utterly fucked your understanding of how the contemporary world works
I don't give two fucking shits about how the muh contemporary world muh works because I know it's a fucking accident of history, not a natural fucking law.
>You have no drive to even think for yourself
Says the anon making vague allusions to muh how the muh world muh works, in his very next breath no less, as if that were a state of nature.
>>737665367
>you have to rely on quotes plastered on paintings you've read on /pol/ to make yourself look smart.
Tell me the difference between stocks and flows then, if you think you're such a mcsmartypants.
>I never said this, but get a job, you fucking loser.
Fuck you, sophomore cum-guzzler. I have one, and that's enough.

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We need need reform on both spectrum's, not elimination.

Also how does eliminating Marxists fit with right libertarianism?

>>737665853
Jesus, you even speak like a cretin. Go suck off your dad, I'm done with you, dumb wanker.

>>737665530
>>737665783
Yeah I see where you're coming from, that's totally respectable, and sometimes the nationalism questions can be misleading or taken out of context.
>TFW I meant pussy spread for my almost GET

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Compass in terms /b/ can understand

everybody who isnt close to the center is a kid who thinks that every problem is black and white and that there is one way you have to chose either black or white.
You are all fucking retarded to think that there can't be balance between them. Grow up pussies.

>>737666384
The rarest position of them all, an extremist centrist!

capitalsim works communism does not
its simple

>>737661529
your democrat because you can basically only chose republican or democrat. You are a centrist.

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>>737666719

>>737661953
the government can guide the economy without completely controlling it. Which is actually a far superior system then completely free capitalistic marktets but americans are too scared of anything slightly socialistic.
Public education isnt really imposing any great values when that like that dude showed he doesnt like tradition but likes science. No biased values are imposed on others regarding science. If it is perfect science not sponsored by some companies.

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unreulated capitalism is best

socialism is liek poison
even a bit destorys lives

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Social Liberal