How the hell did the allies win D-day? They were getting mowed

>>737493493
They outnumbered the Germans 3:1 when they landed on the beach.

The battle or Normandy wasn't the only battle taken place that day. the 101st Airborne and many others who fought that day played a huge roll in the victory

>>737493770
I mean landing on the beach btw

>>737493493
Because AMERIRCA, FUCK YEAH!

The greatest and most powerful country in the entire history of the recorded Universe.

>>737493493
They had 'Murica with them this time.

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>>737493493
Rip

>>737493945
they weren't the most powerful at the time. in fact it was the victory of ww2 that made murica fuck ya

>>737493493
take this to /his/ retard

>>737493804
The only beach where there was really stiff resistance was omaha. On Utah they basically walked ashore. Sword, Juno and Gold all saw some resistance but nothing too heavy. To be honest it was hitler who ensured the d-day landings were a sucess, he put all his ss panser divisions so far behind the lines they couldnt counter attack till it was too late

>>737493770
Yeah, there were paratroopers and french guerillas attacking the german ranks from behind.

>>737494268
when the fuck did I talk about the other beaches? I literally mentioned the roll the airborne played in the battle

>>737493493
Omaha was bad, but Utah, Juno, Gold, and Sword were not nearly as bad. Overall, the advantages of numbers, surprise, speed, and decisiveness of action were all on the side of the allies. They took heavy casualties at Omaha, but in that era "heavy" could mean "as high as 15%." (Nowadays even 5% is frequently considered "heavy casualties.") So there were still 85 out of 100 guys to press the line of advance against the enemy.

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>>737493493
Because these guys where owning nazis on the other side

Question... How did the Germans know the allies were coming in on that specific beach and at that specific angle? Like, how did the Germans know where to set up thier bunkers and bunker guns (pointed directly at the coastline)

Basically, how did they know they were coming on this day, and from that location, and that angle?

they tricked the germans by amassing a huge fake army near the narrowst point between the two countries.

after the germans prepared their defences in the wrong place, the allies attacked.

my grandfather fought on that beach.

>>737494649
>my grandfather fought on that beach.

gave me chills. my great grandfather was at pearl harbor

>>737493493
Only one beach was like that, the other 4 or 5 were piss easy for the allies because the germans were convinved the attack would come elsewhere and they had moved most of their forces out of Normandy.

Also, Rommel, the one in charge of the Atlantic wall, was on vacation during that week back in Berlin so the germans had a hard time organizing and coordinating a proper response until he came back.

The allies had a huge advantage but of course that doesn't follow the narrative of le underdog fighting le evil nazis so you get propaganda movies like that one. Good movie, but nothing but propaganda.

>>737494649
>fake army

Explain? Fake how? Mannequins?

not the full reason but check this dude out Juan Pujol García.

A bunch of false info he gave back to german command was one of the main reasons the beaches were under-defended (not the only yes but still a main contributor). Really interesting dude and bamboozled the Germans.

>>737494192
Go back to your trap thread faggot.

>>737494529
They didnt, basically what they did was look at the beaches and put bunkers on the most likely approaches and exits from the beaches

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>>737494529
they didnt. its just wise to protect your coasts.
especially when the enemy is right on the other side of the water.

the red circle is where the germans thought the invasion would happen when in reality the blue circle is where most of Dday went down.

the allies built a fake army and put it across the water from where the red circle is so the germans prepared their defences there.

OP here... Interesting responses. Thanks guys, I like learning. I looked up YouTube videos of Normandy Beach today, and it's just a bunch of fags using metal detectors on the beach and collecting ww2 stuff to sell on eBay. Shame.

Wonder if there's any memoribilia left after all these metal detector fags took everything.

>>737494529
They didn't?

They had troops all along the French coast, they knew an invasion was inevitable because common sense.

In fact it was pretty weak, they had a few bunkers and some MGs

>>737494870
mannequins, blow up tanks, stuff that looks retarded but from the air looks like an actual army. Of course they also had to engineer noise, but idk specifics

>>737494649
This is the correct answer. Also the Russians throwing men at the nazis.

>>737494529
They didn't know that. They had literally fortified the entire western front. Google Atlantic Wall.

>>737494870
check this out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fortitude

>>737494979
I see, cool thanks.
>>737494992
True. They were smart enough to set up thier bunkers in case the worst of the worst happens, which eventually did. And thanks for your photo, crazy cool info.

>>737494850

If I had a time machine I would send you back to the day those boys came home so you could spew that bullshit in person.

>>737493493
>They were getting mowed down like cheese by the nazi gunners.
>Months of training just to be shot and killed after stepping 2 steps onto the beach.

Because these sentences are bullshit

>>737495091
>>737495104
Yeah another /b/ro let me know. Wise decision.

>>737494850
>follow the narrative of le underdog fighting le evil nazis

i think the real significance of this victory wasnt the fact that the allies where the underdogs. but this invasion was the first real leverage the allies had against nazis. its basically the battle that sealed the fate of hitler. after this victory, nazi occupation just started falling apart loss after loss against the allies.

>>737495097
>>737494870
i heard they had hired a famous magician to come up with all the fake army stuff.

>>737495413
Not OP, but Bro are you dumb? They were getting slaughtered on the beach upon landing.

>>737494757
did he ever talk about his time in the military?

ive never met my grandfather, hes still alive but much removed from my side of the family. i read about his time in the war in a book he wrote though.

After Hitler died (which I assume was the end of the war) how was it like the day immidietly after it finished? Were the allies and Germans best buddies? How long did it take for relations to be as normal as it is today?

>>737493493
>mowed down like cheese
An interesting simile

>>737495741
People from ww2 are still alive? Wtf

nazis were fucking dumb

soviets and americans were fucking dumb but had a lot more dumb idiots to throw into the grinder and simply overwhelm the shitty nazis

>>737495804
2017-1945=72
72+18=90
Not that big of a deal. My grandma is 103.

>>737495750
news like this took time to reach everyone.

there where battles and deaths that took place after the death of hitler simply because they didnt know it was all over.

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a dummy aircraft.

completely fake, doesnt fly.

used to divert attention from normandy.

have 2 more pics

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>>737496278
fake tank.
some of these where just regular vehicles with covers on them painted like tanks.

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>>737496362
some fake landers.

dont know how they managed this

>>737496278
Nazis are fucking stupid. If you are doing fly-over surveillance and see this fake army with the same tanks, the same planes, and the same everything and hasn't been moved for a while, you would assume something is up.

>>737495750
Well after the war the US set up a pupper government in West Germany and the USSR set up a puppet government in East Germany. So the new governments got along with their bosses immediatly I expect. Idk how long it took the peoples to get over differences. I dont think the germans and russians ever did. In the early 90's germanies unified.

>>737496362
Well, def looks like a tank lol

>>737495530
To be perfectly blunt, all that dday did was ensure the allies even had a seat at the table when berlin fell. If the landings were thrown back into the sea germany would have lost, it just might have taken a few more years. By the time dday happend the nazis were being routed by the russisans, their defeat was a done deal

>>737496402
Probably lego

>>737496441
obviously they moved stuff around. and its not like these german planes could fly low and see the screwed up details of the fake army.

>>737494440
Stop with this Russian-cock-sucking bait

>>737493493
...you know that's not actual D-Day footage, right? Most beaches, people just walked ashore.

>>737496441
They moved them daily, had speakers make fake noise, semt the camps fake orders, ran fake drills, and even used a handful of real tanks create real tracks in the ground.

The allies were 100% into the deception.

>>737496441
but they did move it - not so difficult with lots of inflatables and balsa wood

>>737493945
Sooo ignoring the canadian and British beaches?....which were more successful...because we used tanks......not our own skulls

>>737496527
a few more years would mean many many more lives lost.

normandy invasion was a huge victory for the allies and saved the lives of possibly hundreds of thousands more.

>>737496489
True.... Today is like it never even happened.

Same with North Koreans and South Koreans... They can't stand each other over something that happened so long ago. If a South Korean goes to North Koreans, I think they're immidietly arrested and labeled as spies.

>>737493493
because America is dominant

can u niggers wrap your minds around the fact that 200 thousand allied forces lost their lives in the battle of normandy?

200 fuckin thousand people in one battle.
37000 alone where ground forces.
jesus christ.

>>737496557
If they did, the pilot would probably laugh his ass off

>>737496641
Bro there is no real footage of Normandy. Only like a 4 second clip that's it. All other have been lost. This is a clip from saving private Ryan which is a kickers movie, especially the d day scene. The guy crying for his mama got me.

>>737493493
because they bombed the coastline with airplanes first.

>>737496708
Absolutely, it was a huge victory but in the grand scheme of things it was unfortunately not nearly as usefull as it would have been a few earlier.

>>737496812
Did you pull that number out your ass? 10k people died in the allied side dumbass

>>737495530
>its basically the battle that sealed the fate of hitler.
That was Russia. Germany was done the moment they literally threw millions of their best troops to the meat gridner in the eastern front.

>>737496527 is correct. The western front attacks only made the fall of Germany quicker, harsher, and gave the British, the US and somehow the French a better position to negotiate. Maybe, if they had stayed back, Germany would have reached some peace agreement with Russia, avoiding complete defeat, and making Russia stronger in the long run.

>>737496708
>>737496982
You two fags are the same type of fags to say the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is good that it happened, because it "saved a lot of lives"

back to back world war champs baby

>>737496994
pulled it out of googles ass actually.

where are your numbers from?

>>737493493
They bombed the absolute shit out of the beachheads first which mitigated the defenses and stopped supply lines.

The allies also had drastically superior numbers.

>>737496636
The funny thing is that the russians beat the nazis on their front, we just joined in flogging a dead horse after dday

>>737497105
war is gonna happen man.

if a battle ends the war, then lives are saved.

The scene from SPR is of the absolute worst part of the landings; honestly the allies had so much manpower and material force they steamrolled the half baked German defenses for the most part by the end of the day; it was the various counterattacks during the following weeks that really gave the allies a hard time in the battle for Normandy

>>737497105
Was good saved lives. Fuck you they could have stopped after the first one. We where tired of building now guns after they got cut through by Japan's katana suiciders.

>>737496725
True, but to their cresit North amd South Korea never made an official peace treaty. The conflict was never resolved like ww2 was.

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Imagine coming home after the battle of Normandy to your wife and telling her how it went down. Must be the best sex you'll ever receive for years to come.

BTW great movie, worth a re watch.

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>>737496812
>Decisive[1] Soviet victory
> Destruction of the German 6th Army
> Expulsion of the Germans from the Caucasus, reverting their gains from the 1942 Summer Campaign

>>737497125
Wikipedia. Look up d day. Allied death is 10k.

>>737496441
Wow must be as stupid as a Down syndrome kid, what the fuck so you think nazis could do? Ask over radio to move the thanks to check if they were real? They had to flight really high to not be shut down dumbfuck... and obviously Americans moved the stuff around to make it look real, is not like the brought the fake tanks and walked away

>>737497184
It's important to remeber that was a part of the US strategy. We didnt want to win so quick that russia could conquer europe. We wanted them so weak they would stop at their polish border. We considered both our enemy, just germany was worse.

>>737497105
I cant really say that nuking japan was the right thing. It ended the war and that was definately a good thing. But it set an extremely dangerous precident that we are still dealing with today. On a whole it would be a bad thing in the long run

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>>737497184
You start spewing out enough facts for people and they're going to start learning

>>737497415
Yea allowing them to occupy all of Eastern Europe and half of Germany was the best plan

>>737497369
i mean, we both used shit sources.

>>737497267

Actually after they dropped the first one, the Japanese accused them of bluffing, believing that America only had the capability to drop a single bomb of that magnitude.
The emperor of Japan then followed that up by supplying citizens with hand grenades and instructions on how to suicide bomb American soldiers with them.

>>737495750
After we defeated the Germans we still had war with Japan.

>>737493493
If only these faggot ass soldiers during the war wore bullet proof Vests, 80% of the deaths would have never happened.

>>737495071
A hundred years from now, you'll be able to go to Normandy and still find shell casings. However, the days of finding anything "good" like a button from a uniform, knife, dog tag, etc are long over.

>>737497752
Kek

>>737493493
>getting mowed down like cheese by the nazi gunners.


well you dont mow cheese so that might have something to do with it

>>737497776
Should have dropped 5 more, to show them thier "bluffing"

>>737496441
Dude this was the 1940's dipshit. They had limited technology and surveillance back then

>>737497948
Those were the only two bombs in existance at the time.....

>>737495804

My grandfather was 18 when he joined the marines, was involved in flushing the tiny islands of hidden Japanese troops. Extremely messy and dangerous work.

My neighbor just died a few weeks ago at the age of 98. He was a bomber pilot flying in the European theater. Before the US involvement he was sent to the UK to help train pilots of the royal air force. He then flew over 20 missions.

>>737497822
A ww2 dog tag costs 100 on ebay... And a Vietnam helmet costs 85. You would expect these things to be more expensive. Guess not.

>>737497776
It was more complicated than that. Remember that this is 1945, communications and information flow is slow and not perfect. At first, the Japanese command didn't really understand the scope of the a-bomb. Tokyo had suffered similar destruction from just regular fire bombings, so a massive super weapon was not the first thing on their minds.

Also, the government was busy trying to ensure the emperor would continue to rule, and would not be blamed. They knew the war was lost and wanted to surrender for some weeks now, but they US wanted unconditional surrender, which the old school military command didnt want to accept.

>>737498023
How many of them bombs do we have today? Or is it classified by the cia.

>>737497343
I don't think sex is anywhere close to what you're thinking of after having fought there.
life-long trauma and flashbacks are more likely

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>>737493493

Some contributing factors I am aware of

--Hitler was afraid of patton and disregarded the western front.
--He was being fed bad information by british spies.(Check out the conman spy who made up a bunch of informants. can't remember name)
--Germans thought that the D-day invasion was just a distraction and didn't send backup for like 3 or 4 days.

>>737493493
>How the hell did the allies win D-day?
God and mowed cheese mostly

>>737498232

oh yeah. Alan Turing.

>>737498197
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons
US and Russia have about 7k each.

>>737498232
British spies really got that close to Hitler, so close they gave him bad info

If they got that close to him, why couldn't they pull out an uzi from thier uniform and kill him... Or poison his tea.

>>737498232
>Check out the conman spy who made up a bunch of informants. can't remember name

Juan Pujol García - aka: Garbo/ Arabel

>>737498467
Holy shit, that's enough to wipe off every single living species on earth.

>>737498577
I'm taking the bait. They did'nt have Uzis back then, Hitler survived 42 assassination attempts . Nor did he drink tea

This seems like a good place to ask this, does anyone know why Russia didn't get to keep everything all the way to the Berlin wall after the end of WW2?

>>737498197
Well first off bombs are a rather antiquated way to deploy a nuke. Not too many 'bombs' these days, missles are king. And to answer your question there are 6800 nukes in the us arsenal

>>73749877
If they did then there wouldve been revolts and riots all over the place. And the allies could have directly attacked them and liberate the east

>>737498762
OK, why didn't they take out thier 2mm kolibri and kill him... Or poison his whatever drink. Also 42 attempts? Odd he survived every single one.

>>737498673
Not really. Assuming most nukes hit their targets, it's enough to destroy most of the big cities in US, Europe, and some other targets. But nowhere enough to destroy all population centers.

Of course destroying those cities would create a massive economical crisis everywhere, but some countries would be pretty ok.

>>737498911
He had his SS guard near him at all times, And i think they wouldve saw the spy poison his drink

>>737498775
If they did then there wouldve been revolts and riots all over the place. And the allies could have directly attacked them and liberate the east

>>737498826
Another curious questions... That's a lot of nukes... Where do they keep these nukes? Military basis in the us?

Also why do we have so many? When was the last time we used a nuclear bomb?

>>737498775
Umm, they did. Up until the early 90s when the ussr fell apart

>>737499053
Cold War... Do you fucks ever read a book when you go through school?

>>737498996
True

>>737498940
Well if the cities are bombed, we will totally be living in an entire whole new world. It will be 9/11 x929882

>>737499101
Why are east germany, poland, romania etc not normally included in the list of USSR states then?

>>737499186
I read goosebumps, if that counts.

>>737499053
Fucked if i know. They are scattered all over the place i would imagine. Some have got to be forward deployed at us bases abroad, in europe and guam etc, others are in subs, the rest are in the us somewhere

>>737499195
And the allies didn't want Hitler dead since if he died then someone more competent would've been in charge

>>737498117
There were lots of them. Rarity is what increases value. That's why a handwritten letter from Abraham Lincoln costs significantly less to own than a handwritten letter from John Wilkes Booth. Lincoln wrote a lot of letters - Booth didn't.

>>737499329
Probably a few advanced ones in area 51

>>737499349
Well... He did die... And no one took his place

>>737493493
Because the rest of the beaches were relatively easy victories and airborne landings were a success.

>>737495101
Best comment in this thread, thanks for that hilarious mental picture anon

>>737499378

Yup... Hitler Mercedes Benz sold for 10 million dollars.

>>737499053
You might enjoy this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y1ya-yF35g

>>737499442
That was at the end of the war

>>737499306
Because ussr refers to the states that were a part of the old russian empire, the baltic states and the stans, the european countries were part of the "warsaw pact" which was essentially a guise to give the impression that they were free states that chose to be alligned with the ussr

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>>737499378
>>737499555
Hitler Benz when it was in use...

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>>737499378
>>737499555
>>737499703
And his Benz today

>>737499596
Added to watch later list, will check out

>>737498124
It was ultimately a case of the US wanting to showcase the weapon to the world, honestly.

There were other, much less deadly options to end the war on the table at the time. The whole "we had to do it to save tens of thousands of American lives" narrative was crafted by the US government and not really true.

>>737498775
In some cases spheres of influence.
USSR got Poland as a sphere of influence in return for giving Britain a free hand in Greece under the 'Percentages agreement'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentages_agreement

>>737499392
All the ufo conspiracy bullshit aside. Area 51 was, and i assume still is, used to test air force projects. I highly doubt any nukes have ever been there

>>737499953
>and i assume still is
It is still an active base, yes.

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Anyone remember this game?

>>737500092
Of course it is, but it has been assumed that much of the work that is done there has been moved to other locations

>>737496641
>You know that's not actual D-Day footage right?
>being this new
Lurk moar before you think people assume HD full color videos of an event from the 40's is legit

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The Allies intentionally let Germans know that the invasion was incoming. However, they used disinformation to trick the Germans into thinking the invasion was going to be at the Pas De Calais... which is why the tanks were not at the beaches where the actual invasion occurred. The Pas De Calais is the most narrow part if the English channel, the allies convinced the Germans they were assembling an army on the British side of the channel by using inflatable tabks, planes, trucks, they basically faked an entire invasion force and let radio transmissions slip through that made the Germans think that is the staging area. Germany recon flew over and saw what looked like a massive force and the the ruse was succeasful. The Germans shifted most of the defense to Calais and the real invasion was very successful albeit with heavy causalties due the the natural defenses of the beach. So you can say they won the day through a great achievement in deception.

>>737500187
holy fuck the nostalgia

>>737500249
Well they are really legit. Show called "ww2 in hd" or some shit has many footage of HD colored ww2 videos. How do they do it, I don't fucking know.

>>737494389
>the 101st Airborne and many others who fought that day
You never said you were talking about one beach in particular, so it makes sense, given that this is a thread about D-Day in general, to assume you mean all of them.
Also, it's "role", not "roll".

>>737500299
I remember storming Normandy in that game... Gave me chills. Great game. Fucking awsome.

>>737500233
It's been assumed that a lot of the work done in your mom has been moved to different locations.

>>737496895
I know it's not real footage. That is literally what I just said.
Though there's lots of footage of Normandy, hours and hours all available on Youtube. Unless by 'Normandy' you mean 'one specific landing on one specific beach at one specific time but that's the only bit Hollywood talks about because MURICA', then yes there's very little left.

>>737498036
That's literally the plot to flyboys.

>>737493493
Numbers and misinformation.

The Germans had to spread their defenses to defend the whole coast. The Germans had a solid defense throughout the whole Atlantic coast, but if you hit one spot with tens of thousands troops you can overwhelm them. You have to reload.

As for the misinformation the Brits leaked false plans for an attack on a more favorable beach head to the Germans. The Germans had tanks inland throughout the west coast. They were to counter attack and drive the invasion back to the sea. German command and in particular Hitler didn't believe the reports of a landing and held their tanks in reserve allowing the Allies to establish a beach head.

The Allies also sent paratroopers the night before the destroy/hold bridges inland of of the invasion point.

tldr, lots of planning and training, plus proper execution of the that plan.

>>737500284
Germans got trolled... And they got trolled HARD. Props to the generals who were in charge of this idea and planning.

BTW you basically summarized everything in this thread in one post lol

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>>737500362
>shit tier bait

>>737500322
I've seen commercials for it a few years ago and I legit wondering how

>>737495964
Besides the Nazi Regime being the bad guys, they were actually quiet brilliant when it came to war strategics. Hitler (and drugged out Göring) were the only ones fucking this thing up for the third reich.

>>737493945
Germany was arguably the most advanced, most powerful country on earth under the third reich.

>>737494440
If by owning you mean absorbing their bullets like sponges, you are right.

>>737500383
>replying to me after an hour
Nigga where u been
>there's very little left.
There's only a couple seconds of it. Nothing else. And yes I mean of the actual landing and preceeding battle above the shore line to the bunkers and onwards

>>737499815
They wanted a real life experiment on how nuclear bombs affected people on a large scale. That's why they used it. Ever since a few centuries, we are being ruled by leftist scientists intent on making the world, their sandbox.

Do you guys think a WW3 will ever happen?

>>737500322
Checked.

Also yeah that's true, I've seen a bit of it actually it's a great show. The Vietnam one is good too. But even though it's in HD it's still not nearly as quality as this movie, is what I'm saying

>>737499921
>>737499700
That makes sense, so basically they took those countries with the Warsaw pact in the name of communism kind of the same way as the US took Japan in the name of capitalism. So they weren't technically USSR but were still under USSR control right? Did that mean that the governing power in say Poland was still the "Poland" government and not the USSR even though they controlled it?

>>737500754
They called them satellite governments.

I've never seen 4chan so interesting in a subject before.

Usually it's trap threads, rate my cock threads, and other autist faggy shit. This is a thread I can stand behind on.

>>737500532
I don't think you know what that meme means.

>>737500726
No but if it does then we're all screwed

>>737500587
Their technology was their down fall. Sure the Tiger tank was the most advanced tank on the battlefield, but they were impossible to repair in the field and constantly broke down in combat

>>737495741
he died when I was young, he left his medals to my sister who was a marine( i'll be joining next year after school). all i know is he was awarded the purple heart and a medal for saving three sailors from a burning room on his ship. I attended his ceremony/party for when he received his medals. for some reason the navy never awarded them on time, and it took my family to write to the navy and finally have them delivered to him. idk how it works, maybe another military fag can explain why someone wouldn't get their medals on time

>>737500858
This is basically /pol/ stuff on /b/ so that's why people give a shit

>>737500621
Sorry mate, I took a shower and fuckin' fell asleep again afterwards (10 a.m. here). I cannot sleep properly at the moment, it's pathetic.
And yes, there's very little of Omaha, but lots of other bits of D-Day.

>>737500284
>>737500484


Oh yeah they were trolled so hard.

The night before the beach invasion, the paratrooper inserted via air drops and gliders. However, before any actual paratroopers were sent in, the Allies dropped dummies, some of them with bombs attached. The Germans reported the explosive dummies and the Herman troops were told to stay away from them. Then, when the actual paratroopers started coming down, the command was so sure that the invasion was going to be at Calais due to all the intercepted information they collected and didn't believe it was an actual invasion, they assumed it was more dummies or just a small diversion from the real invasion at Calais and disregarded all calls for help. The tanks were not turned around until it was far too late and the allies scored another win that would make the invasion easier.

>>737496441
plus British Intelligence had turned EVERY German agent sent to Britain (having one of your agents at the German Spy School and helping write the agents orders is a huge help)

all the German Agents still "reporting" to the Naxis were saying the force opposite Calais was the real one

>>737500895
I'll be honest and dodge the draft. I'm too young to die.

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>>737501066
WW3 will probably end in a nice big nuclear holocaust m8

>>737500984
Lol 5am here, get some sleep Bro, yeah I'll have to look at the other footage on YouTube later out of curiosity

>>737500938
4chan has more boards than /b/ faggot. i think most of come to /b/ for the humor after lurking our favorite boards. this isnt pol stuff its /his/ stuff.

>>737500858
Agree. I wish I could acreencias this from my phone. A very interesting look into the psychology of war. Hedging bets based on pure luck and the whim of the person receiving certain phrased info.

>>737501181
My bad, I completely forgot about /his/, thanks for reminding me

>>737500907
The tiger tank was still a success though. The biggest problem for Germany was the cut of resources they suffered on the eastern front. They basicly had nothing to repair or build new equipment anymore.

What i thought was quiet interesting is the french campaign and the heavy use of drugs to push it that fast. I spoke to a friend of mine studying history that told me that in the past years there has been a rising focus on the use of drugs in the Wehrmacht and SS that played a huge role in their success. Especially Ritalin. Thats assumed to one of the reasons the Germans where able to overrun the french like they did, sleeping less making them able to advance way faster than the french could retreat.

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>>737500986
Damn, another smart move. You can win a war just by being smart. The vietcong were also smart with thier tactics which is how they won.

Also reminds me of this pic lol

>>737500754
They took orders from moscow, whenever there was political protests in those places it was russian troops that put them down, if you are interested in learning more about the cold war you should check out a documentary series cnn did back in the late 90s. It goes from 1946 all the way up to the break up of the ussr

>>737501274
Where did u learn all this stuff. Pretty deep knowledge of what happened

>>737501124
Honestly i sort of consider the cold war as WW3 considering almost the entire planet was involved. Individual battles evolved into individual wars all along the border of the Soviet Union.

>>737501329
wikipedia

>>737501177
There's some cracking stuff. Check out Mad Jack Churchill.
Night mate!

>>737494757
my great-grandfather was at pearl harbor too. however he was japanese. he just sent me a message from beyond the grave to tell you americans. he says, "ah, sank you."

for those of you mind blown by fake vehicles, you should look into americas civil war during I think it was the battle of antietam. lee was marching his soldiers around a big ass hill in a circle so that mclelans scouts would report back that lee had a huge fucking army, but in reality mclelan had a massive numbers advantage. it almost won lee the battle.

>>737501363
I never realized wiki had such intricate and detailed info about these events. I figured wiki would be very general and vague.

>>737501417

>>737501429
Contrary to what a lot of teachers tell you, Wikipedia can be a great resource sometimes

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>>737501417
>>737501417
>sank you
my sides

>>737501329
Wouldnt say its deep knowledge. I am German so i have kind of grown up with that whole part of our history.

>>737501429
>>737501363
Yes Wikipedia is where I get most of my knowledge from. It really teaches you a lot, so it's good to return the favor and donate anything to them when you can since they have no ads. Great site.

>>737501549
How do they teach WWII history over there? Do they dance around some things? I've always wondered

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>>737501417
H

The reserves didn't get sent in to push them back in to the sea. When you have to cover that much front you put enough defenses to keep the other guy on the beach until your reserves get there. That way you can concentrate force on an area once you know where you're being attacked instead of spreading it out. I forget why they didn't end up getting sent in but it was probably some bureaucratic bullshit.

>>737501522
It is always a great resource. Fuck the professors and teachers who say other wise. Almost every single sentence is sourced, and the source is on the footer.

>>737501274
Even if they had all the resources they needed to build the things throughout the war it still wouldnt have made a difference. For every one tiger built the us could make two dozen shermans and the russians could make similar numbers of t34s

>>737501635
I'm not German but i think they own up to everything that happened, unlike the Japanese who deny their atrocities in China for the most part

>>737493493
overwhelming numbers

>>737501745
exactly, America simply out produced the axis

>>737494389
You are stupid.
Stop trying to compete

>>737501752
That's because Germany is now run by cucks. Cucks who take in refugees but the hundred of thousands every year. Cucks who ban freedom of speech and will arrest you if you do the nazi salute.

>>737500726
If it does it will be massive, think of WWI and WWII these were mostly European wars. WWIII will be a mostly Asian war. Replace smaller counties with larger ones. Germany, Britain, France, Italy, Japan in the old wars. China, India, Europe, Pakistan, Iran, Sunni bloc in the new war. Of coarse USA and USSR/Russia were heavily involved in the first two wars and will be major players in the next. We may even be allies again.

>>737501635
Its pretty much guilt driven bullshit. They attach adjectives like evil guilty etc to everything nazi related so the pupil cant take the wrong turn and figure it out himself.

Also we dont really learn anything about the war itself but get shown pictures of the holocaust and how guilty everyone in the Wehrmacht is and how the SS was even worse.

It was actually quiet funny. When i was in 10th grade we had to write an essay about our "family history during world war 2" and pretty much all my classmates had heroes as grandparents. I recall atleast 10 of the 20 telling their grandparents had hidden jews. Bullshit ofc. When i said my grandpa was in the SS on the eastern front the classroom got quiet silent. Hypocrites.

none of the D-day movies depict the beach pushes accurately, probably because they blow their entire budget out before they get to vehicle combat.
but the Allies had tanks coming onto the beaches, it wasn't just waves of dudes getting mowed down.

the first wave probably got mowed down, then Shermans started hitting the beach. once that happens it's over.

>>737494083
Bullshit, America Kicked America's ASS in the Civil War.

>>737501936
Yeah remember when americans were fighting americans and they got destroyed? good times

>>737495804
12yo detected

>>737493493
Russian tactic: they sent wave after wave until the Germans run out of ammunition

OP HERE

thank you guys for the interesting discussion and replies. About to go to sleep now. Learned a lot today. For those who wish to keep the thread going, good luck. Hope it won't 404 soon. Cheers mates

>>737501884
Wow, not too suprised about the whole "hidden Jews" thing but I didn't think they'd show Holocaust stuff since that was some of the most inhumane stuff in my opinion, but I don't know a whole lot about WWII. Thanks for sharing

>>737502119
Cheers mate

>>737501996
America beat the everloving shit out of America And America STILL WON!

>>737502175
The shit that's happening today is 100x more inhumane than anything in the holocaust.

>>737501903
A lot of the dd tanks sunk before they even hit the beaches, especially on omaha and juno

>>737502278
0 x 100 is still 0

>>737502175
The holocaust is everywhere in Germany. Cant get very far without getting reminded. The problem with that is that many Germans tend to see the holocaust as the ultimate evil hence they underestimate shit thats going on today. Like the Holocaust trumps everything and thus there cant be evil anymore.

>>737494992
not Normandy

>>737502343
Pretty cucked mindset.

>>737497105
That's true though, otherwise you would have meat grinder battles and mass suicide of the Japanese population.

>>737502343
It's more like
>the holocaust happened, so we can't be mean to anyone who's not german.

>>737495071
Watch the movie The Longest Day.

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>>737501884
Lol just thinking of those little faggots thinking yeh my grandparents hid like little bitches when those panzers rolled by the house

>great deception plan
the Germans thought the landing was going to be at the much further away from the actual landing sites.

>the Allies had the correct force ratio
on most of the beaches the out numbered them by 3:1

>the Allies controlled the Air
Controlling the air allowed for ground attacks on moving German forces

there is so many more factors also

Nazi Germany was a weak shell of it's former self in 1944 after getting brutally fucked by the Soviet Union

They lost becasue Hitler refused to listen to his generals and move the Panzer division in to assist his overwhelmed forces

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Tfw your gpa will never be the angel of death

>>737498940
dude.. the nuclear fallout of that many nukes, cmbined with the ice-age like weather from all the dust blown up, would probably kill most life

>>737494268
it was bad there because they screwed up naval bombardment fell short and the bombers overshot, the gaermans were dug in and incredibly well drilled.

Have you finished watching the scene from Saving Private Ryan?

D-Day:
american soldiers trained by war virgin soldiers so they got mowed down like cheese
+american paratroopers drowning in the fields behind the bunkers cause of shitty parachutes too difficult to open within 2 minutes
+bad weather for the airforce and so the airstrikes landed somwhere in the fields
= Surviving as an american soldier was like winning the lottery in the first hours

-D-Day success reason was the amount of soldiers and attacks

holocaust:
6 million victims
(most died course of exhaustion)
including around 480k jews
and 22k of these jews got a special treatment (gas chamber or execution)

WW2 ending reason:
-Attack on Russia by Germany and ending the no attack treatment
-Attacking Russia in wintertime
-Hitler wanted to decide on things which should have been deceided by Engineers
like plane equipment , soldier equipment and the guns to produce

nuke:
before throwing-
invasion estimation
us 10k-30k deaths
jap 100k-200k deaths

after throwing-
invasion estimation
us 35k-1mil. deaths
jap 200k-4mil. deaths

nuclear explosion-
230k jap deaths

>>737495592
he volunteered did all kinds of cool stuff made the rolls royce factory vanish so the luftwaffe couldnt bomb it.

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>>737494294

>french gorillas attacking

Like this?

>>737498577
They were going to but decided he was so incompetent riddiled with syphalis high as a kite on drugs it was better to let him live than risk someone competant taking over.

>>737501884
I don't get this shit. Own it. Your grandparents were nazis. There is much to learn from that war.

>>737501903
Can't bring in tanks until you clear the beach of big guns, mines and traps.

>>737501996
Yeah shit ton of whiteys died and the niggers got their freedom. Good times.

>>737504900
The Wehrmacht wasnt even political for the most part. They were first and foremost soldiers.

>>737499442
>no one took his place
>Who is Karl Dönitz

>>737501884
>tfw you did adolph eggler on easter day

>>737501871
Who will be the main aggressor? China?

>>737506893
Wut?

>>737506127
Neither were Waffen-SS. Sure they were more political than Wehrmacht, but they were still soldiers and their main objective was to fight other soldiers.
They did som really fucked up shit on the eastern front, but on the other hand, every army did.

>>737507130
>Think about Archduke Franz Ferdinand. This craziness could start with a war with north Korea. Or it might have already have started, slow style. The borders are less clear these days between Russia and the USA

>>737507393
Yes i know. My granddad joined the SS FlaK with 17 - believing he had to defend his family - alured by the myth surrounding the SS-Elite.

>>737498036
>Implying the RAF needed any help training it's pilots from the US
>Implying the RAF didn't break the backbone of the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain in 1940

>>737509255
actually Britain had already lost the War with an impending invasion by sea. The backbone of the Luftwaffe was broken on the eastern front because Göring went full retard. Pretty much the whole war was decided on the eastern front. West europe would have fallen long before america could have helped anyone if russia wasnt involved.
And i dont even like the russians this is just plain fact.

Btw most of the british defenses could have been destroyed in France while they tried to retreat to Britain but Hitler ordered the troops to stop for 3 days besides all of his generals telling him the opposite.

>>737509255
>Implying it wasn't a cooperative effort.
>Implying implications.
>Implying Implying
>Implying

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>>737494992
yellow circle is actually where d-day went down

blue circle is nonsense.

>>737494529
Other responses forgot to mention the 1 hour bombardment prior to troops landing. Bad weather, bad maps, bad coordinates and some such caused most of the artillery to overshoot it's target. This left the German defence line intact and gave them some warning that shit is about to go down.

>>737493493
>this guy

Alright, I'll explain this.

During the prelude to the battle, french resistance forces mustered up enough men and supplies for sabotage. A spy network had infiltrated the Germans and convinced them they were going to attack directly across the channel.

The Luftwaffe was already weak after the Battle of Britain, and could not easily support the Nazis on the front lines anymore. On that night, French resistance forces stormed several key German locations along the coast, destroying railroads, radio stations, and various fortifications. The supply line of the Nazis was crippled.

Then the 101st Airborne landed.

Despite being scattered and landed in the wrong places, many paratroopers were able to complete their objectives. When the allies landed, both the counterintelligence efforts and the war on the eastern front had taken its toll on nazi defenses in france.

Of course, the soldiers will still heavily pressed on the wide and open beaches, but they were eventually able to storm the installations and travel along major roads, blitzkrieging several towns.

Basically, nazi germany got fucked from the inside.

>>737509468
Sorry but the Russians contributed literally nothing to the destruction of the Luftwaffe as well as the Kriegsmarine.

The invasion of the Soviet Union didn't happen till 1941 and by that time the Luftwaffe had lost most of it's most experienced pilots (most of which already had military flying experience from flying in the Spanish Civil War) and planes in the Battle of Britain.

Russian planes and pilots at the start of the war with the Russians were so bad they literally had to try and ram the German pilots to have any sort of effect. Later on yes, they got up to speed with decent planes such as the Lavochkin_La-5 which had it's first flight in 1942 at which point the luftwaffe was already in a downward spiral. Like you said Goering was in charge and made a mess of things.

In regards to ground war yes you're right. The Germans lost more men at Stalingrad than were killed by US troops during the whole war which speaks volumes. Without the Russian ground effort we would never of won. It was a great diversion in the east.

>>737493493
Because nazis are pussys

>>737510643
Yes. Those SS-Regiments really were scared kids. I mean look how they ran through the countries they invaded as if they were scared of their own shadows.

>>737493493
>They were getting mowed down like cheese by the nazi gunners.
That's not true. Plus the only really hard landing was Omaha beach, but that's because the US fucked up pretty much everything they could.

>>737501302
>adolph
niggers cant even spell his fucking name right

>>737495750
The sad part is that days / weeks after the war, both innocent and guilty Germans were captured, tortured and killed in public as retribution / revenge.

>>737493493
still believing the storming of normandy happened. give me a fucking break.

>>737495530
Lol. Germany basically never had the chance of winning WW II. Once they lost at Kursk it was obvious they are done for.
As the other anons said, Operation Overlord just sped up the defeat and gave the Allies more leverage in power in victory.

>>737495804
I have a feeling, that people who survived a war, keep on living forever.
My grandfather is 95 and still in good shape.
Grandma is almost 90 and she still walks several miles a week.

>>737493493
zerg loose lots during a rush, but their numbers eventually overwhelm the defenders

>>737511173
bullshit. the only thing that cost The Third Reich the war was the cowardly industrialists and crusty old senior military advisors who didn't have the balls to go all out.

if even just half of the cvillians didn't turn tail when things got rough, the war could have been won. fucking cowards.

>>737499349
Not true. There we a shitload of assassination attempts. They only stopped in the last few months of the war, when it was 100% assured the war will be won. At that time Hitler being assassinated would only make him a martyr.

>>737511458
Man there is not a single historian that agrees with you

>>737494529
Its called "Presighting" when you set up a fixed position for a weapon, you make up a range card for it using terrain features, and covering a specific arc from left to right ie,120 degrees. The positions on either side of you do the same, this guarantees that you have interlocking fields of fire and understand and have covered all avenues of approach to your position

>>737493493
You mow cheese?

>>737493493
Because they had 3k ships in front of the coast so that there was no supply or reinforcements for the germans coming in due to naval-bombardement.

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>>737494268
Omaha was cucked by germans because the american officer in charge refused the british amphibious vehicle upgrades because they looked funny. Atleast Montys book says so.

>>737494870
If I recall, this is the "Army" they put Patton in charge of, after the slapping incident. After the invasion he begged Eisenhower for a command on the continent

>>737493493
Thank you Americans! Thank you for jetting International Zionist cabals run the world and flood Europe with African and Arab replacement migration! Thank you!
There will be no Germans, English or French by 2100, all because of your sacrifice!

>>737499053
Various bases around the world. Why ask questions with obvious answers? Building up a nuclear arsenal is important. It stops certain countries from starting shit with us.

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>>737493493
Sheer numbers combined with the airborne assault. Misdirection also had a huge role. It's nice to see someone on /b/ with an interest in the subject.

Do some reading and listen to the eyewitness accounts. WW2 history is my favorite subject.

If you ever get a chance to go to. New Orleans, check out the national WW2 museum.

>>737500669
I wouldn't say their leftist. Most scientist are probably neutral when it comes to politics. They just want to have their resources to do experiments. They do not care for the squabbles of the lesser humans.

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>>737494389
ok, that's twice on the "roll" now. stop dipshit.

>>737509255
>Implying the RAF was solely comprised of British pilots
>Implying the best aces and squadrons weren't even British
What is division 303 and the RCAF training division

>>737500754
The US didn't take Japan because of Capitalism. They took Japan for military reasons and probably oil. The economic aid after the war helped Japan become a capitalist nation.

>>737514257
stop letting yourselves be cucked by fuckin Arabs, Eurofag.

>>737501360
The Cold War consist of several conflicts. However, it was mostly spying between the Soviets and the US. I wouldn't call it a global war.

>>737493493
nazi cavalary was staying at a total different place at north (nazis were fooled by a fakearmy), a good air coordination/Support from the allies , the numbers

>>737501690
I always brought that argument up to my teachers. They told us to only trust sourced websites, except for Wikipedia, despite it being well-sourced and probably more accurate then most websites. The ability to changed articles helps fix mistakes and inconsistencies in an article. A book with wrong information has to be re-released in order to correct mistakes.

>>737510082
>Without the Russian ground effort we would never of won.

I don't agree. The Allies would have won, just not as quickly. The Allied air campaign was decimating German morale, industry, and resources. They were almost completely dependant on synthetic oils and fuels and they couldn't produce enough Tigers and Panthers for an effective counter offensive while we were churning out hundreds of Shermans a day, then up-armoring and up gunning them to the E2 and E8 versions. Eventually we would have fitted the 90mm from the Jackson and Hellcat if we had to.

And let's not forget Pershing

>>737512279
Heeeyyy fellow military fag!

Someone knows their deliberate defense!

>>737515094
not the guy you answering to but; after all these years i still dont get it why they didnt kill hitler earlier.

>>737515292
Rah>>737515348

>>737515094
>And let's not forget Pershing

The tank, not the General

>>737515348
Me too. The only think I can think is... why kill a idiot when he might be replaced by someone competent?

>>737515379
Hooah

>>737515379
>>737515516
?

>>737515516
well fuck. haha

>>737515690
Military thing... you wouldn't understand

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>>737493945
let me red pill you

>>737515348
>>737515442
Read
>>737511549

>>737515094
80% of Axis casualties in Europe were on the Eastern front. That's a lot of soldiers, supplies and equipment. Without the Eastern front, the Allies would be facing the full brunt of Axis forces. Not to mention that for the USSR to stay out, they would have to surrender to Germany or even ally with them. That would be a massive boost to the Axis industry.

>>737515701
You kik bro?

>>737515730
because i wrote "they didnt kill him earlier" and therefore not correct because he actually killed himself?

>>737515838
You never want to take out the enemy leadership before the war ends... it causes chaos and unpredictably. Better to deal with the Devil you know. It's easier to anticipate their actions.

>>737494083
Ya'll keep forgetting that USSR were the ones who kept the nazis occupied enough for a second front to have its full effect.

>>737515747
Lol so true. Some archive this i gotta go but it seems interesting

>>737514864
It was a proxy war; mostly fought in Asia and central/south America

>>737501274
There is truth to the use of drugs, look up D-9. This was an experimental drug cocktail given to Luftwaffe long range bombers for alertness. If I'm not mistaken, it was about 2mg Cocaine, methamphetamine, and a relaxant such as alprazolam.

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I am so proud of /b/ right now...

Imagine that, a civil discussion without retards.

>>737517091
fuck off

>>737497387
Hate to be 'that guy' but it wasn't really the Americans doing all the deception and prep for the invasion, it was the British and Commonwealth forces. The Americans were there to take part in the landings to bolster the numbers and not much else.