So how does /b/ respond to The Luke Skywalker Argument for transgender

>>737053585
Nothing wrong with calling a trans by the pronoun they want, but your logic is shit.

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>>737053585
I imagine that sounded like it made sense in your head before you typed it all out. Go back and read it again.

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>>737053585
Go ahead. Call him a female.

>>737053744
>>737053791
it's not my logic, it's theirs. Some faggot (guy) wants me to call him "she" and "her." I refuse. I met him as a guy, he looks like a guy, he sounds like a guy, and he has a cock. So I'll refer to him as such.

He said that if I have no problem referring to Luke's prosthetic hand as "a hand" (even though it's not a regular hand), then I should've have problem referring to him as female (even though he's not a regular female).

>>737054232
Looks like "she" swallowed a damn Rubik's Cube.

>>737054290
*then I shouldn't have a problem

>>737053585
I have never heard this argument lmao, do tell.

>>737054290
tl;dr
>Your tranny friend wants to give you a HJ with his robotic arm or something?

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>>737053585

>>737053585
What happens when you fap too much.

>>737053585
I wonder if he masturbated with that hand

>>737053585

Reality. It's as simple as that. Look between your legs and if you see a penis you're male. If you see a vagina you're female.

Maybe you are a particularly effeminate man. Maybe you're a gay man. Maybe you like wearing women's clothing and maybe you trying to pass yourself off as a woman but it doesn't change the fact that you're a man.

Telling a transgendered "female" that they're female is no different than telling an anorexic that they could still stand to drop a few pounds and they look good this way. It's the same as telling Michael Jackson that he had a more plastic surgery work to do if he wanted to look normal. You're reinforcing their delusion. Stop it.

>>737054290
It's a bad analogy. "prosthetic" is an adjective. It's still a hand.
The proper analogy is that rather than calling him a "mentally unwell dude", you just call him a "dude".

>>737054537

the proper term is "transdroid" friend, anon

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>>737054290

A hand is a hand. A man is a man. A woman is a woman. Robotic/prosthetic in this sense is an adjective not a noun.

So call it a guy. Also stop typing because your shit's all fucked up and you sound like a fag.

>>737054884
>if you see a penis you're male. If you see a vagina you're female
Until you pay someone to fuck your shit up. Chromosomes never lie, though.

>>737053585
Third genders, fourth genders and beyond are all as real as Star Wars.

>>737053585
if you have a penis i dont see but you look exactly like a woman, i call you she/her.

if you have a bulge, adam's apple, masculine body/face, then ill call you he/him

>>737055070
>Chromosomes never lie, though.
This a million times.
We should just put chromosomal designations on public restrooms and be done with it.

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>>737054884
Having a prosthetic hand and calling it a hand doesn't change the fact that it's a prosthetic.

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>>737055278
Simple solution is simple, m8.

>>737055278
B-but, what about the 0.05% of people who are genetically intersex!!! REEEEEEEE!!!!

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>>737053585
call them she. but insist she also call you My Lord as you identify as a titled English member of the aristocracy.

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ITT retards getting worked up about shit that doesn't affect them in order to feel better about their own shortcomings in life.

I love how 4chan is full of people who know exactly how to make society better and improve the lives of transgender people, better than the trans people know themselves.

Keep it up guys!

>>737055122

3rd and 4th are real, if you are born biologically sexless or intersexed.

>>737055994
most trans aren't even trans, they're just fucked in the head by sjws and identity crises

>>737053585
the first part is a shitty fake-geek explanation of spotlighting in communication

the last sentence doesn't follow from anything before it

>>737056130
>biologically sexless
how

>>737053585
Luke Skywalker actually has a prosthetic hand
Prosthetic hands really exist

A tranny male is not a woman
gender theory isn't real

>>737053585
If I go to a restaurant and ask for Coke but they bring me Shasta cola, I'm going to be more than a little upset.

>>737056246

Some unlucky bastards are born with nothing, the gonads never form. They are left with undifferentiated gonads where ovaries would be, and everything else is unformed or stopped in the very early stages. No vag, no dick, just a couple of pre-gonads that have to be removed because they tend to develop cancer.

Most end up picking a gender to identify as once they get a little older, because it helps to fit in.

>>737056853
Last I checked, sex is determined by the xy sex-determination system

>>737054884
Ysssssss

>>737056130
>3rd and 4th are real
Like, what, 0.000025% of the population? Fuck off and KYS. Random birth defect/mutation does not constitute a "gender."

>>737056853
Even then, they have either male or female chromosomes... XY-based or XX-based. Additional chromosomes or partially missing chromosomes are abnormalities, but they're still either male or female, genetically.

>>737057062

Sex is the phenotype, the normal expression of the sex chromosomes. Obviously, there are abnormal expressions.

>>737056853
>Most end up picking a gender to identify as once they get a little older, because it helps to fit in.
It's still the same shit as a fully functioning guy "choosing" to be female instead. They still have an XY chromosomal makeup that's one way or the other. They're born either male or female, they're just born with reproductive organ defects. Jesus fucking christ, snowflakes gonna flake...

>>737057112

So what your saying is that gender is synonymous with what genitals are between your legs, except when it isn't. Gotcha chief. I hope your persistent ignorance and desperate need for simplicity helps you feel better about yourself.

>>737057423

I'm not the one spazzing out about something that doesn't affect me. Why are you so sensitive about this?

>>737053585
I'm fine with "he/him/his" and "she/her/hers" but what infuriates me is the autistic faggotry of demanding I use some made up word to refer to a mentally diseased autist

>>737057260
>phenotype
Gonna be honest with you, phenotype confuses the fuck out of me

>>737053585
>The Luke Skywalker Argument
da fuq

If it's technically correct, people shouldn't be immediately offended by it.

>>737053585
Because it isn't enough for them to say what they are, they want everyone else to acknowledge their special snowflake status Honestly I couldn't give less of a shit what you call yourself, what matters is what you DO. All stupid ass (modern) feminists are having a tantrum over irrelevent shit whan you consider the fact that there are places where women are actually oppressed(middle east, africa, some parts of asia) but they want to sit on their asses and complain about bullshit because it's easy, and and helping the women in those countries would be hard

>>737053585
because declaring yourself something doesn't make you that thing. Your chromosomes decide your gender, and neither surgery, or wishful thinking will change that.
You are the gender you were born as.

>>737057552
>I'm not the one spazzing out about something that doesn't affect me. Why are you so sensitive about this?
The final argument every SJW snowflake defaults to when losing.
Except, it does affect me, and the society/civilization I'm a part of as a whole, but you won't accept that argument.
>My dick curves to the left rather than the right, clearly I'm an additional gender than everyone else (even though my chromosomal makeup blatantly proves otherwise).
Soon the whole LGBTQIAPK-whatever will include enough letter to actually spell "SNOWFLAKE," and then eventually the entire alphabet PLUS newly created letters you people pull out of your asses because how dare someone be told they have to be represented by one of the 26 letters in the old white man's alphabet, right?
Fucking KYS...

>>737057260
No it isn't, it's based on one chromosome being different, therefore it is genetic, physically speaking anyway, it's part of your genome not gene expression.

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>>737053585
it's an unnecessary and convoluted argument.

If Matthew wants me to call him Matt, I'll call him Matt. If he wants me to call him Jennifer, I'll call him Jennifer. He wants me to refer to him as she, same thing.

It makes someone else happier and more comfortable and costs you nothing.

>>737057981

Yep, you got triggered. I think it actually does affect you. Fap to one too many trap threads?

>>737053585
or you could just simplify matters entirely and refer to them as delusional

ie

My delusional friend

My delusional relative

My delusional acquaintance

That deluded thing over there

>>737058127

A list of things more fun and interesting than going to church. What a coincidence...

>>737058127

the funniest one is postmodernism

>>737058266

They right about Twilight tho

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>>737058127
>cyberpunk culture
What the fuck? I fail to see the link there, most cyberpunk stuff has nothing to do with magic or the occult with the exception of Shadowrun

I hear more bitching and whining coming from /pol/lacks than I do from actual gay people and trannies.

Congrats, you've outfagged the fags.

>>737058453
Because religious people are known for their rationality,

>>737053585
This bullshit is so played out. Go find some porn

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>>737058127
These guys have been reading too many Chick tracts, but hey Mazes and Monsters is a far out game

>>737058146
Now you're just making a fool of yourself. You came on strong, trying to take the high ground of biological/medical/social fact, but as your errors are pointed out more & more you rapidly fall to "dur hur you masturbate to traps."

>>737053585
You can only control what you call yourself
You cannot control what others call you
>Unless you live in a super cuck state like canada

If push comes to shove, refer to him as "neurodivergent" and nothing else

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>>737053585
>I don't get why this is a transgender argument
>this just proves that transgenderism is a mental disorder
>trying to force others to accept you is the same as me forcing your mom to give me anal when she doesn't want to
>trying to force others to accept you is the same as a feminist telling everyone she is free and equal, but then demands more pay for less/no work
>trying to force others to accept you is like saying everything in the world should be gray because that way you will be accept unconditionally, even though that's not how reality works, nor will it ever simply because nobody is ALSO you
Facts: If you have a Penis, you are male. This is science. This is fact. This is reality. If you cut your dick off, you are not a woman. You are a mutilated male. Even if science ENABLES YOU to have a womb, you are still not female. You are a male who spent a lot of time and effort to be something else, in the same way an actor pretends on screen. At the end of the day, everything underneath, augmented or otherwise, remains the same.

You need help. Your friends need help. And you need to stop pushing your self-loathings onto others.

>>737058127
>If Matthew wants me to call him Matt, I'll call him Matt. If he wants me to call him Jennifer, I'll call him Jennifer.
Hence why we as a society are plagued in a self-induced way by having "celebrities" who choose to be called "Tila Tequila" and then perpetuating it ourselves. No, that is not her name. No, I will not call her that.
This entire mental state has recently culminated in the whole "we wuz kangz" mentality.
It's the snowflake mentality. It's the gold star the unionized teacher who voted for Obama puts on your drawing even though yours was the shittiest one in class.
"You can be whatever you choose to be, at any moment you choose, anon..."

>>737054232
This fag's a shit example. Blair white, some tranny who actually fucking passes, rips on "her" constantly.

>>737054884
Being transgender is a mental illness, we agree, however the only treatment for it is to transition into the gender you identify as. That's it, there isn't another way to cure it and with your refusal to call them by their proffered pronouns you are actively going against their treatment. I'm not saying you need to, Western society is based in freedom, after all, however, pretending to be the party that is looking out for the tranny's well being is dishonest.

>>737058912

You didn't "point out" any errors. You responded to facts with misconceptions and ignorance, then threw a little hissy fit. All that's left is to make fun of you.

I mean, is there really anything I could say that would get through your wall of derp? "Muh civilization gonna fall cuz uh the trannies, Imma victim!" Yeah, real good argument there, that let me know you're too dumb to hold a serious discussion with. You getting weird feelings because you jack it to traps is the most charitable explanation for getting so worked up over trannies.

>>737059304

>"I suck at life so I have to blame society for my own failures"

fixed

>>737054537

still gay

I don't give a shit about what thesus' ship was made out of as long as it can float it's a boat.

>>737059229
The ground lies in the middle, there's genetic gender that cannot be changed (at least not yet, who knows maybe they'll make a gene therapy or some shit) and there's social gender which is honestly redundant because I don't care what people call themselves because it's mostly irrelevant anyway, but they want all of society to pander to them/give them special treatment and that's fucking ridiculous. What you say is irrelevant it's what you do that matters, and these feminists do nothing but complain about stupid shit which means they're doing less than nothing

>>737057630
The need for additional genders isn't a mental illness, it's just a cry for attention and a way to fulfill their weird need to be special and quirky, despite not being special or quirky.

What even in the name of Jesus is this?
Like, it's not like the prosthetic hand wanted to be called a prosthetic hand or a hand, it's not like anybody cares. It IS a prosthetic hand. It also IS a hand. The only argument I could see coming from this is calling Transgenders "trans women" or just "women". Like, "haha guys hey look since a half-brother can be called a brother that means that transgenders have a mental illness because they want to be called women." What? I don't give a shit what side you're on for the transgender argument just provide some actual arguments jesus christ