What is your biggest realization you've had on psychedelics?

I've realized who my actual friends are and have learned quire a lot about myself. Psychs have opened my eyes to what the real world actually is

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i mean, pre-faggot doesn't make much sense...

>>736582737

Realizing who your actual friends, been there. Damn I've seen many fake people on LSD, it's incredible

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>>736582615
that the tree wasn't spelling "rage" to me in its leaves, the rage was in me all along
also eat less than a garbage bag full of mushroom caps on July 4th, or you will be trapped in an aztec patterned WWI trench hell

>>736582615
I learned how to deal with sad emotions and how to help others with theirs.

I realized nature is pretty cool, fuckin acid lol

First trip was doing 150 mics.
struck gold with the quality and ended up having a hyperspace experience where i left all physical and earthly feelign behind.

It was pure bliss for a moment free of fear or doubt. I just realized that every human being deep inside feels the same (except sociopaths and those kind of people) .

Everyone wants to be loved they way they are and not feel alone also return this feeling to be happy.

This is when I changed my lifestyle and stopped being a negative influance to anyone im interacting with.
Even if people dont like me or are insulting I cant be botherd and wish them a nice day

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>>736582864
I learned to deal with the body odor of like 5 other dudes staring at the same lightbulb tripping balls in an 8x10 bedroom

>>736582615
>biggest realization
Sometimes it's better just to keep your mouth shut and not worry about tryin to impress random people

I watched the sunrise and for the first time realized I was actually watching the planet turn

shit was cool bro

I realized that I was okay with being alone sometimes and I don't need people constantly around me to make me happy. I always felt sad and thought I was a sad person, but it was really only because I wanted approval, and deep inside I really am a happy person. Now I actually prefer tripping by myself. I made that realization listening to that end-guitar theme from spongebob, it felt fucking awesome

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>>736583028
also, salvia will just make me increasingly more terrified of my bros turning into rotating hexagonal monkeys on top of a chessboard skyscraper, while gravity continually shifts 90 degrees
never again (except for 2 other times that day)

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>>736583120
also if you sit on the beach on shrooms you can see africa if you squint
squint for long enough and you can ride a zeppelin constructed of trashbags there

>>736582615
realized that the actions we chose to engage in are the result of millions years of evolutionary decision-making-tuning, and that we have absolutely no free will, only the ability to observe ourselves acting.

I cut myself and willed my blood to immediately stop flowing out of the wound.

>>736582615
my mom and sister are responsible for everything wrong in my life

I dont want to study and get a career but I cant think of anything else to do

adhd is not why Im not doing well in college, its because all I want to do is get high and play overwatch and nothing in the world will change that except maybe adderall

everyone is literally retarded and Im the best person in the world, im also dumb but im still better and less dumb that everyone else

I was able to sense how time is a construct and there is no time. Only a momentary wave that we ride on. And though our thoughts occupy an imagination of the past and future we can never truly be there. Only in a present space, infinitely devoid of time.

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>>736583350
the biggest bluepill of them all: the universe is cold and mechanical

>>736583350
we might as well have free will because we literally cant predict anything at all 100% of the times

>>736582615
That our perception can be controlled

my first trip was amazing. thought about the meaning of life and weird shit like that.

second trip was horrible. felt like my head was going to explode and made some dumb decisions

>>736582615
>we're all just people man
most genius thought I've ever had

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>>736583472
youre doing it wrong you fucking sociopath
kys

>>736583120
That's deep as fuck. God damn.

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>>736583472
Delusions of grandeur, maybe theory is correct

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Just that I was reaaaaally fucked up. And after I thought I had more or less sobered up I tried to watch some TV and the faces were doing crazy shit

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>>736583562
>math
deal with it

>>736582823
how do u know who is fake?

>>736583472
Narcissistic cunt blames everyone else for his being lazy as fuck and pretends he had a profound realization. Sad.

>>736582615
Drugs are bad.

>>736583532
If the bluepill is the universe being cold and mechanical, then is the red pill the universe being warm and alive? Or are you just dumb?

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>>736583697
you got the melty faces too? I had to retreat to my darkened room after that, where I was forced to rebuild myself from floating naked particles of regret
being reborn in a timeless dark vacuum was not preferable

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>>736583808
no, the redpill is that there is no redpill, only the bluepill, you were deluding yourself with the concept of choice in the first place

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>>736582615
that we don't know shit about consciousness, and made me rethink the possibility of foreign intelligences (aliens/gods), mostly on DMT

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LSD made ne question if I am more than my physical body,

DMT confirned it.

>>736582615
That I don't like other people, myself, or video games. And to see the beautiful things in life like nature.

>>736583719

It's just easy to tell, it's hard to put words on.

Almost everything that I have realized, I can't put words on. It's just there.

Idk if it's deep enough for you but at the time it hit me like a ton of penises.

>be me tripping on peyote
>first and unfortunately prob last time
>realize what I just ate is dying/dead plant matter
>in my blasted mind understand that my trip is essentially the death of this plant.

I was experiencing the life and death of another organism, by consuming it, that most wouldn't ordinarily think of as a particularly active life such as our selves. But through this realized that it is indeed a very rich and vibrant life that those organisms live even though they hardly, in our minds eye, ever move physically.

>>736582615
Back when I was trying to deny I was trans, I tripped, and ended up feeling more like a girl cross-dressing as a guy than a normal guy.

It was super bizarre, and hung with me for a while. I tripped again, and realized that if the people around me or the things I'm doing are making me miserable, I'm wasting my time with them, and should do something about it. I started hormones 3 months later.

That no matter what I do with life, I might end up homeless or I might end up rich, but either way I'll be living. So I may as well do what I enjoy and chase my dreams.

Haven't done psychedelics yet but gonna be trying shrooms for the first time next week. Really hoping I learn things about myself I never knew and expand my perception of things. These things sound really deep, I can't wait to experience it.

>>736583913
I'll respond as if you're serious because what you're saying is really dumb. Red pill and blue pill are from the Matrix. One is accepting the lies to be cozy, the other is seeing things for what they truly are. One cannot exist without the other. There can't just be a blue pill.

What you're saying is there are no pills and there is just the illusion of being "woke". You can't say there is only one pill, because then there are no pills at all. You mean to say both pills are fake.

>>736583634
>>736583696
I really am better than most people in ways that I can explain, I dont mean that Im literally the best person in the world because im too smart to make an absolute claim like that

im better than most people because:
I know I can be wrong so I never pretend to fully understand anything
I can tell bullshit
even if im better than most people I know I pretend I have a low self-steem because its more advantageous
I accept my many flaws and even if I suffer them, I can be objectively positive

overall im a more objective person than the average and that makes me less stupid and better than most people
I would give my life for 2 lifes because its objectively the best thing to do, also I wouldnt because I dont give a shit everyone else but myself and how I feel (this is the same for everyone in the world whether you understand it or not)

also everyone says my dick is nice, and I think they are honest most of the time

The world is too subtle

>>736584183
Same

>>736584133
>do drugs
>like woah man, i'm a chick
>permanently go on body altering drugs because your head is screwed up
You fucked up.

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>>736584183
go outside, its happier there
don't do it alone, even pets are better than no one
remember this

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If you zoom out on large enough scale, beyond galaxy clusters & super clusters. We eventually find structures like the Sloan Great Wall and such, even the object causing the effect we call, The Great Attractor.
Once you visualise the universe on THAT scale, fucking holy shit

Pic unrelated

>>736584265
>permanently go on body altering drugs because your head is screwed up

how do you unscrew it tho?
with body altering drugs silly

you cant cure dysphoria yet, there's a pill or so ive heard but passing is a real treatment

>>736582615

1. I know what my spirit animal is now and it's pretty cool.

2. The stuff I imagine in my mind on psychs is so much more vivid and complex
than I can do sober or dreaming, I'm certain that I'm tapping into a power bigger than myself.
Thus, there is some kind of bigger meaning that we are a part of, and that's pretty cool.

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>>736584217
Nice b8 m8 I r8 8

>>736584373
there is no way I can say this politely, im sorry but you are dumb

>>736584307
I wanna be around my best friend (tried other drugs with her for the first time and I feel she's the best person to be around) but I have some questions (sorry for kinda derailing the thread with stupid questions to an extent)

Should I be paranoid being around someone doing shrooms for the first time?

Is it true they make you feel really sick and fluish (vomiting and shit)

ahaha havent read anything yet but my peak on a 400ug trip is coming REAL soon and then i see this im so happy ohahahah

>>736584133
>starting hormones and not therapy

I'm not trying to derail the thread, and you probably don't want to hear this as it is too late, but you're not a girl. Taking hormones to augment your body and shit does not change who you actually are and cannot turn you into a real girl. You should get help and try to figure out WHY you feel like you're a girl. Hormone treatment is blue pill as fuck. You're keeping yourself happy for now, until the inevitable wake up of ageing hits you and you realize your body has been turned into a fucking mess and you kill yourself. It's unfortunate and hopefully not too late to stop.

>>736584203
>>736584203
I'm saying that the bluepill is all there ever was, moron, and your concepts of knowledge, action and choice ("taking the redpill") are meaningless and mechanically constructed by the laws that bind matter and energy, which you are beholden to but terrified of

also: don't explain a movie from 1999 to me, newfag

>>736584265
I'm not the one that posted it but I believe that being trans is an illness and because there is no cure to it we might as well allow someone with the disease be healthy emotionally and become a functioning person of our society.

>>736584217
I refuse to believe someone this deluded exists. Gr8 b8

>>736583655
I saw this too will riding
It's best to try it in a decently hilled area, and watch the sunset on a sparsely cloudy day

Fucking beautiful man

That movies are fake so fake i cant enjoy them anymore, and drugs are best made by nature not man.

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>>736584217
>I really am better than most people
righto
get help

The fact that race, sexuality, religion and gender issues are all social constructs designed to keep us fighting ourselves rather than the system. And that this has been ongoing since the dark ages.

>>736584439

No way I can say this politely,
I feel sorry for you.

>>736584442

No need to be paranoid, but some people can get extremely paranoid on it.

My friend once took my wallet to confirm I was who he always have known, and started thinking that I was a terrorist, stealing credit cards, killed my parents, etc..

Not trying to scare you at all, he is a VERY paranoid person in general. But he was also smoking weed, which not a lot of people can handle on psychedelics.

Never puked on a psychedelic, even on 10g shrooms or 1mg LSD.

>>736584372
It's a treatment like a band aid. Have you ever seen a trans person in old age? No, they all eventually kill themselves from breaking down, or seeing what mess their bodies turn into because no matter how many hormones they take it can't "fix them and they stop being as effective. It turns into a mess of a human being.

These people need real treatment.

>>736582615
That op is biggest fagit in universe

>>736583784
Drugs can break mental barriers and accelerate progress in emotional healing and work if used sparingly and with a purpose in mind.

If you just abuse them because you're a hippie and want to fuck with your senses all the time, yeah, drugs are bad.

>>736584169
Chasing my dreams shattered my already broken home.

>>736584265
1) it had been a lingering thought since I was a kid, but I pushed it back because I was ostracized for not being enough of a boy. The trip kinda dredged it up.
2) There was almost a year between trips, so I had plenty of time to think it over.
3) I can reverse all of it right now if I want to.

>>736584467
?
Blue pill is that I don't have to transition. I tried to convince myself that for years even before tripping; I was sjw non-binary shit in high school. Red pill is that it really wasn't ever a choice.

>>736584639
Yeah weed could contribute to that I usually get paranoid when I'm stoned but usually over stupid social things like if my friends really like me or shit (never anything like you said) but I feel that's normal. My friend said it made them feel sick and they had to hold down vomit but idk, I'm excited to try it and see where my mind goes and the conclusions it comes up with.

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>>736584442
don't take too many, you'll be fine physically most likely
just remember to talk, and take it easy, if you get too quiet you'll start to feel guilt/turning inwards
my experience at least
don't feel bad about the comedown, things will be normal again, which is good too

>>736584481
You're still stupid as fuck. I don't know how I could have been clearer. There never could have been only one pill. That makes the whole pill scenario invalid. And then "oh dude it's all matter and energy" makes no sense here.

There can be either both pills, or you trying to say there are no pills. Call me a newfag because you're too dumb to understand this, solid argument.

>>736584493
Hormone treatment does not make them permanently healthy/happy. Eventually their bodies will face reality in their middle age and they breakdown as a person. It's a sick thing to do.

>>736584801

Important thing is just that you just observe. Try thinking about it when you trip. Just observe.

It makes the trip really powerful, that you can just observe whatever happens. Let go.

I think that was my biggest realization, to let go and just observe whatever happens in your head. It's a fantastic tool for when things go south fast.

>>736584378
>>736584530
>>736584593

thats the worst part, its not even b8
im enlightened, I have a higher level of understanding
and let me tell you, everything is the same and you are as bored as before

the advantages are;
you dont get angry like ever
you cant suffer from extreme emotions like sadness
you know you are better than everyone else even if you dont feel like it

but also those are the disadvantages, whenever I feel sad/angry/proud I feel alive and I never feel any of those things unless something connected to my past, like my pets, dies
the more time passes, the less strong emotions I have

I can rationalize anything that is rational, I can tell bullshit from truth and not always because there is no absolutes

I always hold a very miniscule amount of information that makes me better than everyone else and it doesnt change a thing because im human and we suck

>>736584451
stay hydrated anon, good trip

>What is your biggest realization you've had on psychedelics?
>Stupid LSD monkeys go on to post things I realized when I was 10 as if they're some sort of big relevation

>>736584639
>1mg acid

That's insane dude. How'd that trip go?

Took spice and saw cartoon land where I thought everything that ever lived or died was gone because of my mistakes and as I saw my hand turn into a skyscraper, a 360 parallel view of green swirled around me and I thought "I am suffering but everyone never existed, this is hell"

>>736584605
I do think that id be happier if I was dumb like you, and its very little that keeps me from doing it
I dont know what it is but it would only take for me to believe in magic to be happy, I just cant

>>736585028
>when I was 10

when you were 10 you didn't know shit and wanted to be an astronaut or firefighter

anything you thought then was only right by coincidence, not cause you were smart

>>736584782
>Started taking hormones =/= transitioning

You're fucking up your body bro. I say this coming from a place of empathy here. You may be happy for now but you need a long term solution.

>>736582615
While on DMT I had the realization that all matter in the universe is conscious only in difference degrees and humans are the manifestation of that consciousness at the highest degree. About a month later I picked up a copy of Schopenhauer's 'The World as Will and Representation' and after reading it I realized that what I was experiencing was the Will first-hand.

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>>736584992

>>736585179
I hate this kind of stoners

they get high and they forget they are high

The first trip i had i started to fall asleep and my whole family was in my current appartment just looking at me... luckily my gf was there to wake me back up

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>>736584865
the importance of the metaphor is that one "chooses" the redpill in the first place, an alternative source of knowledge hidden from our senses
this obviously escapes you
the bluepill is the universe as we observe it, which is all that actually is, no secret levels

>>736584992
>>736585028

Samefag troll or potential best buds?

>>736583655
lmao except the earth is flat. what you were witnessing was the small and local sun moving just as it appeared. But your brain has already been chained into the system.

>>736583100
>I am impressed on this realisation.
I really am

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>>736584957
Usually the reverse happens. If you want to see what happens when you try to convince yourself that transition will make you miserable, google susan's place.

>>736585145
You seem rather insistent about this belief, but the reality is that you lack even anecdotal evidence. I'm not convinced.

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>>736584992
the xenoestrogens from all that weed are making you passive, faggot
man the fuck up, almost everyone is better than you in some subjective way, you're just choosing to obsess over what you consider your only defining attributes

life is meaningless

>>736585097
>I just cant

the problem is that you think being strictly rational and objective is smart.

real smarts comes when you understand that two seemingly contradictory things
can be true at the same time.

>"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."
>F. Scott Fitzgerald

BTW, The "F"s gotta stand for Fuck.

>>736585283
potential best buds

I do feel the kinda the same

did you know that words mean nothing?
whats a tree? when is a tree a tree? would trees change if its definition change? of course not

>>736585037

It's hard to define how my trips are now.

I always smoke weed on my trips, it amplifies it in a way that's out of this world.

My most intense trip was on 180ug, with weed.

The 1mg was actually one of my most calm trips I've had, I was just thinking about how everything are nowadays. How we as humans have "evolved" into what we are now, topics such as how we get food, how we have "destroyed" our "nature". Like we go to a supermarket to buy food, while we hunted to live, how we worked for life instead of working for numbers.

Off-topic:

My 180ug trip haven't "beaten" any other of my trips.

This was my first trip on LSD ever.

>do 180ug with a friend
>wait 1 hour
>disappointed.jpg
>we rolled a joint
>went to the beach and smoked
>took a few tokes
>coughed like never before
>went into a trance state instantly
>we started laughing about nothing
>whatsgoingon.gif
>we went back to our tent
>tries to get inside
>we stand outside of the tent
>we can't get inside
>realitystartslooping.gif
>we kept getting into an actual loop
>"man come on let's get in"
>tries to get in
>keeps coming back

We almost had the exact same trip story, of what was going on inside of our minds.

>>736585268
But there are two pills. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

1) Both the blue pill and red pill lead to the same outcome (completely unbelievable in the movie sense because the whole pill situation would be pointless)

2) You would always choose the red pill, thus making the blue pill option pointless

3) There is no red pill and only the blue pill as in there are no greater things that what is observed (completely impossible in the movie since the opposite is what happened)

I'm trying to understand what you're saying here.

>>736585389
>almost everyone is better than you in some subjective way
yes
I am bad at most things and the things im good at, there is always someone better
in an objective way im worse than a lot of people in many ways

>you're just choosing to obsess over what you consider your only defining attributes
yes because I can, as long as I dont feel like Im wrong
if I do then I will find a way to feel good and like im right, because otherwise why live

>>736585291
If the earth is flat how can I travel straight east and continue in that direction until I reach back where I started??

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>>736585457
even shakespeare got this one
>"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"
language is the lens through which we construct reality, remove that lens and shits pretty weird, like an animal sees things

Jesus is a euphemism for the blue in our green.

>>736582615
i was at day 3 of a festival and lost all of my friends around midnight; i'd been popping shit since 6pm. over the course of the night i ate 1-2g of what i thought was molly but probably wasn't because i wasn't smart enough to test my shit when i was younger. ate 2-3 tabs of goooood acid on top of this, and i had a mixed bag of weed and hash that i had ground up before i went into the venue.

loaded up a particularly big bowl of the weed/hash around 1am and started smoking it with a few people around me. soon after smoking it the ground disappeared and i started hearing sounds from everywhere. i couldn't see shit and could barely control my own body but i stumbled my way back to camp, ~1-2 miles from the stage that i was at. a few people asked me if i needed help but i couldn't do more than mumble unintelligible shit as i walked past. i wasn't sure what was real and what was in my own head, but i'm sure i was experiencing a great deal of psychosis because people were talking shit about me and saying deeply personal shit that only i would know the whole way back/while i was in my tent until it wore off.

this was the worst trip i ever had, and the main reason i only do uppers once a year at that same festival. i drink as well, but never smoke/trip while i'm tweaking and everything works out just fine. i've given up stronger psychedelics completely, but i still smoke a little weed at the end of a night every few months.

>>736585453
>the problem is that you think being strictly rational and objective is smart.
I do

>real smarts comes when you understand that two seemingly contradictory things
can be true at the same time.
like for example that I (think) am smart and also objective and rational
irrationality and subjectiveness can exist inside of rationality and objectivity

I dont know why some colors work together, to fully understand it id have to understand everything related to colors and I just cant, but I objectively know that some colors work together even if I dont know why

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>>736585575
omg I just can't
the whole fucking point is that there even are two options to begin with
what I'm obviously implying is that, in reality, not a fucking movie, there is only one option, not some secondary magical source of esoteric knowledge
goddamn autist here

>>736585254
>T. Hasn't had enough realizations about the universe

>>736585360
If someone's body can be permanently changed by hormones even in old age (70's and up) then I guess you're right. But still it's like an anorexic, you have a delusional belief. Anorexics see their body as something it's not and trans see their "soul" or identity as something it's not. If you want to stick with hormones and that really is something that can work throughout your life, then that's good for you. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that trying to find out why you think this thing and how to "fix" it is important. I don't know.

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>>736585630
continue to enjoy this path, since you can just sit around and understand whats true and false without any actual experience, you must be done living

>>736584992
Reason is in permanent sharing and most people live as if they possess a particular reflexion. Unless you have a memory of this impersonal reason, when you speak from your personal thoughts you lie. Being enlightened is part of spirituality which is an umpteenth time a syncretic tinkering where people who tries to seek this branch of unrevealed religion think they are more clever because they had visions, they live a reality different from others. Which is in the end nothing less than narcissism. Get your shit together, open a book of Marx or Hegel

OP here, forgot to state my own

I realized how little we matter, how we don't have any point of being here. Seeing it as the bigger picture.

It calms me a lot thinking about it somehow, that we just exist, we're just beingness, and what we know is in the end just an idea we've got of whatever.

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It is possible to view yourself via 3rd person view

>>736585097
>>736585453

BTW, the guy you called dumb just quoted F. Scott Fitzgerald
in a way that was relevant to the conversation.

So, chew on that.

>>736585179
what was the dose you took anon ?

>>736585457
Shakespeare beat you too that buddy. Maybe your psyche is so insecure that it deludes itself into taking profound thoughts you hear and keep in your subconscious and making you think you're the one who came up with it. Like that South Park episode with the fish dick joke and Cartman.

>>736585669
ikr
people make it harder than it should
it takes no effort to be honest and say things how you believe them to be, or to accept a message as it is
people insist on applying their feelings to everything

>>736584217

How are you better? It's just an idea YOU have, sure you're better to yourself, but in the end you really aren't. It's only an idea you've got of yourself. You simply don't matter in what we know as the universe, everything you know is totally worthless. You just exist.

>>736585909
Do some more and you'll realize how important we are.

>>736582615
that it's okay to be myself no matter what the situation is

>>736585948
well, I can tell fallacies when I read them
so I dont care

>>736586026

I don't think we're on the same frequency then.

I've done my part of psychedelics.

What purpose do we have? Think about it, what is our goal? Where's the part where we're in our goal with the universe? Nothing that we know of, we're beyond it, we wouldn't be able to know.

>>736585894
Dont ever open a book by hegel, please, that dude was dumb as fuck.

>>736585790
Yea but in reality people can delude themselves into thinking something that's not true to remain comfy. Like people in abusive relationships who convince themselves it's "their fault". That is blue pill, red pill is realizing the abuser is just fucked up and yourself is being emotionally manipulated.

Through this one example, you can see how both blue pull and red pill exist in real life. Therefore it is possible for red pill / blue pill to exist for other scenarios. Do you agree with this or no?

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>>736585989
>>736585669
hivemind
homework: look up sapir-wharf hypothesis

>>736585935
That pic is cute af

>>736586163
I don't have an answer as to our goal, that is far to big a question for any human to comprehend.

All I know is that despite our size we are an extremely important phenomenon in the universe, just our rarity and fragileness proves that. Another friend of mine had the same opinion as you did after tripping, that we are insignificant in the universe. I simply don't see that.

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>>736586233
sooooooooooo dumb
like no one ever showed him math or something, still can't figure out how this guy thought a universe with infinite variables could be remotely predictable by components of said universe (humans)
pretty good tongue-in-cheek shitting on him in Hail Caesar

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I took a ton of mushrooms and became two people in my mind. I had conversations with myself for hours, never knowing which one I actually was.

when I looked in the mirror I saw evil. I felt like I was looking at a demon.

Everyone that wants, join our friendly community, mainly about spirituality and drugs.

It's moderated.

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>>736585894
Hegel I'll give you, but Marx? Jesus Christ anon.

>>736585989
>Shakespeare beat you too that buddy
everything im proud of, someone made it better
I mean nothing in any scheme

I wish I was the first one to do anything, but I ultimately know that I wont care if Im remembered but im hoping that I will
if I wouldnt even try to care then I might as well be dead

>Maybe your psyche is so insecure that it deludes itself into taking profound thoughts you hear and keep in your subconscious and making you think you're the one who came up with it
maybe, im honestly scared that that might be the case
I dont matter at all and thats a fact

if I am a genius why am I not like a genius? why dont I have an immediately recognizable trait that makes me a genius?
maybe geniuses werent really geniuses and they just were the first people, I like that thought but I dont think I can believe it

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>tfw I can't find xtc anywhere in my city

fuck me.

>>736586051
well, for example, I wouldnt mind giving you half of a sandwich and be your friend
could you say the same?

>>736586527

Onions and coins :)

>>736586243
That has nothing to do with you pretending that you came up with an idea Shakespeare and probably other philosophers before him came up with.

You say "look up this fancy sounding hypothesis" to try and reassure yourself that you're smarter than us and know what you're talking about. But you're not dude and it's ok to admit that. Sapir-wharf hypothesis was in my freshman year first semester of college in a comm-1000 class that I had to take as an elective. It's not as profound as you think it is and is irrelevant to you pretending you came up with grand ideas. You have to resort to referring to that, once again not even your idea. You just know about it like every communications major in the country. I'm starting to doubt if you've ever actually tripped with an ego that big.

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>>736585851
also, what your'e feeling is not in actuality the truth, but an emotional phenomenon known as certitude, or the feeling that one is right.
you're just getting off on your own neurotransmitters, to no real effect

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>>736582615
I learned don't try to buy orange juice while tripping. My hand got absorbed by the touch screen on the self checkout machine and the a ugly green witch employee asking If I needed any help.

>>736586363
You just don't WANT to see that. You can't accept that humanity is just a 1/infinity chance of occurring in an infinite universe, and that humanity is destined to have some special purpose. I don't believe we are, but who am I to tell you we aren't? Just getting some alternative ideas out there to spark a conversation.

>>736582615
>took shrooms with girlfriend by the harbor
>was walking past a regular tree with a bunch of black stones under it
>the second i stepped on one of the black stones my vision became someone elses
>was looking down at my shoe just like in real life only the second i my shoe touched one of the rocks i was a girl staring a moccasin instead of my shoe
>girl looked up from her moccasin and she was at a beach and instead of sand it was all of those black round stones
>she looked out at the sea and was longing for something
>was very short but for that time i couldnt see anything but that vision of the girl
> took over my entire sight and all i could see is what she saw
who is that bitch

>>736585894
>when you speak from your personal thoughts you lie
understanding this is what makes me better

>Being enlightened is part of spirituality
I dont believe in ghosts but I do believe in metaphors, whats closer to enlightment than a realization that changes everything? even if everything feels the same

> Get your shit together, open a book of Marx or Hegel
why would I, I dont trust anyone but me
when you speak from your personal thoughts you lie so why would I trust those guys

>>736586458
Set your a prioris aside regarding Marx, and without the marxist prism read some of his works : Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844, A contribution to the Critique of Political Economy, The Poverty of Philosophy, please do anon, because that comment is from someone who never read Marx, I can tell

>>736585851
I dont fully understand anything and no one does
how am I wrong? this is a real question Id like an answer too, your opinion might make me change my mind
im open to that posibility

>>736586479
You're honestly scared about the psyche thing being the case. That's a GOOD thing anon. Look deeper within yourself and try to figure it out. Reflect back on past experiences with this critical lens. I think I used to be similar to you until I did the same.

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Was tripping on shrooms with a childhood friend of mine.

Listening to some trance music & talking all philosophical, y'know?

I asked him this question,

what is happiness?
>Is happiness waking up grateful for another day of opportunity?
>Or is happiness going to bed happy with the choices you've made?

He's a Christian & told me that it's better to wake up knowing you're blessed with another day of life, while I said it's better to fall asleep content with how you spent your time

>>736585041
WORST TRIP I ever had was on Spice, you poor soul

>>736582615
I have always been the universe... always... we are all connected

When less intense I find myself back at a place that feels like my childhood. Free of critical thought, being jaded, or worry.

I realized that plants are shaped in a way that allows them to pick up signals from aliens and relay them to us.


A lot more where that came from.. but when it comes down to it all i really know is drigs make me a fuck up so I work hard and life is getting pretty good for once.

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>>736586599
I in no way laid claim to any of these three men's ideas, thats why I fucking cited them, numbnuts. only pointing out that they are connected to the importance of language in how we perceive reality, which seems to be a commonly experienced realization of psychotropics, not that shakespeare had access unless he was eating ergot unintentionally

but by all means, mr. egoless, tell us about your intrepid academic endeavors, we are all salivating here to know more about your 1000 level courses you barely passed

That literally no aspect of life matters in the big picture. Really relieved some stress for me.

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>>736586728
I'll accept whatever I observe. What I observed about the universe is that it os a huge fucking place, and although we are small the very fact that we are here experiencing it signifies our importance.

I feel like many people who contemplate the universe do so without seeing the big picture. All they see is the infinite nothing without realizing that they themselves are the something.

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>>736586966

>>736586784
Native American spirituality

>>736582994
I need to stop teaching and criticizing so much
Im going to try and be that person again

>>736587095

Why not just be? That will be your true self.

Be your true self, anything else is just a facade and an idea you've got of yourself.

>>736583100
My biggest realization on acid as well. Dont gotta let myself get outta hand to impress strangers that'll forgot my name anyways

Most of the time, people don't care about what you're gonna say and you're better off just keeping your mouth shut.

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>>736586880
what you are taking is a very rational and scientific perspective. This is okay, but only if you feed real data into your mind. Working with the same limited set of data and coming up with an abundance of conclusions which seem right feels correct, but once you start living and having new experiences (data) your conclusions will change. Thus, you cant be right about things sitting on your ass in a vacuum

>>736586797
That's because some people are humble enough when they write, they do not express their personal thought, they express the real motion of History. That's why Kant is a narcissic guy and not Marx or Engels. Your purpose in life is to be better than or just to be ?

>>736582615
Persinally. That I am God and God is not dead.

>>736584217
Please end your life never speak to me or my board again

>>736583472
Do you live in texas? I feel like i know you anon

>>736586945
>doesn't acknowledge that he still has not come up with a single original grand idea
>points out information irrelevant to this argument
>resorts to insulting instead of proving me wrong

This conversation isn't about me friends, and even if I supposedly barely passed my class while still understanding the hypothesis you remarked on, how is that relevant to you pretending you come up with grand ideas?

Honestly have you ever tripped? Because your ego is huge. Not trying to insult you with that, but it's true.

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I realized that my true self is the watcher/choser.
Previoiusly I was stuck in a downward spiral where negative emotions defined me. Those emotions also affected my physical self and made my body feel bad as well. Now when I live as the watcher/choser I realize that my true self gets signals and ideas from my physical and psycological self that I can control and chose from. I am no longer a slave under my thoughts. Thank you oh great liberty cap!

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>>736587061

>>736587371

Sounds like you've had great benefits from these great tools :)

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>>736586599
>That has nothing to do with you pretending that you came up with an idea Shakespeare and probably other philosophers before him came up with.
why isnt it a possibility? we have access to practically infinite amounts of information, and there's 7 billion people in the world
it could happen and it does all the time, with so many people probably not even shakespeare was the first

>You say "look up this fancy sounding hypothesis"
yes
>to try and reassure yourself that you're smarter than us
maybe, I did it because I wanted to. I dont know if my intentions can accurately be put into words

it was something that I realized at some point on my own, I dont know how much merit I deserve
I mightve heard it before even if I dont feel like I did
it doesnt matter anyway, I dont matter

>But you're not dude and it's ok to admit that
I know and I agree, not because I feel its true but because I think I should

>Sapir-wharf hypothesis was in my freshman year first semester of college in a comm-1000 class that I had to take as an elective. It's not as profound as you think it is and is irrelevant to you pretending you came up with grand ideas etc....
I am not >>736586243

I don't want to be that guy spamming links, but seriously it could be nice with more members in our community!

JOIN OUR COMMUNITY, WITH TOPICS SUCH AS SPIRITUALITY, HARM REDUCTION AND DRUGS IN GENERAL

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>>736586999
People are important because they are the universe experiencing itself. It's a pretty cool thing desu.

In an infinite universe tho, do you think mankind is the only channel through which this happens? Are there other consciousnesses out There? And what would make humanity more important than those other consiousnesses?

>>736582615
Let go of a part or my past.
Accepted a part of my errors.
See my uncle, like when i was 10.
At the end of the trip (LSD) i saw my reflection in a glass, i was an happy granpa. I feeled like how hard life can be sometime, it would be worth it and i would live an happy life at the end.

I'm going to the vet in two hour to put my dog to sleep. This thread is nice, it helped me changing my mind. Thanks op.

>>736586899
>Look deeper within yourself and try to figure it out. Reflect back on past experiences with this critical lens
I do that
you could also consider that I might be right, consider I said

The point of life is to live life

>>736587158
>you cant be right about things sitting on your ass in a vacuum
I dont intend to

>>736587332
nope

>>736587136
What if your true self is being an asshole? I don't like that and don't want to accept/embrace that. If I have to put on a fake persona so everyone I interact with can continue being happy is that a bad thing?

That my LED candle is actually a bomb placed by the ISIS

>LSD

>>736587267
God is in all of us

>>736587540
When I said we were important I didn't mean merely because we were human but because we are conscious enough to observe the universe.

Other life forms with this trait are equally as important

>>736587554

Sorry about your dog :(

Remember it's a part of nature, and it most likely have had a fantastic life. It lived life, it got to experience it.

Take care :)

>>736583730
I wasnt serious
my mom is the reason why I made such an effort to be rational, If I thought that I deserved her fucked up bursts of rage then I mightve went insane
my sister also has them, recently she lashed out on my because she is nervous about college but now I know how to deal with it

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>>736587650

You wouldn't have to accept it being your true self.

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>>736587344
lol bro I destroyed my ego like a decade ago, gl trying to get under my skin on that one (repeatedly)
how do you not understand that I am simply pointing out the shared commonalities between the ideas being expressed here, rtaher than claiming ownership? I even went as far as to attribute credit to the progenitors of said knowlege
your unhealthy obsession with ego is telling, especially because you are so wound up with the idea of the ownership of thoughts
get your fucking head screwed on strait, all I'm doing here is talking about how other people have had similar thoughts

>>736587331

as far as we can tell, im objectively better than you

>>736587508
I'm not saying you didn't discover these things on your own, maybe you did. The point is that you are not the first person to do so and will not be the last. Therefore you are not so much more special. Try to reflect on humanity and yourself more. If you have to, trip and break that ego. The ego is something that I don't know enough about to talk about, but having it broken lets you see things in a whole new way

>>736583523
this was me. however I came to this conclusion after going through only what I can explain as 3 second time loops. Time felt different to me, although it was constantly flowing. This made me realize everyone is technically experiencing time at a different rate, although they see the same things as you and I

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>>736587777
yes, people sometimes experience bouts of aggression when they aren't paralyzed in a cannabinoid stupor
take a fucking walk

>>736587586
"The ancient Oracle said that I was the wisest of all the Greeks. It is because I alone, of all the Greeks, know that I know nothing"
–Socrates

Genuises don't brag about how they are geniuses and build up their ego. Other people acknowledge their genius. Narcissism is a powerful thing and something to be skeptical of.

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>>736587709
not me, nigga

>>736587718
Do you think that merely observing the universe is enough to make us important? Eventually humanity will end and all of it will have been for nothing. Do you just find comfort in the fact that the event of the universe observing itself got to exist at all, and we were able to participate?

>>736588120

> Genuises don't brag about how they are geniuses

People are very different.

That sentence is more used than Google, and it isn't really true.

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Nothing as 'universe-realizing' as this shit, but I was lucky to have a profoundly connecting/romantic trip a while ago.

Tl;dr is that there's a close-knit group of friends who live together and there was some really shitty drama going on (involving myself) at the time. I had an anxiety attack so bad the day before that I passed out in my own vomit while totally sober. So the trip could've gone either way; Parachuted 4 caps of good MD, three drops of GOOD acid and smashed a couple cones within the span of an hour.
First proper acid trip with visuals, too, so it was pretty great.

I had been fucking the one friend for a few months, confessed feels to them, gotten rejected, then had them turn around and say "I'm sorry, I fucked up. I just have some hangups. Let's give it a go." the day before the party, which was a part of this drama with the entire group.

Spent the whole night avoiding one friend who had a crush on me and kept getting right up into my face/real fucking touchy, and having this insane, deep telepathic communication with the FWB.
Night culminated in me cuddling for twelve hours.

Everybody else now hates me for breaking the other friend's heart and I'm not allowed back at the house; But on the upside, I'm dating the FWB now and it's like the lovey-dovey aspect of the trip never wore off.

>>736587942
>The point is that you are not the first person to do so and will not be the last
>Therefore you are not so much more special

when did you hear me disagree with this?

whats the point of me saying things right now? there is none, I just do it because I want to
I want to say that I only said things I believe to be true (subjectively, by me). maybe I didnt but im saying that I did and its your choice to believe me or not

I dont matter, I thought of interesting things, I think those two things are true
I will never claim they are because I cant and no one can
I say things because im an animal and I dont understand why I do anything, Ive been programmed to do what I want so I do what I want (not literally anything. everything is a balance, you want not to be in jail more than you want to rape for example) even if im not sure why

>>736587777
Checked

>>736587844
Why not? You said to embrace your true self, then said you don't have to embrace your true self. I don't think I can change myself either.

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>>736587627
>I dont intend to
>>736583472
>all I want to do is get high and play overwatch and nothing in the world will change that
okay, overwatch then lol, hope you at least main lucio, faggot, you might help someone or be remotely useful

>>736587848
People have similar thoughts. Yes. So don't pretend like you can claim ownership of thoughts.

>>736588354

Being your true self.

Being mean or whatever you mentioned before, is just an idea you've gotten of what you think you are.

Simply just being, letting go of everything, will leave behind whoever/whatever you are

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>>736588242
really is true, actual geniuses are, to a fault, highly skeptical of their own conclusions
genius isn't always inspiration, but rather highly developed error-catching and meta-analysis

>>736588234
>Do you just find comfort in the fact that the event of the universe observing itself got to exist at all, and we were able to participate?
Pretty much this. I don't pretend to know the full extent of our purpose but I know play an important role in the life of the universe.

>>736588120
>Genuises don't brag about how they are geniuses and build up their ego
not even once?
what about the "–Socrates" part?
or how about the part that talks about how wise he is?

im as wise as socrates because I failed school
this is a anonymouse board, nothing I do here will remain with me once I close this tab


>Other people acknowledge their genius
geniuses dont care about what people think
people are dumb

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>>736588179
O shit waddup

>>736582615
that nothing matters

>>736588373
ur wrong but you know that already

>>736588453
>literally giving credit (by name) where credit is due
>claiming ownership
I'm done, are you fucking drunk? you realize that you are talking to 2 different anons? fucking retard detected

>>736588522

There's different ideas of what being a genius is. Who's the one to define?

Personally, being a genius is hard to define, since I can't make it give any sense.

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>>736588558
woooooooooow
pleb level intelligence
ever heard of "standing on the shoulders of giants?"

>>736588716
what do you mean? elaborate

>>736588643
well, I'm talking specifically about a useless lowlife like you (mercy is also a good choice)
I'm torbjorn 24/7, tactical placement ftw, but that would take skill/intelligence, too much for a bitch like you

>>736588498
I'm mean in that I always look at things critically. Everything and everyone. I can't be happy. I don't know how to fix that or if it even can be fixed. I don't know how to let go of everything and I'm not sure if I could go through with that if I did. It would be destroying myself and rebuilding anew.

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>>736588700
cool word salad, genius
read more

>>736588810
I mained 76, pharah, ana, reinhart, lucio, and more recently mcree
I play with the hero I play best at that moment

if im high enough I am honestly good, if im not then I suck ass

>>736588542
If the universe will end, humanity will end, eventually entropy will run it's course. Why will we have mattered, or anything? Our role's purpose can't change the inevitable, no matter what it may be.

>>736588970
because things wont matter doesnt mean they dont matter now

you are going to die but that doesnt mean that you want to kill yourself, right?

>>736588558
Well shit, the -Socrates part. I think he was just relaying a message from the Oracle, it's impossible to tell whether he was bragging or not.

What is the definition of genius anyways.

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>>736588765
if you actually get off you ass and read cover to cover biographies of "geniuses" they are ALWAYS more interested in the accomplishments of their predecessors and contemporaries than their own work, and pay due respect to the giants of their field, upon whose work they build

possibly the smartest man in history:
Isaac Newton in 1676: "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

>>736588844

It's an idea you've got of yourself by everything you're surrounded by.

"I can't be happy", you feed the thought. It takes time to realize, a lot of it. I just realized it a week ago, how much you actually feed a thought. You don't let yourself be happy when you're sad.

If I was sad, I kept thinking "Why am I sad, how do I stop it, I'm sad" - Let it go, let it be completely. Just let it flow in your mind, along with everything else that presents in your consciousness.

Be true to yourself, be honest. If you're absolutely 100000% honest to yourself, what prevents you from being happy?

You need something to be sad, not happy.

Look up "Mooji" on Youtube, you won't regret it.

The first time I ever had a realization of myself on acid was after 325 ug. A shit ton of bong rips later and I realized how codependent I was (girlfriend wasn't there) and how unhealthy it was to be so codependent. I've since been able to work on it. It can be a great drug for just a great time but if you look into yourself a bit on it it can really help you out.

And as for the dumb fun example of acid, last time I tripped was camping with my best friends and it kinda just made me feel so loved and love them all, not that I didn't already love them but it was just nice. That and tripping on acid is my favorite way to listen to music.

I've only shroomed once but that was years ago when I was young and I didn't really get much out of it other than dumb fun but I would love to do it again and use it as a tool to better myself. Interested in DMT too but also pretty fucking scared lol. I'm able to let go pretty easily with acid because it's very familiar now but DMT just seems like so much. What do you guys think of it?

>>736588645
Anon chill, we're all friends here. Let's just all experience life together.

Science is a bunch of bullshit (~2009)

>>736587777
What I love about this thread is you can really tell who has had the experience that allows them to just be ok and let go. versus fighting for opinion on an anonymous message board.

Good reply. Glad you realized it and can go forward.

>>736589034
It kind of does. It would destroy my family tho so I can't bring myself to do that. Even though we'll all be gone soon enough, I don't want to ruin what they have left. Maybe that's why things have meaning even if they will eventually cease to exist. It's to enjoy it while it lasts.

I think I'm understanding your thoughts and I'm glad I do.

I have not read the thread cause fuck that. but im tripping on acid right now actually. kinda coming down but cant sleep.

I always take acid when im going through changes in my life (usually break ups) and it really makes me feel better.

something about stepping out of "real life" for a night and just having fun with some friends makes me really get past the negative feelings break ups bring.

>like this chick canceled a date i had tonight
>first date since i broke up with gf
>feeling kinda down, took some lsd with friends
>boom, instantly better.

this shits amazing. but i feel like im wide awake and its 4 am

>>736589081
>I think he was just relaying a message from the Oracle, it's impossible to tell whether he was bragging or not.
well, the quote ends with - socrates and not - oracle

>What is the definition of genius anyways.
how much does it matter?
it will always mean different things to you and I

geniuses werent really relevant to the conversation until you brought them up, I never claimed I was one
I proposed I might be, I likely arent as I said
it wouldnt change anything but it means a lot to me

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>>736589085
a contender for close second: richard feynman, loved other peoples shit so much you couldn't even keep him contained to his own department, where he invented quantum electro fucking dynamics, more accurate than realtivity in experiments

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/surely-youre-joking-mr-feynman-richard-p-feynman/1122993533?ean=9780393316049

>>736589315

Not trying to bring you down here.

Try not to make it escapism, and try to get to the point where you can do that sober.

I agree, acid is indeed a great "escape"/tool to do such things. But reaching it sober is a great "power" to possess.

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>biggest realization
dont let the world bring you down off of your natural high

>>736589089
There's a lot of reasons I'm not happy: anxiety about the future, regret about the past, dissatisfaction with the present. The best thing to do would be to try and make peace with all of this, but it seems too big of a task for me right now. I appreciate the responses though and will keep Mooji in mind.

On 2 grams of mushrooms I realized that we are just animals. I knew this before taking them but just never really gave it any thought.

I was staring at myself in the mirror with my mouth open a bit. It reminded me of a stupid dog or deer. I just looked at my dead dyes and realized I don't have a soul.

I had slight BO for some reason and it made me think about how I'm a male in his prime age and that on the plains I'd probably just fucking reek and woman would judge my fertility or some BS by it.

realized chasing my dream of being a youtuber is a lost cause and i should give up

realized that was bs when i hit 100k subs in a couple weeks following that trip

dont believe everything your brain tells you on psychedelics, kids

>>736583472
MILLENIAL SCENTED BAIT

>>736589254
>you can really tell who has had the experience that allows them to just be ok and let go. versus fighting for opinion on an anonymous message board.
I dont know why I do it, it possibly is for a selfish reason
it might make me feel like the bigger person

>Good reply. Glad you realized it and can go forward.
honestly, thank you
generally nobody acknowledges or appreciates if I give up willingly and it does feel nice

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>>736589343
>the outrageous exploits of one of this century's greatest scientific minds and a legendary American original.Richard Feynman, winner of the Nobel Prize in physics, thrived on outrageous adventures. Here he recounts in his inimitable voice his experience trading ideas on atomic physics with Einstein and Bohr and ideas on gambling with Nick the Greek; cracking the uncrackable safes guarding the most deeply held nuclear secrets; accompanying a ballet on his bongo drums; painting a naked female toreador. In short, here is Feynman's life in all its eccentric—a combustible mixture of high intelligence, unlimited curiosity, and raging chutzpah.

sound like someone who thought everyone else was dumb?

>>736589110
I would love to get DMT, I don't think there's anything to be afraid of about it. Maybe I'm just dumb though. Acid is very enjoyable though and cam be great for introspection, but you need a good environment to do it in for how long it lasts.

>>736589438

There's a huge difference between getting a random realization.

Break it down, don't just stop at "Not possible to reach x amount of subs", why wouldn't it be possible?

>>736589438
what's your youtube?

>>736589425

Just try to keep in mind. Try to not feed the thought, let it move on.

When it makes sense, it's gold.

>>736589400
i get what your saying. and yeah with time im sure i could of done that on my own.

im glad i did it though, i rarely take lsd and tonight was a nice reminder that my friends are fun and life aint so shitty

>>736589254
It's not fighting for an opinion, but having a conversation and trying to understand each other.

>>736584082
unappreciated response

>>736582615
The importance of anything is completely subjective.

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That's my reality is very much my reality outside my mind who knows what the fucks going on but it seems the universe has a long ever existing plan that is going off without a hitch. No one can evade it or deny it, the universe is playing with you, me and everyone and thing other than us to bring this whole this to some end. What it is we will never know in our life time.

>>736588234
Not the person you asked, but think on it this way. I see your side clearly - it is valid.

If I was say...the owner of the milky way )just walk with me for a second). What would I consider valuable? Gold is very abundant....any element or thing might as well eb abundant.

Now life, in and of itself may or may not be abundant

Intelligent life may be more rare by tenfold...but even then...dolphins, elephants, octopus....they cannot use tools, they lack a fully evolved society that allows ideas to travel. It is different than humanity. It may limit their consciousness somewhat (I do not personally know enough to know)

Now - as much as I love cats and dogs...do they have freewill? Or are they just bags of conditioning? Are most people just bags of their conditioning? Does everyone have a soul?

And if we say that no, not everyoen does...but in just the right conditions...concious minds of a certain intelligence can "pop" and develop free will and a soul just as life can pop in from complex chains of carbon.

While it is equally plausible that the universe is meaningless...it is equally plausible that if the above is true....human life would be considered very valuable. and be considerd perhaps a rare thing worth preserving....or monitoring closely.

please forgive my typos, spelling, and general ranting nature.

>>736589085
>read cover to cover biographies of "geniuses" they are ALWAYS more interested in the accomplishments of their predecessors and contemporaries than their own work
then im not a genius, by that definition
I never claimed I was, I proposed that I might but likely arent
you might be a genius, you likely arent
I am more likely to be a genius than you are imo

> and pay due respect to the giants of their field, upon whose work they build
paying respects is dumb
it only affects what people think and they are dumb

>Isaac Newton in 1676: "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."
I stand on the shoulders of everyone behind me, I am the product of everything around me
Ive accomplished nothing
whats your point

I realized drugs are fucking dumb

the end

>>736589337
It ends with -Socrates because it is Socrates saying what the Oracle said. The Oracle herself isn't keeping tabs on everything she said.

Why does being a genius mean so much to you?

>>736589687
thats only becuase they potentiate your dumbness
if you were smart they would be cool