Hey /b/ In a relationship with a Christian. He wants our kids

force them to go and save them from going to hell

No.736118162

Hell doesn't exist though, so what are they really being saved from

Why did you have kids with someone before discussing important shit like this?

>>736118231
hell

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>>736118162
>This

>>736118063

Dump him. Christians and any other religious people should suffer endogamy little by little till they dissapear.

>>736118063
tell him being gay is a sin so it doesn't matter anyway.

>>736118162
>>736118784
What if only people who go to church go to hell?

>>736118063
Have you had kids with him already?
If not, leave his culty ass.
There is no legitimate reason to indoctrinate kids.

>>736118063
vehemtenly stand your ground.
Go with an ultimatum, say you don´t want anything to do with the kids education and raising them, if he doesn´t accept that the children should not be indoctrinated

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If you love your children you will care about their eternal soul

>>736118854
found the atheist beta!
"M-muh class"

>>736119040
>>736118922

Found the retard.

>>736119028
>If you don't behave in a specific way and believe specific things, an all-powerful man in the sky will do horrible things to you and I'll let him do it.
You have an odd concept of love anon.

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>>736118063
He's a cult member. And it's a mental disorder he wants to spread to his children in order to support his delusion. You're fucked.

Should of hooked up with an Aryan man and not a greasy shitskin who worships Jews

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>>736118601
Maybe she got preggo by the priest and you know, abortion is a sin.

>>736119071
I may be stupid, but at least i'm not as stupid as you.
I mean wow, you actually make me look pretty damn smart. Just saying. Oh, but no worries, your genes won't spread anyway so the rest of us have need not worry about it.

Honestly, though. Way to be closed minded, people can belive whatever the fuck they want. Both theist and atheist preachers (such as yourself) can go eat a dick. They are both too close minded to realize there is no certainty and arrogant to assume their own views are infallible.

You're the reason Athists are commonly depicted as neck bearded fedora wearing balls of lard.

>>736118063

Former christian here.
There are some good churches filled with decent people,
and some pathetic churches filled with selfish assholes.
The louder they pray, shout, condemn others, the more assholes they are.
Nothing wrong with spending time with the decent people in a spiritual environment.
If you want the kids to be free from religion,
just make sure they get some other viewpoints at other times.

But going everyday, that's fucked up man.
That's like religious home schooling, and that shit's no good.

>>736119361
Reminder that Muslims are outbreeding everyone.

>>736119370

tl;dr

>>736119438
case in point.

>>736118231
No proof hell doesn't exist you just want to think it doesn't just like Christfags want to think it exists.

>>736119411
i whole heatedly agree and it goes both ways for the atheist preachers too.

>>736119477
I want to think Bigfoot doesn't exist too.

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>>736119411

Oh, one more thing.
The stronger a southern accent the preacher has,
the worse church it likely is.

Because whites have lost their faith and have not followed gods commands to go forth and multiply

>>736119471

I don't usually waste my time reading stupid ideas from a random retard on the internet.

Deal with it, you're retarded, and you won't ever be able to realize it.

>>736118063
tits or gtfo

>>736118063
I would not be with someone that I would have known was like this before i decided to get impregnated by him.

You set this bed slut, now deal with it.

Let's see those tits with a timestamp.

saged

>>736119581
you're just continuing to prove my case though.

>>736119542
There are animals thought not to exist until they do. If Bigfoot pops up one day what are you gonna say?

>>736119659

I guess you won this internet fight. You can go out and buy yourself something cute.

Atheism is just an excuse to live in sin. Repent gods mercy is unlimited.

>>736119024
Couldn't find any reference to "vehemtenly" try again retard.

>>736119664
>If Bigfoot pops up one day what are you gonna say?

Um, does it go with a good mint sauce?

>>736119691
Hard to tell when you read slower then a grandma can type my friendo ;)
I guess your mental facilities follow suit too.

>>736118063
>go to church every day
I'm calling bullshit.

>>736118601
We're still just dating

>>736118854
I would because he's _that_ type of christian that forces their beliefs on him if he wasn't literally perfect in every other way imaginable.

We agree almost completely politically, he's nice, charming, sweet, and cute, and he's a total sub.

>>736118865
We learned that the statements of sin regarding homosexuality was a mistranslation of the bible from original greek to english.

In Leviticus, the old testament, the original greek word was arsenkoites, which basically means same bed. Bed was often used as a term for sex, and there was the confusion, and which was why the translation error happened.

The banning of having sexual relations with multiple people was in retaliation to Pagan traditions of idol worship and sex with the men that held the key to the house of that god that you wanted to please. It's the same reason why having hair shaved from the sides of the head was banned.

>>736118997

B u t h e ' s s o g o o d. What I'd like is to convince him, but I'm horrible at making arguments.

>>736119024
Thx

>>736119040
That remark doesn't work to someone who thinks that religion was just a way to gain power from the masses and was only used in such a way

>>736119664
"Huh I wonder why it took so long to find evidence for this".
Same reaction I would have if someone proved a god existed.

>>736119837

You also won the daily insults contest too! Wow man, you're so cool and great.

hey newfags:

TITS OR GTFO

>>736119871

>christian
>perfect

Choose one.

>>736119871
B u t h e ' s s o g o o d.

cringed.

Leave /b/ and never come back.

>>736119664
the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
A century ago it was thought that Giant squids were a fabricated sailors tail. I bet you also belive that their isnt alien life elsewhere in the universe, and no i'm not talking about little green men on ships.

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>>736119871
tits or gtfo. since you're not a Christian, you should have no qualms about showing us your time stamped titties.

>>736119851
this. every Sundays the usual, from what i can tell. Honestly on the fence, so i do not attend church. I don't deny the existence of a god, though i find it unlikely.

>>736119871
I mean if he was an atheist for any other reason then "Muh class" or to rebel / look cool etc. and instead based his decisions on an intelectual basis his comment would have shown and would not be something as close minded as "Anyone who does not agree with me should not be allowed to be given free agency of their sexual facilities." written with the mental capacities of a 5 year old.

>>736119929
Yes, you.

>>736118063
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>>736118063
Negotiate, send them every week either if the kids agree or not. They can have freedom of religion when they are 18 and out of your house, until then they do as told.

He must not be too Christian to reproduce with a heathen like you. were you married when you had children if not he's a hypocrite.

>>736119874
>this
>>736120089

>>736119195
We're both guys, so
>>736119361
Nice ad hominem
>>736119370
Look, I don't care what my kids are. My problem is when someone, even my husband, is fucking forcing them, against their will, to go to church. I'll let him try to take them to church, and if they or a few like it, then so be it, why not.
>>736119556
Thanks my dude
>>736119603
I'm a guy with like barely any weight so
>>736119658
When everyone thinks I'm a girl that already married and fucked him
>>736119851
Every sunday. Ohno I made a logic error on a board I just want opinions from

>>736118063
Tell him that chistianity is all about wizardry, ESP and invisible gigantic ghosts who engineer every event.

>>736118063
If you want a serious answer:

> Your job as a parent is to literally force morals into your kid.

I fucking hate lazy parents that raise shitheads, because they somehow think they are being progressive and giving their kids the freedom to find themselves.

Your kids will have plenty of time for freedom once they are 18+

I'm not necessarily saying church is the only answer to educate your kids with proper morals. I'm not even christian. But religion is a decent way to do so.

> Support system
> Community and activity for your children
> They can participate in volunteer activities to help poor communities

Of course you can do this all yourself. However, it's hard...like really fucking hard. Any religious institution is basically a place where you can drop your kids off and know they will be learning good morals.

> Then there is your husband. You are literally asking him to roast his kids in a pit of fire...

Anyways. At 18, your kids will go off to college and they will form their own ideas anyways. There is no harm in teaching them good morals through religion now.

Going through college:
> 2 atheist friends became christian
> 4 christians became agnostic
> 1 christian became muslim
> 1 hindu became christian

> People do their own shit. The fact that you will be open to accepting that later is good enough.

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>>736120380
wait, you're a guy, who has kids with another guy, who is a Christian? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA He's not a Christian, he is THE problem with Christianity!

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>>736119722
Uhhh right... Fucking retard.

>>736119871
>literally perfect
Literally literally abstraction of values.

>_that_ type
>total sub
Well, there's your problem. He's a cult boy. Unless you want to break someone's world or send them into the stages of grief and loss, there's no way you can argue away someone's deeply-held beliefs. Especially not if is this much of a fixture in their personhood. You can't argue with irrational beliefs. It's irrational. There's nothing you can say to it.

Sounds like what you need to do is accept that this is his irrational ultimatum relative to you, or leave it be. Or, make the case. Since your bad at arguments, it doesn't look like you'll be making the case.

>>736119954
This would have been standard protocol, but
>>736120380
You need to realize where you are, you dumb vapid faggot, or leave. Use the proper dialect, none of that
>I made a logic error
bullshit.

>>736118063
Tits or gtfo

>>736120380
i personally think the basis for religious enlightenment is lost in indoctrination, what is the point in believing in god if its all pretend? You're not brain washed, you're following a pattern that you believe is normal, without believing in your soul god exists. Were he omnipotent as some say, he would know this. We need not lie in the face of god, for he already knows the truth.

Basically, the most important part of religion imho is ideological freedom, otherwise the point is lost.

>>736120533
Also, in the case of "forcing them against their will"...

> You are probably going to force them against their will to go to school.
> You are probably going to force them against their will to eat veggies.
> You are probably going to force them against their will to sleep on time.


> You are probably going to force them against their will to do a lot of fucking things....It is your job as a parent.

>>736120655
i vehemtenly disagre

>>736118063
>He wants our kids to go to church every day, regardless of what they want.
>He
either tits or gtfo or you're a faggot and God hates you for it

christians are not catholics, but a catholic will tell you there's no difference.

only one of them diddles kids, the other one makes nations like AMERICA

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>>736120713

>>736120533
>>736120739
I think its fine to show your children religion as long as you let them express their own views and only treat it as educating them of the christian culture but remind them its all subjective and everyone has their own viewpoint, which is ultimately up to them to decide.

>>736118063
Kids aren't old enough to make their own decisions. The parents decide everything for them until they're older. If a 13 year old can't give me consent for sex, they sure as hell can't say no to going to church.

>>736120810
exectly. If you guys are fags, don't worry about it, because you both are going to hell.

break up with him. he is dangerous for your children and their free will

>>736119956
The only flaw with him is just that he's a christian that wants to force our possible children to church on every sunday.
>>736120087
Nah
>>736120106
Gay
>>736120278
I know what it feels like to be forced to go to church every sunday. I know what it feels like to live under a theocratic house. I know what it feels like to be ruled with using the fear of a god. Even if you conform, it's never fun. I only want my children to go if they want to go.

Can someone possibly help forming an argument against this kind of behavior? I always get it wrong because I don't have much to say or I'm all over the place

>>736120786
Moreover, you could do what my parents did for me.

They sent me to temple with my Buddhist friends, church with my Christian friends, synagogue with my Jewish friends....they opened my eyes to many religions while educating me in theirs regularly.

In the end you realize that they are all basically teaching the same core morals and values.

>>736120997
They're gay, the children are already screwed. Going to church can only help them, and hopefully remove them from the terrible situation they're in. Having 2 fathers will only ruin them.

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>>736120380
>Christian faggot
God hates you anon, you, your lover and your bastard child, you're going to Hell anyways so why go to the church?

>>736120954

didn't click your post on my follow up
>>736121122

>>736118063
Don't let them go into a church, it's corrupt by satan those days.. teach them by yourself the bible, but first learn by urself..

>>736121136
there's nothing as bad as oging to the church.

you literally have to be mentally ill to believe in a god

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>>736120666
Hear my voice, lambs, for I am the new lord come to set you free.

>>736121109
>is just
I'm sure he has more flaws than that.
>Can someone possible help
I help those who help themselves. If we give you an argument, what are the odds you'd understand how to argue it?

Would you take advice from Satan?

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>>736121152
>>736121136
>>736120972

Go back to /pol/ we don't need you gay haters here

>>736118063
Show your fucking tits dumb bitch

>>736121122
i mean in the end that would be idea to educate them, i agree. open their minds, expressing themselves intellectually rather then emotionally based.

Its the close minded of all theists and atheists who are simply the worst, in my opinion - they usually end up as preachers as they see their way the one true way.

>>736118063
Even if you don't believe in a god, I don't, Christian churches typically teach good morals. Your kids can probably sacrifice a portion of their lives to make sure they're good people.

>>736121484
it's a (((guy))).

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>>736121407
>Go back to /pol/ we don't need you gay haters here
>we don't need you gay haters here
Newfags these days

>>736118063
dick or gtfo

>>736120380
>faggots with morals and 2 children

Well, you should have led with this.

saged

>>736121407
Everyone on /b/ hates someones else anon and they get to voice this opinion and get called a retard for it.
Don't try to make a safe space out of the one place where people can voice their shit without irl social repercussions.
Talk up against shit you disagree with sure, but don't try to censor it.

>>736121631
>>736121586
>>736121544
op is a nigger faggot
I FUCKING SAID IT.

>>736118063
Making kids go to church is like feeding a little baby that can't feed itself.

Some people think that sending kids to church against their will is cruelty or a violation of some rights. Well, bringing them up in secularism and without church is the same as bringing them up in a church. The difference is that parents who don't send kids to church are actually forcing the children to partake in secular religion.

Secularism is a religion. It is a worldview, and it is one that is enforced just like any "organized" religion. The secular religion, where people focus on Materialism is a belief system that influences human action just like any "organized" or "traditional" religion.

Best advice I can offer is: let the kids be sent to church. Encourage them to learn as much as they can. In the end, they WILL choose for themselves, just like everybody.

>>736120655
>spell like a 4 year old
>YOU'RE THE RETARD THOUGH

I wish I could be as stupid as you, life would be easy.

>>736121712
>>736121407

>>736121407
Correction, we don't need you faggots here. take your shit to /lgbt/ with the rest of the degenerates.

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>>736121407
>>736121712

>>736121631
>>736121902
>>736121586
I refuse to go. This is like hating yourself. Because being gay is being normal.

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>>736122023
>being gay is being normal
thanks for the kek anon, your bait top notch

>>736120533
If you need a book to know that rape is bad, then keep believing in it. I knew morality before I was even forced to go to church. My almost non-existent parents never taught me anything other than how to shoot a gun.
>>736120540
>"We learned that the statements of sin regarding homosexuality was a mistranslation of the bible from original greek to english.

In Leviticus, the old testament, the original greek word was arsenkoites, which basically means same bed. Bed was often used as a term for sex, and there was the confusion, and which was why the translation error happened.

The banning of having sexual relations with multiple people was in retaliation to Pagan traditions of idol worship and sex with the men that held the key to the house of that god that you wanted to please. It's the same reason why having hair shaved from the sides of the head was banned."
>>736120666
true.. you can't argue with irrationality
Also when 4chan is stricter than a college
>>736120739
THX I WILL DEFINITELY USE THIS
>>736120786
Forcing my children to learn how to use their brain for math, writing, and then learning about science and history is different than forcing them to learn in a deity that will sooner or later go the way of greek mythology. Forcing them to be healthy and have enough energy for the day is different than teaching them about the ironic "love" of the christian god vs the unproven pit of fire of hell. These instances are different than learning something that has 0 evidence towards that relies completely on faith.
>>736120810
When the bible was mistranslated and now people think that god hates gays
>>736120954
THX I'LL ALSO REPHRASE THIS TO SUPPORT ME
>>736120969
Sex can give them herpes, ruin innocence, and mentally destroy a child. Allowing them to choose whether or not they go to church just makes them improve their lives by having their preference.

>>736122093
you just can't seem to handle reality in 2017, can you?

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>>736122134
>putting this much effort into proving your point on 4chan
>fucking 4chan
Fags make me laugh the most on this board

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>>736122134
You're new here, aren't you.

>>736121800
My parents never took me to church, I went once with my grandparents for the sheer novelty of it.
Bored my ass off and spent the time reading christian picture books for kids.
Then later on when I started in school, we have some visits to the church during christmas and easter, was fun enough the first times, but after that I found out they would just be telling the same stories.
So in the 6th grade I think, I let the school know I wouldn't be going anymore and that I had the right from a state level to refuse and my mothers permission not to go.
Even later on as I was approaching my teens, I got interested in religion again, so my parents provided me with the books of various different religions.
None of them convinced me, but I developed a liking for the polytheistic stories, because their gods seemed more relatable.
My parents afforded me all of the chances I wanted to get religion, without actively trying to convince me of anything secular or not.
I'm still an atheist, but I do enjoy reading holy works from a culture perspective.

>>736122134
you need to read more of the Bible if you think Leviticus is the only chapter that condemn fags.

>>736122023
I'm >>736121631
I was advocating for you to be allowed to stay, in spite of disagreeing with you. Because you have just as much of a right to be here as me.

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>>736119361
>Protestants are gay
>Catholics didn't attempt to destroy philosophy
>Catholics aren't just a pedo cult in disguise

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>>736121122
>In the end you realize that they are all basically teaching the same core morals and values.
In other words you're a retard who didn't listen

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>>736122266
If you know how reproduction works then you know that homosexuality isn't natural, also getting so worked up for someone disagreeing with you on 4chan is what makes my day

>>736121242
wat
>>736121122
I will if they want to go to all of those places.
>>736121280
Well to be fair according to the Bible, God killed 2.6 Million+ people where Satan only killed 10. If God does happen to exist, then on judgement day I'll let him defend his actions and explain why I should love him. Moreover, I know what I want to say, I'm just not good at converting thoughts to legible words when speaking. When writing, it's easy because I can pause and take a moment to find the best fitting word for a reply.
>>736121545
It isn't that hard to teach a kid not to be bad. If he doesn't like to go to church, then he'll resent the words that are spoken inside.
>>736121800
You said it yourself. Learning from a good parent and learning from church results in the same, so why not let them choose between two good parents or the church?

THANKS I'LL BE USING MY RESPONSE IN AN ARGUMENT.

>>736122290
When criticism is helpful and constructive, then I'll reply adequately. I'm here for the opinions of others.
>>736122316
>My parents afforded me all of the chances I wanted to get religion, without actively trying to convince me of anything secular or not.
I want your parents and aspire to be them.
>>736122348
It's the one most commonly brought up. I'm up for discussion if you'd like to prove that the bible doesn't actively hate gays.
>>736122674
Various species of monkeys and apes have gay sex as a norm. Who's to say we aren't one of those species?

>>736123070
Then you always take the easy route and have never practiced speaking your mind. That's the plebeian thing to do, and it makes you worse in the end. No shit, it's easy to write, exactly because you can pause.

To add
>legible words
>speech

>>736123439
Though if you're here for the opinions of others, you should say that you don't have to respect opinions and vice versa. Otherwise, you're setting yourself up for some really weird rules to operate by, because that reply you replied to contained an opinion.

>>736123683
I was explaining my mentality that he was bashing. I understand that it was his opinion, and that was my reply to his opinion.

>>736123439
I was lucky to have my parents and also aspire to be like them in this sense.
They provided me with a home life loving enough for me to discount suicide as an option, even though I felt like dying at one time.
I owe a lot to them for the tools they gave me to get through the shit in my life.

>>736123439
Sex if for reproduction, when animals engage in homosexual acts they do it out of lust, not love, as a superior species using the example of "the monkeys do it" just proves that you're no better than an animal

>>736124005
Are you saying humans aren't animals?
What are you then, a mineral, a plant or some sort of fungi?

>>736123968
Well, if you're here for the opinions of others, it reads like you're choosing which opinions to respect, criticism be damned, as if it isn't criticism, then it's an opinion.

Just seems like you're choosing when to reply adequately while stating that you came here to seek all opinions from others in general.

>>736124550
You know that there's DNA and there's mentality, we have evolved to be able to "think" better. As a species that evolved past raw instinct we should be better than common animals, but since you object that being gay is the norm then you're no better than a dumb animal