"Daddy, why won't Republicans let us have free health

>>735772613
"We should've aborted you"

>>735772613
Because nothing comes for "free" in this world, sweetie. Someone has to pay for what socialist faggots want to take by force.

>>735772613
"You shut the fuck up you little bitch"

What makes you think you've earned so much as a flu shot, sweetheart? God if you aren't your mother's child. I'd let both of you starve if you weren't so good in the sack. Lazy bitches.

>>735772750

Tell that to Canada and the UK and pretty much every other modern civilized country in the world. It works for them just fine.

Because your mother and I are more than capable of ensuring you get good health. Its part of being a good parent. But we shouldn't have to pay for any one else's.

>>735772613
Because the Democrats and Republicans made "socialist" a dirty word. Also, who the fuck are you and why are you calling me "daddy"?

>>735772613
"Because Americans have to pay for the defense of those civilized nations after rescuing them fro countless centuries of endless warfare. No one wants to see Germany with a standing army again!"

>>735773029
3rd time is the charm, i say let germany rise once again!

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>>735772916

>>735772938

Enjoy going into massive debt and just barely living above the poverty line in the process. Yay America. #1 woo

>>735772916
They also have some of the highest tax rates in the world you dumb fuck. Ok think about it this way. Take whatever you make at your job then take 30% out. There you go those are your taxes.

>>735773029
nice try but america is cousing more problems woth their "help"

>>735772916
>healthcare system in all those countries is crumbling under its own weight.
>cost keeps rising and will become unsustainable by 2025 due to immigration, and retarded welfare state
>working just fine

Are all other socialists as retarded as you are, or are you an exception?

>>735773014
This is one of the most faggy responces i have ever seen.

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>>735772613
Skyhooks.

>>735772613
Because America is an ultra capitalistic country and many should not have to pay for the few.

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excellent bait thread, faggot. It seems to be working like a goddamned charm.

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>>735772613
>other civilized nations

>>735773160
Speak for yourself poorfag.

>>735772613
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/father-seven-died-after-hospital-10186306

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>>735772613
At what cost?

>>735772724
This

>>735772916
Canada is communist

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yo miss me yet niggas?

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>>735772613
Other people's money.

>>735773230
Euros fucked up everything forever. Particularly the Brits.Every time a Muslim terrorist kills 100 innocents, blame the Brits.

>>735773631
Never had, never will

>>735773488
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161869/Top-doctors-chilling-claim-The-NHS-kills-130-000-elderly-patients-year.html

If we had Denmark's demographics, we'd have something to discuss.

>>735773631

Tremendously, yes. As a matter of fact. =*(

>>735773780
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4112300/Doctors-forced-decide-saving-cancer-patient-pensioner-bleeding-death-heartbreaking-new-documentary-revealing-agony-NHS-crisis.html

>>735772750
I guess it isn't called socialism when Corporations got handouts during the 2008 meltdown. And don't tell me that it was because these corps were too big to fail when they were still giving top level executives million dollar bonuses during those years.

>>735773174
Swedenfag here. Different cities pay different taxes. But avarege is 30%.

BUT! I got paid to go to school my whole childhood and i can get paid to go to university if i choose to do so. Around 300$/month without any loans at all.

And if i get sick my healthcare isnt free as many ppl think but the cost is heavily reduced. A checkup costs around 30$. And it cost me around 20å$ in total for everything when i broke my leg. Including half a year of rehabilitation for my leg.

I can get why ppl want to fend for only themselves but i gladly pay more tax to have the security of not hacing to rake a loan to go to school or paying half my life for a small operation. Americas heslthcare system is fucked up expensive.

>>735773357
So glad you noticed

http://theconversation.com/why-the-british-love-the-national-health-service-66314

>>735773787
Don't forget Denmark is over 90% white, so even if we had the same amount of people, we would still be off by a half the amount of whites necessary to make ANYTHING work properly.

>>735773920
http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/07/boy-5-died-from-arthritis-after-doctors-failed-to-diagnose-him-more-than-20-times-6432017/

>>735773233

>no sources to support broad sweeping claims

anyone can seem retarded to an uninformed idiot

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/01/nhs-even-more-cherished-monarchy-and-army

>>735773631
Why don't you ever call us back Barack?

>>735774137
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/08/man-ran-hospital-get-help-dying-cyclist-told-call-999-instead/

No one is entitled to another's money, time, or service. Full stop. Healthcare is not a human right. You can't expect to receive healthcare services for procedures that your insurance won't cover. Neither should any healthcare professional be forced to accept patients at what government health plans are prepared to pay them. It is coercive in the extreme, and will result in fewer healthcare professionals, fewer healthcare facilities and support staff jobs, and an overall lowering of quality that gets worse over time.

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/02/23/16799/socialized-or-not-britains-health-care-system-superior

>>735774054
>Corporations got handouts during the 2008 meltdown.

What corporations got "handouts", Snowflake.
Was Obama lying when he said it was all paid back and the gvt actually made a profit?

>>735774137
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/608035/City-worker-died-junior-doctor-diagnosis-ignored-Croydon

>>735774374
Yes, actually he was.

>>735774070

dont bother, these people are idiots. they wouldnt understand enlightened self interest even if they were stranded on a desert island with two hunters, an engineer, and a chef

Explaining postmodernism: by Steven Hicks.

>>735772613
Democrats don't let you have free health care either, sweetheart. If you want free health care, move out of America.

>>735774300

You work for the insurance industry don't you. You can't honestly believe that bullshit right?

>>735774300
So I assume you will never call the police or fire department, don't drive on public roads, sent or will send you kids only to private school, and refuse to use running water (heavily subsidized).

>>735774137
http://www.rhyljournal.co.uk/news/147715/prestatyn-man-died-in-hospital-after-receiving-no-nutrition-in-six-days.aspx

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>>735773631
no

>>735772613
Food is much more essential than healthcare.

We should have free food.

>>735774137
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/10/hospitals-on-brink-of-collapse-say-health-chiefs

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/saqib-qureshi/health-care-costs_b_9317386.html

Leftist sources, btw. So you KNOW they're underplaying the current state of the "free" healthcare system on these two countries.

>>735774501
>sorry, no police available due to budget shortfalls
>road is so full of potholes you'll destroy your car driving on it
>schools so bad that kids graduate barely being able to read
>Flint, MI

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>>735774422

>>735774264

>mfw anecdotal evidence isnt statistically significant
>mfw an incident blamed on an unqualified receptionist is claimed to be proof of healthcare "crumbling under its own weight"

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>>735774719
It will never be the food Americans want. It will end up being corn. We have too much of that shit we end up replacing plastic with it just to pay off farmers. Corn farmers and Monsanto have a tight grip around this country's dick like no other.

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>>735774484
Which part do you disagree with comrade?

>>735774484
Nope. Just Canadian.

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>>735774501
That shit is all state and local you fucking mung.

Jesus where do you morons come from.

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>>735774501
Wat?

>>735772613
Because there are too goddamned many people on this planet already. Like you. Your mom and I never wanted you.

>>735775139
Why the fuck does THAT matter? It's all still paid for by taxes. State and local taxes with subsidies from the federal government.

Jesus fucking Christ, learn how your government works.

Those are all social services provided by the government for the benefit of the populace as a whole. You pay for someone else's police protection and roads whether you use them or not.

Why, honey, the same reason the Democrats don't

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>>735773375

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>>735773300
Triple dubs checked

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>>735772613
We need to reform healthcare regulation and break the doctors AMA and lawyers ABA unions to enable effective competition.

Look at things like the cost of LASIK surgery - competition has slashed the cost of this procedure.

Single payer is exactly the wrong direction.

>>735774916
Read the rest of the links, faggot.

>>735774758

very clever. even if i manage to convince you that these articles dont directly attribute the problems with healthcare to the fact that healthcare exists (which they dont-- in fact, the second article even notes that canada's supposedly "crumbling" healthcare system still performs better than that of the US),
you can always move the goalposts and say "whatever theyre leftists sources anyway."
dont give me leftist sources. give me right wing sources. then we can talk. i dont need any softballs from someone who doesnt even read the links they post, lol

>>735774916
https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2916214/map-reveals-nhs-services-facing-closure-as-experts-say-whole-hospitals-aes-and-maternity-units-must-close-to-save-the-health-service/

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>>735775348
>what is the US Constitution

Moron.

If you want single-payer, then do it at the state level where this kind of shit belongs. Nothing stopping you.

>>735774916
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4098348/Doctors-say-close-meltdown-figures-one-health-centre-no-spare-capacity-27-days.html

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>>735772613
Because those nations ain't American!

>>735773029
"countless centuries"
lol how high can you count?

>>735774916
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/11/nhs-crisis-20-hospitals-declare-black-alert-as-patient-safety-no-longer-assured

>>735775739
Follow the full fucking thread, shitstain.
>>735774300

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>>735775661

damn, you get mad easily huh.

yeah sorry just figured youd be smart enough to start with your strongest sources.

but hey some of us would rather be faggots than morons. if you think about it, its pretty much the main difference between democrats and republicans

>>735775828
>Rising sun
>Fat merkian
Merikans did pearl harbor 10/10

>>735775739

>Nothing stopping you
except state republicans.

>>735772613
Because it's more important to let the richest people in the history of the world to continue to accumulate over 90% of all new wealth. The problem is that rich people don't have enough money and poor people have too much while at the same time not being as sick as they should be... Yet

No more NATO, fuck SEATO = free health care for all Americans.

World War II is over.

>>735772613
in finland we have free healthcare. it is shit. all governments can do is fuck up and war.

>>735775995
>Merikans
The Merikins were African-American refugees of the War of 1812 – freed black slaves who fought for the British against the USA in the Corps of Colonial Marines and then, after post-war service in Bermuda, were established as a community in the south of Trinidad in 1815–16. They were settled in an area populated by French-speaking Catholics and retained cohesion as an English-speaking, Baptist community. It is sometimes said that the term "Merikins" derived from the local patois, but as many Americans have long been in the habit of dropping the initial 'A' it seems more likely that the new settlers brought that pronunciation with them from the United States.

>>735775691
>the problem with something isn't the fact that the thing exists
>If problematic thing ceases to exist, somehow, the problem won't stop existing because leftism

So your solution is to expand into the ever-growing black hole that is socialism until there's no money left for you to steal, correct?

Sounds like a plan.

>>735775945
Stop shitting up my country.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-single-payer-healthcare-plan-advances-1496361965-htmlstory.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/venezuela-protesters-set-fire-supreme-court-building-crisis/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/11/venezuela-on-the-brink-a-journey-through-a-country-in-crisis

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/06/13/venezuelan-police-resort-to-robbing-civilians-including-breitbart-reporter/

>>735775139
That's a super important distinction that has a lot to do with something or other

>>735775784
>>735775895


yeah you can stop. i know how to google too.

to call what we've been doing arguing would be really generous. im quickly seeing your strategy is just to keep posting links with no context until i get tired of reading and quit replying, then you can claim victory and collect your internet points.

in the future, tell me how the link is supposed to prove something. thats how you make an argument. when you did research reports in school, you remember just posting a shit ton of daily mail links and handing it in to your big titted blonde bombshell teacher for an A+ and a blowjob? yeah neither do i. you arent saying anything with these links. they don't even prove anything on their own.

secondly when i say some shit, respond to it. try to prove me wrong. thats how debate works. if you wanna call me a faggot you're just admitting that you made mistakes.

>>735776149
You dumbfuck, I'm talking about Americans.
Btw
>I dindu nuffin

Here you guys go, the perfect Canadian healthcare.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw

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>>735776009
Pesky voters getting in the way, eh?

>>735776158

never said expansion was the solution. if you have a problem with your arm, cutting off your arm isnt the only solution. neither is making your arm bigger.

think before you type

>>735776409
Way to post a faggot that thinks Jesus put 2 of every animal on a boat

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>>735776376
>talking

>>735776343
Yeah, the Constitution is but a minor detail.

Good job.

>>735774054

I like how every right wing fucktard ignored your post after flooding the thread with bullshit about 'handouts'.

387.3 billion was 2016's total health cost in the US.

About 10k per person.

So, in other words - since everyone under trump already pays 10% and we would only go up to 30% while the average cost is 10k per person.

So, as long as you make 30k+ it will cost you MORE than the average medical bills of a person.

When you consider that google claims the average American income is around 50k a year you can see that we can easily afford to do it - we just arent doing it because some feel its their cash paying for losers.

Less than 8 million of us could easily make healthcare free for the entire 350+ million at these rates.

Plus, we could incentivize healthy lifestyles regarding diet, smoking, and overall fitness leading to a better and stronger country.

Nah, fuck it! Lets keep letting big pharma sell opiates to us and paying top shelf for the chance to OD!

Hell, lets just sit by while heroin floods through our country making OD the #1 cause of death in the USA!

Yep, fuck it - lets just keep making sure the poor have NO health care and the people WITH health care are really just letting hospitals fuck them.

P.S. Much of the US medical costs are grossly inflated compared to other countries where the pharma industry isnt able to lobby as much - it would technically cost much less if we got rid of that corruption.

>>735776513
Poor analogy.

If you have a problem with a bad investment, you stop investing in a bad product. That's the smart solution, not to invest even more with the hopes that it will, somehow, solve the problem.

>>735776372
Try reading. I know it's hard for you, being a brain dead leftist. Or go play in traffic, since it's now legal to run your dumb ass over.

https://youtu.be/h-Nyoev0JgM

>>735776543
Talking about americans that living in United states of freedom and guns. That includes white bois, negros, deportable faggots, armenians and asians.

CONGRATULATIONS, DINDU NUFFIN.

NEVER MADE IT AS A WISE MAN

>>735776539
That has nothing to do with the situation. You're grasping at straws and not providing counter arguments

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>>735776735
>mfw watching that video

>>735772916
I had a good friend in Canada with cystic fibrosis. Emphasis on *had*. They were consistently slow with getting her appointments and the waiting lists were crazy long unless something was an absolute emergency. Not to mention her meds still cost an arm and a leg. Lost her last year and I'll never be over her

people vote against their own interests all the time. not much you can do about it.

>>735776757
I COULDN'T CUT IT AS A POOR MAN STEALING.

>>735776953
Remember, don't get sick on Sundays in canada.

>>735773144
shit posting

>>735776953
This is most certainly an issue. The problem is that the government doesn't provide health care providers with enough incentives

>>735776582
I forgot about the 23rd amendment that says thou shall not see a doctor

>>735772613
>free healthcare
>free
Because people don't work for free dumbass, who do you thinks paying the doctor to deal with your severe retardation?

>>735776372
>bitches about anectdotal evidence
>gets lins with articles, studies and shit
>keeps bitching

seems like you have no real argument. no counterpoints at all
gg ez

Once again we find the rest of the world wants to encourage the next generation that spending other people's money isn't just ok, it is a right

>>735777224
The 23 amendment is about the electors and the presidents and the vice president, you're really dumb

>>735777263
everybody know what free in that context means. stop sperging

>>735772916
Germany doenst want to take over the world anymore. Closest thing to Nazi Germany is America right now

If I were to explain it. Half the people listening/reading wouldn't listen, and somewhere around 35% would deny it for "muh patriotism".
Basically the US people at hypnotized to believe that taxes towards health isn't beneficial, cause pharmaceutical companies get shit loads of money iff of it.
Also they for some reason agree to pay tax's for protection fees (military, police, cia, fbi) to a country riddled with starting fights for no reason.

I don't understand US Americans patriotism to a country that's cheating them.
Canadian Tax's are 15% (15 cents per $) for the majority of provinces and our Tax's go to military protection (we don't start shit with countries so it's for when we're attacked), health care (Breaking your leg costs you an ambulance fee), and police, fire fighters, (etc.).

As I said- people probably won't listen to reason, cause of a flag and a celebrity.

>>735772613
Because sharing is caring and your nation don't care.
>>735772750
So, the civilised modern world (US not included, clearly) has been forced to socialism?
Or do we perhaps just have socialistic democracy?
Look it up.

Amerifat cunts are going mad.

>>735774070
I think I finally understand why Eurofags don't get why Americans are so hostile to the idea of single-payer health care. It's because until very recently, you people haven't had niggers and vast hordes of low-skill immigrants. That's really the factor that makes a difference. And you may want to pay attention, because since you've recently chosen to commit cultural suicide in the name of diversity, this issue is likely to start affecting you very, very soon.

Free health care and education provided by the government works if the number of people receiving benefits from the system is equal to or lesser than the number of people paying into it. Basically, if you've got a society where everyone goes to school, graduates, gets a job and starts contributing to society, you can afford to have the cost of things like school and health care that everyone needs shared by society as a whole. However, if you have a significant section of your population that sucks up benefits without contributing anything back, you end up with an unbalanced situation where one group of people is receiving the same benefits as everyone else, but is not helping to pay for them. This not only drives up the cost for everyone who pays into the system, it also spreads the resources allocated to these programs thinner and thinner.

If you attempted to implement a single payer health care system in the United States, it would be a complete disaster. There is no money for it. Single-payer health care would raise the taxes of people with decent jobs, significantly. Since most of these people already receive good benefits from their employers, government health care would be a reduction in quality of care. So, basically, the people who would benefit the least from the program would be assuming the bulk of the cost. Meanwhile, the people who would receive the bulk of the benefits would continue to pay nothing and contribute nothing (other than an increase in crime of course).

>>735778382
The population is docile and easily manipulated.
But they have bread and circuses and are busy stressing over ridiculous low wages, racism and what pronouns to call each other.
Well and truly a divided and conquored nation.

>>735776953
Private healthcare is still an option, so what is your point? I am sure she has been redirected to a private hospital if her condition was acute and they couldn't accomodate her right away.

>>735772916
UK here, the NHS is on its ass and the waiting times are out of control.
Only desperate poorfags use the NHS, literally anyone who can afford it after being raped by taxes goes private.

>>735773160
Guess somebody never got their diploma.

>>735777465
>all studies are valid evidence

>>735778880
People would have more money to spend on private insurance if they didn't get raped by the state to subsidise fags who didn't feel like looking after themselves.

>>735778680
>Or do we perhaps just have socialistic democracy?
>Look it up.
Looked it up, understand what it is, don't want it. Enjoy handing half of your paycheck over to the government and gargling Somali refugee cum.

>>735777504
In this case it is for your own good. Would you rather have increased criminal activity because people can't finance something that is essential for their wellbeing? Isn't a healthy society (in all aspects, not only medical) worth investing in? I must be careful not to generalize here but i sense that a lot of americans really do not care about their fellow american, and also cannot fathom that by doing so they would effectively be doing themselves a favor. Neither full throttle individualism or plan-econimics is the way forward, but for everyones' good, basic needs should be coveres. End note: and for fucks sake, get rid of all those guns you morons

>>735772613
Because it's too expensive to the nation and will end up costing more overall out of the tax coffers than it would from individual pockets. Look at the NHS in the UK as a prime example, the NHS itself pays £15 to buy in prescribed acetaminophen (paracetamol) but they only recover £8.00 in prescription fees while the medicine itself only costs about 50p per packet. This is not a sustainable system and only the drugs industry is profiting, the result has been that many drugs have either been taken away entirely as being too expensive or people have to qualify for their medicine with more restrictive guidelines and an emphasis on saving money over treating conditions.

The real question that needs answering is "Why are people so against a managed market for privatised healthcare like in Holland where the government defines the minimum coverage, insurance is mandatory for all citizens by law and the government will pay >90% of the basic fee for those people who qualify (such as the working poor)?"

That's the one I can't get my head around either. I guess because it sounds too socialist, but it's much less socialist than a single-payer system and in the countries where it's implemented. The results are that Holland is often the the European leader in health care quality. It's still an open market, you can choose your coverage and provider from a pretty big range, it's just that the services offered have a mandatory minimum coverage that's defined by the government to stop shekel sucking corporations from literally bleeding you dry.

Seriously America... why the fuck is this not being considered by anyone?

>>735779135
Its common sense to have a certain amount saved up in case of emergencies and i dont think that the amount you pay for healthcare is so ridicolously high that you are left without a dime to spare, that's due to your own inability to plan ahead

>>735779333
read this
>>735778783

>>735772613
God damn, every time I hear some fucktard say "Free healthcare" I laugh.

You do realize no one thinks that doctors and such will work without getting paid or that the middle class should be the only ones who pay for it.

All we want is to get rid of health insurance companies to save shit tons of money. Then everyone pays an equal amount into it.
You know like how government services operate.

>Hur dur but the government wastes money and privatization is better.
That is only because you get some rich asshole trying to make the government a business and make money off it.

>>735779536
I agree with you that demography affects the cost of running healthcare, but i disagree with you when you say that there is no money for it. The top earners in the american society could (and should) be taxed more harshly and large corporations that profit shift and tax evade could be dealt with through legislation. If we assume the money is there, then its down to believing in the 'good of man' and hope that by providing low income groups with a less risky existance they at some point along the road will start to contribute more to society.

>>735776735
>>735777465
holy shit, did i call that or what? youre a testament to the fact that idiots dont know theyre stupid. some nice mental gymnastics there. as long as you call valid counterpoints and critique "bitching" i guess you can imagine its "gg ez"

what a waste of time. learn how to
read, research, and debate in that order. from what i can tell, you fail at all of these.

all i know is American senior citizens are fucking SCREWED.
when i become a senior citizen i'm either gonna off myself or go on a rampage, if i make it that far.

Living in Finland and laughing at republican retards that love to get cucked by corporate sociopaths.

America: shit healthcare, shit education, shit crime rates, shit minimum wage, shit everything pretty much.

Finland: superior education, superior health care, shit crime rates, proper minimum wage and pretty much everything in politics (aside from wannabe Americans) is just plain better.

>>735780945
I can seriously tell whether you're American or not just out of what you say.American education is nothing but another fucking laughing stock of the modern day.

>>735779970
>there's enough money if we tax the rich
No, there isn't. Even if we taxed the top 1% earners at 90% it wouldn't be enough money to cover the welfare state we already have, let alone provide new benefits. That's not even taking into account the fact that taxing wealthy individuals and corporations would give less incentive to produce and invest wealth and the economy would stagnate, and the amount of actual tax revenue would decline significantly over time. I'm sorry but this whole "evil rich 1% are oppressing the poor people, taxing them all would fix it" meme needs to die.

>if we provide low-income groups with a less risky existence they might contribute more to society
That experiment has been running for the last 60 years, that's not how it works out in real life. Generally, betting on the 'good of man' is a mistake. So far, results have shown that giving people government handouts just makes them dependent on the government and less likely to get jobs and contribute. Black crime rates were always disproportionately high in the US but they've gone up significantly since LBJ's Great Society program was implemented. No matter how you slice it, the welfare state is keeping people in poverty, not helping them out of it.

>>735781315
Goddamn are you retarded as fuck. A typical sign of American education.

>>735781537
Not an argument.

I mean, do you even know where money comes from? What's your national debt and to who you owe this sum to?

I can fucking tell you don't, because that information isn't public. And if you did, you couldn't give us any numbers without getting your ass in jail.

>>735772613
>"Daddy, why won't Republicans let us have free health care like all other civilized nations?"
Because we don't need free health care, that's commie crap. We have Jesus and the Free Market. Now, put down The Bible. I don't want you to read any of what Jesus actually said about anything.

>>735781805
You can check national debt per capita but that's about it. It's just a number that consists of coprporate business men making bad deals with bankers.

Public healthcare is 100% possible, the problem is deciding whether someone is worth of it or not.
There should be a registry of the citizens in said healthcare, then a track of their health should occur, then, if someone smokes, they'll not be eligible for treatment to cancer related to smoking.
Or too fat individuals get a warning to stop consuming such foods, or they won't have heart attack coverage.

>>735776953
Millions of Americans buy their prescription drugs in Canada.

>>735772613
Because the dumbfucks over there in other civilized countries LOVE being buttfucked savagely with extremely high taxes. They never wanna mention that though. Also, those "civilized countries" are currently being buttfucked savagely twice by invading muslims, and theyre literally welcoming them, begging them to conquer their countries.

>>735782187
Getting free education and health care for paying 30% taxes and STILL earning more than an American at the same position suits me nice.

You know, living in a better system.

>>735782187
Because Americans are begging corporations and insurance companies to rape them up the ass. And get charged 3x the cost.

Health care is the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US.

>>735782373
>>735782373
Meanwhile, while youre crying about what the U.S. is doing, europe is under siege and and being conquered... but lets focus on America....

>>735776953
That's unfortunate, but cystic fibrosis is a fatal illness with no cure.

And if she was in the US it would have costed her like 10 times as much.

>>735782187
You're just another shill that thinks "TAXES ARE BAD". Because you have low taxes, you have much less income for the government which just makes you pay more of the same shit that would cost you less if you paid more taxes. The structure itself is just plain cheaper and better, so it benefits people in it.

Instead, in America, you pay low taxes and you pay huge bills that most of you can't afford. You can work three jobs at the same time and still not get enough money for your grandma's surgery (where as my grandma went to that surgery and survived because I pay taxes).

Enjoy getting raped in the ass.

>>735782579
Top kek every single European country is way safer than the US. You need to lay off the /pol/ for a while.

>>735782713
This. Getting my ass bombed by a terrorist is way less likely than me walking under a bus. Actually, even winning the lottery is more likely to happen.

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>>735782713
Topwew ol' chap

>>735782902
>sharia law currently being enforced in the streets all across europe
>W-WE'RE S-S-SAFE, INSHALLAH

>>735772613
Because I work for a living and pay for insurance. I'm not a lazy welfare rat that would rather have the government take more of my money, at gunpont than they already do.

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>>735773631
whyd you have to die osama?

>>735782902
>invasion_forces.jpg

/pol/ is strong in this one. The one and only place on the Internet where neckbeards look at themselves as intelligent right wing politicians, when they're just a bunch of cock mongling faggots that have grown bitter and selfish.

Gotta hand it to you guys, though; you're the most hardcore cosplayers I've ever seen.

>>735773174
That feel when Americans easily pay 30% taxes split between state gov and required medical insurance without having the benefits other countries get from taxes.

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>>735783240
>muh /pol/
Yeah, /pol/ is to blame for all those military aged male "refugees"...

What a brain.

And about Sharia Law: leftists in Finland oppose it. They oppose government funded religion, too. Which means we don't want to build either churches for Christians or mosques for the Muslims. Get in, live by our rules or get out. This method works better than closing everyone out or letting everyone in.

>>735783376
You obviously missed the point. But that's to be expected from a dumb neckbeard.

>>735783376
>da 4% Muslim population is taking over!!!

And yet still whiter and safer than America by leaps and bounds.

>>735783607
Nah, I got the point, waterhead. The point is you're just a cuck with wide spread ass cheeks for your islamic overlords

>>735783616
>says the guy who wont dare walk down his own street drinking a beer or listening to music because muslim patrols would push your shit in.

>>735783708
>cuck

Cringe. /pol/ loser confirmed.

>>735783376
What the actual fuck

>>735783820
>still crying about /pol/
Man, they must've really did a number on you.

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>>735777654
What an emotionally charged response from someone with zero political experience/knowledge.

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>>735772613
Who the hell are you and what's wrong with your eyes

>>735783781
>infowars told me about your country!

Believe what you need to bud.

>>735784009
>infowars
WEW youre going all out now

>>735779483
Private health care != savings.

>>735784063
Say cuck again.

>>735783616
This. They're a minority, and any government can take them down by military force if they're to cause massive attacks that can be looked upon as an invasion. People panic about a couple of bombings done by a muslim, but when Auvinen shot a whole school full of children, of course media brought up how he was a victim and got bullied.

So far the only terrorists I've seen in Finland have been extreme leftists and rightists that are angry about fucking news. To me that only smells like fear and a bad temperament to handle information that has been true for over three decades. The ratings haven't really gone up, they've been stable for a long while. Of course, it would be nice if these were to stop, but that's basically just an impossible task, which would require an Orwellian society, where everyone would be constantly watched and judged.

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>>735772613
>free

>>735772613
Take my Remington shotgun and go play with black people in a Charleston church instead of bugging me.

How about American Baptists? Christians that constantly perform immoral actions based on their religion and defy science.

Mormons, Amish people, Laestadians, all of these are creations of Christianity, that constantly disobey the law. Murders, rape, abuse and torture are still all present in these religions.

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>>735782713
>>735783616

>>735784539
>Columbine High School Massacre sure is a lot different from that

All white people must be purged! :oo

>>735784113
>They're a minority
For now. Their birth rates are leaps and bounds above yours, and your welfare state pays for every kid of theirs. Your women feel bad for saying one of those sub humans raped them, let alone refuse to take the dick if asked. Europe is collapsing under the PC banner.

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>>735784643
Yeah, because columbine is the exact same as welcoming in conquerors

>>735784539
These eurofags don't realize that most of our states are bigger than their countries. If you look at each state as it's own country, our crime rates are on pretty much the same levels. Most of the American crimes come from D.C., Chicago, and other big cities with high nigger populations.

>>735773174
Right now I'm in the ~20% bracket. I wouldn't mind 30% if it gave me and everyone else good(?) healthcare.

>>735772613
Because of the obesity epidemic in the US would ruin the country

>>735784869
Same goes for Europe...

>>735773631
including me, 2 no and 4 yes—seems about right.

>>735784717
Yeah, right. Study the gene pools and you might find, that having a baby with an immigrant is actually scientifically better for us as a nation than us replicating bad genes caused by basically incest, since every Finnish person is related to one another.

It just means healthier babies, in the end.

I would ALSO like you to point out how a minority (2-3% of our population) grows to be a majority in a few decades. Are you retarded, sir?

>>735784869
These eurocucks cant even denounce islam or they'd be executed.

>>735778783
facts are the US actually could implement single payer health but it would require a systematic uplift. the problem I keep hearing is tax rates increasing but I think that's because nobody expects incomes to ever meet that change. Money has been funneled for too long to too few and incomes have stagnated as a result for a vast majority. We keep hearing that "paying higher wages kills businesses" but that's really because they expect the money to come from below when it should be shifted down from the top. Without a more even field the disparity will only worsen and we'll reach a point where people will realize how much better they should be having it and how few hoard almost all corporate and political power for themselves harvested from the backs of working people just barely getting by.

We could also take the redneck approach and have babies with our cousins to ensure the continuation of "supreme white race".

Besides, I really don't care what color people are in the future. What I care about is how those said people will live. What I care about is cultural progression. And a few Muslims can never change said progression. They can affect it, but they cannot change it.

>>735785233
I denounce every religion on this planet, because all are equally retarded, merely adults having a psychosis because they can't deal with the hardships of life.

>>735774070
Now I know you're lying. A quick internet search reveals that the Swedish income tax rate is not "30%" it averages "57%".

>>735773174
I pay 52%, they also have high taxes on anything you buy in west-Europe, people often forget that. Products such as food and electronics are a lot cheaper in the US ect.

>>735785083
So you're really going to throw your culture away for the sake of "diversity?"

These immigrants don't give a fuck about your culture, or your country. They're making you cave to them, and you're on your knees begging for more abuse at their hands.

>>735782623
>cystic fibrosis
this

>>735785446
>And a few Muslims can never change said progression.

Look at the former Yugoslavia region, and parts of the Philippines. Come talk to me after that.

>>735772916
No It doesn't you fucking moron.
Canada's supreme court ruled in 05 that the fucking wait times (longest in civilized world) violate HUMAN RIGHTS because of how they impede care.
canadas health care facilities average about 40 yrs old, whereas US it averages at 9 yrs old.
UK has an average death rate 45% higher than the US.

>>735785617
When did I ever say that? I said I believe in cultural progression. It doesn't mean I want to dispose of Finnish culture, it means I want to improve it. Because not everything in our culture is good. So why keep the bad things?

You know why crocodiles have survived for millions and millions of years? Because they adapt. They evolve due to their surroundings. And this is what we must also do to guarantee the continuation of our race of monkeys. And the method is to constantly learn, instead of arguing about opinions that are merely based on false realities and emotions.

>>735785729
Are you THIS retarded? Comparing Yugoslavia to Finland, when the differences are clear as day.

You seem to keep forgetting, that our little nation is more advanced in every way than your massive super government led by the most sick and twisted people of the whole human race. Said people sign a paper that creates global slavery, death and sprout new diseases constantly in means to earn more money to add to the pile they're sitting on top of already.

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>>735773029

>No one wants to see Germany with a standing army again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundeswehr


"As of 28 February 2017, the Bundeswehr has a strength of 178,334 active soldiers,[5] placing it among the 30 largest military forces in the world and making it the second largest in the European Union"

Also

>Centuries

American education kek

>>735772613
I think we could have free healthcare in the U.S.
But we can't as long as we have this bloated military budget.
Some estimates range that 50-55 percent of our discretionary budget goes to the military
It's just not possible to have a military of that size fighting in every war and protecting and funding all other nations without it being a detriment to the citizens of the U.S.

>>735772613
Because communism is death.

>>735772613
Shut up and get your clothes off now, you little bitch.

As a Finnish person, the only countries I'm really afraid of are Russia, China and the U.S.

All of these countries enforce military leadership over human rights, cause massive pollution and have leaders that think they're fucking Gods. All of these countries spread massive propaganda and are affecting global economy negatively.

Research done by American institutes comes down about 30-40% reliable. Research done by European institutes comes down about 50-60% reliable. America makes up so much bullshit, that it's affected the whole world. America keeps hogging resources to produce useless bullshit like fidget spinners that end up in the ocean as micro plastic, killing us all in a matter of time. After World War II America has killed more innocent people than a couple terrorists would in another hundred years.

Talk about a nation with threatening policies.

>>735786010
>it means I want to improve it. Because not everything in our culture is good. So why keep the bad things?

So you want to get rid of the bad things by adding in more of a culture that still cuts people's heads off for a different magic man in the sky? Or stones a woman because she showed her ass to a different guy? Are you stupid?

Different species of crocodiles have gone extinct. Look at your fossil record. The white man (especially European) is going the way of the dodo, because you forgot what it means to have your own identity. You have it so good, you forgot why a homogeneous society works so well.

>>735786218
How are you this retarded? I just proved that "a few Muslims" can, and have shitted up a culture to an unrecoverable point.

>>735786798
Redneck detected.

More to that regard, America keeps selling guns to extremist groups, firing up the situation and gaining profit. Then barging in in hopes of more profit. You waste your resources on useless bullshit like luxuries and guns and wonder why you're constantly running out.

How retarded are you for trusting leaders like these?

>>735784717
Even if their women dont admit being raped that means nothing as far as the future is concerned. The child would be brought up western.

>>735785570
So what? We are similar here in Australia. I'd rather I pay a bit more for luxuries but be comfortable if I ever have major health problems.

>>735786621
We'd also have to reform the healthcare industry in the US to make it work. In countries that have universal care or universal insurance, the government negotiates with care providers and sets a standard price for all common procedures. This keeps prices from skyrocketing. Also, doctors saleries are more tightly controlled (no charging you $200 for checking on you for a minute in the hospital). Docs would not like that. Of course, countries with universal care also tend to have lower university costs, so their docs don't enter the health care field with as much crushing debt as ours.

In the end, most of the US's health care, poverty, and infrastructure problems are because we've been playing with a Reagan-esque economic model: low taxes, poorly run government services, poor regulation of the markets, mountains of government debt, a bloated military, and a populace steeped in decades of right wing propaganda and talking points. We're kept convinced that we need a giant military, but we refuse to fund it with adequate taxes. We're told that government services are always garbage compared to private industry, and the GOP will prove it by running the government like a bunch of drunk chimpanzees. We are kept scared of terrorists and dark skinned criminals in inner cities through 24/7 cable news, and we ignore the much larger threats of our unhealthy populace (cancer and heart problems kill more people then Osama ever could) and environmental degradation.

We're pretty fucked.

>>735785729
They're a major part of the population they reside. Not even close to comparable.

>>735787207
You've got a thick head, don't you. You are merely failing to see that all cultures, every culture since the dawn of time, have had bad and good things in them. Lets say we take those bad things, forget them and only focus on the good things. What are we left with? A better society. Simple as that.

What you are accusing of me saying on the other hand, is that merging two cultures is a matter of taking both bad and good things out of those cultures and merging them together. Because you're fucking retarded and can't either understand what I'm saying, or are just so biased on your personal opinions, that you refuse to learn or admit defeat when encountering a better argument.

In short; you're a moron with retarded opinions that thinks he's somewhat clever.

>>735787620
Indeed. 2-3% of our population, where as Yugoslavia had about 20-30% at that time, not even counting those who had not given the info to the registry. The state of modern of the modern Finland government vs. the state of Yugoslavia government at that time etc. etc.

Just goes showing how retarded that guy is and how he has no idea what he's talking about.

>>735787457
The kid will be raised to bow down to the Muslims just like they're doing now. You can't be serious. You also neglect to mendtion the women that are willingly going for this Muslim shit.

>>735787810
What on earth could a Muslim culture from the 3rd world possibly have to positively contribute to any modern flesh world country? Are you really that cucked? You have no argument. Why on earth would anyone want 3rd world savages in their country?

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>>735788416
bow down you say?

>>735772613
" but honey we have obamacare, its the best in the world.

>>735772916
Funny how Canadian "free" healthcare involves paying a mandatory health insurance bill every month

>like all other civilized nations
>Talking like this
That girl is what? 5? 6 years old? No kid that young talks like that of their own volition. You put her up to this you exploiting cunt.

>>735788416
Food, for example. Which has made it's way to our culture already.

Besides, cultural progression isn't just a matter of taking old customs, it's also a matter of creating completely new customs. The reason why our societies are crumbling, is because of the rising awareness of knowledge conflicting with our society's structure.

Knowledge, facts. These are something you cannot change. Biased views on the other hand are something you can always change. And you should, because otherwise you're standing in the way of progression and are far worse than a murderer, when thinking about the grand scale of things.

All I've seen from you are retarded accusations that miss the points entirely. Which leads me to believe, that either you don't understand these points, or you are not informed enough to even talk about the subject, or you're just unwilling to face the facts. Or all of these.

Anyhow, no matter the reason, it just makes you retarded.

>>735772613
Because it is not in the interest of rightist-corporatists for the working class to live longer than the ability to produce the next generation.

>>735788507
And indeed, this guy has to be the biggest cuck to lick an Arab Emirates asshole in hopes of some petting. Trump supporter is the only type of hypocrite in the world to say they oppose corporate lobbyists and Muslims.

The guy's a stereotypical Jew, though he's a Christian. Clap clap clap.

>>735772613
because we cant afford it sweety.

>>735789281
>can't afford it
yeah assuming we maintain current military spending and never raise taxes on the rich. Dumbass

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>>735789281
>>735789370
I'll leave you two to argue.

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Trump thinks universal healthcare is a good idea

>>735789689
But we don't really have universal healthcare and our system is pretty broken. Not to mention the guy sitting opposite Trump runs a party that historically cuts funding to things like public services.

>>735789370
This. If you didn't misuse your resources, you would be good to go. But as long as you misuse resources, you can never afford anything useful.

So far your military budget has only affected the world economy in a bad way, left us with millions of casualties and have been a waste of valuable resources. Say, if we were to redirect these resources to health care and education, how much scientific progress would be made in a matter of years?

Right now your education system is so left out, that even history you study is American history only. How can you even participate in politics with such a small amount of data?

Sokrates hated democracy for this precise reason; it's like having many dumb captains to a ship, each trying their best to wreck the ship by making dumb decisions.

>>735789802
>the point
>atmosphere
>your head

>>735789851
I think I got it; I was just adding that since he did actually say this stuff.

>>735789813
a very right wing version of American history since Texas basically sets history content for the whole country

>>735772613
Because that would require theft, and the goal of any government (if it even exist) should be to protect freedom, regardless of any other noble goals.

>>735778783
Do you mean that it isn't feasible to tax the rich in a world where the 10% most rich have over 80% of the total amount of money in the world?

The only problem is catching them and milking that money

wow, look at all you fucking idiots ranting and raving on here about some dumb shit some troll posted. literally none of you in this thread understand a damn thing about politics or society as a hole. I dont think youve taken a look around and realized what kind of a cesspool forum you're posting in. maybe if you all could pull your heads out of your asses and get off the computer, youd be able to affect some sort of actual change in the world, rather than shit-posting nonsense. have a great day jerking yourselves off.

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>>735789895
You are correct. Every government has some propaganda in their education. Finnish government is still, for example, spreading Nixon propaganda about drugs, thus affecting medical science negatively, especially on the psychiatric department. It's also lead to people believing that alcohol is a safe drug, while as cannabis (THC & CBD are 116 times less dangerous compounds than alcohol and less damaging to the brain) is the devil itself. Psychedelics are constantly overlooked as a potential medication for people with mental conditions and are instead provided with very questionable substitutes.

But at least we're not giving bleach enemas to the kids to cure autism.

>>735772613
So I don't have to wait 5 years in line to get the surgery I need.

>>735776616
you could make a point if you weren't such a sperg.

>>735776987
sure kid. lets bring my health care cost back to pre Obama levels.
I'd be saving about seven thousand a year.

wwwww

>>735782373
but you're so ashamed you don't say where you live.

>>735782623
sure kid

>>735788975
>The reason why our societies are crumbling, is because of the rising awareness of knowledge conflicting with our society's structure.
And how the hell do 3rd world savages change that? Especially when they don't adopt the local customs. It's a one way street to them. You change for them. They don't change for you.

Food and all that other shit is nothing. Not only do have access to that via the internet and the recipes, what major impact has that had on your native society?

ITT under 25 and on mommies policy.

>>735790603
Again, you are missing the point entirely. And how does that not make it different, whether you find information about a culture via the Internet or talking to someone from that culture?

You sound like the most black and white person I've EVER talked with. Wow.

>>735790559
I've said it a couple of times in this thread. Finland.

>>735772613
Simlel . Money

>>735790748
*how does it make things different, I meant to type.

It's still a part of that culture, no matter if you read about it from the Internet. You're constantly spewing out stupid shit in your paranoia.

>>735772871
You are a sick Pedophile, hope the LEA knocks on your door!

>>735790779
so you're comparing an elephant to a mouse.

>>735790603
God you're an ass hat. There's an obvious point you keep dodging like a blatant moron.

>>735772613
Because United States is a fucked up country....becoming the arse end of the world!

>>735790748
Learning about something from a media platform, and having it in your own backyard are far from the same thing.

What would you rather do? Learn about crocodiles at the zoo? Or would you rather go jump in a lake full of them?

I say again, what life lessons / enrichment does a group of people that still practice a Bronze Age lifestyle have to offer you? What can they teach you that we don't already know?

>>735791147
yawn.

>>735791193
you have a good point.

>>735791041
How come? First of all, it was YOU that said that I SAID I want migrate into THEIR culture, by simply stating that I want to progress OUR culture by giving up it's bad habits.

Second, it is YOU and only YOU thinking, that I would stand anymore shit from a Muslim than a Christian, or a freaking Hindu.

Third, you are dodging the whole original subject by talking about immigrants, because apparently you have no clever things to say to support your views on it.

>>735791204
Is that the best you can do...no wonder americans are a bunch of dumb asses! With a President to match.

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>>735772613
>free health care
>free
>f r e e

>>735791307
don't answer again kid

>>735791361
yawn

>>735772613
It's complicated sweetheart; but when wealthy people of the world need major surgeries/medical attention they come to the US.

Because I served, honey. I've seen the face of government-run healthcare. You don't want it baby.

>>735772613
cuz that would mean im paying for somebody elses healthcare and we cant have that. Our government must be a free market, not do what government is for, which is making policies, that ud like to have regardless of your socioeconomical status.

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>>735791424
Because you have no arguments to support your fucking bullshit and wish that I would stop telling you the truth you do not want to hear?

Aren't you trendy with your denialism?

>>735772613
Because americans are retards and want to have expensive health care, unlike civilised countries.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-19/10-most-expensive-countries-healthcare-world

>>735791527
>if we wont win the brexit referendum, we will make another referendum, until we win
>we won, brexit referendum isnt best of 3, u cant have another

>>735776616
You know the reason those prices are so high is because of government-run healthcare, right? Medicare will pay literally anything for a pharmaceutical if it's covered, so pharma companies just keep raising prices and keep getting paid more.

>>735791665
doesn't understand I don't argue with children.

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>>735772724
republicunts don't support abortion.
but they are hypocrites so...

>>735772613
We could have it, but people don't want to make difficult choices. We have mom's on Medicaid here, who abuse the ER. Which shouldn't be allowed. The most republican states tend to be poor and use a lot of Medicaid and foodstamps, putting in less than they take. There's also really old people with alzheimers and colon cancer who want to live as long as possible and require expensive care. They also think every young people should pay. And these fucks vote republican. It's bankrupting is. Liberal retards never bring it up and the republicunts are just hypocrites on the issue.

>>735787571
what stops you from buying some good insurance then? without being forced to do so, you know.

>>735791850
That's /pol/ in a nutshell. Also Jews.

>>735789943
Motherfucker why do you think the rich come here. Cheap taxes. If you raise taxes they can just leave for another country overnight. If you raise taxes on the average Joe he just gets shafted. But yeah let's see how many taxes you raise when it starts causing the wealthy to flee.

Stop being a little buttmad bitch that somebody got more than you.

>>735776953
Ditto, except he got a lung transplant, no cost, living happpily

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>>735790084
>pot calling kettle black
hey look anons, it's THAT GUY, the one way up there on the moral high ground who know everything and just HAS to let us know...

>>735791833
Excuse me, would you please point me to the part where you made clever arguments instead of puny accusations based on your current belief of a stereotype? Oh dear, I can't seem to locate that argument. Because apparently it doesn't exist.

So one of us is talking facts here, while the other keeps spewing out nonsense. Which one of us is the kid here?

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>>735772750
>>735773174
>>735788707
>>and everyone other ameritard that is against affordable health care in this thread

Its true that its not free, but its still way better than what you retards have going, i have to pay 24 euros every month out of my 3000 euro salary, for those 24 euros i can get everything from dental care to cancer treatment, tests, staying at the hospital, doctor's appointments or even call doctor to come to my house when im sick. And if im not satisfied with the quality im getting, i can always use the private healthcare that is still 10 times cheaper than what you retards have.

>>735792168
You have a point, but we can own high powered rifles.

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>>735791878

>>735791377
It's not free dumbass. Instead of paying doctors directly, you pay taxes. Dumbass amerifags

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>>735791878
>"""richest nation on earth"""
>healthcare 3rd wordl tier as applied to large part of population

>>735791751
>The prices are so high because of government run healthcare
>It's all the liberals fault
The republican party along with establishment democrats made it illegal for the government to negotiate drug prices. Bernie Sanders wants to allow the import of drugs from Canada, which would break the monopolies many companies have. But sure, keep screaming about the evil socialist boogie man and ignore that your side is responsible for all of this.

>>735791850
yawn

>>735792168
This is what I've been trying to explain the whole time. The American system is just fucking INFERIOR in every way. It costs more, it's more expensive to the consumer and it benefits rich assholes that already keep the citizens under an iron boot, ready to press the kill-button if the slaves disobey.

>>735792115
wow you sperg out when someone disagrees with you.

>>735792242
You can own fake semi automatic jokes if you dont have special automatic weapon license that you gotta pay out of your ass every month for

>>735792376
this argument again. burnout was the draw to bring you kids in.
so how was that freeeeeeeee

>>735792464
no, you are over reacting to his comment. grow up.

>>735792359
it's not free at all, that is exactly the point. that's why op is retarded. you are retarded because you couldn't comprehend a totally basic greentext post. what a fucking idiot, and you're calling amerifags dumbasses, fuckin stupid fucktard.....

>>735792464
If you disagree with me and provide somne actual facts that support this belief of yours, I have no trouble admitting I'm wrong. But when someone just throws retarded bullshit like that, it isn't about disagreement, it's about you being fucking insane.

>>735772613
because there are too many niggers and spics in this country which will never allow it to work

>>735792168
so how would you feel about it if you had to pay 500 euros or over 1000 euros if you were paying for your family instead of 24 euros?

>>735778382
Bullshit. Canada taxes liquor, gas and steak through the fucking roof to pay for your socialist wonderland. No American has ever paid 54 dollars for 750ml of Jack Daniels (real price from the LCBO) Also, you fucking leafs are piggybacking your "army" on the US'. We have more aircraft carriers than you have jet planes. Let that sink in. With out your big bro down south you would be the shittiest province in the USSR. Fucking leaf

>>735792376
Ted Cruz and Bernie both supported it. Drug companies have their hands deep in the ass of both parties.

>>735792558
sure kid

>>735792308
Covfefe

>>735792578
why? we all know how your autism works.
it would be a waste of time.
this is more fun.
please sperg on.

>>735772613
I just found out today that to hire an employee I need to pay taxes based on their income of about 15% (when you include insurance). Then I have to pay additional taxes on the money they make me. It was commission based work. Before I was going to offer 55% is their cut, now I can only offer 48%.


My point is there is a good reason "free" health care isn't available. There are a lot of details involved that you probably don't know about.

>>735792658
what do you mean?

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Daily Reminder
The USA is the laughing stock of the world right now. Enjoy your crippling narcissism.

>>735793192
yawn

>>735793072
Still 10 times more efficient than working 3 jobs and still being able to afford to even fix your teeth

>>735792399
>>735793228
go to bed junior

>>735793072
Then why is there Medicaid for the poor and Medicare for the old? The issue is that healthcare is a for-profit industry. Medicare isnt limited in drug negotiations.

>>735793263
I don't get what you are saying. Did you mean to say
> 3 jobs and still not being able to afford to even fix your teeth

or something else?

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Fun fact, US has the 4th highest public spending in health care of OECD countries.

>>735793364
> The issue is that healthcare is a for-profit industry.

That IS a major issue, esp. when it comes to hospitals. But it's also reality. And as long as it is "free" healthcare will be far too costly.

>>735793024
So you're just another democrat that defies all logic and fails to argue, which leads to those type of hilarious outbursts to protect your ego from being wrong.

Great job, you are truly a valuable member of society! Now be a good boy and go drink that paint and sue the company that makes it for not putting correct labels on the can, like a true red neck!

>>735793356
you're just another cry baby like so many others.

>>735793474
sure kid. you know who I am.
wonder why I call him a sperg.

>>735793400
And it's still shittier than most. And yet there are people in this thread that deny the possibility of a better system. It's just too hilarious.

>>735793381
oh yeah whoops, 3jobs and still cant afford it

>>735793585
Just to point out that two can play that game.

You still fail to deliver arguments and are merely acting like a baby. We're all laughing at your psychosis.

>>735793856
still doesn't get it

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>>735793918
What, that "I WAS TROLLING ALL ALONG :DD" ? Doesn't make you any less retarded.

>>735792376
I never said it was the liberal's fault asswipe. I said it's the GOVERNMENT'S fault. Government should not run healthcare regardless if it's by the politicians I agree with or not fag.

>>735793741
Ah, that makes sense. I agree. Too many places also only hire PT which is BS.