Do people actually believe Russia had anything to do with the

>>735746156
Comey does, no fuzz

>>735746156
Nope.

>>735746156
I mean, the NSA, CIA, FBI, and Office of the Director of National Intelligence all agree that the Russian government likely interfered in the election. Do you think the Democrats were able to convince multiple intelligence agencies to lie in order to hurt the Republican party?

>>735746733
Are you really asking Troll supporters to think?

>>735746828
It's funny to watch them try.

>>735746156
Yes there is a good chance. Need i remind you about the NSA agent jailed for treason after leaking the classified document about a voter booth that was hacked. Russian is doing similar things to The Ukraine to turn the country against itself. They want to destroy the USA from the inside out as well. Pit us all against each other. I'd say it is working marvelously. We are at each other's throats everyday. No one trusts anyone other anymore.

>>735747432
Fuck you asshole, I don't need you telling me what to think with your fancy logic and reasoning.

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>>735746156
>>735746733
Daily reminder that both parties & as well as various trump secretaries & intelligence agencies have all said russia interfered heavily in the election and are about to (thankfully) smack russia with some more sanctions

Putin's trolls are out in full force trying to sow doubt. There is no doubt. Russia did it, and they are about to get smacked for it. God bless america.

>>735746733
Yes.

>>735747706
>I'm gonna pretend to be angry to compliment a guy and also poke fun at the other
Reddit style

>>735748057
>Because sarcasm is exclusive to reddit

>>735747432
No, the Russia meme was pushed because the puppeteers thought trump wasn't gonna play ball due to some of his non-interventionist rhetoric, so they did that to get the public mad at him to pressure him to go to war. And trump being the spineless two face he is, went to war. Went against his promises on foreign policy, like many presidents before.
Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich told us not to buy into this Russia meme and vocally support trump on this issue (not others) but we didn't listen.
I knew trump was gonna break his promises, which is why I didn't vote for him. I voted for Darrell Castle.

>>735748438
To be this oblivious.

>>735748438
>the puppeteers

Who? Who exactly are you referring to?

>>735746156
It's pretty cool to witness the birth of a new religion. The sycophantic worship of a fucking retard is an amazing thing to see.

>>735746733
Have you actually read any of their 'reports'? Or are you just going by what the media says?

I read the 20 page report they released earlier in the year, the entire document is just about how Russia Today, Russia's state media organisation ran some news articles that might have made the Democrats look bad. That's literally the entire document.

Conversely.

So the BBC is state funded by the UK government, and they ran dozens of articles about how bad Trump was, does that mean the UK government is responsible for trying to influence the US elections too?

>>735748850
It's all fun and games until they start passing out the kool-aid.

>>735749212
Have you looked at where a bunch of the bots that spammed pro-trump/anti-hillary stories on twitter, switched quickly to pro-le penne/anti-macron

>>735749212
Hacking is a completely different ballpark than influential media. Comey influenced the election too.
Either way, whew lad those are some serious mental gymnastics.

>>735748850
Oh man, Trump is quite retarded in a number of ways. But trying to blame 'da evil Russian's' for why they lost an election is downright fucking embarrassing.

It's been what, six months now? Still no one has produced one single shred of concrete evidence that the Russians were involved. There has been nothing but media spin and conjecture.

>>735749618
Yes, that's the point though. This was an 'intelligence report' showing Russia's influence on the election, and the best they could come up with was some news articles from Russia Today. There's zero evidence the Russian's hacked anything, otherwise it would be spread throughout the media instantly.

>>735746156
>Do people actually believe Russia had anything to do with the US elections,

Yes, but it is nothing new. Every country with foreign spies attempts to influence elections.

I think a lot of this backlash is just because you dimwits down there are in disbelief over who got voted in. Clinton is an evil bitch to be sure, but Trump is certainly doing a good job of getting his own government to fight him.

Even if Russia's influence wasn't more than usual, I have no doubt that they are laughing at the chaos he has caused.

Time for another round of Ripley's.

Russia did in fact meddle in the election, going so far as to try and attack database VMs used in the election counting process.

Now for the rest of the story... Russia did this blatantly. They made it deliberate and only halfheartedly attempted to cover their tracks. Why would they do this? Well, the time was right. America has become so partisan that as long as their candidate won it would be acceptable that Russia meddled in the election.
The real kicker is that if Putin hadn't hated Hillary so much she might too have benefited from the attempts to undermine American democracy. Now because of the trail of breadcrumbs Russia left to follow back to the Kremlin, America will continue to doubt the results of elections for generations. This was the whole point, it had nothing to do with Trump. Trump is a useful idiot that is serving his purpose.

TL:DR: Russia hacked the election and did it so it wouldn't be hard to figure out. America goes nuts and becomes less free. Russia wins.

>>735749937
Partly true, but see >>735750027

Can't say how I know all this of course. :)

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>>735749618
>Russia Today did some articles that made Democrats look bad
>OMG THE RUSSIANS ARE TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH THE US ELECTIONS

>BBC does some articles that makes Trump and the Republicans look bad
>........

For all we know. All this super over zealous Trump supports on the internet. You know the ones where you're like "fuck dude you can't really be serious" could just be hacktivist (the ones not trolling anyway). Paid by or working for Russia or some other foreign power. I mean its not any crazier than some of the conspiracies theories(emphasis on theory) floating around.

>>735746156
There was a book released about a month or two ago that claims Hillary and her team came up with the whole Russian things two days after she lost. Don't know if it's completely true, but so far nobody has produced any conclusive evidence that supports Russian meddling in conjunction with the Trump campaign.

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>>735746156

Nice try Ivan.

The jig is very, VERY up for you retards.

http://www.stopfake.org/en/commission-russian-propaganda-has-deeply-penetrated-eu-countries/

http://www.sciforums.com/threads/russias-web-brigades-the-misinformation-wars.157794/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_brigades

http://www.interpretermag.com/14302/

>>735749212

>hurr durr DAMAGE CONTROL!! Quick! Throw them off the trail, comrades!!

>>735750122
I'm not talking about influential media. I'm talking about the possibility the numbers were tampered with, i'm not saying they swayed public opinion. I'm saying there could have been actual tampering with the polls during the elections.

>>735750027
If this was actually the case, then the entire media would be talking about it. Do you really think CNN, MSNBC, CBS or even shitty outlets like BuzzFeed would be staying silent if there was actually legitimate evidence of a hack?

All they do is bitch about how bad Trump is, if there was legitimate evidence we would all know. I mean look at that dossier shit, it was literally a file of made up, unverified shit, and the entire media went insane about it, just because it said negative things about Trump.

>>735750150
>the whole Russian things
That was out before the 2nd debate

>>735750150
This sounds like the much more realistic answer to what actually happened tbh.

>>735749903
Well no. Did you not hear about the NSA agent that was jailed. She was jailed for leaking a classified document saying there was Russian interference at a poll in America. Please go check it out.

>>735750357
>Thinking things need to be on the internet to hack
>Being this ignorant of CS and trying to make an argument over it

Я дyмaю, чтo этo нe пpoблeмa c дpyзьями c Poccиeй. He нecти cтpaхи нaших oтцoв, и миp cтaнeт лyчшим мecтoм.

Signed,
Just some fat Chad in Colorado

>>735749212
Hey, thanks for being so upfront about how completely fucking wrong you are. It's really convenient for me.

The ODNI report was very clear about the fact that Russian efforts at interference were multifaceted and involved much more than state-run media outlets. From the report:

>Moscow’s use of disclosures during the US election
was unprecedented, but its influence campaign
otherwise followed a longstanding Russian
messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence
operations—such as cyber activity—with overt
efforts by Russian Government agencies, statefunded
media, third-party intermediaries, and paid
social media users or “trolls.”

You neglected to mention that Wikileaks and other unconventional outlets were used by Russian intelligence to disseminate information:

>We assess with high confidence that Russian military intelligence (General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate or GRU) used the Guccifer 2.0 persona and DCLeaks.com to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets and relayed material to
WikiLeaks.

Or that cyber-intelligence operations were a major component of Russian interference:

>The General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate
(GRU) probably began cyber operations aimed
at the US election by March 2016. We assess
that the GRU operations resulted in the
compromise of the personal e-mail accounts of
Democratic Party officials and political figures.
By May, the GRU had exfiltrated large volumes
of data from the DNC.

When are you going to start being honest? Russia interfered with the election. There is no asterisk at the end of that statement, and any attempts at denial indicate a refusal to accept reality for what it is.

>>735750566
I never said anything about the internet.

>>735750520
>>735749903
Point being if FBI CIA NSA know anything about Russia actually hacking the election they will most certainly not make it publicly know. If the public knows Russia knows. If the public knows one could say, it means Russia wins.

Oh hello Mr Russia bot spammer. Good to see you again in a thread with the key word "Trump" "Election" or "Russia" here again to spam the thread to reply and image limit.

>>735750239
>web brigades

you mean like Share Blue?

>>735746733
Someone correct me if I'm mistaken, but wasn't the meddling no more that posting memes through various social media outlets? I hardly consider that interfering. Wouldn't be surprised if other countries did it as well (including ourselves).

>>735746156
Today our friends in SIX MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRIES helped us win a tremendous victory against our enemies in RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE. We are at war with RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE. We have always been at war with RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE.
War is peace. Ignorance is strength. Freedom is slavery.

>>735751132
That is a False equivalence. That is a superpac type of thing, vs a foreign government type of thing

>>735751569
Dawwww

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>>735751438
Today our friends in RUSSIA helped us win a tremendous victory against our enemies in SIX MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRIES. We are at war with FACTS. We have always been at war with MUSLIMS
War is peace. Ignorance is strength. Freedom is slavery.

>>735751473
What about us supplying weapons to insurgents in Syria who want to topple their government with violence? Even if it actually was Russia who leaked the DNC emails, why is it bad for them to supply us with information with which to make a decision but okay for us to supply other countries with weapons with which to kill their government?

>>735751415
No there was actual hacking of voter booths, and not to mention the hacking of polling official's emails.

>>735746733
Then why can no one price anything.

>>735751930
>there was actual hacking of voter booths
Even NPR said there was no evidence that any votes were changed. Do you have a source for your claim?

>>735751813
>What about us supplying weapons to insurgents in Syria who want to topple their government with violence?
I'm sorry, but who used the chemical weapons? Did we start their civil war?

And on top of that, rebels are not the same as ISIS.

>>735746156
The thing being investigated is collusion with russians, not vote tampering by russians. Nobody believes they affected the votes, but that Trump and his crew have been compromised by russian contacts.

Your image is a perfect example of accentuating an obvious lie to try and discredit possible truth.

Also democrats didn't lose, democracy did. Trump lost popular vote, but somehow still magically lost because people voting doesn't determine the president. America isn't a democracy, hell its one bad law away from being an aristocracy.

America is on its way to despotism, plain and simple, and then retards like you are fine with just trying to trigger some idiots, but why should you give a fuck, there's no way it could ever affect you right?

>735752312

just fucking post full front stop teasing you faggot

>>735752067
>who used the chemical weapons?
>rebels are not the same as ISIS
I like how you completely danced around the question without answering it.
Why is it okay for us to provide lethal weapons for the purpose of empowering the faction we like in another country, but not okay for another country to provide us with evidence of electioneering?

In both cases one country is interfering with the internal matters of another. In one case, it is with automatic weaponry. In the other, it is information. Why is information so much less acceptable than automatic weaponry?

>>735752773

stop teasing and just post frontal

>>735752316
>but somehow still magically lost because people voting doesn't determine the president
There's no magic to it, that's how our elections have always worked. And Hillary Clinton enthusiastically defended this system as, and I quote, "free and fair elections".
>one law away from an aristocracy
Hardly. Regular judges in Hawaii can block presidential executive orders in the entire nation. There is no possible way that Trump could effect despotic rule.

>>735752572
>In both cases one country is interfering with the internal matters of another
Guess what country is involved in supply Assad. Guess what country has been suspected of trying to influence multiple elections. Have you ever wondered why Russia has only cared about Syria in the middle east? Or do you think Putin actually cares about Assad? Regardless, while I agree, it is not our place to be in the middle east for anything, the same reasons of invading Iraq, were applied to Syria for the US to get involved, and it's too late to back out now, because it's already a humanitarian crisis of their government killing dissidents and innocents.

>>735752060
That is what was said on public record.
Go read about the jailed NSA agent. The one charged with treason for leaking a classified document claiming there was Russian interference at a voter booth.

The spam posting in this thread and any thread that mentions Trump, Russia, or the election. Should be a red flag to everyone.

>>735753039
>There's no magic to it, that's how our elections have always worked.
That's how they always worked, that's not how they were intended to work. Electoral system has been implemented to prevent candidates from large states winning by default because there were simply not enough people in a different state to vote for a different candidate. The system was never intended to operate at this level, I don't know if you're stupid or illiterate by that was a sarcastic turn of phrase "somehow magically" implies the system is broken.
>Regular judges in Hawaii can block presidential executive orders in the entire nation. There is no possible way that Trump could effect despotic rule.
There was also no way he could win, no way he could do half the shit he did so far, and no way he could stay in office so long. You say no way but its happening.

You say there is no possible way that Trump could effect despotic rule like this country hasn't been going towards despotism for centuries. Changes happen in generations not in days, people's votes don't matter, they never mattered, the president is literally determined by a group of people nobody knows anything about, put into their positions by people nobody knows anything about voted into power by proxies elected by people in elections that are not advertised or information spread about in any way. Hell, you talk about Hawaii blocking executive orders. Puerto Rico isn't allowed to get government assistance, file for bankruptcy, or vote.

You think Despotism starts with going to bed a free nation and waking up in dictatorship? This shit happens one law a year.

Also you example makes no fucking sense, executive orders mean nothing, they're not laws, they're proposals, they still have to pass approval by house of representatives and the senate.

>>735753204
>it's already a humanitarian crisis of their government killing dissidents and innocents.
Do we have proof of this?

>>735753674
It's helps add despair to what I see as a healthier political discourse than /pol/

>>735746156
Are you aware of the DNC email hack? That was pretty devastating.....

>>735753926
>people's votes don't matter, they never mattered, the president is literally determined by a group of people nobody knows anything about
lol not according to the 2016 election
even the party that Trump ran under didn't want him to win. No one in power actually wanted this bull in their china shop. He got in because the vote actually *does* do something. If it were "business as usual" for closed-door deals and washington insiders choosing the president, we'd have Hillary.

>>735753204
Guess what question you STILL didn't answer.

>>735753936
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Hamza_Ali_Al-Khateeb
https://twitter.com/GerV29/status/874594611343314944/photo/1
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/815918/syrian-conflict-deraa-assad-troops-bombing-jordan-border-rebels-free-syrian-army3
>barrel bombs are warcrimes now

>>735754175
>lol not according to the 2016 election
>even the party that Trump ran under didn't want him to win.
Fuck off with your hyperbole, I'm talking about the literal electoral college, not about the shadowmen tinhat bullshit you moron.

>>735753926
>Electoral system has been implemented to prevent
wrong
because of speed constraints on news and travel it was impractical for every voter to have an informed opinion on every candidate
so the constitutional assembly decided that the electors would campaign in their respective states and then gather in Washington where they could get an informed opinion on every candidate before casting their vote
the number of electors was determined by seats in congress as congress already had proportional representation and state representation, so parties' (namely the people and the states) interests would be represented
it was known that the electoral college was a very flawed system for selecting a representative of an entire nation, but it was considered good enough because the office of president was very limited in its power with most of the deciding powers of the federal government being seated in the congress

>>735746156
If the TV says so then someone will believe it.

>>735750603
>You neglected to mention that Wikileaks and other unconventional outlets were used by Russian intelligence to disseminate information:

so you're upset that the russians released the truth about hillary. not some covert monkeying around with votes and tabulations on election night, but helped people see the truth about hillary so they can make an informed decision about their vote.

heehahaahaaaa

muh russian votes

why aren't you upset that the guardian cold called american citizens the last election and in previous elections urging them to vote democrat. isn't that worse than merely releasing the truth? telling an american citizen who they should vote for?

>>735754096
>pretty devastating
Yeah, for the Democrats, because people found out that they were electioneering in the primary and lost trust in them. Those leaked emails were confirmed by comparison to Podesta's email account. You're blaming the whistle-blower instead of the perpetrator, it was the DNC's own actions that caused people to stop trusting them. If they'd been playing straight there would have been nothing for Russia to expose.

>>735754384
>wrong
Okay. My best friend has a Masters in ameriacan history, but since some faggot on /b/ googled britebart news I guess he's wrong.

>>735754260
jesus fucking christ, Alright I'll make it very simple for you to translate Sven. Trying to destroy a democracy vs trying to help people overthrow a dictator whom had an 11year old tortured, and never had a say are not morally equivalent. Take your deluded thinking back to /pol/.

>>735754603
>My best friend has a Masters in ameriacan history
doubtful

but if true
your friend's professors were idiots and your friend is an idiot for taking their word and not reading what the members of the constitutional assembly were saying at the time about what they were doing and why

>>735754384
You didn't do too well in civics/ american history did you?

>>735754722
>telling someone the truth
>giving someone a gun
You're correct that they aren't morally equivalent. Your defense of the latter seems to be "the end justifies the means". Funny how you do a triple-backflip from "blow the lid off corruption" to "destroy democracy" so easily.

>>735755553
>"blow the lid off corruption"
Yep, Russia is only a liberal issue, nevermind they tried to hack the RNC as well, but sure keep doing your own mental gymnastics. Barrel bombing and chemicals weapons seems like your version of the end justifies the means of solving dissent.

>>735755834
These are two different topic though. It's comparing apples to oranges.
You're the one doing these mental gymnastics.
Anons explanation here >>735754722
Still applies to your argument here>>735755834

Lets not forget Assad has been using chemicals weapons against innocent civilians.
Either way this is far beside the point and doesn't really apply to the original discussion to this thread.
Let it be known i am just another Anon reading through the thread and not the Anon with whom you've previously been discussing.

>>735756603
I'm confused, there's 3 links of mine in there. Am I doing the mental gymnastics? I'd honestly like to know.

>>735756994
I believe I made several miss clicks anon. Haha

>>735756994
>>735757459
I will say i agree with you in your post here>>735754722. If that can clear anything up.

>>735757589
Ok, thanks, still I dunno anymore, I feel as if I'm literally arguing with russian shills now. Wouldn't answer a single question I asked, just kept accusing me of ignoring their question, which I though I was answering. I think they are getting more efficient, as now I doubt myself, even with evidence to back it up, as people will just claim sources aren't reliable, and unsourced material is facts.

>>735758007
I'm sure most, if not all, are just trolls. Either way it still stands. There is something odd happening in The USA at the moment. Whether it is Russia or another foreign power. There is too much talk by government agencies to ignore. We know some but there is so much they are keeping very secretive. If there was really nothing going on we wouldn't have a special committee investigating. There wouldn't be government officials being charged and questioned. Only time can really tell.

>>735758645
right on /b/ro, don't lose faith in the government, it's the only thing that keeps our government working, and the only way we can get to the bottom of this whole problem.

>>735758920
True. I just hope we can all (the country as a whole) just stop the name calling. Stop ignoring and demonizing each other and just have a relatively civil discussion about the topics. I'll say i've been rather impressed by how civil the discussion in this particular thread became. Considering it is till /b/ after all.

>>735750603
>You neglected to mention that Wikileaks and other unconventional outlets were used by Russian intelligence to disseminate information:

Except there's no evidence for that.

>>735759604
I noticed it back around june, that there was more fair conversations on /b/ than /pol/ and it really made me wonder... Kinda makes sense now I guess. And actually most of these threads become more civil than this one, and that is why the spam bot comes here to try to disrupt this, and it's very annoying.

Rural people shouldn't vote.

>>735759832
The spam bot is troubling. From what i understand if you report him. You will get a ban for "frivolous reporting".

>>735760268
It's my understanding that gook moot has been bought by the Trumplets.