Do you have visible abs? If so, do girls really mire them or

>>734732760
Eat less, work out more, get fit and find out anon.
Resigning yourself to being fat is giving up anon.
I used to be fat, then I started going everywhere on my bicycle, now I just have a bit of chub that I plan on getting rid of through other sources of exercise.

If your aditude is shit they wont bother fuckin with you

>>734732760
It's a pain in the ass to keep, but it gives you guaranteed pussy anytime you want

>>734732760
Not a myth. You'll even want to jerk yourself off more because you'll be so hot.

>>734732986
Really? Abs make it that much easier to fugg?

>>734733110
It's a pretty no brainer idea anon.
Getting healthy will attract mates, since being healthy can ensure healthy offspring.

>>734733110
Yup, all you have to do is wear a tight fitting shirt or go to the beach and all the hoes literally just look them

>>734733345
do you workout a lot or play some sport?

>>734733414
I play sport but only to get out of the house, i do workout thrice a week thou

>>734733414
Bro if you can't talk to them you cant go further. but being healthy does help attract them

Does being fit attract hate from other guys?

>>734733737
To add to this, being healthy also promotes self esteem and that will help you find partners.

>>734732760

Abs are great but if you're under 6 foot and have no money you aint getting no bitches.

>>734733778
If it does, all that shows is that they are shitty jealous guys.
People who treat you badly for stuff you've achieved aren't worth hanging around anyway.
Just don't become a self important cunt after achieving stuff.

>>734733778

who fucking cares

>>734732760
I did 10 years ago (35 now). It took a lot of dieting, basically hyper cleaning eating with 2 hours of gym time a day. Im a big guy and can get swole easier than most but super ripped was always tough as i like to eat. It was cool but honestly not worth the effort, women really don't give a shit about abs.

>>734733900
>If it does, all that shows is that they are shitty jealous guys.
Interesting, does that usually come from fat people or what?

>>734733830

what about over 6ft with abs and no money? (me)

>>734733345
>>734733414
>>734733720


Samefag is literal fag.

Abs will help attract a girl who feels being with a guy with abs makes her pretty.

They are an accessory to her. nothing more.

You either find a girl who lets you love her and is the girl you love or you mizewell just pay for it.

Yes, being more attractive will improve your chances with interactions with the opposite sex, but if you aren't a 10/10 your looks won't keep them. Go out and acquire social skills to be more personable

Yes but I'm clean bulking arm so only traces of them show. They're more impressed with your build though. You wear a shirt 99% of the time so it's not a priority. Most aesthetic body parts are shoulders, arms and chest. No one gives a fuck if you have abs but are a skinny pathetic skeleton with a 15 year olds body

>>734734015
>Most aesthetic body parts are shoulders, arms and chest
This.
Guys with strong arms and chest always look great even with a shirt on, it also passes on a sense of security for some reason

>>734733950
It usually comes from stupid people and every group out there have their version of them.
But yeah think of it likes this, misery likes company, if you're working on not being miserable you're bound to meet people who resent you for it.
Their opinion shouldn't factor in though, you'd be doing this for you, not for them.

>>734733995
This isnt about gf its about p00sy

>>734734079
this.

Don't showcase nipples tho. like a faggot.

>>734733939
Along the road you don't do it for woman anymore you should know this with your 10 years of lifting. Woman are always a part of it but not as much as you used to do in your first 2 or 3 years

>>734732760
Yes, they adimre them. It's a basic sexual attraction of what we humans think of as beautiful. The same way men goes crazy over boobs on beautiful women. Stop fucking asking stupid pathetic question.

>>734732760
At least morbidly obese anon AKA me gets to enjoy his meals. Whens the last time you ate a good meal?

>>734734159
Oh ok then- yeah, it'll help you get pussy from insecure girls. they might get crazy and you'll harden yourself towards women.

have a blast. like literally, have a blast of semen

>>734734244
Last thursday, getting healthy doesn't stop you from eating well, it just entails you working a bit more to burn it off.

This thread makes me realize I have a lot to be thankful for just for genetics
>tall
>thin so abs
>not really ugly
>white
>normal hairline
>good teeth

>>734734207
no, you just sound intelligent thru tone, cynicism, name calling and vague associations perpetuated by and in and thru and of the zeitgeist.

>>734734359
>thin so abs
Abs on a skinny guy are like big boobs on a fat girl. No one cares about your abs if you're hungry skeleton

>>734734244
You can eat well while being fit. Being healthy also makes you feel much better than stuffing your mouth

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>>734733995
>girls wanting accessories instead of status
You got it all backwards, anon. Men want girls for accessories. Those are like trophies. Women go for status. And being fit as fuck give you instant respect and in turn status. Given you dont autism all over the place. So yes, being fit not only gives you sluts, it will get a gf.

But hey, what do I know. Keep looking for the one that will love your cuddly belly.

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>>734734403
Skelingtons will try to justify anything. They look rediculous

Many people start lifting for abs, but when you start making gains you'll realize other things matter more.

For me personally, the biggest benefit of being fit is having good shoulders and back. It's what makes you look fit in clothes. Abs you can show off only in specific settings like a beach.

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At the moment I work part time as a naked butler and so my workout and diet plan has been changed to give me visible abs at the moment. Pic related.

Outside the hen parties where girls scream over them and it's easy to fuck any of them, they don't actually get me anywhere. Yeah, some people find them impressive but most people are intimidated. The vast majority of guys get jealous and treat me like shit and a lot of girls pre-emptively turn me down so that they don't risk rejection.

They can help, but personality, status and money are way more important to women.

>>734732760
OP just do some fucking exercise

>>734734546

>Men want girls for accessories

lol what the fuck

I want an attractive girl to use as a cum recepticle and to birth me beautiful children, nothing more.

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>>734734386
>>734734386
>>734734386
>>734734386

can this post be a banner or something?


/b/ in a nutshell

>>734732760
I do have them and I've never really seen girls checking me out. It's probably because I have an ugly face so once they see that they move on to the next guy.

>>734734731
do you wear tight clothes to try and make your shoulders/back more visible or is that not even needed?

>>734734782
I said men, not delusional basement dwellers.

>>734734782
You want kids with a person you don't respect or have a friendship with?
How are you going to provide a stable environment for your kids through that?

>>734734403
meh

at least I've seen muscles that whales never will

I never want to see anything my body can have while obese - imagine never seeing your penis or its real length

I don't think anyone does

>>734734546
Nothing you wrote contradicted what I wrote.

I don't have a cuddly belly. I am skinny and have muscles from working and some free wights and pull ups. I am a recovering alcoholic so I have some kinda sorta spare tire that disappears in the morning and when I stand up straight at night.


Being 'fit' only gives you status if you're a homo or an athlete in HS. and the fitness just leads to being an athlete- meaning, a respected athlete is probly fit.

Otherwise, everything I wrote is true.

Society wants you to be a wageslave and a cuck. they want you orphaned from God and exploited by man.

>>734734851
Or you might be oblivious to them checking you out because you think you are ugly and aren't looking for it.

>>734734869

you clearly have no experience with women, boyo.

>>734734860
Not needed, shirts that fit you usually become tighter automatically and a larger size will be too big. People that look like they wear tight shirts in public to show off generally really aren't trying to.

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GO TO THE FITT BOARD NOT B FUCKING NEWFAG KILL YOURSELF

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>>734734938
Jesus mate, I really hope you are bating me with that redpill delusions, I really do. If you really believe even half of that shit you are spouting, get back with the bottle.

>>734735018
broad and strong shoulders are fucking hot anon, no homo. If you're tall and have a decent face you win the genetic lottery

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personality and social skills trump everything. aesthetics matter but at end of day if u are an autistic a girl wont want to be with you, even if u have abs

I was skinnyfat most of my life. When I hit 19 I wanted to change it before I get old, so I singed for box lessons. Trained 7 years, never got good at this because I started too late to be champion, but got fine body from training. I didn't notice much change in relations with women. Those who noticed were stupid, ugly sluts anyway. About 99% of compliments I got were from other guys.

>>734734738
>naked butler

I'd rather live under Islam than with this shit. It is embarrassing to be a man.

Of course I'm jealous of a 'guy' who is with women in ways diametrically opposed- not even diametrically opposed, fucking DIMENSIONALLY opposed to the way I am with women.

At least he's honest kinda.

>>734735114
Literally 80% of females check me out I love it

>>734735018
Fucking this. Getting a shirt in this age of twink boys is fucking nightmare. Either my shoulders and biceps so tight its cutting circulation or there is enough room between the shirt and my abdomen to fit a basketball

>>734735252
In what settings do you notice that the most? Bars, clubs, work?

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>>734735169

What the fuck are you even trying to say?

>>734735092
I don't sound anything like a redpill guy.

Redpills are often spot-on with describing what women are but then, they hate them and everything women are.

I love what women are but am not a fan of what they often do, usually cuz men failed them or whatever.

>>734735295

A shirt is easy compared to buying jeans. Almost worth skipping leg day just to find a pair that fit.

>>734735327
He is jelly and insecure, combined with some vague sense of deeper meaning. Thats it basically.

>/b/ talking about girls

>>734735327
That sums up how I feel a bout a 'naked butler'...

>>734735301
Really anywhere in public man, I haven't drank in over a year since I used to have addiction issues for 12 years. Like I have to avoid even going to a certain grocery stores cashier because she's obsessed with me

>>734734860
no need really, even with baggy clothes my traps are quiet visible

>>734735412
Nope.

Jealous of what? Insecure on a board full of insecure guys who hit the gym to deal with insecurity?

LMAO
>vague sense of deeper meaning

A naked butler is opposed to everything you'd wanna feel when holding a woman...

>>734735620
Brah...really? Girls don't give a fuck about traps no offense

>>734735531

That you get so jealous you want to live under some sort of Islamic law that would forbid naked butlers from working private parties where you'd never see them anyway?

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>>734735358
Oh, thanks for the fun fact about you, my friend.

What matters is that you are completely wrong on the subject of fitness affecting status. Its really fucking no brainer and I dont know why the fuck do I even need to explain it further, but here we go. Being fit not only makes you larger and more intimidating, it shows dedication, health and power. This will always, anywhere and at any time subconsciously raise your status. As somebody mentioned here. Guys are insecure near you, they will constantly talk about how they played sport or lifted weight but then had to stop. Insecure girls will assume you are a chad and will immediately shut you off.

Its such a basic concept I am surprised you are functioning adult. What will you tell me next, that being manlet doesnt mean you are eternally BTFO in the eyes of everybody?

>>734735689

Also,

It's like some other-dimensional shit. Twilight zone sexuality.

>vague sense of deeper meaning

Hit me socio-political bullshit mixed with weird progerian dementia and buried butthurt...

>>734735702
Nope.

>>734735689
>people who lift must be insecure
Jesus mate, your own insecurity is oozing out of your posts like crazy. How badly were you bullied in high school?

>>734735692
Everybody loves traps, its what makes you huge while wearing a shirt. Not arms, not your chest, but traps and shoulders.

>>734735551
get over yourself faggot. not going into a grocery store because a girl is obsessed with you? Holy fuck ur ego

>>734735929
actually theyre called lats biceps and chest .

Abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym.

>>734733110
If you dont got a shirt on, yeah. Clothed, build big back, glutes and triceps...and some traps.

>>734736017
Oh I go to the grocery store but avoid her. I was just giving an example. Sorry but I can be into myself as long as I don't become too much of a narcissistic prick. Nothing wrong with that at all

>>734735756
No, none of that sounds true at all.

Girls you wanna be with are with fit guys but it's because of their lifestyle- fuck it.

I don't feel like writing anymore you win.

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>>734736037
Think about it curlbro. All those groups are going inward. They dont give you bigger frame. I am not trying to say that those dont make you look good. But what matters in shirt is the outward muscle groups that makes your frame bigger. And those are shoulders, traps and maybe triceps if you want to count arms.

>>734736314
Not true at all. Disregard this clown because he doesn't even make sense

>>734736129

I really fucking hate this cliched saying, but it's true. Everybody has abdominal muscles, it's the layer of fat over them that you need to worry about.

So skinny guys have visible abs despite never going to a gym in their lives, and the best abs in the world may not ever be seen because they're hidden by a few too many KFC buckets.

No body type matters if you're rich.

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>>734735929
Nope, never said what you're implying.

Am not out of shape. am skinny yet muscular. not swollen with some womanly pride.

fuck, I hate /b/. This is, IDK, the spirit of you fuckers.

>>734736307
I am not talking about girls, bro. I am talking about you, your mother, your grandmother, that guy walking his dog at 8 o'clock. Literally everybody who sees you being fit will immediately assume your status is much higher than that of a skinny dude.

>>734736425
I can stomach you not agreeing, but are you actually retarded that you dont understand what muscle groups affects your frame the most?

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>>734736468
this. woman want you to provide for them so they can be women. if you have muscles it's in the same vein as that.

fuck /b/

>>734736518
>full of insecure guys who hit the gym to deal with insecurity?
Thats not even implying. Thats straight up stating that people who workout are doing so to hide their insecurity.

>>734736314
how do you build a big chest. bench . ancillary muscle groups are triceps and front lats. lats are built with rows and deadlifts. you also get erectors, biceps, rhomboids, and traps from doing these exercises . but keep doing your chins and shrugs retard

>>734736561
Ok, I agree with that. It won't get a girl to be *your* girl.

>>734736561
You can have a bulky frame but that doesn't mean good aesthetic, the muscle groups you posted will make you look like a fridge. Inward muscles? The fuck are you even talking about, what do you think lats are? They're going to widen your back lmao. You don't even make sense

>>734735692
>girls dont give a fuck

heres your first offense kid. you lift for your self-image, not specifically for girls. when you have big traps/shoulders/back and with a decent height, you look imposing and if you're also confident it's a good image to have.

if you think abs or anything will get girls to genuinely like a beta loser who has the emotional perception of a turnip, you're dead wrong.

case a point, there are 2 friends who are regulars at my gym. one is complete dyel, comes around does some broshit when he's not bored. the other is roided af. i know for a fact the 1st one has fucked god knows how many women, and his current gf looks like a model. the short roider is so self-conscious he cant even make eye contact with girls, let alone approach them.

tl;dr if you lift for girls, you're not gonna get them. no amount of lifting cures autism

>>734736686
No, not all. a lot. I work out and am insecure. I think men should be insecure so they constantly seek improvement. Men make women secure.

Now I sound like a sap. shit's impoissible.

>>734732760
they mire them, but your personality is what will really get a girls panties off with the most consistency.

>>734736719
Why would I do chins, you wanted to build lats and biceps. I will do my diddlies, military press, pullups and accessories to build frame.

>>734736750
v taper= fridge

>>734736755
Try lifting for both, ugly fucks like you justify "it's only for themselves " as if they don't care about self image which is just natural. You're not fooling anybody

front lats and chins to build delts lmao

>>734736468
was waiting for the kissless virgin autistpost

>really handsome face
>but a bit chubby
>started working out hard 4 months ago
>girls actually looking at me now
>stopped fapping to traps twice a day
>got a job and car so parents kicked me out
>don't sit on 4chan 10 hours a day, maybe like 1 hour now, still addicted though.
>feeling really good about life now

Holy fuck anon, maybe if you want soge change in your life you gotta actually do something. The first step is always the hardest and once you're on the second and third its like "The fuck was I worried about? Should have started sooner."

The two only things I regret in life was my previous pornaddiction and not working out sooner.

>>734736883
How does that even make sense? Lmfao

>>734737000

Are you me? Well, apart from the traps bit. I was on the full blown gay porn.

Also check'd

>>734736750
Are you sure you didnt lose sight of what we are talking about? We are talking about what makes you look fit in shirt. Your chest isnt even visible while wearing shirt. Same for your arms. Of the groups you listed back is most visible in shirt, so I take that. And if you somehow started talking about aesthetics, then I agree with everything you said. Though once again, we are talking about looking fit in shirt.

>>734736965
so you did it yourself?

>>734737152
Your chest isn't visible in a shirt? Holy fuck you're done.

>>734736827
Between the roman boipussy image and your last reply I completely lost you. But cool that you are working out, keep at it.

>>734736948
i don't think you understood me you dumb cunt. of course looking good is part of the package, but if your mindset is "i dont look good now, girls dont like me now, but when i get fit everything will change" aka "lifting for girls", i guarantee you it wont play out that way. I know fit autists and i know skellys drowning in pussy.

what lifting does for your image is make you look more confident. and unless you're a swimsuit model or a lifeguard, you wear clothes most of the time. so looking good in clothes, aka having a good back and shoulders, is what matters the most in your daily life. what op asked, aka the fantasy of a girl going "wow nice abs" once you're already naked, is essentially a validation fantasy. but if you're craving validation so much, chances are you wont make it

get it faggot?

>>734737192

not that guy

I've started exercising regularly.
Lifting weights every day or 2nd day, trying to eat more and cutting everything unhealthy, anything with sugar, drink tons of water.

Well for the first time in my life since this I got a fine ass girl who isn't really a girlfriend, doesn't expect anything from me, but it has happy just chilling, fucking. Someone I connect with genuinely and connects with me.

I'm not even ripped imo, my body is still skinny and doesn't have enough muscle mass but now more than ever girls are into me and make it obvious. One girl thought I was gay because I didn't care she was hitting on me at a party.

If you want to work out you will feel better and like yourself more but it doesn't solve all your problems, if you're doing it for girls the next step is how good you are at making them cum because the body only gets you through the door. Some girls will never shut that door but the ones that you have to try for are the only ones you'll care about.

>>734736129
Thats not true. Because arb grow to and you have to train them anyways as you get bigger to match the rest of the body

>>734734968
No. I have a very weak chin (almost non-existent), severely receding hairline and a big nose. My face is a babe repellent.
I've accepted my station in life and am happy for the most part.

>>734737492
Girls always loved me, but it's only increased. Nice assumption dumbass but not everyone on here are ugly virgins.

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>>734737227
What kind of shirt do you wear that shows your chest?

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>>734737304
I was saying everything is extremely gay.

Men should work hard and women are a reward. Women also work hard as homemakers and mothers. Women ar ethe lov eobject and being loved is their reward.

Men love women. Women loving men, such as a naked butler, is grotesque and senseless. Just look at a woman's face if you're with her.

It makes men seem more feminine than women which is impossible because femininity is defined by women.

This is an ontological, existential discussion beyonf the scope of 4chan- dealing with poetic and spiritual truths.

Also- related in some way- 4chan is correct about cuckery but only it's existence. They are then duped into a sort of Greco-Roman mahcismo which is made'not gay' thru projection onto women and the male-female dynamic (Naked butlerism) which makes that- even that- seem gay.

This, this webm, is all that is left that's not gay to me.

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>>734737701
Uh any Tshirt or polo

>>734737849
not the anon you're talking to but that chest looks strong man, reminds me a of a swimmer build

>>734737849
Guess there is the problem then. I was talking about actual shirts for workplace environment.

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>>734734738
>vast majority of guys get jealous and treat me like shit

lul, almost believed you until you said that dumb fucking line. No guy even cares faggot

>>734737137

>full blown gay porn

Yeah... Porn is a really really REALLY slippery slope, gradually over years.

I was at the point where when I was watching I would self insert myself (autogynephilia I think) into the traps role and imagine myself as them. Its very distracting and all I could ever think about, never finding joy in anything else anv completely unmotivated to do anything.

Now since then I probably fap once a week or so when my balls start aching. But now I get very very aroused by even a woman wearing a risque top or short pants.

But yeah, porn and video games really fucked up all aspects of my life before I stopped.

>still no gf because when i talk to them literally nothing in common, though can talk to them now instead of being a complete social autistic
>TFW no qt history loving right wing gf to snuggle with and watch documentaries about Rommel or Napoleon

>>734737912
Cable crossovers low/high and dips are amazing, everyone thinks only benching gets a nice chest...seriously recommend it

>>734737662
what assumption you retard? we're essentially agreeing. what im saying is if you're in most professions, aka wear shirts all day, muscles that make you look fit in clothes are the most important. you are the one that said "girls dont care", with the implication that people should lift for girls or that lifting will impress girls.

i hope you're not lying about looking good, cause you wont get by with smarts thats for sure

>>734737814
Alright, you went too deep for me.

>>734737969

https://www.itailor.com

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>>734732760

Six packs of course help, but acting beta will reduce their effectiveness. An average looking guy with tight game can be a better player than a gym rat who pedetalizes women and gives them free meal tickets.

Yes, muscles help, but don't forget to change your attitude as well.

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>>734738035
Nah

>>734738026
you ever had girls compliment your chest?
also no homo but is it shaved or hairy?

>>734737814
this is what autism looks like boys

>>734738209
your thyroid looks swollen. you should prolly get that checked

>>734734244
You realize being very muscular means you can eat more right? One pound of muscle is equivalent to five pounds of fat in relative weight, and muscle needs a lot more calories for proper protein synthesis and refueling of carbs to the body. If you went to the gym and just worked out for at least a hour to hour and half a day for 2-3 years and then looked at yourself from beforehand, and still eat exactly the same as you do, guarantee you'll not regret putting in that effort, although 75% of building a good physique is diet.

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>>734738234
that's kinda homo.

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>>734734703
lol I think I know this guy hahahah, more?

>>734738426
>kinda
you're too nice anon

>>734738325
Looks bigger there but you're actually on point. I was planning to get some blood work done but kept putting it off. Now that someone noticed I'm definitely going to. Thanks lol

>>734738426
Its not homo since he said no homo. Learn the rules.

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>>734737661
lol I'm really curious to see that. Post photo pls bro.

>>734738387

This. Don't eat less just eat better. And eat MORE and BETTER if you're working out.

Instead of that microwave Mac n cheese or pizza have a big bowl of rice, chicken and brocoli.

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>>734738536
FU

>>734738536
>have a big bowl of rice, chicken and brocoli.
Yeah, I dont think you are going to attract the fatties with this.

>>734738234
Yeah not very often, it's usually arms. I have baby skin even at 25 so shaved. But double stimulation work really does seem to work for growing out lacking muscles

>>734738536
>>734738645
*and sriracha
there you go guys that'll actually taste gud

>>734738714
>double stimulation work
what is this?

>>734738536
There's tons of nutrional foods that still taste good out there too, there's a ocean more than rice, chicken and brocolli, although I love all of those, not everyone's a fan. He could always just go permabulk, prob wouldn't be healthy but atleast he's working out too

>>734738767
it's where you massage semen into the muscles that need extra tone, then you work out while it soaks testosterone in to them

>>734738854
>>734738767
Anon, obviously forgot to say that the semen cant be yours. That would be like cutting your muscles to eat protein.

>>734733110
this is fucking retarded. If you are an autist looking good won't help you. I look pretty good and am a /fit/izen, still just sitting in my room all day thinking about what the fuck I am doing with my life. You also don't want those girls that just care for your appearance.

Having a attractive body helps, but if your a dick then you'll never get a GF. The most attractive things you can have, be a nice person, and be confident. But at the same time, no one wants to date you if your morbidly obese, lose some pounds!

>>734738645

Well they can continue being fat and miserable.

You are what you eat and 3/4 of looking and feeling good is eating well.

You can still eat lots of food but for the love of Christ put down the hamburger.

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>>734735040
touchy! (but correct)

>>734739037

I am a fatty fatass who got sick of it. 6'3" 320lbs. Middle of April I said "No more! Well, maybe mostly no more." And started just watching what I eat. Probably faddish, but I'm doing that whole "Track your macros, bruh" thing and substituting crappy food for less crappy food

This morning's weigh-in: 289 and some change. I'm still a fatass, but my pittance of exercise and not stuffing my face whenever I get sad / bored / distracted / horny has definitely helped. Now to gear up and lose those last 69 lbs.

>>734738767
Basically doing some pump work the day after hitting that muscle. Say you hit chest then the day after doing some type of excercise like flys or crossovers to refeed that group. I'll do cable flys and crossovers 3x15 and do 5 second reps

>>734739384
Your chest will feel amazing, you'll feel it really working .

>>734738503
np. dont get too worried, prolly hashimotos or something

>>734739384
so aside from the good looks, what kind of strength benefits does a strong chest give? pushing strength?

>>734737990

You've just disproved your own point. Faggot.

>>734739612
Exactly, I had that 10+ years. Lowest dose of synthroid

>>734739633
I mean yeah but I do a whole lot better with endurance. Strength is increasing linear now though.

>>734739845
are you tall?
also more chest pics pls no homo

>>734738939
I can confirm, I'm tall, athletic and have decent face genetics, but girls lose interest once they realize that I'm insecure and have a personality that is pure autism.

6'3 175 mostly muscle here, pussy is easier but shallow as hell. Not worth it I can't take women seriously at all anymore.

>>734740050
that's some good stats anon

>>734739845
you're taking pills and its still swollen?

oh boy. well gl anon, hope its nothing

>>734740151
Nope, used to I meant. Phone browsing sucks

>>734739336
good for you. congrats on the weight loss.

>>734740307
ah well like i said above, you are a retard. hashimoto's never goes away, even if you;re on low dose t4 you should take it for life. so either you, or your doctor is retarded.

ask for an ultrasound too.

>>734732760
I did a few years ago, will probably have them again soon.

Yes they mire. Depending on a number of factors.
How visible, how many, how symmetrical, how proportional you are in general, how hairy you are (I'm super hairy, so my abs really only look good when they are pronounced and actual thick, as opposed to just being skinny).

Also stop being morbidly obese. It's really not as hard as you make yourself believe it. Go to /fit/. Browse it as hard as you browse /b/. They are pretty gay over there but lots of good advice as well. Start slow. Learn how to eat properly, take baby steps in workouts. In a few months you'll step on a scale and go "Holy shit! I lost 10 lbs!" and then you just kind of get addicted to it. Getting stronger, leaner, faster, healthier.