Why aren't you a communist ? Capitalism exploits the worker

>>734162046
No, because we arent rich entitled college kids brainwashed by kikes.

>>734162046

turns out communism exploits the workers even more....Did you miss the past century?

>>734162260

it doesn't fail on small scale. Like in small communities it works. It just can't work in any situation over 100 people.

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>>734162200
>>734162296
>>734162407

>>734162046

communism is a great idea in theory, but it doesn't take into account human nature, which is why it's actually a very stupid idea, especially in the post Freud era.

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>ITT: shitlord capitalists defending their failed system
top sozzle

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>>734162046

>A Doctor goes to school for 7+ years
>Gets paid the same as a guy who picks cotton

The Doctor isn't incentivised to do hard work because he makes the same as everyone else, and neither are the unskilled workers who make the same as Doctors.

It's lose lose. Not to mention all the murder and fascism.

>>734162046
any working class person who is anti-communism is brainwashed into buying a mortgage and paying car payments.
they can not afford to go any other route.
they can't afford to stand up for thier own working rights.
the bank doesn't give two flying fucks if they miss a few payments because of strike action, the bank will take the car and the house and sell them at a profit to some other stupid fuck.

>>734163190
>ITT: Commies try to do the same thing
Kek

>>734162568
Look at those cuck resources.

>>734162470
As in no country ever.

>>734162046
How do you determine the value of goods or services?

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>>734163301

>>734163362
Seychelles does alright.

>>734163416
No, it's socialism - An image won't suddenly convince me otherwise.

>>734163416
stop debating retards on /b/ who don't care, go to /biz/ or /pol/ and debate people whose opinion differs from yours

>>734163306
Underrated post

>>734163355
Yeah because anyone who disagrees with you is a cuck get real man and get some decent argumentative skills here you debate like a fuckin child

>>734163416
>implying you can take wealth from doctors in communism.

Why would someone with wealth ever be a doctor in communism. For the good of their fellow man? kek

dangerous point of view. The American system is the gold standard. Not perfect by any means, but the best of what we've got. Be grateful for that.

Not a godfag, keep in mind, just thankful

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I'm not a communist because I enjoy being alive and not under authoritarian regime

>>734163416
>no u, the image

>>734163416
Oh yeah, think of those hard working idiots on Government programs who blew all their chances at an education and now are pissed that they're not as rich as other working class people who got a good education and made something of their lives

>>734163720
this
/thread

>>734163521
>Population: 92,900 (2015)
Pls.

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>>734163844
Not everyone had the same opportunities if I start a game of Monopoly and I own most of the assets and you have very little who the fuck do you think is going to win the game

>>734163416
Those that work hard and cannot get ahead in life are where they are meant to be.
Capitalism benefits the strong.
Socialism benefits the government.
If you'd rather live in a socialist system... Move to one. How many Americans do you see dying while trying to flee to a socialist state?
I'll wait here while you wade through your tidal wave of abandoned faggot coffee drinks, skinny jeans, marx t-shirts and self ego to find some semblance of facts to back up your ignorant, self absorbed BS ideals.

>>734162046
mods come quick, we have a 10 yr old on the board

>>734164166
So, your theory is since not everyone has the exact same chance of success, we should take away the possibility of anyone succeeding?

This is what participation trophies does to our country. You, you're the result. You're what happens.

>>734164537
Libertarian socialism in my opinion is totally different it is anti authoritarian it's libertarian in the original sense and I do see people that have to go to Canada to get surgeries and basic medical health care. We don't have it here because capitalism sees healthcare as a product and not a right. Trump wants to do let people starve without EBT. So I guess capitalism completely ignores the poor as well

>>734164904
What I'm saying is 1% shouldn't hold 99% of the wealth you think thats fair ? Fuck thats not even capitalism thats an oligarchy infused with crony capitalism

>>734165146
>what is R&D?

>>734162568
>18 million die each year from poverty related causes

The majority in authoritarian African shitholes where the population greatly exceeds the amount of people the land can sustain. Not Capitalism

>global agriculture can feed 1.18 times the global population, people still go hungry

because the food has all moved into the rich capitalist countries, away from backwards dictatorships where the government don't care about their people because they don't need their votes. Not Capitalism

also
>forgetting about the tens of millions who died under communist shitholes like the USSR and Red China as a result of Communism

>enough vacant homes for every homeless person

Homelessness is a genuine issue, but capitalism has bought it to an all time low. Most of those homes are sat on by banks who wait for interest and look for buyers, but I feel it should be made easier for these homes to be rented out and perhaps a tax on unused business owned property should be introduced.

>people are in debt

Their fault, learn to live within your means

>Capitalism doesn't work

Bullshit, it's bought prosperity to the West while other nations starved or were stowed away in commie blocks

>>734165146
>thats not even capitalism

you just debunked your own fucking ideology you retard

>>734162046
only because it would take the entire 1% a years wages to purchase a loaf of bread

we don't need to start a new party or have more money than the oligarchs we're more in number and all we need is a few guillotines

>>734164936
Putting a nice word in front of socialism doesn't change its' endgame. All types of Socialism turn into Socialism.
No, capitalism isn't perfect. We've currently slipped into a corporatism, not capitalist. It's been proven that capitalism has ended more hunger and poverty than any other system that's been attempted.
Also, healthcare is NOT a right. You have the right to life, you do not have the right to demand service from someone because you're an entitled little brat. It costs a doctor 8-10 years of school and hundreds of thousands of dollars for med school. After all of that, you're saying their services are to be handed out against their will? Bernie has fucked your mind beyond comprehension. Look up Bernie's primary financier, and see if you still feel the same way. change.org ----> George Soros.

You don't want communism. You want socialism

>>734165298
So you agree that the US is a oligarchy built on crony capitalism ?

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>>734162046
Capitalism gives the common man the opportunity to take an idea, and with capital from his own labor or through investors' capital, and develop a product, etc.

He is then free to price it at what the market decides is the value. And from there, our industrious friend employes others, grows the business and creates wealth - by being allowed to take risks he can reap the reward.

In your retarded fantasy world, the "workers" -eg. government - would smother this innovator with regulation or outright steal it from him "for the people."

No incentive for the janitor to become the doctor. You take away the agency from the individual to control the value of their labor.

Communism inherently steals the liberty from the individual for the betterment of the state.

It has nor will ever work, and has murdered over 100 million people in the 20th century alone.

Commies deserve death. Period.

>>734165298
I'm not >>734165146 but that's exactly why I've stopped replying.

I just realized that I don't know history well enough to make forecasts about the future.

I'm 12 and what is this.

>>734164166
So long as everyone has ample opportunity to succeed and progress in life, which the vast majority of people in western countries have, then there is no issue

While some may be born into more wealth than others, no matter what background you were born into you will lose wealth if you're stupid and lazy, and you will gain it if you're clever and hard working

No, it's not perfect, but if my life's work is ensuring my children don't get bought up in the same white trash commie block shithole that I was born into, it'll be worth ever ounce of effort

>>734165604
capitalism has killed billions.

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>>734165463
Ya ? Look up the koch brothers faggot

>>734162046
>advocating communism before every single need of human beings are automated and no one has to do any labor

Because I'm not a tyrannical entitled 20something with no comprehension of where I end and someone else begins and that's just for starters.

>>734165739
malaria has killed trillions throughout human history. capitalism will cure malaria in this century.

so there's that.

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>>734165739
I know just look at how many people are starving to death every day under capitalism, it's plain disgusting

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>>734166008
starving for attention. kek

>>734162343
Lol Trump is way more Venezuela than Bernie.

>>734162598
It's not even good in theory.

>>734163393
This one question goes unanswered by Communists once again

communists are corrupted politians whom yell to the people that they work for the people, they produce the anarkist riots, they secretely rich themselves with the money of the people.

They buy properties, retire as billionaires when they worked as presidents and senators, living a good life in the capital, travelling around the world, with the excuse that they will participate in workshops.

the great example of shit is the left party in Chile

>>734162470
Yeah Jonestown worked out wonderfully.

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>>734162046

>>734163393
democratically.

>>734162046
They say communism will fail because it has always failed, but what if communism is reinvented with technology? Remove human corruption by using open source software to manage resources.

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>>734166603
wut

gotta add some detail anon.

The US wasn't founded on on crony capitalism, but it turned into it when the federal reserve became privately owned. On and off the gold standard, wall street screwing with our dollar. It's a big goddamned mess. Politicians are currently above the law (hillary), the rich can now affect laws through lobbyists and the media can create whatever news line they want to create mass hysteria without having to be held accountable.

So, yes. Capitalism isn't perfect. Kennedy tried to undo the deep state back in the 60's, and anyone that points out motives to anyone other than oswald is considered a conspiracy theory nutjob.
All in all... Capitalism isn't perfect, and the older I get, the more I scream and curse the news because of it. But I'd much rather sit in front of my 60" flat screen and yell at politicians, get in my 350z to go to the store and buy useless shit on a credit card with high interest rates than stand in line for 6 hours for a loaf of bread. The relief of knowing that "Everyone has the same miserable existence that I do" isn't comforting enough to take away my luxuries, my fast food and my half asian gf.
Fuck Karl Marx, Fuck Stalin and fuck ole anti-economist bernie.

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>>734166456
You seize the means of production and then you vote democratically and assign wages that will benefit everyone

Keep the 1% but tax them 20%

>>734163301
Most communist systems take need and required skill into account though. Why would everyone be paid the same thing?

>>734166606
open source human nervous systems might work.

>>734163306
I'm self employed so I handle my own shit. Paid cash for car, cash for home. Capitalism feels good.

>>734166606
So you want the Matrix where human beings are farmed for their resources... wait that describes all economies.

>>734163416
Just because you made a meme does not make it true. Your memetics are shit tier. Lurk more commie pussy.

i'd rather have unequal distribution of wealth than equal distribution of poverty

>>734162046
Kill yourself you fucking Jew?

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>>734162046
Comrade!!!

>>734166864
Sure if you want to become part of the singularity or some shit, but practically speaking we have the technology to manage resources automatically, and track them securely. We can do this transparently and efficiently - and there's no reason incentive has to be removed either.

>>734162568
True Capitalism doesn't rely upon a corrupted banking system and government monopolies. Pre-constitutional American Colonies had the fastest growing GDP because of the lack of central banking and the ability to ignore English regulations on business.

>>734167217
Russians are becoming antisemitic and redpilled.

>>734162818
10/10 well said

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>>734162818
Livin' in a fantasy world!

They just keep coming.
Unless you're a Nazi.

Then WE come to kill you.

Because I'm smarter and work harder than average. I'd like to enjoy the fruits of my labor not let some lazy neet have a better life.

>>734165810
Fuck them, and fuck you.

If you're going to get butthurt because some people are going to be more wealthy in life than you, you're in for a long ride, homey.
There are crooked people in every country, and every walk of life. There is no more places to move to that you can live without a government/big brother. You're going to be a part of a societal structure every where you go. If you honestly believe that your participation would be more fairly distributed in a socialist/communist structure, then there's no hope for you.
Anyone that's ever been a part of a group project in school knows this. And only the members that fucked off but still passed because someone else did all the work would honestly want this later in life.

>>734167391
>becoming
more like have been since the 90s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Russia

>>734167441
you dont even know what a nazi is

>>734167441
Russians are becoming redpilled antisemites now that they see what you did to them you pathetic kike. Jews killed more Russians than Germans ever did.

>>734162046
Name one successful country under communist rule in history. JUST ONE.

>protip: you can't

>>734166316
You're a special kind of stupid, aren't ya boy?

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>>734167391
Communists are everywhere.

>>734167669
Only Jews and actual faggots are Communists.

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>>734167537
Oh yes I do!

>>734162046
Because it does not work. You still need a centralized power to distribute goods and services amongst a large population. When you put that much power in a groups hands then they start to starve political dissonance. It's the first step into a fascist state.

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Capitalism the land where one class does all the work in the other reaps all the rewards

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>>734167758
Everyone hates Jews.

>>734167621
China.

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>>734167554
This is the single stupidest, unrealistuc statement ITT

>>734166606
People have been "what if'ing" socialism and communism and costing millions of people their lives. Just fucking stop it. How many times are you going to touch the hot stove before you learn to turn the goddamn thing off before you stick your hand on it?

>>734167860
>China
>successful
Pick one

Also, thinking China is actually communist. Have you ever been to mainland China? I have. And I will have you know it's a complete and utter shithole.

>>734163147
As opposed to communism, where only military and government officials can become rich and successful

>>734167860
>implying China is communist
>implying China isn't an impoverished shit hole

>>734167750
Only jew-haters and pederasts are nazis

>>734162470
what you are thinking of is a tribe living off the land which has been outlawed with the rest of normal ancient human activity

>>734167899
Do you have any idea how many Russians died under Communism?

>>734166798
You do realize that the current tax code for the wealthy is closer to 40%, right?

>>734167940
You could say the same thing about capitalism though. All markets fail. Depressions have cost countless human lives, but could have been avoided with better technology managing our resources.

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>>734168013
You just fuck little girls I guess. Being a Jew hater is a good thing because Jews are horrible people.

>>734162046
SocDem btfo Communism

There's no real communism and there will never be any

>>734168142
Yes but there has never been a capitalism killing fields, and Democide is a word for a reason

>>734168248
Communism is just a Jewish ploy to control people.

>>734168175
That is literally capitalism.

>>734167993
You can't have your cake and eat it to. If you're going to nitpick what counts as communism, then I can easily argue that communism has never existed - and we both know how pointless going down that road is.

That said, China is a developing country with a GDP on track to overtake the US's in 2025. This despite having a much larger population and less infrastructure. In the grand scheme of things, they're hardly unsuccessful.

>>734162046
It won't work either. You need to democratically regulate capitalism, which is naturally socialist in nature. Democracy is literally a form of socialism. The tards who don't get this are dumb fucks.

>>734168086
Make it %60

>>734162046
because there's more to politics than just my own interests.

everybody loses with communism. at least with capitalism you have a chance, even if the game's rigged.

>>734168175
That's nothing like what actual communism looks like and the real problem with communism isn't redistribution of wealth, it's absolute government control

>>734162046
I am. Keep spreading that sweet class consciousness, comrade.

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>>734168420
The only reason you're freely browsing the internet, including 4chan, is because you live in a capitalist country.

>Faggots still thinking communism is successful in 2017...

I don't want to wait 10 years for my automobile.

>>734168306
Hitler killing Jews was democide, and that was under capitalism. Instead of arguing this small point though, let's look at the big picture - because it's not about the atrocities of the past. Those are universal to all system of government and economy. Instead it's about efficiency. Capitalism, in freeing people to fend for themselves, was by far the most efficient system we were capable of - until the advent of computers.

>>734162046
socialism is literally jelly: the political alignment.

>if I must be miserable then everybody should

>>734162046
because I'm not a retard or a disappointment to society

>>734162046
Read Gulag Archipelago or 200 Years Together by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and tell me you still want to be a communist.

Also. It's very fitting that you put a picture of a Jew up in your OP.

>>734168632
I'm not hating on capitalism, I'm just keeping an open mind when discussing philosophy. I think that's kind of the point you know? See >>734168827

>>734168827
>"Hitler killing Jews was "democide"
>implying it happened
>implying National Socialism is Communism

>>734168142
Comparing the depression to the costs of communist and socialist countries is like comparing a hiccup to a heart attack.

Directly following the depression is an era of greatest economic growth in history.

Following the fall of communism in the USSR was 20 years of feral humans...

It's simple... Capitalism = your work for your own gain, knowing someone else will gain as well. Whether it's a boss, or a client, your work will have to benefit someone else to be profitable.

Communism/Socialism = your work for the gain of the government. You don't keep the results of your labor.

That's it in a nutshell

>>734162598
Even the theory is shitty.

>>734168590
>implying that post war social capitalism wasnt the best time in american history

>>734169032
It certainly did happen, Hitler himself spoke of it and his reasons for it. What's in question by many are the specific numbers, locations, etc - which many believe to be falsified.

>>734169035
Thank you. Christ, someone with some common sense. People today don't seem to viscerally understand the horror that comes with communism.

>>734169122
Before the niggers got rights. Before the German Jews became integrated.

>>734169214
No it did not you dirty fucking Jew.

>>734168637
Is that bitch gonna get naked, or fucking what?!?

>>734169122
Whites only American socialism is basically national socialism.

>>734169035
>Communism/Socialism = your work for the gain of the government. You don't keep the results of your labor.
Except when it's not, see >>734168827

>>734169622
I disregard that post because the Holocaust never happened.

It won't work.

>Stateless, moneyless, classless society
>stateless.jpg
>mfw totalitarian control is required to maintain every aspect of communism
>how many layers of contradiction are you on right now my dude.
>tfw the totalitarian leaders live better life standards than civillians
> You know you fucked up when commies killed more people than hitler.
>maozhedong.jpg
>pol pot.jpeg
>stalin.png
>when the people who contribute the most and are the most useful are regarded the same as the most useless.
>that moment when poor people create a piece of shit ideology because muh equal society.
>tfw marx wasn't a worker but lived off of engels.
>tfw communism attracts autists globally because it's an egalitarian and idealist belief.

I can smell the leftist shills for miles

>>734169877
I wasn't speaking of the Holocaust, and I made a point of saying that the atrocity wasn't what was important anyway. If you really need examples of atrocity committed under Communism, I'm afraid there's no reasoning with you.

>>734170326
Sorry, under Capitalism*

KDR Ratios

Mao Zhedong 40,000,000 : 1
Stalin - 20,000,000 : 1
Pol pot - 2,000,000 : 1

>>734170326
You said "Hitler killing Jews was democide, and that was under capitalism." which is wrong for 2 reasons. The Holocaust is fake. And National Socialism is not capitalism. I personally know that there were many atrocities committed under communism but if I were an uninformed person I wouldn't know that and you would need to give examples. Saying "I don't want to tell you" loses arguments and makes people not want to listen to you. You have to always give examples to make your point. Not to mention your entire post itself is gibberish.

>>734170326
Can you name one time in the history of capitalism that there were atrocities done to the citizens of a nation the government itself? Capitalism is about less government.

>>734170326
You're a lying idiot. Possibly a Jew. I don't know anyone so stupid they've ever claimed Hitler was a capitalist. You take the cake as one of the world's dumbest people.

>>734162046

>Capitalism exploits the worker

Communists use forced labor of slaves.

Now kill yourself you fucking slav inbreed degenerate.

>>734171208
>implying Slavs support Communism today after suffering under it
He's most likely a Jew.

>>734170745
I think that being able to assume and work with common ground is just as important for effective communication, but let's stay on topic.

My point was that communism of that past could never compete with capitalism because capitalism is more efficient and and less unacceptable to corruption. However, this is not necessarily true anymore, see >>734167245. I'm only speaking of philosophical theory here, so if that's not your cup of tea we can end this conversation.

>>734170924
Belgian Congo - 13,000,000
Vietnam War - 4,000,000
Indonesian Leftist and Chinese Purges - 1,000,000
Timorese Genocide - 300,000
Rwandan Genocide - 1,000,000
Cambodian Bombings - 500,000
Afghanistan (2001-present) - 150,000
Nigerian Civil War - 1,250,000
World War I - 40,000,000
World War II - 80,000,000
Afghanistan (the war included on anti-communist lists even though it was instigated by the CIA) - 1,500,000
Iran-Iraq War - 375,000
Desert Storm - 200,000
Iraqi Sanctions - 600,000
Iraq War - (2003) 650,000
Khmer Rouge (included on anti-communist lists even though it rose to power as a result of US bombing and also received direct support from the CIA) - 2,000,000
Israeli Occupation of Palestine - 200,000
Laos - Conservative estimate of 200,000
Pakistani Civil War - 3,000,000
Sudanese Civil War - 2,000,000
Holocaust - 6,000,000