Why aren't you a vegan yet? There is no justification t

>>733624283
If we were vegans we wouldn't have left the jungle yet... just look where our cousins (Chimps) are.

>>733624538
why aren't you one NOW?

Vegan Gains DESTROYED Roaming Millenial and Bearing. Facts don't care about your feelings.

i personally just don't give a shit.

i understand it's a healthier option, but as a depressed alcoholic who's planning on killing himself soon anyway, health is one of my last concerns.

i eat fast food nearly every day cos i like the taste

>>733624818
Who the fuck are those faggots

>>733624283
Veal is the best meat

Whats the point?

>>733625084
look them up on YouTube, lazy nigger.

Who would be a vegan when you have these gets

>>733624283
I enjoy eating animals, knowing thousands have died just so i can have a tasty meal brings me joy

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Been vegan for over a year actually. You aren't the only one on here.

>>733626843
so says wimpley

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>>733624283
Because meat tastes good, and without humans domesticated animals would die out. My taste for chicken ensures the perpetuation of chickens as a species.

Meat may be murder, but veganism is genocide.

>>733624283
Because of my health
Vitamin b12

Inb4 muh supplements...they have be proven to not work
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933506/

>>733624283
Kill urself retard!

>>733624283
Meat is meat and a man must eat.

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That's why

fuck off

meat is murder? well fuck it, murder tastes good

I lift weights. If I dont eat meat every so often, there is no way I can build enough protein to make gains.
Also, how do you explain canine teeth on humans? We literally are evolved to eat meat if we want to.
Veganism has some health benefits such as avoiding heart disease and certain cancers, but eating meat in moderation (once per week or bi-weekly) will give you more health benefits than if you were to not eat it at all. Not eating meat at all is going to lower the iron in your blood and will turn you into a fatigued skeleton. Literally every vegan I know is a skeleton and gets sick very easily due to their imbalance, malnourished diet. As long as your eating meat or fish in moderation from a humane source/farm which doesn't pack their livestock into tiny cages and pump them full of unnatural hormones and antibiotics, then you're diet is going to be much better than a vegan who simply refuses to eat meat at all.

>>733628198
>>733628244
>>733628596
not an argument

I'm an omnivore and I like the taste of blood.

>>733628865
No arguing. I'll eat butchered animals whether you're right or wrong. Fuck you.

is there justification to eating plants?

>>733628865
How can meat tasting good not be a reason for not being a non meat eating freak?

KYS

>>733629117
kek, this

>>733629170
if you can live your live without eating meat there is no moral justification to eat meat.

>>733629283
you can live without a lot of things you idiot, doesn't mean you're morally obligated to go without.

>>733624283
Because I am not a cow, who's teeth are designed for only eating vegetables. Humans have canine teeth, which are designed for tearing food apart such as meat.

>>733629283
>Morals
Morals don't mean shit when it comes to human dietary requirements, get an education instead of spouting shit on tumblr and 4chins.

>>733629393
the difference is you're contributing to the murder of sentient beings.

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Actually, there is the justification - The Earth has been given to us by God, so it's our property and we can do what we want with the whole planet.

>>733629565
watch OP's link and get BTFO.

>>733629283
The moral justification to eat meat is equivalent to the moral justification to eating plants.

Neither plants nor non-people animals have moral standing.

>>733629587
You can't murder a nonhuman you pantywaste.

>>733629587
>>733629610
While trolling is indulged, please attempt to not be so bad at it

>>733629587
Incorrect. Murder only occurs between people. A cow can neither murder nor be murdered.

>>733624283
there are animals that only exist because we breed them to eat them. Without us, they would go extinct because they couldn't survive in the wild.
Meat is murder, veganism is genocide

>>733629626
I did, it was full of shit projection. If you think you're a bad person then good for you. I'll be over here, not thinking about every little thing I do like a god damn psycho.

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>>733624283
Because a lot of my favorite Asian dishes contain egg and/or fish.

>>733629283
Of course theres a moral justification

a lot of weak-willed people ITT

>>733629748
Actually, I'm not trolling dude. That's what the most of people believe in, especially the least educated ones. I agree in the point of our property and the clue from it.

>>733630007
and that is?

>>733630050
Pissing off whining self righteous cunts like you who think they're on a moral crusade

>>733628702
Why do you care so much about "gains"? Wouldn't you be just as well off without them? Are your "gains" worth killing for, because that's what's happening?

>>733630023
Including you.

The only vegan argument that holds any weight is the environmental one. If that is your basis for not eating meat however, then any waste of resources is a sign of a weak will. It doesn't get much more wasteful than browsing /b/.

holy shit. even T admitted to getting rekt.

>>733630178
I would kill you for a snickers.
I will kill all cows for 20 inch arms.

>>733627601
Concerned citizens such as yourself would surely pitch in for the preservation of the species. We could have hectare upon hectare of chicken reservations for a fraction of the money now thrown at raising and slaughtering them.

>>733630178
Humans are incapable of photosynthesis (or its chemical equivalent). We must kill to live.

What trait do humans posses that animals don't that allows them to ethically eat meat?

>>733629720
Then why do you care when dogs or cats are tortured?

Or are you such an edgelord that you would claim you don't care at all?

>>733630304
Then you are a bad person.

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>>733630353
There's no utility in that. Chickens don't exist on their own like the red junglefowl does, they exist as a food source for mankind. It's a symbiotic relationship that would end if veganism took hold among a majority of the population.

>>733630484
>Or are you such an edgelord that you would claim you don't care at all?
Yep.

Dogs are literally raised as food in some places. The reason humans get emotionally attached to non-human animals is a misfiring of an evolutionary response.

>>733630484
That's a false dichotomy right there.

>>733630178
Even if I weren't lifting weights, I would still eat meat in moderation. Like I said, not eating meat will make you malnourished, skelly, tired, etc.

>>733630449
Why do you think we need some special trait for this?

Our ability to eat meat isn't based on any sort of "superiority".

Don't worry, I already am vegan bro.

Don't see any reason to cause unnessecary suffering for just taste, especially since good options are more and mroe readily avaliable.

>>733630566
And you're a beta bitch.
>It's mean to kill animals
Fuck you. Eating meat is not wrong. You aren't even attacking carnivorous behavior, you're pissed about animal farming.

>>733630849
Why is the suffering of non-people relevant?

>>733630604
So, you're concerned about preserving the species, but only as long as they're useful for something, or what? What kind of concern is that?

Honestly, this always seems like such a weird argument. "We're actually doing them a favor by eating them" sort of thing. Doesn't that strike you as a tiny bit perverse?

For my part, I wouldn't mind chicken species to go extinct if the extinction would mean an end to their suffering. And in any case, you could always preserve the species in zoos etcetera.

>>733624283
Here's the only justification needed: cooked animal flesh tastes good.

>>733624283
There is no scientific evidence of animals being "sentient".
For it to be morally questionable, animals need to be sentient.
The burden of proof is on you for proving the above.
Therefore, there is no moral obligation to refrain from eating meat.
QED

>>733630985
>perverse
adjective
1.showing a deliberate and obstinate desire to behave in a way that is unreasonable or unacceptable.
2.contrary to the accepted or expected standard or practice.
3.sexually perverted.

I do not think that word means what you think it means. Typical that a vegan would be lacking brain cells though.

>>733624283
because who fucking cares, this "growth" in veganism only makes a difference in your little echo chamber community. all your holier than though bullshit and fake posts. I saw loads of you lot congratulating each other on there being less cows slaughtered in 2015, which if you look it up is only because farmers make their cows fatter for more profit, 10% MORE beef was produced that year. And they say 2015 was a "great year for veganism" lol fatter and more mistreated cows.

>>733630678
If animals "have no moral standing", as you claim, that would absolutely be a justified conclusion.

If there are any other factors that make it sensible for you to abhor animal torture on one hand and be perfectly fine with factory farms on the other, please do state them.

>>733631143
It isn't morally questionable even if they are sentient.

>>733630943
Why is it not?

>>733624283

Im already semi-vegan.

I'm not vegan because there's no point in prolonging an ironically fruitless life. If all food tasted the same, there'd be no problem with only eating what was necessary. Not to mention that your diet is limited as fuck just because you're a special snowflake vegan. By being a vegan, you're basically making yourself a burden to your friends and family who feel the need to cater to your self-inflicted needs, since they aren't as masochistic and enjoy eating food that is commonly found.

Have you noticed that you don't see any omnivores running around asking why you don't eat meat? Because they don't give a shit. Keep your shitty diet to yourself.


Also this is b8. Fuck you.

>>733624283
i am an atheist and i do cross fit
i run out of words talking about those

>>733624283
Because I'm not a scrawny faggot

>>733624283
cowspiracy was filled with fake stats and bullshit. Even the people it converted eventually found out and gave it. It's a fad for snowflake martyrs.

Obvious troll is obvious.

>>733631229
Because morality exists to enable social functioning.

>>733631262
/thread

>>733624283
I like meat

>>733624283

because the carbon taxes

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>>733624283
I eat vegan Monday to Friday.

Then i eat organic meat in the weekends.

Does that make me anything?

>>733631151
>showing a deliberate and obstinate desire to behave in a way that is unreasonable or unacceptable

This is exactly the sense in which I was using the term, so what's the problem?

>>733624283
Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8 no h8

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>veganism is a mental illness for/by snowflakes
>all vegan food is a poor imitation of normal food
>vegans are a pseudo-cult, like atheism+

>>733624283
>There is no justification to not be one.
death

>>733631151
Consumption of meat is a requirement for evolution of higher level brain function.

>>733624818
Based

Apart from the B-12 issue, the real arguments against veganism are also biological:
Dentition; mix of incisors, canines and molars has evolved from and for an omnivorous diet, including thickness of enamel on molars not supporting a purely herbivorous lifestyle.
Appendix; atrophied secondary stomach means our bodies can no longer digest cellulose.
Eyes; eye placement is that of a predator not that of a prey species.
And those are just the ones that I can list from basic medical and biological knowledge, specialists could probably provide more detailed examples and more of them...

>>733631482
Because that doesn't apply to human dietary requirements. I have to spell it out for you now? Fucking stupid vegans.

>>733631560
I know right?

>>733624283
there is this justification: I don't want to

>>733631262
this is fact. "it only affects me anyway" is fucking bullshit,you are a burden and your friends hate you for it.

>>733631453
half assed faggot. why bother

>>733624283
no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares no one cares

also sage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KOPKAyIJsw

>>733631609

Why should evolutionary adaptations affect what you eat NOW?

We may have developed as omnivores, but that has little effect on what the individual you can eat right now, from day to day.

It's also a fact that people can survive and thrive on vegetarian or vegan diets (with a B12 supplement, of course), so why should it matter what your teeth are like? Nobody is (or should be) claiming that we're "meant" to eat vegan; just that it's the most ethical and environmentally conscious thing that we can do right now.

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>>733630985
>but only as long as they're useful for something
Yes?

Do you think that I'm so delusional as to extend the in-group morality to fucking animals?

>>733632131
>just that it's the most ethical
Which is false.
>environmentally conscious
You know what else is environmentally conscious? Not wasting electricity by browsing 4chan.

>>733624283
i like to live

>>733631560
But your brain is already developed.

Do you think it will "evolve" further if you consume meat?

If that's what you think, I don't think you understand evolution very well.

Or do we perhaps have a duty to honor our evolutionary progress?

>>733632327
Evolution works in the opposite direction too you know

>>733624283
I eat meat, especially red meet, because it tastes good, and because I am super anemic.

Doesn't mean I don't feel bad for the cow.

>>733624818
Lol, The only thing around Vegan Gains that got destroyed was his sanity.
Fucking psycho.

>>733631648
Why shouldn't a "deliberate and obstinate desire to behave in a way that is unreasonable or unacceptable" apply to human dietary requirements?

What's so special about this that the word "perverse" should not be used in relation to it?

>>733632635
counter his points then. go ahead i'll wait.

>>733632740
Why don't you post some points to be countered? Simply name dropping is meaningless.

You like eating plants, I like eating meat. People have different preferences, you know.

>>733632480
No, I don't see what you're getting at.

That vegans somehow "devolve" because of their veganism? - That would again be a misunderstanding of the concept of evolution.

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muslims are blowing kids up and you expect anyone to give a shit about animals?

>>733632740
> Not eating meat is healthy
> Goes to doctor to get yearly B12 checkup because deficiency occurs in 40% to 80% of the vegetarian population

So healthy brah

>>733624538
Chimps aren't vegans, they eat bugs like ticks and shit.

>>733632264
How is killing fewer animals not ethically superior to killing more animals?

Are you such an edgelord as to consider not torturing animals to be morally perfectly equivalent to torturing animals?

>>733632647
Because eating meat isn't perverse in that context. It's perverse to be vegan. Can you not read?

>>733624818
can i get a tl'dr version of it about who's on which side?

>>733624538
Because a LOVE MEET!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

I only eat meat from a local farmer. His cattle have 200 acres of grass to graze. His chickens have never seen a cage, let alone been in one. The pork selection is pretty limited because he only keeps about 5 pigs at any given time.
What's wrong with this?
You aren't angry about people eating meat, you're angry about the way animals are mass produced, mass slaughtered, and treated as inanimate.

>>733633134
They also hunt other monkeys and eat their flesh.

>>733633183
look up their yt channels. the videos are recent.

>>733633134
that's why they're one of the most intelligent animals out there

>>733632901
you like living. i like killing you. People have different preferneces, you know.

Pretty weak argument, you know.

>>733633223
you're killing animals for selfish reasons, retard.

>>733633155
>Are you such an edgelord as to consider not torturing animals to be morally perfectly equivalent to torturing animals?
Name calling is a sign of a weak argument.

Yes. The suffering of non-people is totally irrelevant.

>>733633183
Vegan gains
> Meat is murder
> Swings gun around saying he's going to murder bearing

Bearing
> Meat is tasty bruv

The end

>>733624283
Cause I like beef you fucking faggot.
Ethics and morals are a fallacy.
If I want to eat it, I will.
If I want to kill it, I will.
Humans are the only species that gets caught up in this bullshit moral dilemma.

>>733633304
So fucking what?
Animals eat other animals, retard.

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>>733624283
Because I'm neither a retard nor a faggot.

>>733633425
they also routinely kill each other in many cases. so i guess we shouldn't have any laws against murder?

>>733624283
When I think "vegan" I think "pony-loving autist."

>>733633321
This is certainly a position few people would take, so I believe the word "edgelord" is quite appropriate.

But yeah, as long as that's the ethical position you're taking, there are absolutely no arguments for veganism to be made, and I bid you good day.

>>733633448
faggots eat meat all the time, stupid.

well, the good looking ones do anyway.

>>733629117
>whether you're right or wrong

That's pretty sad.

>>733629610
god is a faggot

>>733633532
Straw man argument.
I assume you're graduating next month?
Get yourself a college education, kid.
All the best.

>>733629610


God is made up.

>>733633400
yeah we should be like animals. anarchy rules.

cause civility and morality clearly have done nothing to advance our species so far.

>>733628043
>>733628043
livestock are fed B12 supplements,
their diet consists of grains rather than grass which is where B12 is naturally found

Filthy Frank will answer most of your questions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxs_mTRjLAU

>>733633704
pot/kettle

>>733629814
Why not?

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Vegan for seven years here. Dick is harder than a flagpole in the morning. Often wake up with a raging hard on so strong my pelvis is being lifted off the bed. It's uncomfortable as fuck. Anyway girls love it and it makes me think much clearer. I have a super sharp mind now. Used to have acne and be depressed, not anymore!

My tips:
>Eat mostly fruit and a lot of it. If you are hungry EAT MORE. The time on the clock does not matter. Just fucking eat more.
>No: salt, cooked oils, deep fried anything, chemical preservatives(lemon juice is the best I have found), alcohol, chemical drugs, or medications.
>Get enough direct sunlight on your body everyday. 30 minutes is all you need for your vitamin D daily requirement.
>Look for a vegan partner. Okcupid used to be great for this but they changed the ability to search based on diet. There are still vegans on there but you have to look harder now. Meetup.com usually has a vegan group nearby.
>Again NO ALCOHOL. I used to get drunk and be hungry as fuck.... ''Oh well don't mind if I do.'' As I eat an entire fucking pizza. Doused in veggies and spices but still. Not cool.
>Sex as a vegan. Use organic coconut oil. Look for the highest quality you can find! Nobody wants ass cancer from silicone lubes and chemicals up their asshole. Ladies track your menstruation and keep a fucking app on your phone to avoid unintended pregnancies. Those vegan boys are fertile as fuck. Guys, don't bone women on hormonal birth control. They are fucking crazy and they smell gross. They also are usually VERY VERY VERY unhealthy because they eat a fucking piss poor diet so, ya.... Avoid them. In my experience they have the lease self control and are the most impulsive/emotionally unstable.... Which leads to drinking and eating problems.
>Don't buy into the vegan ''culture''. Just eat right and be realistic. Killing animals sucks but if you are in Alaska and trying to be all cool with the animals and shit you will fucking die.
>cont..
>

>>733633270
No need to force those preferences on others, vegan or not.

>>733633783
I drink Sparks and Tilt.
Am I good on b12?

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Food-trending has become a religion by itself. ppl participating behave like shitdicks jerking other shitdicks and feeling gud on shittalking ppl who dont participate. its rly boils down to the aids of religion

>>733633631
>This is certainly a position few people would take
It's the only position that I've seen that is consistent and not relying on some arbitrary line in the sand.

If that makes me an edgelord, then k.

>>733633849
Because a cow is not a person, and murder only occurs between people.

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>>733624283

>>733633862
This is the biggest load of autism I've ever read.

You know what's scary about this thread (and every time this issue comes up)? I don't know what's trolling, what's people trying to convince themselves of something convenient, and which people genuinely believe so much of the stupider arguments.

there are some reasonable counter arguments to combat core vegan arguments, but i only ever see invalid arguments presented here, invalid but on the surface they sound good, and since they support a person's position they choose to believe and repeat them without really considering them.

Again, I just wish I could believe they were all trolls but I'm pretty sure a large % are not. It's sad.

>>733628043
even if they did work, addicting yourself to suplements is a retarded invention of cancerous civilisation
i can understands vegetarians since they have a right to live but vegans...

>>733624283
"because it's the right thing to do" ... sure, that's what all the other extremists are saying too

>>733634103
People on the spectrum are smarter than the average 4chan poster.
>Source: I have aspergers and ya'll are something else.

>>733633871
those preferences are mutually exclusive. one HAS to be forced on the other to be satisfied.

>>733634263
If you believe that then you've been listening to the media too much.

>>733633916
um... it's as arbitrary as any.

i mean, i'm pretty sure you know that since you are either a pure troll or an edgelord but... yeah.

>>733633969
let's play the definitions game! because grammatical or syntactical technicalities is all that matters!

>>733634231
first time i've heard an extremist reportedly use that justification.

>>733633969
that's retarded, what does the word 'murder' have to do with it?

>>733634474
>it's as arbitrary as any
Nope, it's based on the reasoning that morality exists to enable society.

Subjective? Sure. Any moral system is subjective.
Arbitrary? No. I'm not picking random qualities and saying "this far and no farther".

>>733634418
If I believe I have aspergers?
I certainly fit the description given in the DSM.
Whether it is real, or not.

>>733634544
>Muh alternative facts!

>>733634544
I mean, yeah.

Would you say that you committed genocide when you disinfected your kitchen counter?

>>733634710
Everything? We kill things all the time without giving it a second thought.

>>733633774
Civility and morals? Not in and of themselves no.
Lately, civility and morals have
A) prolonged a lot of conflicts in the middle east that could have been solved with rampant extermination of enemies.
B) prevented research and development of new medecines and potential cures for terminal diseases.
C) brought us into the Geneva convention, and the adoption of stringent protocols that prevent militaries from acting efficiently, and ending conflict promptly.
D) an overpopulated, generally impoverished, and dying planet, because people turn into autistsic pieces of shit when you mention population control.
There has been too much that led up to this point in time, to chalk everything up to civility and morals. But the world is a shit place, full of shit people. Maybe the whole morals thing would make more sense if people in general actually subconsciously worked that way. But fact is we are animals, and we've set out a lot of retarded limitations and pitfalls for the sake of some notion of elevated existence.

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>>733633862
cont...

>Don't be a fucking pussy. Respect yourself and get past the idea of helping everyone. Some are legitimately your enemies which brings me to my next point.
>Violence. Violence is a tool. If you need to protect yourself(you do) carry a fucking pistol. If you value and respect yourself enough to eat a strict diet and protect yourself from chemicals.... Why are you not protecting your body from criminals? Keep a pistol on you. We need strong leaders and healthy minds out there. Don't buy into the vegans are pussies propaganda. If you are thinking independently you need to act independently and firearm ensures you have a fighting chance.
>Again avoid synthetic drugs, no alcohol, and you should be fine.

If you carry you better visit /k/ and get onto youtube so you can learn some drills first. Don't expect anyone to help you if you don't help yourself.

God bless.

>>733634778
Fuck me you're retarded.

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>>733629163
No, they just like to pretend they aren't alive because the pansies can't deal with the fact that you can't live without killing something

>>733634999
Nice trips.
I'm not retarded. I'm autistic. Ya'll need to learn the difference.
We're not all plugging our ears, screaming, and jumping up and down

>>733634729
You would look straight at someone facing you and deny that you are there, wouldn't you?

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>>733635202

>>733635297
stfu I've got this guy seething

>>733635225
Err... what? No.

>>733634924
You have some partial legit points sprinkled within there but overall... so naive.

>>733635345
Ah, so then you are completely unaware of what you are actually saying. OK, that explains it too.

>>733634666
kek

>>733635202
>>733635342
summer is early

>>733634666
Nice trips of truth, Satan

>>733635464
No, I'm fully aware of what I'm saying. It's not my fault that vegan morality is arbitrary.

vegans are the best. cows tastes so damn good.

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cannibalism would solve lots of problems

>>733635506
HAHA I GET IT CUZ IM IN HIGHSCHOOL AND DONT HAVE TIME TO POST ON 4CHAN UNLESS ITS SUMMER
I posted on 4chan WAY more when I was in highschool.
Back in the aughts.
Had to walk FIFTEEN miles to school

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don't fall for vegans and their shit
because if you do and they win, even more extreme group will show up and try to convince you that their way is the only proper one
don't let fruitarians become the new vegans

>>733635619
*sigh* yeah either you're just trolling or you are beyond help. i give up trying to do anything useful here. you win.
enjoy your follow life of feeling artificially superior.

>>733635764
please don't be so bad at trolling

I'm just settling on being a vegetarian. Even in Los Angeles being a vegan is difficult and annoying. Most vegan food is either disgusting, bland or just a couple of side dishes thrown together on a plate. And it tends to be absurdly expensive. I can eat at 100x as many restaurants and buy 100x more food at the store being a vegatarian.

>>733635984
I wasn't trolling, I was referencing something that anyone born after 2000 wouldn't understand.
You didn't.
You are a child.
Fuck off

>>733636130
your trolling is just getting even worse

>>733636056
imho vegetarians are posers but hey! at least you don't stuff yourself with suplements

>>733635921
>no arguments against me
>must be either troll or beyond help
Maybe try actually thinking about this subject a bit more. Maybe you'll figure it out some day.

>>733624283
bait thread

saged

>>733636230
>posers
You sound like a faggot.

>>733636225
lmao
You're fun, I like you.
Still
>FIFTEEN miles

Curious how vegans go around saying their diet is more natural while at the same time they ignore their own nature. We evolved to eat both meat and plants, being vegan is not natural.
The only vegan point I agree with is how polluting is meat production, but then again by being vegan you are only slowing down that pollution not halting it so stop acting like the godsend saviors you think you are

>>733626843
>A million parts udder puss and blood per liter allowable by American standards.....

Ya it's totes crazy to be vegan, huh? Fucking morons drinking that disgusting titty juice. Og gee goys I wonder why I am sick again....

>>733636377
that's the right word
because what's the purpose of being a vegetarian?

>>733628596
Eat it raw then pussy.

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veggie gore?
veggie gore

>>733636579
Never had steak tartare?

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>>733624283
Veganism is for Tumblrettes

>>733636499
>by being vegan you are only slowing down that pollution not halting
err... i don't get your point here. are you saying until vegans force the closure of the meat industry they haven't achieved anything? and that reducing pollution doesn't matter unless what... all human life is wiped out so we're not producing anymore?
Your comment really didn't make any sense here.

>>733636535
It's healthier and more responsible than being a meat eater but it also isn't a miserable existence like being a vegan. Are you retarded or just autistic?

>>733636225
Found the BearinthebigBlueHousefag

>>733636787
>healthier
except it's not. every study on vegetarianism proved that eating veggies AND small amounts of meat is the best diet
>responsible
in what way? animal slaughter? because if yes, then i should ask you the same question

>>733624283
The problem isn't that we eat meat, it's that we no longer catch it ourselves. We mass produce and this means we use lots of machines to do so, which hurts the environment.

That's literally the only legitimate fact vegans can state against eating meat, and it has nothing to do with meat, but how we go about chopping and distributing it.

>>733633049
Trillionaires and billionaires are blowing up kids*

Fixed that for you.

It's been proven that fished don't have a sensation of pain so if I catch some fishes myself, is it ok to eat them? I mean I'm not torturing them and I'm not contaminating so it's ok, right?

>>733624283
>Why aren't you a vegan yet?
Because I've had prime rib.

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just fucking look what they do to these poor cucumbers!

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>>733624283
dude...
DONT TELL ME WHAT TO FUCKING BE

>>733637031
The only benefit of eating meat is the protein, which isn't exclusive to meat. And I don't much care about the killing of livestock. The meat industry is just horrible for the planet.

Because vegans can't enjoy the taste of sweet sweet hot wings

>>733624283
Because meat is delicious and the reason we have big brains.

>>733637371
leaves out iron.
I wouldn't listen to this cunt.

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this is just sick...

>>733637371
>forgetting micronutrients

Blow it out your ass.

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>>733624283
Vegans are queers, who are afraid of animal spirits haunting them.

>>733624283
Meh, mostly in these threads, I'm not a vegan just to prove you wrong.
You might believe there is no legitimate justification for not being vegan, but newsflash not everyone thinks exactly like you.
I'd be willing to go so far as eating less meat and banning factory farms though. But that is because better quality, tastier, organic, free range meat costs more to make(so I can't buy that much of it, so a lower meat intake would come naturally) and even I am not callous enough to not care about the quality of life for animals before I eat them.

Vegan propaganda

>>733637371
there are more benefits of eating meat
>The industry is just horrible for the planet.
FTFY

>>733637603
propaganda isn't inherently bad.

>>733629444
Nice trips

I just really really really really really like killing things.

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i think i'm gonna puke...

>>733637053
Not true. In most cases automation, machinery, and farming increase efficiency, not decrease it. More to the point, to achieve what you are describing we'd have to go WAY back, like thousands of years, to a lifestyle with very limited population density. Going back to personal hunting only in today's world would most certainly be MORE polluting, for the simple reason that people would have to drive so far for every hunt... if there were enough wild animal population to go around in the first place.

You're falling prey to the generalised "technology is bad" flaw. Once you get into actual science & R&D you start to see a pattern that in most cases it is not the evil world polluter people make it out to be (GMOs, etc etc). The real polluter is us, and our consumerist lifestyle. The reliance on the Recycle in the 3 Rs, which is by far the lease efficient green approach.

>>733629610
This is the most disgusting shit I've read in hours.

>>733633130

''The author does not believe that a vitamin B12 deficiency is more widespread in vegans or vegetarians - this is probably just another marketing lie! In fact, many so-called studies 'showing vegans deficient' have to be carefully studied themselves - many of them do not prove vegans to be deficient at all! In fact, contrary to meat and dairy industry propaganda, meat-eaters are known to be more likely to have a vitamin B12 deficiency - this has been known since 1959!!(1) ''

>http://www.vibrancyuk.com/B12.html


Meat eaters are the primary victim of the medical industry's(1Trillion per year) propaganda campaign.

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>>733629610

>>733636733
>>733637074
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>>733637875
Stop it, you sick bastard!

>>733630178
Oh man, gains are so worth the murder, i'd even eat human meat if it affected my muscles more than other meats.

I'm not a vegan because I love eating meat, period. You want to be a grass eater ? Your call. Judge my lifestyle and go fuck yourself.

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>>733630178
Yeah they're worth it

>>733637992
i always assumed B12 supplements are mandatory (veggie, not vegan, over 20 years), but recently i had a checkup including bloodwork and was told i have WAY too much and should stop taking B12 supplements.

Of course one anecdote is worthless.

>>733637879
I'm not arguing that we can go back - we can't, I'm saying that it's at the point it is because we made the leap - we didn't continue to hunt. If we had, we wouldn't have such a high population or need for the food.

>>733637371
Don't worry. Most of the meat eaters will just be sick in a hospital bed popping pills and fucking wrecked from the cancer and degenerative dis-eases that come with the stupidity.

>>733637679
Unless it is coming from the medical industry and they are telling you to eat meat and drink milk.

Look up Dr.Sibi, Gerson therapy, raw food transformations on youtube, and the results are endless.

>>733638384
what if i told you that vegans get sick just as much but they're not that noticeable because there's a lot less of them, compared to meat eaters?

>>733638566
What's this? Dubs and wrong? Holy shit..

>>733636768
Well yeah I don't see what's so hard to get. If the meat industry is is still strong then what exactly have vegans achieved in their "crusade against meat"? And of course reducing pollution is great, as I said I agree with that but vegans act like they are saving the world just with their diets which well they aren't. I mean is not like many vegan products aren't made in factories with emittions and all that.

>>733638566
I never got the affection for raw food.
Discovering fire and cooking our food is what enabled us to grow our brains to the size they are now.

>>733637879
Na dude, you are brainwashed to believe pesticides and GMO's are harmless. You couldn't be more wrong.

Technology is proving to be the most commonly abused form of advancement yet you feel like we have some goal to reach?

Look up Nicoli Tesla, Stan Meyers, and more... You are not going to get the advanced technology unless you are a billionaire or trillionaire. They hide that to control you. You keep chasing that cheese burger and paying your taxes like a good goy though. Don't ask too many questions now. Be a good goy and bring poppa mc slavery his satanic paper back home safely. Fucking retard.

>>733638680
Most vegans have equally poor diets as meat eaters. They think they can just eat kale and quinoa and live forever.

>>733638194
Have fun being cucked by your wife who only cares about the stability you provide. She will hold that divorce over your head like a gillotine.

Curious how most of the good points against veganism in this thread are being ignored kek

>>733639221
If it's a good point, the vegan won't entertain it.
It's much easier to denigrate the bad points.

>>733638680
You're brainwashed. That is why you feel secure. Most people are brainwashed.

>>733639053
Fuckers believe their lifestyle allows them to pass judgement on everyone that doesn't follow the same diet as they do.

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>>733639327
so you decided to take the blue pill, okay

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>>733624283
>No reasons not to be vegan

I love meat

>>733639355
The same is true about meat eaters, retard. They think they're manlier and cooler than vegans and vegetarians.

I work as a butcher.

Wouldn't make much sense to go Vegan now would it?

>>733639542
That's because we are.

>>733639638
hurr

>>733639321
And indirectly admitting that they got nothing. Hmm I guess veganism isn't such a solid choice after all

>>733639628
I work as a software engineer. I don't eat keyboards.

>>733624283
I'm literally reading this post while taking a shit at the hotel I'm staying in for work and I was just wondering what to go get for dinner on the company's dime. You just decided that I'm having a steak. Congratulations faggot.

Anyone know where to get a dank steak in Spokane?

>>733639934
>dank steak
pls kys

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1. Sandwiches are good
2. See answer 1
3. uhh

>>733639731
It's as fine of a diet choice as a meat eating diet is if you are already healthy.
If you have a chronic disease, it might fuck you over though.
My mother could never become vegan, because her nutrition absorption is very low and she would never be able to get enough protein out of vegetables.

>>733640104
I've considered it a lot tbh but I really need to eat this steak first to negate OP's veganism.

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>>733639221
Stockholm syndrome is a common occurrence after the brainwashing process.

Meat eaters will become akin to cattle and they in fact have already stepped right up to the slaughter(hospital) and willingly disregarded all their critical thinking.... For acceptance. A false sense of security. For friends. For political correctness. Out of cowardice. Who can't stand against the crowd??? The meat eater. He would be so out of place being so wrapped in that propaganda. Again and again. Lied to. Deceived and taxed into oblivion by satanic pedophile cults and trillionaires.

I bet you thought Trump was cool huh? But he lied. Just like your doctors and teachers. That's the thing about independence. It's something you have to do yourself. No government is going to give you what you need to be independent just like no doctor sends you away to speak to a nutritionist.


The government wants you to be sick so they can make tax money off of your dumb ass before you die.

You still believe those silly presidents gave a fuck about you...

>>733639934
churchill's steakhouse m8

>>733629393
This, I'd like to see this vegan fag go without a cellphone or internet because he can live without it

>>733640282
>I clearly have the moral high ground, look I just took it.
>I also project my own cult like behavior onto others to avoid pointing that criticism towards myself.

>>733640282
You sure you quoted the right post? Because what you said doesn't make much sense in regard of what I said... or in regard of anything really

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doyle von frankenstein is vegan so a argument that you need meat to be buff is debunked.

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If you think being a vegan will "save the animals",then you're brainwashed.
Farm animals exist to be eaten,they've been bred that way for thousands of years.
If we stopped eating them,they would die out.
They cannot adapt to the wild and as farmers would see no use in keeping them,their numbers would plummet.
By being a vegan you're effectively killing off these animals in larger numbers than those factories or farms ever did.
By not eating meat,you're just wasting precious food.
Also,not every person can afford your "coconut oils,tofu,healthy high quality fish,etc." I live in Serbia and food isn't something you take for granted here.
Also,i live ON A FARM and i see how these animals live.
If we stopped caring for them and eating them,they would die out,obviously. Unless you're going to keep thousands of chickens as pets,don't stop eating meat,you're only HURTING the animals.
Legal hunting of endangered species is also good for them,as millionaires pay...well,millions to these wildlife reserves so they can kill lions for example,by killing one the reserve can afford protection for many others.
You should stop leather companies from killing alligators and crocodiles in such large numbers,and you're not gonna do that by not eating meat. Also,ILLEGAL poaching is bad,and being a vegan won't change it.

>>733640282
>Muh conspiracies
>implying veganism isn't becoming a cult in itself
>implying todays world doesn't bombard you with vegan propaganda

You just went full retard

>>733640923
I like your post, anon

>>733640923
You live on a farm lol.You are just a red neck retard.Bet you wear a cow boy hat as well faggot.

>>733640325
Damn I'd hear it from accounting if I spent that much but that place looks great.

>>733641477
That's your argument?
I live on a farm therefore i'm a faggot red-neck.
Good job.

>>733641477
Yeah anon, listening to a guy who grew up around animals and who know how farming works would never be worth listening to in a vegan discussion thread.

>>733641477
Nice argument

>>733634710
because that's the word >>733629587 used

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>let me tell you why being a vegan is good for animals and planet
>while polluting the very same planet by throwing away all kinds of ungreen trash like heavy metals or chemicals, driving a car on oil/gasoline, buying all kinds of things made of plastic and other stuff made in smoky factories and many, MANY more "nature-friendly" things
the very fact that you're posting here means that you're using a computer or some computer-like device that has half of the periodic table inside
true, nature-friendly people live far away from civilisation and don't shitpost on 4chan. every single vegan here is a hypocrite

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Thank you op for this thread. Were not for it I wouldn't have learned that vegans can hardly make half a point.
Now let this shit thread die.

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>>733640667
>>733640700
>>733641010


Can't realize the fact that they are furthering the control plans of billionaires and trillionaires who refer to then as ''goy'' which means less than an animal and are proud to be counterproductive instead of coveting and fighting to their death for independence. Pitiful.

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>>733642078
Intelligence 101 : If you can't explain something or if you want to sound smart,blame it on the nazi's,the jews or on aliens!

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>>733641974

>>733642078
Because anyone who isn't exactly like you is a goy right?
Critical thinking is only possible if they think exactly like you.
What makes you different from our supposed "masters", aside from your open disdain of anyone not like you?

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>>733641811
Nailed.

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>>733642245
Sure thing goy. Keep worshiping kek instead of strengthening the community.

>>733642078
You are falling into the same loop by pretty much buying any product from a big company. How does you veganism saves you there? Fucking hypocrite

Only part of the beef I won't eat is the dicknballs

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>>733642466
(You) selected option C: Blame it on the jews!
Make sure to post a jew related image to make sure you made your point!

God put animals on this earth so we could eat them. Should you question the eating of animals, then I should question the eating of plants, both obviously have lives yet both are edible to us, vegans are just as cruel as people who also eat meat. Therefore there is no true purpose as to become a vegan. Unless it is for some stupid religious reason that probably can't be explained very well.

>>733642582
Grow your own...

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>>733642610
Can't say the same about meat can you?

>>733642894
Growing enough to be self sustaining means having enough land to grow on and enough farming knowledge to grow diverse crops for all seasons so you can get all the nutrients you need.
If you can do this, you have it better off than most people in the world.

>>733643026
I don't blame anything on meat,no.
Meat is delicious!

>>733642894
Sure and I'll also hunt my own meat. Much easier said than done, right? Plus, what I said also applies to anything you buy not only food

>>733624283
1st rule of being vegan, tell everyone
2nd rule of being vegan, tell everyone

>>733642324
Not really. Now if a person was vegan for all the reasons he listed and then didn't recycle and drove an incredibly inefficient vehicle, then that would be another story. You can't fault a vegan for simply owning and using a computer and vehicle. Are you people that fucking stupid?

>>733639808
That is the biggest strawman I have ever seen. You are literally saying that everyone eats the tools they use in work or the product. Fuck off anf hang yourself, shitbreath.

>>733643026
The poison is in the dosage anon, all of those plants will kill you if you eat enough of them.
Eating meat in small amounts is just as healthy eating anything in the right amounts.

Most of you meat eaters are poor fags, who can't afford to eat a vegan life style. Sucks to be you ass faggots

>>733643026
This only says something good about plants, something which nobody denied. How is this a counter argument to eating meat?

>>733641477
You are a serious piece of shit

>>733643335
>Some people aren't born with the same privileges as me!
>what ASS FAGGOTS!

Animals also provide companionship, companionship which plants, no matter what anybody says, cannot provide. Sometimes Companionship can be the only cure one needs. So yes I can say the same about animals.

All those hormones in meat are makes you fat fucks grow tits.Bet you fucks can't even shit right

>>733643335
>I'm higher middle class and feel superior because of it, in spite of it being the work of my parents who got me here.
> I bet people will stop being poor and become vegan if I shame them for being poor.

>>733643335
That's only a bad point against veganism you idiot. Not everyone can afford you hipster little diet so they have to consume animal products.

>>733643335
>Sucks to be you ass faggots

Summerfag detected

>>733643280
>You can't fault a vegan for simply owning and using a computer and vehicle
yes you can
you can live happily without a computer and use a wooden bicycle or just simply walk
your excuse is just as terrible as your copypasta arguments
eat shit

>>733643631
>Lemme join the fray and proclaim victory!
>But anon, you've made no arguments.
>VICTORY I TELL YOU!!!!1!

>>733643335
Fuck off summerfag

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>>733640923
>>733640923
>>733640923
>>733640923
>>733640923
I'll keep eating both meat and vegetables as much as i want. Suck me.

>>733643524
You can also fuck animals as well. You can't fuck plants. And while you can fuck people and they provide companionship (sometimes very shitty companionship) you can't really eat people.

>>733643335
>i have more munny!
>so i should throw it away!

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>>733643676
>>733643565
>>733643511
Butt hurt poor fags eating McDonald's and raging because they can't get a good job fucking kek

>>733643760
Not copypasta. It's called critical thinking, which is something you apparently lack.

Even shitty companionship is still companionship, not even that can come from a plant

>>733644024
Better keep calling them poor fags!
Maybe they'll keep telling you how retarded you are giving you MORE >>yOUS