So who here still honestly claims to be an atheist and is

>>733522306
Why do you give a fuck about what others believe in? I've seen religious people and atheists who were complete cretins. So why does it matter? Everybody is a hypocrite one way or another. Everybody lies and has their own agenda. Being one or the other doesn't make you a better person. Your actions do. So why does it matter?

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>>733522306
Like, what do you want me to say.
Yes? Me? I volunteer as tribute?

>>733522596
>t. Triggered fat atheist

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>>733522306
I'm agnostic, if that counts; but I don't think it does.

>>733522790
How did your god help you?

>>733522899
No youre actually a rational human being

>>733522790
There was nothing about that anon's comment that was triggered. It's true, really. Religious or not, we're all human, with our own flaws.

>>733522996
>Implying

>>733522306
If anything I'm agnostic, I don't know if theres a god or not, and quite frankly nobody does until they're 100% dead so don't worry about it because eventually we'll all be. It's difficult in my mind to comprehend there being a god but idek. Anyone else think this?

>>733522306
Lol ikr I just turned 19 and have been saying I'm agnostic since junior year of highschoole because Who fucking knows and who fucking cares. This is why I'm agnostic. Known religions don't hold up against facts. But they teach morals and created a great system where ungrateful cunts like you can seem smart openly and without fear. Since atheism is a religion. Believing something about happens after you die is the most ignorant shit ever. Be open minded. Science doesn't and won't have all the answers just like *insert known religion here*. Just cause you the process of life doesn't mean you know the process of the universe. Pick your favorite theory and run with it. But don't act smug or force others to share your opinion. This is coming from real conservative and not some big government republican twat. You and most atheist love science when its handy except for when it challenges your world view. ie abortion.

It doesn't matter what you are as long as you keep some level of agnosticism to it

>>733523254
Sorry for weird stuff in the letters I copy and paste it cause I use that argument alot

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>>733523267
See I would agree with you if it wasn't so fucking clear to me that people started believing in a divine force that promised them paradise in the afterlife when their lives were shitty and largely comprised of suffering.
Like sure there's loads of theological arguments both for and against, but what religion came about during a period of prosperity and good quality of life?

>>733523174
Totally agree. Hell, even after we're dead we may not learn anything. If there is a god, I'm certain it's something outside of our traditional view on what a god is and likely outside of our comprehension.

At the end of the day, though? Who cares. As far as we know, this life is all we'll get. Live it up, live and let live, etc

>>733522306
>claims
Usually not. I don't feel the need to broadcast my beliefs to people.

>>733522306
my official opinion is that i don't care

>>733522306

Actually I'm agnostic, but whatever.

>>733522306
I would be a theist, but it's hard to believe in something that doesn't exist

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basically no one will EVER be able to prove or disprove the existence of god...

so... this >>733524014

>>733522306
Our species should blow up mars again.

LMAO I swear, that is probably why the planet Mars has no life on it.

>tmw you realize that our ancestors were probably responsible of wiping out all life on mars.

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>>733522306
Tell me, do you still talk to your invisible friend?

>>733524524
That's the long and short of it really. It doesn't matter


>>733524767
Huh?

>>733524524
>must provide proof of absence before belief of absence
>t. Doesn't understand Russell's Teapot

>>733522306
religious people pushing religion, is just as bad, and the exact same thing, as atheists pushing their atheism.

>>733525141
that's nonsense right there saying they're equivalent

When you die you just fade into a thoughtless sleep
>Thread
Until proof of afterlife exists thats what im sticking with

>>733525215
They're all life stances. they all preach an ultimate goal in life, and tell you what's important in life.

Atheism is just a new religion, without a diety.

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>>733522306
Me. Reading a copy of the "Atheist Manifesto" right now, actually. Cuts pretty deep into the three main/Abrahamic faiths (and yes, that includes Islam).

Religion is the opium of the masses.

>>733522306
42
Agnostic with diest leanings.

>>733524767
Why do you think God exists? The crazy fuck told us to wage war against the martians, and we fucking did it.

You keep on forgetting that us mortals are nothing, but toys to these corpulent fuckers.

The jews are the ones that supervise the desecration, and destruction of planets anon.

How could you have been so blind for so long?

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>>733524767
You're getting too close to the truth, Anon.

>>733525436
except atheism doesn't say any of that. It's not a belief system with rules and codes and prophecy, it's a single stance on whether you think there is a god or not. There shouldn't even be a word for it. There's no word for someone who doesn't believe in fairies or gnomes or leprechauns. There's no word for someone who doesn't collect stamps. But I'm also an afariest and an astampcollector

>>733524891
Why do you think God exists? The crazy fuck told us to wage war against the martians, and we fucking did it.

You keep on forgetting that us mortals are nothing, but toys to these corpulent fuckers.

The jews are the ones that supervise the desecration, and destruction of planets anon.

How could you have been so blind for so long?

>>733525744
Then lets use those dubs to our advantage to dig deeper!!!

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>>733525834
....huh?

>>733522306
>and is over the age of 16
what is the basis of this meme? Most kids that age just believe what their parents tell them which includes whatever retarded religion they are a part of

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>>733525951
I wouldn't.

GOD may be false, but the NSA is real.

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>>733522306
Joke's on you: I actually BECAME an atheist when I was 16. I'm 28 now.

>>733522306
how you can be a functioning adult, and believe in a fairytale magic man, and live your life by his rules at that is beyond my comprehension, be an independent person you faggot.

>>733525744
We have the power to destroy planets.

We have the technology and the resolve to do the impossible.

It could've been possible that after we most likely destroyed mars, that we were planning to conduct a terraforming operation on it, but didn't know how.

Its possible after that, that our ancient, and technologically civilization fell, until we all became subhumans ourselves, and had to start all over again anon.

BUT HEY, at least we don't have to wage an intergalactic war with an alien species again anon!

THANKS GOD

you're the best

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>>733526256

>>733526121
Then that is why you'll never rise above.

>tmw when you realize that anon is nothing but another lamb
>tfw you realize being a predator, means its going to be a lonely existence
>but its ok
>at least I'll have lamb tonight

>>733522306
raised an atheist, i see no reason to change that now

none of the religions seem particularly likely to be true, how would i even begin to chose which to convert to? Should i worship zeus? jesus? buddha? tao? shiva? isis? king henry viii? the pope?

>>733522306
What if you gave zero fucks about any kind belief system? Be it theism or atheism.

Where would that lead you /b/?

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>people who think theism and atheism are belief systems

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>>733526256
STOP. Seriously. You're going to get some black helicopters around your house if you keep this up.
>tfw you've frequently had dreams of life thriving on Mars millennia ago, and recently have been having recurring dreams of alien life existing *inside* Mars
>tfw you read Barbara Marciniak's work when you were younger and it's all starting to make more sense

>>733526425
I do, but only in the shadows.

>>733526587
>not attending the church of atheism every sunday and saying the not lords not prayer

shiggy diggy

>>733526511
Existentialism

>>733526638
no.

Why would I want to live my life as a slave?

I'm ok with being a monster.

>>733522306
Me.

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>>733526768
hyu-mons are the real 'monsters.'

>>733527066
Then tell that to the victims at Manchester.

>Those 19-22 victims
>and over 59-120 injured

Those people hurt by the predator were nothing more than people waiting to be slaughtered.

Yes humans are monsters, but only a select few.

The rest are cattle, whose only purpose is to be butchered, and devoured... by monsters.

im satanist its fun

>>733527435
explain

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>>733527284
Er...do you mean 'monsters' or actual monsters?

>>733527545
I meant of what the anon >>733527066
was referring to anon 2.0

>>733526706
it's still a line of thought though.

But I get why you said it.

Still something u can wrap your ego around though.
Was trying to make a point to where u could not do that anymore.

>>733527731
Believing in ego is Freudism, so that's not helping you escape ism's

>>733522596
it matters because there are real idiots out there that use their religion to justify their actions. what part of west vs islam have you missed in the last decade?

>>733522306
Are you just stupid?

Or is this Bait?

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>>733523806
And yet, every conclusion on how to live drawn by those during periods of prosperity and good qualities of life saw those periods promptly and brutally ended.
Ever.
Single.
Time.
And exceedingly often by people who had discovered a belief for a divine force. Now I happen to not believe there is any such thing as a divine force, but I do believe the lessons about life and humanity we learn when life is at its hardest lead us into prosperity and keep us there, and should therefore be retained. I don't believe in God, but I would much prefer a Christian society to the weak, divisive, soulless disaster the west has turned into.

>>733522306
lvl 40 here.
Not sure if I apply, because I'm not entirely sure there is no absolute being, but I'm 100% sure the bible is bullshit.

To a Taoist, there is only one thing in the universe, and all the things we believe to be separate objects are a part of that one thing. To say that this one thing, which we call Tao, is not God would be rather inaccurate. The Tao that was not God would not be the true Tao, for the Tao is all things.

Any human who professes to know what the universe is and claims to understand the character of God is greatly overestimating his own faculties. It seems to me that most people are in it primarily to avoid facing the reality that decomposition is inherent to all composite things. We want to believe there's a way we can weasel our way into existing forever.

>>733523806
>what religion came about during a period of prosperity and good quality of life?
Scientology

34. Agnostic

You'd think one of these all mighty powerful beings would just stop by once in a while and introduce themselves.

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>>733523254
>You and most atheist love science when its handy except for when it challenges your world view. ie abortion.

Not sure when abortion and science conflict. If anything, abortion conflicts with religious fucks.

>>733527545
He means energy drinks, obviously.

>>733528476
Also conflicts with nature.

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>>733528478
Ah...well yes, those can lead to renal failure.
>AND they're designed by humans

>>733528534
Nature is the greatest aborting force of all. 2/3rds of all pregnancies are spontaneously aborted

>>733528773
That's not an abortion dingleberry. Yes babies die in the womb and animals kill their young, but that's not abortion. Never heard of a bear who got raped by another bear wanting their rape bear baby out of them so they don't have to raise it

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>>733527731
its literally impossible to "give zero fucks about any kind belief system"

if you are thinking you are thinking in the form of a belief system, the only way to not have a belief system is to kill yourself or become a vegetable


as comrade zizek would say
>we are all eating from the trashcan of ideology

>>733528971
Spontaneous abortion is the biological term used. Abortions can be either artificial or spontaneous. They both have the same result, the termination of the pregnancy.

>>733527864
Hell, why use words at all.

It's a trap.

>>733528380
>a religion created by a mentally ill man who tried to cure himself by writing extensively (like the most prolific human to have ever lived extensively) and creating a cult


you know what, scientology does sound pretty based now that you mention it

>>733529195
Called a miscarriage...

>>733528971
>bears dont understand the concept of rape
>therefore nature does not condone abortion
literally what

hi

>>733523806
At what time in history a religion starts sounds kind of irrelevant to me. As long as people don't let it get in the way they can believe whatever they want.
I mean is not like many of the greatest minds in history didn't have some form of spiritual belief.
In my opinion the real problem begins with fanatics.

>>733529818
go fuck yourself

with m&m's

>>733530571
Tell that to all the terrorist attacks waged by Muslims all for the sake of their god Allah

I always feel like these religious hate threads are always Christian/Islamic based. Do Buddhists get a pass or something?

>>733522306
Me. I'm not militant, I just don't believe in a god. Since when does believing on faith indicate maturity anyway?

>>733522306
I'm agnostic. Is that okay?

>>733531441
Yes, those are the fanatics I was talking about. What's your point?

>>733531595
I've met one real Buddhist in my entire life. I'm sure they believe in some kind of woo, I just don't know what it is. Also, they're way less inclined to proselytize.

>>733531842
Agnostic atheist or agnostic theist?

>>733531595
Buddhists, in this case, go both ways. There is theistic and non theistic.

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Me. Started identifying as atheist around 10-11, 29 now.

What about it?

>>733531595
>do the asians who quietly meditate and eat vegetables / americans who take psychedelics and keep to themselves get a pass?

uh yeah, who gives a fuck about them, they arent doing anything, literally thats what their religion is about not doing stuff for half an hour at a time

>>733523007

almost all atheists are "atheist agnostic"

Meaning, they don't believe in a god but still acknowledge that it's impossible to know for sure

/thread

>>733532011
I'm not an expert but I thought that even the non theistic forms of buddhism where based on spiritual beliefs

Who gives a fuck? Both sides have extreme idiots.

>The Big Bang is just a theory with no heavy proofing

and

>an ultimate being created the universe and just suddenly fucked off recently after creating ebola for africans to suffer

those are your two choices on how the universe was made, let people believe what they want and we'll so who was right at the finish line, mmkay?

>>733532292
"Spiritual" is such a poorly defined term as to be meaningless.

>>733529072
Do you what what happens when you experience something called "Satori"?

>>733532251

this, there's a difference between believing and knowing

there are practically no "strong atheists" that claim to know that there is no god, almost all simply rationally conclude that there is likely no god

Now ask a Christian if they simply believe or know if God is real...

>>733532369
>>The Big Bang is just a theory with no heavy proofing

this is what brainlets actually believe

>>733532251
This is true, but I'd reply by saying that the modern vernacular definition atheism has changed. When 99.99 percent of people say athiest, this is what they mean.

>>733532251

oh shit, just googled this

I thought I was agnostic, but apparently I'm atheist agnostic

shizzle

>>733522306
dull edge being the new cutting edge. Why is the world fucked?

>>733532446
The internet has taught me that there are actually a lot of "strong atheists"
It's really not difficult to find them

>>733532292
It's not as spiritual as you may think.

It's actually very practical.

Vuddhas teachings were about the cessation of dukkha (pain), to which there are things you must learn and practice, and not so much "believe" in as in contrary to the teachings of monothestic religions.

>>733532494

actually I've found that many people who claim to be "agnostic" are ignorant that most atheists are also agnostic, and are scared to label themselves with the term

this is mostly because Christians try and paint "atheist" as a faith similar to their own to discredit the concept of rationality, which is easy for dumb people to fall for

>>733532411
life is eating from the garbage can of ideology
satori is realizing you are eating garbage while eating the garbage

>>733532700

the loudest people on the Internet are the dumbest, though. It's also easier to find Trump supporters and Confederate Flag wavers

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FLAT EARTH IS REAL U GUYS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnFBSMLgRO0

>>733532700
i think universally 'strong atheists' are ex 'strong christians'

its a relic of religious thinking imo, i was raised atheists and never went through the 'militant' stage

im not angry about being sold a lie because i was never sold lie

>>733532892
I dunno, there were lots of vocal retards support Hillary. And I would say most of Black Lives Matter is made up of vocal retards too. Lefties don't have a monopoly on intellect.

>>733522899

agnosticism is the only scientific stance on the matter. There's no proof either way. Same with unicorns, no proof of yes or no, same with any mythological creature, dragon, umber hulks, angels, demons. Their existence is not likely, but can't prove they don't exist, so agnosticism until we get more data.

>>733533005
That's an interesting thought really but it sounds like you are basing it solely on your own experience

>>733532470

>Wowee the galaxies are moving away from a certain center point! That must mean everything was condensed into a single spot at one point before an explosion told them to fuck the fuck off!

Listen fucko, unless we've ranged every single current galaxy there's no possible way to know for sure. It's a good theory for what it is, but you can't possibly tell me there's no holes in it. It's a fucking THEORY for a reason

>>733533005

this, all the way.

People who wake up to religion (and brainwashing by parents) are the ones that are the angriest about being deceived (especially by their loved ones/parents). They usually spend a few years getting over it and come down to become atheist agnostics like all the rest

>>733522306
I don't really give much thought to the idea of God, either believing in it or not. I just live my life man. I can't remember the last time I even thought about if a God exists or not.

Religion is flawed in modern society. It is the next step from mythology, another way for society to explain what they do not understand. It had a purpose, it has outlived that purpose. Aetheism is the rejection of a higher power. There most certainly is some force in the universe that has had a hand in everything that has ever happened and everything that ever will, but it is my belief (and I share this with many others) that everyone is their own 'God' and that everyone will see the world how they want to see it.

>>733533191
Please be a troll just pretending not to understand what a scientific theory is.

>>733533068
Be aware that 99% of self professed atheists would allow for a possibility of a god, however minor. Most of them feel atheism is the defaultimate position . Like a theological control group.

>>733533246
>There most certainly is some force in the universe that has had a hand in everything that has ever happened and everything that ever will
Gravity? Electromagnetism?

>>733533068

scientific, yes, but intelligent? No. Intelligent people can believe that there are no unicorns because there is no evidence. Doesn't mean they aren't open to changing their mind, but it does mean they know how to use their brains to draw conclusions.

>>733533191
Either you're a troll, or you need to go back to middle school science.

>>733533068
>agnosticism is the only scientific stance on the matter.

only if you're agnostic about ever possible unprovable claim, no matter how ridiculous. all else is hypocrisy

>>733531998
atheist

>>733533402
unified field theory isn't a thing yet fam

>>733533163
for sure
thats all i got to go off of

if you got counter evidence im all ears
>>733533191
so you will only be convinced the big bang happened if i count every single atom in the visible universe and prove they are all moving away from each other? seems reasonable.

Believe that there might be something else about this life is fine by me, organized religion is not

>>733532831
Heh, well it's a funny way to phrase it.

I would say Satori is the opposite of thinking, while still being conscious. Therefor no belief systems or ideologies.

Satori is a glimpse of Nirvana so to speak.

If we shut up our minds and mouth, things are more simple.

>>733533294
>>733533423
>>733533633
fact is the scientific community does not agree on the big bang theory

its a theory and contrary evidence (a mix of blue shift and red shift) has been observed

stop being faggots and argue with logic not shit posting

>>733533402
im not talking about a force we can understand. something happened for this universe to exist. maybe thats all god is

>>733533827
>something happened for this universe to exist
How do you know? If time only exists if the universe exists, then no, nothing "happened" for the universe to exist.

>>733533068

you might just be an "agnostic atheist" bro

If you think the existence of god is "not likely" but unknowable, then you are agnostic atheist.

>>733522306
Me, tho i love old greek and norge/germanic beliefs

>>733533791
I don't think that's true, please cite your sources.
And honestly, even if that were true, that doesn't change my point. You are clearly demonstrating that you don't know what the word "theory" means in a scientific context. I never argued for or against the big bang.

>>733533733
Also you can put words on Nirvana, so imma say fuck it. It's a trap. Words go round and round.

But getting the grasp of it gets you some of the way.

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Me. If you are truly stupid enough to think it is even possible for some spectral sentient being to exist you are either fucked up on drugs (most of you faggots) or a step behind in the evolution in human intelligence.

As for being religious, you are a member of a cult and it's fucking hilarious.

>>733533791
We've really only observed blue shifted galaxies within our own local group, which certainly doesn't discredit the fact that the universe is expanding.

Source: BS in astrophysics working on PhD

Here. Atheist since I was 10 ~ 12. I'm 26 now

>>733522306
26, I guess I am but more an "apatheist" (which seems like a tryhard label to me)

>>733533974
i understand this
>im not talking about something we can understand
even in a state where no time exists there had to be some trigger for it to begin

>>733533791
>it's just a theory
>doesn't understand scientific terminology
>comments on science

Neck yourself, twat.

>>733522899
>but I don't think it does
You don't have many strong opinions do you?

>>733534434
I feel no emptyness and need of god stuff, idk how can people fall for this shit, it makes no fucking sense and its a big waste of time

>>733526256
>We have the power to destroy planets.
Only earth

How could you believe in a religion if you're over 16? All of them are so obviously bullshit.

>>733534486
If you aren't talking about something we can understand, then talking about it is pointless.

>even in a state where no time exists there had to be some trigger for it to begin
No, because there would be no state prior to the one where time exists, because time would need to exist.

>>733522899
agnosticism is a type of atheism. Most atheists are agnostic.

>>733534569
A GAME THEORY

>>733522306
Gnostic here, god is a niggerfaggot.

>>733534569
>twat
typical british atheist sheep detected, how does it feel to be a walking stereotype shaped exclusively by your media and culture?

mfw people will always have different tastes and interests in things you don't personally agree with. The solution is to better educate and stop weak-minded or vulnerable people from being swayed by propaganda so easily.

>>733522306
Does not giving a shit count?

>>733533733
thats well and fine but you cant stay in an unthinking meditative state forever, eventually your bodies needs will take over and you have to think about how to get food, water, whatever

and you are right back in the garbage
>>733533974
tbh our understanding of time seems more like a relic of brain structure than a natural phenomenon to me [citation needed]
>>733533827
>something happened for this universe to exist.
i dont see the necessity of putting god in here though, and if god is just this natural process that is such an abstraction from common usage of the word god its nearly dishonest

>>733535603
Autism

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>>733535457
????

>>733536064
Time is a measurable quantity that is affected by natural phenomenon (see relativity).

>>733536240
>relativity
you mean that thing Tesla disproved and even Einstein lowkey admitted was probably wrong?

>>733536423
Please be a troll and not a Tesla conspiracy-fag.

>>733522306
Religion brainwashes, makes people believe in an afterlife so they don't mind throwing their life away in wars and other BS. It's a tool the state and ruling class use to keep us slaves controllable, you AI bot fuck.

>>733535181
nothing existed, and then something did. there is no scientific knowledge we currently have to explain a phenomenon like this. we do not understand it.
similarly we do not understand God. I'm simply suggesting that what if this idea of a 'God' is actually just our primitive explanation of this thing we do not understand.
>>733536064
God is a concept that humans have created. Its entirely reasonable to think that we have named it incorrectly. In that case it is not dishonest, just incorrect.

>>733536633
Just because something is used as a tool doesn't mean there isn't some truth to it.

>>733536240
what is measuring though, measuring is our way of imposing metaphor on the world to simplify and understand it. If we cant measure something it doesnt exist to us

our brains are processors

input -> output

the "->" is forming our understanding of time
it has a before and after, it keeps going on forever in 1 direction, it turns data into information/intelligence

I dont think we can ever break from this paradigm

perhaps time exists but its not as "->"-y as we perceive it to be

perhaps were getting way too metaphysical

>>733536952
>God is a concept that humans have created
so why are you trying to find a physical manifestation in the world, we dont need to find evidence that santa exists or say that things we cant know are santa

>>733536952
>nothing existed
Did it?

>>733522306
19 and going strong

>>733536952
>I'm simply suggesting that what if this idea of a 'God' is actually just our primitive explanation of this thing we do not understand.

And what if this thing we do not understand is actually an otter from another plane of existence?

Positing an unknown to explain an unknown gets us literally no where.

>>733537196
>things we cant know are santa
this is now my pop-goth-ska band

For all of you believers i highly recommend reading the first few pages of the bible.

>>733522306
The Gnostic god seems more real to me than any and also more terrifying

>>733537196
>>733537208
>>733537310
The point im trying to make is that I believe it is beyond our species to understand the true origin of existence. Religion is a way humans can talk and discuss and explain our ideas and Aestheism is a very closeminded way of looking at the world.

>>733538042
>The point im trying to make is that I believe it is beyond our species to understand the true origin of existence.
Why? If it is beyond our species to understand the true origin of existence, why believe there is a force behind it that you are calling God?
>Religion is a way humans can talk and discuss and explain our ideas
I prefer philosophy.
>Aestheism is a very closeminded way of looking at the world.
What is Aestheism?

>>733538042
we are just being rational

if you want argue that we should sometimes be irrational thats fine but you cant make a rational argument for that (by definition) so we will just continue to talk past each other, because rationality is the only thing that matters to us

tl;dr i think we live on different islands

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>>733522306
>atheist and is over the age of 16

58 year oldfag here.

the more knowledge you acquire during life makes it easier to tell fact from fantasy, so Atheism really is easier for an older person.

pic related

>>733535935
>religious
>calling other people "sheep"

The irony is painful.

>>733538301
>aetheism
sorry, been seeing the word aesthetic alot recently.

I also prefer philosophy, im not a religious man, however im open to the possibility, and I believe that if a 'God' did exist that it would be beyond our comprehension.

>>733539151
I'm also open to the possibility that there are things beyond our comprehension, even something that could be called a god, I just have no reason to believe that such things exist.

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Lol OP here, this was literally the easiest bait thread I've made all week.

You're all cucks ;)

>>733522306
Why be an athiest what happened to creating your own beliefs

Eg. God seems like is not their but i'm going to believe if god could help god would therefore i'm not a believer but yet somehow a believer (having faith)

Doesn't mean i lost hope and decided to live however because you can learn to love anything, i'd rather love same things everyone else loves to not feel lonley

PENIS

>>733539624
k

watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKapUWxTvWI

>>733539756
>Why be an athiest what happened to creating your own beliefs
It's a bad sign when you start believing that your own invented fantasy is reality.

>>733522596
Yes but we all have to believe in something because we can learn to love anything and that's dangerous.

We should find something we can all believe together

>>733539451
To compare my views to yours
I do not believe in any current proposition of a 'God'
However i am not atheist because i dont reject the possibility of there being something that we would call 'God'

>>733539927
We all believe that reality exists, except for solipsists.

>>733540192
>I do not believe in any current proposition of a 'God'
>However i am not atheist
By the definition of atheism that most self-declared atheists use, yes, you are.

I define an atheist as someone who does not believe in the existence of gods. That's all. It does not require that you believe that it's impossible for something to exist that we would call God.

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>>733522596
Theres one religion that you should worry about
The bank religion, nobody can shake their belief that there is no other option but to keep purchasing money with bonds rather than the gov to create it and regulate itself

"Hey I can just tell people this made up bullshit and I don't have to do real work" start of every religion ever, and more so the continuation of every religion ever.

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>>733522306

Oldfag here, and the older I got the worst it got. I was agnostic at best when I was young. Now I've been a full blown atheist for a couple of decades.

And shit got even worse. Now I don't give a fuck about a lot of stuff. Loyalty to any fucking employer: GONE!. Family loyalty: gone. A lot of relative are actually assholes. Political loyalties: Gone. I don't give a fuck liberals and republicans. Immigrants, gay rights, and tax cuts don't even register in my thoughts.

but it feels fucking awesome to be truly free. I am my own person. I'm the captain of my own ship. Outside influences and rhetoric from lessor beings means nothing to me.

>>733540857
>t. I don't understand how the monetary system works

>>733522306
agnostic at best
i have not witnessed the hand of god with mine own eyes, therefore i have no definite proof of his existence

>>733540287
Yeah we should believe in reality but what makes reality different from imagination, and it's not freedom it's something like substance

>>733540996
Imagination is generated by the brain. Reality is not.

>>733540981
We are renting money and calling it our own, money is printed for us not by us
Banks are printing it which makes it worse

>>733541125
Wrong.

Also, fractional reserve banking would exist regardless.

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>>733522899
If you're agnostic, that's just a statement about knowledge in general. Atheism or theism is what you can't help but believe.
Even if you don't admit it to yourself, you function throughout your life as if there is/are no god(s) or there is/are god(s).

>>733522306
Im more of an agnostic and im 24

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I'd say I'm functionally an Atheist, but if asked about what I know for sure, my position would more resemble Agnosticism.

>>733541100
reality is created by god. I don't know where to go with this, i think the main issue we should be talking about is money control instead of religion. The control of issuance of money is more dangerous than any religion. It actually is a religion when you think about it, maybe thats why we are all having a hard time cracking it, but it's simple, stop renting money and let the gov create it's own just like the forefathers intended it because the knew what the damage would be caused by central banks

>>733541237
Fraction reserve banking is not the problem, yes it would exist regardless you are right

Just think
Everything they can do business we can do the same but if we lose we don't have to hand overshit and all the interest goes back to the people anyway. The would be no tax!

I've been catholic all my life, and sure, here were, still are and will be people who claim to be catholics and are still assholes, but if you actually are a functioning human being, you can tell that religion and scinece can coexist. and i don't think that a religion that encoruages this can be all evil.To feed the hungry.
To give water to the thirsty.
To clothe the naked.
To shelter the homeless.
To visit the sick.
To visit the imprisoned, or ransom the captive.[
To bury the dead.
You just need to have some common sense to tell apart actuall, racional faith, and being a brainwashed idiot

>>733541479
>reality is created by god
And you believe this... why?
>stop renting money and let the gov create it's own
The government already does create its own.
>forefathers intended it because the knew what the damage would be caused by central banks
The first national bank was created by the founding fathers. The current U.S. central bank, the Federal Reserve, is controlled by the Board of Governors, a federally appointed group.

>>733541670
>there would be no tax
Yes, yes there would. If not explicit, then in the form of higher inflation. The government doesn't run on hopes and dreams.

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if god exists why don't I have a big dick
checkmate christians

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>>733531595
>Do Buddhists get a pass or something?

this people are pretty laid back. they're not bombing civilians using airplanes or bombs attached to their asses. So yeah, they get a pass.

>>733542092
yeah they believe peaceful sorta stuff

>>733542092
nobody gets a pass

>>733540287
stop reality raping me thats one of my triggers

>>733541960
Stupid you think you know how it works, your blinded by the religion

Look money is created but has to be returned, we can do that don't kid yourself

>>733541795
You missed
>to rape the little boys

>>733540485
Ok, maybe by definition I am an atheist. But there is a clear difference between someone who believes a god doesnt exist and someone like me that believes a God could exist and that we just have it wrong.

>>733541869
Reserve bank is a german bank it's not owned by your gov

You buy money with bonds

>>733541100
but our understanding of reality is extremely limited

most of what he perceive is just a tiny bit of the electromagnetic spectrum called 'visible light' because that very narrow band was helpful for finding food and avoiding predators

>>733542774
Bonds are money they are the same

>>733541960
im loving these smackdowns rofl

>>733522306
I have no god i also enjoy abducting people's dogs and taking them into my van and then sticking my dick into them and releasing them when i am done i am a dog catcher i have fucked 100s of dogs and cats for no good reason other then the thrill of it what about you Op what does having no fear of a god do for you?

>>733542980
So your saying with a gov bank all the interest returned wouldn't go towards helping people like tax does

>>733542518
I think I know how it works because I've bothered to research it rather than just believing crackpot youtube videos and conspiracy sites.

Both cash and coin are created by the U.S. Treasury. Cash (federal reserve notes) become a liability of the Federal Reserve, backed by the assets of the Federal Reserve (primarily U.S. Treasury securities). Outside of physical cash and coin, the Federal Reserve controls the money supply by buying and selling securities (again, primarily U.S. Treasury securities) on the secondary market. Interest income from these securities pay for operating costs and dividends to member banks (which is a fixed amount and required by law), beyond that the interest goes back to the Treasury.

The U.S. has actually profited from the Federal Reserve for the past several years.

>>733542774
The central bank of Germany is a german bank.

The central bank of the United States is not.

>>733543196
And lets say you find that cats are better and no judges you but noone also told you could be better

>>733543308
Created not issued

Your gov issues bonds
Investors buy bonds and then treasury creates the cash and coin from these numbers

Your gov sells bonds for more currency
Bonds and currency are the same
They are both iou

>>733543421
German, rothschild, third party

All the same thing

>>733543919
Renting money when your gov could be creating it and regulating itself

>>733544017
Alright. The U.S Federal Reserve is not owned by the germans, rothschilds, or any other third party.

>>733544211
Yes it is independant from the gov what don't you understand from that

>>733544169
It already is. The Federal Reserve is the body it created to do so.

>>733543562
Are you asking me if a cat is a better lay then a woman i have never had sex with another person before only animals i tried with a few woman and girls as i was growing up my dick just stayed limp

>>733544318
No, it is independent WITHIN the gov. Nobody owns the Federal Reserve system.

>>733544332
It's not it's independant thats why the freedom of information act doesn't apply to them

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>>733522306
I'll be 40 in Aug. I go back and forth between atheism and heathenism. It honestly doesn't matter if the gods exist or not though. The principles and ideas they represent are worth trying to live up to regardless. I guess if I were sucking Jesus' or Mohammad's dick like a good slave it would matter whether they existed or not, but if you have worthy, noble gods who don't wish to enslave you, then it doesn't matter.

>>733544513
The Freedom of Information Act DOES apply to them. The FOIA has exemptions.

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>>733529072
Zizek is great but have you heard the of that faggot Zarathustra? Niti is best mustache-man imo

Zizek is cool too, but I ain't a commy no more. So less cool

>>733544448
Okay so what's with the bonds then, why print them, why can't the gov just have fed reserve and loan to gov and banks and all the interest go back to money used on the nation

there is no god

>>733544617

Become an Apatheist. The only sane "religion".

>>733544783
So why isn't the gov allowed to look at the vault, your in a ponzi scheme, all nations are

>>733544864
>what's with the bonds then
If all you do is print money to fund operations, then inflation goes through the roof and the economy collapses.

The Federal Reserve is prohibited from buying bonds directly from the Treasury to try to prevent this kind of thing.

>>733545004
What vault? The Federal Reserve's balance sheet and income statements are a matter of public record and are audited. If you are talking about gold, the Federal Reserve doesn't own gold, and only a small percentage of U.S. Treasury owned gold is held by the Federal Reserve.

>>733545116
That's why they buy them from investors
Your gov sells bonds to investors for currency that has been issued by the fed reserve as a loan

>>733543263
im >>733542980
and not the guy u are arguing with

im just here with me popcorn

>>733545471
Close. The Fed increases the money supply by purchasing securities (bonds).

Government issues bonds --> Investors buy bonds ---> Fed buys bonds from investors, creating money in the process

The Federal Reserve also lends money to banks, but that is not the primary means by which the money supply is increased.

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>>733544860
my nigga

zizek, nietzsche and sam harris fuck my shit up

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>>733545876
Then what is, the only way money can be created is by loan so how does the government loan money to itself
Keep in mind what a government is

>>733546453
>what is
The way we've already said. The Federal Reserve buys Treasury bonds, which are a loan. The loan part of the process is when the gov't issues them in the first place, not when the Fed buys them.

Amusingly enough, yes, a lot of government debt is held by the government (and not just by the Federal Reserve).

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>>733541795
How do you feel about God Emperor Trump meeting bergoglio, in a few hours? You think Trump can pound some sense into him?

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>>733544421

>>733546761
Why loan money then trade it for other loaned money

>>733547369
Just renting money

Also lets not forget all money created needs to be returned i understand this

>>733522306
85% of scientists whom are members of the academy of science consider themselves non-believers.
remove your head from your anus

>>733547369
Investors loan money to the government in exchange for interest bearing bonds. You cannot spend bonds to buy other assets, you need actual money, so people will sell their bonds, giving up future interest for cash now. The Federal Reserve is one of the parties who will buy what they want to sell.

>>733547369
Thru the banks

>>733547450
>Also lets not forget all money created needs to be returned
Coins from the U.S. Mint don't.

I'm agnostic-apathetic= don't know and don't give a fuck.

>>733522306

Me.

>>733548028
97% of money is digital maybe thats why

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I consider myself atheist. But after looking around on what my name means (I have a very rare last name) and realizing that I might be the reincarnation of a fallen angel/demon, I'm not sure.

It isn't like I'm afraid of dying, or death in general. In fact, the whole thing fasinates me as a whole. I even started meditating with lady death candles. Before that I would have mad dreams about her visiting me and talking to me. I still have dreams about her to this day.

Can I not be religious and still have a strong sense of spirituality? If so, whatever that is that's what I am. If not then I'm stuck in the crossroads.

Whatever it is, this path I'm on to finding myself is drawing me away from being atheist. I've been one since I was about 8, and I'm 23 now.

>>733548426
>Can I not be religious and still have a strong sense of spirituality?
Depends on what "spirituality" means.

>>733547826
Yes but why are investors loaning to us rather than us loaning to ourselves

It's government, nobody will let anyone get anything for free without a vote

>>733548867
>Yes but why are investors loaning to us rather than us loaning to ourselves
Because that way madness lies. Incestuous lending like that would lead to rampant inflation. It also wouldn't serve the primary goals of the Federal Reserve, which are to maximize employment, stabilize prices, and moderate long-term interest rates. Buying from the secondary market allows them to influence these things.

>>733548867
see
>>733545116
he has answered everything anon, are you gonna keep looping back to the same arguments or accept the rothschild illumanti IMF Federal Reserve overlords

>>733548633
I believe in spirits and shit. Like animal totems.
>be four years ago
>go trip with a shaman
>see owls all around me
>always liked owls, always felt chill around them
> move to a state where there are owls everywhere
>don't hear them at all
>eventually get unhappy and bored, leave and go back home
>hear and see owls all the time even though owls aren't common here at all

Had to question whether or not I was going insane, so I got a few friends and they said they can hear the owls too. I pointed them out and they saw it too.

Atheism and agnosticism are two different things.

>>733549552
Sounds religious to me.

>>733549879
Yep, neither identical nor mutually exclusive.

>>733549220
>Incestuous lending
It's the government lending to businesses for them to grow and then the money gets returned
Not government loaning to government
Thats what tax is for

>>733549886
What religion would this even be? Shamanism?

>>733550110
What exactly are you proposing? You realize that the government already helps small businesses through the SBA, right? Creating an entire government infrastructure to do this instead of just going through the banks like now would be expensive.

>>733550435
Expensive in short run, but cheap in long run and in turn more control to people

>>733526121
>>733525744
i thought flat earth was falling at a constant rate upwards? how can it be vertical and still maintain the illusion of gravity?

>>733550435
Not small business all business including banks, by loaning to them, in turn as the business works and pays off loan it helps country

>>733550752
>cheap in long run
I'm not so sure about that, considering how inefficient government agencies tend to be.

Even funding the creation of the Federal Reserve required raising money from banks.

>more control to people
Credit Unions also exist and benefit from the SBA.

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>>733522306
SPREAD THE WORD FAGGOTS

>>>/pol/126796297
>>>/pol/126798944
>>>/pol/126801867
>>>/pol/126799286

>>733551347
Why do we need to lend to large businesses? Banks already perform that function pretty well.

>>733551402
fuck off back to /pol/

>>733543919
>>733543919
>>733544332
>>733544332

Rekd, also this was more interesting to read than the actual thread

>>733552113
>im atheist lol
>fuck catholics
>i believe in god
>i belive in "god"
>what is time
>banks are run by illumaniti jews
>the federal reserve system is safe and effective

what a rollercoaster

>>733522306
Life is more complex than whether there is or isn't a God and to argue about it is futile

A place for religious debate

https://discord dot gg/wRezpMc

>>733544860
>Zarathustra
Zoroastrians are closet homosexuals

>>733522306
Agnostic atheist.
>agnostic because there is no proof one way or another
>atheist because there is no reason to believe something exists when there is no evidence