Government Forces Farmers To Use GMO's https://www.yout

https://www.azurestandard.com/

Take action: email or call Sherman County Court today
and stop them from spraying our 2,000-acre Organic farm
with herbicides! More details in this video and below…

>>732879203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qW4SD33qVg

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>>732880170
HAHAHA. What a funny thing!!!

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>>732880000

An Organic Farm Under Threat
Azure Farms is a working, Certified Organic farm located in Moro, Central Oregon, in Sherman County. It has been Certified Organic for about 18 years. The farm produces almost all the organic wheat, field peas, barley, Einkorn, and beef for Azure Standard.

Sherman County is changing the interpretation of its statutory code from controlling noxious weeds to eradicating noxious weeds. These weeds include Morning Glory, Canada Thistle, and Whitetop, all of which have been on the farm for many years, but that only toxic chemicals will eradicate.

Organic farming methods – at least as far as we know today – can only control noxious weeds—it is very difficult to eradicate them.

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You nu anons do understand that this means we have to go full battletoad on this, its kinda the purpose here.
+10 internet points if 4chan makes the news

>>732880170
/this

>>732880840
THEY ARE KILLING THE BATTLETOADS WITH GLYSOPHATE, WE MUST STOP THIS

>>732879203
You realize that humans have been genetically modifying plants through selective breeding for at least 20,000 years? I'm guessing not...

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>>732879203
Fucking hippys

>>732881109
Im guessing you didnt watch the vid nor do you understand they modify the plants so they can with stand toxins better so they get to use more pesticides on them

>>732881208
So you are all republican though guy right.
How do you feel about these http://www.courts.oregon.gov/sherman/Pages/index.aspx fuckers coming on to your land dropping toxins on your property and they will take a lean on your property to cover the cost.?

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>>732881109

http://jech.bmj.com/content/early/2017/02/22/jech-2016-208463

>>732881258
Lol we modifie animals and plants for slot reasons hell if u have ever eaten a banana u have eaten a genetically engineered plant along with almost all crops along with most farm animals fuck look at corn the shit we grow is not the same plant from 150years ago and that's just from selective breeding hell if u farm is next to a non organics farm how the hell do I know ur crop is not pollinating from non organic farms from he next feild over

http://www.opb.org/news/blog/newsblog/food-for-thought-the-difference-between-gmo-and-ge-foods/

Can we stop calling things by the wrong name like retards yet?

>>732882564
The WHO's International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) working group's 2015 decision to classify glyphosate as a grade 2A probable human carcinogen followed an extensive review and evaluation of the weight of all available evidence.45 The outcome was driven by: (1) limited human evidence from case–control epidemiology studies, including high-quality studies reporting a link with non-Hodgkin lymphoma;11 ,12 (2) sufficient evidence from unpublished animal studies analysed by the US EPA, which identified an elevated frequency of rare kidney tumours in male mice, hemangiosarcoma in male mice, pancreatic islet-cell adenoma in male rats, and skin tumours and other non-malignant growths in mice and (3) strong mechanistic evidence, such as numerous studies demonstrating that glyphosate is genotoxic and can induce oxidative stress in humans, human cells, non-human mammals and non-mammalian species (data reviewed in depth in ref. 46). Other data from unpublished studies that have been reviewed in the peer-reviewed literature could not be evaluated by IARC because the data were not publicly available; some of these studies also suggest increases in lymphoma in male mice exposed even to the lowest doses evaluated (14.5mg/kg/day) (see study 13 evaluated in ref. 47).

its not about the fact that it is gmo dummie, it is that they have gmos that are resistant against toxins and thus they use toxins on your food.

Are you a shill or really this stupid

>>732882564
That is not what this is about, did you watch they vid at all?

>>732879203
Nigger if you didn't GM the crops (by breeding them) wheat would still have 15 small grains with little to no flour these days

>>732882676
>toxins

This is the word uninformed organic retards use because they are too lazy and stupid to actually know the correct term. See:
>>732882654

I understand your point, but no one would take Einstein seriously if he ate his own shit. Stop being retarded and people might consider what you have to say.

>>732882838
Nigger that is not what they do, they put in fish genes and shit with a gene gun. either way this is about the pesticide use and they are forcing them to use glysophate, this means they cant use the heirloom genetically selected strains because nothing else but the gmo will grow on that.

Now the strains used that are the gmos in question dont have the amino acids you need in them creating immune diseases

>>732883279
That is an issue of legislation. That is not an issue with the crop. You should be hating Moncuckto, not GEOs.

>>732883185
Can we just get over the fucking title and the semantics pls, so it is GE, who cares they are now forcing and changing laws preventing the creation of pesticide free food.

FUCKIN NEW ANONS

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>>732883558
It s like pulling teeth with you kids.

>>732879203
>>732879203
Every bit of food you have ever eaten throughout your entire life has been GMO, faggot.

>>732883558
When you misuse a term, it leads to an uninformed public. When people hear "GMO" they instantly jump to the thought that it is bad. Without proper language rules, we are nothing, but fucking apes.

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>>732883781
Watch the vid, you know what. fuck it, just go eat your glysophate, dont raid these fucks doing it what ever. get lymphoma cancer and die.

Just let it all burn GMO GE all of it. just let it burn

>>732883733
He is an illiterate retard. Ignore him. If he cannot use terms properly, he does not deserve to have his opinion heard.

>>732883993
Just kys, faggot.

>>732883993
>I still do not understand what I am doing wrong, so I will throw a tantrum like a dumbass! REEEEEE!

Typical response.

>>732884035
That me responding on me there emphasizing that you nu anons are retarded and wont achieve a thing in life because your brain is already rotten. if you do achieve something its pointless because you will die of cancer soon enough

>>732884207
No you are being stupid and are not realizing they are changing the laws so they can poison you.
i show frustration because you dont want to get it, you are like a dodo squabbling on terminology until you die from lymphoma cancer

>>732882676
in 2016 a joint meeting of the United Nations (FAO) Panel of Experts on Pesticide Residues in Food and the Environment and the World Health Organization Core Assessment Group on Pesticide Residues concluded that based on the available evidence "glyphosate is unlikely to pose a carcinogenic risk to humans from exposure through the diet".[16]

>>732882676
>Misinterpreting what you are reading this hard

Holy fuck, my sides.

Also basing decisions on unpublished studies is retard-tier. 99% of the time studies get rejected it's because the methods were fucked and thus the results are fallacious.

>t. scientist

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>>732884159
>>732884207
See this, this is going to be you
>niggers

>>732884499
And introduced it in to the agriculture of europe. yet thousands of studies show that it clearly is a carcinogen.

>are you not getting how bad it is

>>732884216
That was the most idiotic thing I have read so far today. Let me make it Simple for you because you clearly do not understand: Type correctly and people will take you seriously. It is that simple. Just fix your retarded grammar and spelling. If you are on a modern browser, it is showing your mistakes anyway. You are just a stupid lazy little whining bitch and do not want to put forth the effort to improve.

>A nu male

>LIKE, OMG GAIS!!! D-DONT EAT GMOS BECAUSE ITS FRANKENSTEIN GAIS!!!!!
>E-EAT ONLY O-ORGANIC FROM THE SUPERMARKET
>not realising that "organic" labels mean absolutely nothing and is a marketing tool
>"organic" produce are pulled from the same fields and sprayed with the same pesticides as regular produce is
>eaten it for decades with no problems whatsoever
>suddenly be "concerned"
Topwew

>>732884360
>they are changing the laws so they can poison you.

This is what anti-Monsanto retards actually believe

>>732884601
When?

Scare tactic harder, faggot

>>732884836
GMOs are pefectly safe but make no mistake. The folks at Monsanto are evil.

>>732884725
The EPA, which last reviewed glyphosate in 1993, considers glyphosate to be noncarcinogenic and relatively low in dermal and oral acute toxicity.[42] The EPA considered a "worst case" dietary risk model of an individual eating a lifetime of food derived entirely from glyphosate-sprayed fields with residues at their maximum levels. This model indicated that no adverse health effects would be expected under such conditions.[42] In 2015, the EPA initiated a review glyphosate's toxicity and in 2016 reported their conclusion that glyphosate is likely not carcinogenic.

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>>732884499
implying the un is not out to murder ppl

>>732884836
Monsanto is actually shit. The issue is people lump GEOs automatically in with Monsanto. Guns do not kill people. People kill people. GEOs are not the problem. It is their creators that are being assholes and treating them with shit they should not be doing.

>>732885035
>implying you understand biochemistry

>>732884746
Modern browser fixes grammar,
Sure bud.
So if some one with a lisp tells you to duck you wont duck?

>>732884763
yup
sadly morons can talk to one another now instantly and form
voltromoron
self-proclaimed warrior against information that doesn't agree with their angst.
we're all fucked

>>732884836
Anti Monsanto, assuming you are pro, so the shills are already on this

>>732885035
>The Guardian

If you are getting your info from them, you deserve to die from cancer.

>>732885252
just the adults with the will and ability to fact-check

>>732885033
But it is a carcinogen, just spending a shit ton on marketing doesnt makes it safe to use.

>>732884725
Honestly I hope these posts are ironic and you people do not actively protest against using glyphosate in real life, it outs you as a brainlet.

Here's a Forbes article that breaks down why you are a dipshit who cannot into science.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffreykabat/2016/11/21/while-unlikely-to-be-carcinogenic-the-herbicide-glyphosate-is-a-symptom-of-a-deep-social-pathology/

>>732885481
Sauce?

>>732885147
What is already known
Glyphosate is a widely used herbicide, and its use continues to rise

Epidemiology studies suggest associations between GBH exposures and adverse health outcomes including chronic kidney disease and some cancers

A small number of rodent studies suggest that glyphosate can induce cancers

The effects of chemical mixtures can be more toxic than the effects of individual compounds

implying you can read

>>732885209
yet this is not based on angst nor is this a moronic thought.
Dont you think it is moronic to eat something that kills you or makes you sick?

>>732885481
>But it is a carcinogen
Not a human carcinogen. See >>732885481

>>732885117
What '"shit" are they treating plants with that they should not be, exactly?

The jew lawyers who go about suing farmers on behalf of Monsanto are assholes to be sure, but 99% of the time those farmers are actually trying to put one over on Monsanto and create seed from roundup-ready plants (which is verboten in the contract the farmers signed when they bought the roundup-ready seed) so these particular farmers honestly deserve it.

I am very close to this issue (but not a Monsantofag) so believe me when I say that Monsanto is not this evil corporation everyone makes it out to be.

This whole GMO boogeyman is about as retarded as the second hand smoke boogeyman. The anti-smoking ads had second hand smoke coming in from outside, traveling against wind, going through walls, into air ducts, down hallways, under doors, and transforming into demons, specifically targeting infants in cribs...

Cant wait for whatever scare tactics the anti-gmo pussies will come up with to try to frighten people

>>732886011
When was I killed or sick from eating it?

>>732885714
>claims he understands the science
>proceeds to make wild leaps in logic based on the fucking mouse model

They've also cured most kinds of cancer in mice, but guess what? The mechanisms related to cancer in mice do not translate directly to humans.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23756170

>>732885714
Yea if you eat 2-5g glyphosate/kg body weight. Pro tip you will never eat that much through plants

>>732886473
So when you look at humans you see that the farmhands have a increase risk. that is as close as a study you get on humans.

Saying that mice cancer is not the same is not an argument to glyphosate not causing cancers

>>732886713
If it only increase the risk on cancer its not bad right.

>>732885033
>The EPA, which last reviewed glyphosate in 1993, considers glyphosate to be noncarcinogenic and relatively low in dermal and oral acute toxicity.[42] The EPA considered a "worst case" dietary risk model of an individual eating a lifetime of food derived entirely from glyphosate-sprayed fields with residues at their maximum levels. This model

>this model has completle change after that and the amounts used has changed a lot

>>732881848

>>732886993
Exposure to sunlight increases the risk of cancer...you better never go outside ever

>>732886993
Breathing the smoggy air in your city increases your cancer risks too, faggot. You quit breathing yet?

e. Glyphosate has a
large number of tumorigenic effects on biological systems, including direct damage to DNA in
sensitive cells, disruption of glycine homeostasis, succinate dehydrogenase inhibition, chelation
of manganese, modification to more carcinogenic molecules such as N-nitrosoglyphosate and
glyoxylate, disruption of fructose metabolism, etc. Epidemiological evidence supports strong
temporal correlations between glyphosate usage on crops and a multitude of cancers that are
reaching epidemic proportions, including breast cancer, pancreatic cancer, kidney cancer,
thyroid cancer, liver cancer, bladder cancer and myeloid leukaemia. Here, we support these
correlations through an examination of Monsanto’s early studies on glyphosate, and explain how
the biological effects of glyphosate could induce each of these cancers. We believe that the
available evidence warrants a reconsideration of the risk/benefit trade-off with respect to
glyphosate usage to control weeds, and we advocate much stricter regulation of glyphosate.

>>732886843
>So when you look at humans you see that the farmhands have a increase risk.

>Citation needed

Also even if that were true, prove that the cancer is caused by glyphosate and not the thousands of other chemicals handled by the average farm grunt. Oh wait, you can't.

>>732887354
http://notoxicliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Glyphosate-pathways-modern-diseases.pdf

>>732887148
K, are you saying I should care about Bt?

>>732883279
>Nigger that is not what they do, they put in fish genes and shit with a gene gun.
That is certainly much less safe than randomly attacking plant DNA with radiation and chemical compounds as was done before modern gene modification came to be. Bonus: irradiated and chemically modified seeds are accepted in organic agriculture.
> either way this is about the pesticide use and they are forcing them to use glysophate,
No, they aren't. By the way, it is glyphosate.
> this means they cant use the heirloom genetically selected strains because nothing else but the gmo will grow on that.
Funny how crops managed to grow after glyphosate was applied for decades before resistant strains were developed, isn't it?
>Now the strains used that are the gmos in question dont have the amino acids you need in them creating immune diseases
You just went full retard. Never go full retard.

>>732887354
>Because farm hands are chemist and they handle thousands of chemicals (did you just promote organic farming?)
agricultural workers in the northern region [4, 5], and was
probably further motivated by the WHO reevaluation of
its carcinogenic potential. Kidney disease is a risk factor
for multiple cancers, with kidney dialysis being associated
with increased risk of Kaposi’s sarcoma by more than
50-fold, with 3- to 10-fold increased risk of kidney cancer,
and 2- to 9-fold increased risk of thyroid cancer. Many
other cancers also show more modest risk increases [6].
A study of rats fed GM maize and/or Roundup in
their water over their entire lifespan revealed significantly
increased risk of massive mammary tumours in the
females, along with kidney and liver damage in the males
[7]. Most of the tumours were benign, but there were
three metastases (in female animals) and two Wilm’s
tumours found in the kidneys of males, which had to be
euthanized early due to the excessive tumours, which
grew to more than 25% of their body size. The exposed
animals also had a shortened life span compared to the
controls.
The hormone oestrogen was declared to be a human
carcinogen by the National Toxicology Program in 2003
[8]. Glyphosate has been demonstrated to have
oestrogenic effects at minute dosages, in in vitro
experiments on mammary tumour cells [9]. Glyphosate
was able to induce proliferation in these cells in
concentrations of parts per trillion,2
and it did so through
binding affinity to the oestrogen receptor and inducing
activation of the oestrogen response element (ERE). The
fact that an oestrogen antagonist, ICI 182780, could inhibit
glyphosate’s action demonstrated rather conclusively that it
was mediated through oestrogen mimicry.

>>732887667
>Funny how crops managed to grow after glyphosate was applied for decades before resistant strains were developed, isn't it?
They used much smaller doses then they did back then.
They are in a arms raise with the weeds, making stronger crops so they can kill the pesticide resistant weeds.

>>732887485
Do you eat food?
>yes you should care about them putting toxins on your food that give you cancer

Traditional concepts in toxicology are centred on
Paracelsus’ dictum that “the dose makes the poison”,
meaning that one should expect an increasing risk of
toxicity as the level of exposure is increased. However,
the generality of this concept has been challenged due to
the realization that endocrine-disrupting chemicals
(EDCs) often show a greater potential to cause cancer at
very low doses than at higher doses; i.e., the relationship
between dose and response is nonmonotonic, with higher
doses producing a lower toxic effect than lower doses. In
fact, levels of exposure well below the lowest level used
in standard toxicology studies can be carcinogenic, as
discussed by Vandenberg et al. [10]. These authors
concluded their abstract as follows: “We illustrate that
nonmonotonic responses and low-dose effects are
remarkably common in studies of natural hormones and
EDCs. Whether low doses of EDCs influence certain
human disorders is no longer conjecture, because
epidemiological studies show that environmental exposures to EDCs are associated with human diseases
and disabilities. We conclude that when nonmonotonic
dose-response curves occur, the effects of low doses
cannot be predicted by the effects observed at high doses.
Thus, fundamental changes in chemical testing and safety
determination are needed to protect human health.”

>>732888029
Do you know how BT works?

So they have forced ppl to eat glyposates and now they are forcing organic farmers out of business by billing them for spraying the organic farmland with round up?

>>732888320
Is that a abbreviation they use on the Monsanto work floor?,

>>732887765
>(did you just promote organic farming?)

Nope, you are just incapable of using basic reasoning skills and have clearly never been on a farm if you think all of the chemicals on a given farm are pesticides and herbicides.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/article/glyphosate-induces-human-breast-cancer-cells-growth-estrogen-receptors

>>732888640
Oke faggot start listing them

>>732888578
So no, you don't know how it works. You Be quiet when you don't understand

>>732887951
Actually no. They used larger dosis. They also used herbicides which were much more toxic. Some of which, like rotenone, are actually carcinogenic, not "possibly carcinogenic" (glyphosate is 3b, by the way, not 3a) as categorized by IARC by taking botched studies like Seràlini's into account.

>>732888819
Do you even know how FRL works?

This finding should raise concern about the existence of more than one xenoestrogen such as phytoestrogen and contaminants in plant derived food which may be beneficial or harmful depending on the hormonal and pathological status of consumers. This study implied that the additive effect of glyphosate and genistein in postmenopausal woman may induce cancer cell growth. In this present in vitro study, we showed an estrogenicity of pure glyphosate. In summary, we found that glyphosate exhibited a weaker estrogenic activity than estradiol. Furthermore, this study demonstrated the additive estrogenic effects of glyphosate and genistein which implied that the use of glyphosate-contaminated soybean products as dietary supplements may pose a risk of breast cancer because of their potential additive estrogenicity.”

>>732888984
Here you go
It's been dumbed down for numb nuts like you
http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/BTgen.pdf

>>732888810
Gasoline / Diesel
Motor oil
Antifreeze
Freon
A multitude of degreasers / solvents
Hydraulic Fluid
Fertilizers
etc etc etc

Also, farmhands are usually retards and generally eat without washing their hands

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>>732888923
So if they did something really bad in the past, it is okay to do something a little bit bad for your health.

Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer classified glyphosate as "probably carcinogenic in humans" (category 2A) based on epidemiological studies,

>>732889015
>Wild leaps of logic
>Only applies to post-menopausal women

lel

>>732889262
So mechanics should be getting lymphoma like a mofo then right. ow wait they dont

>>732889015
>study implied
>which implied
>may pose

It's like the data wasn't clear cut so they had to use soft claims

>>732889390
If we didn't use chemicals and GMOs we would not have enough food to feed the populace, point blank

You'd rather people would starve than allow farmers to use demonstrably low-risk chemicals? Oh cool

>>732889524
>Citation needed

>>732889580
This guy gets it

Politically driven science != Real science

>>732889390
You know all medicine is poison, the dosage dictates how poisonous

>>732889196
How is that even relevant.

>>732880840
let's really shake things up and get 4chan on the news for donating to charity or helping disadvantaged people in some way

>>732889608
Then why are we still bringing in migrants, you can have agriculture with out the chemicals. organic farmers actual have higher yields and they dont degrade the topsoil

>>732884763
Except 1 in 3 are getting cancer in their lifetime and it's rising.

Top wew

>>732889781
Sure
Traditional concepts in toxicology are centred on
Paracelsus’ dictum that “the dose makes the poison”,
meaning that one should expect an increasing risk of
toxicity as the level of exposure is increased. However,
the generality of this concept has been challenged due to
the realization that endocrine-disrupting chemicals
(EDCs) often show a greater potential to cause cancer at
very low doses than at higher doses; i.e., the relationship
between dose and response is nonmonotonic, with higher
doses producing a lower toxic effect than lower doses. In
fact, levels of exposure well below the lowest level used
in standard toxicology studies can be carcinogenic, as
discussed by Vandenberg et al. [10]. These authors
concluded their abstract as follows: “We illustrate that
nonmonotonic responses and low-dose effects are
remarkably common in studies of natural hormones and
EDCs. Whether low doses of EDCs influence certain
human disorders is no longer conjecture, because
epidemiological studies show that environmental exposures to EDCs are associated with human diseases
and disabilities.

>>732879203
There's a lot of people to feed.

>>732889918
4chan is counter culture, the mainstream culture is destroying itself so it is just a natural transition

>>732889784
If you drink and drive...
The study implies you will get in a car accident
Or
The study demonstrates you will get in a car accident

See the difference now?

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>>732884763
>buying things from a supermarket

>>732884763
>"organic" produce are pulled from the same fields and sprayed with the same pesticides as regular produce is
No it is not
>eaten it for decades with no problems whatsoever
Every seems to have cancer now so that might be a issue

>>732884836
They are changing laws, watch the first vid here https://www.azurestandard.com/

>>732890036
So we should eat more and not less?

Sauce please

>>732890476
http://notoxicliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Glyphosate-pathways-modern-diseases.pdf

Dont eat or buy produce sprayed with toxins

>>732890617
notoxicliving.com
Sure seems nonbias, not

>>732890476
Stop drinking the german beer https://www.thelocal.de/20160225/tests-find-cancer-inducing-chemical-in-german-beers

>>732891023
All alcohol causes cancer.

>>732890904
So are you going to address any argument or just slander ? why is it that all the lefties are against clean food.
i just found a site pro monsato looking this shit up, glorifying pesticides and they had a when trump leaves the offices timer.

Wtf is going on that right winged ppl are now in to nature and health when all the lefties are bathing in depleted uranium shells and want nothing rather then ww3 to start?.

>>732889996
citation needed
>top wew

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>>732891121
Sure, but that is not an argument that is a straw men one of many in this thread.
im guessing you were the same fag as the sun causes cancer, then implied ppl should stay indoor.
This is 4chan anonfag, anons dont ever go outside

>>732891499
No, but you should stay out of the sun or at least use protection. Why would you disagree with that?

>>732891449
Top wew you are trying to derail shit, not that anon but found it in the first search Then there are the odds: statistically, only 3 in 10 Americans will ever get cancer, according to the National Association of Insurance Commissioners.

>>732891605
i dont disagree with that, it looked like you were using it as a straw men

>>732888819
>So no, you don't know how it works
Not knowing how it works and simply not knowing of it are 2 different things.

You made zero point btw.

I do have a question, they are using chemicals they put in the ground to make the ground toxic for non ge plants. WTF

>>732891353
I don't believe it because the authors use disclaimers like this in their text
>While these strong correlations can not prove causality

>>732889196
Yea you call others dumb nuts, but you are not making any point as Bt is not applicable as the substance is acting like a estrogen mimicker and thus isnt function in this Bt manner.

>impressive you knew about Bt though

>>732892052
Yet the animal testing was conclusive, maybe they dont want to be sued??

>>732891988
The point is Bt affects insects because their digestive tracts are alkaline triggers the toxin to work. Ours is acidic, knowing how it works help demostrate it's safety

>>732891796
The link looked like it was singling out beer with "Glyphosate, which is suspected of being carcinogenic" and ignoring the fact that all beer and all alcohol is carcinogenic.

>>732892351
Yeah sure, but that is not the point here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23756170

You are trying to be all smart and shit but that is not applicable because there is a secondary working on the human body.

>you haven't read the tl text in this thread have you.

>>732892254
That statement was in their conclusion, an author doesn't write stuff like that unless they have to because they can't say it demostrated it

>>732892589
No they cant show it conclusively because that would mean you need to start human testing.

>>732892572
Thinks BT is glyphosate, kek

>>732892424
Yet we already seen that glyphosate does causes cancers, so "looked" like not accounting for alcohol causing cancer as well isnt the point.

It just shows that beer is contaminated.

>>732892741
No, i dont. stop being retarded with your Bt, btw is not applicable, are you to stupid to understand the meaning of secondary effect as a estrogen mimicker which is shown to cause cancer?

>Muh Bt

>>732892685
Learn to read science papers critically

They use hand wavey claims and loose wording throughout the entire paper

>>732889922
>organic farmers actual have higher yields

Thanks for the laugh

>they dont degrade the topsoil

I really hope this post is satire

>>732893012
Anon brings up Bt
Tell him it's safe if you get how it works
You come in, hur dur glyphosate

>>732893332
Are you saying that the agriculture of today is not degrading topsoil?

>>732893545
hur dur Bt was never part of the discussion and never been applicable in any part of the conversation

>>732893545
What dont you get that this whole thread is about the forced use of glyphosate on food?

>>732893687
Hmmmmm >>732881848 >>732887148

>>732893077
okay, well it is a hippy website.

Glyphosate is an active ingredient of the most widely used herbicide and it is believed to be less toxic than other pesticides. However, several recent studies showed its potential adverse health effects to humans as it may be an endocrine disruptor. This study focuses on the effects of pure glyphosate on estrogen receptors (ERs) mediated transcriptional activity and their expressions. Glyphosate exerted proliferative effects only in human hormone-dependent breast cancer, T47D cells, but not in hormone-independent breast cancer, MDA-MB231 cells, at 10-12 to 10-6M in estrogen withdrawal condition. The proliferative concentrations of glyphosate that induced the activation of estrogen response element (ERE) transcription activity were 5-13 fold of control in T47D-KBluc cells and this activation was inhibited by an estrogen antagonist, ICI 182780, indicating that the estrogenic activity of glyphosate was mediated via ERs. Furthermore, glyphosate also altered both ERα and β expression. These results indicated that low and environmentally relevant concentrations of glyphosate possessed estrogenic activity.

>>732893890
Still not seeing how that is applicable to the conversation, it was never mentioned and fag anon only started to imply and use it as a straw men >>732887485

For a moment there i thought you woken up and realized the usage spiked after the study, making the study pretty obsolete

>>732893332
>organic farmers actual have higher yields

So what are you just some idiot holding on to your believes or a actaul shill? http://saveoursoils.com/userfiles/downloads/1351256188-Comparative%20analysis%20of%20organic%20and%20non-organic%20farming%20systems%20a%20critical%20assessment%20of%20farm%20profitability%20FAO.pdf

Still waiting on sauce "organic agriculture degrades topsoil "

>>732893984
>This finding should raise concern about the existence of more than one xenoestrogen such as phytoestrogen and contaminants in plant derived food which may be beneficial or harmful depending on the hormonal and pathological status of consumers. This study implied that the additive effect of glyphosate and genistein in postmenopausal woman may induce cancer cell growth. In this present in vitro study, we showed an estrogenicity of pure glyphosate.

More loose claims
Also in Vitro studies rarely match in vitro

>>732881848
When you realize that corn syrup is in everything you eat, there is no avoiding consuming glyposates is there?

>infowars
TOP
OKEK
PE
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>>732894829
Loose claim, no, it is fact it effects the body, they just dont know what the consequences of that effect are.
>he existence of more than one xenoestrogen such as phytoestrogen and contaminants in plant derived food which may be beneficial or harmful depending on the hormonal and pathological status of consumers.

>>732894389
Anon Shows graph showing only Bt and ht
I comment on it, thus brings Bt in to the discussion. Is it really that hard to following?

>>732895052
>which may be
>beneficial or harmful
>depending on
Loose claims

>>732894996
I get it water sales man Zionist shill. but this is actual info supported by facts and research.

>EU classification (DSD)
>Irritant (Xi)
>Dangerous for the environment (N)

Any argument with the attack on source ?

>>732881258
I watched the video...the science is bad and you're missing my point that we've been breeding food for desired characteristics from the dawn of civilization. We've been selective breeding ("modifying") plants for increased pesticide resistance, so as to allow us to use more pesticides, for decades.

>>732894829
>Also in Vitro studies rarely match in vitro
*Also in Vitro studies rarely match in vivo

>>732895233
No dependent on the hormonal state on a person, you cant give a pinpoint statement of effect for all humans.

>>732895406
im not against GE dude

>>732895455
?? were do you read this

>>732895481
For a real trend you can, like in medicine or vaccines

>>732894829
>More loose claims
>Also in Vitro studies rarely match in vitro
?? you are really trying hard here arnt you little buddy

>>732895598
Be biochemist
Compare studies between in vivo and in vitro

>>732895668
it is fact that it is a estrogen mimicker and that causes cancer.
>why bring in another straw men?

>>732895835
>Be biochemist
Works at Monsanto, doesn't wants to accept he is giving ppl cancer

>>732895835
>>732896051
https://youtu.be/3gHqYddtmNU

>>732895839
If they proved it why do they use words like
>may be
>implies
>depends on

Instead of
>demostrated
>indicates
>shows

In their conclusions?

>>732896051
>>732896121
Guise he's a biochemist, hur dur he must be a Monsanto shill

Pro tip I don't work for monsanto

>>732896169
Because further study is needed on the effect of the estrogen mimicking

>>732896392
Pro tip you are not a biochemist

>>732896426
So they didn't prove it and it's not fact...hmmmm

>>732896463
Kek, yes I am

>>732879203
god you're retarded, GMOs aren't bad

>>732896558
They did prove it the negative effects, they did prove the estrogen mimicking, but the extend of the effects are not know yet as that would require human testing.
>you are not a scientist.

>>732896593
Kek, no you are not, you are a shill and a newfag at that

>>732896740
Okay its a bad title, but the use of them and the morality supporting the use is the point. its not about gmo. ow the correct term is GE ppl get upset when you misuse terms

>>732896962
In vitro and they used loose wording in their conclusions. Do you even have access to the paper or are you arguing off the abstract like a pleb? And I am a scientist I don't know how I'd prove it to you becuase I'm not linking any of my publications and they don't hand out biochemist ID cards

>>732897526
Implying you have publications, top kek

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>>732890143
This makes sense.

>>732884763
>"organic" produce are pulled from the same fields and sprayed with the same pesticides as regular produce is
Citation needed

>>732889608
>If we didn't use chemicals and GMOs we would not have enough food to feed the populace
Do you know how much food we just throw away? Do you realize how much fucking corn the US produces that just sits and rots?

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>>732897589
I don't care if you don't believe me it doesn't change that they exist

>>732897941
Not only that organic cultivation yields more and costs less.
This is why they are changing legalization.

Pesticides are used world wide and is a multi billion dollar industry, they have to kill of organic farms because they are actually out competing traditional industrial agriculture

>>732898196
Sauce on claims

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>>732898143
Sure bud, why are you chicken to post them are they that shit, do they show you do actually work for monsanto.
Why are you advocating the use of roundup?

>>732898307
http://saveoursoils.com/userfiles/downloads/1351256188-Comparative%20analysis%20of%20organic%20and%20non-organic%20farming%20systems%20a%20critical%20assessment%20of%20farm%20profitability%20FAO.pdf

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>>732898350
Because this is /b/ and I'm not stupid
Why don't you post a pic of your ID, name face and all?

>>732898438
Direct quote
>Evidence from the studies analyzed showed that yields in well-established organic farms are most often lower than conventional

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>>732890136
Mainly niggers though, the issue is not that there is not enough agricultural land, it is that 1,6 billion niggers and 1,2 billion muslims are to stupid and lazy to grow their own food so they buy it with oil money or get it for free of the UN

>>732889784
its not relevant at all
>>732890169
No

>>732882564
And did they force ppl to use pesticides 150 years back? would they come in and spray on your property and then bill you for the chemicals and labor?

Do you even know that Monsanto sues ppl if they have their crops pollinated by Monsanto crops.
You can tell by the plant, it is shaped slightly different and obviously you can do a dna test

>>732898797
It uses less water, water is the limiting factor in agriculture not land availability

>>732898797
Although yields in organic systems tend to be lower, input costs are usually lower, making these
systems competitive with conventional systems, sometimes even before including organic price
premiums. Welsh (1999) reviewed six long-term studies in the Midwest: without premiums, in three
of the studies the more diverse organic systems were as profitable as the conventional systems; with
premiums, however, in all six studies the organic systems had higher net returns. Thereafter, Mahoney
et al. (2004) found in south-western Minnesota that a four-phase organic rotation (corn-soybean-oatalfalfa)
had equal net returns to a two-phase conventional rotation (corn-soybean) even without price
premiums. Similarly, Delate et al. (2003) had the same findings in Iowa. Pimentel et al. (2005)
reported that in the Rodale study in Pennsylvania, a three-phase organic legume-based system had
similar net returns as the conventional corn-soybean rotation, again before organic price premiums
were factored in.

You cant even turn as many crops a year on industrial agriculture because of the salt build ups

Many farmers are tenants and do not own the lands in developing countries, and as a
consequence have less motivation in investing into better management practices. Mendoza
(2002) found that all organic farmers were landowners (and indeed they had higher yields),
whereas only three out of the studied 17 conventional rice farmers owned their lands.

An Indo-Swiss research team compared agronomic data of 60 organic and 60 conventional farms over
two years (Eyhorn et al., 2005) and came to the conclusion that cotton-based organic farming is more
profitable: variable production costs were 13-20 percent lower, inputs were 40 percent lower, yet yields
were 4-6 percent higher in the two years

>>732898797
"Evidence from the studies analyzed showed that yields in well-established organic farms are most
often lower than conventional, to varying degrees. Most European studies including cereals,
vegetables and mixed farming systems produced somewhat lower yields (FAT, 1992-97; BMELF,
1991-98; Offermann and Nieberg, 2000), whereas milk yields most often showed similar results when
measured in liters per cow (Younie et al., 1990; FAT, 1993; Offermann and Nieberg, 2000). On the
other hand, the majority of long-term studies involving soy-corn rotation in U.S.A, showed that
organic yields on average were not significantly different (Chase and Duffy, 1991; Hanson et al., "

So why should we eat poison that is a carcinogenic? for slightly higher yields and topsoil erosion?