Prove to me with 100% certainty that you are not in a fully emmersive

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.Sure I feel the burn, and I see the glitches but until either or neither can be proved both are more or less true.

>>732774959
Cuz that doesn't exist you fucking moron.

Have you ever seen one?

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>>732774959
>emmersive

Well... since that word doesn't exist, I can't.

But otherwise, I'm nearly 100% certain we are living in a simulation. Or I am, at least.

>>732774959

Surely if I was voluntarily in a fully immersive simulation, it'd be something more interesting.

Like being a space ninja fighter pilot or some shit.

Unless you're saying its like the matrix and its a form of control, in which case fair enough.

>>732775132
Actual retard detected.

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>>732775132
You haven't seen the innermost 100km of the Sun, but I'm pretty sure it's there.

Prove to me with 100% certainty that you and everything else did not just appear out of nowhere right now

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>>732775193
It almost certainly is not voluntary.

>>732774959
>emmersive
Pretty fuckin immersive when it's got spelling mistakes made by galloping faggots.

>>732774959
The graphics are not as good as all that.

"We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism? "

Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7
Activity Recorded M.Y. 2302.22467

TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED"

>>732774959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqLY96_zezc

>>732774959
This is like the same argument as religion. You just want to sound smart believing this shit, when there is no realistic way to prove it. Sure we all MIGHT be, but there's no point in arguing a topic which can't be proven either way. Good luck with that faith in the Matrix

If we are in a simulated environment, then what would you describe dreaming is? A simulation inside of a simulation?

A) I can't.
B) You're a moron.
C) I want to build a computer simulation of the universe so that if we are in a simulation it will crash.

>>732775496
Maybe they invented an infinitely complex computer

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>>732774959
No sentient being nor a powerful machine would be sadistic enough to create this hell.

>>732775151
MOARRR

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>>732775555
Quads never lie

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>>732775422
I'm not trying to be a philosophic asshole here, but there's nothing wrong with questioning issues for which we are specifically barred from finding incontrovertible proof. As has always been the case, as knowledge grows so will our understanding of this (simulated) universe.

Cutting off discussion because there is "no realistic way to prove it" is dumb. Like you.

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>>732775555

If I am please put me out of my misery.

>>732775237
It's not possible

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>>732775496
Why would a simulation in a simulation crash? Most likely that's what this universe is; multiple layers of nested simulations.

IT'S SIMULATIONS ALL THE WAY DOWN

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>>732774959
Hmmm... you cannot prove that the universe exists and is not a hallucination. You can prove that you exist, but only to yourself. However, you cannot know what you are. That's because you always rely on your own senses.

>>732775355
This some real shit nigga

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>>732775439
what if you dreamed of someone dreaming inside you dream

>>732774959
Cogito ergo sum

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>>732775564
Ancestor simulations to explore their past?

Who cares about hell? How many of us put a Sim in a swimming pool and deleted the ladder? It's the same thing.

>>732775286
It could be both voluntary and involuntary, or in otherwords we chose to enter know we wouldn't know it was real once we did.

It would make the facsimile much more bearable.

>>732775439
Yea

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>>732775808
Quotation from the best vidya ever.

>>732775684
Not the same anon, but just because Descartes thought it was a good idea doesn't mean it was. We all know you can't prove it either way. Everything you know is based on your senses telling you things. We can go deeper. What is the meaning of 'you'?

It's good to know about these things and question them a bit, but then again, if you can't handle the existentialism of all that and instead seek to question it forever, you might as well end it all now and save yourself the hassle.

>>732775824
The full quote is:
"Dubito, ergo cogito. Cogito ergo sum."
I doubt, therefore I think. I think, therefore I am."

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>>732775555
Déjà vu that's as real as it gets

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>>732775439
No, dreaming is an artifact of evolution, just as we understand it in "real life." It's one of the mechanisms of our wetware assimilating information as learning.

>>732775824
that doesnt prove anything about you, only that you are

if OP stood true and this was a fully immersive sumilatition then you would still be you, so "Cogito Ergo Sum" has no meaning in this context

>>732775744
Yup.

One thing is certain, if humanity ever creates a fully functioning infinity simulation then we are infinitely more likely to be in a simulation ourselves.

>>732774959
Someone just came across the "brain in a vat" in philosophy 101. How cute. Hope your... "emmersive" dilemma gets you that A+.

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I can get passed captcha
>robots will never understand how it works

>>732774959
Baby's first hard solipsism?

>>732775237
The universe began last thursday. Look it up.

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>>732775931
Agreed, to a point, but simulation theory does offer explanations for some real-world effects that go beyond "my senses tell me so."

See paper: Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser

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>>732774959
I can kill myself with actual results.
A simulation wouldn´t allow the premature death of a specimen.

Checkmate, faggot.

>>732776360
I'll give that a read

>>732774959
no simulation can replicate this misery.

no computer can properly create such clusterfuckery that occurs to me in this life.

only an infinitely powerful force or being could create such a perfect hell

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>>732776360
it looks like she has a really tiny penis

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>>732776486
You're not the focus of the simulation.

Also, you don't know you can kill yourself. You're operating on a learned assumption based on years on 4chan with no first-hand experience.

>>732776486
What? Why do you think that your human logic and rules would apply to the logic and rules of a simulation?

>>732774959
Because if I was in one, there'd wouldn't be posts like this to suggest that was the case.

>>732774959
There is no end to irrational decimals like pi. To maintain an infinite and nonrepeating sequence would require infinite computing power. Since there is no source of infinite energy, and resolving all of the sequence would take an infinite amount of time anyway, we cannot be living in a simulation.

>>732776486
Why not ? There's more than enough specimens and who says that "premature" deaths aren't necessary for an accurate sim?

>>732776616
Nigger did you even read my post?

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>>732776486
have you tried? if it is YOUR simulation then it doent matter that OTHER people are killing themselves

you know what you have to do. You have to test this. You have to KYS faget

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>>732775355
Sweet quote bro, Alpha Centauri is always relevant.

>>732775929
This is correct. Best vidya ever.

'There are only two ways in which we can account for a necessary agreement of experience with the concepts of its objects: either experience makes these concepts possible or these concepts make experience possible.'

Immanuel Kant, "Critique of Pure Reason - Datalinks"

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>>732776629
On the contrary, self-discovery of the simulation might be exactly one of the goals creators might have for the inhabitants.

See the work of James Gates in superstring theory

>>732776527
just because you can't concieve of it doesnt mean that it doesn't exist nigger

>>732774959
If we were in an immersive simulation, we'd have no ability to debunk short of violating causality.

>>732774959
funny that this would explain the quantum fluctuation and observation of the wave function. Instead of the atoms changing due to being observed by "Magic" Instead it changes because now the computer has to render the microverse.

>>732776616
Because logic is mathematically pure, it's not just something we think.

>>732775744
Fill cache - data overflow

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>>732776642
Counterpoint: in Eve Online you can fly your ship infinitely in one direction. Certainly the simulation doesn't create infinity, nor does it crash the shell simulation of this universe; you can programmatically account for "infinities" through scope.

>>732775555
Maybe you should let the adults talk....

>>732774959
Is that fucking Descartes demon or whatever?

Shit. Whatever. The whole point of those meditations is that one cannot prove ANYTHING other than that they are a "thinking thing" in this very moment.

>>732776771
It'd be awesome if immortality is granted to the species that can escape first.

>>732774959
There is no way of proving it, but what would be the benefit of knowing anyways? There is no way of proving we are in an immersive simulation for sure, so Ill tale murphy's law on this one.

>>732776486

Maybe that's the whole point of this simulation..once you off yourself then you wake up and get your results on this test...

>>732776095
U smart

>>732776931
Even with today's theories about quantum computing, it would be possible to simulate the entire universe inside the entire universe.

Imagine a computer with a trillion qbits?

>>732776070
Dreaming is a simulation

>>732776924
I reckon that if you flew far enough the server would crash as it wouldn't have enough memory to continue to hold all the data from the randomly created map. Maybe that's a long way because most of space is empty, but there's still a theoretical limit.

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Also, why the fuck am I responding to this? OP where the fuck are you?

>>732776673
That doesn't account for suicide.

If I'm in a simulation, i'm there for a reason, someone or something has spent time, energy and, if sentient, wealth to put me there.

Death would be rather counterproductive, and as such, the simulation would not allow for things like suicide, lethal accidents or even accidental poisoning yourself with Jack Daniels.

Wether it's a human invention or sum alium shit, it would still follow basic logic, because it's literally impossible not to.

>>732776721
would fucking love to see such a movie with such a cast
tilda swinton as the redhaired ecovegan haha, makes sense

>>732774959
would it matter?

>>732774959
cause you're a faggot

>>732777067
The edge of the visible universe is just the max render distance

>>732775355
>the goyim know
>shut it down

>>732775049
No. The absence of evidence means that until evidence is found, belief in <thing> is without value.
Do you seriously not burden of proof?

>>732777192
But the map has to be saved somewhere, otherwise if you move further than the circumference of the current render distance, then move back again it'll be different.

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>>732777060
You don't have to imagine it, with it's peers it is simulating every neuron in your brain imagining it simulating every neuron in your brain.

>>732775151
Fuck the topic, post moar of that impossibly tight skirt.

After smoking weed and playing Prey I can't be sure anymore

>>732777421
Seriously, the world just feels wrong and fucked up sometimes

>>732777777
lets roll for this guoise

>>732777707
it's comming

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>>732774959
I can't and I won't but if such a thing exists I'm going to score 4%, you bunch of twonks.

>>732777707
get

>>732777092
Right here I've been reading all of these

>>732777483
That defeats the question of the thread, the question was ''how can you prove you're not IN a fully immersive simulation''

Not ''how do you know if you're PART of a simulation.

There's a big difference between being real your surroundings being fake, and you yourself being fake.

Fuck this shit

This all basically boils down to the age old question of 'what is consciousness?' If it's a tangible, empirical thing then it can theoretically be simulated. If it isn't, then it can't.

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It was linked earlier and is certainly not perfect, but this is worth the watch:

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/simulation-hypothesis/

>>732777060
if you have a computer simulating the universe you need to simulate that simulation. And that simulation. And that simulation....

>>732777777

OP demands deductive proof, but there doesn't seem to be the possibility of providing any. However, most smart people have moved past this.

If you want to get any work done you'll have to turn to induction and things like empirical adequacy. Realism is super outdated, people tend to be perspectivists these days. So, suffice to say there's something real out there. Definitely don't make the mistake of trying to characterize it. Maybe it's a simulation, maybe not. Better to concern oneself with developing accounts of error, robustness, convergence/divergence, measurement, theory, and models. Work within a "paradigm," or "repertoire," get your theoretical and observational methodology as coherent as possible, and proceed with successful inductions.

tl;dr set aside metaphysics and focus on pragmatic epistemological virtues.

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>>732777822
Agreed to a degree. Fair point.

>>732774959
I was just playing farpoint. Now im not. This is real life.

In seriousness though the simulated universe hypothesis is fascinating.

>>732777969
/thread
(for practical reasons)

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>traps look better than real women
>a man looks more feminine and legit than a woman
>NOT living in a simulation, if that is not enough to prove it then I don't know what else

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>>732778129

>>732778002
Either way, if a civilization or entity has the power to create such an insanely sophisticated machine that simulates all of space and time, it would probably also be able to get whatever it wants from that simulation by easier means.

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This is my life

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>>732778160

>>732775422
Not OP but you dont have to be so cynical. There are some pretty convincing arguments and thought experiments

You dont have to believe it, accept it, and it doesnt have to be true, but isnt it fun to play with ideas once in awhile?

Because obviously you can't prove it, and of course its silly, but it makes a great exercise in expanding your mind and abstract thinking.

Also it could turn out to be true which would be whacky.

>>732778199
NAME PLEASE holy fuck.

>>732778199
o shi-..who dat

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>>732778286
Chloe Salpa

>>732777270
It is saved in your brain, called experience. I meant observable universe

>>732778286
>>732778199
>>732778305
Chloe Salpa

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>>732778352
Traps vs women

*******error************

>>732778336
Yeah, but every system has a finite memory, even if that memory limit is gigantic and not practically reachable.

>>732774959
But we all are. That is how it has been for ages. fucking plebeian self hating non jar kin!!

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This is always the last thing I see in my dreams before waking up.

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Perhaps the simulation is to determine whether 4chan can go one fucking thread without it degenerating into trap central.

Well done, fags, they may just pull the plug on the universe now. Also, if you can't tell those are men, there is something wrong with your brain.

Good convo, gents (IF I MAY ASSUME YOUR GENDER). Peace.

>>732778522
Until we discover a way to make it infinite.

Crazier more unbelievable things that defy all logic have been discovered.

But for the moment we must accept youre right.

ya, no-one would make a simulation with a life like mine..i go to work hang out and play games..what would be the point...and isnt that the big question..why would anyone go through all that trouble to make a virtual world..

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>>732778522
Sure, and the areas that aren't being observed aren't being rendered.

>>732778662
Gotta change it to "Tits and Natural Vag or GTFO"

>>732774959
The fagness emanating from OP would crash the system!

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TFW an update changes the color settings

>>732774959
Because the whole entropic degeneration mechanic is screwy.

>>732774959
but i am

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>>732778948
And a glitch in the lips

>>732778794
>things not rendered

The first thing i thought of when i first saw the double slit experiment..

>>732778481
see this is actually interesting. can you say a bit more about this anon? error on who's part?

so here's something to get us started. one account of error looks like this: scientists run an experiment a bunch of times and one of the experimental outputs coheres poorly with all the others. in this case error has been generated between trials of the same experiment.

Because no computer could come up with a simulation this cruel only the domain of god could create such horror.

>>732775049
unlike some things, there are small bits and pieces of ancedotal evidence.

>Brickwall cut off on cosmic energy levels
>Quantum physics equations mimicing search engines formulas
>glitches like double slit experiment that show the difference between rendered and non-rendered world data.

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>>732779219
See: I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream, Harlan Ellison

>>732777738
Youre tellin me, you spent 4 years running around as the prat version of rimmer? Blimey

>>732774959
Who cares? As long as I'm happy.

>>732779185
I see what you mean but i think youre barking up the wrong tree on that one.

There are always outlying experiments because unseen factors can alter the outcome. Thats why we have peer review and the scientific method includes reproducing studies.

We can demonstrate a strong link between smoking and cancer but it isnt certain.

If a researcher did his own life long case study of 1000 individuals, he could by chance pick a significant amount of people who dont end up getting cancer like the rest of the body of scientific knowledge has found.

In fact its possible none of his subjects get cancer at all. Just odds.

>>732778794
They don't have to be always rendered, but their layout has to be stored somewhere, otherwise it'll be different when you return, and that would be a way of proving that you were in a simulation.

I know I'm not because I haven't watched too many gay nerd movies.

>>732774959
Imagine the base universe as a simulation for a second
Now, in order to simulate a universe you would need something more powerful than the universe that contains the thing hosting the simulation
good luck making something like that

>>732774959
who would make me? my life is pointless

There's no economic incentive to make a literally perfect simulation for just me.

>>732778794
>>732778662
>>732779300
moar epic boobs goddammit i think i may wake up from the dream.

>>732777067
It's extremely unlikely a simulated universe's matter is stored like minecraft worlds.

>>732779624
Unless its not just for you and theyre harvesting your blood, stem cells, organs, or using you as an energy source.

Or maybe you paid for the simulation?

Still my one problem with the matrix thing... Why distract people with a simulation. Medically induced comas work too and way less maintenance...

>>732779737
I'm not suggesting its stored like in minecraft, but it has to be stored somehow, or it'll be different upon return.

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>>732779510
...which is why the double slit experiment is so curious, especially in the Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser form I mentioned earlier.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. Current computing methodologies wouldn't work out. I'm not talking about running it on an i7 with 64g of ram.

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>>732779624
Economic?

Read The Egg by Andy Weir. Take you 10 minutes, changed my life.

>>732779803
...Assuming the outside universe is anything like ours, assuming it has the same rules governing matter and energy which impose limits upon their computers the same way it does to ours.

>>732779855
>>732779803
I've just thought, it's possible that there could be rules implemented in the synthesis of map layout which would mean that it would be generated in exactly the same way every time. For example, atom A will always spawn next to an atom of B, and so on. However, that doesn't account for man made changes

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>>732779716
>>>732778794 (You)
>>>732778662 (You)
>>>732779300 (You)
>moar epic boobs goddammit i think i may wake up from the dream.

Ha, ok. Not bad, eh?

>>732779974
Yeah, valid point

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>>732774959
Prove to me with 100% certainty that we are in a fully immersive simulation right now.

You're the one positing the outrageous claim, it's up to you to back it up, fuckface.

>>732780125
>>732779974
But then it goes back to where we were before - that there's absolutely no way of knowing

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>>732779737
Agreed, it was a simple illustration that the idea of "infinities" are not insurmountable in computing. We do it all the time.

I'm sure the processor running our current simulation is like nothing we can even conceive of.

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>>732775555
Witnessed

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>>732780136
>faggot.jpg
Indeed.

>>732776924
Simulations like that delete/unload unneeded data to make room for new/needed data. When you fly out in one direction, things too far away to be rendered are removed, and their data space is used to render nearer things you are flying towards.

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>>732779300

Something I don't understand is why the human brain reacts as it does to music. What is it about sound waves which causes such pleasure in organic life?

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>>732780136
not OP ut questions =/= making a claim

he never flat out stated we were in a simulation, just asked us to prove we werent

its called a "thought expiriment" ut you don't know much about "thoughts" do you

>>732780359
...right. Processing power is spent on that which is rendered. I have no idea if cycles are being spent updating the state of the gigaparsecs of nothing between galaxy clusters, but it seems like an awful waste of processing power to run that simulation UNLESS SOMEONE OBSERVES IT.

>>732780412
How is she gonna make a phone call?

>>732780210
The same could be said about virtual machines. It is often said that code has absolutely no way of figuring out whether it is or is not inside a guest machine or a host... yet there are many computer viruses which have managed to escape their virtual machines and infect the host somehow.
The universe we live in is so massive and complex that if it is simulated, we will eventually find a computer-like exploit which will suggest the universe is simulated... unless it is perfectly sealed in every conceivable way (which is rare).

>>732780460
this

>>732774959
Not a simulation, more like the dreams we have when sleeping, just a bit different.

>>732777033
How is that different than what most people believe anyways. Except without calling it a simulation. Just substitute simulation with reality and the whole notion become devoid of value. Everyone agrees, on some level, that we're both here and somewhere else at the same time.

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>>732780442
Culturally imbued.

Various cultures prefer atonal music or that which has differring degrees of consonance and dissonance.

>>732780554
One possible way would be to cause such a huge amount to go on that the processor would lag. The only problem with that is that there's so much going on already, from atoms moving to electron spin to magnetic fields to stars collapsing etc that there's no conceivable way we could ever cause that much to happen at once.

>>732778522
Our brains cull memories on a constant basis and the neuronal pathway is restructured. Instead of forgetting, we're just not remembering hard enough. So, like the recycle bin, we wait until we can 0 over the unused area.

>>732780554
>The universe we live in is so massive and complex that if it is simulated, we will eventually find a computer-like exploit which will suggest the universe is simulated... unless it is perfectly sealed in every conceivable way (which is rare).

Or trigger a null pointer exception in the simulation, crashing our node in the universe.

> star 0xe842fbc23 just died. think we should scan it for anomalous activity?
> we'd have to pause the rest of the cluster. again. you know what? one shit star on the outer edges of the galaxy won't through the projection off, ignore it
> okee. beleeted.

>>732780738
I agree that its effects Cary from culture to culture, but every culture has developed some form of music. Why create it if it does nothing for us?

>>732780738
Fucking wrong.
Music is sound interpretation. Our brains light up to music to try and figure it out.

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>>732780554
>we will eventually find a computer-like exploit which will suggest the universe is simulated

James Gates, Block Linear Self Dual Error Correcting Code.

>>732780913

Why have a giant predator-attracting bird-slowing set of 7ft ass feathers? Because females dig it, mate with the best at it, and boom. Sexual selection.

It's common in animals and humans.

>>732778175
Maybe they just do it for fun

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>>732780983
I never said anything about "sound interpretation." Differing cultures have opposing ideas of that which is musically pleasing, ya dumb fuck.

>>732780784
Since there is finite matter and energy, that will probably be impossible. A simulated universe would always be simulating all interactions between matter and energy, so without adding more matter and energy to the system, it will not be possible to lag it - even if you smash billions of gigantic black holes together at near light speed. All you're doing is changing values, rather than giving the simulation more "work" to do.

>>732781172
Then why do computer simulations of physics engines lag?

>>732781021
So music, and the ability to create it, is a form of sexual selection?

5th dimensional being creates 4th dimensional universe for their art major at the local community college

they then go home and regret how useless they are at life

>>732781339
everything humans do is either for

1) reproduction
2) protection
3) boredom

pick which one you think music goes into and youre probably right for some culture somewhere

>>732781170
>>732781170
They interpret the sound to be pleasing.
Nigger, it's not about culture it's about sound.

>>732781301
Because we have really shitty computers that seem to be getting smaller rather than faster, and many retarded developers prefer to write physics engines in high level languages like Javascript and C# for x86 processors rather than assembly for chipsets specifically designed for these kinds of calculations.

>>732781475
Yeah I eat to protect myself.

>>732774959
If I could prove it existed then it wouldn't be "fully immersive", would it?

>>732775744
Computing power is finite. You can keep expanding the memory but your ability to increase it is going to be limited by the confines of the original non-simulation universe.

If your simulation can in turn run simulations, the original machine has to run both simulations. This requires twice as much processing power. If every simulation can in turn run multiple simulations, in which more simulations can be run, then this need for more processing power increases exponentially.

EVENTUALLY the whole thing will hit the upper limit of the primary computer's processing abilities and crash the whole thing.

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>>732781525
Objectively, categorically, incorrect.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/07/your-culture-not-your-biology-shapes-your-musical-taste

Bye bye, now.

>>732780784
Unless those functions are simulated until closely inspected, much like the way video games don't render what the player cannot see.

>>732780554
>The universe we live in is so massive and complex
We don't know that - yet. It is fucking HUGE, but the basic rules, call it a world formular if you want, may be dead simple. The simulation only had to calculate the basic rules engine. The complexity we observe follows from there.

>>732781638
dam, youre a double retard

for starters, you do eat to protect yourself. if you dont eat you die you dumb nigger.

and next, this was meant as a cultural analysis rather than personal. which you shouldve understood but you dont know what context is because of the whole double retard thing.

Life is a sim? no wonder me cutting myself didnt work :/

>>732781475
>protection
You mean self-preservation.

>>732781678
None of the computers will crash, they'd probably just slow down, causing all the lower simulations to slow down too, but their simulated realities will gradually have less and less energy and matter, and they will have simpler rules the further down you go.

>>732774959
If it was a simulation, they must be pretty awful cunts for making me live this life

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>>732781678
Not disagreeing with this, either. The issue is that one cannot think about this from a standpoint of our computing technology; we are woefully ill-equipped to relate to an advanced society's computer architecture. We are in the very infancy of computing.

But I agree, processing power would need to increase exponentially. From the perspective of this universe, we just have no way of knowing what that would look like.

>>732780460
>thought experiment

It's called b8.

Calling this a thought experiment is like calling prank channels on youtube social experiment channels.

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>>732774959
>prove something
>the only rule is that it's not provable
>go
good shit OP, good shit

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>>732781776
The laws of the universe ARE dead simple. Max Tegmark does a great talk about this.

>>732781982
dont forget about Poe's Law, you may think its b8 but theres no way to know for sure, however this line of question is common in philosophical conversations

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>>732774959
Why don't you prove it to us anon?

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>>732781842
>they'd probably just slow down, causing all the lower simulations to slow down too,
...and from the perspective of the simulated, they would either a) not notice as their perceptions are slowed as well or b) observe strange effects such as the slowing of time due to large gravitational forces.

It's one of the more assumptive parts in the Simultion Theory doc that was posted, but what if large congregations of mass required more processing power and thus were more apt to slowdown with relation to the rest of the simulation?

>>732780784
Maybe our universe slowing down is computer lag from the expansion being rendered.

>>732782332
This assumes they use similar processing power as we understand, for all we know a higher level simulation doesn't have conservation of mass and energy.

>>732780136
I didn't claim anything faggot

>>732774959
But I am. In all likelihood none of you are real.

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>>732782419
Yeah, agreed. It's a fun thought, but I find it a little too touchy-feely for a discussion of simultion theory.

I'm quite positive anything that would we capable of running our simulation would be entirely outside the scope of our ability to understand.

>>732782332
I prefer hypothesis A. If I were to simulate a universe, I would not implement delta timing because it would fuck up the elements in the simulation, I'd rather wait and get an extremely accurate simulation.
I don't use delta timing when simulating neural network agents for a genetic algorithm because the delta timing can add an unfair penalty to a valid species.

>>732781802
You don't know they were being sarcastic. I eat for self protection in the form of health, or truthfully to remain non-sick. I never eat because I'm bored. I suppose eating for health could/should be for reproduction too.

>>732774959
I either am or am not. That's all I can prove.

>I don't understand how sensory organs work
We are, every living thing that can detect it's environment is by definition experiencing a simulation of the environment they're placed in through their sensory organs

>>732777095
>Death would be rather counterproductive
Depends on the goals of the simulation, don't you think? For instance, maybe it was created to study the progression of depression in people who can't rewrite their own minds at will. In that kind of context, allowing for suicide might be practical - this individual has progressed far enough that further study is counterproductive. Or alternative, death of someone always causes a series of reactions and interactions, and thus is necessary to get a complete picture of the society.

>>732777822
Ah, but against all odds, you haven't died yet. So the existence of death doesn't disprove that you're in a simulation, only your own death could disprove - or prove - that.

>>732774959
According to the most successful scientific theory ever devised, nothing exists (or is real) until it is observed. Therefore, there's a pretty good chance that 99% of the universe doesn't really exist, but rather is just a quantum probability. In other words, it's all an illusion except that which we observe.

Funny thing is, even if we observed it, and then quit observing, it immediately reverts back to mere quantum probability. So the chance that we're in some sort of simulation is really quite high.

>>732776095
Then how do we get out? :o

>>732783336
This this this. It's all about observation and the changes that observation makes on the very universe itself.

>>732774959
does it changes a thing? What if a die the same moment my virtual self dies

>the game

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>>732783440
FUCK I didn't attach a pic!

That may be my cue to be off.

>>732783440
Which leads me to conclude that the universe exists only because we exist.

I wonder if it exists for simpler life forms? An Amoeba, for example. Does an amoeba cause the universe to solidify?

>>732775439
dreaming is just the installing updates screensaver

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>>732783355
...get out? Where would you go? Reality itself is simulated; this isn't like the Matrix where you're going to wake up in a pool of goo.

>>732783336
>>732783440
>reifying scientific theory

>>732783628
You can't make that argument as we are not necessarily the object of the simulation. We could just be a fortunate happenstance of a few million/trillion/googolplex RNGs coming together in a cosmic lottery.

>>732774959
Do your own psychology homework

>>732783656
Good question, if we can't exist outside the simulator, then what can we learn about the simulator itself? What does the simulator exist in?

>>732783656
>nothing is simulating something
How is that more probable than something being itself?

>>732779287
>>glitches like double slit experiment that show the difference between rendered and non-rendered world data.
This one always seriously melts my brain

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>>732783831
By definition we can't learn anything about the simulator, only the rules & aberrations it has for the simulation. ie the irregularity of the double slit experiment.

>>732783552
Happy Chrissimas

>>732783966
That's because it's a retard interpretation of the results

>>732783810
Yet the theory requires observation for any reality to exist. Thus, an observer must exist first. Otherwise, it all remains as a quantum probability.

I hate to say this, but there must be a first observer. Either the first life form or the first self aware mind. Whichever, there had to be a first.

>>732780554
>The universe we live in is so massive and complex that if it is simulated, we will eventually find a computer-like exploit which will suggest the universe is simulated
We've already discovered some features that are highly suggestive of this - areas of "infinite" gravity that can't be directly observed, maximum resolution capable of being rendered(Planck's length), inability to perfectly measure certain things(like the velocity and location of subatomic particles), an absolute speed limit, particles that seem to behave in a probabilistic rather than strictly causal manner... Shit, the entirely of QED makes a lot more sense if you assume that we're living in a simulation.

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>>732783889
No one said "nothing" is running the simulation. On the contrary, quite clearly multiple levels of simulation are running the simulation. What's at the top? Or one level up, for that matter? No one will ever know.