do you agree with this image? if not, why? not bait in any sense,

>>732252770
no, its mostly hollywood from what i know

>>732252770
bump

>>732252770
How 'murica is educated.
How it really was

>>732252770
New call of duty bread?

>>732252770
Amerifag here, in high school they made it seem like we did most of the fighting. Once I got to college they explained it in a lot more detail.

>>732252770
no, because most people don't believe the US was the only country involved. Actually who am I kidding, many people don't even know what the fucking civil war in our own country was. I am surrounded by complete idiots who have no interest in bettering themselves.

More dead Russians though, like 4/5ths of them need to be dead

>>732252770
Kinda,Americans sure were important in the defeating the nazis but only the soviets could deliver the Suicidal-no regards for my own people Steamroll on Hitler's strongest troops so far.

Easy Company rolled through Europe and gave everyone freedom fries

>>732253189
Don't preorder it

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>>732252770

I'm Italian and I'm flattered by the size of the Italian one, compared to Germany and Japan.

btw, that's the flag of the Italian Navy, not the Italian State.

tl,dr: top kek

>the "how it really was" is pretty accurate.

people seem to forget that the allies were sending the russians equipment and kept the nazis out of the middle east, which kept their planes from flying and tanks from moving

Disagree because there weren't dinosaurs during the way you fucking idiot lmao

>>732253344
only with the U.S.' materials support. How I wish the nazis would have won. the u.s, needed to have its ass kicked.

>>732252770
you heard wrong.

>>732252770
>only usa that smoked nazi germany in ww2.
I used to believe that until i got to college.

>>732253562
where are you from?

>>732253466
and by Allies you mean Britain and the brave guys from the Commonwealth

The picture misses US bombers which were vital for Germany's loss.

>>732252770
Short answer:

Without US intervention, both with lend lease and direct combat, then Germany would have been able to make a favorable peace with Russia and go on ruling Europe.

I live in USA and the top isnt how it's taught, at least it wasn't to me. That is probably more like it has been interpreted by all of the retards here, though.

We were taught that America pushed back the lines at Normandy, which was a big turning point in the war. Normandy and the war on the Pacific were the two biggest roles we had in the war. Americans don't really see is as we fought and won the war ourselves, we see it as once we joined, we ended it.

Punch me

>>732253770
Britain was on the brink of falling. Wish we let them.

>>732254043
Britfag here, wish you had left us too.

>>732253832
unlikely, hitler was far more interested in destroying communism than ruling europe, if he could've achieved it without fighting france and uk he would've

>>732254043
Churchill gave up too much in that trade

>>732252770
Its not our education system at all. It's 100% our Jewish media. Movies mainly. So many well crafted ww2 films making it seem like the US was the main force behind everything.

I mean there were troops going to Europe. Just not as many as US film industry paints it to be. It's all for jew pitty and jew guilt mainly. Anywhere they can stick in the fucking holocaust. Oy.

>>732253452
I'm French from Savoy.
Isn't it the Savoy emblem on the italian flag ?

>>732254329
wow do you really not your history? the house of savoy united italy and become the royal family

>>732253834
The top is just how the rest of the world thinks the USA thinks tbh.

Anybody living in the US if pressured on the question wouldn't actually think that way unless you ask some backwater redneck living in the forest.

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In my school, the focus was mostly on the U.S. and Germany, and Japan. I found it strange they didn't go into much depth about everything else going on.

>>732254134
Realistically, German forces didn't have the ability to push all the way to the Urals. Best case scenario was that the line would remain stalemated somewhere around where it was set in the winter of 1941-1942. The stalemate would have given Germany enough of a bargaining position that they might have been able to take the Baltic and the rest of Poland in a peace settlement.

Destroying bolshevism was rhetoric, and rhetoric is malleable. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is a good example of that.

Without the US pouring tanks, trucks, guns, planes and food into Britain and Russia, they would not have been able to continue resisting. I don't think the US won the war singlehanded, but they certainly provided the men and materiel to win.

>>732252770
The first text should say "How american people think WW2 WAS".
I dont think the rest of the world have that vision.

>>732254416
Sure i know but i think it was the national flag of italy for a time, history teacher prefer teach some fucking paris history instead of our homeland

>>732253832
No, just no. Peace was never an option for the Soviets or Nazi's.

As for the original image, not really. It's true that in terms of raw numbers the Soviets contributed the most manpower. But in terms of strategic impact, there's no denying the huge impact of the UK/CAN/AUS/US.

There seems to be a great deal of effort in the West to minimise the Anglo contribution. No idea why.

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>>732252770
In all 12 years of school we only covered world war 2 for 2 weeks in one year and we spent a week of that talking about the cold war being the result of it.

K-8 we literally only ever learned about Indians and how white people killed them all, despite the fact disease killed them all, which was almost never covered.


This is why I'm so confused when people tell me they never learned about white people killing Indians and Russia being in WW2

>>732253287
Funny, how they never taught critical thinking until college.

OKlahomafag here, US' role in WW2 was exaggerated, but not that exagerated

>>732254961
You know I didn't know until I read it myself that disease killed off most of the Indians, looking back schools are almost like cult indoctrination

Hippies went on to become the teachers in school systems, the hippies should have been gassed

>>732254797
>Peace was never an option

I disagree. If nothing else, if the Germans had not had to devote forces to Africa and Italy to fight US supplied Allied forces, and if they had not been getting bombed into the ground by the RAF and USAAF day and night, they might have had the materiel and troops to finish off Leningrad and make another push on Moscow. They could have decisively ended the war in the east with those symbolic victories and negotiated a peace without having to drive all the way across the USSR.

>>732252770
Yes, history is full of lies and misinterpretations because of nationalist ideologies and entertainment industries, it's the same thing with the american old west.
The idea that in a conservative puritan society where everyone has guns, one outlaw can take a whole city dueling with a sheriff without anyone intervening, and then go to a saloon full of whores located in the middle of the city is comical of so surreal.

>>732252770
i watched victory day preade putler said how the ussa won the war 32 million russian died at the hands of the nazis only the thing is half of those were murder by the soviat union and eveyone forget that the ussa had contrationcamps until the 80s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwKPFT-RioU

Poland did many things in WW2

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>>732252770
For every one (1) American soldier who died in the European Theater, 80 Soviets died in his place. If you were to have a moment of silence for every Soviet who died during WWII, you'd be quiet for over 50 years. The Soviets gave more in that regard, holding their ground at Stalingrad for 58 days before pushing the Nazis out.

My history teacher in hs was alright, taught us about WW2 from different point of views and told us how our American education system is fucked

>>732252770
If only the Germans had taken the British at Dunkirk...

Or had waited several years to perfect their jet fighters, ballistic missiles and nukes...

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no

>>732256172
>Poland did many things in WW2
Like what?
Surrendering in a few days?
Or helping the Nazis on exterminating the jews?

>>732256339
Uncle Joe wasn't much of a strategist. Even Zhukov and the other Soviet generals seemed to have the general opinion that any problem can be solved by throwing enough manpower at it.

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When you take as many casualties as the reds did compared to your enemy. That's not winning nor victory. Its scraping by.

Pic not related

>>732252770
No we are taught properly. Stayed out of the war and mainly profited off of manufacturing until Japan bombed us then we fucked them up and were instrumental in the final push against the axis.

>>732252770
Do you think the Russian army would have survived without Lend/Lease? Checkmate.

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>>732256736
He wasn't perfect (don't think anyone would say he was), but I still have respect for him. My country likes to take the credit for showing up at the last minute far too much.

>>732252770
Yes

>>732256339
Stalin killed millions of Russians, too. And thousands of Poles. And invaded and split Poland in a partnership with Adolf Fucking Hitler.
And other Russians paid for that with their lives.

>>732256935
Stalin was a monster. If you hate Hitler, then you should also hate Stalin.

Just like Trump, couldn't have done it without the Russians.

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>>732253387
>"Uhm, does anyone want a cig?"

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>>732252770
After the allies won they had to convince the world that "the good guys" won.

>>732256594
>American history consists only of imperialism, genocide, and oppression
>Cuba is "free" and "strong"
>NVA were "good guys

u wot m8? That the US shouldn't have attempted the Bay of Pigs or been anywhere NEAR Vietnam will get no arguments from me. But are you REALLY this fucking stupid?

>>732256594
It couldn't be more obvious that an asshurt limey made that image kek.

Our role is definitely exaggerated, but not to this extent. Though a lot of people act like this is what they were taught because they're nationalist asshats

>>732253834
Landing in the normandy only happend to prevent that Stalin conquer the rest of europe

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>>732257056
Yet the population under Stalin increased by 1.6%.

>>732257099
na, I'm good

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>>732257099
This is war. Everybody is a monster.

>>732256637
No

>>732257429
>Yet the population under Stalin increased by 1.6%.

Even considering the Ukrainian famine, the first two five year plans, and the Second World War?

There's like... 40 million non-natural deaths in there.

It's not an accomplishment, but it is interesting.

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>>732257429
First-year college student with a Che Guevara shirt detected.

Don't you have to get shit on at some ANTIFA rally?

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>>732257246
>

>>732257260
What's a limey?

>>732256935
Die, hippie apologist scum!

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>>732257612
Post-grad who cares more about Thomas Sankara than Che, but alright.

As far as Antifa rallies go, I'd rather be at the shooting range, preparing.

>>732257623
I ain't no hippie

>>732257429
As reported by Pravda?
Even if it was true, so?

>>732257475
Stalin kills millions.

Hitler kills millions.

US firebombs some cities.

Not equivalent.

>>732257730
Why do you embrace communism?

>>732252770
Greece gave some of the most heroic fights. The one month delay they caused to the Axis forces, was the reason winter beat them in Soviet. Learn history faggots.

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>>732257612

>"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact"

I posted this in a Nazi-thread 2 weeks ago, i cutted of the "ifunny" watermark.

Its a shoop, u fucktard, stop lying

>>732257730
>As far as Antifa rallies go, I'd rather be at the shooting range, preparing.
With capitalist bullets and brand-game guns at privately-owned gun ranges.

This is the real-world communist, anons. This is the guy that Occupies Wallstreet while posting about it on facebook with his iphone.

>>732257802
>Its a shoop, u fucktard, stop lying
Evidence?

>>732257621
What the fuck is this image trying to convey?

>>732257429
From 1941 to 1953 the world population grew with 13%.
Stalin was a raving lunatic.

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>>732257761
>So
there's no need to cite 'mass famines/genocides' when the population data directly contradicts them.

>>732257772
Class consciousness.

>>732257820
How exactly do you know where/how I get my weapons and ammo?

>>732257863
Easy. Go on tumblr and find this post. U got a date, go on

>>732254962
They don't teach it even in college. You are taught WHAT to think, not how to think.

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>>732253832
wow, y don't know shit

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>>732257770
but was a hell of a bomb, even nowadays people die of cancer because of it.

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>>732257955
Easy. Go on tumblr and find this post. U got a date, go on
I mean, if it's so easy, why haven't you done it already?
And yes, the burden of evidence is with you. You made the claim.

You also got really ass-damaged about an image on an anonymous imageboard. But we can delve into that defunct part of your psyche later. Who the fuck defends ANTIFA anyway?

>>732252770
That "How it really was" greatly underestimates the European allied forces. It's not like the americans were the only part of the allied forces that did anything.
I mean, the European forces fought Germany for three years all by themselves.

>>732257730
Yes, you are a hippie. You embrace the material goods and freedom your country gives you, but you feel guilty about it because you don't deserve it.

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>>732254962
>critical thinking
>college
Is that why you kids can't source anything without Politifact? 'Cus you think critically?

>>732253834
The war was already decided by 1944 rofl. Normandy didn't "turn" anything.

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>>732257612

>>732257863

They retweeted it for april fools....

>>732257940
That population datum is likely not true and would disprove nothing anyway.

>>732258077
>>732258241
I didnt had to search tho

Thx>>732258241

>>732257820
> Communist bought something
> HA GOT EM

Quit being a faggot retard.

>>732258191
Kept Stalin out of Paris.

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>>732258121
I actually boycott a lot of things in this country. I don't watch the local/evening news, I don't shop at Wal-Mart, I've boycott western restaurants (both sit-in and fast-death 'restaurants'), I don't patronize the meat industry, and I reject things like holidays and sporting events (just to name a few). It's not about things I think I do and don't 'deserve,' rather, it's what I know better than to submit to.

>>732258309
Do some reading. And by 'reading,' I mean other than works like,
>The Black Book of Communism

Time for me to go on a jog. Later.

>>732258241
I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove.
It's the same picture I posted. Just screenscraped from your phone.

Is the fact that they posted it on Aprils Fools concrete proof it's fake?

Do you see ANTIFA celebrating April's Fools? I see them not getting jobs and attacking civilians, personally.

>>732258191
You serious mate?

>>732253832
>Nazi Germany
>favorable peace with Russia
i lol'd

>>732257730
Preparing for what? Lmao. Keep dreaming neo commie.

>>732258423
>both sit-in and fast-death 'restaurants
That is some magical koolaid you be chuggin'.

>>732252770
nazis lost because half of them froze to death trying to get to moscow, the USA reinforced lines in france and italy to confine germany and also fought the campaign to retake the south pacific from asia. American adults only remeber that europe was getting boned by nazis and then japs bit us so we kicked in their teeth and fucked their mouth and also killed a bunch of nazis

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>>732257612
Fifth avenue Antifa is a Troll account

>>732252770
Joke's on you, they don't teach anything related to dinosaurs in America.

>>732257874
Apparently, anon thinks that the entirety of the world's issues revolve around the US. It's actually sort of flattering that they think we're capable of unilaterally shaping the world for almost a century.

>>732258171
Shit hate on liberal classes like sociology, but history in college is pretty kick ass.
Example: taught civil war was about tarrifs that prevented the south from selling raw materials to European powers.
Lincoln was a Shit president.
He suspended haebus corpus,
Put a supreme court justice in jail.
Broke the constitution in many other ways.
Only freed the slaves in the south.
Learned all this in American history in college.

>>732258661
And you know this how?

I'm asking you to provide evidence that isn't in the form of a jaypeg.

>>732258927
What evidence do you accept fagit?

>>732256637
>helping Nazis exterminate jews
Hitler hated the Poles as much as the jews
the Soviets hated the Poles
Everybody hated the Poles
they got royally screwed during WW2

>>732256339
Theres single Finn who killed over 500 ruskies in 90

>>732258927
I found evidence after 20 sec research

http://www.snopes.com/duct-tape-antifa/

>>732252770
>an oversimplification of how it really was

>how Reddit/CoD:WoW thinks it was

Commies will try to spin their evil in any positive way but the Soviet Union had no redeeming qualities.

>>732258423
Didn't have to look past the first line
>100 million indigenous Americans
>died because of capitalism
>not disease, which was inevitable when literally any Eurasian stepped foot on the American continents
So if Europeans waited for communist governments to form, and a communist expedition to the Americas caused the death of 95% of the population through disease, would you add those deaths to the communist deathtoll? I didn't thinks so...

>>732259246
The Finns were awesome. They were like snow ninjas. To bad they didn't have the numbers to win any war.

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>>732257612
http://www.snopes.com/duct-tape-antifa/

>>732258423
Cool, now diminishes of that value all the people who have been saved by the technological development and by the progress of the medicine, agriculture, public safety... Which are intrinsic to the capitalist system and let's see who is winning.

>>732258423
Nitpicking and falsifying data over a period of 500 years, all the while, it takes only two communist rulers 50 years to nearly equal the numbers you are claiming. And if I completely ignore the indigenous Americans claim, as everyone should, those two communists were responsible for more deaths than the rest of your list combined.

>>732256565
This. So much this.

The only reason we, the US, created the atomic bomb, is because we found plutonium rocks filled in barrels in an abandoned research nazi station.

They stored shit tons of the stuff in unprotected places. Pure stupidity on the Germans part, for such a potentially valuable weapon.

Maybe they didn't see the value? I've always been curious since I've found out how we actually discovered the use of plutonium etc.

All from a bunch of rocks left behind in barrels. It's funny how Einstein and others are today credited with the pure invention of the atomic bomb, when it was all stolen from abandoned German stations.

>>732252770
No it was the ally's. Russia was initially with Germany until Germany turned on them. Then Germany kicked Russia's ass until the Siberian winter fucked up the Germans along with Russia's scorched earth retreat. The US was a pivotal point at Hitler did not want. He had told Japan not to involve the US because he was not ready for it. Japan ignored him and did anyway. The US was wanting a way into the war and this gave an opening. Germany was about to bend the Queen over and ass rape her with bombs dropping in London and Churchill about to suck as much dick as he could to get the US in the war. But all in all it was a joint effort. Like Isoroku Yamamoto said. "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve".

>>732257429

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor?wprov=sfla1

fuck off kremlin imperialists

>>732257796
Idk why I lold so hard at this

Aww poor Greece. You did! You changed the tides of war, yes! You did!

>>732258191

Eurofag history major here
You trolling or just dumb?

>>732257796

>greece was more than a speedbump on the road to conquering russia

yeah sure you were bud. at least when the americans are nationalistic they have a tiny bit of reason behind it

>>732252770
No, the Soviets were starving. They had plenty of lend lease from the US the entire war while Germans continued to dive bomb all the way to Berlin

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>>732260875
>plutonium rocks

Like this one, right?

>>732261096
So, you believe if Japan never attacked the US, Germany would have prevailed?

I love all the shit talk about how America did nothing for ww2, yet the war ended within a year of US joining.

>>732261397
He's right though.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Greece_during_World_War_II

>>732252770
The sentiment is correct, but I'm not sure there were THAT many commies.

They did do the bulk of the fighting in Europe, as Eastern Europe was Hitler's main objective.

However, communism being a shitty economic system, they lacked the prosperity required for Blockbuster films to glorify their battles.

Also getting curbstomped by Finland is a little embarrassing.

>>732254523
Fuck yeah capitalism!

>>732261853
>December 7, 1943
>war is kill

>>732262278
(42)

>>732257621
I mean... ur not wrong.

>>732252770
Amerifag here... US public school are fucking shit. No one ever talks about Stalin and how he killed 30 million people. They keep indoctrinating our sheeple to think hitler was the most evil man ever. As ive gotten older i agree wth hitler on mamy points and kinda doubt the holocaust ever happened. US public schools are fucking shit.

>>732262458
Jfc it happened man.

Yeah, Stalin was abhorrent and socialism/communism is garunteed mass starvation and death, and that all gets lost. But fascism is fucking terrible and Hitler was fucking terrible.

>>732252770
The image is correct, the russians were largely responisble for the allies winning the war in europe.

People can say that the lend lease to the commies was what kept them alive, but in reality the equipment the USA gave the russians was pretty shit. Such as the stuart light tank which was easily knocked out by the german panzers.

All in all, the amerifags and the western powers would not have won war so soon (or at all) if it hadn't been for the ruskies.

>>732262082
There are many Eastern Europeans WW2 epic movies and of course they are the heroes on their movies.
This Yugoslav movie even hired Hollywood actors like Orson Welles

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ILMePV7WBH8

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>>732253832

IF hitter didn't create a whole other front by betraying Russia then the nazis might have been able to focus more resources on combatting them after taking most of the rest of Europe.

If the japs didn't get the US Involved and hitler had been smarter about Russia the world would be a different place I'm sure.

>TLDR: no peace would have been maintained between them in the long run.

>>732261773
No, that's probably enriched plutonium or uranium.

I misspoke. They first discovered uranium rocks. The raw materials for nuclear bombs in Germany in barrels.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsos_Mission

Here is where US/allied troops found an actual reactor or something similar, leading to the creation of the atomic bomb and ultimately crediting US with discovering Uranium. Which we did not. We found it being used in Germany.

Then later produced plutonium, because it's cheaper. I think one bomb on Japan, big boy, may have been uranium filled and little boy was plutonium.

Your image is a direct result from discovering unused barrels of highly concentrated uranium rocks in an abandoned German outpost. Then later found the one in my link.

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>>732254496
And in Russian schools it's probably slanted their way, and I'm sure English history teachers glorify their importance even more than what they contributed.

If you think any history sources are completely accurate or unbiased then you are a dolt.

>>732262458
Well of curse not. Jews were responsible for communist Russia. Why would we talk shit about anything jew related?

You can go as far to say, without being factually wrong, nazi Germany was a direct result of Jews killing people in Russia by the hundreds of thousands, accompanied by stalins millions.

Why do you think Germans HATED Jews so much? Everyone seems to think they just didn't like them for no reason. No, orthodox Jews in high standing were killing Russians by the hundreds of thousands. Then turned towards Germany and tried to enforce their same politics and commerce on them.

>>732252770
nope, still Americentric

>>732253287
This is fucking bullshit. Even as a high school student you can take information such as when the U.S entered the war and the country's total casualties and see that we didn't do most of the fighting. Your autistic mind just wanted to pretend the U.S did it all when that was never taught. We just focused on the battles the U.S was involved in, which fooled your shitty mind into believing that.

>>732260875
>The only reason we, the US, created the atomic bomb, is because we found plutonium rocks filled in barrels in an abandoned research nazi station.
The US nuclear weapons program was started at the urging of Leo Szilard, in a letter sent to the president and signed by Einstein. The US program started well before the US was at war, and it was even reorganized into the Manhattan Project before any US operations on the European continent.

Let's look at the dates:

Beginning of nuclear weapon program:
>US, 1939
>Nazis, 1939

First chain reaction achieved:
>US, 1942
>Nazis, possibly in 1945

First nuclear bomb achieved:
>US, 1945
>Nazis, never

The Nazis scrapped the program within months, then restarted again. It was disorganized, split up into nine institutes, and basically ignored because it was deemed unlikely to have any effect on the course of the war. The US had a slow start, but did what was necessary: gathered scientists (rather than run them off or conscript them), gave unconditional government support, and gave unlimited manpower and resources.

>>732263843
The Manhattan project didn't produce an atomic bomb until AFTER they found German engineered nuclear reactors and left over uranium enriched rocks and materials.

Sure, they heard about nuclear capabilities and got scared shit less and created a program in the wake of that fear. Einstein was, after all, German.

Maybe he knew of the Germans capabilities and wrote a letter to the US? I mean obviously that must have happened? Neither side, as far as we know, had created an actual bomb until Nagasaki.

So, you're not proving me wrong here. You're just bringing up the Manhattan project which was also a direct result of fear of German nuclear power.

Can you agree ultimately Germany discovered the use of nuclear capability. If it weren't for Germany, it's possible big and little boy wouldn't have been created when they were?

>>732263202
>Here is where US/allied troops found an actual reactor or something similar, leading to the creation of the atomic bomb and ultimately crediting US with discovering Uranium. Which we did not. We found it being used in Germany.
Look at your article: Alsos Mission, late 1943
Here's a timeline of uranium use in the US:
>1940, four major deposits found in Colorado
>1941, uranium hexafluoride for isotope separation
>1942, Mallinckrodt Incorporated produced purified uranium dioxide in bulk
>1942, centrifuge isotope separation
>1942, electromagnetic separation

Do I even need to go on? The US uranium enrichment program was in full swing while the European programs were still in their experimental phases. The US had all the scientists, and had unlimited funding.

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>>732254043
>brink of falling
another wehraboo fag who thinks the germans could've actually mounted a successful naval invasion of the uk
keep dreaming cunt

>>732263551
See this is what im talking about. Im the anon that you responded to. We literally learned Hitler did his shit to create a "perfect" race of blonde hair blue eyed people. Im like didnt this motherfucker have a mirror. Its pathetic how people just accept what they teach cause its in a book.

Americans are brainwashed and have no basic education.

Just look at the last Battlefield game...

They featured the U.S army with black soldiers in World War 1... and they didn't even include the French army in it... at all.

None reacted.

I've heard americans talk about WWI and they were like "America fought really hard to stop Germany and the Austro-Hungarian forces"

Wtf?

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>>732256565
>muh me-262
Because the Germans were the only ones with the good shit right

>>732264542
>German engineered nuclear reactors
The Nazis did not achieve a nuclear reaction until 1945, if they ever really did. The proof is unsubstantial.

>uranium enriched rocks
The Nazis only ever achieved enrichment of tiny amounts of uranium-235, and they did so in the fall of 1945, well after the US achieved enrichment in bulk, with an industrialized process.

>Einstein
Leo Szilard wrote the letter. And Fermi was responsible for creating a reaction. Neither were German

>You're just bringing up the Manhattan project which was also a direct result of fear of German nuclear power.
The US nuclear program was started because of fear, in 1939. But by the time it was reorganized into the Manhattan project, it was geared solely towards deployment in Asia.

>Can you agree ultimately Germany discovered the use of nuclear capability.
No. It was a Hungarian and an Italian who first came up with the idea of nuclear reactions, and the methods of their construction.

>If it weren't for Germany, it's possible big and little boy wouldn't have been created when they were?
The only part that Germany played in the creation of nuclear weapons was this: they forced hundreds of scientists to leave the European continent which ended in a huge concentration of capable and driven scientists in the US, who then funded their research and organized their efforts unconditionally. The Nazis never had a lead over the US in nuclear weapons or power generation, at any point during the war.

amount of wehraboos in this thread is worrying

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>>732256339
hey nice sniper

First off Stalin had a pact with Hitler and when Hitler started taking land so did Stalin. The only reason the Russians took over Berlin is because we allowed them to. Had it not been for America giving them much needed supplies such as, fighter aircraft, transportation vehicles for your troops, food and many other things, then they probably would have lost. The only reason they won was sheer manpower force while Germany was losing their manpower. The battle of the bulge managed to tie up ferocious tanks and men that otherwise would have been used on the Russian front. So yea America played a bigger role than Russia especially on the global scale. Russias role on the Japanese front was very minor compared to America.

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>>732256594
god damn so much is wrong lol

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>>732252770
>i've heard
you 12?
There are plenty of movies and documentation on this. No, your picture is retarded. Obviously the USA had a very large presence. Yes, we are aware of Russia's presence dumb fuck. Yes, we are aware that Russia played a substantial role. They were a part of the allied forces.

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>>732256339
>Soviets are dumb fucks that cant stay alive and are bad at war, you should care about them
ok

>>732252770
Yes, literally everyone knows that Russia tore ass through the Germans. Because Slavaboo autists like you never shut the fuck up about it.

I think it's somewhere in between. Actually right after the war most people believed that the Soviet Union was the major victor in WWII. It was only after years past, and people analyzed the war in depth that they gave the US more emphasis than the SU.

And generally speaking, the further you get away from a particular event like that the more holistically accurate view you can get of it.

>>732265251
basically ?
>yes
end of discussion
get over it kid germany was fucking strong but hitler was too greedy

>>732266102
>>732256339
The Soviets were allied with Hitler and took large amounts of land before being attacked. The mass amount of rape is unforgivable even though there were cases on the western front.

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>>732266730
cough Battle of Britain cough

>>732265790
Simo ist best

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>>732266730
read it and weep wehraboo

>>732265790
Häyha the old Bastard

Protecting the world from communism
RIP

>>732258191
>Nazi's could have literally kept fighting by just moving to and becoming the new France.

Russians wouldn't have done shit if all those western front troops came and fought back for Berlin.

>>732253078
This
God damn burgers and their unjustified superiority complex.