Imagine: > be animator > years of school > student

thats just how it goes my friend...its hard to predict too..because you can go in when the market seems promising but the minute you come out , the market is flooded and you're fucked.

>>732240999
Have you every seen how much money is in anything porn related? Porn game makers get thousands of dolalrs thorugh patreon each month. Comics and animations make lots of money aswell.

>>732241240
> lots of money in anything porn related

Maybe for the owners of the company.
As someone just rendering shit for hourly pay I doubt it. Name a source of someone rendering rule 34 who's making bank please.

>>732240999
get into animated CP in VR

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>>732241549
Do tell us how Anon..

>>732241542
studiofow?

This make me feel guilty

>>732240999
That's kind of what happened to me but with film. Now I'm stuck saying I've worked for the porn industry, or I have to somehow lie about a 6 year gap in my work history. Then i don't get hired. Still working in the porn industry. >:(

>>732242093
I thought most people behind the cameras started out in porn.

huh since when is 6 times a day something noteworthy?

>>732240999
>Where you trained in a field and it turned out to be a useless degree.
No, because I studied mechanical engineering

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>>732240999
Op obviously lives in Hollywood CA, and is not some fucking halfwit who expects to receive solid media work living in montana, oregon or SC.

Right OP? You aren't just being a whiny bitch becauser your fucking stupid. yes?

>>732240999
Its sad really. Look at all the high quality furry porn. Such a waste of artistic talent

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>>732242093
Are you this guy?
Or had something similar happen?

>>732240999
Hey buddy, I'm in CG too. Look at doing technical direction on character rigs. Essential a glorified bugfixer but you will get hired. Everyone and their mom wants to animate characters but you're not like them are you??

>>732240999
like what the fuck were you thinking going into an art / animation field? i'm sure someone, somewhere along the line was like "dude go stem" or something, right? now you're mad that edgy Full Sail(tm) for profit art school owns your ass?
idiot.

>>732240999
Duh networking is fucking everything. It's not the world's fault he's a socially autistic beta cuck

>>732240999
Hey OP, I'm an author, looking at going into app/game creation. How would you feel about character design for mobile games? This is not a solution to your problem, but i've been looking for an artist for a while. So it's a solution to my problem.

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>>732242214
>>732242249
>>732242405
>>732242408
>>732242535
Whatever happened to "follow your dreams?"
I suppose a career of some sort is better than no career.
Or I could go with >>732241549
I bet that actually does pay.
No fucking way it could go on a resume though. Also all the sideways glances like "how does that fucker ensure accurate modeling?"

>>732243229
so i'm assuming you didn't make that one?

>>732243229
>Whatever happened to "follow your dreams?"
That's for the independently wealthy - the rest of us have to earn a living. Luckily I quite enjoy some of what I do, but enjoy spending the money they pay me even more.

>>732243229
>follow your dreams?
Died during the oil crisis in 70's.
Boomers pretty much just needed a pulse to find work as a huge percentage of able bodied men died in the decades before.

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>>732240999
I spent $40,000 on art school and i cant even draw hentai properly

>>732243550
>art school
There's your problem, should have gotten a part time job and spent lots of time actually drawing instead.

>>732243550
in hindsight you could have just bought some paper and a pen.

>>732243661
Agreed, I should have done more of that. Funny thing is that I actually improved big time when I left

>>732240999
>Be a nurse
>Realize that most of the people you treat don't deserve the treatment they get.
>Get paid almost as much a cleaning lady.

>>732243341
No comment. But I do lurk /b/ of all places.
>>732243367
I suppose I could earn money doing what I dislike, and spend it on side projects.
>>732243420
That's a much older era than I'm from.
>>732243071
Details?

Currently taking useless comp sci degree.

Lectures don't teach shit, no one in industry gives a fuck about degrees just want to see your work and know if you can spout Agile horsecrap at them.

If you want a job in programming don't get a degree just make something, can be anything just make it well and then you can just show employers you git hub repo.

>>732240999
Maybe you need to make friends. Build a portfolio. Work for free/ cheap at first. Apply for internships etc.

>>732243986
You could move.
They're screaming for RN's in my city.
Pay starts at $35/hr plus bonuses.

>>732243995
>>732243071
not much happening as of yet, Treat it as a hobby until it makes more money than your job. i mean. if you had a job. I can do the coding, the game structure, the storyline, i'm just shit at art. I need someone for the visuals. was thinking an mmo type for my first project, so it probably wouldn't be very much work on your end.

Sounds like someone went to Full Sail and got ripped off. There isnt enough jobs to support all these kids. Then you are in 80-100k in debt so you end up working for Full Sail as an instructor. A vicious cycle

Those are pretty easy to so in source film maker

>>732240999
Brand yourself. Get a name, get popular, start a patreon.
Then you can say, I'm a freelancing animator, I make xx- a month.

>>732243986
>Get paid almost as much as a cleaning lady
In what country/ type of facility?
That's shit pay for a nurse anon

>>732243986
>Get paid almost as much a cleaning lady.
The fuck you from? Cuba?

>>732244793
Finland. Everybody likes to say how respectable it is being a nurse but nobody gives a shit in reality especially when the talk is about money.

>>732243995
Well the follow your dreams advice has not been true since then.

>>732244041
Here they pretty much ask for a masters degree and 10 years of experience for entry level jobs.
Oh and Agile bullshittery too.
They pretty much want you to come from the future.

PETER
Our high school guidance counselor used to ask us what you would do if
we had a million dollars and didn't have to work. And invariably,
whatever we would say, that was supposed to be our careers. If you
wanted to build cars, then you're supposed to be an auto mechanic.

SAMIR
So what did you say?

PETER
I never had an answer. I guess that's why I'm working at Initech.

MICHAEL
No, you're working at Initech because that question is bullshit to
begin with.
(The printer is not working)
If that quiz worked, there would be no janitors, because no one would
clean shit up if they had a million dollars.

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>>732240999
checked

>be neckbeard in basement kid
>learned programming shit
>sacrifice my free time to educate myself and maybe make a game or something one day
>thought I will be among like kinded autists
>get a job beeing a trainee backend web developer
>feeling super lucky
fast forward a few years
>hipsters everywhere
>devs are now supposed to be social
>internet feminists happened
>politician force programming on the school education so in a decade everyone is a programmer
>mfw everyone can make games now and the market is already overflowing
>mfw I wasted my free time reading hours of IT stuff related papers and shit
>tfw in 2 decades AI's will do all programming
also my employer had me move to a new position where I mainteance 20yo applications that barely involves programming

>>732245201
Norway here and a nurse makes at least 25% more than the cleaning lady.

>>732245562
so i have heard. And a shit ton more than in Finland

>>732245530
>2 decades AI's will do all programming
Only two? I was hoping I would be dead by that point because once they program a program that can program programs, it will be skynet time.

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>>732243229
C'mon man. That's not the physics of teen boobs! Those titties jiggle like she's at least 33!

>>732241542
breeding seasons made like 25k (patreon) on its peak which was split among 2+2 people (2 project owners + 2 paid freelancer)
2D porn game though

>>732245530
>>tfw in 2 decades AI's will do all programming

programming is just telling a computer what to do.
If AIs are doing all of that, we've got bigger problems.

>>732245681
Then move here, nurses are in demand.

>>732243229
Lower spine and boob animation really lets down that walk cycle.

If you're good, SFM CP or bestiality is the way to go, but it takes months to build up a following. Pervs don't give a fuck who you're friends with.

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>>732246095
How long did it take to make though?
If the Hours vs. Pay work out to minimum wage I may as well work in fast food slinging fries.
>>732245879
How am I supposed to know?
Motion capture kids at a nude beach?
That's not creepy at all.
>>732245530
Computers conceptualizing and rendering programs.
May as well hang myself now with a USB 2.0

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too early to say, but i'm already expecting my graphic design degree to be a meme.

just graduated a month ago and applying for jobs is quite tricky. nothing but online applications and word of mouth down here in australia.

i hope i can run into some other weebs who want to build a game or something. just to pass the time of crippling depression from working part time at supermarkets.

>>732247023
> Build up a following

I imagine the inbox for a creator has some fuuuucked uuuup requests.

>>732245688
Well people already forecasted that like 20 years ago. But AI actually makes progress now and with the first self driving cars expected in the mid 20s and other technological quantum leaps more or less are already happening... Yes, its at least very likely that a huge portion of people now start getting into programming now will be jobless in 2 decades.
Not necessarily because AI can do all the programming but because better, more intelligent tools that can extend their functionality to some degree because AI learning.

Some example, MIT just held a conteest months ago for programs that automatically detects bugs in applications. There are twitterbots that can do some advanced level photo shopping. Some university students created an algorithm which could recognize a programmer by his code (even by the compilation in some cases). Thats only the tip of the iceberg

>>732247060
there is no single answer (check out their dev blog or patreon)
One of them did almost no work at all (which is why the project got cancelled)
others probably worked 50 hours+, though they also watched movies while working or did other shit so its not easy to name a specific number.

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>>732247962
Sounds Familiar

>>732243986
You must be a CNA or maybe LPN then

go RN and make the money

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I'm about to start a 3 year course and I can choose between 3d Prod. and VFX or Game Graphics Production. Which one is the least useless guys?

>>732241542
fek and his r2ck game.

Solo making a six figure bank each year

>>732243661
Wisdom here, guys. Don't miss it.

>>732247962
>automatically detects bugs in applications. There are twitterbots that can do some advanced level photo shopping. Some university students created an algorithm which could recognize a programmer by his code (even by the compilation in some cases).

There is a HUGE gap between that and creating novel solutions though.

>>732248421
3D Production.
Everyone who makes actual products (from buildings to toasters) uses them now.

>>732247962
>>732248600

I work in AI R&D and so many people have no clue what the shit they are talking about. There's a huge difference between these small-time (albeit cool) projects and real, operationalized, stable AI.

We've a long way to go and developers aren't going away anytime soon. We're in an AI hype-cycle (again) and soon people will remember it's not the answer to all of our problems and promptly shut up about it again.

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>>732249133
But I want my judgement day now!

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CG "Art" these days.
There's a school for this shit downtown in my city and they display student projects in the windows.
It's always interesting walking past.
Not sure how many of them are employed afterwards though.

How hard is programming the pic related to match the mechanisms motion to the image?

>>732249133
That is what I thought when the other anon gave a time frame of two decades.
We are teaching the fuck out of google cars with these captchas though.

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Should make mods with established fan bases. Sell em on Steam.

>>732240999
Went to Uni to study Interactive Media Production -- back when social media was in early stages, websites didn't have properly functioning mobile versions, etc.

Fast forward.

It ended up being heavily pushed towards games development, which I did not give a fuck about - I wanted to build websites and create content.

Once I got to the final year and had lost all interest, companies were popping up all over the place with website builders - as shit as they are, people choose the cheap as fuck custom template.

Now I'm lost.

>>732250037
I miss the old recaptacha days when /b/ trolled them by feeding NIGGER into the semi-supervised label.

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>>732250122
Ouch.

>>732250283
Same, at least I could punish them for making me do their work for free.

Why hasn't anyone made a 4chan game?
That shit would be outrageous.

>>732250122
Don't feel bad, think of everyone that is a driver (one of the biggest pools of employment) when they get the autonomous car right.

>>732250590
Unteralterbach or something is probably the closest, made by krautchan, I think.

>>732249133
I exaggerated in my first post, but the current trend is, I guarantee you that, there will be more people with programming skills in 20 years than the market requires.

>>732250710
> former taxi drivers deploying EMP's
> former truckers with high powered electromagnets
> former bus drivers with hacking skills

It'll be interesting.

>>732250122
lol. Welcome to the world, anon.
35 years ago, I study at a tech school, follow up with college, come out with a degree in electronics tech. Able to fix almost anything at the board level.
mfw everybody wants to hire minimum wage uneducated monkeys to pull the board and slap a new one in. Electronic repair goes to shit, everything becomes a throwaway.
Been driving a semi for the last 15 years.

>>732250710
I don't feel bad, I loved the experience.

I have a beach front apartment, great gf, motorcycle.

>news in yesterday - landlord wants to live in the apartment for summer so give me a 2 month eviction notice.

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>tfw I'm studying Chemistry

>>732251332
I'm also a motorcycle courier now hahaha. I just roll with what happens, I don't resent anything.

>>732250710
I am now a driver
Won't be as bad as it sounds. Yeah, taxi drivers are fucked.
But semi drivers are still needed. Someone has to make sure the freight is properly loaded and balanced and secured. Someone has to sign for the freight, someone has to inspect the vehicle and make repairs/get repairs done as well as regular maintenance. Someone has to deal with the regulations and deal with DoT inspectors. And finally, someone has to be there to catch hell when things go south.

Truck drivers have a lot of work aside from just driving.

But taxi drivers are fucked.

>>732251246
In 20 years there will be waaaaaaay more people with applicable skills than there are jobs in anything at all.
Shit, it is already like that.

>>732251653
>Someone has to make sure the freight is properly loaded and balanced and secured.
Have you seen automated warehouses?
Just a few more steps and the whole thing can be made human free.

>>732251403
Bet you're just some ginger crip with an ugly wife & horse-face kids. DJ'ing at the local church maybe?

>>732251818
Yes I have. And I'm not impressed. A lot of them have no idea what the truck weighs so they just make guesses.

Guess what happens when they're wrong? That means the truck sits out there in the middle of nowhere until they can get someone out there to rebalance the load. That could take hours or days. Meanwhile, the load is late.... hope it wasn't fruit, or frozen....

Automated warehousing manages nothing after it leaves the warehouse.

>>732252196
Knowing the weight of a truck is as simple as having an RFID chip in the truck to tell the warehouse docking system what it needs to know.
It is way easier to do than you think, the automated driving is a thousand times more complicated and if they can do that, they can do the loading.

>>732251246
i wouldn't count on it.
programming is not just useful for software engineers.
more and more industries require it nowadays.

>>732243229
turbokeks on dem titty animation

virgin cucks never seen tits before

>>732250122
I'm so glad I saw this coming and switched out of IT a couple years ago before entering the work force

but now I have no fucking idea what to do, I guess engineering is an option.

>>732244257
>MMO type for my first project
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

MMO are the exclusive grounds of experienced developers. it a big investment, a lot of work, and a whole slew of issues that a scrub can't easily solve.

Start with unity or flash and make small games and steadily build up experience.

"go big or go home" is what you tell people you want to go home broke and sad.

>>732251818
In fact, I remember a beer brewery with an automated warehouse. They were telling drivers to go in with their tanks as empty as they could. Once there, the truck was weighed and that determined how much beer they could load.
But wait a minute. Trucks who went in with empty tanks got loaded to the max, then could not fuel up without being overweight. Trucks had to be unloaded and reloaded by hand and that would take all day. The brewery would call the companies and complain, the companies would look at the rules and see their drivers did what they were told.
Every single day, it all turned into a giant cluster fuck because the brewery wanted to load the maximum beer per truck.

After my first time there, I made a note in my book to go in only with full tanks. They might complain, but at least I would never be overweight.

>>732251871
Just a ginger, none of the other

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>>732243229
Why is her bellybutton shake itself in a "no" motion?

>>732252998
Sounds more like the brewery were being idiots than the system not working properly.

What is Tetraethyl dithiopyrophosphate?

>>732252996
>or flash
Please don't use flash ever.

>>732252513
And how is that rfid chip suppose to know how much fuel the truck has
1 gal weighs 8lbs. +/-200 gal of fuel changes the weight by 1600 lbs.
Many trailers are different weights - even trailers of the same make and model. And then there's the 40gal of fuel in a reefer.
Plus a reefer can weight up to 2400 lbs, but it can also carry dry bulk. And the weight is all in the nose, so you can't load it like a dry box.

The real world is not like your database, son. There's variations and variations of variations you never even thought about.

>>732253220
Tetraethyl dithiopyrophosphate (also known as TEDP[2] or Sulfotepp[3]) is a highly toxic chemical compound with the chemical formula C8H20O5P2S2.[4][5] The chemical is a mobile oil that is pale yellow-colored and smells like garlic.[2][5] It is primarily used as an insecticide, but does not damage plants significantly.

>>732253462
Yo thanks

>>732253515
np

>>732253402
It would give the weight with a full tank, or you could just have additional weight sensors in the ground.
You think people are smart enough to land on an asteroid, but too stupid to automate truck driving like it is rocket surgery?
Listen, I know you don't want this to be true, but when the automated car comes, your days as a truck driver are toast.

>>732240999
Checked

>>732251403
>Studying chemistry
>Astronaut

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>>732254423
>>732251403
>tfw I'm studying Physics

>>732243229
There is a point of entry to becoming a character animator. It's called get a job at a fucking studio. Do anything to get in there and then try to become the studio rockstar you twat.
If you had what it took to break into the industry as a character animator with talent and hard work you wouldn't sink to whining on /b/ because you would be too busy trying to make it with your own strenght of will.

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>>732254644
>>732251403
>tfw i'm studying elements of life

>>732254644
GG, one of the hardest subjects and it pays shit compared to the difficulty.
At least you can use what you learn to build stock trading bots.

>>732240999
This me. Film Degree. Useless. Can't find work. Unless you are rich and can make your own movies you're out of luck basically.

>>732254644
You failed hard then. One of the hardest disciplines and job options/pay are total shit.

>>732250590
katawa shoujo

>>732252996
i'm not a scrub programmer. i'm not worried.

>>732256330
>One of the hardest disciplines
good. if i didn't want to be challenged, i wouldn't be here.
>pay are total shit
idrc. if all i cared about was money i'd waste my life doing something else.

>job options are total shit.
source?
i've heard a physics phd can get you a lot of places.

at least i don't have to sell my soul.

>>732245530
More like centuries anon. Market is full of shit programming dweeb-bros. If you have major C++ chops and can crush some algorithms most gaming companies will take you on. Don't give up. Have you got any cool ideas or stuff on github?

>>732256553
>mmo type for my first project
>I need someone for the visuals
>Treat it as a hobby
You should be worried. Unless you're already expecting or you're okay with the outcome of the project being absolutely nothing except the potential experience garnered from the attempt.

>>732249133
This. I studied AI in college. The biggest application will be in medicine and shit like that. Something where you have a ton of data and can be hard to navigate through. People don't give out how they have to fill out Excel pages by hand any more? It will be like that. Machines have very little ingenuity outside there datasets.

>>732250122
Putting a website together is magnitudes easier than coding a game. Should be easy for you to transition back to javascript. Get a plural-sight subscription or go on youtube. Ton's of ways to learn.

>>732251332
You should go back. Microcontrollers are coming back in vogue and people need to learn about Arduinos and Raspberry Pi's. All the hype is about AI, Machine learning and the Internet of Things (which no one really understands)

>>732251403
Go to Holland and make some bitching ecstasy or LSD. We need your skills.

>>732240999
studying fine art i am completely FUCKED why did i even take this fucking course

>>732242214
I'm studying ME right now. What's your job/ salary?

>>732255842
that's always plan B.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfxfnokQuLM