what is this anti-capitalism bullshit coming from the left? is

>>731896012
Virtue signalling.

>>731896012
Could it be people are getting pissed that they're becoming poorer and poorer while everything becomes more expensive and their CEO's are getting pay rises while everyone else's wage stagnates and the whole time the profit margins of these companies are skyrocketing?

>>731897171
lol wtf
all those numbers are much less than it used to be, and going down, because of capitalism

>>731897413
so its ok to deprive 2+ Billion people of a decent life because people in the US are pissy about CEO pay?

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>>731896012

> capitalism is the greatest force for human development ever devised

Go McFuckyourself.

>>731897171
just for the odd chance you are not trolling
https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty/#extreme-poverty-in-a-historical-perspective

>>731897171
Sems more like Darwin culling the weak and stupid. Besides, out of 6 BILLION people, 20 million isn't really that much.
FFS, it's 2017 - who the fuck is still befuddled by clean drinking water??

Stop interfering with nature's culling of morons and imbeciles.
You're welcome.

>>731897471
The only people that would claim they're being deprived of anything would be these multi millionaires, and the only reason they would even be claiming that is because they have never had to contribute their fair share before.

Automation. Capitalism has been great so far, but how the fuck will it work when 90% of USA is unemployed?

>>731897430
>and going down, because of capitalism
>because of capitalism
>capitalism

That's a weird way to spell scientific advancement...

>>731897171
The difference between the 2 is that the deaths on communism were cause someone in charge of guaranteeing wealth for everyone arbitrary decided to kill someone of their own people while in capitalism people die in case of lack of unification and rules: in case of lack of a working state.

I don't know where you live but I have a big house, everyday electricity water, gas and basically everything I want given I can afford (and that's not impossible). Also I don't live in the American shithole so add a bit of taxes and here almost free high level education and "free" healthcare.

The only debts I have is cause my mother is an idiot when it comes to money and spent in years legitimately more than we could.

The only thing I'd change today is the bank system. Yes, there can be loans on things but we arrived to the point where everybody has more than he actually produces and that's plain wrong in an economic way. Buy once you can afford things and take loans you can pay in months, not 10 years

>>731897705
Scientific advancement impeded by financial investments at that.

>>731897705
scientific achievement is driven by market forces.
It comes from silicon valley, not north korea

>>731897572
>implying businesses don't die when they can't find employees that want to deal with their bullshit

>>731897777
Quads confirm

>>731896012
>Anybody with a bit of education

You would be surprised, how many people with education actually reject logic.

A women I know got married to a medical doctor. He is highly intelligent when it comes to medical issues, but as soon as he opens his mouth about political ones, you would think that he is a borderline retard, including ridiculus stuff like "it is possible that lizard people exist".

Problem is that she thinks everything he says is correct, because of his phd. Exiled her from all of her old friends, a huge part of her family (including her gay brother) and now she is a loud right wing anti-capitalistic idiot which only shares tinfoil-hat stuff on facebook while dropping child after child.

She has a master in IT.
She is educated.
She is still stupid as fuck.

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>>731896012

>>731897413
>people are getting pissed that they're becoming poorer and poorer
>econfreedom.poverty.png
>being this serious

>>731897815
Who the fuck doesn't believe in aliens at this point? Retards

>>731897805
When every corporation is free to do the same bullshit it doesn't matter how many people quit / they fire because there will still be other people desperate to avoid homelessness an starving to death so they'll agree to work for them.

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>>731897943
>they're becoming poorer and poorer
cool story

>>731897777
>impeded

>>731898028
Exactly. Anon is being retarded.

>>731897815
>right wing anti-capitalistic idiot
Ok, that is actually retarded

>>731898034
>Scientists focus on grants that will generate them wealth instead of what will actually benefit mankind
>Studies being interfered with by lobby groups with vested interests.

Grats guys, just have more than 2 dollars per day and you're considered not in poverty anymore and that's proof that the free market works :))))))))))))))))

>>731897956

There is a difference between believing in aliens and believing that immortal lizard people rule the world and created humans just to have enough labor force for their excessive lifestyle.

Yes, he once told me that he cannot rule this out.
Not an exaggeration.
This is a medical doctor.

>>731898174
nice logic,
so the fact that it went from 90% of population to 10% making more than $2 is irrelevant.
we need che guevarra to come fix this

>>731897994
Meanwhile, corporations can't afford to lose employees to competitors who offer better working conditions. Pull the bullshit you're describing and they'd eventually go out of peoples because they don't have enough employees to make them run smoothly enough to be rich.

>>731898174
so it's a bad thing less people have less than 2 dollars per day?

>>731896012
my electricity usage is $2.00 per day

>>731898172
>Scientists focus on grants that will generate them wealth instead of what will actually benefit mankind
All that says is that government priorities are out of whack.

>>731898172
>Studies being interfered with by lobby groups with vested interests.
>interfered
>implying that's worth the money
kek

>>731898254
No, he's saying as long as you have two dollars a day you're not actually poor. Capitalism works!

>>731898210
Damn that is pretty autistic. Its possible I guess but still to openly believe that is pretty sad

>>731897941
>implying cronyism is capitalism

>>731898337
literally where

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>>731897171
You make a powerful argument. I'm convinced to turn commie.

OP are you really actually surprised that a bunch of entitled dumbshits don't understand how economies work?

>>731898147

More common than you think, especially in europe the right-wingers try to adapt to left-wing-toppics, to be more appealing.

>>731898337
>being this serious

You're not helping anyone by deliberately misunderstanding statistics like that.

>>731896012
They can't be bothered to learn about economics its too confusing for them. Left wingers are simply people who don't/can't understand economics. I think economic and social freedom go hand in hand, if you're against one your acting against the other. Without realising it the leftys want less freedom. Its really simple but try explaining that to them.

>>731897471
It's IMPOSSIBLE ti give every 3rd world mong a middle class American lifestyle. The planet couldn't possible support it, and many wouldn't want the high stress, high cost lifestyle.
Stupid fucking college kids don't know shit about how the real world works.

>>731897678
>rich will get infinitely richer
>everyone else gets living fund
Doesn't sound too bad to me anon

>>731898461
This.

>>731897941
They die because they make poor life choices and refuse to take responsibility for living a healthy lifestyle.

(see also : black people)

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>>731898461
I'm talking about lifting millions out of absolute poverty, who da fuck said anything about american lifestyle? How is that any relevant to anything?
I

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>>731898601
dat chart
I expect the exact opposite shape as the US as the che-loving millenials take over.

oh well I can always move to china

>>731898601
Then what sort of "lifestyle" do you emviosin for these poor downtrodden masses you're trying to save?
will they have cars??
will they have air conditioning and 48 inch TV's and cable??
You sound like an idiot that's never lived on their own or even traveled outside the city you were born in.

>>731898743
That would probably be the best decision in your life

>>731898772
whatever lifestyle that literally 400 million chinese who escaped hunger since 1985 are having right now.

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>>731898601
meanwhile at berkeley

>>731896012
>capitalism is the greatest force for avarice ever devised
FTFY

>>731898876
You seem a little short on details there sport.
Proving, you're an idiot and don't know jack shit.

>>731899279
oh sorry, I thought this was all common knowledge
https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2013/04/18/heres-how-much-poverty-has-declined-in-china/

>>731899162
capitalism is indeed driven by avarice, and as a result we are all much better off.
The world is complicated like that.

see
>>731898028

Name one other thing that's overall good for every single person.

>>731899445
answer the question in your own words you simpleton...oh wait, it's obvious you can't.
fucking retards everywhere.

>>731899445
>trade with the USA increase substantially
>poverty in China decreases substantially
how is this an argument against capitalism?

>>731899660
I don't even know what the question is.
You are saying that what already actually happened in china over the last 20 years is somehow impossible. Its nonsensical.

>>731896012
>implying US didn't bail out every major bank and real-estate company in 2008 instead of the capitalist way of letting them go bankrupt because of poor decisions
Capitalism is dead you fucking moron, it has evolved into cronyism and oligarchy several decades ago.

>>731899762
huh? follow the thread, I posted that as evidence that capitalism is good

>>731899826
>every major bank goes bankrupt
>people have nowhere to go for banking
>the economy gets raped
>the country dies
>???
>profit

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>>731896012
>Anybody with a bit of education knows that capitalism is the greatest force for human development ever devised
KOOL-AID OVERDOSE

>>731899893
oh ok

>>731899826
what is the logic here?
Yes I agree, so lets work on making it more free, and less tried to government, not go all Castro and shit like the left is doing

>>731896012
i tend to look at capitalism just like all other forms of economic paradigm. as a tool to get an end point; to fulfill a goal. it is true in a very large way how effective it has been at stimulating the growth of humanity. but lets face it with the growth of automation in every aspect of the market how usefull will it continue to be? oh sure it would be possible to compensate by creating jobs that would serve a tertiary role at best. the kind of mindless pointless bullshit that serves no purpose. moreover when talking about "creating" jobs this should be considered a strictly governmental endeavor. especially in cases outside of the private sector that don't fill a bureaucratic military or infrastructure role. incentives to create or sustain jobs are merely the other side of the same coin. this should be considered for all purposes as the same thing; as the results are the same with merely the illusion of difference. it should now be pointed out that if your government either directly or indirectly employs a sizable percentage of the population the market can not truly be considered to be free. similar statements could fairly be made about market regulations and control of currency.

but back to the original point in an age where only a small percentage of the population needs to work to fulfill the baseline requirement of human necessity; i ask what purpose does capitalism continue to serve.

related ideas
all power destroys itself in the end all systems are the same in this

capitalism is not the best simulator of technological growth it creates selective breakthroughs but often in fact suppresses growth ex: fm radio, ac power, ultra high mpg cars... the list goes on.(its a matter of research costs here i believe and limited collaboration(and a lot of competition) across a field) if 2 people are working on the same idea separately do you suppose that they just might be more effective if the worked together. could you not say the same of three.

>>731896012
>The fuck is going on?
Economic freedom is measured how? Sounds straight up fake.
Of course the number of people living on peanuts is falling, to buy $1.25 worth of stuff in 05 with today's dollars you'd need more.
Capitalism is a bridge from feudalism to socialism, Marx was so convincing that the robber barons of the late 19th century took measures to keep everyone doing laps on the bridge and never getting off.
Change the definition of poverty, hey! Less poverty!
Real wages have been falling 2.5% for ten years while prices have been rising at the same rate, all that means is 50% more profit for your owners.
Stupid graph and shitty bait.

>>731899921
how about you post some data that contradicts that instead

>>731899915
whats your point? It would be the capitalist way, there is no bailing out it capitalism, especially by the government

>>731900065
Hey man, you have to believe all of my sourceless bullshit.

>>731900087
no that's the free market way

>>731900065
here is exaclty how is measured
http://www.heritage.org/index/about

and the income measure is using actual purchasing power parity, so you entire comment is invalid, try again

>>731900006
lol, and what exactly do you propose? Let's go to the ultrarich and ask them to give most of their wealth away? Let it trickle down on lower class? Logic is, that once capitalism has evolved into something else, there is no turning back, this can only end in slavery or feudalism

>>731900076
>asks others for data as proof
>he didn't post data as proof either
>but he posted it first so it's up to you to disprove it
Yeah, I don't care. I just came here to laugh at you.

>>731900215
nonsense.
Elect officials that think like you and hold them accountable.
Your kind of lazy cynicism is exactly how bullshit takes over.

>>731900251
I posted plenty of data, scroll up

or read this if you are actually serious (unlikely)
https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty/

>>731900215
how about you go to college and get a job?

Capitalism in theory is not bad.

In the same manner Anarchy, Communism and other systems are not bad.

What fuck us is the practical application.

Look at the 2008 economic crisis. It's crystal clear that the system doesn't work, but no one give a fuck because the people that should watch over it are BFF with the ones that ruin it just to have more profit don't caring that their actions have ripercursion on global scale.

>>731900290
>>731900349
>no answer to my question
>personal attack
yeah, you're doing well anons

>>731900415
that happened because economic models were inaccurate and loans for real estate were being given away far too easily
>muh cronyism

>>731900447
I did answer your question tho

>>731900349
>Communism and other systems are not bad.

no, they are bad

>>731900447
alright but your questions aren't bearing on the topic
>Logic is, that once capitalism has evolved into something else, there is no turning back, this can only end in slavery or feudalism
let's start here
why do you think this?

>>731900548
there he goes again with the whole concept of good and evil. its almost as if he believes the shit hes saying. its almost as if he doesn't realize that all economic systems work in parallel ways.

>>731900640
greed and lack of empathy

>>731900649
I didn't say it was evil, I said it was bad.
As in, it doesn't produce sustainable economic growth.
I think the historic evidence is pretty clear on that.

>>731900698
so people were non-greedy and very empathic a few decades ago when economic growth was highest?

>>731900798
I'm not talking about people in general, there are very few ultrarich and they have always been greedy and sociopathic, it takes time and better conditions to accumulate wealth

>>731899499
>we are all much better off
What do you mean by "we", Peasant?

>>731900889
and talent and connections and intelligence and hard work

>>731900900
by "we" I mean literally everyone.

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>>731898028

After a deep analyse of those data, I found that when there are less poors, I'm getting older.

The only conclusion anybody with a bit of education can draw from that is that you should maintain a high poverty rate in order to STAY YOUNG FOREVER !

Checkmate !

Also fuck stick, god has spoken under hexes voice !
>>731888888

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The kool aid is strong in this thread.

No one is entitled to steal the profits of another man's labor.

>>731898743
>marx day
Shackling yourself to a misanthropic Jew and his disingenuous rhetoric. Voluntarily.

Only liberals.