https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqK oSqzWxs8 So Trump just

>>731586187
Yup. He's a doofus. I feel like we've been over this...

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>>731586187
He's flaky as fuck and has no strong ideology or position. Everything is for sale.
His sadsack cultists are fucking up their country for lulz. Look at these cunts.. embarrassing...

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>>731586397
I bet you voted for Shillary

>>731586476
But her name is--waaaaaaait a minute!

>>731586476
Not an argument.
He's shit m8 and his new/pol/ reddit fans are as cringey as lefty tards.

>>731586623
>Not an argument.
Yes, it is an argument.
You're just mad because you voted for a crippled old woman that wanted to increase hostilities with every nation on the planet, as opposed to ease them.

>>731586709
>Still not an argument.

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>>731586476
Not anon youre responding to, but Trump has made himself look like shit lately. "I dont stand by anything" Like????? Hello?????

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Fuck up Cunt.

>>731586867
who are you quoting?

>>731586187
Medicare wouldnt work in the US. It relies on people paying 42c in the dollar tax then a medicare levy ontop of that.

Americans are scared of tax so they just ignore hip complaints because they would have to sell a kidney to pay for it.

>>731586187
cry harder bitch.

>>731587267
Turn 13. It's an emergency.

>>731587038
yawn. how's the autism treating you?

>>731587312
incoherent post

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>>731586476
I did and would again. donald trump is a fucking joke.

>>731586187
All his supporters are leaving because it's obvious he just said what all of us wanted to hear before the election and now that he's in, his opinions on everything are for sale.

>Repeal and replace Trumpcare
He proposes an *intensification* of Trump care. Individual mandate still stands but is penalilzed harsher. Wishes to subsidize by age rather than income so young people who already don't use insurance and can't afford it have to pay more, then get penalized if they don't.

>Neutrality with Russia and Syria
He starts a war over an attack that's never been pinned to Assad, or even proven to happen.

>A foreign policy that makes sense, not arming Arab extremists
Arming them worse than Obama ever has.... and guess who our allies are in Syria? Al-fucking-Queda....
>Pro-freedom, Pro-constitution
Restrictions on rights to protest with a potential sentence of up to 10 years.

He's everything we hate and honestly, I-fucking-dentical to Obama and Hillary.

It baffles me that Americans these days don't realize both their parties are identical, the only difference is who they pander to.

They talk a big talk about 4 points of contention abortion, gun control, gay rights, and immigration. But even on these issues they legislate identically, they defer to state's rights and pretend it's a victory for their side.

We only have the illusion of choice and our parties are no different. This is why the democrats have to imagine reasons that Trump is different and evil like saying he's an agent of Russia or that he's racist.

>>731587355
yawn.

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remember when he said this? Apparently he doesn't.

>>731587368
your opinion.

>>731587394
Sick burn.

>>731587403
big yawn. remember when barry said he would tax the oil companies?

>>731587445
aww I get it you're butthurt.
why didn't you say so?
autism?

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>>731586476

>>731586187
Yeah, despite having a fraction of the US defense spending our tax rate is significantly higher on average then the US, simply to bankroll this system. Also a large portion of Australians also have private health cover because waiting lists on elective surgery in public health care can be pretty brutal - also dental.
We also have mandatory superannuation/401k and very high payroll tax, so between those three our labour rates are frightening, as an example about ~$150hr for a mechanic.

Having the fallback of public healthcare is nice and I don't disagree with it but it's not all roses.

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>>731587537
>autism?

>>731586308

>america is full of doufuses who voted in trump
Fixed it for you

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>>731587539

>>731587415
Nope, those are facts. And anyone with a deeper grasp of politics than "MURCA!" sees it. You've just always been a bit slow to grasp things.

I voted for Trump too.... but if you see that he's delivering the exact opposite of what he campaigned on in nearly every issue, you're a limited person.

>>731587578
attacks a ten year old. why am I not surprised.

>>731587678
sure kid. facts that only you believe.

>>731587559

You fucktard, how often do you need a mechanic? Normal wages are much less, you're picking the biggest because youre a fuckface. It's all relative.

Mininmum wage is about $17 AU, but don't let that fact get in the way of your argument. Most people earn in that vicinity up to about $24 au per hour, but some white collar workers usually earn a bit more. But hey so do people in america.

Besides, our economy is in much better shape than the US, less debt per capita, much less gross debt, etc.

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>>731586187

I work in australia health policy.

For hospitals, there are government run ones for free that anyone can access, you use these in an emergency and they are free.. if it is not an emergency or urgent, say a knee replacement, there will be a waiting list, which can be years, but still free.

Private hospital, you can get your knee replaced immediately, but it will cost you. But the public vs private hospitals creates competition.

For out of hospital care, like a doctor, we have medicare, which the gov pays a benefit for each service.. someones that is enough to cover the service, but sometimes a doctor can charge more if they want, and you pay the difference.. regardless, those who charge more face the competition of doctors who accept just the benefit.

USA spends heaps more than the rest of the first world, yet it seems the service is a lot worse.. your system allows for health care staff to exploit people and get rich.

In saying that, surgeons etc here are still on hundrends of thousand usd a year :/

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>>731587720
>facts that only you believe
Hello barbie crypt keeper

>>731587728
Who mentioned wages?

>>731587578
Autism? Because an 11 year old boy doesn't want to hold his mom's hand?

I have news for you, if you were walking around and holding your mom's hand at 11 years old, you're on the spectrum for sure.

>>731587678
sorry child, not limited.
lets just say I have a life
and leave it at that.

>>731587728
$17? how much is that in cheeseburger?
my dollar to burger conversion table is broke

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This is why we can't have nice healthcare

>>731586187
boo hoo.
lots of us got fucked over hard by obamacare.
your turn to eat shit for 8 years, nigger.
bon apetit.

>>731587755
you seem upset?

>>731587770
This fuckhead:
>>731587559

>>731587845
Wait, how wouldn't this affect you too if you are a US citizen?

>>731587355
All of em small and irrelevant countries. What you're point nigger

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>>731587845
>8 years
lol see >>731587539

>>731587153
So fucking true, working 6 days a week paying 40c to the dollar and barely getting by while cunts are living off the dole and are given free housing

>>731587851
>>731587720
>alternative facts

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>>731587866
No I didn't.
What I did say was labour rates - what a consumer pays per hour for services - our labour rates are significantly higher than the US, much more so than wages.

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>>731587907
>alternative facts

>>731587920
>has never failed
The NHS in the UK has been rebooted 7 times in the last two decades.

theguardianDAWTcom/society/2017/jan/11/nhs-crisis-20-hospitals-declare-black-alert-as-patient-safety-no-longer-assured

>>731586187
Yer country is fucked... have fun this asshole for the next while lol. fuckin yanks

>>731587810
If you can't see:

campaign promises and reality
>Trump vows to not disturb states with legal weed and wants to try to legalize on a national level.
Jeff Sessions vows to crack down on weed in states that it's legal and compares it to heroin
>Trump vows not to intervene in Syria or fuck with Russia
Opposite
>Trump vows to get rid of Obamacare and the individual mandate.
Institutes Trumpcare that has individual mandate but punishes it harder. Also wants health insurance subsidized by age so old people get cheap care because the young (the people who cannot afford it) pay extra.


These are major planks of his campaign where he's doing the opposite. And they aren't small issues, they're very important things.

No. None of this is opinion those are FACTS.

If you cannot see it or think this is opinion, your critical thinking skills are every bit as bad as a SJW.

Most Americans never evolve past a very primitive Us vs Them mentality. You're clearly one of them.

I voted for him too, but it's time for us to wizen up. Had he been anything like the man he campaigned as, it would be a refreshing change.....

But this is literally Obama 2.0....

>>731588077
>>731588010
>>731587961
>>731587901
>>731587860
samefag
kill yourself

>>731587907
yawn. I hate it when children throw tantrums.

>>731587559

i had a bad toothache and got it fixed that same day and a government clinic for $0

I needed surgery on my nose to clear some bone that had overgrown, i waited 1 month and it cost me $0

I also pay for private health to cover the extras. we had a baby that was premature, stayed in special care for 2 weeks (private hospital) for a total of $47,000 - just signed the receipt and walked out.

yeah its not perfect in Australia but its pretty fucking great

>>731588094
reverse-psychology samefag
bot?
probably a punjab manning the virtual machine in the event someone calls them out

>>731588094
yawn

>>731586187
Kek. What is this guy even doing near the White House. America is fucking retarded lol.

>>731586397
funny shit.
could say the same of every liberal i know.
you guys like free speech and assembly until people you disagree with practice it. when that happens, you assault them.
you hated the second amendment up until you realized your faggy little resistance wouldn't last five seconds if you weren't armed, so you waffled on that.
you want tolerance, but only for the things you approve of. everything else is negotiable.
you hated the patriot act when bush signed it, but you said jack shit when obama renewed it.
mass surveillance was terrible until you found out chocolate jesus liked it, too.
you claim to care about gay rights, but you say nothing when some jihadi murders 50 gay people.
you claim to care about women's rights, but you support islam.
you cunts also stand for nothing.

As for fucking up the country?
yeah, the last 8 years of The Great One have left this country in social and financial ruins.
He did a bang up job of stirring the pot and inciting racial discord and you dumbfucks applauded him being given a Nobel Peace Prize.
Next level stupidity there. Good job dipshits.
Yeah, republicans suck too, but don't pretend you're not selfish moronic fuckheads as well.

>>731588127
sure kid.

>>731588123
i know, i'm tired of trump too anon

>>731588127
>overgrown bone nose
>jew detected

good goyum!

>>731588127
Glad to hear it anon, the government dental clinics in Perth run pretty hot but they also have pretty long opening hours, also Childrens dental is covered through school but they're fucking scammers who throw fillings at 6 year old kids who are going to lose the teeth in 6 months anyway.

>>731587920
Why you leftist liked to suck Europe's cock so much but can't move there and you shitheads ignore more effective and superior healthcare of countries like Singapore and Hong Kong. Are you leftist this RACIST?

>>731586397
worth it

so glad I don't have to hear Hillary's voice or see her face ever again

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>>731588099
3 are me

>>731588231
give it up kid.

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>>731587831
Oh would you look at that. Burgers cost way more in america than Australia. I guess our high wages fuck things up, huh?
/sarcasm

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>>731588268

>>731588302
this

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>be me
>mfw I had a spontaneous pneumothorax and had to sell my apartment and move back in with my parents

>>731588333
>kid

dont you have school this morning?

>>731588304
sure kid

>>731587368
Jesus, this bullshit about both parties being identical is such a steaming pile of horseshit.

>>731588387
sure kid

>>731588094
Obama was Bush 2.0.
FACT
(see, i can use caps lock too. am i in the cool kid club now?)

>>731588334
HA! Joke's on you! I get my burgers from the gas station for only 89 cents!

>>731588414
CUCK!

>>731587613
Doesn't really contradict the quoted post, though, does it?

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>>731588249

how can i be a jew and a goyum?

>>731588353
So I gather you've just stopped watching the news. You could've done that any time, silly bunny!

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>>731587313

>>731588459
No, but it calls the people stupid rather than the president. The people voted him in, but people call trump stupid.

Uhh no, the people are fucking dumb, for being conned like they have.

Back to OPs point, Universal health care in Aus works really well, no bullshit bills - and I never have to worry about being bankrupted when I get sick and lose my job. Treatment is free, go to ED, stick around and get treated for something if its important or just go see a GP. No bullshit, works great!

Enjoy having to "pay for muh healthcare and not yours" in america. We'll just be over here loving our life.

>>731588477
jews are notorious for being shapeshifters

>>731588427
Yup.... actually since 2000 it's like we've had the exact same guy in office. Sure, they pander a bit differently, but on policy? Identical.

>>731588414
You better hurry or you'll miss the bus

>>731588457
wonders why I call him kid.

>>731587355
>if all these failing cuck states are doing it, we should too

>citing bernie

>bragging about voting for a murderous tyrant who literally said "what difference does it make?" when her incompetence as SoS got 4 men killed.


stay classy and enjoy the next 12 years.
#pence/trump 2024

>>731588630
this>>731588644

>>731586187
business as usual in america

>>731588644
Because you lack creativity to make up your own comeback?

>>731588644
CUCK FAGGOT KIDDO!

Universal healthcare. not forced insurance purchase at the point of a gun. Also despite how Obama ran things, the president doesn't get to dictate laws unless they are specifically granted to him.

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>>731588410
How so? Both are full of shit. Both claim to have policies that benefit the public but only really benefit the politicians and lobbyists. Both rely on falsehoods and distortion of truth to demonize the other. It's potato potahto, but I'm glad Donald got in and not the cunt who already proved on numerous occasions that she was ethically and functionally incapable of doing the job.

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>>731588670
>enjoy the next 12 years.
3 more months of trump
3 years of pence
then hello President Warren

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>>731588711

>>731588410
There is barley any difference anymore. The current democrats are like the republicans of the 90s

>>731588852
OKAY CUCKY MCCUCKBOY!

>>731588690
sure kid

>>731588823
bet you claimed Hillary would win, didn't you?

>>731588964
I hope you know what irony means

>>731588988
Win what? The popular vote?

>>731588852
cuck is mad hes getting called a cuck

maybe stop letting tyrone unload lessons of multiculturalism into your wifes cunt?

jk youve got better things to do like shill on /b/ for the left

>>731587782
she wanted him to wave you blithering idiot. He refused because he's an autistic edgelord

>>731588964
sure cuck

>>731587737
>your system allows for health care staff to exploit people and get rich
And why is that bad? If I have the opportunity to get rich, you bet I will damn take it.

If I am an Orthopedic surgeon and someone has knee problems as a complication of obesity, well maybe they shouldn't have eaten so much and exercised some more to not have knee issues, then they would not have to pay. If a woman wants a boob job, she can have one but she gonna pay to look sexy, and I get to fuck her once I am making good money.

That is why I despise socialized medicine. It makes it hard for people to get rich.

>>731589166
/thread

>>731589035
you really have nothing.

Difference between shitty Obamacuck healthcare and Glorius Straya healthcare is I get taxed about an extra 50 cents a week instead of whatever ludicrous amount you muricans have to pay.

>>731586397
>jews ruin the country
>nothing you can do about it
>might as well ruin it yourself and get a laugh out of it

I applaud the people who voted for trump

>>731588670
>>bragging about voting for a murderous tyrant who literally said "what difference does it make?" when her incompetence as SoS got 4 men killed.

Do you not realize the incompetent administration of this nation had hundreds of thousands, if not millions, murdered within the last two decades. Many of them innocent civilians. Many of them women and children.

It's amazing that with the free dissemination of knowledge we are still this stupid. We deserve to be conquered at this point, or revolution, but we're too dumb and complacent for revolution.

>>731589135
muh education in action folks.
someone disagrees with you,
call 'em names.

>>731589261
okay cuck

>>731589205
Your replay have been reduced to "sure kid" and you just took the bait staying you don't have anything but 4chan fads to say. Stay stupid

>>731589166
Define rich? One of the professions you mentioned get paid 1/4 million pa and the other works in the private sector and gets paid at whatever rate he can charge.

>>731589318
p'sure the sure kid anon is some abandoned illegitimate child of hillary's.

he was sucking her twat like a dyson during the elections.

>mommy please notice me now

>>731587920
In leafland (Canada) the Federal government is saying that healthcare spending is getting out of hand (currently at something like 20% GDP and growing - biggest expenditure the country has). Many predict that the government will have to move away from Universal Healthcare as it is too much of a burden. I say thats a good thing, let doctors have the opportunity to get rich and taxpayers pay fewer taxes.

>>731589227
Heh, wrong.
A significant portion of your weekly tax goes to healthcare, then you pay the medicare levy on top of that and if you earn enough the surcharge on top of that.

>>731589382
>orthopedic surgeon
>1/4 million

You're being played, son.

>>731589318
kid you best learn how to cope with lifes disappointments.
wouldn't want you to shoot up your school,
now would we.

>>731589462
Not sure what you mean there?
Played as in not enough
Or played as in they don't earn that much?
Either way, they've always got the option of working within the private sector is 250k doesn't float their boat.

>>731589462
That might seem like serious money, but it pales in comparison an orthopedic surgeon's $519,000 paycheck. Cardiologists make an awful lot, too. They are guaranteed an average base salary of $512,000, according to the Merritt Hawkins data. The third highest-paying specialty: Urology
Forbes

>>731589538
Jesus man, another 4chan fad post. Come up with something original

>>731587741
Not his fault, that's just lag.

>>731587153
I hear stuff like this but it's never cited from any legitimate sources.

>>731588670
Hahaha, you're fucking brainwashed. Enjoy your third world country

>>731589700
Which bit?

>>731586623
we had a chance to vote for two different piles of shit, i chose to vote for the one that was less likely to destroy my way of life.

>>731589759
Seriously? The part where unsubstantiated claims are made.

You do understand the burden of proof and what a citation are, right?

>>731589382
Orthopedic surgeons get paid upwards of 400k/year doing hip replacement surgeries. Plastic surgeons can earn more depending on where they practice.

>>731589847
Seriously. Were you referring to the rate of tax required or the claim that it wouldn't work in the US?

>>731589968
The median is between 200 and 250k, of course some earn more, some also earn less.

>>731590054
>>731589570

>>731589999
I don't know what you want me to say. Two specific claims were made and I'm asking for citations. I don't know how I can make that any clearer for you.

>>731590097
>http://www.payscale.com/research/AU/Job=Orthopedic_Surgeon/Salary

>>731590145
Wouldn't it have just been easier to answer the question and say both?

>>731589610
you just repeated yourself.

>>731590054
Median indicates that HALF of a particular data set is above and below that value. This means that HALF of the orthopedic surgeons make upwards of 400k and half make below. However, those that make below just finished residency and are just starting out. An orthodpedic surgeon starts making 400k+ after around 5-7 years of work.

>>731590206
Two unsupported claims were made. What part of that needs explanation?

>>731587690
>/pol/tards totally didn't attack obama's children for his entire presidency
>I mean, it's only when the people I don't like do it that it's evidence that they're evil monsters!

>>731590261
You didn't even read the page did you? It shows median rates based on experience

>>731588099
>s-STOP triggering me! you're NOT allowed to disagree with me or you're part of the CONSPIRACY!!!1!!

>>731590432
Do you understand the difference between median and average?

>>731590432
Thats exactly what I said in my post. Inexperienced surgeons (just out of residency) make less than more experienced surgeons.

>>731590283
>Stuff like this (Two claims)
>Which claim
>Both

It could have been this simple anon

The only country that spends more money per capita on health care is Norway, which has complete universal coverage.

>>731590496
Ok fine. It could have been that simple.

Can we go back to talking about the claims now?

>>731590477
Median is a type of average, if you have a peak of 500 and a low of 100 with a median of 204 then you have a hell of a lot more surgeons earning on the low end of the scale than the high and peak earnings occur between 5 and 10 years on the job.

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>>731586187
Oh so worth it just to see you guys bitch and moan

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>>731586187
Mil/b/tards - is your Trump boner starting to get limp and saggy after reading this?

You're canon fodder in the republican war against working class people

>>731590296
this is relevant how?

>>731589426
But it's working in europe. It's not an impossible system

The problem is how america is structured.
You basically have a developing country comparable to brazil or mexico inside the most advanced country in the world.
They would be better off just making a new country out of California, New York etc. and not be stuck with a shitton of degenerates.
Also americans have this fucked up social darwinistic view that whatever you get you deserve. So if you are poor fuck you that's your fault. If you have a medical emergency and need healthcare fuck you that's your fault.
The hilarious thing is that this is more common in the retarded working class of the bumfuck states because they somehow don't see themselves as poor. They like taxcuts for the rich because they think they will one day be rich.
Add to that the electoral college which boosts the power of the retarded mass and you get the most fucked up political system in the western world.
Add to that russian shillbotting and the neocon retards who basically said shit like "obama wasn't born in america" long enough for them to believe it themselves and you get the alt-right which is probably the most retarded political movement in recent history.

Trump is a mentally ill conman you is completely overwhelmed with his tasks at hand.
Him saying one thing today and the complete opposite tomorrow is not a strategy, he just is that retarded.
You should read the transcript of the AP interview.
One example:

AP: So in terms of the 100-day plan that you did put out during the campaign, do you feel, though, that people should hold you accountable to this in terms of judging success?

>TRUMP: No, because much of the foundation’s been laid. Things came up. I’ll give you an example. I didn’t put Supreme Court judge on the 100 (day) plan, and I got a Supreme Court judge.

AP: I think it’s on there.

>TRUMP: I don’t know. ...

>>731590813
posted by someone who doesn't have a job.

>>731591020
sure kid

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>>731587775

>"The Russians wanted to hurt our democracy, hurt Clinton, and help Trump."

And that's why he opened an investigation into Clinton's emails ten day before the election. Because if anyone hurts 'murrica it has to be a 'murrican.

>>731590577
>Can we go back to talking about the claims now?
Sure.
The key difference as I see between the US and other Western Countries with universal healthcare is defence spending. I'm Australian so I'll use that as an example.
Australia spends 8% of it's federal budget on the military the US spends 16%. Interestingly enough the US spends a fair bit more federally on health but in Aus the state government also takes a lot of the health spending load so it'd take more time than I'm willing to put into it to work that out.

The common theme with countries which have universal healthcare though is a comparatively high tax rate, I cannot see the US being able to bankroll a system like this without a large jump in tax or a dramatic defence budget cut which I can't see happening.

>>731591412
maybe we get the lazy ones to start working?

>>731591412
Actually the US can fund universal healthcare. How you ask? Easy. Tell hospitals to refuse all treatment for obesity and obesity related complications (this is already done for alcoholics and smokers)

>>731586187
the only reason you think its "shitty" is because he made it.

obamacare is about to fail. almost every private ensurer has pulled out of obamacare because it costs more than they can recover in subsidy.

>>731591616
It would no longer qualify as universal then would it

>>731591787
then it wouldn't be a free ride. that's what you meant to post.

>>731591787
Yes it would. It covers everyone but not for obesity related complications. Obesity is the greatest burden to US healthcare system. Cut that and everything suddenly becomes affordable.

>>731591926
Soo, not universal. I don't disagree with the thrust of your post but other universal healthcare systems cover the full gamut, as the name implies.

>>731592015
'Universal' implies that everyone in the country is covered. Not every disease.

>>731592015
soo those who row the boat row for those who don't.

>>731592399
Fair point, Obese man gets skin cancer, is treated per normal.

millennials discussing the merits of a system they do nothing to support.

>>731592570
Exactly. Skin cancer is not a complication of obesity, so it gets treated.

>>731586476
>>731588302
>>731588988
Can't defend Trump, so attacks Hillary.
>I'm not fat because I choose to eat poorly, I'm fat because Mc Donalds food is unhealthy.
Learn to debate, if you don't have a point, don't resort to making of ass of yourself.

>>731593248
Lol. I am a millenial in medical school. So you could say I am the system.

>>731593654
>>I'm not fat because I choose to eat poorly, I'm fat because Mc Donalds food is unhealthy.
>Learn to debate, if you don't have a point, don't resort to making of ass of yourself
If McDonalds is unhealthy and you are not compelled to eat it at gun point, that means that you chose to eat it. If you make poor choices, can't force anyone else to give a shit or pay.

>>731586709
Its like you lived under a rock since january the 20th. Trump hasnt eased a single relatio ship you mong

>>731591057
>Trump is completely fucking us over
>oh wait no it's perfectly because the guy who pointed it out doesn't have a job

Don't forget to breathe there lad.

Leave it to dumbfuck liberals to not yet get how Trump operates.

Let me fill you in, since you don't get it...

When Trump wants to be friends with someone, he'll give them compliments to win them over. Same goes for anyone that Trump doesnt know. If some famous sports star comes out and says he likes Trump, Trump will give that guy compliments back, saying shit like "Ive always liked XXXXXX, he's a stand up guy, his team is doing real well and I wish them the best..." This isnt a new phenomenon.

Libcucks ignore this and are steadily, constantly scraping the bottom of the barrel for ANYTHING they can say is bad about Trump.

At least try to learn how Trump does shit.

>>731587741
Genuinely sad.

BASED AUSTRALIA WORKING THE FAT AMERICANS INTO A SHOOT

>>731594174
Also, lets not forget how Trump and this Aussie got into a heated phone call not too long ago... He's trying to mend fences and win him over.

>>731588427
That's the point he is making you subhuman.

>>731594314
Lol no. If Turnbulls government had it their way Australias healthcare would be just as terrible as Americas. Turnbull is an absolute spineless cunt who bends to the will of the right because his career depends on it.

>>731586187
Just in Today

The ACLU has decided not to sue Trumps religious freedom executive order because his order doesn't mean anything.

Literally, trumps executive order doesn't order anything, doesn't change anything, doesn't affect anything. Nobody has to do anything about it and nobody can do anything more or less because of it.

The whole thing was all pomp and circumstance meaning nothing.

>>731586187
everyday you Hillary shills just keep shoveling on more and more fake news

>>731593789
Just like those people chose to make an ass of themselves by screaming Hillary when they had no debate points left. 1chum isn't holding a gun to our heads and forcing us to reply.

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>>731594453
And mongoloids like you keep taking the bait.

I'm still laughing at the fact that he attacks Assad - inadvertently defending his ISIS buddies.

>>731588585
Lol!

>>731594453
Just wondering, are they Hillary shills because you know they voted for her, or because they oppose Trump?

Say, for example, someone liked Rand and gave up when their desired 'type' left the stage, since they didn't like any of the resulting people and are now not pro-Trump, does that make them pro-Hillary automatically?

Your approach to reality is rather weak..

>>731594608
kys yourself numale cuck

>>731588585
Fox News, is that you?

>>731589968
Yeah well that's about 380k more than what I make a year... so yeah I'd consider that rich.

Oh and I live ok and comfortable.

>>731594704
no because they're obviously hillary shills, no shortage of leftist concern trolls pretending to be republicans

this is probably completely fabricated, and even if it's not it's definitely taken completely out of context like 99.99% of trump """quotes""" you see the liberal media attribute to him

>>731594133
such denial.

>>731593683
sure kid.

>>731589968
To be fair, when you get over 225 you generally face 50 - 55% in taxes to deal with somehow.

That's still a boatload of money however.

>>731593654
irrelevant post.

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>>731590674

You want us, as a nation, to continue looking like retards just so we can complain about Trump making us look like retards?

Retard logic.

>>731594916
wife and I pay 55%. make 85k per year.

>>731586187
3 1/2 more years of this every time he does anything. You fucking libtards are precious.

>>731594866
So it is obvious to you that they voted Hillary.

I mean, it's possible to attack Trump without loving Hillary, lots of that in this thread with replies saying that they love Hillary, just because they are against Trump.

It's so confusing, similar to the Trump people that believe he is Jesus returned, here to grab Christianity by the pussy. I just don't get that approach.

But I've never been a far-right, so maybe my lack of whateveritis is why I don't get this mentality.

>>731594905
You can not believe me if you want. Doesn't change reality.

From experience it seems that some millenials are more intellegent than their parents and the retarded baby boomers who fucked the country.

>>731595020
I used to make just over 80 (now less as I work less) you should look at the many deductions you can claim, the closer you get to 200 the harder they get to work, but you can deduct a great deal.

One of the best out there is converting your basement into a home office (it's tricky but can work for many people).

Lastly, you may qualify for grants still, those can be worth 15-30k a year

>>731594916
Thats why I think taxing on income is retarded. You end up paying for lazy and retarded people.

>>731595166
right away you get defensive.
why?

>>731595261
we have one of the best accountants.
he is a former IRS man.

>>731595315
Because I worked incredibly hard to get to where I am. Don't appreciate doubt. Plus still have confidence issues.

>>731595292
Not true. The government wastes enough money to pay for Healthcare and Education easily. Just do some research and a little math.

Income tax was started to help bolster the war machine, it was just never turned off after the war, just like the war machine.

>>731595387
Surprised he's not told you to start a DBA small business, operate from the house, make around 1.5k in profits and then use the write-offs.

Maybe it's not his gig to recommend such tricks - but they do work. Just don't get greedy about the write-offs, the area of the house for the business easily qualifies, as does a phone line for it and related equipment, even a computer. A flat screen tv will get you an audit however.

>>731587737

Simple word to fix many things in the USA. But Conservatives don't like it:

SOLUTION TO ALL THE US PROBLEMS:

REGULATION

>>731595464
Thats precisely why it wastes money. Its too bloated. Thats why eliminating income tax would mean less money for the gov and means it would get more efficient and would not be a burden to the citizens,meaning you wouldn't really need universal healthcare because theyd be able to pay for it with all the money they save.

>>731595450
fair enough. thanks for the response.

>>731595587
already do.

>>731595705
worthless post.

>>731595798

Why is removing your appendix (which is a simple procedure) the most expensive in the USA? And way way cheaper in EU and other parts of the world?

Your healthcare is just fucking over your country. The government needs regulation to reduce the money grabbing by the healthcare industry in the USA.

This is the only difference between the EU and if you had both Universal healthcare.

It is both needed: Universal Healthcare doesn't work with good regulation.

The cost of removing the appendix should be lowered by regulations. As all procedures in a hospital. The hospitals are too expensive.

This means your doctors will earn less. But they earn already too much. They are money grabbers in the USA.

>>731588334
Yep -- But how much are your cars and gas?

Nice Import taxes there, mate.

>>731596403
We don't tax car importations

>>731596461
australia does tax car importations

- from someone who has imported a car

>>731596197
the costs are higher to cover those who refuse to pay or have insurance.
lets not forget the frivols lawsuits.

>>731596654
Australia taxes private goods importations above 1k, no matter what it is. We don't tax new car importations to be specific, car tariffs were removed a fair while ago.

>>731596782
If you don't have insurance and can not afford it, you don't get the surgery, how do you suggest that makes insurance cost more? .....

Only emergency rooms are required to take people and treat them, but the costs are to the hospital, who sells that to a debt collector, who in return goes after the patient and if they don't pay the government allows the debt collector to go out of business. Still, not seeing the insurance in there....

>>731587678
>voted for Trump
opinion nullified. you have horrible reasoning skills, are easily led and fed and are unusually aggressive in protecting the prayers they shoved up your ass. You should automatically be conscripted to go fight in NK if your vote went to him.

>>731597177
Wahhh someone doesn't think the same way as me so they must be retarded wahhhhhhhhhhhh

>>731596197
Its expensive because there is a huge burden of obesity on the healthcare system. Remove that and prices fall.

Also, if you think doctors are money grubbers and earn to much, you have no idea how difficult it is to become a doctor in the US/Canada and what students have to go through. Moreover, with idiots constantky trying to sue doctors for stuff they don't control and doctors having to ask uneducated fools how they want to be treated, earning good money is the least that doctors can have.

>>731597109
really have comprehension problems don't you.

>>731597496
Interesting debate points there, I never thought of it that way, you bring up a colorful bouquet of information and enlightenment which I had not previously been aware of, I will make haste to digest this information and acclimate to your way of thinking with this new found wealth of knowledge. Well done.

>>731587894
>Germany
>small irrelevant country that almost eliminated Jews from the planet

>>731597702
so you like to use a lot of words. think it makes you look intelligent.
you are obviously a child with little real life experience.

>>731593789
The point... you missed it.

>>731598484
Continues to not debate my prior post
> starts name calling
neener neener neener, your pants on fire, ect.
> Is projecting by calling me a child, when their actions show they are childish.
Irony.

>>731594174
not really necessary to scrape the bottom of anything. Just repeating his own words is often damning enough.

>>731586476
Trump has every right to call Liberal media fake news kek

>>731586476
Not surprising polls regarding the election were misleading. People were embarrassed to admit they were going to vote for Trump... as they should be.

Here's the deal, Trumpcunts.

Trump has been FIRED. Let go. Relieved of duty. Terminated. Ditched. Dumped. Removed. Sacked. Sent packing, Given his pink slip. Escorted out. Clean out your locker.

The people of the United States have F-I-R-E-D this creep. Got that? It's permanent. It's final.


He's done. And you are wasting your time and ours discussing this further.

Sincerely,

Everyone in the United States

>>731599270
oooo you're in for it now.....

> inb4 you get called an ugly poopie face Hillary shill

>>731599270
but you're still crying.
why is that?

>>731599092
sure kid. salty tears

>>731599423

What did I just say you bonehead?

>>731599458
you're still crying. mmmm, salty tears.

>>731599513

Those tears must be yours, Trumpcuck. America has already moved on without him. I can see why it makes you sad that we have rejected your slimy shitbag leader.

Adios, dickbag.

30 million mexicans voted Hillary and you socialists still lost. This is a turning point in history. Nearly 1 in 10 people are here illegally, it could be anyone, even a family member. We need to send them and all the other homosexual muslims back to mexico, build the wall and MAGA

>>731599617
sad rebuttal but more delicious tears.

>>731599884
>sad rebuttal
>delicious tears
fantastic irony.

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>>731586187
'murica is full of a bunch of idiots, they deserve this knob. good job on that election fascists

>>731599926
pathetic post

See the tears? See them? That's called WINNING because you can't debate sarcasm and that means you have to leave the debate - making Trump supporters WINNERS.

Just admit it you stupids, Trump is the best, his supporters are the best, our way of life is the best. You just are sad you can't be like us!

>>731600108
I pointed out irony, that is all.
> You must mean that the irony in the other post is pathetic, oh yes, now I get it, we agree! 884 is a pathetic post.

>>731600259
You said it, Comrade Boris! BTW how IS Russia nowadays?
>>Russians flood American message boards pretending to be Americans to troll and divide young people.

>>731587368
He has a 96% approval rating among people who voted for him. Get fucked

>>731599457
>sure kid. salty tears
God you guys are broken fucking records. You don't think that fucker is an embarrassment? That ignorant fucktard bullshits his way through life, and lies for the rest of it... and you morons just lap it up.

BTW... 42 year old business owner here. Worth millions. I'm pretty fucking psyched I don't have any preexisting medial conditions and I'm wealthy as fuck... but that still isn't enough to make me like Trump.

>>731600711
Lol. If that was the case Russia would be the strongest nation in the world....Son, I have news for you, its not.

>>731600759
This is simply not true, maybe in hick town usa where they're unable to comprehend the responsibilities of the president, but all of 3 the people I've talked to who admit to vitung for him say that he's pretty fucking shitty.

>>731600371
you shouldn't be here if you can't take criticism.

>>731600825
sure kid

>>731600759
Not true, but he does have a 96% approval rating of those that approved of him.
> 4% started to change their mind during the vote.

>>731601327
drowning in a flood of salty tears.

>>731601270
That wasn't criticism, a post was called pathetic. There were no points of reason presented.

If I call you an idiot, is that just criticism, not empty name calling?

Now if I call you an idiot because you use criticism as a debate point, without even understanding the fundamentals behind it's meaning, that is not name calling, because I have shown why the statement is valid.

>>731601306
Ooooo I'm feeling the burn...

How's mommy's basement today? I'm so clever.

>>731601480
still hasn't learned anything.

>>731601508
I doubt successful business men lurk here.
posting proof of your claim would lend credibility to it.
too late now kid.

>>731601690
Ah yes... only losers lurk here... right? Rich guys hate looking at porn and fucked up shit anonymously. That urge just goes away the second you have 5 million in the bank.
My current business is non-medical homecare. If I was making shit up, I'd go with something a little sexier.

>>731602017
back peddling, the post.
you have a business card don't you?
all successful business men have one..

>>731591020
>Also americans have this fucked up social darwinistic view that whatever you get you deserve
Its true though. That is the mindset that made America great. Why should I pay for degenerate retards with my taxes?

Also, if you think I am speaking shit lets use the USSR as a case study. In the USSR education was absolutely free. Everyone had the opportunity to become an engineer, scientist, doctor, etc. There were no inner cities, and all schools were of comparable quality because they used a standardized system. All that kids needed to do was study and get good grades to have access to the best jobs. And yet, despite that, the USSR had a fuck ton of degenerates who could barely spell.

This effect is more pronounced in America. So yes, people only get what they earn.

>>731588170
Who said those who oppose Trump are all liberals. I'm as conservative as they come and I believe Trump will destroy this country as we know it. He has no ideological compass and truly listens to the last voice that spoke with him. Everything is negotiable to Trump to include our Constitutional rights. Finally, Trump plays everything up for the media to the extent that his trolling has severely damaged America's reputation as a guarantor of freedom across the world.

>>731602172
Oh right. Let me just post my business card. What could possibly go wrong. Fuck off idiot.
>>Hurrrr I'm going to declare victory because someone was smart enough NOT to expose themselves.

>>731591020
No its not working in Europe either. Look at France. France is buckling under the sheer amount of welfare it pays out to lazy Algerian asses who refuse to go to work. I don't blame them, when the monthly welfare cheque is greater than the salaries of most low-middle class people. Moreover, the French government is also thinking of transitioning to private healthcare because it cannot keep up and pay for their aging population and the lazy Algerian fucks who abuse the system.

The same problems persist in Germany, Belgium and other rich European states

>>731602464
Not to mention... he's also mentally unstable. I wouldn't trust him to run my Myspace account, and he's running our country.

>>731602583
standard answer. can't prove it, it must not exist.
you need to back up your claims child.
that's how the adult world works.
any businessman know that.

>>731587368
>It's been proven many times that the sarin attack was from Assad
>Syrian rebels are not Al-Qaeda. Many have joined ISIS/Al Qaeda because their families were getting massacred and the rebels were no receiving any substantial support from the US. Not intervening in Syria essentially created ISIS and Jabhat al-Nursa

>>731586996
Welcome newfriend. Learn about green text.

>>731602696
His tweets are like an angsty 15 year old who's upset that his parents won't let him go out with his stoner friends. Its truly disheartening that this is the man we turned to as our savior.

>>731587313
He posted a legitimate broken campaign promise and your response is "UR autistic!"

Sad

>>731593886
Jesus fuck, this! The dude's alienated every world leader he's met. Even Putin is distancing himself from Trump. Trump's done nothing but piss off half the world. It's almost impressive how inept he's been when it comes to international relations. He's been in power just over 100 days and managed to do this much damage to America's reputation.

Inb4 cuck, shillary, jealous eurocuck, etc.

>>731602956
no one care about the opinion of a twelve year old.

>>731603044
sure kid

>>731602956
Until they troll something that we all hate like the media or Congress or the political establishment itself. Then its all for the fucking lols

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>>731603140
Yawn

>>731603203
>>731603212
the best this generation has to offer.

>>731593886
He's tried to start a trade war with Canada while on the other hand, he allowed the President of China to propagandize his head with the idea that China has legit territorial claims on South Korea. Fucking outrageous.

>>731586397
A pity Americans as a while can't see that this guy is a full on populace that ego and want to be liked could allow then add a whole to get possitive change done. Instead they allow the soros to guide them to the brink of civil war off bs.

>>731602739
So predictable. That's fine pal. I honestly don't care if you believe me or not. Truth is... you don't care either. You're just a tryhard troll wasting your day away. Back to work for me.

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>>731603330

It's not that, it's that turnabout is always fair play.

It's not a good tactic, and it's not the target that makes it okay. It's that they used it first. And if you decide to play by some other, 'nicer' version of the rules than the one your opponent plays by, well, let me know how that works out for you.

You people and your sandbox understanding of morality. You are children raised on the simplistic morality of saturday morning cartoons. You're not quite old enough to 'get' why life can't work that way. If someone tries to kill me, I'm trying to kill them right back, whether killing is wrong or not. And if someone wants to destroy my livelihood for my opinions, I will destroy them for theirs. It's not 'no bad tactics, just bad targets', it's Tit-for-tat, and that's an entirely different thing.

It's the difference between self-defense and murder. They'll never stop until they get stung by this in a real way--until they are too terrified that they, too, might lose their jobs and careers to try to take any scalps of their own. That's how the world works. People don't do the right thing. They do what they think they can get away with. And if you sit there and take it like a fucking punk, they will never stop fucking you.

>>731603458
its getting worse.

Get a job and purchase your own healthcare you lazy fucks. This is what happens when the government gets involved in a matter that should be controlled by the free market.

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>>731603433
What the fuck you just say?

Wow. So you've got that one guy here in this thread replying to everyone as "kid" as his main form of insult or basis for argument. That's the best.

>>731603560
sure, kid

>>731603560
the context of one word escapes you.

>>731603537
You've still said literally nothing to dispute my claim. Can you demonstrate in any way whatsoever that my claim that Donald Trump has alienated numerous world leaders and hurt our reputation amongst the international community is false?

Anything at all?

>>731586476
Damn right I did.

GOP hates the ACA because it includes a 0.9% income tax on people earning $200,000 per year ($250K for couples). GOP attitude = "it's not my fault you were born w/o a trust fund"

So how's the way the orange guy is helping wall street and the wealthy working out for you who thought he cared about the working joe?

>>731586612
And you're just an ignorant ass wipe

>>731603537
Kid, sure

>>731586187
Just like how was Obamacare was forced down everyones throats. And were fined if you didnt want it, cause you already had insurance...

>>731587153
>Joining the ranks of all other first-world countries just wouldn't work in the US

Sounds about right.

Millions of your population are incarcerated, yo refuse to progress as a society, your deaths by shootings are impossibly high and you are "number one" in no statistics that matter. The rest of the world doesn't even take you seriously anymore with your dumbass president.

Face it Rome. Your empire is over.

>>731587403
Yup. And I'm gonna release my taxes, too. Oh, and I have PROOF Obama is not a,citizen. I'll release that soon.

How the fuck can his,supporters not see that he is a blatant serial liar!? Morons

>>731603719
you haven't proven anything kid.

>>731603775
You weren't fined if you were too poor to pay the fine, just if you decide not to get insurance. I don't see the issue with that model, as opposed to the republican model of letting companies inflate their premiums If you let your coverage lapse (after, what, just 60 days?)

>>731603970
He didn't say he had you illiterate fuck

>>731603736
no, we hate it because it sucks.
must be nice to be on mommies policy.

UH OH PEOPLE ARE ARGUING ABOUT POLITICS ON THE INTERNETSS!!!!!

>>731603928
salty tears.

>>731603970
So no, you can't. Why am I not surprised?

>>731604037
so we agree then he pulled his statement out of your ass then.

>>731587537
Wow! Sick comeback, Einstein!

(Mfw - high school dropout with a traitor's flag in his yard)

>>731604090
neither have you child.

>>731604041
Not that anon but I pay for my healthcare and my wife's without issue. Pretty affordable really. There are gaps that needed to be addressed but that didn't amount to a fundamental flaw in the structure of the system.

>>731604167
yours ain't so hot kid

>>731604127
Nope. He's right, he just never said his claims were "proof"

>>731604216
try $10,000 a year when it used to cost half that.

>>731604127
Putin, Merkel, Peña Nieto, Kim Jung Un, Assad, Hell he's even tried to start shit with Canada over milk exports or some shit.

>>731604359
Sucks but that's not my experience. Like I said, it needed reforms.

>>731604275
sure kid. he presented his opinion as fact.
lost on two accounts.
millenials no wonder they fail at life.

>>731604439
sure kid

>>731604504
How did he lose? Because you posted "sure kid" 11 times in response?

>>731604494
its getting reformed. permanently.

>>731604577
he was born a loser.

>>731592416
For those who can't. The GOP attitude is "why do I need to help you be healthy just because you were born without a trust fund"

>>731593654
This

Trumpies have NO stomach for defending the ignorant orange schmuck

>>731604596
Good luck with that. Republicans will own this disaster. Hell they didn't even LIKE the bill they passed, they just patted hemselves on the back for not looking ornamental for once and are waiting for the senate to fix the bill. Meanwhile trump throws a premature victory party because it's optics are better than actual victories (i.e. real laws)

>>731588805
> that last sentence


Oh the irony

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Poor people regret voting for a billionaire. lol

>>731589426
Leaf here

Rebel media much? Thats an absolute crunk of shit.

>>731604577
He's a trumper. Tell a lie enough times...

>>731604041
FYI- waited tables while earning my masters degree. I'm over 50 yo, kid

>>731604072
So insanely clever. Thanks for your contribution to reasoned discourse.