Can someone explain Republicans to me? >Tax cuts for the

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I mean the ideological mindset behind these plans is shifting responsibility away from the collective and on to the individual. This being done by reducing the tax burden (in theory for everyone) and cutting back on public services, allowing people to make their own decisions about what kind of health care they want to purchase or fund.

Their goal is to convince everyone else to work to keep making money for them so they can go to their vacation homes, and keep growing their money to pass on to their children.

You'll find republican politicians talk about "muh bootstraps" and stuff to working folks while they take multiple vacations a year on tax payer money.

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The environmental issue is one of prioritisation. Sure you could subsidise and prop-up inefficient renewable energy programs, or you could cut back and fund something more useful to the country. Potentially even fund research into renewables in order to make them more efficient and a valid choice in a free market.
(I'm not sure about the validity of renewables>coal especially once you consider the cost of land, maintenance and reliability)

They have the most naive and gullible base.

They actually think Trump is gonna bring back manufacturing jobs.

>>731568358
>epidemy
You can't even spell epitome right and you expect to understand politics..

>>731568718
He has... Business optimism and stocks all time high. btfo. gtfo shill.

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Tldr: "improving the country" doesn't just necessarily mean spending loads. That's why they want to close down loads of branches of government.

>>731568805

>thinks arguments are nullified by spelling mistakes
>hurrdurr i iz so smurt

>>731568358
Bad theory

>>731568899
Hey dumbass. You do realize the US manufactures more than ever? Jobs aren't coming back because of automation, and its only going to get worse.

>>731569040
Where did I claim the arguments were null? Simply stated that politics is much more difficult than spelling. If you can't spell simple vocab, then you shouldn't look to higher ed yet.

>>731569139
Optimism is up. Jobs have increased. You are whining about....? All I've seen is an upward trend. Maybe stop being so negative you kyking cuck

>>731569156
Okay sorry, I see your point. I honestly didn't think I'd get a civilized response. My bad.

>>731567556
Republican USED to mean
-Limited Government
-Tax cuts(REAL tax cuts not revenue neutral)
-Non-interventionslist foreign policy
Then sometime after Eisenhower and before Trump there was this slow movement of new "Republicans"(NeoCons) that now has the majority in congress and in public thought, caring more about the war on Christmas and blowing up every country in the Middle-East unnecessarily. True Republicans are hard to come by but are ideologically sound and bolster economies. What you seen as "Republicans" are not true Republicans.

>>731568358
In theory this sounds good but in reality it doesn't work quite so well. You're assuming that private insurance companies are completely honest and ethical, not the case. They naturally are driven by profit and competition, which means they try to find any possible loophole and fine print to deny your claims. I worked at an insurance company and we were taught to deny as many claims as possible, and to deny and delay claims for the most trivial technicalities, things like simple typos.

It's a less efficient and more costly system on both individuals and society as a whole. The results speak for themselves, the US has the most inefficient health system in the world, and health care is the number 1 cause of bankrupt pride in America. There are some things that government does better than private business.

>>731569296
*see

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>>731569044
What's wrong with treating people like adults that can make their own rational decisions?

>>731569266
Consumer spending is down. And you can keep calling people cucks and shills. Those trucking and manufacturing jobs won't be there in a decade.

>>731567556
>tax cuts for the rich = tax cuts for job creators
The rich don't keep most of their wealth in piles of cash, they invest it.

>global warming is probably a hoax because the solution is always to give up civil liberties and increase the power of the state. Even if it's not it doesn't matter, we could go carbon negative and India and China still would fuck us

>coal mined in the US is considered "clean" because we have much higher standards than the 3rd world. We might be able to use things like solar and deal with a 3x increase in electricity but by banning coal it just means billions of 3rd worlders start burning wood instead.

>>731569285
You're good. I mean this is /b/ and not /pol/ so you should expect the troll responses. I wasn't trying to be a dick necessarily

>>731569296
Trump nearly gave John fucking Bolton high end positions. Idiots like him will bankrupt our country while bombing the shit out of countries that don't harm us. Bolton still thinks Iraq was a success.

>>731567556
Youre an idiot. Do research

>>731567556
Millions of under-educated, unemployed rural folk remember the days when they could be paid six figures to work monotonous, labor-intensive jobs. Most of that work has been replaced by cheaper robots and offshore workers. Rich old politicians lie to these people and say that they can bring these jobs back. Being under-educated, they believe it and vote for them.

>>731569357
Those won't be there but there will sure be a hell of a lot more jobs for AMERICANS and not the immigrants Obummer was pandering to. Economy getting better = more jobs created

>>731568703
Ultimately divestment now will require heavier future investment into research renewable sources as american fossil fuels become more and more scarce. Developing path dependence for fossil fuels is a dangerous path to take as we've seen lots of civilizations crumble in the past due to unsustainable management of finite resources

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>>731569341
Fair point.
Although I'm not entirely sure about America being the worst.
Here in Britbong land the NHS is pretty shitty and taking up about 250-300 billion of our 750 billion budget annually. Demanding more and more as our ageing population grows and immigration goes up. I don't know enough about the American insurance system but I feel like fixing that may be better than universal health care.

>>731567556
Wut are u? Libcuck?

>>731569602
Nope. Jobs are just going away in general. Trump promises more oil jobs? Its not regulations killing the oil jobs, its Saudi fuckery.

BTW, even when the oil industry bounces back, you won't have any jobs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-24/robots-are-taking-over-oil-rigs-as-roughnecks-become-expendable

Face it, the economy is evolving. Professional youtubing is the future economy, not no education manufacturing or physical labor.

>>731569341
But they don't have to be. If private insurance companies were truly in an open market then both quality of insurance and diversity of insurance would go up while bringing the cost of healthcare down significantly. What we've had in the recent past has NOT been a free market. Since the 1960s the healthcare system has been government subsidised and put under certain restrictions that prevent companies from competing outside of their state borders. That's why you normally only have one-two insurance providers per state and THAT'S why you've got such shitty coverage options and high premiums. They can charge whatever they want because there's no competition. The answer is NOT to add further government restrictions on healthcare companies, it's the opposite. Less restrictions=more diverse/cheap/higher quality healthcare.

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>>731567556
>How is that not the epidemy of evil?
>epidemy

>>731568900
but give 50 billion to the military and build a 20 million dollar wall. But no of course, big bird is too expensive

>>731567556
>Tax cuts for the rich by throwing millions of health insurance.
insurance companies are nearing bankruptcy this is why Iowa lost every single ombamacare provider. Insurance is the company betting you wont get sick to make a profit, it isn't a piggy bank. This is why my premiums have gone from 160 a month to 540 and my friend's family plan went from 500 to 1700 a month.

>Removing all environmental protections to save a few bucks, putting everyone's health at risk and speeding up global warming.
it can take over 7 years to repair or build a bridge because the epa has to issue hundreds of permits that costs hundreds of thousands to apply for. we cant build needed infrastructure because a grasshopper is within 500 miles of a septic tank
also the FDA send assault rifle toting swat teams to amish farms because they dared to sell raw milk to their knowledgeable neighbors.

>Trying to bring back coal.
fraction of the cost? it takes a 16x16 solar panel 18 hours of straight perfect sunlight to match the energy production of a handful of coal. you know nothing of energy, if you wanted a real world reduction of coal then go ask for thorium or standard nuclear power plants.

>>731569044
insurance costs are so bloated due to illogical practices like the Emergency Room policy, not really a realistic option

>>731567556
https://youtu.be/utX-8-dDwik

>>731569493
I know, those are the "Republicans" that are paid off by the military-industrial complex and have been initiating pointless wars in the Middle East and Trump is currently shilling for them, I agree with you.

>>731569381
Coal is being phased out by simple economics. Natural gas is cheaper and easier to transport because you can send it by pipe instead of having to shovel it and drive it across the country in a truck. Same reason trains today are diesel and not running on coal powered steam anymore. Plus no one wants to live next to a coal plant and get lung cancer - no one. These low IQ people and coal miners who think they're losing their jobs because of some climate conspiracy are delusional, and even more retarded for thinking Trump will help them in any way.

>>731567556
because he's not a nigger

OBAMA TEARS

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>>731569657
>finite fossil fuels
We have been running out of oil since the 70s but that's just not how the price mechanism works. As our current oil reserves deplete the price of oil rises, increasing the amount of money companies are willing to spend drilling for oil thus increasing our oil reserves.
However, I agree becoming completely dependant on it is a bad idea who says renewables or oil are the only two options?
Nuclear energy is best energy tbh.

>>731569782
There will always be a need for physical labor. Why automate that shit? You really think we can program robots to be creative in certain situations? Yes, AI is getting bigger and better than ever, but nothing will beat good, hardworking, labor.

PS. Once we automate everything, we will be living in the matrix and humans will serve no purpose but to power the grid.

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Are you saying this would have been a better choice?

>>731569381
Thanks Putin.
But seriously, this is the dumbest shit I have heard in 3 decades.
Why would coal mined in the US be magically cleaner than coal mined elsewhere? Would you care to invent some part of the coal mining process that magically makes coal that comes from US arbitrary boundaries full of less carbon than coal from Canada or Mexico? No one is stupid enough to believe you.
Energy from the fucking SUN is now cheaper and cleaner than any fossil fuel.
Suck a baker's dozen of dicks.
ALSO solar and wind energy now employ more people than fossil fuels in the US.
Suck another metric ton of wrinkly coin purses.

>>731570016
Obama tears? Obama doesn't give a fuck right now. He already won both terms and can't run anymore. He just got back from a month long vacation in hawaii. Obama doens't give a FUCK right now. Tears? lolpls

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>>731569825
I ain't defending Trump I'm defending the ideal republican mindset.
Trump is still a moron.

>>731567556
epidemy, EPIDEMY, EP ID EM Y

fuck it, i'm done. Cash me ousside bitches

>>731570094
"but nothing will beat good, hardworking, labor."

Famous words repeated throughout history

>>731570094
Because workers are expensive. And its safer to have robots.

Make no mistake. Every company wants more profit, and salaries and paychecks are the biggest and easiest obstacle to higher profits. Why else do you think we outsource or get illegal workers so much?

Because you get to pay shit wages.

Once trucking and driving become automated, you don't have to pay a trucker 40,000 usd a year. You just buy a 25000 usd computer and then boom, you profit much faster.

>>731570329
but you see how flawed the idea of decreasing spending is when our military spending makes up the largest chunk and is more or less left out of the debate

>>731569803
>believes in the free market meme

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>>731569381
>The rich don't keep most of their wealth in piles of cash, they invest it.

Except they basically DO keep it in piles. Most of the Worlds cash isn't being circulated in a way that benefits the public. They might invest the first portion of the money they make, but everything after that is stacked away no matter the excess amount. That means whether they pay high or low taxes they'll basically invest the same amount.

Trickle down has been exposed as a blatant lie years ago

>>731567556
> epidemy

stopped reading since you're obvious illiterate amerifat. can't take any argument you make seriously.

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>>731570526
Oh yeah I see it.
But I also see how the media goes around parading pictures of Syrian children being gassed on the street and calling for the US to intervene and then get all pissy when they do.
They still stoopid tho

>>731570668
Trickle down DOES work. Look at how much richer China has gotten in the last few decades

>>731568900
>branches of government
No. No, you bloody fool.

>>731570476
You definitely have a point, but for now, we need these jobs to bring optimism back and to motivate people for the time being.
We outsource our jobs to other countries for jack shit, yea, but that is exactly what Trump is trying to stop. This is America. We need to help Americans, and until automation is perfected, physical labor will triumph.

>>731569156
Fallacy fallacy.

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>>731570571
>believes in limitless borrowing/public spending meme

>>731570089
Very flawed argument, as gas prices go up, the resource will become less economically viable as renewables will continue to become cheaper and cheaper as new technology is developed. My argument against fossil fuels is the same as my argument against nuclear, we should really try to avoid exhausting finite resources. Especially as elements like uranium and plutonium could be integral in the construction of future technologies. Ultimately, there is an argument for fossil and nuclear energy development that is valid, but as a society it would be wise to reject it as it is very shortsighted

They're straight up sociopaths with only their own self-interest in mind. /thread

>>731568805
One grammatical error doesn't diminish a person's argument.

Usually fags (like yourself) tend to point out spelling when they've run out of things to say.

So I guess a /thread is in order

/thread

>>731570015
Trains in developed western nations are electric

>>731567556
Trying to reason with a trump supporter is no different than with a feminist, they both are bat shit insane.

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>>731570769
I don't know what you classify the EPA across the pond, apologies.

>>731569296
No true Scotsman.

>>731570863
Claiming there is a "fallacy fallacy" without showing why.

>>731570950
Not that guy but you're a pretentious douschebag.
I think a "shut up faggot" is in order.
Shut up faggot.

>>731571031
Does he have to? Once you say the word "fallacy" you win the debate.

>>731569352
see
>>731569341

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>>731570950
OP is an idiot. He has no idea what a Republican is or stands for and is trying to get the information on /b/, don't try to play the bigger man here you fuckwad.

lots of sore losers in this thread. when will you fags suck it up and accept that you've lost control of ALL branches of government? whatever. i guess i can't expect that kind of common sense/maturity from liberals, of all types of people.

>>731570571
Well just think of it this way, believe it or not we actually HAD hospitals BEFORE 1965. Most of them were run by churches where doctors made $3 an hour and people without insurance were actually charged the least(compared to today where they're charged the most) and still nobody was denied service if they didn't have insurance. How did these magical hospitals run without government intervention making sure people with pre-existing conditions had insurance despite the fact that nobody wanted to insure them? I prefer to think it was the free market at work.

It reeks of reddit in this thread.

>>731570015
Most of the power you get is from coal powered power plants. Also Coal is used for a lot more than you think. Did you know we buy all our iron from other countries? We no longer have any smelting plants in the US. FYI steel is made from iron and iron is smelted from iron ore.

>>731570890
Fam you didn't even get my argument. I was saying that you're underestimating the longevity of our coal and oil resources. Also prices for oil haven't even been rising (I think) in fact they're at all time lows.
>short sighted
What is your definition of short sighted? There is so much untapped uranium, enough to last us several hundred years.

>>731571256
They are sending the university students and redditers here to spread cancer. Anything to shit on DJT.

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>>>/pol/
>>>/trash/

>>731571013
Well not really, "Paleocons"(Old Conservatives) believe in traditional conservative principles(limited govt, non-interventionalist).
"Neocons"(New Conservatives) believe in pre-emptive war and increased spending.

So there is an actual split among Republicans, it's not a "no true scotsman" fallacy if you're differentiating between Scotsmen and Irishmen.

>>731571184
>when will you fags suck it up and accept that you've lost control of ALL branches of government?
are you like 8 years old?
nobody cares about 'sucking it up' because not everyone who is critical does so out of some resentment of who won. some didn't participate and never cared and pointed at both parties in mockery.
others were actually on the Trump side and now regret it
and, yes, some are butthurt liberals
but even if those criticizing were all butthurt liberals,
that doesn't invalidate the argument, logic is logic,
trying to deflect it by attacking motives or emotions is the tactic an 8-year old uses because he lacks the brainpower to distinguish
logic from feels
so keep evading logic, maybe a few other retards will clap their hands in agreement with you
(I know, accuse me of being a butthurt liberal, maybe that'll shut me up!)

I know it's not as black and white as I think of it, but I support the fuck out of tax cuts on the rich.

It's become norm now that once a republican president goes into office, stocks tend to go up immediately because companies know there's going to be tax breaks. And on top of that, no poor/middle class people are providing jobs. The only people who supply jobs are CEO's that run companies at the best of their ability, and tax cuts help that shit.

TL;DR, middle class and poor fags don't do shit for me but Rich ones do.

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>>731571514
>"logic"x4
>this post
I'm glad Spock isn't around to see this tbqhfamalam.

>>731571321
Yes we can continue to suck every well we find dry but ultimately these processes have impacts, and so far, modern societies haven't done a very good job at cleaning up after them selves. Tar sands have been "mined" since the 60s and so far the companies responsible have done very little to restore the lands. And before you say "oh those are in northern canada, who needs restorations" remember that boreal forests sequester far more carbon than equatorial and temperate forest. That ecosystem is potentially the most important naturally occuring active carbon sink. Having those intact will help us combat AGW.
I also am not opposed to nuclear energy, I simply wanted to state that, it is depletable, and it is an extractive, and thus it is not quite as ideal as renewables are

>>731571514
actually i just made an inflammatory post to get a good reaction, thanks homie. no hate here

>>731571774
>>731571514
>"logic"x4
implying liberals know how to use logic...

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Read any basic economic book
Then read the Democrat bible
It'd easy to see the free market is best.

Any one who disagrees is either doing mind gymastics or have made some extreme hypothetical situations

>>731571774
10/10

>>731571924
This grammar read like ruski

>>731569803
I'm a self-proclaimed liberal cuck, but I would very much like to see somebody liberal respond to this with a serious counter argument instead of just dismissing it blindly.

Can you link to articles that discuss insurance competition and its possible effect on the industry?

>>731571246
>run by church
>free market
You do know that the church was just doing religious socialized medicine instead of government socialized medicine right?

>>731572012
Government won't fund for a better touch screek for my phone. It's their fault , I need compensation.

>>731572138
jah feels

>>731569829
>EPA
Because fuck the environment? Do you not know how the environment works? You kill that grasshopper, you fuck up the entire ecosystem.
>FDA
>knowledgeable neighbors
You mean backwards rednecks? I lived in the country before. Those people don't know shit.

>>731572450
Word. For every knowlegeable landowning steward there are six retarded cousins living on trailers in a back corner of the property who just want to do meth and shoot guns.

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>>731572450
>backwards rednecks
Ah, the old "rural and suburban retard" trope.
>I lived in the country before
Yeah you didn't.

>>731567556
1. "The wealth of nations" by Adam Smith
-----the enlightenment era happened for a reason, you would be smart/wise to learn from it.

>>731572450
Time stamp with every economic book in your library

>>731572136
If you choose to give money to it it's not socialized medicine, it's charity. The difference is that a religious organization doesn't have any of the restrictions or proprietary obligations to insurance companies that governments do. While the government decreases competition by increasing barriers to entry, religious organizations have no such power and are under no such obligation. And that wasn't all hospitals, just a large portion. Now it would probably be run almost exclusively by private companies.

>>731571924
There is no "free market" and the irony of that system is eventually you are left with just one giant company that runs everything and has bought out all competition. Which is as far from a free society as you can get. The real world requires a combination of private and public services.

>>731569803
Less restrictions=more diverse/cheap/higher quality healthcare.

Except that doesn't really happen. We live in a new global world. Where international super companies work together to carve out sectors of the market and non-compete to drive up prices. Because Open market only works if there is a low entry cost for competition to enter the market and with super companies having such sophisticated infrastructure, they can manufacture or provide services at a cost so cheap only other international super companies could compete. So they've locked down the market and there is nothing you can do but not buy the product (which works for iPhones, but not for life saving medicine).
So less restrictions just means more ways for them to exploit the market.
Companies are driven by one thing. Profit. They live and die by providing more profit to their shareholders. And they will lie, cheat, and steal to get it. So why would you want to give them MORE freedom to do that?

Government is built on politicians wanting to get re-elected. In theory this means you have power, ESPECIALLY if you organize voting groups and show politicians there are real ramifications for voting against its voters interests.
Then you have an organization that is working for your best interest and using the collective money of millions of taxpayers to barter better prices than any individual could get from a company.
Insurers can bully your $5 out of you. Because you need insurance more than they need your $5.
But put your $5 together with 300 million other people and companies will fight for a piece of that.

>>731567556

It's all about making themselves and their extremely rich friends wealthier and wealthier. They could give a fuck about the 99%, or the environment or anything else.

That really seems to be the whole thing in a nutshell.

so whats the verdict was this health care passing a good thing or what

>>731568805
Youre the real idiot

>>731572893
False. read some ayn rand
The free market will always fix all, it sometimes takes longer then some would like. Assume "fixing" the issue is what people want

>>731573033
Good , but the super poor may not like it, but they are such a small percentage it shouldnt matter

>>731573233
what about the middle class

>>731573000
Honest to god, I am not reading that book.
Feelings shouldn't dictate policy.
Everything can be fixed with the free market
People don't like something? They don't buy it, that company is forced to change or go out of buisness.
It's as simple as that...

>>731573306
Only ppl making 200k a year and insurance companies benefit from this plan.

People 20 - 35ish MAY benefit, but because no one took the time to actually analyze this plan, it's a complete gamble.

Old people, disabled, and ppl with preexisting conditions are fucked. And poor are fucked.

>>731573153
Lol Rand, are you retarded?

>>731570150
I'm the liberal cuck, again.
Could you provide citations?

This is ez OP

>educated
Studies show most libertarians and liberals have bachelor's degrees, and use their obtained skillsets in making political choices.

>uneducated
Studies show most Republicans don't have bachelor's degrees. Many got their education going into hard labor. Unfortunately, that doesn't teach them about the american national government, economics, political sciences, western civ histories, etc., basically they have to teach themselves and we all know how flawed that can be. (Looking at you internet)

For reference:
http://www.people-press.org/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/

>>731573306
It's a win for 80%
There will be a small number that will be stuck without any affordable health insurance, but generally those will be entry level jobs for small buisnesses. Which means the person could leave and find an equal or better job with insurance somewhere else fairly easy.

>>731573387
Everything can't be fixed with the free market because the free market (and capitalism in general) is based on the assumption that humans make rational decisions.

Kahneman and Tversky proved that they don't from the 1960s onwards.

And since then psychology and MRIs have backed up their theories.

Free market is great. But you need government policy to buffer it and make sure that it doesn't destroy itself.

Also if you don't believe me, explain depressions and stock market crashes. Mathematically (based on pure rationality) they should never occur in a free market system.

>>731573500
>>731573621

thanks, just gotta see how it plays out i guess since the libertards jimmies have already been rustled and nothing has taken affect yet.

i heard if you had some small healthcare in the past then you're automatically denied so the job might not even be the problem

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>itt experts in the fields of economics and insurance utilize their Thu'ums to minimal effect

>>731573724

Right now if you have had preexisting conditions you get coverage no matter what.

This bill let's states pull out of that (so it will prob only apply in conservative states)

They earmarked 8billion for those states to help deal with taking care of those people in the short-term

After 3 or so years that money will be gone. And if you are in one of those states with a preexisting condition, you won't get coverage.

Meaning all the fat fucks who voted for trump and support this policy will probably die. Ironic and sad.

>>731573603
That's a bullshit stat...
Compare the income level between democrats and republicans.
Theres a Prague university video/article on it somewhere
Republicans make a lot more then democrats. Why?
Democrats go to college to get garbage degrees. Next time your on campus find an organic chemistry class and see if you can find more then 2 democrats: you can't because they avoid hard sciences like the plague.

>>731570750
Beautiful rockets, though.

>>731570758
An authoritarian, collectivist government is the model of free market capitalism?

>>731573387
>People don't like something? They don't buy it, that company is forced to change or go out of buisness.
>It's as simple as that...

Doesn't work that way with healthcare - a necessary purchase for, gee, I don't know, life? And one that is so expensive and complex as to disallow "better" companies from entering the market.

Are you legitimately retarded or just trolling?

>>731573901
prove it

>>731573987
No. We outsourced all of our jobs their and the wealth trickled down to china

>>731573673
I guess you need to define what we are measuring as "quality of life".....
Is happiness what you are meauring? Because that's a very liberal way of measuring the economy.

>>731573895
Those people should have saved up. It's their fault they can't afford the treatment. No one else should have to pay for it. Why should others support those who failed to prepare?

>>731573901
Almost anyone in an organic chemistry class is going to be a democrat. Mainly because republicans think science is made up and fake.

You would have to be an idiot to vote for a party who thinks your profession is fake.

Or you know, just go to one of those science marches that keep happening and see all the chemistry students/grads with terrible chemistry in-jokes making fun of trump.

Republicans think all of biology is fake, and all of chemistry is fake. Global warming doesn't exist. Don't need to prevent disease outbreaks (this bill cuts funding for the CDC's prevention of pandemics and bioterrorism). Gays are just made up. Neuroscience isn't real. Etc.

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>>731570015

>>731570967

You are both right/wrong.
They are diesel-electric.

>>731571031
You claimed the validity of his point was on question due to a spelling mistake, despite not responding to the crux of his argument.

>>731573153
>False, read shitty parables

>>731567556
You answered your own question,
Its not for you if you're wondering why.

>>731571123
>>731571031
Samefag

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>>731574181
>military tech drives almost all practical advancements in science
>"lol dumb republicans can't into 9000 genders"
k

>>731567556
It's the prosperity gospel. All the things that people wish they could have for themselves and inflict on other people; people's own self interests do not matter, because they think that they'll get all the nice things they deserve. The Republican party went to shit after/because of Reagan.

>>731567556
>epidemy

d...de...democrats are more edumucated.
faggot. commit suicide.

>>731574134
Get some cancer faggot

>>731574015
If the healthcare providers were forced to compete you wouldn't have these sky high prices...
You ever pay for a major surgery without health care?
My torn shoulder tendon cost me $16,000(total). The room alone through insurance was $30,000 (lone peak surgical center, utah).
These people rape the insurance companies.

>>731574134
Fair point.
But if you take that mentality then you're saying if a poor family has a child with a costly disease they should just kill the child.

Of if your mom happens to contract a rare condition that costs twice as much as you have saved up for, she should just die.

Additionally from an economics perspective, we want people to spend money. Not store it in a bank. Investing it would mean theres a risk of it going up or down (so not good if you're saving for an emergency as you may end up losing money). If everyone just saved half their income for their entire life, the American economy would become significantly weaker.

Remember, even Trump justified giving the banks the ability to screw people over with loans, because increased spending can lead to economic growth.

>>731571309
Not anymore. Coal has been replaced by nat. gas.

>>731573387
>People don't like something? They don't buy it, that company is forced to change or go out of buisness.

This only works for non-essential products.
For essential products like health insurance or medical procedures you buy it or die.
If you need a treatment, and it costs you $100,000, but only really costs the company $500 and the rest is extreme inflation to gouge you out of your money. You can't protest that cost. You sell your house and pay for it or die.
Maybe you'll argue that another competitor will step in to compete. But it's far more profitable for most healthcare companies to just make agreements that I won't undercut you in your spine medication if you don't compete against me on my joint medication. And they all walk away with our money. And we can't protest because we want to live. And we can't compete because we don't have the billions in startup cash needed to develop technology, manufacturing, and distribution on a global scale.

Free market was great 200 years ago when if some asshole was charging $10,00 for a chair, I could just go out to the woods, chop down a tree, and build some chairs cheap to compete against him. But I can't just build a walmart competitor. I can't just startup a competitor to a pharma-company, or telecom giant. And organization is far easier on their end because there are usually only a couple competitors in any field at the top. While there are billions of us in a global market.

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>>731568358
YOU CAN'T FUND YOUR OWN HEALTH INSURANCE IF YOU SUDDENLY GET A DEATHLY DISEASE.

YOU GET CANCER, YOUR LITTLE TRUST FUND ISN'T GOING TO COVER IT.

NO COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY PRIVATIZED MEDICINE.

YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED.

LITERALLY RETARDED.

>>731574491
Not everywhere, and not even close.

>>731571321
Libcuck again.
Nuclear is the way to go.

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>>731574181
False again.
I have taken multiple organic chemistry classes. These people laugh at the snowflakes

>>731574538

/thread

>>731571495
That's a fair point. You should have led with the "paleo-" line.

>>731574642
>/threading your own post
Sad.
>inb4 MSpaint madskillz

>>731574538
/thread

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>>731567556
repubs pretend to care about christianity and values but they really only care about:

preserving white power
fucking with libs

>>731574606
Then their legitimately stupid?
Climate change has been determined to be real through the scientific method.

Republicans think it's a chinese scam.

You can't science in one area and then not science in another area.

>>731571000
I'm not the guy who quoted you, but there are three branches of government: executive, legislative, and judicial.

Also the proposed tax changes (like the cut on pass-through taxes) would cost the federal government an enormous amount of money over the next 10 years. Don't even pretend that the government can make that money back by the "yuuuuuge" growth that will come from the pass-through tax cut

>>731574462
Economics is not a nice thing...the market doesn't have feelings. It just has supply and demand...
Even though it might suck for some- it's only right to let those who have failed to prepare to fall.
And if that's me- it's on me. I should have worked harder.I should have started my own business. I should have taken out loans to get a few more degrees. Fuck, maybe I should have picked a degree I could monotize.

>>731571545
>no poor/middle class people are providing jobs

Small businesses.

>>731574642
>>731574816
Samefaggotry.

>>731574830
No one argues the existence of climate change, but people argue the cause of it.

>>731574741

Not my post m8
some other anon.

>>731574820
Is this a problem or something?

>>731571849
Somebody respond to this.

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>>731574859

Where's this faggots tard-watcher

>>731574535
I see you're point however....

But what if the people...just died...
The price would eventually have to drop- otherwise the company would go out of business or change.
Could you imagine how fast cancer treatment costs would drop if no one bought into it for 5 years?

>>731575013
That took a while.
What app are you using?

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>>731569296
Why would Republicans want limited government if they continually wage war on other countries?

Do they not realize a giant military is basically the government imposing itself on other countries?

I mean, this subject is basically enough for an entire thread on its own.

>>731574911
Only idiots argue the cause of it....
You have to be blind or completely ignorant to not recognize that cutting down millions of carbon storage units (trees), and releasing a shit ton of other things into the atmosphere, isn't a problem.

It's like if I started a fire in a room, and smoke started rising to the ceiling.

And them then someone's like "why did you start a fire"

And I argued "I didn't... the environment naturally created that smoke. you can't prove it was me. ... ..... la la la la la la la la la la la la"

>>731575093
Whatever he is using is broken.
Not samefagging.

>>731575122
Dick waving.

Remember when people wanted Trump because he would keep us out of the middle east? That narrative is gone. Now they want war. These people are insane.

>>731569381
>>tax cuts for the rich = tax cuts for job creators
>The rich don't keep most of their wealth in piles of cash, they invest it.

You actually BUY that bullshit?

yeah, they invest it in stocks and trust funds that only benefit themselves.

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>>731575071
>implying it's better if we just let people die
>implying for a 5 year period millions of people wouldn't utilize treatment necessary to live

You retarded m8

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>>731575231
What part of "I would bomb the shit out of them?" sounds like staying out of the middle east to you?

>>731575127
Spend some time on Google scholar. Look at the P values. And come back to me.

>>731575122
More military=/=more government.
Having a strong military is not the same thing as overwhelming government influence in your day to day life.

>>731575093
One that meets my standards to the point where I can point out retards in the comfort of my own bed.
Didn't know it was a race Speedy McGee

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>>731574606
>makes claims about democrats and science
>uses anecdotal "evidence" to back up claim

am i do a sience right?

>>731567556
Because right wingers seriously believe that the Marxists, globalists and multiculturalists are out to "get them", so in response they elected an narcissistic moron as president because he was "anti-establishment". These are the voters

The republicans on the other hand, is a clique of wealthy people with a lot of power, and they would like to keep it that way. Also, the fact that pretty much everyone is owned by some company or some billionaire coupled with the fact that they don't really give two fucks about regular people.

It leads to wonderful legislation like "pizza is a vegetable"

>>731575362
Yeah, sure.

Not your own life, just the lives of other country's people.

>>731574843
An economist (I am one btw) would argue that by providing healthcare to your entire population, you increase the value of your workforce, which in turn increases your GDP and global competitiveness.

In other words, taking care of the sick is economically beneficial.

There are numerous -long- and boring reasons why. But think of like 100 people. If you get the plague in your country and 50 of them die (or become unable to work) you now have half the workforce. Further, the ppl who are now unable to work may resort to theft and crime. While police can handle some crimes, you need social policies to create safe environments (unless you just kill the homeless). So now you have to spend money on welfare programs, so the 50 ppl who do work aren't getting mugged or shot in the street.

See the line of logic?

That's why most countries with high GDPs have some form of free healthcare, and why failed economies tend to have no healthcare.

>>731575380
Why is there a mirror in bed with you?

>>731575381
How many examples does it take for one to not be anecdotal?
Go see for yourself. Trump going to be doing a tour soon, maybe follow him and hit up the colleges on the way.

>>731568703
Solar now costs less per Kwh after just a short time than coal. The only reason coal and american oil is still pushed as hard as Trump wants it to be is because many of the USA's top billionaires and corporations have poured investment into it to keep the cost low for the future, if solar and otger renewables drowned coal power production out that investment would be for nothing. However solar continues to become most cost effecient to the point that it is still cheaper than these huge coal operations but that doesnt suit the richfags who backed the wrong energy technology, the primary beneficiaries of Trump's energy policy.

>>731575237
THIS
They invest it in eachother, and have a circle jerk while continuing to collect more and more wealth.

Small business, the core and back bone of the middle class, is too risky an investment, so they don't invest in it. They would rather invest in large companies that are already succeeding and will most likely continue to.

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>>731573387
The single most idiotic thing I've read on this website. Holy shit. Bravo.
>inb4 you didn't respond to my argument
You didn't respond to the guy above, either.

Wud is a clid?

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>>731575451

>>731575466
I don't care about other country's people.

>>731575575
You have a small brain.

>>731575642
For you.

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>Trumpfags mad their "God Emperor" is doing the opposite of what he said he'd do
>All they can do is call everyone cucks

>>731575609
Maybe you'll rethink that when YOU are overrun by an army from another country, like, say, Russia.

>>731573000
Well I was talking about our healthcare policy, but if you want to talk about pharmaceutical problems there are plenty of those too. The reason why companies are able to carve out entire sectors of the healthcare market and monopolize certain medicines is precisely because of the restrictions and barriers to entry we've placed on the entire healthcare market. For example, two major barriers to entry for people wanting tot get to work on fighting diseases is being both adequately "qualified" through medical school(avg $200,000,6-8 years of school) and having access to highly specialized equipment, which is normally only accessible(legally) through government approved lfacilities. If we didn't have such unnecessarily high educational and financial barriers on just getting your qualifications alone(most of which is unnecessary graduate school work getting training) then we'd have independent biotech firms
1. hiring people with qualifications THEY deem "necessary" to do their job(which is normally following orders from head chemist) and
2. renting out equipment from tech equipment firms(who now also have jobs making tech equipment) meaning they don't have to buy their own equipment

Our government requiring firms to hire employees with certain qualifications is the biggest barrier to entry that we have in the biotech market today. If people didn't have to go to college and could go to trade school or get independently qualified without having to go to med school the barrier to entry for disease research goes down tremendously. If there is financial demand for a product and the barriers to entry are low enough(which parmaceuticals should be no exception), then there will always be a company or individual there to innovate and drive up competition.

(Chem major, so I have a particular bone to pick with this issue. Also nice trips)

>>731575609
That's fine. Most Republicans don't even care about most Americans. Hence why they supported the drug war, and now this shitty healthcare bill.

>>731573033
Bad. Nobody reviewed the bill before it passed, and those that did, hated it. Except the ultra neoliberals.

>>731575698
Guess we'll never know, since I have a large military.

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>>731575499
Top quality insult, wouldn't expect anything less

>>731575523
More than one would be a start.

>>731570145
That's a textbook strawman argument.
And even if she was worse, (she wasn't) that doesn't mean Trumpcare is any better.

>>731575790
Ignorant thinking. If I was a terrorist, I'd sneak into your house or job while you're not expecting and just execute you for your ignorance.

Think about that for a bit.

>>731575714
Kind of like how Clinton didn't care about blacks, since he enacted legislation that put disproportionate numbers of them in prison on drug charges in the 90's.

>>731575965
But she carries hot sauce in her purse

>>731575642
i'm sorry but the law says legally you have to call him a nigger

>>731575790
Quit being a faggot.

>>731575925
>sneak into my place of employment
Please try.
>sneak into my home
Try this next.

>>731575965
Lmao i don't give two shits about Clinton. Fuck them. But seeing as how you can do nothing but deflect, I assume you don't disagree.

>>731575071
>But what if the people...just died...
>The price would eventually have to drop- otherwise the company would go out of business or change.

Not everyone is in the same boat. For some $100k is Saturday spending money and they'd pay it to live in a heartbeat. For others it's your life savings and retirement and spending it would essentially lock you into a future of slavery where you work for a company to continue living. And some would just not afford it and die.
So the price wouldn't drastically drop. Because the market is uncaring. It just wants profit. So it would drop the price to the exact amount where it can lock the maximum number of people into a slavery lifestyle and drain everything it can from them. The rest would just die.

But why would you want to choose that option?

Why would the majority of people want a system that fucks them over and only benifits a small select few pharma and essential service companies?
Why wouldn't we instead put our money into a collective. A collective that has a select few leaders who can negotiate with our billions/trillions of dollars to get pharma and essential service companies to bid to provide us what we need for access to some of those billions/trillions of dollars. Then we force real competition in the marketplace because we are organized and the companies have to bid to get our big money.
And that collective is exactly what a government healthcare program is supposed to be.

>>731576007
Wrong Clinton.
Fucking kids I swear.

>>731567556
Democraps push healthcare only to boost their investments in certain insurance companies.
Republicans promote the entire healthcare industry, knowing it's all vital US business.

Democraps promote foreign relations only when it's in their personal interest, refuse to get along with Russia etc.
Republicans promote worldwide relationships knowing it will benefit US and not just their party.

Democraps promote gay queer agenda, black agenda, whatever agenda gets them votes without actually doing anything for them.
Republicans invite these people to their party to speak up and progress themselves with them. While actually maintaining a core value system themselves not just whatever is good at he time.

>>731569156
I suffer from dyslexia. Does that mean I don't understand politics? I mean, I've made quite a number of grammatical errors in my time.

>>731576050
I thought they were born that way.
Make up your mind.

>>731575478
I see your logic, and it''s fair.
But one would easily argue that someone could turn those homeless and thieves into some kind of profitable business.
Or at the very least, their teeth could be used for aquarium gravel.
I believe theirs a statistic out there that would show that even though America pays the most per person, America is always the leaders in the field because of the freeish market (Japan does alright to I guess)

I am sure as an economist you know every argument a feelingless-principled-ayn-rand reader could come up with , with every point you make
But it comes back down to the long term , how many years are we talking? Short term, yes- bandaid that up , save the feelings. But long term...the free market should smooth it out - or at least increase everyone's QoL greater then it would be with government regulations. QoL is arguable I know...

>>731576114
Didn't you hear? According to Brietshit news, hillary clinton is just bill clinton in a woman skin suit. LIZARDMEN!!!!! damn sheeple

>>731576114
But she carried hot sauce in her purse

>>731574535
Oldfag here.

Please tell me you, at the very least, have a minor in economics. If not I'm going to have to fly to where you are and suck your dick.

Seriously though, great arguments in a very concise and to the point wording.

I've majored in economics and you did me proud. Thank you anon. +100.000 internets to you.

>>731576082
>deflect
Think whatever you want, it's not like it matters outside of here.

>>731567556
Epitome you fucking retard

>>731574134
>People born with treatable, but life threatening diseases.

Sources say: Donald Trump Is Mexican.

>>731576149
It does mean you should lose your right to vote however...

>>731567556

Are you retarded?

>Tax cuts for the rich
You realize the middle class is getting their taxes cut as well, correct? As well as small business owners and people who are self employed?

>global warming, coastlines floating, bla bla bla
Global warming is a slow process. Even if sea levels rose by an entire two feet it would take YEARS for that to happen, rising only millimeters each year. You could easily counter this by either building a tiny sea wall or just moving away and investing in more inland real estate.

>coal
Coal mining is a job that tons of people do across the US and there are ways to burn coal that is more environmentally friendly. Trump even talked about burning cleaner coal in his debate with Hillary, but you forgot that part since all you heard was "I wanna pollute the oceans and kill everyone."

In conclusion: The reason why nothing Republicans do 'impresses you' is because you don't even pay attention to what they say and you don't think beyond what you're told by Occupy Democrats on Facebook.

>>731576211
>only MY news source is accurate
Pleb.

So since just about everything is considered a pre-existing condition in the new healthcare bill, what does that mean for the obese Republicans?

>>731574044
"Trickle down" is referring to the salary of workers, not just the proliferation of jobs and raising the GDP, fool.

Once again, in collectivist governments, that revenue is literally forced to trickle upwards.

Donald Trump is my lord and savior.

>>731576213
Trump eating a taco bowl>Clinton carrying hot sauce

>>731576461
Chinese workers have seen their salaries rise by quite a bit.

>>731576239
There is very lititle critical thinking in his arguements. Anon has avoided all keynesian school of thought. I assume his claims are just being regurgitated from something they have read or heard earlier. Although they are well constructed.

>>731576195
In the long run health care is beneficial in modern societies because most people (especially Americans) are too stupid to save.

And it's more costly to put them on welfare or jail them than it is to have government subsidized healthcare.

Further, because of how states work, a lot of insurance companies were running monopolies, and making serious bank. that shit isn't free market. But they fund political campaigns and get away with it.

So in the modern world, government funded healthcare is ideal (e.g. Canada). Technically you should also have private care for the rich/wealthy with shorter wait times (Canadians get that by travelling to the US).

Any economic policy is context-specific though. In a society with less idiots, capitalistic free-market healthcare might be fine.

Sadly we are nowhere near that type of society.

Whatzeh Fak?!?

>>731574181
Traditionalists, maybe.
>Republicans
Not necessarily.

Just happens that a fuck ton of Republicans believe stupid shit, but no need to generalize like that. Turns people off.

>>731576502
But.. she...

>>731576321
Nice edge; you sharpen it daily?

>>731576674
Shush.
Cinco de Mayo.

CHING CHONG CHING CHONG!

>>731574397
(more evidence required)

>>731576602
I will mole this over. I like this fast track idea...although it goes against the idea that no one should be responsible for some else's bad judgement

To many theives? Move...or get a gun and use it, employ a street gang, the market will provide.

>>731576657
Majority of republicans just voted for a healthcare bill that gives tax breaks to rich people (for no apparent reason) at the cost of those born with pre-existing conditions.

I mean... there are like 20 republicans that actually want real policies.
And 200+ that just want to laugh at democrats.

The republican party is now a party of idiots.

>>731567556
>There is literally not one action that Republicans have taken or wanted to take that has impressed me or has shown they want to improve the country in some way.

You mean like following the law? Yeah, I could see how that would confuse a libtard.

>>731576741
I'll have you know I graduated at the top of my class when I was 12.

>>731576835
No idea how to provide more evidence...call and say you are shopping around for a torn ACL...find out how much they bill your insurance and then say you will be paying with cash - upfront.
You will have to make a handful of phone calls to figure out how to talk to these people but it'll work.

>>731567556
i'm no lib but trump is shaping up to be the worst president in US history. cant believe people used to think GW bush was dumb. jesus

>>731574843
>the market doesn't have feelings.
THE MARKET ISN'T A PERSON, you git.
Human life > "the market"

>>731576102
So much this.

I live in Brazil and we (albeit being a shitty country by most people standards) have universal health care and public funded education.

However, they exist in a market that is open to private enterprise, so we also have private healthcare and private education.

And let me tell you, does the public system sucks? It is far from perfect, but you won't be refused treatment (although it might take awhile for you to be treated) and you won't have any bills later (also, essential medicine is provided for free, including cancer and AIDS medication).

The private sector, of course, has higher standards and you will habe better and more caring treatment (but not always), excatly because the public system provides a baseline from which they have to improve service or get out of the market.

When I see the cost of healthcare in the US my hair grows white. IBF4 shitthy country with shitty treatments, we have top of the line medical technologies.

I'm to the right of most people in my country but I wouldn't change this model for the world.

Just for context, our political spectrum is schewed to the left, whereas your democrats would be our right and your Bernie Sanders ideas would be championed by our left (which, BTW, came to power and intoduced the most corrupt and underhanded relationship with the private sector one could ever imagine. Go figure. No dig at Bernie, though, just stating what happened here).

>>731576993
Trump will be better than Bush if its just 4 more years of this bullshit.

Bush was a walking disaster on every level.

>>731574552
>Not everywhere
Of course, not everywhere.
>not even close.
Not if Trump keeps propping up a failing industry. Wouldn't the free market thing be to let it die?

>>731567556
Spelled epitome wrong faggot

I'm not a grammar nazi, but you didn't mistype it you genuinely thot it was spelled epidemy so.....your whole opinion is rendered invalid....

Stupid people don't get political opinions

>>731576573
Even if that were the case, I much rather spend an entire afternoon speaking to him than to the anon that he is replying to. Arguments vs Deeply Held Beliefs...
Anon deserves the praise.

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>>731577193
Actually, they do, and trump was elected because of it

Learn to spell before spewing bullshit. I don't really disagree, but you're an idiot a faggot

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>>731576124
>Democraps push healthcare only to boost their investments in certain insurance companies.
Wat?

Are you fucking retarded?
Democrats push health care so their kids don't die in college or the parents don't bankrupt the entire family if they get cancer.

>>731577181
Proofs?

Trump licked my bunghole and sang me a love song whilst stroking genitals.

>>731577066
Put the value of life in a box and ship it to me. I want to be able to observe this "value" with all 5 senses

However I can observe the by product of the economy by having this smartphone in my pocket, and truck in the driveway.

>>731569352
because if you are an adult that can make its own decisions but get cancer you end up having to cook meth

>>731577321
you too?!
HE TOLD ME I WAS HIS SPECIAL LIL COMRADE!

THAT LYING BASTARD!

>>731577321
Lucky

Think of how stupid the average person is

realize that half of the people are stupider than that

>>731576124
>Republicans promote the entire healthcare industry, knowing it's all vital US business.

Businesses are profit driven. Which means you'll never have a fair health care system, because they'll find any reason to deny people to make more money.

You'll have people dying for bullshit reasons just because they need to make more money.

You'll never be able to run good health care that way.

>>731574606
You met anecdotal evidence with more anecdotal evidence.

I'm sorry, is everyone here retarded?

>>731577288
I am assuming wherever your attending college it has been pushed over by the liberal agenda? Are there safe spaces? And rooms with coloring books and hot coco?
You cannot have a socratic dialogue with someone who is just repeating what someone else has told them. It may be interesting but worthless at the end of the day.

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>>731576124
>Democraps promote foreign relations only when it's in their personal interest, refuse to get along with Russia etc.

Russia is communist. Their leader is a dictator who kills his opponents. It goes against Democracy. Russian invades sovereign countries for no reason. We CAN'T get along with them, because everything they do is unconstitutional according to American standards.

>Democraps promote gay queer agenda, black agenda, whatever agenda gets them votes without actually doing anything for them.
>Republicans invite these people to their party to speak up and progress themselves with them. While actually maintaining a core value system themselves not just whatever is good at he time.

This is literally the most retarded shit I've read in the whole thread.

Democrats believe Gay, Queer, Black, and women should have the same rights just like everybody else. Our stance will never change. We're not doing it for the "moment" or "whatever is good at the time."

That's not so hard to understand.

>>731577657
Other than (until recently) gay marriage, what rights do those groups not have?

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>>731577451
yes

>pic related

>>731574820
Stay woke.

>>731574606
>>731574181

A) who the fuck cares if you've taken Ochem. I have too, which is exactly why I'm not very knowledgeable or interested in politics

B) That's just the fringe religious lunatic, which tends to be the constituents, not the actual politicians. Just like I'm a science person and know relatively little about science, I SERIOUSLY doubt many if any politicians, republicunt or democrap have any real understanding of the sciences.

Hell, conservatives are traditionally in favor of STEM degrees and scientific interest. It's the arts they hate. That being said, conservatives in America aren't actually conservative, they're more nationalist than anything but still. They care about science, how the hell do you make guns and bombs without it?

I'm still kekking that he said he took science classes so that means he should be taken serious about politics lul

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I see /b/ is under attack again by the libtards that are getting extra credit to post there bullshit ideologies.

Go back to your safe spaces.

>>731576335
>You realize the middle class is getting their taxes cut as well, correct? As well as small business owners and people who are self employed?

This will basically reduce the pool of money available for everyone to create a better healthcare system, basically leaving everyone to fend for themselves. A person getting cancer will be bankrupted, even if they saved all their life and worked a well paying job.

>Global warming is a slow process. Even if sea levels rose by an entire two feet it would take YEARS for that to happen, rising only millimeters each year. You could easily counter this by either building a tiny sea wall or just moving away and investing in more inland real estate.
Have you even been paying attention to the weather around the world? Do you not remember Hurricane Katrina? Do you just not care because only black people were affected? The next one isn't going to be so isolated.

>Coal mining is a job that tons of people do across the US and there are ways to burn coal that is more environmentally friendly. Trump even talked about burning cleaner coal in his debate with Hillary, but you forgot that part since all you heard was "I wanna pollute the oceans and kill everyone."
There is no such thing as clean coal. Coal is NOT clean. Yes, you can filter the exhaust, but you still spew carbon into the air by the billions of tons.

You're fucking retarded.

>>731577957
get fuck back to /pol/ cuck

>>731578001
>kink shaming
What would your professor say anon?

>>731577912
My o-chem claim was to show that most Republicans pick stem fields because they are smart enough to know they need a degree that will help support them as a full time citizen

>>731577961
>>731577961
yeah... I gotta tell you - the 10k extra I'll get in tax deductions does not replace the money I get from people upstream being taxed. I mean that is how they get these through... who doesn't love extra money!

If republicans weren't complete lying cunts, they would pay down the deficit instead of doing tax cuts.

There are three kinds of Republicans.
#1 The ones who have been slurping up the shit pudding of "alternative facts" for decades; are so stupid it's a miracle they've survived to adulthood without getting hit by a car. Will believe whatever Rupert Murdoch's propaganda machine Fox News tells them. If Fox News starts running stories about how shit is highly nutritious, these guys will start showing up to work with brown teeth and awful breath and making snide comments about how the rest of you are still eating food like a bunch of morons. These types generally tend to assume they are the only ones in the country who own guns and the only ones who serve in the armed forces. Reality is a stranger to them.
#2. The ones who are downright evil. These people are vicious racists that are so busy constantly jerking off at the thought of ethnic cleansing, even they sometimes forget that they hate Muslims and gay people, too. They want to see America destroyed. They want to see the police beat and kill innocent people until the streets erupt in full scale combat for the survival of entire neighborhoods. They want to see the public safety net totally gutted and the infrastructure and economy collapse. They want to see everything in flames, and why? Because they have tiny penises and THEY WANT THEIR FEELINGS TO BE VALIDATED BECAUSE THEY'RE WHITE, GOD DAMN IT!!!
#3. The richest people in America. The guys who crashed the economy last time and literally could have paid off the national debt and had billions to spare, but didn't feel like it. They aren't just rich, they were born into the richest families alive and were taught from day one that they're better than everybody else because they have all the money. They don't give even the tiniest of shits if their actions make America into one giant slum, or a huge Somalia with all the rich people in penthouses looking down on it all. As long as they get richer, they don't care if everyone you care about is destroyed with nuclear fire.

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>>731578001

Whoo so edgy lol

>>731577805
How about the right to not be accused falsely and be more likely found guilty with the same evidence?

A black person accused of the same charge as a white person statistically ALWAYS gets a heavier sentence. ALWAYS. Black guy here. I fell into this problem twice now. A charge I was completely innocent from I was found guilty of (I'm not going to go into it right now, because it upsets me). I was found guilty with no evidence. No video footage, nothing. They just came into the courtroom and lied. I filed 3 lawsuits and it still has gotten me nowhere.

>>731578099
t. MSNBC

>>731570089
i disagree on what you say about mined ressources as it can't be a long term solution and since TESLA is rolling out battery packs like its nothing, solar and wind are becoming an actual good solution.

But fuck do i agree with what you say about nuclear, it is the best by far.

>>731570571
Free market determines the price of your

>food
>water
>shelter
>but it won't work for muh pabst smears x(

>>731578099
Rachel Maddow? Is that you?
Do you have 2 more pages to show?

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This thread is pretty much the dumbest thing I've evar been a part of

Butthurt liberals teenagers arguing with equally stupid kids not smart enough to realize that trump is NOT a republican, let alone a conservative, and has no one's best interest at heart except his own

>>731578144
>thimgs that never happened: the post

>>731570150
coal mined isnt cleaner but coal powered plants in the US are quite clean.
solar and wind backed by batteries is the way to go for most of the power needs but a nuclear backbone is needed

>>731575127
That's a tad fallacy-ish with the "only an idiot" line, but besides that, I agree.

>>731578251
I wish I was cool like you.

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>>731578099
10/10

Well described. Would read again.

>>731574538
/thread

>all these europoors whining about the US
Stay mad.

>>731576272

EpitoME? EpitoYOU, motherfucker!

>>731574538
But insurance companies do cover cancer patients..?

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>>731577961
LOL, Global warming did not cause Katrina. LOLOLOL

newscientist/dot/com/article/dn11661-climate-myths-hurricane-katrina-was-caused-by-global-warming/

>>731575298
He also said, "Invading Iraq was a bad idea. We should have never destabilized that country," then proceeds to antagonize Assad. (A move I agree with, but still. He's a hypocrite.)

>>731578099

this is quite the spergfest you typed up

>>731578479
Haha, good luck with that.

They'll find any loophole to NOT cover you.

And even if they do cover you. You'll reach a limit on what you can use.

>>731568899
>>thinks business optimism or stock prices have anything to do with jobs
just gtfo

>>731575585
Nice try retard, i am not even an american

I just find it amusing that you are willing to put a completely incompetent clown in office just for the sake of "getting one over those pesky liberals".

Whats Trumps appeal anyway? Hes not even slightly likable as a person.
>Stupid as fuck
>Lies all the time
>Autistic triades on twitter when some news story triggers him
>A gigantic hypocrite
>Fully embraces nepotism, fills his cabinet with incompetent sycophants
>Creepy relationship with his daughter
>Fat as shit, and wears ugly suits
>Disgusting haircut, which he for some reason dyes that piss stained color

Putin might be nasty fucker, but at least hes a competent statesman and not a embarrassing manchild.

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>>731578251
As an ex-dumbass (libtard) this is why i was actually able to voat for him... YOUR FUCKING STUPID IF YOU THINK ANYONE GIVES A SHIT IF TRUMP IS A REPUBLICAN OR NOT.

>>731578295
This guy has an idea. A middle ground is needed. Idiots complaining that coal is dirty.... I mean duh look at it. But it's fairly efficient and coal plants aren't as bad as they're made out to be.

Solar power is NOT cheaper than fossil fuels yet, due to the rediculous cost of photovoltaic cells, and wind isn't reliable enough to be much more than supplemental

We NEED to focus on researching solar and obviously nuclear energy to make it cheaper/more efficient, while using the fossil fuels we have to bypass some of the costs...

But the 2 party system pretty much devolves into a shouting match like this idiot thread so fat chance

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>>731574538
SO fucking what if you didn't buy insurance before that point you SHOULD die!

>>731578659
I am very pro putin..just saying
Most republican's see him as a great leader

>>731578558
Show me a source corroborating that.

>>731578669
>voat

nice try ruskie

>>731578737
People die...they should have planned ahead better...

>>731578835
Would you prefer r*ddit?

>>731578669
Trump getting elected will effectively destroy the dream that maybe just MAYBE we'll have a non partisan politician with our actual needs at heart.

Trump isn't a politician, he's somehow more corrupt and despisable than any we've ever had.

And because we elected this retard, in the future when there IS a qualified, non-politician who has a chance to do real good, the country is gonna say, fuck that, not another trump

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>>731567556
>coal
This is actually something that I've found weird on a number of levels, even if there are some points that can be made on other subjects.

It's economically retarded to try to expand coal mining in the united states currently. Not only that, it's geologically insane. The coal we have at this point is either too deep or too expensive to mine and make a profit.

Not only that, despite what some may tell you, the fucking crisis and shitstorm of the initial green energy programs is over, leaving them mostly viable. The leftover can be handled with (imported) coal or other energy sources, such as nuclear power(though seriously, if we keep paying these people the way we do for maintenance, no wonder we get bad results).

Yes, that's right, import the coal, why? It's better for the American consumer, for it's worker? Not quite, but coal mining these days would have to pay so little to be profitable you'd make more at McDonalds.

Also, Republican's deal is that people look the other way on the fact they're actively disadvantaged by most of their decisions in office because of either deep-seated (and in some cases) logical fears of socialism, and a distrust instilled by their leaders (who are their government) in the government (literally how). I mean, ignoring the occasional racist motivation and things like that (Which I can wholly respect, if it gets votes, go for it).

Funnily enough however, people who adhere fully to either party are equally as retarded. It just so happens that Republicans also happen to often be very vocal about how retarded they are.

>>731578846
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your stay.

>>731578295

(Different person) Emissions capture technology has definitely lowered the atmospheric impact of coal, but look at the geological impact of mining. There's no non-invasive way to mine coal without destroying ecosystems and creating pollution.

Same goes for solar and wind farms - but the impact on the area is so much less severe. It's not even comparable to fossil fuel extraction.

Finding cleaner ways to burn coal is like creating new hardware or software designed for PCs running Windows 95.

We eventually need to stop trying to polish the same old turd we've been holding for the last 200 years.

>>731578881
I'd prefer proper spelling of simple words.

>>731578785

Ask pretty much any oldfag who has dealt with them. It is common knowledge that ins cos squirrel out of it any way they can.

>>731578737

More homoerotic than homophobic

>>731573153
kid, isn't your break over? you need get back to your 6th grade history class

>>731578785
>>731578989
Insurance companies are actually fascinating once you take a look at them. You have to pay them, because it's illegal not to.

But they will punish you by making you pay more if you attempt to use their service.

And rather than using the money you're paying them to do their job, they will use the money you're paying them to avoid doing their job.

The only time they help is if they can get someone either than both of you to cough up the cash.

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>>731569352
because most people are idiots, and they proved that this past election

Oh look a thread full of retards beating the drum for the NWO elitist pigs, while spewing the talking points they have been brainwashed into believing. Trump's plan may not be the best case, at least he is making an attempt to correct a corrupt and failing system that is in place.

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>>731578895
This

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>>731569381
>>731570758
>TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS WORK
Holy fuck, we're reaching critical levels of retardation here.

>>731574538
You're moving goalposts a bit here and adding a narrative that there should be no down time in any change over that is as inconceivable as your need to type in all caps.

Here's the joke, though. Medicine didn't cost as much when it was totally private before insurance companies and huge firms for deducing whether or not something was "consumer friendly" for millions of dollars per new medication. Our population has become vastly lazy and stupid to the degree that you must be spoon fed everything from government agencies in order to feel safe about something that has side effects causing suicidal thoughts and death. The medical industry and this entire argument is so much more complex than either you or I can handle and your self assured arrogance on a mongolian cave painting board only further proves how little you must be able to grasp. Please do a little research before you make huge claims and for the love of god, read a fucking book.


>>731578558
This is why insurance companies bad and why laws should and are being passed in order to force them to provide the services you have been paying for and they promised to provide. Turns out companies are shitty if you let them be shitty and then force people, via government mandate at gun point, to purchase your shitty product. Government has it's place, but pretending like giving this system more control over your choices in healthcare, given it's record of inflating cost beyond measure in nearly all it does, and pretending that the solution lies within is equally as stupid as what just passed. What we need is a market place for competition. Government everything is infinitely shittier than private, especially with reasonable regulation on said businesses. The government should set laws for safety and provide a "how to" rather than an "if".

>>731569381
but consumer spending creates jobs. without high consumer spending, where's the money to create jobs cones from? not tax cuts

>>731567556
In order of importance
First off... Why would you have a problem with him trying to bring back a resource we have an abundance of.. especially in this day and age.. and the cleanliness of it????? Relevance???
Second.... No one is trying to remove environmental protection. Defund yes.. remove no.
Third. You're dead wrong about his tax plan... Re read it..? Or read I for the first time..

This pissed me off.. not even Republican. But you are the EPITOME of ignorance in politics who just repeats what you hear other people bitching about. Your entire post is hearsay

Read some fucking text.


inb4 Trump supporter
I dont like Trump.. but he hasn't done anything to deserve the shit hes receiving from the media and dipshits like you.... Been much worse presidents...
Also the first pres since Nixon to establish relations with China. Which is brilliant.


Thanks for letting me rant goodnight b. Hope OP learns something...

>>731576124
>Insurance companies
Whooooo boy, that's enough kool-aid for you mister. The goal of the ACA was to pretty much eliminate insurance companies all together originally, turns out, didn't go down that way, got twisted around, and served the investments the literal opposite party had made. That Obama signed it makes me giggle with such schadenfreude thinking of how he must have agonized reading what it had become.

Russia was typically hated by both, Trump is the anomaly here. In fact, most regimes that have gotten along with Russia have faced economic problems directly related to trying to trade with it in it's current state. Couple that with a hostile and aggressive leader, most people give them the finger right on back.

Republicans have a very long history of... Well, selective community outreach. The southern strategy certainly is interesting to say the least. Along with the 'Family Values' strategy which was actually implemented very recently in response to focus groups showing that they'd support the party if they did that. It's termed family values because of the separation of church and state, but we all know what it means. Both parties pander to whatever group they think will get them votes, if you, for any reason, think your party does not, you are not a member of that party, that party owns you.

>>731569156
>i didn't say this
>i only said exactly what I said I didn't say.

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>>731578295
That's fucking stupid.

NUCLEAR IS THE MOST POISONOUS WAY OF MAKING ENERGY YOU CAN FIND...

I'LL DEAL WITH THIS UMPTEEN MILLION POUNDS OF CARBON DIOXIDE ANYDAY... IT'S A FUCKING FOOD FOR PLANTS, ALSO HEAR IS GOOD FOR PLANTS TOO! Global warming is good for a lot of organisms.

LAST I CHECKED NUCLEAR RADIATION IS DEADLY TO *ALL* ORGANISMS IN THE BIOSPHERE.

Global warming is good for most of the organisms on earth (ie plants), ionizing radiation is not got for any organism.

Carbon Dioxide is constantly converted to oxygen by green plants and algae... on the other hand high-level radioactive pollution will virtually NEVER go away!

Ya I pick my poison and it's not nuclear.

>>731575523
A statistician could provide you a model that proves that a sample space of so many data points proves with a degree of certainty that a hypothesis was or was not supported by the evidence. One example is certainly not enough.

>>731578932
Yea it's a basically dead industry (the actual mining of it)

It's still a useful source of supplemental power, but in the long run...

Then again, people don't give a fuuuuuuuck about the long run, they want stuff NAOW!

Trump only backed coal mining to pander, he has actually 0 idea about it in a practical sense and when he does get taught, he'll probably end up dumping the idea like he has a ton of his election trail pandering

That being said, hes not about to put time or effort into real and useful research but why would he. That's over his head, and things he doesn't understand scare him. Perfect face of the Republican party, even if he's not one himself

>>731570758
>trickle down works, look at this example which is not implementing what we termed trickle down in any form

Their version is very different. Also, China has been destined to become a global economic powerhouse since about 1980. Trying to use them as a model is a really bad idea due to the socio-economic differences alone, but coupled with the long-foreseen rise of China, it reaches full retard levels of bad idea.

>>731569341
>I worked at an insurance company and we were taught to deny as many claims as possible, and to deny and delay claims for the most trivial technicalities, things like simple typos.
Same here, this is every insurance company's SOP.

>>731574397
My ankle surgery at Kaiser billed 78k, I got stuck with 20k

>>731575570
Economists would argue (am NOT an economist) that large corporations employ people the same as small businesses.

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>>731579468
Our rate of CO2 production and the rate we are destroying the things that counteract it make it a big problem. Global warming in this case is actually harming these same organisms too, as their reproductive cycles don't give them time to relocate to new habitats.

Nuclear waste is a lot less waste than most people make it out to be. You can actually use it as low-yield fuel still, and for further re-use through processes we've known about for nearly half a century now. Granted, very few facilities to do this exist because of the fear of the big bad green boogeyman. It's hard, it's a lot of math, and I know we hate scientists now, and that's the cool thing to do, but there's hard facts on it.

Also why even bother debating the two when we can literally just fill flyover country with solar panels? Or harvest the geothermal energy of Wyoming and Washington? Or do literally anything else other than choosing between two poisons?

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HEHEJEJEKEKE @ /b/ right now

>>731579805
Across the border with you, I can't prove you're american anymore.

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>>731579890
>trump was a good businessman
>he is a good politician
>it's just jews that are telling us he's not doing good
>i mean shills
>oy vey

>>731579454
Yea lol I agree here. Obamacare was one of those things that sounded good but by the time it got passed it was so boggled down with bullshit to please the fucking lobbyists it became just... a terrible drain

But what do you expect. The insurance and pharmaceutical companies in America are pretty much "The Man" right now, for lack of a more succinct way of describing it.

They have the power to get whatever they want passed however they want it, and even though Obama wanted to do something about it, he effectively pussed out and signed the bill to get it signed.

If he said naw, fuck yall and veto'd that shit until it was a GOOD bill, he would have had a possibility of having one of the most important legacies In recent history.

As it is... he was a distinctly mediocre president, and passed the bill to save face like any other politician

That being said.... now that we're IN, we can't just take healthcare from people whos lives have actually been helped by it...

If trump actually does something to fix it, then shit. I guess I'll have to respect the guy. But he wont, because he's got no idea about that shit, and is just gonna pass whatever his advisors threw up to appease THEIR lobbyists

>>731579519
So 2 examples? With a P value of 1...I can do this...

>>731579716
Did you go no insurance all the way? If you have any they rape you

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>>731580126

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>>731579889

>big bad green boogeyman

>>731575707
What's the alternative to schooling? How would an individual be determined as "qualified" without expensive schooling? What about shitty biotech firms getting by exploiting loopholes in med approval laws? What about shitty biotech firms that waste investor money hiring shitty employees?

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>>731580126

It's a pretty depressing song lol, sums up Donald Trump in 4 words

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>>731568899
Fuck, you are dumb

>>731569695
clearly the worst, cost per capita is almost that of norway or monaco where the per capita income is $188,409 when its 56 430 in the USA.
So shitty coverage for 2 to 3 times the price of developped country where healthcare is for all
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.PCAP?year_high_desc=true

Seriously, to anyone not in the US it is baffling. Incredibly inefficient if you consider healthcare, or the cost of healthcare.

Incredibly efficient if you are an insurer.

>>731569803
i have no idea why anyone would think any company woul want to make less money for the sake of the people or humanity. It just doesn't work like that because people are quite shitty