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It's official. Trump just repealed Obamacare. Greatest

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It's official. Trump just repealed Obamacare. Greatest president since Reagan.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/04/republican-obamacare-replacement-bill-wins-enough-votes-to-pass-house.html
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>>731511196

Archive link? I'm not giving (((cnbc))) views. This is great news!
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Still needs to pass senate, then it will be official
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>>731511380

Quick rundown? Is it the total privatization of healthcare so we can actually motivate people again to become doctors to reduce the cost of healthcare through supply and demand?
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>>731511196
>>731511273
>>731511304
How much did the GOP pay you for these posts?
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>>731511304

Take your pick.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/health-care-vote/

http://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/house-gop-obamacare-repeal-bill-vote

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/politics/what-to-watch-for-nail-biter-on-repealing-health-law.html
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Reagan was a senile old bitch
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>>731511196
It's harder to pass in the Senate so we will see what happens now
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Inb4, liberal tears kek. We will see who is crying when you get a life threatening disease and go bankrupt kek kek.
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>>731511480
CTR shill spotted
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>>731511451
>reduce the cost of healthcare
you know that will never happen do you?
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WE WON https://youtu.be/qXTmAkJKikI
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>>731511480
Cry moar fagget
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>>731511196
No it isn't, you idiot.
It officially passed through the house, it still needs to pass through the senate. And it'll take a good bit before it even goes up for vote in the senate.
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>>731511523
Never got the hype around Reagan. It's like everyone just ignores all that Iran-Contra shit and it's repercussions.
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I have a trust fund so Idc. Y'all are fucked lol
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Yeah, Obamacare is getting the boot, but it's being replaced with a shit sandwich
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>>731511196
>>731511966
Also
>greatest president since Reagan
Reagan was a shitty president. His tax plan was a flop, and he was a cuck that made it so we can't own automatics. Fuck him.
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>>731511985
Lots and lots of propaganda
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Liberals are more pissed that they'll have to admit they were wrong about him, than they are happy that he's making the country great again.
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>>731511613
No I don't even live in America. Just bizarre watching ideologues cheer for reforms that will obviously lower their life quality
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>>731511196
Great! Now healthcare will be double the price including medicine. Wait and see.
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>>731511196
Reagan great? Merica LOL
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>>731511196
Reagan was pretty shitty. Or, maybe that's the point you were going for?
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>>731511196
lmao
he also should prohibit medical care for people with less than a milllion $
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>>731512212
I don't get it either. I don't think anyone who's all for it knows how much it's gonna fuck the middle and lower class.
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Damn GIVE ME MY POPCORN.

I love to see USA going down the drain like this.

You guys deserve to become a 3th world country. :D WHOO HOO

I love Trump voters.. :D I LOVE TO SEE USA BURN.
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>>731511196
I don't like Trump as a person, and I'm not even American, but I would be lying if I said this man just sat on his ass all day doing fuck all like most politicians. You guys got yourself a hard working president.
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>>731511480
Very little considering that they didn't even want Trump.
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>>731512352
He wasn't even present in his 2nd term.. maybe that's why he thinks he was so great...
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>>731512538
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>>731512557
They wanted him, but you are right about paying they just had the Russians do that ;)
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>>731511480
Bitch, no one payed me
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>>731511574

Indeed kekmezz
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>>731512538
HAHAHAHHA
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>>731512675
I believe that
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>>731512538
Tell that to all the libs cherry picking the moments where he's caught golfing and relaxing as proof of him being a bum.
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>>731512538
This is him 'hard at work.'
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>>731512775
>>731512786
Spoke too soon
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i fuckin hope this passes the senate.. fuck the individual mandate.
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>>731511380
This Motherfucker has a point Trump-Cuck, it's not law yet. Just because it passed the house doesn't mean it will get past the Senate. Further, since I'm betting you're on ObamaCare yourself, you're going to get fucked over by this... you know this, right? I mean, you're on /b/ during the day, which means you don't have anything better to do, like work at a job. S obviously you're on some form of it. And you're on /b/, so Autism, which might start costing you an additional 5K+ per year as a "Pre-existing condition"... In essence, celebrate while you can, since after it passes, you wont have the insurance to have fun.
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>>731511451
>reduce the cost of healthcare
this is what republicans actually believe.
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>>731511985
Iran-Contra...
Creating the Taliban...
Ignoring the AIDS crisis...
Lowering marginal income tax to lowest in US history for the highest earners...
Running the largest deficit in history until GWB...

How do you not get the hype?
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ALL HAIL TRUMP https://youtu.be/K9zmiF810rw
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>>731511196
reagan raised taxes.

/thread
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>>731512775
Yeah every weekend at his Maralago, blowing taxpayer money. I don't even care if he golfs or takes a day off, but for fucks sake. He's already spent a massive amount of cash on getaways. Far more than Obama did in his first 100 days.
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PLEASE TRUMP, DESTROY USA.

MAKE AMERICA A 3th WORLD COUNTRY PLEASE.

Thank God for those naive stupid people who voted trump. God bless their brainless scull for destroying their own nation. God bless them truly from my heart.
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>>731513070
reduce the cost for rich people probably.
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>>731513228
>tfw you unironically find yourself cheering for Russia, Syria, and even North Korea, despite being told to hate them not so much as a year ago.
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>>731512886

>i fuckin hope this passes the senate

it won't

>fuck the individual mandate.

found the uninsured driver
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>>731513228
liberal detected
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>>731513324

Another naive person. Lovly. :)

You have been brainwashed by your own media with scare tactics. You are afraid of Russia and North korea ?
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>>731513401

Nah im not a liberal, im just want to see a country which are full of home schooled christian brainwashed people to burn.
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>>731512868
>>731512775
Except he is though.

https://freepresspolitics.com/2017/02/18/us-president-vacation-and-protection-spending-obama-vs-trump/

Btw Republican presidents hold the top records for most time spent vacationing while in office. In that fashion, you could say that Trump's frequent resort getaways are the most presidential thing he's ever done.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/compared-to-past-presidents-obama-takes-few-vacations/
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>>731513502
>afraid?
No; I know for certain North Korea poses no threat to the U.S., and really just wants peaceful reunification with South Korea. Not afraid of Russia either; I've always admired and respected them (though I have mixed feelings toward Putin), especially for their progressions during the Soviet days. It's just that now, I find myself kind of hoping China and/or Russia *do* knock this country down a few pegs, because the world and its people (as well as Americans themselves) can't handle this kind of jingoist hubris any longer.
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>>731513502

>You are afraid of Russia and North korea ?

did you miss that day in school?
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>>731513401
I'm pretty sure liberals don't actually want america to burn. They live here too. That guy's probably a foreigner.

I mean, fuck that guy, yeah. I don't want to see my country go to shit, but I doubt he's an american liberal.
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>>731513093
Because those aren't positives troll.
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>>731513650
They're also well deserved since Republican presidents do more work a lot quicker. Name me one other president that signed as man EO's as Trump did in his first week. Has it ever happened?
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>>731513721
Did you not... nah, there's no way.
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>>731513650
>inb4 "fake news"
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>>731513671
>afraid of Russia

when i was in school we were friends with Russia.

underage b&.
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>>731513782
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Why are people so easily tricked by Republicans?
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>>731513810
>I wasn't being a retard, I was just being Sarcastic.

Nah, you were definitely being a retard.
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>>731513895
they pander to the lowest common denominator and people who just want to spite Liberals.
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>>731513782
Why are executive orders a good thing when Trump issues them but presidential overreach when signed by Obama?
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>>731513782
EOs for massively unpopular policies, several of which have been found unconstitutional and revoked.

So I'd say the EO thing is a shining example of Trump's laziness, since he can't be assed to craft anything that might require more than a day's worth of legal scrutiny (not to mention that he has an entire team at his disposal that helps him write this shit up).
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>>731511196
I hope the cunt gets assassinated!

Feel the Burn!

Lots of love a free loving Britfag who uses the NHS
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>>731513895

Because they're retarded.

OP LITERALLY didn't know that this has to pass Senate for it to actually come to fruition.

He probably doesn't even know the difference between the house and the senate.

If people are that stupid, manipulating them is the easiest thing in the world.
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>>731513782
>Acting like something Trump himself said was a bad thing when Obama did it is a good thing when he does it.

I found the retards!
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>>731513959
How could you assume anyone piling on the shittiest aspects of one of the worst modern presidents anything but sarcasm?
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>>731513877

>when i was in school we were friends with Russia.

Putin certainly loves Donny. that doesn't make Russia friends of the U.S. tho
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>>731514090
Apparently, he doesn't even read them before signing. He's dangerously complacent.
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>>731511985
hype?
I think he´s widely accepted as a horrible pres
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>>731514258
i'm talking about the 90s.
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>>731513877
Must have been in school a loooong time ago. Putin has been vocally anti-American since at least 2007. I can't think of a single major bilateral (US-Russia) agreement obligation that Russia has not violated in some way in the last 8 years or so.
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>>731511574
Joke's on you! I already have a chronic disease and am broke.
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>>731511196
>since reagan
sure he has some good quotes
but that war on drugs was the most corrupt and disgusting horrid thing the world has ever had to face
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>>731514202
>Seems to have spaced that there are people in this thread who voted for Trump
>Seems to not realize that Trump ran on not caring about anyone who isn't his voters
>That Trump is a moron who is going to do worse shit in the years to come
>That his supporters would still chant his name if he Zippocatted on stage

Yeah, definitively a retard
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Mark my words, the idiot conservatives who voted for Ryan and Trump will be the first to suffer because they are less educated and poorer, yet they will still defend him.
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>>731514279
I think you have 'complacent' mixed up with 'retarded'
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>>731514283
You must not live in the US. Reagan is to conservatives as JFK is to liberals. And even some older Democrats still revere Reagan's legacy.

Now, granted, his entire legacy has been whitewashed to fuck but most of his fans don't have time for historical facts.
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>>731514135

>OP LITERALLY didn't know that this has to pass Senate for it to actually come to fruition.

shhh...don't confuse OP and samefag friends with facts. they're having fun
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>>731514462
>loooooong time ago

i bet in 2007 you were in diapers.

fuck these kiddies.
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>WE WON GUYS WE WON
>what did we win?
>I DON'T KNOW BUT WE DID!

watchign america eat itself is just becoming too much fun these days, I need to take a break.
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>>731514481
I think you just don't understand tone or context, which is why you are confused.

It's okay man, autism speaks and all.
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>>731514639
100%
They're morons
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>>731511380
>Implying it wont
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>>731513895
People get tired of being wrong.
Can't change reality, can't escape truth
Instead of changing their opinion, they turn to hatred and trolling.
They find a party willing to spread hate and troll for them
Elect a hateful troll as POTUS.

It's not that they are easily tricked. They know they're full of shit and don't care. They're tired of being wrong all the time and think that popularity can somehow make them right.

Their shit is gonna stink no matter how many of them eat it.
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Congrats. You're all gonna be without insurance. Honestly, I don't care now. You idiots dying off is a good thing now. Here's hoping for cancer!
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>>731514639
Hi, I'd like to introduce you to 95% of the Republican base since the '80s.
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>>731512116

this. so much this.
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>>731514425
>>731514425


but its 2017
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>>731512212

That's cute. Meanwhile Mudslimes are not-so-slowly taking over your mudhut village.
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>>731514792
>Tfw Tone is not a thing on the internet
>Tfw you're in a thread on /b/, and responding to a post that was anti-Regan with something that doesn't work on the Internet.

Yet again, claiming you're not retarded and just doing x, when in reality, you are just retarded.
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>>731511196
Trump did it!!!!
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>>731515197
https://www.thoughtco.com/tone-writing-definition-1692183
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>>731514791

Exactly, here in our country people on the workfloor get a laugh all the time of all the comedian news from the USA daily.

It's free laughing material. :D Thanks USA
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>>731515260
Literally the stupidest motherfucker in this thread.
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>>731512786
Yeah, a total slacker compared to Obuntu. 333 rounds of golf while pretending to be president. More than once a week for 8 years.
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>>731515126
That's okay, Islamic architecture is nicer anyway.
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>>731514903
Name a single socialist country you would like to live in.
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>>731515323
I dont think >>731515197 is gonna get it, my guy
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>>731514791
>what did we win?
Nothing yet.
It has zero chance of passing the Senate
It costs $8 Billion dollars MORE than the ACA
It raises rates for those with pre-existing conditions
(except for the lawamakers. They exempted themselves.. Hmmmm...)
And it does not guarantee that rates will go down for anyone else.

In other words, the HoR Repubs passed a bill designed to fuck Americans, not help them.

But now they think it's no longer OBAMA - care. Which means they now own it. Good. They can take responsibility when it fails.
>top kek, when was the last time the party of personal responsibility ever took personal responsibility for ANYTHING that went wrong?
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>>731515323
Jesus, you are right! Autism speaks, and it seems one of it's suffers just doesn't know when to shut his Mogoloid mouth.
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>>731515373

I'll give you that. Caves are probably better than the mudhuts you're used to.
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>>731515376
Germany.
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>>731515528
I mean, everyone's got to live somewhere.
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>>731511196
YES can't wait to see the libs cry about losing their healthcare. Oh did you get sick? Too bad, shouldn't have majored in women's studies.
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>>731515376
You do realise the majority of Europe has socialist states and most of them rank considerably higher than the U.S.A. in a multitude of indexes related to quality of life, right? Criminality, literacy, health, etc., U.S.A. is ridiculously below most of Europe, it's almost laughable.

Not to mention indexes on corruption, wage gap, etc.

Seriously, man, burst thar bubble of yours. As great as it may seem to you living wherever you live, it's almost guaranteed there will always be some place better and, whether you like it or not, a lot of those places will have socialist states. For whatever reason, people still don't get socialism and communism are nothing alike, but whatever, typical brainwash...
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>>731515323
>Implying nearly any of that besides Diction has much meaning on /b/, where everyone is either a troll or fucking stupid enough to actually think that shit.

Seriously, just give up, you're embarrassing yourself.
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>>731515376
I could name at least half a dozen.
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>>731515126
>>731515373
>>731515528
>>731515632
ARE YOU GUISE TALKING ABOUT ARCHITECTURE?!
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>>731515647
>This much cognitive reaching...

I just... I need to know how your brain connected these words together.
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>>731515647
Oh, fuck yeah, cause everyone who can't afford health care is a stupid libruuulll

Oh, yeah and also a big chunk of the republican voter base, the elderly, the mentally unsound, etc etc
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>>731513034

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH so fucking butthurt. No healthcare for you, Kunta Kinte! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

By the way I'm german and I laugh to this.
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>>731515360

>333 rounds of golf while pretending to be president.
>More than once a week for 8 years.

math is hard anon
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>>731515722
You're right, I'm so embarrassed.
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>>731515376
Canada
Sweden
Finland
Norway
Denmark
Belgium
Luxemburg
Netherlands
Ireland
Scotland

Pretty much anywhere I can get away from shit tier trolls like you
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Why is this a good thing again americans?
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>>731515563
I didn't know the government of Germany owns the means of production and that they have a planned economy.

>>731515714
>majority of Europe has socialist states

You're an idiot. Some have socialist governments, but they're still capitalist, market economies.

>>731515733
And yet you won't.
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>>731516007
I don't even care, I just want to see the libtards whine and cry about not having healthcare. that's my only political view
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>>731515978
They all have market economies.

Just because the sitting government happens to be a socialist one, doesn't mean the country is socialist you nimrod. Significant political and economic reforms have to take place before that happens.
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>>731511196
Do you not understand how the gov works?

Still hasn't passed Senate
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>>731515978
Swede here

You'd change your mind fucking instantly if you came here.
Socialism has turned this country to shit
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>>731516080
Yeah, fuck those guys and their obsession with healthcare.

Back in my day, we just died like good Americans.
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>>731516177
You seem triggered. These are going to be a great next few weeks.
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>>731515376
Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
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>>731515873
>By the way I'm German and I laugh to this.

What fucking bearing on that does your nationality have? You're an asshole either way, so yeah.
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>>731516239
>haha, triggered!
Not at all. I'm about to go do my daily cardio in a few mins.
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>>731514903

Case in point
>>731516080
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>>731516167
We're still not a socialist country, we just have socialist elements.

Hell, our financial market is even less regulated than in America. For the non-working man, Sweden is a tax haven.
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>>731516167
Amerifag here born and raised and moved to Sweden. Your country is 100x better, and now I can actually afford to go to the doctor.
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>>731516177
>>731516177

this guy gets it
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>>731516177
So what hobbies should people have?

I would say hunting, shooting, fishing, hiking, and other outdoor activities at least teach you skills and improve your health. They even put food on the table.

Urbanites are the truly frivolous ones. I could buy one of those shotguns with the money the average New Yorker spends in a weekend on drugs and club cover charges.
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>>731516431
Amen
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>>731515964
Yeah, the sarcasm is strong with this one.

Look, I didn't read through your shit before, just read the two posts, yours and the person asking about Regan and reacted. I'm not retarded, just didn't want to admit to it. Why? Because on /b/ admitting you fucked up is tantamount to treason.
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>>731516428
Hopefully they will still cover your medical bills when you are inevitably raped and stabbed by a peaceful immigrant from Somalia.
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>>731516291
At least you're honest. May you live a long and prosperous life in Best Korea.

>>731516428
Where in Sweden do you live? How long have you lived here?
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>>731516167
You wouldn't happen to be the Swede in the other thread that couldn't keep from posting the wrong shit on FB and now needs to talk to the police, are you?

Because if you are, your shit tier opinion doesn't count.

Sweden is not completely lost yet. You guys need to get a handle on your foreigners though.
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>>731516167
Stop defaming Sweden online with your bullshit childfag
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>>731512212
Living in America can at times seem completely backwards, it is really that bad. This health care bullshit has got to end. Everyone in the United States should have government provided health care, fucking end of story. We should lower the defense spending and just pay for it that way. Fuck this never ending war! Create a new Department of Peace with 1 percent of defense spending. We as Americans have to start helping each other. No longer can we afford to look away.
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>>731516616
I don't live in constant fear of being raped by refugees and neither does anyone I know. Muricans seem to be more concerned than Swedes
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Look, I'll admit i'm a liberal.
I'll also admit Obamacare isn't great
But why the fuck do so many people want this? They just see that Obamacare is being revoked so they don't give a shit about what's going in it's place. Can't we at least try and make something we can all agree upon?
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American's don't understand that you can be:

Capitalistic and succesfull, AND SOCIALISTIC.

But seems they don't want to learn. They are ignorant. Blind and mostly home schooled.
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>>731516767
It's not enough to repeal Obamacare, liberals have to suffer for their piss poor failed ideology. If it means taking away their healthcare than so be it. Liberalism is a disease and needs to be eradicated before it can take over.
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>>731516749
How do you keep the system from becoming like Britain's NHS, with the backlog of cases, the long waits for procedures, and the lower standard of care?

Also, how would this effect medical research, which the US currently leads the world in?
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>>731516780
Hey! I'm not blind
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>>731516780
Why would any country even want to be more socialistic.

Utter idiocy.
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>>731516511
Nice strawman, Poe.
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>>731516780
growing up on hamburgers ruins the brain of americans
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>>731516934
To ensure the well being and health of its population
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>>731516893
So republicans couldn't benefit from obamacare? I don't understand. How does this only effect liberals? Just because you may not be effected and you are republican does not mean all republicans are not effected.
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>>731516761
Americans being more concerned doesn't mean there isn't a problem. It just means Swedes are apathetic to the problem. Your country is going down the drain and fast. You are even putting out government funded PSAs telling your own people that in the future, Sweden will be different because "welp, we fucked up. Get used to it". Sweden is in a state of crisis. Just because you don't give a shit doesn't mean it's not a problem. It means you're a nihilistic self-loathing loser country.
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>>731517014
Lol. See: Venezuela.
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>>731517014
Which has worked so well for Russia, China, the SSRs, Cuba, Venezuela...

Anyone I've ever met from a socialist country hates socialism.
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>>731517060
far as I can see only ones who are whining and crying over Obamacare repeal are the libtards. Nobody on the right actually cares, it's just entertaining to see how upset the lefties get.
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>>731517014
So capitalism it is!

Welcome to the right side!
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>>731513246
>not rich in 2017
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>>731517060
Obamacare didn't give people healthcare. It forced people to buy exorbitantly priced insurance packages with minimal coverage and gave insurers all the leverage they needed to make a ton of money.

It was a bad system and it needs to be repealed.
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>>731516934

- Free healthcare
- Free education
- Free transport
- Free energy
- Good positive capitalism.
- Efficiency
- People are happier
- Less War

- Less jealous people like you.


Because capitalism + socialism is the way to a true utopia.

Thats why. It's the fucking future dude. Never watched sci-fi? what are you cave men?
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>>731517125
>>731517114
YEAH SOCIALISM DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE SOMEONE MESSED UP

It's not retard proof.
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>>731516014
#rekt
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>>731517106
Hmm maybe you're right, maybe amerifat Fox Newsfags knows the hidden truth about sweden
>looks out window
Ah nah it's the same old grey leftover welfare state
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>>731511196
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>>731516893
>Hateful malice. just wants to hurt people.
Did someone hurt your snowflake feelings?
Do you need your safe space, anon?
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>>731517125
Russia and China are both fascist governments that accumulate the wealth on the top....
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>>731517272
>Free

Somebody still pays for it. It's just not you.

Tell me, how much of my money are you entitled to?
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>>731517251
Yes. I agree it should be repealed and made better. But my point was that people are so bloodthirsty to have it repealed that we aren't paying attention to what it's being replaced with..
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Am I the only one who'd be hyped to dump my healthcare benefits from my work for more paycheck money if this were to somehow pass senate?
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>>731517447
Have you not heard of the USSR and communist China?
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>>731517114
>>731517125
Obvious cherry picking is obvious.
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>>731517431
Liberals hurt the population with their harmful ideology. It will be a joy to see them now get karma'd for decades of failed policy. Also, you sound like a libtard about to lose healthcare.
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>>731517453

I myself bring more to society than i take. A true socialist does not care as long as he is happy himself and has a higher standard of living than the average American.

And believe me, we do have a way higher standard of living.

Check many indexes.. sources are literally everywhere. Except for Fox news.
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>>731517453
All of it
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>>731517470
That I agree with.

I would actually prefer if they put a cap on the costs of some procedures and also limited doctor liability so they didn't have to afford so much malpractice insurance. That would drive down the cost for the patient and make healthcare more affordable.
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>>731517238
You obviously have no idea what capitalism is.
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>>731511196
He actually didn't but, okay OP
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>>731517529
Have you read Marx's communist manifesto? I think you'll find more differences between his vision of communism and China/USSR's version than similarities.
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>>731517544
There have been more republican presidents in the last 50 years than democrat. If there's anyone to blame for how our country is right now, It's probably more the Republican's fault.
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>>731517544
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>>731517272
>It's the fucking future dude

First of all: LOL.

Second of all, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Someone is paying for it. And what they get back from these governmentally run programs is inefficiency.

There's a reason waiting lines are growing out of control in hopsitals in countries like Sweden and England. Why schools are in free fall. That has been the case in every single socialist experiment since the early 20th century and it holds true today.
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feels good to not spend my life earnings if he i get sick

stay cucked americans
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>>731517541
Okay, lets talk about the Netherlands, or Denmark, which are supposedly "good" socialist countries.

These are also countries where prohibitively high taxes to pay for socialist welfare programs have made it so most people cannot afford to own a car or a home. Socialism turns them into a class of consumers ever more dependent on the various layers of government to give them everything they need. This in turn ensures that people will never vote to reduce benefits and always vote to increase government power.

It's a bad system and you should feel bad.
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>>731516360
The fact that he doesn't lose his healthcare?
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>>731517291
Again, there's not a single country that has been better off because of socialism that you can name, that actually holds true in reality. There's a fundamental problem in your ideology, squire.
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>>731516014
>socialism is a single, fixed system rather than a spectrum of economic organization

Look, here's what's fucked up about the whole "free hand of the market is best economy" logic: most Western states are socialist to some degree - some more than others - but key institutions like education, infrastructure, the military, some media, public transportation, parks, work programs (i.e. unemployment benefits or career training), and healthcare (with the exception of the US) are collectively owned and operated through the state. And that's great; these are resources that should be available for everyone to use/enjoy because they contribute to the overall maintenance and advancement of civil life. Where we run into problems is when people step forward and deny how important fundamentally socialist institutions are to our economy. So when you hear people say that "the US is a capitalist country and always has been and that's how we should keep doing things" they are overlooking the long history of dependence that Western societies have on socialist programs/policies/institutions. This is why stressing the identity of the US as a capitalist state is so central to Republicans and some Democrats: their constituents include large MNCs that would love a chance to privatize several aspects of public life, make a quick buck, and then get out or blame the government for being "too restrictive" when those sectors collapse. We see it with health care, we're seeing it with education, we saw it with finance, etc.

And I will admit that the private sector does some things well, or at least more efficiently than government, but there are aspects of society where capitalistic imperatives are undesirable.
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>>731517640
>That's not real communism!!!!

Communism isn't a possibility in real life. It's a moneyless utopic society where all of the people's needs are seen to in a post labor, post scarcity world. It can't exist.

Socialism, on the other hand, has been tried in dozens of countries, and it always ends the same way.
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>>731517733
Which shows how truly damaging the democratic presidents have been. Let's just say I won't be too sympathetic if they can't afford to pay their medical bills. that's what you get for trying to implement socialism.
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>>731517613
I'm not going to assume I know how to tackle something like this, i'm no politician.
What I do want to see changed is how hostile the two parties are towards each other. If we could work together on something for once, we could create something actually amazing.
It's why I hate Donald. Not because of his ideologies, but because he will take any opportunity to shit on dems, and create a divide between our country,
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>>731517819
They are also countries where the citizens OBJECTIVELY get more in services per tax dollar than Americans.
And nothing you wrote is actually true.
Check m8, m8 o m9
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>>731517928
Well, socialism is coming regardless of neckbeards opposition on /b/, so prepare your anus friend.
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>>731514674

Reagon was a good dude. The kind of dude that's confident but still nice. The kind of bro that keeps a friend group together.
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>>731511196
>health problems don't affect me or anyone I care about
Being retarded is a pre-existing medical condition tbh.
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>>731517851
>being this retarded.
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>>731515451
>It costs $8 Billion dollars MORE than the ACA

Seriously?
What the hell?
I cannot even.
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>>731517928
>Communism isn't a possibility in real life. It's a moneyless utopic society where all of the people's needs are seen to in a post labor, post scarcity world. It can't exist.

I don't see why communism must be moneyless, I think some sort of money or credit will be needed. I also don't see how we can't abolish labor in favour of automation and cut down our consumption of trash
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I actually just finished masturbating to the left-wing tears on twitter. FUCK, theres more here giving me another hard on. God damnit I love watching your impotent rage and frustrations. I'm so happy I voted for Trump so I could watch leftys cry, bitch, and whine for 8 years straight.


Damn, more salt is coming in. I need to jerk off again.
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>>731517819
Bullshit. The US has a house ownership of 65%, the "socialist state" of Norway (conservative government btw) has a house ownership of 82.8.

The US beats Denmark (where a lot of people prefer renting) but is beaten by the Netherlands (68%)
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>>731517640
Have you read it? Or actually understood it?

It barely touches on communism, it's more a short call to revolution among the proletariat against the bourgeoisie, you utter moron. It's in his (and Engels) book Das Capital (Capital) where they lay out what communism is.

Fucking morons can't even argue for their own shit.
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>>731518083
Only a libtard thinks society can be any different from the way it is right now.
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>>731518089
>dieing in a gutter with diabetes due to not affording Trumpcare
"ah lol fucking liberals. we really got 'em huh"
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>>731517970
The quality of the service provided is shit, you moron.

>>731518063
And not a single rebuttal was made.
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>>731517984
was this the socialism youre talking about? not very impressive comrade
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>>731515978

German here. While we are not socialistic per se, I am sure we would deserve a place on this list.

Because you know:
> free education
> free health care
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>>731518094
He's just a butthurt cuck spewing made up bullshit to make himself feel better.
He's not going to pay any attention to your post.
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>>731518189
You do know the premium for Obamacare is rising and would have risen to the point where the people who need it wouldn't afford it, and the people who don't need it would be paying in vain?

Idiot.
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we president now
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>>731517747
Waiting lines has gone down in Norway, and school results improved. The government is conservative, but would be considered liberal by Trump cucks. The country ranks 1. on the HDI, has way less crime, better educated people and higher wages for most people.
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>>731511574
Hehehhehehehehe kek
Kek kek
Kek kek kek
Kek kek kek kek kek kek kek kek

I pray to God you're being ironic with how many times you used kek holy shit
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>>731518185
Are you fucking kidding me? The libtard mantra is literally "everything will stay the same and large scale change is impossible". Killarys slogan was "America is already great" ffs

Communism is our only hope at this point and we have to start looking for ways out of this mess
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>>731518189
>y-y-youre gonna die y-you know that?

lmao I'll die from laughing at you idiots. Fuck I wish you were here so I could hot glue your pimply face.
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>>731512070
Turd sandwich - ignorant fuckwit
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>>731511480
cry bich
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>>731511451
doctors arent quitting their practices and students arent quitting studying medicine. de-regulating something essential to the quality of life has never put the buyer in a position of power.

>"I need medical treatment"
Company A: how important is it?
Company B: how important is it?
>"if i dont get it im going to die"
Company A: I can help for 300
Company B: I can help for 200
>"Fine ill take company B"
Company A: "Hey, companybro, stop being a cunt"
Company B: "why?"
Company A: "I make enough money to buy you out of competition"
Company B: "good point. Hey sorry we changed our mind, it's going to be 300 now"
>"you cant do that!"
Company B: "We can change our policy without warning whenever we want. Dont like it? go to company A"
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>>731518227
Because you're not worth a rebuttal.
I don't debate mollusks either. And they're way more intelligent than you.
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Trump is love
Trump is life
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>>731512070
livestream yourself eating it please

you earned it
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>>731517819
Let's talk about the "socialist" country I live in faggot. Canada. I lost my job 6 months ago, laid off. The day after, I applied for social assistance to help pay the bills until my Employment Insurance kicked in, which takes up to three weeks. My "EI", which we pay into off of every pay cheque, allowed me six months of benefits, which while not a staggering amount ($900 a month), it did pay my rent and help with bills while I used savings for other essentials. During that time, if I had gotten sick or needed prescriptions, I wouldn't have to worry because of that communist health care system we have here, which pays for everything (except for prescriptions). Fast forward to today, where I was just offered a position with a major international music festival through a government program which helps those who have been laid off and on Employment Insurance enhance their skills by pairing them with various festivals and music industry positions. This government program is paid for by grants from the province and federal government. So, explain to me again what the problem is with "socialism"? Is it that you don't agree that the state should use it's resources to assist it's citizens? Or is it because as dumbfuck cuckolded Americunt, you've been buying into the hysteria around socialism for the last 60 years?

And also, join the rest of the world and start using the fucking metric system you fucking faggots.
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>>731518359
>>731518359

wut
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>not being able to afford private insurance through work
Should just all off yourselves anyway
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>>731516151
Well yeah. I wouldn't say my country is socialist because we have a welfare states, but those Trump cucks would say its socialist..
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>>731518238
I can't believe you've managed to photograph the only two träskpunkare to ever show up to an antiracist demo. Congrats fam
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poor America
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>>731511196
if republicans want to start killing us they should just nut-up and use the cops and army theyre always masturbating to.
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>>731511613
>shill
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>>731518394
don't worry about me, I'm watching you amerifucks spiral into suicide from the safe comfort of socialist scandinavia. maybe i'll visit the health clinic tomorrow for a near free check up just to spite you :^)
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>>731518464
Similar situation you are in. In America, when I called for assistance, they told me "if you can lick a stamp, you can get a job", and denied me any assistance - not even directions to a homeless shelter.

Seriously, no matter how bad you think you got it, America is still far worse.
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>>731518464
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>>731517990
I'm not saying Reagan was a bad guy. He was just kind of... dumb. Like, the whole "arming Islamic fundamentalists to fight the Soviets, reducing tax rates on the top earners while spending more on the military and expecting the whole thing to work itself out" thing was just bad policy.
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>>731515978

Swede here. The moment you set foot on our soil and begin to get privy to things here you'll sell your own kin to get away from here.

The socialists are ruining our nation for good; the sole reason why we're an "successfully socialist nation" is because of a largely unhindered private economy and massive fiscal and market reforms during the 90s.
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This is what happens when Americans get fed up with being called racists and bigots because you have no other reasonable arguments when we disagree with you. We're not listening to your bullshit anymore. Fuck you.
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>>731518464
>leaf thinks Canada is a socialist nation

>is also ignorant of converting imperial units to metric

>still feels superior to burgers
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>>731518779
Fråga din pappa om detta stämmer horunge
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>>731518722
you're not gonna have time, you'll be too busy watching mohammed rape yo' momma. enjoy your scandinavistan fuckhead
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>>731518464
everything perfect except the last word. whe live in 2017, really have you to use "faggot" as a insult?
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>>731518780
we'll see what happens in congress come the next elections in 2018
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>>731518780
>>731518780


>found the white rural poorfag
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>>731518446
Nice rebuttal, you really showed me wrong there.

>>731518357
Norway is a small economy that found an oil reserve.

Or do you think Dubai is a model country simply because it's wealthy?

>>731518497
Welfare programs are socialist, but it takes more than that to make a country socialist. It involves changing from the current market economy and capitalism to a planned economy.

And even the leftists, as you can see from this thread, think all these countries are socialist, so who are you to be calling Trump-supporters out on that? It's a common misconception among ignorant people, period.
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>>731518804
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>>731518779
Fine.... move to Amerifuck and sell your kids to pay for your own heal care.
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>>731518955
whats wrong with white rural poorfags, shitskin?
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>>731518880

Störda lilla skit.

Har redan frågat pappa och många släktingar och mer än hälften (Några jobbar eller jobbat inom socialen) håller med att Sverige är på väg åt fel håll.
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>>731518953

shh...don't spoil his surprise
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why we can't have a decent healthcare system in the US
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>>731518733
>>
And I feel incredibly bad for you. The vast majority of Trumptards and right wing faggots think that the axe is never going to fall on them, until one day it does. It's unexpected, humiliating, and leaves you with uncertainty. I have worked everyday of my life since I was 15, and to be unemployed was a shock. I can't imagine not having a compassionate state run system to aid it's citizens through times which are tough. Granted, there are abuses, and those abuses should be punished accordingly.

I wish you all the best of luck anon, in going forward. Just remember, your fortunes can change in an instant, and negative can turn to positive in the blink of an eye. You are more than welcome in my country, anytime.
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>>731518946
Yes, because I'm not a snowflake and this isn't fucking reddit, faggot.
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>>731513228
>PLEASE TRUMP, DESTROY USA

That's what you are doing. You are a nation wrecker.
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>>731518955

found the pink haired sexually confused lazy parasite college kid
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>>731518953
i dont like those numbers. those numbers must be fake.
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>>731519019

Why so dramatic, why so dramatic?
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>>731518761
No argument there. Reagon was being manipulated by the CIA at the time. Really the only policy he ever seemed passionate about was the war on drugs, which is indicative of his character. Wasn't a success, but had the best intentions, he wanted a better America.
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>>731519084

>whats wrong with white rural poorfags?

kek
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>>731519087
lmfao. Skjut dig själv :^)
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>>731519164
youre right....
we shouldnt be burning flags....
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it needs to pass the senate first, moron.
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>>731519166
>>731519166

sick burn
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>>731511196
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>>731519166
Millennials are SUCH pussies
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>>731518722
>don't worry about me
Im not. just cry more for your daddy please. I'm getting close.


>amerifucks
ooh youre mad now

>safe comfort of socialist scandinavia
overran by refugees but I guess it doesnt affect the shut ins like you

>maybe i'll visit the health clinic tomorrow for a near free check up just to spite you

wow, that would sure show me! Fuck, I want your fat ugly face here right now. Hopefully the clinic will some imported medicine for that butthurt. Fuck Im close.


Open your mouth just like you opened your borders and let the hot sticky cultural enrichment flow down your throat like you were born to do.
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>>731511196
By no means is this "official" you moron.
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>>731512116

By "great" you must mean racist and dumb as bricks.
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not on our watch
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Care someone explain why healthcare is so politicised in america? Basically every big outlet execpt fox news seems to be saying this is bad, then why trump voters/republicans seem so happy about this? Even the right wing of my europoor country agrees that healtcare should be a right.
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>>731514846
it has even less a chance of passing the senate than in the house, which barely passed it at all
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>>731512116
How were they wrong about him? He's fucked up almost everything in only the first 100 days. And he spends his weekends golfing, after complaining liberals never work. Oh, and he's a compulsive liar or a moron. Maybe both.

The country was never great and Trump isn't gonna be the one to make it great in the first place.
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>>731519166
Those darn 1944 18-year-olds and their enviable fate to die by the bullets of German machine guns on the shores of Normandy.
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>>731518967
As if I give a fuck what you think.
I would just as soon rip your throat out and fuck the hole as to give you the time of day conservashit.
I'll be laughing my ass off if Trump starts a nuclear war and wipes out all of humanity. Because I'll be right there - in your face - telling you how much of a fuck up you are and how it's all your fault. I'll laugh at your pathetic attempts to survive. I'll shit in your drinking water just to watch you get all butthurt. I don't fucking care anymore. You started this shit, let's end it. Tell your shit tier orange baby raping godlet to nuke the world. It'll be his crowning achievement... and yours.
Now go stand in a dumpster somewhere and an hero so nobody has to clean up your mess AGAIN.
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>>731519419
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxPkSGptFyw

Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes

The tangled webs they weave span from Pine to Ruby Ridge, way back from Shay’s defeat on up to Gustafsen (now cue the ass parade of ditto-heads and commissars and pricks to drown out this faintest threat of commie faggot heretics). Conclusion: the nail that sticks up gets hammered down and the master’s finest tools are found slack-jawed and placid amidst the cacophony of screaming billboards and Disney-fied history. Sometimes the ties that bind are strange: no justice shines upon the cemetery plots marked Hampton, Weaver or Anna-Mae where Federal Bureaus and Fraternal Orders have cast their shadows; permanent features built into these borders. But undercover of the customary gap we find between History and Truth, the Founding Fathers bask in the rocket’s blinding red glare. The bombs bursting in air. One nation. Indivisible? The truth is when the back-country learned of ratification the People had a coffin painted black and solemnly borne in funeral procession, they buried it deep in the earth as an emblem of the dissolution and internment of their Publick Liberty. Someday, somewhere, today’s empires are tomorrow’s ashes.
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>>731519492
because there's a shit ton of money involved in healthcare and people don't want to lose such a lucrative form of income. The big issue with the ACA is that people don't want to "pay for something they never use" or to be forced under the threat of fines to buy insurance from the "free market" they value so much.
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OP needs to learn what a Senate is
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>>731518780
>"Gay people don't deserve happiness and black people can be left to starve"
>"Hey we aren't racist or bigots"

Republican logic.
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>>731519419
>I want your fat ugly face here right now

im not fat anon, remember im not american so i work out and eat healthy!
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>>731519572
LOL

As if I care about Trump, I'm not even a supporter of his. Hell, I don't even live in America. Instead of crying like a little baby, try growing a pair of getting a job.
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>>731511196
I'm a democrat and classical liberal and in all honestly I'm so happy Trump is getting rid of ObamaCare. I'm so happy I can finally afford the healthcare I need.
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>>731519492

Because our constitution does not give the government permission to mandate and manage health care at a national level.

They've overstepped their bounds massively in many areas, and forgotten that they are not our rulers. They are our employees. We're reminding them of that relationship.

They've been fucking us in the ass, and we're sick of it.
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>>731519726
If they would only be normal and not like sucking dicks or being black. Maybe they too could be happy. But NOooooo. They have to cling to their abnormal and anti-establishment viewpoints.
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>>731519492
It's all about the money my dude big corporate healthcare couldn't possibly lose out on their gainzzzz
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Conservative or liberal, nobody wants to pay for other people's shit. One of many problem is the hard fact that there are too many people who cannot care for themselves, or don't want to.
ALL methods of birth control and early-term abortion must stay legal and expanded. Yes, the poor, sick, elderly will die off, but we need to prevent children who cannot be taken care of or wanted to be born. Yeah, the fucking liberal media shilling the whole "Jimmy Kimmel cry-fest."
I was never a big fan of kimmel. But now he's pulling this liberal Hollywood, "We're all in this together folks, shit." Pathetic. Pulling 10 mil a year, and he feels "our pain". How many newborns are dying per day, that we don't hear about? Everyone knows what the bottom line is.
You have money, your fine. You don't, sorry.
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>>731519492
Because the Americans still adhere to the principles of the revolution that founded them, which was fought over government overreach and taxation. The founding fathers envisioned a society where centralized government held less power than the states (states rights). A government health care program is seen by those same turds that walk around open carrying and then wondering why their being stoopped by police while they have an ar 15 strapped on their chest, as government intrusion into their lives. If the government forces them to use a central health care system then they no longer have the "choice" to make on their own about who they see, what medical options they have etc. Which is bullshit, because in the country I reside, I have absolute choice about the doctor I see, and what decisions I make about my health care. TL;DR Americans are easily seduced by illogical arguments, as long as said arguments are wrapped in a flag followed by chants of USA USA.
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>>731519918
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>>731519367
Not sure what gen you are, but if you're a millenial you've only got your parent's generation to blame, if you're Gen X you've only got your own generation to blame, and if you're a Boomer then you're the generation that started all this bullcrap.
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>>731519726

wait, you forgot to call them (literally) nazis
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>>731511196
The Senate will not pass this.

I'm willing to bet most of your trump supporters had no idea it hast to go through them. This is all moot. It will not go past the Senate because of numbers.
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>>731511451
>>731511196
I can't believe I'm actually reading this shit.

Privatize healthcare to motivate doctors to rip off poor people. lmfao.

btards are as retarded as they seem
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>>731519492
Because your nations are filled with level-headed people that would NOT abuse the healthcare system.

America on the other hand is full of crazy fucks on both sides. Hypochondriacs and victim advocates are rampant here. Hell I saw a fat woman at the grocery store whining about her wrist hurting having to carry extra donuts and beer. They dont want to get healthy but have free pills and other medicine to continue their destructive lifestyles.


TLDR
HAES will be around longer and stronger
People will abuse the system like they abuse welfare
This is just my opinion though. Since Im not left-wing, I cannot speak of behalf of everyone else.
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>>731519164
Flag burning's a constitutional right. Nothing about burning a flag harms this country.

Now, screwing over millions of people with your policies, now that's harming this country.
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>>731519790
More proof of conservitards just trolling without any real solutions in life.

Conservatives really have become the cancer that is destroying civilization
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>>731511514
Fake news

That mostly ok news that also randomly picks fights with youtubers

Failing news
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>>731511451
That's not how it works. The federal system is used to control the market.

The first step for reasonable healthcare is to take control of the schools. We need to stop hazing out students and start graduating doctors.
Then, there are literally thousands of laws purchased by the medical community that need to be repealed.
It would take me hundreds of hours to explain everything.
But after watching my father pillage every patient so he could golf in Hawaii, or San Diego, or the virgin islands etc. It was rather satisfying to watch him die of cancer while the other doctors ripped him off.
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CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT THE REPLACEMENT WILL BE?

WILL PREEXISTING CONDITIONS BE COVERED?

HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL LOSE HEALTH INSURANCE?
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>>731518940

WEAR A FUCKING CONDOM!
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>>731520059
I'm not gonna call anyone a nazi. I hate that term being slung around and I hate the libtards that use it.

Guess I didn't realize you had to be either republican or democrat here. Oh wait, that's why the government is such a shitshow.
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>>731519726

enough with the excuses

niggers have been free for 150 years, but still blaming everyone else for their problems
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>>731514463
Buh bye
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>>731511647
It's hopeless, dude. They'll never understand.
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>>731519751
>im not fat anon

I knew you couldnt resist replying to that my little fuck toy. Tell me more about what you look like.


>i work out and eat healthy!
i.e. arm workouts from handjobs for refugees and consuming their proteins. Fuck! I need your scrawny pimply greasy face here right now. Id slam my cock right into your eye socket!
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>>731511523
He was a terrible President
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>>731519791
You're fucked in the head if you think this bill will make your healthcare any more affordable.
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>>731519831
... Exceeeeeeeept the Constitution also doesn't explicitly forbid the government from managing health care.

Btw John Adams proposed a law appropriating federal tax dollars for the medical care of navy servicemen, effectively endorsing a prototype of government-funded healthcare.
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>>731520470
Won't matter to this crowd. As long as they have their guns, and cheeseburgers, they could give to shits about critical thinking skills.
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>>731518953
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>>731514471
Don't forget Star Wars.
Lol, at least kids can play with laser pointers now.
Great job, Ronnie.
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>>731519166

"Sorry, no wifi here." "Wa-wa-what??!!!"
"I need to call my therapist!"
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>>731520288
>Fake news
>That mostly ok news that also randomly picks fights with youtubers
>Failing news
hello Vladimir,
thank you for enlightening us, comrade!
please to be telling us what news is real then?
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>>731520580
Nice legacy you got there Obama.
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>>731519216
What's that saying about good intentions and the road to hell...?
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Soon the gene pool will improve, as the white trash that voted for Trump will die off for lack of medical care
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>>731511196
He is a GOD!!!
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why would you not want free healthcare? what is this retarded logic?

just cut and paste the same shit canada or UK does for their healthcare. oh wait, we cant because we spent all our tax dollars bombing 3rd world mud huts so missile factories can profit, instead of spending that on education and healthcare. good job idiots lol. we couldve all had free college and healthcare, but youd rather go drop a $1 million dollar missile on mohammed on the other side of the globe.
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>>731520219
I'll sleep well tonight knowing I managed to rustle your feathers.

Oh, and I'll be using your post >>731519572
as pasta from now on.

Thank you, and GOOD NIGHT!
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>>731520470
>... Exceeeeeeeept the Constitution also doesn't explicitly forbid the government from managing health care.

... Exceeeeeeeept "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Please seek a refund for your shitty education.
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>>731520381
What excuses? Never said anything about how I see blacks or gays. I'm just pointing out how retarded it is when conservatives act like shitbirds and then turn around and claim they were doing the opposite.

I'm also not saying liberals are any better. They're a bunch of shitbirds too. With full honesty, I just wish the people on both sides would go jump into a volcano.
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>>731520697
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>>731520697
Preach it brother.
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>>731515563
>>731515978
>>731516014

Man you ameritards really need to learn what socialism is. You cunts have no clue
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>>731520745
not wanting to waste tax dollars is being a bitch? and whats wrong with reddit? theres many helpful and informative sections on that site.
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>>731520410
you seem upset anon
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>>731511196

You're too fucking stupid and ignorant to understand that it has to pass the Senate, and you're acting like your opinions count for shit. How the fuck does that work? At least go watch some Schoolhouse Rock, dumbass.
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>>731520331
>The replacement will be shit
>Nothing will be covered because it's shit
>More than likely just the same number of people as the last time they tried this.
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>>731520697

If you're having issues with wasting tax money on bombs then I hope you have issues with the university programs containing such subjects as gender studies.

I'm disagreeing with you, I'm expanding on the issue of wasting tax money.
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>>731520745
reddit actually has hot girls posting themselves on the regular. you spergs scared them all away from here.
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>>731520681
I assure you history will be kinder to Obama than the orange shit-lord
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>>731520863
Do tell.
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