Why is it that Conservatives on average score 20pts higher on

A constitutional originalist? So you support Prohibition?

>>730688629
The true equalizer is death --- you will die someday.

Do you not see that your life is pointless and existance devoid of any true meaning.

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>>730688629
> socialist suck

Enjoy those roads, cops, military among so many others?

>>730689028

Classic Leftist, you want America to be overrun by rapefugees.

FIGHT BACK!

>>730688629
Source on that
Everything is showing in the exact opposite direction

>>730689137

Hillary voter! lol

Because smart people don't give a fuck about IQ tests.

We're just smarter

>>730688819
That's not what that means. It means you follow the Constitution as it was written, not how some judge or congressman feels it should be applied

>>730689028
That's not socialism that's legitimate government function

>>730688905
This. We are all just waiting in line to die.

>>730689372
So the judgment of a collection of traitors and slaveowners holds up 250 years later, in a world with automatic weapons, worldwide communication, and social equality? It doesn't need to be updated at the all?

>>730689426
Socialist programs numb nuts --- paid for by tax payers

>>730689165
Against what?

>I support state's rights and a limited fed government
>I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman
>I support states rights
>conservifag wants small government, but wants big government so as to enforce hetero marriage, doesn't want to let states decide
>conservifag is a hypocrite as always

Liberals are just as cucked.

Personally I find abortion to be the one issue where both sides are equally merited. It's a deeply complicated issue that ultimately doesn't affect me. So I really don't have a strong opinion about it.

" the IQs of young adults who described themselves as "very liberal" averaged 106.42, whereas the mean of those who identified as "very conservative" was 94.82"

"In 2012, a paper reported that people endorse more conservative views when drunk or under cognitive pressure; it concluded that "political conservatism may be a process consequence of low-effort thought."

>>730689594
slaves are sick tho, if i could get into slavers, fuck yeah i would, i'd get slaves to slave the slaves. i'd never need a job, i'd just be shitposting /b/ all day while the slaves bring home the bread.

>>730689028
shut up libcuck. I would rather have a snow leopard $1200 AR-15 to shoot fags than decent healthcare and infrastructure and jobs.

>>730689816
he released his taxes as a troll, "leaked" them to some journalist and they got rekt when they were legit.

>>730689729
You will if you knock someone up.

>>730689372
how the hell do you know what some crusty old fag in the 1700s was thinking? you don't. I mean, i'm more or less center-right, but originalism is just fucking stupid.

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>>730689643
It's awesome when conservaturds can't get this point across their head. That guy doesn't even realize he's just called a form of socialism "Legitimate government functioning"

>>730689900
>implies someone would have op's child

>made up statistic

>thinks iq is a legitimate measure of intelligence

>thinks liberals are leftists

>>730689975
so government taking care of its citizens is socialist?

>>730689790
Slaves would be retardedly expensive. You gotta feed them, clothe them, house them, take care of them, pay someone to watch them. It would cost as much as raising a child their entire adult life.

Just give a Mexican $50 to pick your cotton.

you know what sucks about americans? they all have opinions. most americans are stupid and don't know about anything they have opinions about anyway. pro-life fags don't fucking know shit about fetuses or abortion, but they oppose it. redneck pro-gunners can't spell gun anyway, but they love them. climate change deniers think they're climate experts, but can't separate weather and climate.


you all suck

>>730689222
Trips of truth

>>730689222
check em

>>730689911
/thread

>>730688629
Shit tier b8

Everyone knows the average Trump voter has the IQ of a nigger

>>730688629
That's a lot of words to say "I'm an asshole".

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>>730689424
Zogby analysis of economic knowledge
>Conservatives had a better understanding of both basic and advanced economic concepts
Pew Research analysis, repeated every other year for 15 years
>Conservatives are better informed and more knowledgeable about: geography; history; world leaders; public policy; current events; international events; science (yes, really); cybersecurity; crime statistics; terrorism statistics; health care information; and pricing.
That isn't in isolation: survey after study after review finds Conservatives much more knowledgeable about the world than Liberals.

>>730690069
>"Socialism (...) may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership"
Almost by definition, yeah

>>730690693
lol, guess id rather be socialist then. sorry.

>>730690541
I don't have time to cherry pick studies against your claims, but I can say, in promptu, that red states are poorer and less educated. And I remember a study finding that conservatives were more likely to believe in conspiracy theories and other things that weren't factual

>>730690823
What's really important is to differentiate being Socialist (with a capital "C") (Which is, at it's worst, just one step removed from communism) from believing in socialist programs (Like cops, firemen, and, in the rest of the first world countries, public healthcare)

>>730691097
A capital "S", my bad

>>730690541
>study conducted in the us about education

winning the special olympics doesn't mean much anon. us liberals (both democrats and republicans) are extremely uneducated.

>>730688629
Truth and facts are ''extreme'' for Libtards. They prefer world of illusion

>>730689975
>conservaturds
just doesn't have the same ring as "libtards"

>>730691384
>climate change denier
>evolution denier
>religious
>thinks facts are with him

:^)

>>730691495
It flows more naturally, you don't have to stop between the "b" and the "t"

>>730690913
>I don't have time to cherry pick studies
At least you admit to cherry picking
> red states are poorer and less educated
The overwhelming majority of High School dropouts vote Democratic Party. This is so well-documented it isn't even commented on anymore.
The majority of people with 4 year college degrees vote Republican Party. Also well-documented.
The 'edge' on education comes from the fact that many teachers and social workers
A) get master's
B) are in unions and vote Liberal
C) live in urban areas
So urban areas, packed with HS dropouts and Liberal social workers and teachers, drag some states Blue.
Big deal. It doesn't mean that Libs *know more* that Cons, does it?
>Please note - I am not even an American!

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>>730691368
As a non-American looking in from the outside. I am pleased to see someone acknowledging that the Republicans and Democrats of America are just different flavors of Liberal

>>730689698

Leftists, Muslims, Jews, Niggers, stop letting them walk all over our rights! ARM YOURSELF!

>>730689740

FAKE NEWS

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>>730689594
You mean traitors to a tyrannical government in England?

>>730689740
that's because most Conservatives are highly religious, the trends on highly religious groups tend to have lower IQs

>>730688629
>IQ tests

Dropped

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>>730689816

>>730691730
i'm not an american kek

dumb ass americans don't even realize republicans and liberals are cms away on the political spectrum

>>730692014
Yeah, they're both different flavours of right wing.

>>730691649
>At least you admit to cherry picking
I see you are not familiar with debating, I was stating that you were cherry picking and I had no intention to do that
>Education differences are due to teachers and social workers
That's so deep into right-wing talking points, I'm impressed. I doubt teachers and social workers are such a huge percent of the educated population that they bias the data.
Big cities (Which are very liberal) tend to accumulate higher IQ, higher levels of education and a better understanding of the world.
>Please note that I am, also, not american.

[citation needed]

All I've seen when researching correlations of IQ and political affiliation is studies that suggest that left-wingers on average score higher than right-wingers, although there are many of them and some suggest that right-libertarians are actually the smartest. Either way, I've never seen anything which implies that establishmentarian social conservatives are more intelligent, and definitely not by 20 points. If you would provide a link to the study from which you're drawing that information that'd be great.

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>>730692014
>>730691730

>>730691851
The vanguard of the American Revolution were the Sons of Liberty
>They beat up, tarred and feather (which was sometimes fatal) or lynched crown officers for enforcing laws like paying fines for convictions
Americans drank a lot of tea and paid very high prices for very low quality tea brought in by smugglers. The guy called King of Smugglers was made fabulously wealthy by this. When the UK figured out how to combine all taxes into a tea tax and still deliver high quality tea to the colonies at prices LOWER than the smuggling rate John Hancock called it tyranny. The King of Smugglers paid a bunch of the Sons of Liberty to throw the tea into the sea to protect his illegal profits.
The name of the King of Smugglers?
John Hancock.
The man he paid to protect his criminal enterprise?
Sam Adams.
Crooks, thieves, and traitors

>>730689165
Classic Republicans, keeping us at war since 2002.

>>730692112
Democrats and Republicans are both Liberal by definition

>>730688629
Trump's program includes 5000 billion dollars of spendings in infrastructure
> mfw "limited federal government"
> mfw "Obama's unwarranted spending"

>>730692298
Nah they're not. They're centre right and far centre right by definition

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>>730688629
The cold hard reality is that there have been numerous university studies that have all concluded that those who identify as "liberal" tend to have a 20 to 30 percent higher IQ than those who identify as conservative. The National IQ map would also indicate that this is true, because the BLUE states all have higher IQ averages than the RED states.

Also conservative media is being exposed for what they really are. Fox has lost Bill O’Reilly, Roger Ailes, and Megyn Kelly. Sean Hannity is now under fire as well as Tucker Carlson.

Conservatives are mostly white trash.

>>730692164
Nope, literally no replies. I guess we just don't care about truth anymore.

>>730692356
there's no such thing as center. they're both neoliberal, one is social liberal and the other conservative liberal, but still liberal

>>730691097
> 3 parentheticals in one sentence
wtf

>>730692434
>20-30 points higher
I find that very hard to believe.

>>730692473
>>730692164
You seem to be under the impression that you can have an intellectual debate in /b/, I'm so sorry

>>730688629
Both sides have a lot of dummies, but the left actively targets the urban poor and the young barely educated.

>>730692509
>Liberal
They're only economically liberal. The consveratives are socially conservative.

>>730688629

Why is it that classically liberal score higher than both conservatives and progressive liberals? The question is rhetorical, I'm classically liberal so I already know

>>730688629
nice bait, everyone knows that conservatism is a mental disability, stop trying to pretend you are handicapped, its fucked up

>>730689331
Which of the 20 definitions of alt right are you using today?

>>730689816
>whos the liar
You

The March issue of the peer-reviewed Social Psychology Quarterly, a journal of the American Sociological Association, contained an article entitled "Why Liberals and Atheists are More Intelligent." Though it certainly caused some outrage, the investigator collected some statistically significant IQ evidence that supported his theory.

This sounds fake af, OP. Jews are all leftists and they have the highest IQ scores so try this theory out again

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>>730692131
>I see you are not familiar with debating
Familiar enough that I named sources, right?
What gave you done?
Stamped your little feet.
>That's so deep into right-wing talking points
It is simply a fact borne out by statistics. The US Census and the CNN exit polls confirm all this over and over independently using different methodologies.
>I doubt teachers and social workers are such a huge percent of the educated population that they bias the data.
According to the National Center for Education Statistics about 26% of ALL master's degrees are in education and social work.
>Big cities (Which are very liberal) tend to [unsupported opinion follows]
Well, you were wrong about the percentage of Master's degrees, haven't bothered to look up a single thing, and think "just sayin's stuff is debatin'"
So I am going out on a limb and guessing you're a typical ignorant Liberal

-I am pro life
-I am pro gun

>>730692526
I like giving examples but keeping the sentences tidy, so I sweep the ugly additions to the message into a little space between curved lines

>>730692717
Asians have higher IQ averages than Jews. They are also higher than whites.

>>730692250
>Democrats control the White House and Congress for years
>Liberals blame the ongoing war on Republicans
see
>>730690541

>>730692753

>>730692434
>>730692164

>>730688629
>Why is it that Conservatives on average score 20pts higher on IQ tests compared to Liberals?
They don't. They actually on average score 30-40 points below liberals.
> Is it because there are so many Leftist blacks and muslims dragging the score down or are Liberals really just that stupid?
Niggers are socially liberal and mentally conservative. Muslims are the most conservative group on the planet.

>>730688629
"All life is precious unless it steps on my lawn!" -common conservative retard

>>730688629
u r that proud of your 30 IQ?

>>730688629
Kek

Protip: Less than 1% of those who identify as conservative have an IQ greater than 99.

>>730692356

Please. Anything to the left of Hitler is 'Liberal' according to Americans. They're so used to being fed different flavours of right wing politics that they won't accept anything else, for fear of being branded a 'Commie'.

>>730690913
This has changed. It has to do eith whos einning. Liberals believe the putin puppet conspiracy and other nonsense now

>>730688629
>pulls statistic out of his ass
>use it to reinforce his racism
>actually trying to look smart

Seems like your pathethic attempt to not look like Barron have backfired you.
A little reference to help your tears roll out: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2095549/Right-wingers-intelligent-left-wingers-says-controversial-study--conservative-politics-lead-people-racist.html

>>730692969
>According to americans
Yeah thats why they have a centre right and a far centre right party.
Right enough that they won't be called commies. Left enough that they aren't called Nazis.

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>>730692356
'Liberal - the political or cultural ideology that states that the primary (or only) goal of government/society is the maximization of individual liberty and equality. Liberalism is divided into two broad groups, Classic Liberals who focus on individual liberty and Social or Progressive Liberals who focus on equality."
"Thus all major strains of thought in contemporary western politics are obviously Liberal including Socialism, Objectivism, Libertarianism, Communism, Feminism, and Anarchism to name a few. The axis of Communism/Socialism (equality) to laissez-faire Capitalism (liberty) is a microcosm for how virtually all contemporary political discussion is within Liberalism."
>read a fucking book, would ya'?

>>730693045
>He only read one book

Go home.

>>730692857

>Muslims are the most conservative group on the planet.

SAY THAT TO MY FACE AND NOT ONLINE, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS!

Muslims are Libcucks because they are the enemy of all proud Republicans such as my self. I would seriously shoot you for saying that shit near me, they're Leftists just like you!

>>730693016
Yeah, the democratic party is falling, drawing their uncritical supporters down with them. Still Democrat > Republican in my mind

>>730689502
Pro death penalty is not a pro life stance, but you tried

>>730692544
bible belt tends to be lower than most

checks out

>>730693045
Hey retard every single modern political party is economically liberal save actual fucking communists. When you talk about conservatism it's literally always a social argument.

>>730693024

>The Daily Mail printing that when 99% of their writers and readership are right wingers

Pretty ballsy tbh

>>730693087
>SAY THAT TO MY FACE AND NOT ONLINE, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS!
Where do you want to meet?
>I would seriously shoot you for saying that shit near me, they're Leftists just like you!
I'd put ten rounds in you before you put your hand on your gun.

>>730693169
The point they're trying to make is that: It's okay to be racist, you're not alone.

>>730693206

I'll shoot you in the back while you're busy praying to Meccah.

>>730692571
a party is defined by it's economic and social politics. they're liberal both economically, and socially. conservatives and conservative liberals, while democrats are progressive liberals. there is a difference ye, but it's a very small one if you look at it in comparison to the whole political scale.

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>>730692434
>'Liberals are 2 standard deviations smarter than conservatives'
This may be the stupidest fucking thing in this thread. The person that wrote this is so fucking stupid they don't realize that for this to be true 50% of the country would have to be smarter than your average PhD in theoretical mathematics and the other half too retarded to learn to ducking read.
It betrays such profound ignorance of how the IQ scoring system works that I must conclude the author is a class Z troll or he's be too fucking retarded to type

>>730693262
>defined by it's economic and social politcs
Nah, a party is defined by it's social politics. The economic argument was lost years ago after the cold war.

>>730689797
Why not both?

>>730692847
No names and this one?
>>730692434
if you think this is even possible you are retarded

>>730689911
Which is why we have ammendments. The forefathers purposely made the Constitution in such a way that it could be applied across any timeline.

>>730691097
That's actually not important at all. Socialism is a stepping stone to Communism, by absolute definition of political theory.

As technology continues to progress in terms of productivity, labour becomes less and less necessary, which means people having jobs is less and less likely, which means less and less people will be able to bring home a paycheck to pay for the essentials.

What happens at that point? Well, our wealth will be even greater than it is now (just like it's been growing for centuries) and as long as all that wealth isn't going to the hands of a few thousand people, it can be spent on programs that provide for people.

Not so they can lay around and watch TV all day, but rather so they can enjoy hobbies. Learn an instrument. Pick up a new study. Read a fucking book.

Communism is an inevitability. Marx was right about the problem and the diagnosis, but not the treatment.

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ITT no supporting evidence

>>730692857
>They actually on average score 30-40 points below liberals.
That is, very literally, impossible.
see
>>730693265
All you writing that proves is that you are too ignorant to live

>>730691097
>halfway there

If you realize this, then you should really reconsider your preconceived notions of Communism.

Also, you really need to come to the realization that "being a Socialist" and "believing in socialist programs" aren't really that different. If you support paying taxes for government functions, then you are, in some degree, Socialist.

As a proud Conservative with a 160 IQ, I can confirm that on average, Liberals are thick as pigshit.

>>730689975
You seem to be confusing socialism with classical liberalism. Might I suggest John Locke?

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>>730692969
>Anything to the left of Hitler
Hitler was a Socialist you ignorant tool
Yes - if you are to his Left you are a Liberal

>>730692298
>>730692509
This guy is right, and knows his theory.

>>730692356
This guy is an educated conservative who posts threads like "did u guys kno that cuckservatives score 900 points higher on IQ tests than libtards????? i'm so much smarter than u"

>>730693492

Might I suggest you go fuck yourself?

>>730693303
>there aren't any left wing parties in the us

>that means there are no left wing parties anywhere else, neither will there ever be any

nice ideology you got there.

>a party is defined by it's social politics

and both the gop and the democrats are liberal socially. they both adhere to liberal rhetoric, notions like naturalization of private property, "terrorism" as the public enemy, post-modernism, idealism etc. These are all social aspects of liberal ideology both parties adhere to

>>730693347
You are not describing communism here, you are describing a post-economic society

>>730693147
Communism is Liberal, moron.
>When you talk about conservatism it's literally always a social argument.
Yeah, and Libertarians and American Republicans are socially Liberal, moron

>>730693609
>communism is liberal

you're an uneducated idiot. stop shitposting and read a book you dumb fuck

>>730693535

>Hitler talking about equal rights

The fact you used that quote to show he is left wing is a good example as to how easily voters can be mislead.

If I call myself a unicorn, would you believe me too?

>>730693538
>>730692298 (You)
>>730692509
different guys
I don't think either of us is American

>>730693535
Yeah, because calling a sack of manure "flower" will certainly make it smells nicer.

>>730688819
>Prohibition
>Constitutional
That amendment was a mistake that congress fixed long ago

>>730693408
>That is, very literally, impossible.
It seems the joke went over your head. I was calling conservatives mentally retarded which is 30-40 points below the average IQ. In reality they are on average only about 8 points below liberals.

>>730693552

Americans DON'T have a left wing party.

>>730688629
Hah. One of those alternative facts

>>730693609
>Communism is Liberal, moron.
How can someone who knows so little speak with such arrogance?

>>730693540
Fuck man I'm tired and about ready to pass out but this shit made me laugh pretty damn good.

>>730692250
Your nigger king was in charge from 2008 - 2016 goy

>>730692779
> What's really important is to differentiate being Socialist from believing in socialist programs.

Fair enough. Though, I would add that often the reason people bring up socialist programs in these discussions is to illustrate the point that, no matter how conservative you are, you do appreciate the need for governmental assistance. It highlights the facts that the discussion is really about where you draw the line, and that the labels are less important.

>>730691730
Republicans tend to be more liberal whereas Democrats tend to be more socialist

>>730693759
that's what i said. that still doesn't mean economic policy isn't the number 1 characteristic of a party's ideological system. there are no left-wing parties in the us currently, but that won't last forever

>>730693535
>not having read mein kampf.
>not knowing that hitler hated communists and socialists
>getting rekt by communist Russia
>fascism is a far right ideology

this is the 10th concurrent right wing propaganda thread on /b/ right now.

reddit's here. and they aren't leaving.

>>730691097
>What's really important is to differentiate being Socialist from believing in socialist programs

Why? How?

Isn't that like saying we have to differentiate between Christians and people who believe in a Christian God?

>>730693609
Communism is both socially and economically conservative.

>>730694002
>Communism is both socially and economically conservative

what the fuck am i reading

>>730694002
Communism is about more government control.

Conservatism is about LESS government control.

Keep spinning though....

>>730693587
Congratulations, you've summed up Das Kapital in one terse line.

Most people who hate Communism just don't understand it.

>>730689594
They had auto/semiautomatic weapons at that time. They even allowed citizens to own cannons (most commonly used by private merchant vessels). And yes, the founding fathers had total knowledge of all this while writing the Constitution.

>>730694113
sorry frendo, but communism is right-wing. just because you don't like what you are discovering as truth doesn't make it any less true.

>>730694113
communism is stateless you dumb fuck

jesus christ you people are uneducated

>>730693609
>communism is liberal

you know, if more people actually took the time to educate themselves, we might have less people here espousing shitty opinions and blatant falsehoods.

but no, that'll never happen, because conservatives are anti-intellectual

>>730694072
Socially communism is about total control for the benefit of the state.
Economically communism is about total control of the economy by the state.

>Conservatism is about less government control
No that's social liberalism.

>>730694194
>communism is stateless you dumb fuck

Tell that to those who lived under former Soviet control. Tell that to Cubans.

>>730694207
communist is STATELESS

READ A BOOOOOOK


>>730694252
that's not communism, that's socialism

>>730694330
>Stateless
In theory, in practice it's all about the state. Just fucking look at every fucking communist state.

>>730694113
Actually in communism to create a stateless society, state gets most of the power at first. And then only stateless society can be created

>>730689028
Municipal services =/= socialism
Military capability =/= socialism
Infrastructure =/= socialism

Try again faggot.

Communism follows Capitalist principles but is economically Liberal.

>>730694407
>And then only stateless society can be created
Except the state never actually cedes control lel

>>730694377
communism doesn't equal socialism

seriously man, you're very uneducated. read a book please

>>730694479
Who said anything about socialism?

>>730689594
The constitution was literally designed to be a living and maliable document.

Stop being so butthurt that your rush to the left is being slowed by apprehension and distrust of centralized planning. There are dozens of examples of that sort of thing failing.

>>730694549
all the worker's states created so far were socialist, not communist

>>730694479
Communism has never (nor will it ever be) fully implemented as described. It corrupts into a socialist dictatorship every single time, and will always do so.

>>730694606
>history will remain static because that's what ruling class ideology teaches me

sure thing anon

>>730694377
You can't make an "in practice" argument, because Communism hasn't been applied anywhere, except arguably Catalonia - but it was Stateless anyway, so...

>>730694437
What. Please stop posting.

>>730694407
Mostly right, yeah.

>>730694207
Communism can only exist without a State. What you're saying is false, or either you meant to place something else where you typed "Communism".

>>730694185
Communism isn't left-wing or right-wing.

>>730694113
Please read above.

Fuck you all wagecucks. Keep sucking that (((capitalist))) cock that you're so fond of

>>730694604
>were socialist not communist
Call it by any other name, they call themselves communists.

>>730694647
>>730694606
>How dare you deviate from Marx theorems to the countries that actually implemented it

Please kys

>>730694479
That's right. It equals failure.

>>730694647
Yeah yeah, in a vacuum communism is peachy-keen.

Do us all a favor and go find a vacuum to sleep in.

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>>730694644
>We can do it better than everyone else who attempted the same exact things and thought they could do it better too.

>>730694716
Stop shaming homosexuals because you don't like their politics.

>>730694723
Stalin, castro were no Marxist

>>730694135
But what you're describing isn't communism, it's the objective Marx wished to reach. Communism was a tool to reach said objective bur it's highly suspect that even Marx would have approved of it considering his teachings.

End doesn't justify the jeans and all that.

>>730688629
Cite a study to support your conclusions.

You can't, of course.

>>730694873
They were failures. Truth be told, that's really the only label they need.

Other than murderer....

>>730694830
capitalists fucked it up for those trying to implement it. yes, greedy capitalists.

eliminate them, and then you can implement true pure communism.

>>730694723
>Call it by any other name, they call themselves communists.

Actually, no, WE called them Communists. There was a joke in the USSR:

"Communism is like the horizon; we are ever marching towards it, and it is ever receding".

Soviets made no claims that they were a functioning Communist country, but that they were a country working towards the Communist ideal.

There's a big difference. Please, please, stop posting things that you don't know anything about.

>>730694873
>Stalin, Castro were no marxist
Yeah, showing everyone exactly what happens when you concentrate power into the state without any checks and balances. It just becomes a military dictatorship with fancy dressing.

Are conservatives so concerned with IQ for compensation..or something else? I never understood that. IQ is just some fucking numbers that people use to make themselves feel bigger than others.

>>730694925
I think you better go read up on the early 1900s history of Russia. They killed those people, and gee it still didn't seem to work.

>>730694940
>Soviets made no claims that they were a functioning Communist country, but that they were a country working towards the Communist ideal.
Can you refrain from contradicting yourself when you are trying to make points against the thing you are talking about?

>>730694912
What I'm describing IS Communism. The tool to reach it was Socialism.

Marx never laid out the tenets and vision of a Communist world, but make no mistake, he was a Communist. He was an angry man, upset with the state of the world he lived in - but he was also a genius. Probably the most influential economic thinker in history so far.

If we weren't ideological enemies, we'd be studying Marx in colleges. And actually, sometimes Marx is even taught in comparative economic theory courses, or alternative economic practice courses.

>>730694925
So, let me see if I understand you correctly.

All we need to do is eliminate greed and we're good, right?

Are you even reading what you're writing?

>>730695029
>being a communist and wanting to be a communist are contradictory lmfao REKT

>>730694940
>There's a big difference
Yeah and all Democracies aren't democratic countries. they're just a country working towards a democratic ideal.

Please drink some bleach.

>>730695098
>working towards a communist ideal doesn't make you a communist

Do you even know what an ideal is?

>>730695063
>muh human nature!!!

>>730695141
Jesus Christ, you're dense.

Let's break it down like I would explain it to a kindergartner.

I hand you an apple. I tell you it's an orange. What is it?

I hand you an apple, and tell you that one day it will turn into an orange. What is it?

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>>730694940
This. capitalists btfo, this is communist general now. Get your ass in here comrades

>>730695098
While applaud your attempt at sophistry, It makes a 3 year old seem intelligent.

>>730695102
>hurr durr there's literally no difference between what a country currently is and what it eventually wants to reach

>>730695208
>Apple
>It's an orange

Nice false analogy

You hand me a Macintosh and you want to turn it into a Fuji.
By your logic they're not both apples.

Kys

>>730695063
exactly, and greed is part of what defines the right-wing and conservatism. it's all about "independence" (translation "me and mine"), and not wanting to share for the good of the community. people who are like this need to be removed from the equation, so that the rest of us can live together in peace and equality.

>>730695147
>convincing argument

As if such things weren't inherently part of the reasons all governments experience some level of failure.

Which seems to be the issue with those pushing such ideas. The pursuit of some socialist utopia that is unreachable because of human nature.

>>730691766
Right wingers are the biggest supporters of israel you know

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>>730693676
>>730693702
>>730693960
>passes welfare laws
>passes gun control
>Places strict limits on corporate profits
>Taxes the rich heavily
>tries to force out Christianity
>encourages single motherhood
Liberals who want all the same things
>"The guy that did that was RIGHT WING!!!!"

>>730695245
>There's literally no difference
I didn't say there's no difference, what I said is that they are communist countries.

Hitler, Stalin and Obama were all Liberals, that's reason enough to oppose them.

>>730695286
Not all governments. Your argument about human nature was debunked in the mid 20th century.

>>730695266
Sure, if "apple" is analogous to "economic system" and each type of apple is a different system under that umbrella.

The point wasn't to make a direct analogy, but to get you to understand that there is a difference between practice and ideal. I feel like this idea is so simple that it shouldn't be taking you this long to understand it.

>>730695284
Greed exists in all humans. Even yourself.

Woops. Guess eliminating greedy people won't affect the change you're after.

>>730695245
Yeah there's a difference between political ideals and political reality.
Sadly for you they ones in control subscribe to a particular chapter of politics called communism. The process of changing them into a politcally ideal communist state doesn't make them into any less of a communist country just because you like to engage in semantics.

>>730695306
Okay, well if you understand that, then you cannot blame a Socialist failure on Communism. If you realize that it has not yet existed, then it could not have failed.

>>730694185
Right Wing
>Pro-religion
>Pro-tradition
>Pro-hierarchy
>Pro-nuclear family
Communism
>Anti-religion
>Anti-tradition
>anti-family
>anti-hierarchy
You
>profoundly retarded

>>730695444
Wow, the first time in history that trips have been wrong.

>>730689372
The Constitution literally says that judges are there to interpret it. So how can you support the Constitution but not want judges to interpret it? Or if you just mean how lay people interpret it? Because that is not in the Constitution.

>>730695475
>anti-family

Some types of communism aren't anti-family, just to be clear to anyone reading.

>>730695403
>economic system
Communist is a political system not an economic one.
Your analogies are shit just like your opinions.
>There's a difference between practice and ideal
Yeah so physics isn't physics until you see it in motion. You can't call it physics or study it because it hasn't reached the ideal perfection with no error.

Please eat shit and kill yourself.

In an ideal world where humans are reasonable, Communism is the perfect political system.

We aren't so it's not.

>>730695061
Socialism is a basic human tenet provided by our basic human tribal nature. It existed long before communism and will exist long after it's forgotten.

Marx was a Marxist. Communism is a bastardisation of his teachings that is ultimately self-defeating in the aim of reaching Marx's goals.

And before the college student stereotype was a hipster who quotes bloggers while wearing thick rimmed glasses, it was a beatnik who quotes Marx while wearing a beret.

TLDR: You need to learn to seperate Marx and his teachings from the historical legacy that followed.

>>730695444
Sure. They're a Communist country, seeking a Communist ideal, employing Socialism in every aspect of practical application.

This doesn't make the argument that Communism wants control of the government any more or less false.

>>730695510
Judges are there to uphold it libtard

>>730695516
>'not all socialists want to kill jews, guise, srsly'

>>730695475
>Anti-religion
They're pro any religion that lines up with the party ideology
>Anti tradition
They're pro any tradition that lines up with the party ideology
>Anti family
They're pro families that line up with the party ideology
>Anti hierarchy
They're pro any hierarchy that line up with the party ideology

Wrong on so many levels

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>>730688629
>Why is it that Conservatives on average score 20pts higher on IQ tests compared to Liberals?
Is there data supporting your claim or did you hear it through your meth high?

>>730690069
Yes. That is exactly what socialism is.

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>>730695534
>Communist is a political system not an economic one

>>730689730
So...the woman on this meme lives in my town.
She is a worthless libtard with an Obama phone. Ignorant and lazy, for sure. Proud? Doubtful.

>>730695620
Most jews are socialist. Wtf you taking about goyim

Marxism is meh.

Stalinism > Marxism

>>730695605
>Communism wants control of the government any more or less false

So you agree they're communists?

Ok thanks your bleach is ready for consumption.

>>730695683
wrong. most are greedy capitalists.

try again.

>>730695662
It's not.
See: China.
It's 2017 not 1955.

>>730691649
Everyone on both sides of this argument is saying shit is well documented but I haven't seen one link to support either argument.

>>730695675
the woman on this meme lives in my town.
She is a worthless republican with a Trump phone. Ignorant, lazy, drug addicted.

>>730695563
>Socialism is a basic human tenet provided by our basic human tribal nature. It existed long before communism and will exist long after it's forgotten.

No, Communism was that "basic human tenet". That's why there are Communist movements that want to get back to that time, called Primitivists. Socialism requires a State. Communism requires a government.

Communism is not a bastardization of his teachings. The implementation thereof, there's an argument for. But the goal that Lenin wanted to reach was absolutely exactly what Marx describes in Vol 3 of Capital.

There certainly is a difference between Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, etc... Each following a legacy. But just because this is true doesn't mean that Marx wasn't a Communist.

In fact, "Marx's teachings" were primarily a critique of the free market system, and he described a chain of events (that are largely still happening today) that would lead to Communism.

Ever heard of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat?

>>730695775
you havent met jews if you think that.

come to new york some time, you'll hate it.

>>730692298
Not by global standards.

>>730693442
Yeah I bet you are genius according to shitty online IQ test

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>>730688629
White Liberals are ultimate Cucks. I can't hear them talking about Islamic dick in their mouth

>>730695857
>muh sophistry and semantics that ultimately boil down to nothing

>>730695637

What are you on about? Right wingers defend the rights of American Muslims and Jews as much as anyone else, because they respect freedom of religion in the USA.

>>730695648

Yes.

Successful troll was successful. So much retardation in this thread. Wait I meant webpage.

>>730695534
>Communist is a political system not an economic one.

Oh boy, so you're just uneducated. Okay, I see the problem here now.

>Yeah so physics isn't physics until you see it in motion. You can't call it physics or study it because it hasn't reached the ideal perfection with no error.

........... Yeah, because before it was called physics, in its most primitive form, it was called Natural Philosophy.

I mean, seriously. You're sitting here trying to lecture people and you get every thing you say wrong. Where did you go to school?

>>730695955
>because they respect freedom of religion
And the Communist party will respect any freedom of religion as long as the control the messaging.

>>730695761
It seems my point went way over your head.

>>730695943
>i can't respond so i'll insult instead

I guess we're done here?

>>730688905
>existance
Missing a few IQ points already.

>>730696050
>You're just uneducated
Sorry I'm don't engage in sophistry or semantics. The most successful communist state subscribes to capitalist economic policies. Except the state controls it much more compared to democratic countries.
I don't talk about failed states and social experiments.

>>730688629
conservative majors: STEM, sciences
liberal majors: liberal arts, insert-bs-here-studies, humanities
Do your math

>>730696175
wrong. liberals are mostly in academia, while conservatives become things like janitors, auto mechanics, or work in agriculture.

>>730696175
Scientists and any other stem major is decidedly libral

>>730695637
>'Religion is the opiate of the masses'
>'One fact is common... the social exploitation of one group by another cannot be eliminated except by the disappearance of past norms'
anti-family
>'With the... family began the subjugation and bartering of women who may only be free from slavery when the family is abolished'
All direct quotes from Marx or Engles

>>730696175
college majors are mostly all overwhelmingly liberal.

>>730695821
Pew research, CDC, Census, and National Center for Education Statistics have all be cited

>>730696175
this isn't exactly true. there are plenty of annoying liberal "call out every instance of what I think is discrimination" people in my chem and engineering design classes at school. i'm willing to bet there are a ton of retarded bible thumpers wanting to paint pictures and study christianity in the third world types here too.

>>730696329
>muh philosphy vs reality
You ever step into a communist country before?
Or do you just sit and read about communism on the internet?

>>730696462
yea, i lived for 8 years in obama's america.

>>730695332
Saying it with conviction doesn't make it true.

>>730696175

>Do your math

I'm Liberal so I can't, but I can make a pretty painting using period blood.

>>730696514
lol yea it does. ever hear of alternative facts?

>>730693400
What do states have to do with anything? The smartest people in a blue state can be conservative yet still be outnumbered by liberals.

>>730696509
>Hurr durr Obama means communism.
Spend a day in a chinese prison as a political opponent to the party and see what it's really like.

>>730696175
Wow, people still think this?

Also, it's always quite convenient that people leave out philosophy from these assertions. Sweep up the single most important study throughout history under the rug, they won't notice.

>>730696277
This is somewhat true.

>>730696297
Also true.

>>730696509

Obama was a left wing extremist but he wasn't communist.

>>730696514
No, but it being true makes it true. Engage with the material outside of /b/ and the dinner table. Get out there and educate yourself.

>>730696640
lol no way. why would I do something like that?

>>730696690
>implying there is a difference.

>>730696690
>wanted people to have health care
>wanted to end pointless war
>wanted to shut down torture black-sites in Cuba

>extremist

>>730696723
You seem to mistake slightly left leaning centre right politics as communism.

>>730695061
>most influential economic thinker
Yes I see the influence of communism in so many successful countries today. Oh wait...

>>730695885
PoliSci textbooks
>both are Liberal
Encyclopedia
>Both are Liberal
The Australian party with essentially the American Republican Party's platform?
>The Liberal Party
Other international Political Parties that are officially affiliated with the American Republican Party because they have similar platforms?
>Social Democrat Movement; National Progressive Force; Liberal Democratic Party
Looks like globally they are liberal....

>>730695857
>Socialism requires a State.

As I have already pointed out, all socialism requires is a tribe and that's all it had for hundreds of thousands of years.

Marx was not a communist, I don't think he ever lived to hear the term.

>>730696624
But are they?

You can't possibly think that every single state on that map is a case of really smart conservatives being drowned out by dumb liberals, and vice versa?

Occam's razor, my friend.

>>730695212
Only 10 million more need to starve to death before we reach full communism comrades!!!

>>730694940
Only 10 million more need to starve to death before we reach full communism comrades!!!

>>730696818
You actually do.

But you're too dumb to figure it out.

>>730696793
yea, I know you were too young to really understand the obama era, but it was literally communism.

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>>730696462
Shorter you
>"It doesn't matter what they say, what they want, or what they plan for. It doesn't matter that Communists murdered literally millions of people for being religious, adhereing to traditions, or putting family before Party. In a few isolated times and places a few people who were Communists might not have fully supported killing all priests, so Communism isn't anti-religion'
Typical brain-dead commie fuck

>>730696827
Let's try and prove that you don't have a fucking clue by going to one of Marx's most famous quotes:

>Let the ruling classes tremble at a communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Workingmen of all countries, unite!

Karl Marx

Seriously, I appreciate the effort, but stay in the kid's sandbox until you educate yourself more.

>>730696939
And how many more until we realize Capitalism is unsustainable?

>>730697029
>try and prove
why don't you try to learn proper grammar, faggot.

>>730696976
>braindead commie

I'm not a commie, communism is fucked.
You however are totally braindead and live in an echo chamber of shit.

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>>730696976
>capitalism is so innocent

>>730697120
That was gramatically correct. It would have been more effective as "try to prove", but they both are technically correct.

source: was an english major in undergrad

also, not the anon you were replying to

>>730697073
Explain how capitalism is unsustainable? When I go to the supermarket for some bread I get to choose from 30 different kinds of regular white bread. Not to mention that the shelves are always stocked. It's almost like competition and choice leads to surplus and sustainability.

>>730697211
it's an idiom, which makes that guy sound less educated. He should probably write properly if he is going to talk down to people and say they need to be better educated.

>>730697266
It's perfectly sustainable, we just need to adjust the taxation levels to ensure people don't starve or live in horrible conditions. Then it's back to business as usual.

Right now shit is fucked because it's approaching plutocracy rather than democracy.

>>730697266
>Explain how capitalism is unsustainable

Are you kidding me? I'm a conservative and even I think this is the stupidest question in this thread.

The endless harvesting of resources and destruction of the land for short-term gain? Ever heard of the diminishing amazon rainforest? air pollution? dead zones of soil all across the world that have been fertilized and tilled so many times that nothing will grow there anymore? coal and oil reserves that will eventually run out because of their overuse?

come on, even i'm not dumb enough to ignore all this. I believe that we can do better without infringing on future generations, but I still want to buy my 30 kinds of bread in the grocery store.

>>730697135
Capitalism is an economic system. Democracy is a form of government.

>>730697266
exactly. there's nothing unsustainable about the production of everything that ends up in our grocery stores and malls. what's more sustainable than a surplus? a bunch of shit that gets thrown away? that's the definition of sustainability

>>730697492
First off, apparently you've never taken part in academia. Idioms don't equate to sounding less intelligent (in fact, they're used in dissertations all the time), and even IF they were, a person SOUNDING less intelligent because they used an idiom doesn't mean that the content of their discussion isn't top notch. I've been following the discussion and you can't keep up.

just my .02

do i sound less educated now? ;)

>>730697120
Sure. Dismiss the hard parts on a grammatical technicality.

>>730697669
i'm not the guy you were arguing with, just saw that and thought it was ironic.

>>730697514
The resource harvesting is fine as long as it's distributed more equitably. The problem is the concentration of wealth is amongst the very few who can literally sustain 20 generations of millionaires and still have enough money for another 10 while people are starving in rich countries because they're hoarding all the wealth.

>>730697649
"try and do" sounds less educated that "try to do"

so does capitalizing one word in a paragraph to make it stand out.

People can argue back and forth time and time again, and it will get absolutely nowhere now, just as it hasn't in the past.

The real problem that no one wants to talk about is human overpopulation. We're way to overpopulated and hence there aren't enough resources for everyone so we end up arguing over them. Political systems, economics, ecology ALL are part of this problem!

The answer is simple. Limit every single couple to only 1 child for 2 or 3 generations. This will greatly reduce the over population problem that we are all facing. This needs to be mandated by all governments of the world, and strictly enforced, with absolutely no exceptions.

Once we get the population size under control, then we need to all work to maintain that.

>>730697819
"Try and...." is not grammatically correct, and too many people use this incorrect colloquialism.

>>730697758
But... It's not.

Is it bad im Pro Social programs (education/health/social security), enviornmentalism and renewable energy so we rely less on those saudi sand niggers, Guns, and tax cuts for businesses but anti immigration, muslims/mexicans?

I feel like im all over the place. I hate those liberal fucks who complain about white washing, feminism, nigger rights, and muslim integration but I also hate those stupid redneck cucks who want to waste my tax money with an anti beaner wall.

>>730698164
yea it is, because >>730698129

its like that picture with the redneck holding the sign that says "get a brain, morans!"

>>730698129
>Try and...."

An ellipsis only has 3 periods. Not having using a proper ellipsis is not grammatically correct.

>>730697819
Fine, let's say you're right. If he SOUNDS less educated, what does that actually mean for you? He raises valid points and argues well, but that can be dismissed because of an idiom?

Surely you aren't that dumb.

>>730698244
see
>>730698256

>>730698256
see>>730697758

>>730688629
I think they should test a few trailer parks here in the midwest. That'll bring numbers down.

>>730697500
>horrible conditions
Only 2% of Americans live in conditions that the World Bank considers "poor"

>>730698642
The cost of living in America is much higher.

>>730697135
>Half that shit was not about Capitalism
>Other half the Commies also did

>>730697646
Wat

>>730697500
nah, its actually been moving away from plutocracy for decades. you just get people arguing against this plutocratic shit more because we're becoming more democratic as a people.

>>730698642
>statistics without context

Let's remember that the rest of the world is so poor that just by BEING BORN HERE, you are more wealthy than something like 60% of everyone else.

Also, just because very few people are struggling to find a place to sleep, food to eat and fresh water every day, doesn't excuse the fact that this is the wealthiest country that the world has ever seen and yet 2% of its people are "poor". The number for people living under the poverty line is much higher. Why can't we afford to get people out of poverty?

Oh right, because billionaires need incentive to trade money between banks and bet on defaults.

>>730698642
fucking this!

those crying about 1%ers need to go volunteer in a 3rd world country, and see what the definition of "poor" really is. they bitch and moan about rich people all while enjoying their gaming systems, flat screen tvs, iphones, and ipads. seriously, if you live in america, you're one of the wealthiest people on the planet.

>>730698839
Sure thing bro everyone is lying that's a better explanation.

>>730697784
Without large agricultural corporations like Sysco or Tyson, you'd be paying exorbitantly more money for basic food items. You may want to be thankful for that 1%.

>>730698916
not what I said, but ok.

>>730697847
>population control
It's already happening. 1st world countries let 3rd world countries starve. Abortions are legal almost everywhere. The idea of parenthood is no longer being pushed as a worthy life choice.

>>730698719
Thanks to capitalism. I'd sure as shit rather spend $500,000 on a house in America than trade Ongo Bongo some marbles for a mud hut in Somalia.

>>730699088
China is also limiting couples to only one child, but overall much more needs to be done by the rest of the world.

If we don't, mother nature eventually will with a famine, or virus.

>>730699255
China's one child policy ended quite a few years ago

>>730699241
No trading would be needed. The local community all pitches in, and builds houses for each other. No one pays anyone, but everyone chips in when needed for the good of the community.

>>730698879
see
>>730698846

>>730699241
>somalia, the only truly capitalistic nation in the world

Kek