Why don't you own an AR-15 for self-defense, and to protect

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>>730426826
I do you cocksucker

Because I don't love in a fucking war-zone.

cause i like phones better.

>>730426826
because i live in a civilized country, i don't need it

>>730426931
>>730426941
>>730426950
3 posts, 3 kuks

I'm legally mentally ill and they won't let me get firearms. probably a good thing too because i'd just end up shooting myself with it.

>>730426931
>I don't love in a fucking war-zone

I don't "love" in war zones either cause I dont want my cock shot off

The same reason I didn't own one the last 456,038 times this was posted.

>>730426826

euro-cuck "cus muh country not murica, cus im not rednik murican, onley murican dumb nuff to ned one"

tell that to your dead fellow europeans killed by the muslims who cuck you xD

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>>730426895

>EOTech
>tactical buttplug on rail

Nigga whats wrong with you?

>>730427024
so you're saying that having built a country and society where people are so rarely victims of crime that they don't need weapons for self-defense is a "kuk" thing, while being constantly hounded by angry niggers and retarded rednecks and therefore having to have weapons to defend oneself like a caveman is preferable.

ok Cletus.

>>730426931
>>730427157
Oh, shit typo.

>>730426931
>Because I don't love in a fucking war-zone.

Love is a battlefield anon

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>>730427276
I do what i want. Where's yours faggot?

>>730426950
What country is that?

Bumperoni

Because I can kill intruders and not
my family better with a shotgun,
because I can feed my family better
with a 30-06. Got rid of some pesky
squirrels with my gramp's
remmington 22 long mfg in 1898.

OP doesn't even have a Tac-Sac. Do you even shoot /b/ro?

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>>730427497

>3
>4 coming soon

Just busting your balls, broski.

>>730426826
Never needed one because not a redneck coward.

I haven't even picked up a loaded weapon since I left the military 17 years ago. Realistically I don't think I ever will again.

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>>730428215
We haven't forgotten that shit, murderer...

>>730428487
Sure, you're a cuck who approves of niggers raping your wife, or boyfriend, wiping their asses on your waifu...

>>730428579
I also ate them

>>730428444
>broski

I thought I was the only person who said that. Also I'll take all the shit talk from someone who also owns guns, but what I won't do is let some faggot nogunz cod kiddy talk shit. Anyway nice rifles.

>trips checked

>>730428444
>no BUIS

>>730428487
> redneck coward for having a gun
>I'm a veteran
I have doubt.

>>730426826
I have several

>>730426950
>the government will protect me
kek

>>730427305
There's no correlation between overall violence in a country and legal gun ownership.

The only correlation ever proven is one between gun ownership and the percentage of violence committed with guns. You're living in a fantasy world.

>>730426826

I unfortunately live in a state with strong gun control, and the AR-15 is pretty much banned unless you make it useless for anything.

>>730426826
Because the AR-15 is a shit weapon in close range combat such as home defense. You'd be further ahead using something with a shorter barrel that's less prone to jamming.

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>>730428781

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>>730426826

Got a DD and BCM, oldschool Colt is next

>>730429472
>prone to jamming meme
How fucking old are you, 12?

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>>730426826
Hey now

because i own an ak instead

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BCM Precision 18 Mk2

>>730429472
You're full of shit.

I do. There's a 12.5" 6.8 SPC within reach.

>>730427321
Top kekkles

>>730426826
I prefer a shotgun with a machete taped to it

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>>730429919
What's the bottom one? Custom build? Kinda looks like an HK of some sort.

Because I'm not a fucking coward who's afraid of the world.

>>730430003
The only right answer.
Cheeki breeki my good man.

>>730430492
Says the coward afraid of the world

>>730430492
It's odd how so many of the anti gun arguments involve cowardice. The gun owners I know are about as far from being cowards as you can get.

>>730426826
.22 sucks dick

because this country ain't worth defending.

>>730430492

And yet, you stare at the ground in public and can't speak above a mumble.

>>730430492
You're on /b/. That's obviously a lie.

>>730430385
Look at it. It's a billet lower with a picture that has been flipped. It's backwards.

>>730426950

>earth 2017
>civilized country

Pick one.

>>730430623
Except 5.56 isn't 22 rimfire, and there are plenty of calibers up to 50 BMG you can shoot from an AR.

>>730430758
>Antarctica would like a word

>>730426826
Because a handgun and shotgun are all I need

>>730430844

John Kerry has already polluted Antarctica with his presence.

>>730430907
Fookin nice rifle. Reminds me of the psg1 i was too poor to afford. I ended up buying a hi point to keep in my tacklebox

>>730431087
Ah fuck, you got me there.

Nuke em all, let mars have a chance

Spent all my money on hot pockets.

>>730426826
Its a hillbilly gun. There's better things to piss money away on.

>>730430626

This is true, but shooting is fun.

>>730431118
>Fookin nice rifle.
Changed the compensator since that pic. had to make it NJ legal.

Lots of range time in it's future now that the weather is getting nice.

>>730430604
Because it's easy to act big when you've got a rifle. Kinda like how Mexicans act tough since they are always roaming in packs like the animals they are.

Without their guns to "protect" them, rednecks would have to grow up and learn to live and talk like civilized people...which of course their inbred selves can't handle the thought of...after all, why bother becoming a better person, hate and fear worked for great-great-grand-pappy, so it'll goshdern work for all of us!

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I really don't have an excuse for not owning an AR

>>730430626
>because this country ain't worth defending.

But my property and my family is.

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But I do. Both are mine

>>730431493
That's strange. The people I know don't act big because we've got a gun. We stay out of fights, and we don't run in packs. We also live in cities, have that new invention called electric lights and INDOOR PLUMBING!

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>>730430816
i didn't say it was, and so what

>>730431493

>being this blubbery
>being this upset
>being this embarrassing
>crying this hard

I like shooting guns. It's fun and there is never going to be a fucking thing you can ever do about it except cry on tumblr so get fucked lol

>>730431493
I'm not sure where you get the part about stupid rednecks, hate and fear. I know lots of engineers, doctors, lawyers, and pilots among other professions who own guns. None ofthem is stupid. None of us are afraid. Most of us aren't rednecks. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

>>730431960
That's strange, the people I know do act big because they've got a gun, they love to drink and get into fights, and I see rednecks running in packs crammed into the backs of shitty Ford pickups all the time.

And congratulatons, you have electricity, something literally no one is impressed by. Using a smarter person's invention doesn't make you yourself civilized.

>>730432488
You might check the company you're running with if you have lots of problems with drunks with guns.

>>730432200
You...I like you. Because you can admit the real reason. You just like 'em. I hate gunfucks for one reason...they are 99% full of shit. "Oh protection, oh the government corruption." Bullshit, you like things that go boom, just own up to it, admit you are an easily entertained baboon on the same level as your average nigger, and we can all carry on...that's all I ask.

>>730432488
You're a someone who gets bullied in a small town aren't you?

>>730426826
I can't in my shity country

>>730426826
Because I live in Commiefornia where the kikes in Sacramento want to strip us of our constitutional rights.

>>730431493
>I'm civilized because all gun owners are rednecks and inbred and fearful and ignorant

The irony is fucking tangible.

>>730432813
>Because I live in Commiefornia where the kikes in Sacramento want to strip us of our constitutional rights.

A Trump led SCOTUS will soon fix that.

>>730432651
They aren't MY company, the just exist in the region, like many other animals do.

>>730432816
The antis do a lot of projecting. Some of the honest ones admit they're afraid of us having guns because they don't trust themselves with one. Anger management issues.

>>730432952
So you've willfully chosen to be disarmed in the presence of what you describe as violent drunks because guns hurt your fee fees?

>>730432816
When the excuse stops being this pitiful, oft-used "protection" and "what if the government goes bad" BS, I'll stop calling them ignorant and fearful. For right now, I'll call conspiracy nuts what they are...idiots.

To many no guns in here. The AR is a great platform for home defense, and hunting. There are several types of ammo to use in a home defense situation that have less penetration then higher grain 9mm. Shotguns are terrible for home defense unless u live in the middle of no where and have no family in the house as well. I really love the AR but I'm much more of a pistol guy. But if my door is locked in late at night I'm not reaching for shotgun with 00 buck or slugs; I'm grabbing the AR.

>>730432952
Maybe you should move to a civilized area and get some friends with guns to protect you? Or you could get yourself arrested and go to prison. That should cut down on the drunks with guns.

That's not a self-defense weapon and you know it.

>>730433160
I carry a gun every day to protect myself and my family. I'm glad judgmental idiots don't get to make the choice for me.

>>730433131
I don't go around pissing off said violent drunks, they tend to do that too each other...I mind my business, like most sane people do.

I know plenty of these people on a personal basis, hang out with 'em, hell I've gone to the range and admired the shots they take. One of 'em taught me how to shoot a bow.

I'm just not stupid enough to think I NEED the shit in my life. It's an accessory that I don't care to have, and a form of entertainment I don't find all THAT entertaining.

>>730426826
Because you will be able to mount an effective resistance when the government comes to arrest people just for excercising their right to free speech or some other fundemental right. The whole world (including the federal gov) does owe you for giving them something to laugh at for so many years. You have been a source of comedy unlike any other in history except for (maybe) the nazis.

>>730432928
>SCOTUS
More like SCROTUS! Amirite?

Guys?

>>730433333
Qints

>>730433333
Sure it is. Didn't you read about the guy who shot the crooks doing the home invasion with one? It worked quite well.

>>730433333
Did you even see the news in Oklahoma?

>>730433744
ayyy this guy fucks

>>730433333
>That's not a self-defense weapon and you know it.
Any weapon used for self defense is a self defense weapon.

Any weapon used to assault is an assault weapon.

Any weapon owned and used legally is a Constitutional Right.

>>730433160
Conspiracy nuts?
How fucking stupid are you?
Do you live under a literal fucking rock?

I'm not fucking around with a gun just because it's fun (it sure is, but that's not why I have one) I have several because there was a triple homicide with drug connections in my nice little slice of rural America. One of the houses in my neighborhood was actually just a drug den.

I've had random strangers come up to me in the middle of the night while I'm minding my own business and try to buy drugs off of me.

Just because you don't have to live knee deep in the shit doesn't mean the people who aren't on your fucking high horse don't.

And I swear to fucking god if one more misguided dumb fucking retard tells me to just trust the government I'm going to start dumping links that will make you piss your pants instead of talk about my guns.

>>730433744
Did you read about the guy that missed and accidentally shot his kid through a wall? Or the guy who shot his wife cleaning the thing?

Admittedly you could do this with any gun when you don't know what you're doing, but I think people who use these large rifles inside their homes are asking for trouble.

>>730433696
Are you familiar with the Warsaw Ghetto? Citizens with guns can really cause problems in an urban environment. When you combine a large percentage of the gun owners who are former military and are familiar with IEDs and other fun things it becomes even more complicated.

>>730426826
i've got 3, and an AR10 style in .308, so.....

Why not prove you are more than a weak sack of shit and take your dick extension - I mean your weapon and head over to the middle east and shoot a bunch of muslims instead of letting the military do it for you? At least Jihadis have some basic courage (no matter how misplaced).

>>730434055
Damn, we have a lot in common. Except I live in an urban shit hole. When the thugs and narcos got guns. We as Americans are allowed to have them as well.

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>>730433916
Is that in the NRA handbook?

>>730434309
That's because you're fucking clueless.

Glocks, a very popular type of handgun require pulling the trigger to disassmble and this is a feature on several other handguns.

Handguns can also pop through walls just as easily if not easier when loaded with FMJ/Ball.

You're clueless and it's starting to piss me off

>>730434309
A 5.56 AR is going to be less likely to over penetrate walls than a pistol or shotgun with slugs. Small light bullets which depend on velocity lose effectiveness fast when they go through a wall and start breaking up. As for accidentally shooting people there are rules for gun safety to prevent that. Follow them and the worst thing you'll be doing is patching the floor or the roof.

>>730434309
>Did you read about the guy that missed and accidentally shot his kid through a wall? Or the guy who shot his wife cleaning the thing?
>Admittedly you could do this with any gun when you don't know what you're doing, but I think people who use these large rifles inside their homes are asking for trouble.

Did you hear about they guy that left his engine running in the garage and killed his entire family. OR the one that backed out of the garage and ran over his kid?

Motor vehicles inside a garage is just asking for trouble.

>>730434055
Kek, what are you doing out with druggies in the middle of the night?

>>730434055
I live in a really rundown apartment that is known for being a drug-sellers roost. literally one block away, there is another similar apartment building...pot. meth, crack ,you can get everything around here.

Thing is, I'm not a fucking idiot who thinks brute force and threat of violence is the only way to deal with shit...as I said previously, I just don't engage these types of people really...it's called street smarts, mind your business...I can stay relaxed because I stay out of shit. I get worried people through the neighborhood all the time, asking if it's always like this...yeah it is, but if you aren't dense, you'll be fine.

Owning a weapon would just make me more likely to be robbed, and in most murder cases, you aren't going to have the time to pull your precious little toy...you'll be dead from a bullet to the back, or some other ambush. End of story...life isn't a movie, and you aren't going to get into any glorious firefights.

>>730434521
>Is that in the NRA handbook?

It's in this thing called the Constitution and Bill of Rights. You should actually read it some day.

>>730433916
>legally

But that is such a fluid word. You realize what's legal today could be illegal the next, or vice versa. So you would agree with a law stating all AR-15s are reserved for military and special task forces, and give up your weapon because it is no longer constitutional to own it? Or would you say the previous lack of law regarding your ownership the constitutional one?

Because my government prevents me owning a gun for self defense.

I own my AR-15 for "hunting".

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>>730426826
Literally no excuse

>>730426826

Because AK-74 is superior. And more gangsta.

>>730434695
>>legally
My use of that word is based on natural law, not (((statute))) law.

>>730434627
There are no glorious firefights. There is living and dying. I choose to give myself the best options I can to make my decisions for myself, and if it comes down to it I'd rather put my skill and equipment up against the criminals than die on my knees from a bullet to the back of the head. If you lose you lose, but it's better than not trying.

>>730434584
Not a damn thing, I went for a walk in a new area and out of the wood work they came.

>>730434627
>owning a weapon would make me more likely to get robbed
>precious little toy

Spoken like a true coward. Just because you're willing to rely on "staying out of trouble" doesn't make it a good idea or even a plan. It's just bullshit. If it makes you more comfortable, then fine. I'm going to do what I know is most likely to keep me alive and continue carrying. I don't plan on getting in a fight but goddamn it if someone is going to fight me I'm going to fucking win.

>>730434695
A law cannot remove constitutional protections and you are showing your blatant ignorance of how our system works quite painfully right now....

>>730434884
AK74 might be better for uneducated peasants who were drafted into the military and never clean their rifles, but we have better solutions.

I love the ratio of stories of people shooting themselves or a loved one to that of someone actually taking down a burglar or terrorist.

I have no problem with people owning guns. Just see preventable harm more often than anyone actually helped by their weapon.

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>>730435082
I'm an AR fag and even I like 5.45x39 better.

>>730434627
>Owning a weapon would just make me more likely to be robbed

When self delusion is used as a rationalization, a liberal is born.


BTW, that's a BS statistic/assertion.

>>730435028
>A law cannot remove constitutional protections and you are showing your blatant ignorance of how our system works quite painfully right now....

I'm just using what you said to create a hypothetical, which should have made you realize the own stupidity of your words, but I guess put you on the defensive and now you think I'm trying to take your guns.

>>730435125
The ratio is that way because you hear the stories you want to hear. Lots of people stay out of trouble without firing their guns,and a lot of the people you see as preventable harm are criminals shot by other criminals. There are very few gun accidents in the US when you consider the huge number of gun owners and funs.

>>730435125
That's because the statistics are blown completely out of proportion by misguided anti-fags.

You're more likely to have a child drown in a swimming pool than have them be shot accidentally, and way more people own guns than swimming pools.

The numbers don't even compare.

>>730434627
Actually if you take firearms seriously and continue to train it would make for a better outcome. I too live in the hood. The barrio, an I mean a cartel guys ex girlfriend was found decapitated in my complex barrio. I work in VIP protection so I can say with out a doubt proper training and learning situational awareness can save your ass. If u can identify a threat before its reached a certain point u can avoid it all to gather but through training if u are in a tight spot u can recognise when to attack and when not too add in speed and proficiency with your weapon if your in a gun fight u might walk away with your life.

>>730435155
I like my 6.8 better.

>>730435125
>I love the ratio of stories of people shooting themselves or a loved one to that of someone actually taking down a burglar or terrorist.
>the stories

That right there is the issue.

Man stops crime with a firearm. Local story.

Man has a ND where someone is injured. National headlines.

>>730435294
I didn't say anything. You said passing a law would remove constitutional protections on firearms, but that's simply not the case, just as a law banning free speech doesn't actually amend the constitution.

To remove constitutional protections or amend the constitution as you were implying is a completely different process than just "passing a law".

At best you ignorantly misused the wrong terminology, at worst you're completely clueless.

>>730435367
Exactly. Training helps with situational awareness and gives you confidence and a different look that the criminals can see. I've stayed out of two bad situations because of my training and nobody got shot or died.

Problem with the two main arguments I always hear.

Protection...where do you live that you need this kind of protection? I guarantee you are either full of shit and do not need a rifle, OR you live in an area where having a weapon just tends to exacerbate problems and make you more likely to get robbed, and regardless of whether you successfully defend yourself with said gun, you have still added to the local problems.

Government goes bad...this one is a real hoot. The government has satellites, missiles, soldiers, armored vehicles, planes, drones, and all kinds of other shit. They are also Americans. They live here too...you don't have home field advantage, Jim Bob, just because you have some good spots on your "home turf" for shooting deer. Of course, inevitably I hear "but the soldiers, they are our sons and daughters, they won't turn on us, at least a good portion would help us...your trust is admirable, but these "corrupt" politicians are sons and daughters of Americans too, and the military is designed and brainwashed to serve them.

So the problem is this...you need a gun to protect you from government tyranny...but you don't think the military would back them because all our soldiers bleed red white and blue and wouldn't stand for it...so what are you afraid of? The government would have no bite without the soldiers, and if they DID have the soldiers, YOU would be fucked. Steamrolled. Your little toys would not matter in the slightest to a regime like that. At best you'd all be driven into Texas and walled in like beasts.

>>730426826
Because I just don't want one.

>>730434948
That's what I'm talking about, you gun idiots ACTUALLY think that isn't how you'd die. Murder isn't some shit you can just predict, 9/10 times you'll be dead before you even know who's doing the killing, much less process enough info to reach for your gun. Your skill and equipment won't mean dick to a broke nigger with a 9mm walking behind you. Highest chances are, in the instance where a gun would help you the most...you won't even see it happening.

Because i live in a country that doesn't have a fucking retard running it.

>>730435312
Hey I could ask you or twenty other people to point me to a legit story of someone preventing a robbery or whatever else. They do happen. I have seen it. But for every one of those that cam be produced by our vast network of information, at least 5 more can be found of someone shooting themselves, their loved one, a neighbor, or the instructor at the range. The reason these stories are more prevalent is not because I seek them out over the other. It's because a trained gunman doesn't discharge his weapon until necessary. And would you not agree the necessity for firing a weapon with such lethality is rare? And when you fire your gun by accident, it could happen for any number of reasons. And the story about the guy who shoots targets and never misses isn't going to make it to the news.

What I want is for people to train themselves in proper firearm use. But that seems to be too much of a chore for a lot of people.

>>730435599
>So the problem is this...you need a gun to protect you from government tyranny...but you don't think the military would back them because all our soldiers bleed red white and blue and wouldn't stand for it...so what are you afraid of? The government would have no bite without the soldiers, and if they DID have the soldiers, YOU would be fucked. Steamrolled. Your little toys would not matter in the slightest to a regime like that. At best you'd all be driven into Texas and walled in like beasts.

A single gun would not protect you. A community or guns would.

A tyrannical government does not fear the armed individual. It fears the armed populace.

In 2016 alone, there were more firearms sold in PA, than the all of the combined armed forces of the US has.

Minimizing gun rights so a single individual right is minimizing it's importance or intent.

>>730429009
Why would you need BUIS when you have two other fucking rifles, faggot?

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>>730435599
You have no idea what you're talking about on the second one.

The first one is purely subjective opinion at best.

FWIW the government has already gone to shit, it's just not affecting you personally yet.

>>730435512
And you said since the law allowed you to carry that gun it was a constitutional right. Go back and read what you said, fool.

>>730435599
A pistol is for fighting your way to your rifle which you shouldn't have put down. I can use a rifle for hunting, plinking, and I grab a 12.5" AR if things go bump in the night. I'd rather have 25 rounds of rifle ammo and a mounted light.

Governments killed more people last century than all the murders combined. It's a real threat, and the left is ratcheting up the violence and calling everyone who disagrees with them fascist.

I have a gun because I like them. I have a gun because I have a Constitutionally protected (not granted) right to own one. I have one because it pisses the antis the hell off, and I have one because I can feed my family and protect them if necessary.

There is this little thing called asymmetric warfare. Ever hear of it? What are they going to do? Nuke every city?

>>730436099
Because you're not going to be carrying a second rifle when you're in an actual fight and your optics go down, faggot.

>>730436179
Wrong poster bud. I didn't say that at all. Someone else did, I was just pointing out your wrongness.

>>730435599
I disagree as I've been robbed living in the hood and after being told "no cops or u die" a gun would have been nice to have at that point in time.

Also steamrolled in what way, like the goat fuckers in the middle east we can't seem to obliterate ?

>>730435599
B-but my giant guns to compensate for my benis

>>730435028

see

>>730435951

>>730435236
Maybe across the whole of America, but I know how things wor in my area, and that shit has resale value, which means you become a target. Like it or not, believe it or not, I don't much care. It's common sense enough that a nigger can figure it out and rob you BECAUSE they figured it out, so that puts you pretty low even by subhuman standards.

>>730436299
>What are they going to do? Nuke every city?
No, but I have a list if they need suggestions.

Chicago
Detroit
Newark
Camden
St. Louis
Atlanta
Cincinnati

>>730436305
>I was just pointing out your wrongness.
You must not understand satire then, if you think I believe the hypothetical I was spelling out.

>>730435951
The broke criminal behind me is something you deal with using situational awareness. It doesn't always work, but it has always worked so far. And from my sample nobody I know has been murdered by a criminal, but several have shot criminals. I'll bet my money on my training and equipment over the guy who shoots with the gun sideways and punches with it when he pulls the trigger. I understand cover and have practiced drawing and firing many thousands of times.

For one I don't have money, two I can't buy one since parents and three I have little experience with guns.

>>730436514
>Maybe across the whole of America, but I know how things wor in my area, and that shit has resale value, which means you become a target. Like it or not, believe it or not, I don't much care. It's common sense enough that a nigger can figure it out and rob you BECAUSE they figured it out, so that puts you pretty low even by subhuman standards.


Liberal thinking is a mental illness, the post.

>>730436099

Because optics go down. I've had my optic die in a carbine class. Flip up the BUIS and you're back in business until you can fix the optic.

>>730436621
You used an incorrect term in an incorrect way and got called on it. Chill the fuck out.

>>730436514
Shit like a broke nigger behind you with a 9mm is exactly why you pay the fuck attention and know what the fuck you're doing.

Just because you can't be arsed to do any of that doesn't mean I'm equally incompetent.

>>730436702
>For one I don't have money, two I can't buy one since parents and three I have little experience with guns.

Money can be saved.
You will eventually be responsible for yourself.
Firearms training is available. At most local ranges, the guy in the next lane is usually more than happy to give advice (and let you try his weapon(s) if you aren't an asshat).

>>730435367
Sure you can. And to those that do that, cool. But your dime-a-dozen gun nut doesn't have that level of training...hate to break it to these types, but the ability to hit a target does not a trained marksman make. Those aren't my words, those are my dad's, and HE had the Marksman awards from his service days to back his words up.

I'm just saying, you work in VIP protection...somewhat of an different case than your average schmuck with an AR. I don't mind people in that line of work for the same reason I don't mind cops...it's literally their job, and part of the training, to be that good...joe schmoe, not so much, as much as most of them like to THINK they ARE that good.

>>730436872
I'm just pointing out how your reading comprehension needs work. Chill out dude.

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>>730426826
Any weapon I cannot conceal is useless to me.

>>730426826
>needing a rifle for close quarters combat
>aka what would be going on inside your house
Fucking kek
>inb4 liberal
Military weapons tech here.
Fuck rifles.
Give me a handgun any day

Easier to draw my 9mm in the dead of night when I'm jerked out of a light sleep by somebody rolling over in bed downstairs.

>>730435998
Some of us have training. The gun owners I know train regularly and take classes. I've got training on pistols, shotguns, rifles, and machineguns. I have also done a lot of training of other people. Most of the gun owners I know are better shots than the police. You know how we know that? We've watched them shoot at the range.

>>730437003
Something some people will never understand.

It's like bringing a hammer to pound in a screw.

>>730437163
And you've probably never had to or accidentally discharged into another human being, which is good.

>>730437186
If I don't have to conceal it rifle beats handgun any day. It's hard to argue with more muzzle energy, more accuracy, and more control over the gun.

>>730437003
your thoughts on SBRs?

>>730437163
>Most of the gun owners I know are better shots than the police. You know how we know that? We've watched them shoot at the range.

And MUCH better than niggers, for the same reason. Niggers at the range are always a hoot fest about how fast they can unload a clip, and how cool they look when shooting. Actually hitting paper is rarely a concern.

>>730431543
You don't have family other than your fake tittied mama.

>>730436009
Like sales are that great of an indicator. "Look I bought 50 rifles" cool, you have two arms, at best, you have 48 guns still sitting around.

And you want to try the numbers game? First off, they are trained for that. You aren't. They have all those high tech toys to deal with your "community". You, do not. The military is designed and equipped to fight the odds and come out on top with the fewest casualties possible, that's how a group like the Navy SEALS can take out fortified hideouts and shitstomp a raghead like Osama, they are trained to go against bigger numbers, with better positioning, in strange territory. You don't even have the advantage of the homefield, because they live here too. You and the community wouldn't last, no matter how much you want to pretend you would...that's all this is about, it's a comfort blanket, and a blanket full of logical holes at that.

>>730437163
How well you shoot at the range means nothing.

How well you shoot when being fired upon does.

>>730437313
Nope. Never by accident, and the times I could have legally shot someone I deescalated it without violence. You have far too low an opinion of gun owners. The people who carry them generally train on their own dime. The people who own them and don't carry them might not train, but they won't be using them either since they're typically buried in a closet or in a drawer without any ammo.

>>730427503

Any of the ones without niggers or spics.

>>730437338
how would a rifle in your bedroom beat a handgun? Would you need more muzzle velocity, accuracy, or control over the gun in a close situation? wouldn't the firearm be easier to be taken from you if it was in rifle form?

>>730437500
These two things tend to be at least a little correlated, my man.

I think anyone who states they train with MGs is probably going to be fine.

>>730437581
Rifles are significantly more likely to incapacitate in the first few hits. A rifle is not easier to take away. Gun disarms are mostly a huge fucking meme and actually easier with a pistol anyhow.

>>730437500
It means something. If you can't hit on the static range you're unlikely to hit when the targets are shooting back.

Which is why you move off of the static range and shoot things like IPSC, IDPA, and 3 gun. You learn to evaluate targets, move, draw, and shoot.

>>730434366
I know of it and how it ended...

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>>730437500
cheked

>>730437581
I like a short AR. I can move though a house as easily as a pistol, and if you grab it I'll shoot you. I don't believe in wrestling for a gun, but the rifle gives me more points of control over it and is much harder to take away.

>>730433333
>Quints going unchecked

Whats a good entry level one? Ruger Ar 556? Or just build a custom?

>>730437901
Try a sling shot or bb gun first

>>730437700
They held up the Nazis for quite a while with salvaged guns. Imagine what they could have done if they were in a bigger area and started with guns, training, and determination.

>>730437460
You really son't understand the Military at all.

These guys are our neighbors, and have a much better loyalty to the Constitution than the suits sitting in DC.

The US Military would never conduct an action against it's own people.

The common misconception is that Generals are in charge of boots on th ground, and that any order given is carried out without question.

The reality is that it's the Sergeants that run the Military.

>>730436965
I Definetly agree with you; I have had higher levels of training then the average gun guy. At the end of the day I'm still a civilian, and pretty average. I can't argue with the fact that most gun owners have not received proper training or even put much time in to do simple things like run dry fire drills at home. My argument is that if your average American wishes to own a firearm for protection they should do so. Its up to them if they chose to learn how to properly use that weapon. I can speak from experience when saying a good amount of training with your weapon of choice pays off as I've competed against guys that were active LEO's and ex military and have out preformed them in the pistol category.

>>730437460
>gun owners aren't trained
>the military is trained for that
>Navy SEALS meme
WEW LAD

I think it's time you took a break. You're in way over your head and have no idea what you're talking about at this point.

Just so we're clear, American gun owners out number actual armed insurgents in the middle east at over 100,000 to 1.

Now shut the fuck up.

>>730433333
>>730437852

recognized!

What is the best AR to buy ?

>>730438031
Fuck, I did math badly. it's actually about 390:1.

>>730437901
Start with a good one and figure out what you like. Then customize. There are great deals on Colts out there right now, and it's hard to go wrong w/ Colt.

>>730438198
>What is the best AR to buy ?
Whatever that is MILSPEC that you can afford.

The AR is a platform. You can always upgrade/change/customize. A plain Jane AR is far better than no AR at all.

>>730438406
>shilling rifles this hard

Where's some pimpmygun creations?

>>730436965
>joe schmoe
I think the reason you piss me off is because you have no idea how much some of us actually practice relative to how much the average soldier or police officer is actually required to or does

>>730438198
The one that does what you want reliably.
For me that means building it, but buying a well made one from a reputable company is also fine. Just look around, until you know what you're trying to do with it it's hard to give buying advice.

>>730438773
He doesn't realize that for most cops and most military the gun is a tool and they may only shoot once or twice a year. Us gun nuts have to pay for our own training, ammo, and weapons. We also generally don't have anyone we can call on the radio for cover fire if things go bad. We end up training more and harder than the so called pros. There are obvious exceptions with the guys who's real job is pulling a trigger, but for most of the police and military that isn't the case.

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Ah yes, I do own one. I have been woke since 2009 (when I learned my family was growing from 2 to 3 members). I am responsible for my own safety and the safety of my family. Owning an ar-15 (and practicing with, etc.) is but one way that I attempt to keep my family safe.

Whats a good basic Ar? Ruger 556? Or is it better to custom build?

>>730429472
While this is true in a purely tactical analysis, home defense is far different from the middle east. A well maintained AR 15 might jam, but it's incredibly unlikely, about as likely as a misfire or any other sort of complex machinery malfunction.

For the most part, any (reasonable) firearm is sufficient for the average home defense provided a cool head and practice.

Property defense, on the other hand, from a percieved government threat, is much better done with explosIves than firearms. And far better than that, actual real life involvement in politics difficult as that may sound.

>>730438198
Scroll u for another poster's pic on building yoru AR.

The AR lower is the only part that needs to be bought through an FFL. You can get a quality stripped (no trigger group or other parts installed int the basic machined part). Then add trigger, upper, stock, barrel, etc as you can afford, or to your own tastes. You can build a quality firearm in less than a year with simple budget cuts.

>>730438406
>>730438773

Basically I want to build a .300 Blackout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlzSke4dtaI

>>730439236
Get a Colt 6920 and figure out what you like from there.

>>730438773
Hey, everyone is a representative, are they not? Do we not judge the liberal or conservative based on what those crazy few do? Or Muslims, niggers and spics on what we read and see on the news and Internet?

This street goes both ways. It sucks to be reduced to a single negative trait, but we all do it because we're human. I've read a lot of posts in this thread, many bigoted and hateful, despite being based on the actions of the few. Some directed at gun owners, and others at blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, etc.

>>730439269

If you have to ask what to get, you probably shouldn't be building an AR for defensive purposes as your first one.

>>730439275
>Basically I want to build a .300 Blackout
Build a basic 223/556 AR first. Train with that.

You can always purchase a .300 upper later and just swap it out.

>>730439236
There are great entry level options right now for around $600. The S&W M&P-15 seems like a fine basic rifle to me.

You're better off not sinking too much into parts at first. Buy a simple, standard AR-15 from a reputable manufacturer and try it out. Spend the money you saved on actual important things like ammo, mags, and a safe to store it when you're not home.

Later on you can add cool things to it, upgrade certain parts, or even build a new rifle from the receiver on up.

>>730439333
Any reason why? Just good overall?

>>730439141
>woke
What do you even mean in this context

>>730439442
ALright

>>730438031
Any actual argument other than "hurrdurr we gotz teh numberz"? Cool, you'll get bombed, and the rest of us will laugh at you. Shoot down that MOAB with your AR, why don't you, show me how I'm wrong when it happens, sweetie.

>>730437990
See that's the thing...IF they would get trained, and IF there were limits, I'd give less of a shit...but the combination of lack of actual training and the conspiracy mentality is way too volatile. What happens when psychos who believe some oddball BS start stockpiling guns? You get stuff like Branch Davidians.

>>730437968
You poor fool. Lotta murderers were "neighbors" too, didn't really mean shit now did it...just because you think you know what they would do, doesn't mean a damned thing. And like I said, if they turned on you, you would be done for...if they won't turn, you have nothing to fear int he first place...either way, you don't need an armory.

>>730436872
I do pay attention. I don't own a gun, at most I carry a knife on me...I've never had need of it, nor have I ever felt like I needed a gun...part of it is knowing the streets, part of it is knowing the people. You aren't making a gun sound any more necessary, you just make yourself sound like a child afraid to be in the dark without his blankie.

>>730436742
Lack of any actual argument and misdirecting along partisan lines like that adds to your "logic" in any way...conservative thinking, the post.

>>730436658
"I understand cover"...holy shit you have the same basic survival instincts as most human beings, you must be the Punisher incarnate.

>>730439275
Do you have a can to go with it, or are you just building a rifle? If you don't have a suppressor to go with it then it's not going to be very useful to you in any meaningful way over a 5.56 rifle.

And a 5.56 rifle still has advantages over a .300BLK in most cases.

5.56 ammo is cheaper and more available, and can still be suppressed.

Of course, .300BLK has better SBR performance and can run quieter, but the ammo is again more expensive and less effective at long range.

>>730439428
>If you have to ask what to get, you probably shouldn't be building an AR for defensive purposes as your first one.

Everyone needs a starting point. Socialize at the local range, and get some knowlege there.

Ideally everyone should have some kind of first gun. A .22 is more than enough to get you started. A good quality used .22 can be had for less than 100 bucks, and the ammo is cheap.

>>730439576
Because Colt has been the Tier 1 gold standard for a long time, and there are some great deals on them. If you have to ask you don't know enough to bargain shop and Colts are pretty much a sure thing made with known quality parts. There are a lot of cheap Chinese unknown spec parts out there.

>>730439643
>you don't need an armory.

Define "armory". Be specific.

>>730438773
Key word, first of all, is "some". "Some of us"...it isn't even most of you, and that's the problem...if you have good training, then obviously that wasn't aimed at you now was it, you easily offended princess.

>>730439497
Okay. I've looked into stuff a bit, will the bolt and all the internals last for a long time?

>>730439620
Hah, good question. You'd have to know me personally. Even though I grew up in a conservative family, my mother was 100% anti-gun and wouldn't even let me point a squirt gun at her. My dad had no interest in guns, and my mom made my grandfather get rid of all his once she had her children.

So I had no positive experience with guns at all until a college friend took me to a gun show and I fondled a nice Beretta. I purchased my first guns for the purely practical reason that if someone broke in I wanted a better plan than "stab them repeatedly before they stab me repeatedly."

Over time I discovered that I really like guns and that they should be respected but not feared. I hope to pass this love on to my children one day (they're not old enough yet).

>>730439643
>bombing 1/3rd of Americans that are evenly dispersed into civilian populations around the country

You are hopeless. I'm honestly not sure why I tried to engage with you, because you obviously have no interest in attempting to understand what is being discussed here.

You just want to meme and have a hugbox, but you're wrong and that's not going to happen. Sorry, "sweetie".

>>730439643

There is a difference between wanting cover, and knowing a curb is good cover if you can lie down in the street. There is a difference between hiding in a bush (concealment) and hiding behind a 4' oak tree. You train to shoot from cover with minimum exposure and look for things that will stop bullets instead of just block line of sight.

>>730439841
I'm talking about the pictures you see of some dude with a wife and two kids, with a basement full of gun safes, rifles all over the walls, etc. Way more than they would ever logically be expected to make use of, even when the zombies come.

>>730439900
>Okay. I've looked into stuff a bit, will the bolt and all the internals last for a long time?

A properly maintained weapon will last long enough to hand down to your grand kids.

I lent mine to my friend Colleen

>>730439947
Your post reminded me of "a Christmas Story". Because it of red rider bb guns. Good movie.

Good movie.

>>730440058
>I'm talking about the pictures you see of some dude with a wife and two kids, with a basement full of gun safes, rifles all over the walls, etc. Way more than they would ever logically be expected to make use of, even when the zombies come.

Oh, so your entire life experience and knowledge of firearms is based on pictures.

Thank You, that explains things better than any of the actual arguments you made.

>>730439879
You're implying it's all of us. Even the average gun owner who practices once a month is on par with the qualifications required of the average beat cop. If you don't understand that then what I was pointing out isn't incorrect.

>>730440058
So what? I know a guy who has over 200 Enfield rifles. He collects every variant known to man. That guy has spiral notebook and he looks up which case his pistols are in to find them. There's nothing wrong with collecting guns.

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Home offense

>I'm not a pussy
>I don't live in a war zone
>I don't need it

You dumb fucks. I hope your path in life never crosses that of some crazy fuck, because no matter what liberal utopia you live in, there are a large number of crazy fucks in your town that would not think twice about killing you for your pocket change. And if your path ever crosses theirs, you'll wish you had a gun, because the "Obama '08" sticker on your prius and explaining that your "on their side" isn't going to save you.

>>730439900
Great thing about the AR is that even if they don't parts are available almost everywhere. Many people will tell you it is wise, once you have everything squared away, to go ahead and buy common wear items (such as having a whole extra bolt carrier group) so that you've got back-ups in case something breaks unexpectedly.

There are probably a dozen ar-15 rifles in the $600-$900 price range that are "good enough." It's a fantastic time to buy and I doubt prices will ever be lower. Even if the internals do fail (not common) a youtube video is often all it takes to replace a part. That's how I've had to learn EVERYTHING about my guns.

>>730440064
Except things like bolts are wear parts. 5000 - 10000 rounds in a lot of cases. Some people won't go through that in a lifetime. Others will go through that in a week.

>>730439764
Thanks for the info anon. I do know the process to get a suppressor is timely.

>>730439991
"Evenly dispersed" Yeah because once a war is on, we would ALL stay around you insane hicks with the bombs on the way. That's exactly what we would do. And like most of you would stay put either, you'd go join up with your kind, and they'd bomb you there. Also, pay attention to world events a bit more...military hasn't bothered THAT much with civvy casualties for a while, and besides even that, what civilians? Y'alls families? Pretty sure they'd just chalk that up them aiding your "insurgency" and blow them up anyways.

>>730440238
Do you understand what a stereotype is? Or what prejudice is? And why it sticks when you're the subject of it?

>>730440272
Center rifle. What compensator is that?

>>730440190
Hah thanks. The funny thing is, my grandfather bought me a Daisy BB gun when I turned 12. We kept that thing a secret from my mom until I turned 21 and had graduated from college! I shot it in his basement and all over his yard. Never put an eye out with that thing!

>>730440373
Most of the military would be on our side. Then it would go from your fantasy of killing rednecks to Civil War 2.

>>730440272
At least you tell the truth.

>>730440001
See, thing is, I know this shit, and I have little training, and I don't even own a gun. That's what I meant, basic instincts most people have...the ones that don't, well...Darwin had some good points, let's say that.

>>730440337
A suppressor is a $200 stamp and about a 12 month wait last I checked, but that should go down as we get past July.

>>730440373
Bahahahaha you fool. What percentage of the military would you imagine is made up of conservative minded folks? Because any number under 50% and we all know you're just trolling.

Here's a hint: the bombs won't be on the way directed at the service members' own families and friends! But I bet a few might find their way into "the big city" on accident. I personally don't know 1 single military man or woman that isn't politically conservative but I'm sure there are some. They will be vastly outnumbered.

>>730440548
Now do it under pressure. I've seen plenty of people freeze under the pressure of a timer. Big difference between intellectual knowledge and muscle memory.

>>730440373
>insane hicks
your stereotypes are showing.
Gun owners still exist in urban areas. There is no national registry of gun owners. Police and military would have to go door to door to find and confiscate guns, or go to individual brick and mortar stores to acquire paper records.

Are you suggesting that you have a plan for packing up, moving entirely out of your area to a place with NO gun owners, NONE, stay there for the duration of a civil war, unarmed, and you don't own a gun? And you're suggesting that gun owners are stupid or paranoid?

What you're suggesting the military should do is a textbook description of "let's commit war crimes!". It's also terrible counter insurgency strategy, and let's be honest, if the government started shelling your neighborhood, and you bent over and presented your ass to them, you're the idiot, not me. Gun owners are not homogenous nor are they all living in little enclaves in the woods, retard.

>>730440429
Of course I understand what a stereotype is, but that doesn't make your stereotype correct.

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>>730440442
"KAK flash can" steel with removable baffle

>>730440373
I like how it's "you hicks." I'll put the average intelligence of the gun owning population against the antis any day. You're making a huge mistake underestimating the so called rednecks and hicks.

>>730440614
What is so special about July ?

>>730440238
Implying is just another word for you assuming. I've even straight up stated at least twice in this thread I have no issues with people who take the proper training.

>>730440198
Nice assumption...wrong of course, but nice one. "This guy has seen pictures at some point in his life, clearly he has never had any other learning experience, ever" You are a special kind of dense, sir.

>>730440289
See? This is the conspiracy shit I'm talking about. "Oh god, they are around every tree, you better wake up (i.e. drink the koolaid) like me, and get a gun before a pack of wild niggers rapes your wife for the pennies in her purse".

Alex Jones is making a case based on the fact he was playing a part and making all his shit up, you know that right? You can stop spewing drivel now.

>>730440493
If you knew how to read, you'd know I already discussed this.

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>>730434681
They don't teach children to read cursive anymore. It seems to be done for very deliberate reasons.

>>730433333
What makes it invalid as a weapon for self defense?

>>730440672
Taking out highways, distribution centers, populace hubs, all that shit.

If they're smart, they will take out our means for sustaining any kind of resistance. That would mean destroying food stores and our ability to mobilize.

I don't even know what you guys are talking about. But I thought you might want my thoughts on the subject.

>>730426826
because you won't stay in /k/ and literally no other reason

>>730440870
>"KAK flash can" steel with removable baffle

Not Jersey legal. Would be considered a "flash suppressor", and not a compensator.

>>730440955
They changed the rules for Trusts w/ NFA stuff last summer. It caused a huge bottleneck and and times should go down after we pass that date.

>>730440672

It has nothing to do with conservative or liberal. If the orders came down to bomb your own city, neighbors, countrymen, most would refuse. The vast majority of the military would defect, because what kind of government is going to give an order like that anyway, and for what reason? A civil war in this day and age would be a weak government vs. most of the military and an armed populace. The government would control the cities. The "rebels" would control everything else, including most of the military bases. But more importantly, they'd control the resource producing regions. The government areas would be starved out quickly. And not to mention that outside players would have a hand. Russia would come in on the side of the "rebels". Europe would likely side with the government.... all hoping to influence an outcome where the US is weak and they are the new superpower.

I don't understand the argument of "why u need guns redneck... u gonna fight back against tanks and drones? Like it would ever get to that point. Like the government is going to one day out of the blue pass a law banning guns, then step 2 is to immediately send in predator drones. Get the fuck out of the thread idiot.

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>>730440870
Simple rifle. Just works. I like your style anon.

>>730441034
Problem is you do that and you kill the cities. Guess who you hurt the most? Not the hicks or rednecks.

>>730440960
>See? This is the conspiracy shit I'm talking about. "Oh god, they are around every tree, you better wake up (i.e. drink the koolaid) like me, and get a gun before a pack of wild niggers rapes your wife for the pennies in her purse".

lol, what liberal fantasy land do you live in where the existence of criminals is now a conspiracy?

>>730426826

because I own an AK for self-defense, and to protect my family, home, and country.

>>730441069
What is the best suppressor to buy in your opinion ?

>>730440295
Thats what I've been thinking, that price range is within reach and Ive seen those guns to be good

>>730440985
>They don't teach children to read cursive anymore. It seems to be done for very deliberate reasons.

Because minorities have a hard time with "cracker runes", and that's just racist.

>>730441304
Problem with that is you buy one AR, then you put it in the safe. Then you find some $40 lowers and put them in the safe. At this point you've started the cycle where they reproduce in the darkness and consume your available resources.

>>730427164
/thread

>>730441304
Yeah I've got a few friends with ar-15s as well and they both bought in that price range. I've never found 1 thing wrong with ANY ar at ANY price point. I get that my sample size is pretty small but they just seem to work.

poor

I own a couple. Has nothing to do with being a pussy or because I'm terrified of being robbed. I just like going to the range and shooting them. It's a fun hobby. Don't like it? Suck my fucking dick.

>>730441302
It really depends on caliber and how you're going to shoot. Price, weight, materials, and mounting method are all personal decisions. You're going to wait 6 months or a year on the stamp. Do some research before you get one and find out what you want for your budget and needs.

>>730440803
>Of course I understand what a stereotype is, but that doesn't make your stereotype correct
You may not fit the stereotype, but it's a stereotype for a reason.

Being labeled like that hurts on some level, doesn't it? Because it makes you wonder if other people think this about you simply because you do or believe something they don't understand. I don't know if you are prejudiced, but that's another stereotype of the pro-gun crowd.

>>730441177
Thanks anon.

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>>730441606

lel this. These things are fucking addictive.

>>730441593
The stereotype of hicks and rednecks don't hurt us because it doesn't apply to most of us. I laugh when someone uses those terms for gun owners because I know they're uneducated on the subject and making generalizations that are not true. Their opinion is worth nothing.

>>730440672
So if you don't have to worry about them turning, as I'm saying for the third or fourth time, you don't need to be so worried then. Pull Hannity, Limbaugh, Jones, and all those others guys' cocks out of your orifices and try to think.

>>730440698
I've had to deal with pressure situations before, and I've done pretty well...I mean, part of it is because certain bits of my mind don't function properly so I don't have the same scare reactions as some, but still. Even with muscle memory, you've still gotta send a mental command, though, and your mind is where the freeze occurs...practice it all you want, still doesn't mean you'd do better than me come gameday, so to say.

>>730440803
You wanna know why guns are an argument at all? Because, believe it or not, we know this. It'd be hell trying to ACTUALLY take them. So we debate, because that's what you do in a society where you try to make things certain ways, and it would really be tough to force it...you debate people over to your side...I've seen people flip both ways, and that's the whole point.

As for war crimes, yeah, that's stopped SO many people in history, particularly tyrants...oh wait, no, it didn't. And again, you guys assume I'd be dumb enough to stay in an area that would be likely to get bombed. You also assume I'd have a problem with them using force to wipe out certain types of people in the first place.

>>730440919
Sure thing Jim Bob...considering the conspiracy-based fear mongering going on in these gun wank threads, I think I'm not too far off the mark "underestimating " the so-called "intelligence" of the gun-owning populace.

>>730426826

Because I don't need a faggot rifle to defend myself and my home. You'd shit yourself the moment someone pulled a knife on you, dickless. Go back to your /k/ circle jerk.

>>730441606
BTDT. I've got 3 stripped lowers in the safe calling my name.

Because i have a shotgun

AR15 for home defense?

U R FAG

>>730441803
>BTDT. I've got 3 stripped lowers in the safe calling my name.

Just one here. Completely built waiting for the right upper to come along.

>>730441746
You don't know muscle memory then. You don't have to send the mental command because it's a trained action. Watch someone who shoots regularly when they line up the sights and acquire a target. Watch someone reload who has practiced it. It takes thousands of repetitions to train that but they WILL be better than you if you haven't done the same.

>>730441202
You know you're not an island, right? Once you have to self sustain long term, the fact there is no local trade will become a big issue for conservative and liberal alike.

You know those are your countrymen, right? Or it doesn't matter because they're blue and you're red?

>>730441232
Criminals exist, yes...but not in the droves you nuts seem to think. You must have missed the majority of the thread where we discussed these types of neighborhoods and things. At least, I'll assume that and give you the benefit of the doubt...otherwise I'd have to assume you simply COULDN'T read it.

OK, fuck this shit. It's time for some of you niggers to read a book.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_site#Specific_facts_surrounding_sites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Pit
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/02/politics/bulk-data-collection-coming-back-usa-freedom-act/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb#Death

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number_plate_recognition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingray_phone_tracker

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/timeline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

If you can read through all of this shit end to end and tell me you still actually trust your government at the end then I will eat my own fucking dick.

This shit just scratches the surface. I am 110% fucking done with people pretending the government is some sort of collection of saints doing saintly things and expecting us to blindly trust a system so far beyond any sort of accountability.

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>>730427272
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of your monthly school shooting lol

>>730441982
>Criminals exist, yes...but not in the droves you nuts seem to think.
>but not in the droves you seem to think.


BECAUSE of an armed citizenry.

>>730440289
I'm a broke college student living in a really safe neighborhood. Odds are I don't need it. Also I can't afford one. And once I graduate and find a job I probably won't need one still. The odds of me getting attacked are hilariously low. If I were living somewhere else that'd be another thing. However I wouldn't mind getting one but I honestly don't understand why one needs to stockpile weapons for "security". For recreational purposes and what not I completely understand. Guns are cool, its a cool hobby. If you were really concerned for your life you wouldn't need anything more than a pistol and a shotgun. Not everyone needs them, a lot of you are paranoid, its mostly a cool hobby in my eyes.

>>730442136
It's the jews fault for not letting our kids carry on campus.

>>730441976
You don't really get how the nervous system works then. You freeze or you don't. My dad is getting near 60 now, he's been driving for a while, that's a lot of muscle memory build-up, and I've still seen the guy freeze in pretty common driving circumstances. Same basic idea applies pretty well across the board.

Muscle memory is just a term, your brain still has to send a signal. Just because you've cut back on the processing power needed doesn't mean it isn't still happening up there.

>>730441985

Because a bunch of dicknoses like you are going to save the world with your shinies. If the US military truly were utilized to pacify a civilian populace, all the automatic weapons in the world wouldn't save you.

Wake up. You've got a fetish for guns, and you justify your hobby on the pretense of a hero complex. Just be honest with yourself and others and admit you think weapons are cool and you enjoy collecting and firing them. You're not going to stage a glorious defense of the homeland, you'd just get yourself and everyone around you killed.

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>>730429009
>There's no correlation between overall violence in a country and legal gun ownership.

>>730442182
Iibcuck just leave

>>730441980
They're my countrymen until they attack me. Then they're tangos. I see the dehumanization (fascist literally Hitler) being done by the left, and the attacks coming from the left. We're not going to start it, but if the other side kicks it off we're damn well going to finish it. Hell. You're doing the same game calling us stupid hicks and rednecks. Keep thinking you're right. We couldn't possibly be Mensa members.

>>730442173
No. Not at all really. It's simply because the US is a first world country. I'm only gonna mug someone if I'm stupid and too poor for it to matter. Luckily being a rich country comes with less poor and stupid.

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>Not being American

top kek

>>730442377
>No. Not at all really. It's simply because the US is a first world country. I'm only gonna mug someone if I'm stupid and too poor for it to matter. Luckily being a rich country comes with less poor and stupid.

Oh? Compare Chicago with any city in Texas.

>>730442283
I know how the nervous system works. They have colleges here in the sticks too, and while there is a command sent you don't have to think about it. You just do it.

>>730442173
You highly overestimate your impact. You think Tyrone with his gun gives much of a shit about your gun? At that point, as, AGAIN, has ALREADY been gone over in this thread, it's a matter of timing...and like most murders...you are NOT going to see it coming.

>>730442332
>>730442332
Having a rational thought means I'm a liberal. Kay then.

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>>730442320
You didn't read it, so no prize for you. If you don't understand what's happening that's understandable for ignorance. When you refuse to try when it's handed to you on a silver fucking platter then you are worth less to me than a moldy sock.

>>730442327
See attached.

>>730441985
You think people haven't always known the government is up to some shady shit? We put them there to ensure we stay on the map, and they do that, by whatever means they can, sometimes through really dark fucking means, but they ARE doing their job at the end of the day. The only reason anyone acts shocked is because we find out the details to what we already knew had to be going on. Now beat it with your conspiracy shit, you are behind the times.

>>730426826
Because i own a g36e hk masterrace

>>730442465
>You think Tyrone with his gun gives much of a shit about your gun?

So not having a gun is going to make Tyrone sudden'y a good citizen and not rob me or rape my wife?

>>730440272
>this anon has THREE guns and I don't even have one

>>730442356

You're baking up defenses because they appeal to your worldview, and you're in love with the left.

You NEED them to be so pernicious and powerful to make you righteous and potent. If they weren't, your self-righteousness and your defiance would mean nothing, so you make them out to be an existential threat.

You're vindicated by your belief that a sinister, omnipresent, and nigh-omnipotent political slant is on the verge of taking away all you hold dear, and that they could plausibly do this in the near future.

Of course, if they're not this cabal of supervillains coming to enslave you, but just a group of people who press their political agenda in a manner that alternates with others who do the same without much effect, your glorious capacity doesn't mean much, does it?

>>730442465
Did you ever look at what happened when Florida got concealed carry? Criminals were commuting to the neighboring states to do their crimes. They're afraid of citizens w/ guns. We'll shoot them, and a lot of us are good at figuring out who the bad guys are. They're less likely to go after us because we send the same predator signs that a cop does, and that leaves people like you who are helpless prey. Good luck.

Because they're illegal in my country.

I feel like I've stumbled into a small penis club.

Good luck with that guys.

>>730442243
Sure, in the next party, when someone gets drunk and act stupid we will all pull out and it will be super fucking funny!

Fucking yanks think with their butts

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>>730442694
>armchair psychology bullshit.

>>730442765
>Fucking yanks think with their butts

No, the barrel end is where all the important stuff happens.

>>730442694
I don't give a fuck about that left. I live my life and take the precautions I can. I'm ready but I'm not sitting here worrying about it. I'm laughing at the person who has no understanding of why people own guns or the training we pay for on our own.

>>730442461
And as I said, I know that's how it works. But you can still freeze, as I used an example for. And that dad I've mentioned twice now had military training, honors and shit...despite reflexes, muscle memory, he still has that fateful moment that could get him killed if a car pulls out ahead of him at the wrong moment, because despite around 40 years of experience driving and building muscle memory...he still freezes.

>>730442838

>one line, snarky non-response from an idiot /b/ fuck

Works both ways, fuckface.

>>730442765
None of the people I hang around with drink and carry, and since we almost always carry we don't get drunk. Problem solved.

>>730442356
>Hell. You're doing the same game calling us stupid hicks and rednecks.

Lol left and right, at each others throats, can't tell they're the person. Both sides demonize the other. Both sides equally shit because they've been corrupted by greed and an easy lifestyle. You should talk to your neighbors, especially the liberal ones, so you can get to understand their point of view and help them understand yours. There's this vicious cycle created by the media showing you the worst of people, when most are nothing like this.

>>730443053
The same person**

>>730442967
>Not getting booze because muh gun

what a miserable life.

>>730442939
There are no guarantees. You train and get better equipment to give yourself the edge.

>>730442465

>You think Tyrone with his gun gives much of a shit about your gun?
Yeah, I do. Because Tyrone wants $15 to put towards his Hennessy fund, not to die. If we replace Tyrone with Evan the tweaker, he doesn't give a shit about my gun. Luckily for me Evan the tweaker doesn't need to give a shit about my gun, because bullets don't particularly care if you're afraid or not.

>>730443167

>not being an alcoholic
>miserable life
pretty much works the opposite way there

>>730442457
Having less poor and stupid doesn't mean we don't have poor and stupid. You have to factor in Chicago has high poverty rates. It's one of the biggest ghettos in the US you can't compare it to texas. The second amendment must not be violated I understand, but we can't attribute crime rates to gun ownership. That's not how it works.

>>730443032
Doesn't really matter tbh, and even if it did then it's an issue of cops or population density, not guns.

>>730443167
>needing booze to have fun

I should say the same.

>>730442624
No cookie, didn't read through.

>>730426826
>Why don't you own an AR-15 for self-defense, and to protect your family, home and country?
Because I carry a 357 mag for self defense
A 44 mag to protect my family
A 12 ga shotgun to protect my home
And I never needed to protect my country.

I do have 8 AR-15 hunting rifles in various configurations though.

>>730442637
Nope...but having one isn't all THAT likely to save you...call it hedging your bets, call it "highest possible chance", you are still most likely fucked in most cases.

>>730442704
Yeah and they aren't going to disappear jsut because we ALL have guns...they'll just get braver...that's how arms races work...it boggles my mind how many motherfuckers lived through the Cold War. but still think that the same logic will work against the criminal underworld and black market. Laughable, even.

>>730442694
Exactly...it's fear-mongering at it's best, or worst I guess...a made up threat to explain a made-up "necessity". What, you are so scared of fatass tumblrites you think you need guns? You don't need bullets for this "radical left" that these nuts seem worried about, you just need the actual wage statistics for females in this country, and they'll all run home crying. Just because you can cry about left wing psychos doesn't make you NOT a rightwing psycho.

>>730443053
I understand the left. I am a libertarian and have some family members who are way left progressive liberals and dated a girl who was equally far left for years. I can deal with the people on the right even though I disagree with them on half of almost everything. The left calls me racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobe, and I'm a literally Hitler fascist according to them. Hmmm. Let me think about which side I can deal with.

>>730443366
>not duct taping them together, hooking them up to an arduino and opencv to automatically shoot intruders

wtf

>>730443167
I don't need booze. I don't need drugs. It would suck to need booze.

>>730443272
>Having less poor and stupid doesn't mean we don't have poor and stupid. You have to factor in Chicago has high poverty rates. It's one of the biggest ghettos in the US you can't compare it to texas. The second amendment must not be violated I understand, but we can't attribute crime rates to gun ownership. That's not how it works.

There are places just as poor as Chicago in Texas without the nightly gun violence.

The difference is the gun laws.

>>730443525
I need drugs. But yeah it would suck to need booze

>>730443407
are you fucking retarded? MAD is what kept the cold war from going hot, it worked exactly as is being suggested in this thread.

Criminals tend to do crimes because they're fucking poor. They can't magically get bigger and better guns with the money they're trying to steal from you but have not yet stolen.

>>730443407
We're never going to get 100% of people to have guns. I have no desire to force people to own them, and I will not accept someone trying to keep them from me. I'm safer with my gun and training. You go do whatever you want.

Get your last minute arguments in guys. Thread's about to die.

>>730443436
Go with whatever side make the most sense to you. Who gives a fuck who calls you a racist. I'm not moving left or right. I'm staying right the fuck where I am. And no SJW should sway your beliefs one way or another. There is no red or blue and I'm not picking sides.

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