I don't understand why you hate him. He's only doing

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>>730388916
he isn't doing shit, except play golf and tweet

>>730388916
We love him, in fact.

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>>730388916
Good goy

If you looked at why he golfs all the time is because he talks to administrators and politicians. He believes being outside in a fun environment is more inviting than inside an office.

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>>730389964

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But this though?

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>>730390937
Reagan tripled the national debt when he was in office. what's your point?

>>730390937

Wait but it went down alot during his reelection.

It was bad after the resession but he dropped it by 2/3rd before the end of this second term.

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>>730389211
>he isn't doing shit, except play golf and tweet

>>730388916
Only retarded cucks hate him

>>730388916
You'll figure it out when you reach puberty and your brain begins to develop.

>>730391849

But all of those were turned down. Nearly every executive order he's signed has been overturned.

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>>730391849

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>>730389260
>trump is literally hitler!
>trump loves jews!
>trump is a russian agent!
>trump is trying to start a war with russia!

you faggot shareblue shills look like goddamn fools, do know understand that?

Wasn't Obama the one that pulled out too quick in the Middle East which gave rise to radicals taking over the countries? Or the 221 million dollars to Palestine Authority. Or the 116 metric tons of uranium to the state sponsored terrorist country of Iran?

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>>730391996
>>730392132
Keep on with the lies shariablue, it's worked out so great for you and the MSM so far :)

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>>730392168
sure kid

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>>730392393
>derp

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>>730392464

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>>730392421
>hey fellow white guyz... come join the intelligent side! don't you want to feel smart and stuffz?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wllc5gSc-N8

>>730388916

Why do you think so many scientists were compelled to march against him?

I find it frightening that scientists, who try to be a-political when in public, were compelled to organize such a huge event as the science march.

Get real, if you support Trump you are either pretty fucking stupid or a shill.

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>>730392601
LOL that was fucking awesome

All subversive commies should die

>>730393040

Trumpets think being a Communist is worse than being a white nationalist or a Nazi. This is why the world hates you and Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.

>>730393019
>(((scientists)))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wllc5gSc-N8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2exu65Jekc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46h-LfNWPn8

you leftist fuckers are a legit cult

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>>730393040
takes a brave man to punch a girl. He got an "other than honorable" discharge from the Marines. Sounds like a real tough guy.

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>>730393458
>being a Communist is worse than being a white nationalist or a Nazi
110% correct.

The truth about immigration, by the numbers:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI

Cultural Marxism in action… Political Correctness, the tip of the blade:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice Explained:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Why are we in Decline - Cultural Marxism:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg

Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Ojbi6lXQI

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)

>https://youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412

The Holocaust:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPc899uUb-A

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxpIsep4160

Why has Trump's presidency been such a failure?

>>730393529

You really can't deny that. But you'll find some bs rational to dismiss it. Whatever...

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>>730393854
because republicanpoliticians are failures who only care about making themselves richer and fuck everyone else

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>>730393724
yeah, it was pretty fucking sweet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03bHf6j1T5o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDC6NtGEXTM

what a d dirty disgusting commie twat

>>730393529
>a legit cult
No, we're just not scientifically illiterate. Having a president to literally bows to every wim of his retarded cohorts will not end well for anyone.

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>>730394127
>failures

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>>730394130
at least antifa suckerpunch guys....guys bigger than themselves. I do admit I enjoyed watching Richard Spencer cry like a little girl

>>730393727

How old are you?

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>>730394408
>failures

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>>730394502
>failures
It's going to be a long 8 years for you, degenerate trash :)

Hey leftist's. you lost. There is a flash for you.
The whole world understands, when the left loses, the winner is illegitimate. We all remember Bush the Lesser. Illegitimate, right?
Reagan was a piece of crap, right? You zero's couldn't call him illegitimate, he won 49 states. Even if you can count 57 states, 49= parting the Red Sea.
The left puppet masters will keep on with this propaganda. Their target audience isn't um--complex.

You should get more hateful. More shrill. Much more name calling, etc.

Nearly the whole world understands.

Try not to think of '018. At least don't hurt yourself over it.

>>730389211
Why do rich old men like golf so much?

what the fuck is the appeal?

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They still don't understand...

>>730395274
>implying Trump will serve for 8 years
>implying letting a person like Trump be president isn't degenerate

>>730388916

He needs to fuck everything up he tries?

>>730390937
It's a curve. look at it. It had so much momentum, but Obama started turning it the other way, now with Trump in office, he'll curve it back UP.

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>>730395274
lol trump's got 8 months at best. Of course we'll then be stuck with gay boi pence for 3 years...

>>730395594
I have no idea. I guess it's relaxing in a way.

>>730395699
>he fucks everything up
>democrats try their hardest to make him fail
Choose one faggot

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>>730392270
Agreement to pull out of Middle East was not made by OBama. Iraqi government and Bush administration agreed for US troops to leave. Ourmama just fulfilled the agreement to leave. Troops would have stayed under Bush (and Obama) if Status of Forces Agreement would have given jurisdiction over the fate of US troops that violated Iraqi laws (like murder and rape). Bush administration would not allow Iraqi government to have this power. So, we got Isis and civil with in Syria.

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>>730395910
>Choose one faggot

>trump is literally hitler!
>trump loves jews!
>trump is a russian agent!
>trump is trying to start a war with russia!

the left is in their death throes... they don't know what the fuck to do and it's glorious :)

>>730393458
>the popular vote
almost as much of a meme as:
>the current year

>>730394302
>No, we're just not scientifically illiterate.
ok then anon.
Tell me what quantum entaglement is (without consulting google)

>>730396339
Sure I know what to do. I'm going to sit this one out. Not be retarded about it.

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Thank god for this crazy son of a bitch.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKGjczYz1bg

>>730396476
Unrelated. If you can't hold a topic throughout a conversation, please sit at the kiddie table while the adults talk.

>>730396476
>believes the earth is 6000 years old
>believes climate change is a hoax
>denies evolution in the face of hard evidence
>WHATS QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT HURR DURR

>>730388916
whether or not he makes the right decisions he's still an asshole.

plus, like, it's questionable if he'll make the right decisions as well, dude is old as fuck and has been surrounded by "yes men" all his life

>>730391849
>Posts nothing but Executive Orders as solutions.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You wouldn't be doing this shit if it were Obama doing the exact same thing and accomplishing nothing.

He is a great guy. He doesn't like criticism from the media because they don't understand him. He want the best for his country, limit damages of the Obamacare, reopen coal mines, restart research for new petrol sources in artic ocean, ban all muslim foreigners from entry and limit taxes to rich people. MAGA.

>>730393529
>mfw retards still think bill nye is a legit scientist
He is a physicist, the fact he is attempting to be a scientist in fields he is not a part of shows just how much of a shill he has become.

>>730391415
>comparing during depression stats to non depression stats
>muh Obama

you cant be this retarded, those stats are natural after a great depression, and are similar in almost every developed country

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>>730391849
I feel like I got Cancer just by reading this cancer infested aids paper.

He's done the shittiest job on pretty much everything.

Executive Orders mean absolutely nothing if they are overturned or can't be enforced.

Trump somehow thinks we're a dictatorship and we all need to do what he says.

Go on, Trump. Hold up more executive orders to the camera and tell us what a good job you're doing; you god damn baby.

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If I were leftist scum I'd be nervous too...

>>730396853
Nice Ad hominem you piece of shit.
I believe none of those things, i'm just testing your supposed claim for scientific literacy.

Now answer the question and show me how scientifically literate you are.

>>730396797
same for you shill.

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>>730397012
>He is a physicist, the fact he is attempting to be a scientist
he's not a physicist, you retarded mongoloid, he's a MECHANICAL ENGINEER. Engineers bring a different skillset to the game than physicists or other scientists.
If--according to your argument--he's "TRYING" to be a scientist, that's a good thing. Students in college studying physics, chemistry, and biology are all TRYING to be scientists... and they try by relying on the principle of METHODOLOGICAL NATURALISM... in other words, they employ the scientific method to learn shit. More than that, they employ FALSIFICATION to reduce the chance their biases might lead to false conclusions.
.
I'd be surprised if an ignorant troglodyte like you made it past the first sentence and tldr'd the rest...

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>>730397213
>Go on, Trump, change the face of the supreme court for the next 40 years :)

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/next-president-likely-appoint-4-supreme-court-justices

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-next-president-could-reshape-the-supreme-court/

>>730392524
haha i love shylittlebitch

>>730397800
>reshape
How? It's already a neocon-dominated shithole.

>>730397691
>MECHANICAL ENGINEER
so then he is even less qualified.

My point was that someone who is not an expert in a field should not speak as though they are. Bill is not an envirnmentalist, so he holds no authority on global warming; Bill is not an evolutionary biologist, so he holds no authority in evolutionary biology; Bill is not a psychologist, so he holds no authority in Sexual Identity disorder and other shit like that.

>>730397283
>nice ad hominem
Thanks.
I'm not qualified to answer questions based on quantum mechanics, because I have not studied it. However, I am not outright denying things based on personal beliefs
when there is an objective truth. People seem to get hung up on whether or not for instance climate change is real or not, or whether or not vaccines cause autism. What they then do is make up their own opinions about them, not looking at any form of evidence, and when they do, they always settle with a piece of "evidence" that suits their preconception.
I do not expect people to have deeper understandings of things like nuclear physics, quantum mechanics and well, physics in general, only that they are equipped with enough knowledge to not be retarded about things that affect every person on the planet. Like climate change, which people who somehow got into positions of power love to deny.

>>730397800
If Trump places 4 SCOTUS, I will make 4 chin my home page.
The collective squall of the left would probably be ecstatic.

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>>730393458
jaja but is he the POTUS

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>>730397691
>MECHANICAL ENGINEER
he only has a bachelor's, yet this is who braindead commies rely on for their "science"

sad

>>730398455
>If Trump places 4 SCOTUS, I will make 4 chin my home page.
>The collective squall of the left would probably be ecstatic.

#2 is on it's way :)

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/329483-grassley-another-supreme-court-vacancy-likely-this-summer

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>>730398591

>>730391984
Except he won't, if his brain develops properly.

>>730398386
>My point was that someone who is not an expert in a field should not speak as though they are...

this is nothing more than the appeal to authority in reverse: Let me remind you what the A2A fallacy is about. it's about arguing a point and only offering your "authority" as proof. But in reverse, it means that you dismiss someone's statement because they don't have a degree or other certifications of being an "authority".

THIS IS A FALLACY.

if your grandmother talks about transcription errors in maize and explains the mechanisms of proposed movements, she could be a high school dropout, but if her claims are backed up by evidence, she's offered information of value.

If Bill Nye lacks a high school diploma but talks about climate science and the claims are adequately backed by disciplined and well-balanced research, he's offered information of value.

that faggots try to dismiss his arguments because "HURR DURR, HE'S NOT QUALIFIED"
shows how much of a FALLACY-USING MORON you are and how you do not understand why logical fallacies exist.

>>730398591
and here's further proof of trying to dismiss on the basis of lack of authority rather than pointing to actual claims and refuting the evidence instead.

>>730392524
I lol'd.

>>730399268
>implying supporting a president who acts like a horny 14 year-old isn't a sign of mental illness

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>>730393854
It hasn't.

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>>730399583

>>730398401
>Thanks.
That's not a complement anon. You suddenly now preach about skepticism and objectivity yet moments before you just threw a slew of ape-shit in my direction with assumed though of how i think or operate.

>I'm not qualified to answer questions based on quantum mechanics
and many of the "scientists" in the media are not qualified to make claims about transexuality not being a mental disorder (as the DSM-5 does claim it to be a sexual identity disorder). These supposed "scientists" are not experts in the fields they talk for, which pisses me off when people treat their opinion as a fact.

>However, I am not outright denying things based on personal beliefs.
then please provide the proof that global warming is real. Please don't appeal to the "the majority of scientists agree" bullshit. Prescribing to an appeal to authority does not provide an objective proof.

>inb4 you are an anti-science bigot meme
I believe global warming is happening when you account for the average change of climate globally. However, i am a skeptic and willing to be proven wrong (because no science is fact, only best guess).

On an unrelated note i don't like the solutions the U.N is pushing for: preventing 3rd world countries from having an industrial revolution by insisting that they cut their carbon tax while 1st world countries don't. Bloody disgusting having that bill passed.

>>730395806
>implying he will impeached
Pence is the best meat shield Donnie could have ever gotten.

>>730396476
Can you?

>>730396476
>implying you yourself know shit about it

>>730399354
>A2A fallacy
never heard of it before but i will entertain you proposition.

You said that bill nye still holds some authority on the claims he makes because his claims are backed by evidence right? When since you make that claim could you provide some evidence (burden of proof) other than his consistent claim that "scientists agree on..." as that itself requires proof that is rarely shown.

>>730388916
Haha he's a little boy and acts like a 5 year old child.

tfw faggots on /b/ care about logical fallacies

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>>730388916
He says this, then goes sticking the United States' nose back in the middle east's business.

Guy is a fucking idiot.

>>730400111
>>730400164
Quantum entaglement is this phenomena wherein 2 subatomic particles existing in a quantum superposition have their outcomes rely on one another. If one quantum particle has an up spin, the other may have a down spin if they are negatively entangled, and vice versa if positively entangled.

Happy now?

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>>730399740
Well, you're missing out on this antifa commie goddess!

>>730399354
What a joke.
Just a reminder, this discussion is moot. Your side lost. They lost popular support many yrs ago. I suggest to grow a beard, wear a sandwich board.
You will be able to impress street people with your 'logical fallacies'. Then you could emphasize your superior intellect with name calling.

>>730400616
Simpler terms faggot.

Anyone can seem smart using big words.

>>730388916
>what needs to be done
Like bombing every country that bugs him? Or listening to fake news and believing it's real?

>>730399928
>that's not a complement anon.
I know.
>transsexuality
Well. I agree there, that they always push forward some faggot who only acts as a mouth piece. They should actually talk to someone who studies it, but you know, that's not "consumer friendly", so to speak, so that's not going to happen.
>Outright denying things
I can't appeal to myself either, then? I'm not a scientist. However, the fact that there are more frequent droughts, tropical storms and species dying off more rapidly than it has ever been before can be attributed to climate change.
>anti-science bigot
Nah, mang, you seem reasonable enough.
>UN bill
Yeah, that is just wrong. I mean, if the "west" could help them out in some way, to help them skip that whole stage in their development, that would be great, but I don't see a way in which that wouldn't negatively impact those countries.
You don't go from living in mud huts to having nuclear power just like that.

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>>730400262
>You said that bill nye still holds some authority on the claims he makes
I never made such a claim. I made the reverse claim! that the "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY" is a logical fallacy.

Since you appear to be ignorant of logical fallacies, let me explain that logical fallacies are not some conspiracy to further an agenda, they're ancient principles humans arrived at to SEPARATE THE BULLSHIT ARGUMENTS FROM THE TRUTH (cf. Aristotle). We use them not out of ideology, but because they work: much like 1+2=3 works in this universe.

The claim I made (and I even included two examples, including an obviously unqualified grandmother) was that even if an obviously non-credentialed person makes a claim that is supported by evidence.... and stay with me for the most important part... THE CLAIM SHOULD STAND ON IT'S OWN MERITS, THE 'authority' OF THE CLAIMANT IS IRRELEVANT.

The only time the authority of the claimant should have any value is after the claimant has provided so much evidence and has "EARNED" his position through careful reasoning... once in a while there are MINOR areas of ambiguity in his argument... we usually grant him the benefit of the doubt ONLY IN THOSE MINOR AREAS because he seems to have the authority...
don't be a retard and attribute minor areas of ambiguity to the entire argument... that's not how it works...

>>730400697
Well, I do admit, she's not an ugly grill. I'd tap some commie ass.

I AM UGLY AND I AM PROUD!

I AM UGLY AND I AM PROUD!

I AM UGLY AND I AM PROUD!

>>730400949
quantum entanglement is like w wheels on the same cart. When one wheel rotates, the other does also.
The probabilistic outcome of 1 particle determines the outcome of the other.
If i have 2 entangled coins and flip them simultaneously, then if the first coin lands heads or tails, the second coin will land the same or opposite.

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>>730400707
>What a joke.
dismissal without evidence makes you a joke!
>Just a reminder, this discussion is moot
no discussion where information can be acquired is moot. you may not know what I seek, so I could be learning something at this very moment...
>Your side lost.
I didn't pick a side, retard... I never idealized either faggot candidate because unlike you, I didn't think either was anything more than a retard. I relied on evidence to decide... evidence that was not swayed by ideology. I love when retarded faggots like you try to ascribe their enemy's ideology to anyone who doesn't toe the line with you...
right? you think i'm some liberal hippie because you hate hippies...
...
>You will be able to impress street people with your 'logical fallacies'
it's not about impressing anyone with "logical fallacies" you inbred mongoloid, logical fallacies are not an invention of the liberal elites or whoever you dun hate. they are tools that have existed since before Christ that we adopt because they work. we use them to identify faulty arguments so we will not be taken by them.
>Then you could emphasize your superior intellect with name calling.
I only call you names after I DESTROY YOUR SHITTY ARGUMENTS... I think I earned that pleasure, just like I am going to take that pleasure now and call you an inbred retard mongoloid chromosomally aberrant abomination for lacking the ability to even read this far.

>>730401168
>What a joke.
>Just a reminder, this discussion is moot. Your side lost. They lost popular support many yrs ago. I suggest to grow a beard, wear a sandwich board.
>You will be able to impress street people with your 'logical fallacies'.

>>730388916
his personality is poorly suited to public service. he is erratic, impulsive, gullible, ignorant, paranoid and immature.

>>730401684
Lol, had to check my fucking music library there for a second.

>>730388916
Lies. He has not launched himself off of the top of his tower.

>>730401820
yeah but he hates nigs. that makes him the best president ever.

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>>730401812
>>What a joke.
sounds like a butthurt effort to refute someone who owned you

>>730401820
and those are his best traits.

>>730401820
>erratic, impulsive, gullible, ignorant, paranoid, immature
>>730401912
>he hates nigs

Some say those are related.

>>730401088
>I know.
kk.
>Well. I agree there, that they always push forward some faggot who only acts as a mouth piece. They should actually talk to someone who studies it, but you know, that's not "consumer friendly", so to speak, so that's not going to happen.
that's the problem i have with guys like bill nye talking for for fields they are not a part of.
>However, the fact that there are more frequent droughts, tropical storms and species dying off more rapidly than it has ever been before can be attributed to climate change.
global warming is associated with an overall global temperature increase of 2 degrees centigrade. An increased frequency of droughts, storms, and dying species does not necessarily correlate to an increase in temperature.
>Nah, mang, you seem reasonable enough.
that wasn't really aimed at you but any other anons who might try to attempt an ad hominem.
>Yeah, that is just wrong. I mean, if the "west" could help them out in some way, to help them skip that whole stage in their development, that would be great, but I don't see a way in which that wouldn't negatively impact those countries.
from what i understand doing the whole technology progression for them only dampens their culture and makes them more inept at future development. My proposition is to not impose these taxes and laws on 3rd world countries and to let them develop on their own without foreign intervention, that way they can make their own technology on their own time and become productive on their own. No one intervened with Europe during the revolution, and Europe came out just fine. I say let the 3rd world develop on its own.

>>730401714
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>730401168
>I never made such a claim.
thats why it was a question that i asked.
That is what the (?) is for.

>Since you appear to be ignorant of logical fallacies, let me explain that logical fallacies are not some conspiracy to further an agenda
I know what a logical fallacy is. Tell me; was that assumption of yours a straw man or an ad hominem?Don't assume my arguments for me anon.

>>730389257
you know you're a cuck when you have a picture of anti donald trump propaganda saved

>>730401915
you do realize that
>>730401812
is not me right?

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>>730402422
hurr, ima point n laugh so he won't see i gotz nothin to refute!
maybe if i laugh hard eunff, ill hurt hiz feelinz!

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>>730393727
MASSIVE REDPILL

I don't hate him. I don't like the guy, either; but I don't hate him.
Before the election, he disagreed with Hillary's policy of wanting to piss off Russia and instead said the US should team up with Russia to fight ISIS. Then he bombed Assad's shit (Russia's allies) and ISIS used it to launch an offensive.
Before the election he said he'd put Hillary behind bars for all her criminal misgivings and so far it looks like he hasn't done shit.
Has wall construction even started yet?
However, I do like how much he divides the American people and brings them closer to civil war though. Which might actually help with all his talk about taking less of an interventional role on the world stage.

I dislike him, but you guys should totally vote him in a second time.

>>730402724
no

>>730402203
>let the third world develop on its own
Yes. Definitely. As you said, no one intervened when Europe was developing.
Third world countries seem barbaric to us because we're so far ahead of them, but the fact of the matter is that it wasn't much better here before the industrial revolution. Or well, it was, I'd much rather live in medieval europe than in modern day Africa. The problem with places like a lot of African countries is that their progress has stagnated for decades, if not centuries. A lot of the problems they have there don't even exist in the western world. Like fucking access to clean drinking water.

>>730403134
Wow, shit's getting wild in Sweden.

He's fucking hot i jack off high to his rallies all the time and picture him fucking my little ass in front of all the cameras, me performing sex acts behind the wall, licking hillaries pussy too with Bernie sanders cock down my mouth.

I fucking love my fuck uncle Donald.

Not one fuck given.

>>730394001
Interracial? Sauce

>>730388916
an old ass man with dementia be tugged in two directions by jewish family and the other direction by a pseudoNazi. i think its fucking hilarious actually.

> he's doing great on his drives though

>>730403333

Quads :D

>>730403266
Right? All their snow has turned to sand. Now that is some wild shit.

>>730390937
>not understanding the difference between debt and deficit

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Your country is built on really crass shit!

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>>730402608
>I know what a logical fallacy is. Tell me; was that assumption of yours a straw man or an ad hominem?Don't assume my arguments for me anon.


my assumption of your ignorance of logical fallacies comes from the fact I just gave you a reminder of the A2A (appeal to authority) fallacy and two examples, yet you still committed the very fallacy again. This suggests to me you are either INTELLECTUALLY LAZY or incapable of understanding.

it is not a straw man because a straw man fallacy is where you INVENT an argument, proceed to beat it up, and claim you beat up your opponent's argument. This is not what I did.
i.e.; if I claim that you must be a Trump supporter who works for the oil companies so we must dismiss your claim because we accuse you of shilling. This ignores the complex realities that you may not be that, or that you may have a valid point.

It is not ad hominem because an ad hominem is when someone ONLY ONLY ONLY refutes an argument by attacking the interlocutor, without challenging the idea.
i.e.; if I dismiss your claim by accusing you of being a pathological liar and tell everyone that your claims are not to be trusted NOT on their merits, but because you lie all the time. This is faulty because I attacked YOU as a response.

as an aside: >>730401714
though in public discourse, name calling is rude and frowned upon, it need not be a logical fallacy. the difference between being a rude asshole who still is logical and someone who commits an ad hominem attack is that the rude person will still offer evidence and
RESPOND TO THE IDEAS
while the ad hominem relies entirely on besmirching the character of his opponent
WITHOUT RESPONDING TO THE IDEAS

>>730403045
>I'd much rather live in medieval europe than in modern day Africa.
same here anon. But that's because, despite the filth, the medieval era was the first era of enlightenment. Those dark ages were quite bright.

>The problem with places like a lot of African countries is that their progress has stagnated for decades, if not centuries.
but why? and how can that be fixed (if at all)?

>A lot of the problems they have there don't even exist in the western world. Like fucking access to clean drinking water.
yes. I have to wander if there are ways to solve that?

Someday the solutions may come, until that day i feel that the best solution is laze-faire and retract all business and industry until they have managed to make their own. Giving shit to people all the time out of pity reduces their competency at doing those things on their own.

>>730403278
Fucking idiot didn't aim far back enough and just blew his own mouth off. Now he's got to try again.

>>730401168
appeal to authority is only a fallacy if the authority is wrong. if it's something you don't understand like highly technical science, it's not a fallacy to appeal to authority, it's rational

>>730389211
Pudgy fucker

>>730401684
I wonder would anybody buy a joke album if Kreator made it.

As a socialist I find all of this fucking hilarious. The right is setting themselves up for a very left wing candidate soon. Making promises you can't fulfill is a stupid idea. This whole populism phase is just that. A phase. I'm not some antifa cunt who believes punching a dude who believes in freedom of speech is some sort of "revolution". But as a member of the non-insane left, I'm excited for 2020.

>>730404659
tulsi 2020 nigga

>>730403881
>A2A (appeal to authority)
OK. I didn't know what A2A meant. likely because i have never heard appeal to authority mentioned in such a way.

>...fallacy and two examples, yet you still committed the very fallacy again.
I was attempting to see if i could summarize the points you were making. Thus the ? at the end of the statement made. If any fallacy was committed it was an unintentional straw-man.

>it is not a straw man because a straw man fallacy is where you INVENT an argument, proceed to beat it up, and claim you beat up your opponent's argument.
no a strawman can also involve the practice of distorting or misrepresenting one's argument.

>so we must dismiss your claim because we accuse you of shilling.
that would be ad hominem, not strawman. Since ad hominem attacks the motive or person themself, rather than their argument.

>It is not ad hominem because an ad hominem is when someone ONLY ONLY ONLY refutes an argument by attacking the interlocutor, without challenging the idea.
so if i do an attack on character and then provide a straw-man at the same time, then i am only commiting a straw-man?

>>730389854
Lololol

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>>730404218
>appeal to authority is only a fallacy if the authority is wrong

you seem to be missing the whole point of the appeal to authority fallacy, in spite of my previous attempts at explaining it.

I will try one last time in an honest hope that you are honestly interested in understanding and not some chromosomally aberrant subpar.

In reasonable arguments*, the point is to arrive at the truth. we do this by focusing on the claims made. We analyze claims made and decide on the merits of the CLAIMS MADE PLUS ACCEPTED EVIDENCE.

any deviation from this rigid framework is likely to distort the truth.

an appeal to authority is when you question the claims made by a person MOSTLY because they are not an authority on that subject. This, in spite of the possibility they may be offering a solid argument.
i.e.; if an alcoholic illiterate explains that atoms exist in clouds of probability that determine their chemical properties, he may be talking out of his ass, but if his claims are supported by ample evidence (like the Copenhagen interpretation), then his argument has validity and we accept it on its own merits, even if it did come out of a retard.

if you don't understand something, yes, it is reasonable to defer to authorities on the subject, but even then, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CHECK.
In the case of Bill Nye, you check his claims against actual climate scientists.
you check his claims against scientists of different cultures
you check his claims against scientists of different nations
you look into yourself and recognize your own potential biases... why? because you must afford the possibility that your own biases might cloud your judgment... SO YOU WEIGH THE EVIDENCE SLIGHTLY IN FAVOR OF THE OTHER SIDE just to be fair.
most importantly, you look at as much evidence... and honestly consider all sides.
but that's a dying artform

>>730393727
How about you source real studies instead of youtube videos?
Remember that videos are harder to make for less information compared to text. It's not a media that they use just for the lulz.

>>730405584
anon
>>730404218
is not me:
>>730405093

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>>730397691
This faggot just got kicked in the childhood. Kek

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>>730405093
>>it is not a straw man because a straw man fallacy is where you INVENT an argument, proceed to beat it up, and claim you beat up your opponent's argument.
>no a strawman can also involve the practice of distorting or misrepresenting one's argument.
>>so we must dismiss your claim because we accuse you of shilling.
>that would be ad hominem, not strawman. Since ad hominem attacks the motive or person themself, rather than their argument.
>>It is not ad hominem because an ad hominem is when someone ONLY ONLY ONLY refutes an argument by attacking the interlocutor, without challenging the idea.
>so if i do an attack on character and then provide a straw-man at the same time, then i am only commiting a straw-man?

Though it would be fun to split hairs, I fear this place is ill suited to such fineries.
the main point of all these fallacies is they detract from our goal of truth-finding. The goal is to argue the ideas and the logic of those ideas and not to argue the people or the people behind those ideas. This does not mean you can't criticize your opponents, it just means you must first address their ideas before you call them 'inbred retards'...

>>730406025
and faggots like this will always try their hand at disruption, mostly because they have no refutations at hand... keep at it basement dweller, you entertain me with your idiocy ;)

Hey!

I am from Poland!

Germany threatening us!

What shall we do?

>>730406265
> it just means you must first address their ideas before you call them 'inbred retards'...
only you called people inbred retards (assuming you are the same fag).
>the main point of all these fallacies is they detract from our goal of truth-finding.
i am well aware of that.
>The goal is to argue the ideas and the logic of those ideas and not to argue the people or the people behind those ideas.
but when an argument i sbased on what someone else says, then the authority of that source must be questioned. Bill nye holds no authority to his arguments because he is not an expert in what he talks about. Now it can be argued that the sources he uses are reliable and thus he has some authority, but then you see that his source is appealing to a meta-analysis that itself is not very reliable.

I'm no denier of global warming, that's not my point right now. My point is that bill is simply not cut out for what he is doing right now.

>>730406638
fake and gay
debunked 5 years ago

>>730407054
You can suck my dick!

>>730389211
>>>730388916 (OP)
>he isn't doing shit, except play golf and tweet
STFU shill

DEUTSCHLAND IST EIN HITLERSTAAT!!

put this sentence in the Google Translater and translate this from German to English.

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>>730406967
>only you called people inbred retards (assuming you are the same fag).
I sure did... and in the same response, I rebutted their ideas... at worst, I'm a rude asshole (and that's cool with me) but I did not commit the even graver sin of NOT REFUTING AN ARGUMENT WITH A COUNTER-ARGUMENT for the idea.

>but when an argument i sbased on what someone else says, then the authority of that source must be questioned. Bill nye holds no authority to his arguments because he is not an expert in what he talks about. Now it can be argued that the sources he uses are reliable and thus he has some authority, but
the 'authority' of Bill or his sources is a distraction, the real question is: ARE THE CLAIMS MADE SUPPORTED BY EVIDENCE?
if you wish to challenge the claims Bill Nye makes, feel free to point them out and eviscerate those points.
if you wish to do the Sagan way of "you made the claim, prove it", that's cool too... point to the claim someone made so we can FALSIFY it.

the point again and again is not the people, but the ideas. avoiding the ideas is the root of all fallacies not because we say so, but because they do not lead to the truth we seek.

either way, the authority of the people is of nearly no importance.. only in those limited cases where they've proven their point 95% of the way do we defer to their authority.

>>730388916
>put any one in his place and you faggots would still hoot like niggers that they were fucking it up, because people were promised a sand nigger utopia and got GHETTO Muslims instead. Before Barry left office h had given some of the most dangerous mother fuckers nukes and uranium....contemplate that shit.

>>730407122
typical 8-year-old faggot retort. try again motherfucker, you're barely worth a sage.

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>>730392132
On the 31st day he revealed his secret plan to us.

>>730408028
I am the CEO of Google!

HEY, this place is starting to make sense and we can't have that.
Jesus, we have someone accurately describing conformation bias without knowing what to call it.
A self described socialist calling out the 'insane' left.
This thread is meaningless. The last pre-election poll I saw said 6% more people feared clowns than did global warming. Shit, you can't make this stuff up. It would write itself.
more hate/discontent needed.

>>730405584
if you don't have a strong understanding of a specific science it's not your place to question those scientists

>>730407837
I think i finally get it.
Thanks.

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>>730390335
shiiiiit. he's saved America 1000s times more than that.

You do you Trump, you magnificent bastard!

>>730396708
Keep on trucking muslim scum. you fucking inbred halfwits seem to be determined to stay in the bronze age.

Trump is chaotic neutral.

The destiny of America is in the hands of its citizenry.

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>>730408179
>if you don't have a strong understanding of a specific science it's not your place to question those scientists

HA HA HA HA HA HA!

ok, let me regain myself....

it seems in spite of explaining how the APPEAL TO AUTHORITY multiple times, we still have posters insisting on some variation of this LOGICAL FALLACY.

Let me explain it in hopes some folks honestly want to know and it wasn't just some troll trolling for a rise--hell, even if it was the latter, ill respond because there might still be somewhat intelligent folks:

if Albert Einstein proposes (through his field equations) that gravity is an effect of spacetime, and has been proven for nearly 100 years to be right, by your logic, a 10-year old illiterate child in Tanzania is out of his place in questioning his field equations.

but there always exists the possibility that child might have stumbled across an equation that explains quantum gravity and builds upon Einstein. Many discoveries in science arose from such chance events.

yes, 99.9% of the time, these claims are stupid and wrong, but TRUE SEEKERS OF KNOWLEDGE AND SCIENTISTS CANNOT DISMISS SUCH CLAIMS WITHOUT AT LEAST EXAMINING THEM.

in the case of the Tanzanian kid, we can at least glance at his equations... if they look like chicken scratch and have glaring errors (as is often the case) we dismiss them and we're done. if they appear to have some validity, we test them further... and further... and further... and try our damndest to FALSIFY THEM through the scientific method... and if after that, his theories survive, we award that kid the Nobel Prize and build our rocketships to Alpha Centauri

the point is: it's irrelevant what your authority is. it's likely if you're not a scientist you may not know, but it's still important to check your claims.

I don't like Trump because he's far too emotionally driven and easily provoked. He seems to not make logical decisions and take things seriously.

>>730409498
tl;dr plz

>>730409498
here's what you're not understanding. Any assumptions you make about a science you don't understand are guaranteed to be rooted in logical fallacies and cognitive bias. You're opinion is worthless and you should shut up and let the adults talk