Trump is going to let the government shut down unless he gets

>>730302682
Your a liberal, nothing can be explained to you. You literally have mental impairment/

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>>730303120
It's like the show Braindead has come true. If someone disagrees with you they have a mental impairment? People who think this way have an impairment. Autism?

https://youtu.be/NfLNwndVfKM

>>730303393
Your an idiot because you clearly dont understand how the US government works

illegal immigrants cost america 113 billion dollars a year.

do you have any idea what we could do with 113 billion a year?

A YEAR. 10 years of a wall will of saved us a TRILLION dollarydoos.

>>730304286
That would imply the wall would work. Which it wouldn't.

>>730304286
Eurofag here. How do they cost that? Do you give them free housing or what gives?

>Do you have any idea what we could do with 1.5 billion?
land a fucking car on Mars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity_(rover)

>>730302682

He's stupid.

The Republicans are stupid.

The Democrats are stupid.

They got elected by the American people that were stupid enough to vote for them.

Everything seems about right. Stupid government for stupid people. Nothing new here. What did you expect?

The wall will actually cost 25 billion. He's asking for one and a half. The fight is symbolic. Like his fight to defund pbs or the wall itself for that matter. None of these things actually matter.

Factory jobs exist, CEOs tell Trump. Skills don’t.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/factory-jobs-exist-ceos-tell-trump-skills-dont/

The Trump Wall Now Estimated to Cost $21.6 billion

http://www.investopedia.com/news/how-much-will-trumps-wall-really-cost/

An Engineer Explains Why Trump’s Wall Is So Implausible

http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/

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New photos of the deportation force!!!

>>730304281
He's allowing a shutdown over a symbolic 1.5 billion out of at least 20. I know exactly how it works and this is really bad. It's poison to the body of our government. Both sides are wrong, but even house and senate republicans are calling him wrong this time. Yet he persists

1.5 billion is pennies relative to the entire federal budget. Also, "government shut down" is just a phrase that people use because it sounds bad. It doesn't mean what you think it means. Do you think all hell will break loose because Congress or your local chamber of whatever doesn't meet for a few days? It will not affect you. Police, fire, schools, everything else will remain active. Also, the government "shuts down" every single week on saturday and sunday, and everything is fine.

>>730305003

It kind of matters. He's defunding shit like PBS and the EPA and Forestry services that provide real, useful, and concrete services for your tax dollar and he's spending all the money he saved doing that times 4 to increase our defense spending by $54 billion which is more than the #3 defense budget on the planet. How much is that going to translate into gains for you when we already dwarf every single other country in defense?

It kind of matters.

>>730304472
lel. okay, lets just pretend the wall only stops 1% of immigrants. just 1, single, solitary percent. 99% failure rate.

thats a billion dollars saved. per year. 1 and a half years and the "obscene" amount trumps asked for is covered.

>>730302682

> as a liberal

Actually it's the conservatives who should be pissed about the hemorrhage of money Trump is costing, between the extra Secret service for his golf games and Melania's NY residence, to this wall, to dropping bombs on empty airbases.

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>>730305422
The wall was always mostly symbolic. It's a big middle finger designed to show foreigners that they aren't welcome.

>>730305553

Yea, they remain active without pay.

In April 2011 I got paid a month late thanks to the idiot shutdown then, and they were considering not paying at all. Still had to work though.

>>730305595
Nigger, how do you lose this money on the beaners? How? Eurofag here doesn't get it. Do you give them housing or what?

>>730305595

But he isn't saving any money. Not a cent. He's spending even more money than the last two Presidents, just on different shit.

>>730304286
so you seriously think that putting up a wall is what will save that money? Are you fucking serious?

>>730304694

No, it's just hyped up racists claiming all of this. Illegal immigrants can't get most services although they do overburden our Emergency Rooms which cannot turn ANYBODY away. They probably add to the crime rate, but they also spend money in their communities on groceries etc so even though I am not a big fan of Wetbacks, I think economically they actually help the US more than hurt, especially working for low wages.

And the idea that a wall would keep them out is laughable...there are place with walls now that the illegals just laugh at because they know how to get over/under it very easily. In fact right now, there is more us->Mexico immigration than the reverse, so building an airtight wall would keep more illegals IN.

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>>730302682
You're a liberal. Who cares what you think?

>>730305595
Not accounting for money spent by illegals which goes back into our economy and what them sending amrtican dollars back does to prop up the dollar, plus the cheap labor..so it at most would be in the millions if not actually a loss.

>>730304924
yea lets have anarchy xD ancap for the win! fuck roads and police and firetrucks1!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbAXNjshEV4

The Effects of Immigration on the United States’ Economy — Penn Wharton Budget Model

http://www.budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

>>730305553

You clearly don't get what a shutdown means. Look up what happened in 1995 and 2013 when the GOP Congress had their tantrums and shut down the govt.

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>>730306041
at least he's not a trumptard with no ability to think

>>730305631
>thinking the right cares about fiscal responsibility AT ALL

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>>730302682

>>730305925
well he WOULD be if he built the wall

lol

>>730305944
uh....yeah. ask all the other large scale walls. isreali wall thats lowered suicide bombings, the berlin wall, the great wall of china, isreali-egypt wall.

"While 9,570 citizens of various African countries entered Israel illegally in the first half of 2012, only 34 did the same in the first six months of 2013, after construction of the main section of the barrier was completed"

99.6% success rate. huh.

>>730305595
or we could pretend that you have any understanding and keep talking. Are you aware that we spend money in ways other than those related to illegal immigrants crossing the border? The vast majority of that money doesn't even come from defending the border. all this without even considering that there are far more cost effective ways of defending our borders that don't require us to take land and build a wall through peoples property.

>>730306017
Well perhaps the climate will discourage them from coming. The wall works on a symbolic level as a counter to lady liberty. Which wasn't constructed or erected using tax dollars.

>>730306351
ok, kid. What made you think I was a trumptard? You're just making shit up. Morons like you are why the American Left is in the shithole.

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Trumpcucks so fuckin mad

>>730305595
KEK this is what Trumpets actually think

>>730305823
Get a real job then you fat fucking nigger

>>730306384

$54 billion increase in defense

that is all

the wall barely matters compared to that

>>730306670
It's okay though because USA! #1! And you're a fucking liberal if you disagree.

>>730306384
It doesn't scale. Also enforcing the wall the way they do would require massively expanding the guard and spending an obscene amount of money in the process.

>>730306041
You post a picture that is a quote that is ad hominem next to your own. Neat.

>>730306392
uh, yeah, thats where the 113 billion figure comes from. services and such rendered to non-tax paying illegal immigrants, as well as crime, deporting, yadda yadda.

and im sure they could compensate those land owners with the 113 billion they would start saving

TRUMP: you will pay for the wall
MEXICO: sure. Do you guys accept updog?
TRUMP: what’s updog
MEXICO: I can’t believe that worked

https://twitter.com/BuckyIsotope/status/856236125953961987

>>730306640

I wonder who will come save you when you get attacked by niggers, who will help you when your house is on fire, who will get you to the emergency room during your heart attack, who will defend you from foreign armies.

Nah I guess its not a real job is it.

Leftist men are some of the most pathetic emaciated people in modern history.

The wall would work, and 1.5 billion is practically NOTHING for a project with such a scale and such benefits coming from it.

>>730306758

I disagree, and I'm not a liberal.

You're just trolling though.

Except it's highly possible you aren't. There are literally people that dumb here.

>>730306138
Look its a straw man! soon it will fall apart in the winter weather if we dont care for it.

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Amigos, yo love Hispanics! Viva taco bowls!

Why are Trump's buttboys so afraid of anyone criticizing him?

>>730307124

Holy fuck somebody properly applied the term strawman. I am shocked.

>>730306932
I don't think you know what an "ad hominem" is.

>>730306041

ad ho·mi·nem
ˌad ˈhämənəm/
adverb & adjective
1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

>>730306618
>implying i voted trump

kek. hillary wanted a wall as well, she just turncoated the second she thought it would win her the election.

>>730306670
so half of having a wall and thats covered. what a terrible thought. and fucking seriously? everyones shrieking about triump possibly starting war world 3 and the idea that maybe having more money spent on defense is a bad idea? do you WANT to die?

>>730307177
they take after their thin oranged skin leader

>>730303120
0/10 troll harder.

>>730307292
How the fuck does that apply to
>>730306041

>>730306384
>isreali wall thats lowered suicide bombings, the berlin wall, the great wall of china, isreali-egypt wall.
You mentioned the Israeli wall twice to make this list seem more significant. The Israeli wall and the Berlin wall are nowhere near the length of the proposed border wall. The only one that compares is the Great Wall of China, which was only accomplished through centuries of work and near-slave labor by poor Chinese.

>>730306041
Wagner Clemente Soto was an actual communist.

>>730303120
another breightard follower

>>730303120
"Conservative" means that you love being a slave. They are the happy slave

>>730307783
Doesn't make his point any less valid.

>>730306896
>It doesn't scale
yes it does. oh hey look a completely baseless claim backed up by nothing. i can do that.

and yeah, expanding the guard. lets say, 3 of them per mile, so 6000 security guards, at an average yearly wage of 45,000. thats 270 million.

so that leaves us with around 112.7 billion dollars. another way of looking at that is one single year of operation would cover that for 44 years.

every single year

>>730302682
could you imagine what america would do with 113 billion dollars PER YEAR?

>>730304281
He said nothing about the government, you are clearly a troll, or a shill.

Trump followers are so afraid of any thread about him being a dumbass that they bot it? Sad. Low energy!

>>730307673
Ok. So we use Mexican labor and modern technology. Of course they'll just take paths over natural barriers that prevent an effective wall, but that's were drone strikes come in if they make it we deport them because they don't have papers on them and aren't in the national DNA database. Problem solved.

I am a proud liberal democrat. I support the wall. I have one simple reason for it. Eventually someone will pass the dumb law and make it lets just bite the bullet and get it over with so republicans can stfu about it already. It wont change a thing and it will just go to show how the republicans waste money on unimportant worthless issues that affect nothing in the long run.

>>730307302

Are you aware that last year we spent $598 billion on defense?

Are you aware that the next highest country only spent $149 billion?

The next three highest spenders were 81, 65, and 56, respectively. So he wants to increase the budget by more than all but three other countries' entire budgets when we already spend over three times more than the next highest spender.

Yes that makes sense. That makes complete sense. /sarcasm

>>730304286
There is no way that the cost that much, with how many taxes they pay, working 60 hours a week, like most immigrants do. They probably pay more in taxes than they could ever take from the system

>>730308072
Handing it out to people who don't want to work so that they'll vote Democrat? Probably.

>>730308023
It doesn't scale because it's a choke point guarded constantly by armed guards. Actual duel citizen here. You're a moron.

>>730307673
or its two walls, one between isreal and gaza and one between isreal and egypt

>>730306384
First I'd like to say that I highly recommend looking into the great wall of china as it has a very interesting past and is also widely considered a huge failure in many ways.

Beyond that you use the term "Large scale walls" as if it applies to the type of wall that trump would like to build and the modern day ones do far more than trumps wall proposes to do. A wall like the one Israeli has built for example would cost vastly more and likely doesn't scale well considering the type of border that they are protecting is very different than the one we share with mexico.

>>730308188
>We should let stupid people blow taxpayer money on stupid things because it'll prove how stupid they are.

>>730302682
to you as a liberal? i dont need to justify anything to you, cancer of humanity. do use all a favor and go die. you and people like you is why the world is the way it is.

i know what trump could do with 1.5b$... build a fucking wall to keep all the taco benders out and stop them from stealing our jobs. thats what.

if you love illegal imigrants so much, go to mexico. go to somolia, go to iraq. then post here what you find if your still alive.

>>730305710
White people are foreigners. Native American. NATIVE AMERICAN. They are native, just in case you still don't get it. White people came millennia after natives lived here for hundreds of generations.

>>730307091
Reported for flooding. You're entire thing appears to be shutting down conversations.

>>730305710
A symbolic middle finger so poorly conceived that its unclear that it will actually do fuck all in preventing the very problem for which it was proposed?

Man. We are sure showing those foreigners by putting ourselves further in debt to erect a giant testiment to wasteful government spending in an effort to gain votes.

>>730305876
It's a lie. They lie about everything to get what they want. That is the perk of owning the system and bribing/threatening everyone that fills it.

>>730306640
so like most government jobs aren't real jobs? Why not?

>>730308188

Then they'll find a way to rationalize it and nothing will be different at all, except we will have pissed away $25 billion. Even if they can't, they'll downplay the significance of it and move on to the next uncompromisable partisan issue.

They literally won't stop until every single person that doesn't agree with them is silenced, converted, or deported.

And what's crazy is the liberals are kind of the same goddamn way.

You identity politics people drive me nuts.

>>730306968
the irs is probably the liar

they tried to tax me double what i was supposed to pay because they somehow fucked up my SSN

>>730308491
No. He needs over 20 million.

>>730308482
It doesnt matter its gonna be passed at some point. Might as well do it and say told ya so.

>>730308188
I can't wait till your trash generation dies out. Human garbage like you deserve Hell more than most.

>>730302682
>Do you have any idea what we could do with 1.5 billion?
build a wall

I live in Texas and if they start building that dumb thing I'll go down and pick off a few workers with a rifle.

>>730308690
Billion.

>>730308744
Logged and backtraced. Consequences...

>>730306138
You're an idiot. Half of Idaho was on fire for like most of the fire season last year. I knew dozens of fireman begging to go, but their crews weren't hired. Even fighting natural disasters comes down to money within this prison system we live in

>>730308491
blindly following your retarded leader.
So gullible, you could be held up through the mail

>>730306934
But they wouldn't instantly stop paying that amount of money. They wouldn't even begin to stop paying that money over many years. Also how do you defend against the argument that we could reasonably defend the border better for cheaper? How do you deal with the fact that it's estimated the vast majority of illegal immigrants fly into the country rather than cross the southern border?

>>730308325
hey im a "dual" citizen too! and thats LITERALLY what we JUST discussed, the cost of manning the entire expanse with just 3 people a mile. lets, oh, times that by a factor of 10, 1 guy every 150 feet

we now have oh
111 billion left.

>>730308475
yeah i looked and the wild failure has to do with it being parts at first, and not a singular wall. also, they didnt really have drones and security cameras and motion sensors.
>it dosent scale well and would cost vasty more

thats okay. 113 billion a year in savings will pay off anything pretty quick

>>730306384
A wall would cost billions. Immigrants make money for America with taxes. We would lose money in more than one way with a wall. How do you not see that? It's time to stop trusting everything you hear on TV.

>>730307099
He's only demanding that amount be set aside now. The estimated cost of the project is far more.

>>730308969
blindly following your retarded leader.
So gullible, you could be held up through the mail

see how that works?

>>730309095
>It's time to stop trusting everything you hear on TV.
why?
its where trumpstain gets all his info

>>730306978
>My house nor anyone that I know has had a fire. So I'll take my chances
>guns work pretty swell for self defense

>>730309048
heres the first good point. your right, it wouldnt instantly stop that. nothings worth doing if theres no instant gratification amirite
>Also how do you defend against the argument that we could reasonably defend the border better for cheaper?
i dont. by all means submit your plans and/or alternative.
as for flying immigrants, generally much less dangerous or costly, they tend to only carry as much cocaine as carry on allows

>>730303120
You're*. You conservative ape

>>730307099
More like 50 billion. Money would be spent on the wall. We would lose the tax benefits of immigrant work... So we would lose trillions of dollars eventually

>>730302682
Govt shut every fucking weekend asshat.

not a big deal.

go sux on that

>>730309277
>see how that works?
just like trumptard:
"I know you are, but what am I?"

>>730307243
>ad hominem
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

The reaction was directed at the person rather than their argument. It says people go left due to being weak rather than explaining why the left is weak. I would say therefore it's attacking the arguer rather than the argument.

Based on this context I then assumed that you were using "Liberal" as an insult of the person as many people do.

>>730309320
Did you not know that 99% of broadcasting stations are owned by the elite? Aka the illuminati. Aka the new world order. Whatever you would like to call them. Jeez, this is kindergarten level stuff. Do some research bud!!

>>730309376

I'm glad you've been so fortunate. Maybe you should consider those that don't have your luck.

>>730309406
>You conservative ape
why disrespect apes? :)

>>730305879
You=cuck
If Hillary was president, you would've had your head cut off by a Muslim immigrant by now
Prove me wrong, shitwipe

>>730309778
learn to sarcasm

>>730308616
faggot, the liberals control media. anything anti liberal should be heralded as more truthful than anything that agrees with liberals. stay gunked, beta male.

>>730308072
Is this what will be lost with immigrant taxes once they can no longer work in america? Otherwise, where could you be getting these figures from? A breakdown would be nice, although I'm willing to bet the contents of my wallet, that you couldn't give one

>>730307972
What point? He simply claimed that people on the left were weak based on nothing at all.

>>730309677
I'm a classical liberal. Yes, the term liberal has become an insult and for good reason.

>>730308969

>illegal imagrant enters states
>made it in be they have no money.
>need a job
>find a job somewhere. employer knows your an imigrant, and if he's smart, he knows your illegal.
>pays you half of what they normaly pay because if you bitch, they'll threaten to deport you
>amarican citizen, born and raised in murica, now has one less job available to him because some illegal slime took it from him
>murican citizen must now accept lower pay and a shittier job because some taco bender who isnt even supposed to be here is taking his other job options for less pay then what he damands.

tell me this dosnt happen, and ill give you 100 sources.

but noooooooooooo, ilegal im igration isnt hurting murica at all right? we're just being racists to keep these people out because us being upset that their taking our jobs, which they cant even legaly hold is racist right?

fuck you. you deserve to be raped by a mudslime.

>>730308023
Can you explain how would reasonably scale seeing as you're so confident that it would?

>>730302682
don't talk about trump like that, we know what where doing, you libos don't know whats up

>>730309854
>>>730305879 (You)
>You=cuck
oh well, I guess I lose the argument because you said cuck.

>>730309954
You are a shill.

THE ELITE OWN BOTH PARTIES, AND THE MAJORITY OF ALL GOVERMENT SEATS. The two party system is in place to distract you from the fact that everything is going according to their plan. They would like you to think that it's in nobodies hands, and that it's free game.
>"Ooh, what's trump gonna do next?" Nothing but what he is told..

>>730309983
Men on the left are weak. Not people as a whole. It's ok for teens and some early 20s people, but at some point, you must outgrow liberalism.

Trump turned out to be a terrible fucking president gee what a surprise

>>730309586
just like a hillary supporter, claiming someone said/did something that never said/did.

>>730302682
probably future use of the wall will pay off
(inb4 foreigner start evolving to phase through objects)

Gook spam

>>730309954
Conservatives are power slaves. Do you like the value of your dollar lowering each year, untill you're left with half the purchasing power of.your parents? Causing you to focus on work more, and not attain any information or understanding for yourself, as the profile you clearly fit?
>Do you really enjoy it that much?

we;re in like 15 trillion dollars of debt i doubt another few billion makes a difference.

>>730309940
The world is in too deep to best around the bush. You have to say things.so the sheep will understand. Or why talk at all?

>>730310081
you made the claim, back it up. gonna need a citation on why it wouldnt.

why is this on b

>>730304286
And 138 years of the wall will save us enough money to pay off all the debt we have from buying useless shit like a wall

>>730309068
how does it save that money exactly? In what way does building the wall save us that money? Where does that figure come from and what are the costs attributed to it? How would building the wall mitigate those costs?

>>730302682
>Military spending is $598.5 billion
>$1.5 billion for the wall
Military isn't doing a good enough job, we are slow and clumsy while European country's militaries are fast, stealthy, and efficient

>>730310626
I agree, I'm going to need to see a breakdown.

>>730310068
they are probably more literate than you.

>>730306017
^^^This faggot doesn't even know things like roads, schools, fire departments, and police departments exist and are paid by legal taxable citizens. Buying groceries doesn't offset the cost of $8k per kid per year in K-12 education you fucking stupid piece of shit.

>>730306618
>Trumpets
kek

>>730310219
stop theorycrafting loser. the only reason you believe that so you can feel more important. you are human. you are just as worthless as the next one. hurr durr elites try to control us but theyre NOT GETTING ME. people like you are whats really fucking up political debates and shit

>>730310716
What is the average IQ of the US and the brown shithole on the other side of the southern border?

>>730310626
immigrants cost us money. the wall stops immigrants from getting in or out. FAIR came up with those figures, with some help of the DoD. its hard to truly estimate, but even if its 50% overstated, thats 55 billion a year.

>>730310224
How you speak doesn't determine how strong you are. Being primitive is actually a sign of degeneration. We are evolving to a point where we shouldn't act like animals. So why would you glorify a half-retarded individual who acts like a child when he doesn't get his way? I know you love trump because he "says what's on his mind". Only uneducated, primitive-minded individuals would find this appealing. Which is exactly what the elite were aiming for when placing him through the processes of presidency. Along with all the degeneration caused by having this election with two blatant stinking pieces of doodoo

>>730311125
But the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrant come by plane on a legal visa, then overstay that visa. How does a wall prevent air travel?

>>730309954
>We should automatically disagree with all arguments made by a source.


That's extremely dangerous and stupid thinking.
Thats right along the lines of saying someone is right based on the fact that they are right and thinking you have a legitimate argument.

>>730310995
>What is the average IQ of the US and the brown shithole on the other side of the southern border?
no idea, but all obviously higher than you and trumpy's combined

Get out of my country, I cant understand you. White Power

>>730310865
You are clearly a shill, and are the plight of humanity. Please kill yourself and do the rest of us a favor. I don't know how you can sleep with yourself at night, having a dirt-ball shill job. What would your mother think of your actions, huh faggot??

>>730310219

Entirely this.

Also, I am opposed to illegal immigration, but wall isn't a solution. A more streamlined legal process for those who would like to come in and a shoot on sight strategy for illegal border hoppers would be much cheaper and effective. I probably wouldn't try to cross the border illegally if i was liable to be gunned down and could easily apply and get a visa.

>>730311212
SAMs on the wall

>>730310007
I think that grouping people up and treating their ideas as monolithic is an insult. I wouldn't call myself any sort of political affiliation. I vote for those that best represent my beliefs and no one else.

>>730310865
>THIS IS A GOVERNMENT SHILL EVERYBODY SAY HELLO TO THE HANDS OF THE ELITE

stupid democrats, illegals cost us 30 bil a fuckin year

deport democrats

>>730311443
Why are you opposed to "illegal" immigration?

>>730309068
You're an Israeli citizen? Where from?

>>730311212
like said before, air travel immigration isnt as bad, they cant exactly carry trucks of cocaine with them as carry on. and, yes, it dosent. or course, if something dosent stop ALL of it, its not worth doing anything, right? dont be retarded. as ALREADY also stated, even if it has a 99% failure rate, it pays the OP`s noted cost. even if it ends up costing 20 billion, thats just 20 years of it working for it to pay itself off. if its 5% successful, then its 4 years.

>>730310068
If that happened wouldn't most people be interested in raising the minimum wage in order to guarantee tax paying workers a meaningful wage while also being interested in cracking down on businesses that take advantage of illegal workers for bigger profits?

>>730311713
where did i say that?

>>730311380
hurr durrr shill

dude, wake the fuck up. pretending you're important wont make you cool, or better than anyone. stop living in a fantasy world. this is coming from someone thats antigovernment, im not a liberal or a conservative. grow the fuck up.

>>730311755
>even if it has a 99% failure rate, it pays the OP`s noted cost. even if it ends up costing 20 billion, thats just 20 years of it working for it to pay itself off. if its 5% successful, then its 4 years.
Those are numbers that OP made up on the fly and have no basis in reality. Don't be stupid.

>>730310224
Is this a response to my statement or simply something you wanted me to hear? Seems like that latter and more ad hominem.

>>730304472
Works for Isreal.

I'm leaving the thread. I was the one calling the shills out. Good luck deciphering who is trying to destroy america and getting paid to do it. There are definitely a couple in this thread, and tons on /b/ in general. Scum of the earth, they are

>>730302682
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ0NHhnMY9o
Fucking sleepkins.

>>730308744
I'll be right there with you. Kill enough workers to make others think twice about working on it.

>>730304694
Free housing, food stamps, college, wick, etc etc.

>>730311773
> businesses that take advantage of illegal workers for bigger profits?
AKA: republicans

>>730310267
Current estimates think that it won't by any means but people have proposed other solutions that are not wall based that could potentially. Why does it have to be a wall? Is it about the wall or is it about making America great?

>>730311846
>"Pretending your important"
>This is a baseless accusation, and you reveal yourself as a shill when you say this..
>You think I'm special. And it scares you..

>>730312048
you are doing bad work, friend. calling people out for not agreeing with you has gotten no one anywhere. this is what happened in the salem witch trials, and all such events before it. you are a bad, bad man with a warped mindset. and for me disagreeing with your mob mentality and burn the witch attitude, you will call me a shill or other buzzword and think; haha, work done. i got him. thats not hoe it works. grow the fuck up.

>>730311846
Stop your shitty job. You are destroying humanity, you piece of shit.

>>730311704

Because if the laws of a country say "You can't come here unless you do X" then you shouldn't be going there unless you do that. Period. That seems like common sense to me. Why do we want even more uneducated people that can't even understand or don't have the respect to obey the simplest of laws of not living here without citizenship?

Just like how a wall isn't going to work seems common sense. There are still boats, planes, tunnels, overstayed visas, etc etc etc

If you just make the real legal process better and make a real deterrent to doing it illegally you could solve the problem from both ends.

>>730310536
I didn't make any claim at all. As far as I know I've only replied to you this one time. You said "Yes it does" in response to "It doesn't scale" and I'd just like to know how you can so boldly make that claim.

>>730311981
uh, no, the 113 billion comes from FAIR and DoD. ops number, the only one he mentioned was 1.5 billion. and i accounted for that by saying if it even ended up being 20 billion.

>>730312333
I can differentiate between a shill and an uninformed individual.
>Their intent and how they respond make them obvious
>So does their desperation

>>730308497
yup europeans conquered the amaricas. you lost the fight. get over it fuck.

"oh hur dur, white people tricked us!!!!"
well then you shouldnt have been stupid enough to allow yuour selves to be tricked then, should you?

any for anyone who's about to say "oh well by your logic if mudslimes or taco benders conquer murica, then is theirs by right of conquest".

you right... good luck. tell me how my 5.56 feels when it hits you.