I can logically prove God's existence. It's really

>>730272317
Tits or GTFO?

Do please tell us OP, actually curious

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You're the one making the outrageous claim. Atheists have no reason to ask you for anything. Either provide proof (and or tits) and gtfo.

>>730272490
Please tell us OP. That's two.

PLRASE

Well, that's three, although the last one doesn't really count.

>>730272557
Typical. I'm bumping it down to two, because you people don't understand discourse at all.

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>>730272317
do it op

please if u convince me ill say the one thing u never expect
YOUR RIGHT

>>730272595
C'mon we know we can be civilized, please tell us OP
And that is 3

no, you really can't

>>730272317
Provide this "evidence" then, you will win nobel price.

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>>730272859
>>730272819
>>730272595
>>730272490
Alright.

Our understanding of God is a being than which no greater can be conceived.
The idea of God exists in the mind.
A being which exists both in the mind and in reality is greater than a being that exists only in the mind.
If God only exists in the mind, then we can conceive of a greater being—that which exists in reality.
We cannot be imagining something that is greater than God.
Therefore, God exists.

so, OP is fag?

>>730273010
What god would that be?

>>730273010
Fucking old theological argument that is essentially wordplay and makes no actual sense, you're a fucking idiot if you think that because the idea of something exists, it must actually exist faggot.

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>>730273010
But you seem to have forgotten something Op

Gods whatever want god to be
so by that standard my god is BOB ROSS

>>730273010
can you reword this?

he exists because we think he exists?

>>730273010
A unicorn can exist then? What about a demigod? What about a pantheon of gods?

>>730273010
I've gone over this argument multiple times in religious studies, it's been debunked so many times by theologians.

Posts like these have convinced me that critical thinking classes/forensics/debate aren't taught in school anymore.

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ALL PRAISE BOB ROSS

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>>730273010
>The idea of God exists in the mind.
Like a lot of other imaginary things

>A being which exists both in the mind and in reality is greater than a being that exists only in the mind.
If something is real, then it's greater? Ok...

>If God only exists in the mind, then we can conceive of a greater being—that which exists in reality.
If god exists only in the mind, then it's not real.

>We cannot be imagining something that is greater than God.
>Therefore, God exists.

So I one can imagine greater god then your god, your god doesn't exists.

2/10 you didn't even tried

>>730273010
Yeah, sure.

I'm not sure if God exists or not but answer me this, oh wise Anon. If we knew he existed (or not), what difference would it make?

It would only make a difference if he (or she or it) really communicated with us (via holy books or whaeva) and what he communicated, wouldn't it?

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Have you apologized for being white?

>>730273010
if a god exists its a "being" outside our imagination.
a human mind can't, won't be able to comprehend something vast as the universe.

>>730273010
That's some high quality bullshit

>>730273010
I just imagined TurboGod, greater than all other Gods. Does he exist now, too?

>>730273652
Not really.

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I am an atheist.
If you can actually put forth undeniable proof of God, then I will believe it.

>>730273372

A unicorn is a combination of a horse and a cone, both of which exist in reality. The flying spaghetti monster is the combination of spaghetti and arms and eyes etc, all of which exist in reality. Everything we can imagine is influenced by what we experience in life. This being the case, how does your idea of God form? What parts of reality have helped you to conjure up an idea of God?

>>730273764
what are you 10? god exists and it's a fact.

hes using whats called a logic map, einstein and many others such as lewis carrol (charles lutdwig, writter of alice books) used many of them. But still too many holes, must provide better proof

>>730273901
Grow up

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>>730273901

Shouldn't have expected anything else.

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>>730273896
It's conforting to believe that there is something greater than you helping you out almost like... Parental influence

>>730273896
The Bible.

Which was used to explain and unite.

So that the explainers and uniters could make themselves feel better about themselves because they knew more than others.

>>730274043
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>>730274094
well idiots will be idiots. even god won't change that.

>>730274146
Or parental figure if you prefer

>>730273010
I know this is bait. But let me debunk this real quick and easy. "A being that exists in reality and in mind is greater than the one that exists only in the mind." God exists only in the mind therefore a dog is greater than that God. You literally proved that any being that exists in reality is greater than that God.

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>>730273430
I had same thoughts it should be obligatory to take those classes instead so many hours of religion.

>>730273896
>What parts of reality have helped you to conjure up an idea of God?
Man plus the weather

>>730272317
>I have thing
>I won't thing.
>it's amazing though

nah, you'd want to prove it if you could, you wouldn't need peer motivation.

>>730273010
Haha...what a crock of shite

>>730272317
You've been posting this almost daily for years. Based.

>>730274216
Why wouldn't he change it? I'm not one of those three, btw.

>>730273561
we dont know why we live,
we use resources of this planet, and all we do is think, Why do we exist?
Perhaps the only good solution is from "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" We exist to find solution why anything exist

>>730274216
God wot change anything because he's a figment of your imagination you delusional shit

>>730273010
Logical abstraction =/= presence.

>>730273010
If god made man in his own image, and god made you, god must be a fucking dumbass.

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>>730273010
Our understanding of Guk is a meme than which no danker can be conceived.
The idea of Guk exists in the mind.
A meme which exists both in the mind and in reality is danker than a meme that exists only in the mind.
If Guk only exists in the mind, then we can conceive of a Danker meme—that which exists in reality.
We cannot be imagining something that is danker than Guk.
Therefore, Guk is the dankest meme.

>>730273350
The argument roughly boils down to "if you can fathom something, it must exist in one form or another"

It can be proven in a lot of ways like if i said
>I can fathom a lesbian trangsender black american indian in the poverty line
>it probably exists

However his argument is flawed.

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>>730273010
Deeply disappointed.

>>730274216
It looks like you are in denial. You have all the evidence and you are to scared to admit that your little imaginary friend is made up. It's hard, but I once was in the same position as you are know. Seek the truth in science.

>>730274403
you are an idiot too.
>>730274431
a god you moronic piece of shit is a presence you'll never be able to comprehend with your puny brain.

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>>730274724
updated image of Guk

>>730273764
To be fair the priest has a huge economic stake in believing in god. It's sort of like asking Metallica "if I proved your music was shit, would you quit?"

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>>730273010
>mfw Emmanuel Kant could essentially prove that Unicorns exist using this

ancient argument is ancient

>>730274408
We live because our parents mated and nursed the embryo.

With the second part, I kinda agree... the last few years, the simulation theory of reality has been popular. The simulators' motive to create a simulation would be to explain their own reality. If we ever figure out the constants governing our reality and would be curious about its end results, we will probably make a simulation of our own. The problem is - that solves nothing, it's a simulation of a simulation of a simulation... pretty much infinitely.

>>730273282
How do i join your religion?

>>730273222
check'd
-also I agree

>>730274408
Why do tree or a fish or bacteria exists? You are not special. Humans are not special. You are nothing in cosmos. All your existence is meaningless.

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>>730274192
Oh dear, it appears you've found yourself in an argument loop. Can I help you with that?

>>730274842
denial? are you even able to prove god doesn't exist that you tell to seek truth in fucking science?
wtf has even science proven about gods nonexistence.

He's not responding to arguments that make sense ffs I'm out of this "discourse"

>>730274146
>>730274192

Your idea of God comes from you. Yes, you may read the Bible, but that is simply someone else's interpretation of God which you then try and imagine. Atheists have rightly rejected the kind of Gods described in many organised religions because they are ideas of God created by those who didn't know better. As time goes on and our self-awareness and morality increases and the bullshit (not all of it) expressed by those thousands of years ago doesn't cut it any more.

Atheists are desperately looking for another answer, some find solace in science, however science will not give you all the answers you desire and watch out for those who say it can, because they are just as religious as those they oppose, they have faith that simply observing the physical world will give us all the answers.

>>730274853
A being that can literally breath solar systems according to the bible. does not exist. He would have been "spotted' by now at the outer edge of our solar system. also what about adam and eve but als the formation of a molten earth? like god made it all in a week but the earh cooled down for bilions of years.

>>730273010
substitute greatness for number of penises and you just proved god has infinite penises

>>730274408
Why do you need a reason...? It's not like there HAS to be one you know

>>730275036
amen

>>730275036
edgy

>>730274853
Wow, that's a totally not-idiotic reply, Anon. Right in the feels.

>>730275112
All of god's (every god) doings were proven by science to be natural and not supernatural. Simple. I don't have to disprove your idea, prove it beyond reasonable doubt first then we all will belive it

>>730275036
this.

>>730275159
did i fucking speak about the fucking bible?

>>730275332
what do you expect from someone who still believes in fairies and dead people living again?

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>>730275036
How do you know what meaninglessness is without knowing what meaning is?

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OP's argument is terrible.

The argument for God is not a logical one, it's an emotional and faith-based one. If you are trying to tell others about God it shouldn't even be an argument (let alone a "logic"-based argument), it should just be a discussion about your experiences and what has led you to your faith.

For me, I believe in God because of the feeling of connectedness that overcomes me when I pray, and the wonder of the natural world around me. I believe that I a life based on spreading love and God's love is one that will lead me to the most fulfilling and worthwhile lifestyle for myself and others.

That's all there is too it. I'm aware that there's no provable logic and that prayer can just be dismissed as schizophrenia. I'm fine with that. My life has been incredibly blessed and through those blessings I've found my faith. That's all I need to believe it's more than delusion.

But trying to prove God through a logical proof based on an almost comical misapplication of semantics does more hindrance than good. It drives away people who can see through the wordplay and poisons the minds of believers with weak rationales for believing. Faith is something that should be strong and based on personal conviction, not just nonsensical logic games.

>>730272317
Is there even something like being indoctrinated by atheist?

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So OP can't provide anythig.

>>730275451
Are you getting upset because i used a religious text as an example? im just trying to have a debate not an argument cal yourself

>>730272317
god is that feeling everybody has that no one can really explain. That's why we have so many different religions. The feeling is there but nobody can really explain it.

>>730275331
Edgy because your mommy told you that you are very important for sky daddy? Grow up already.

>>730275124
Didn't respond to me, it's basically a parental figure in greater form, just doesn't exist because it feels real to you or because you think it exists. A godorgasm exist because "enter your previous reason here"

>>730275492
This guy gets it.

>>730275036
Not that Anon and don't wanna flame stuff BUT we seem to be the only part of the universe that is logically amazed by it. That (and ofc our survival instinct) makes us pretty special. And the lulz. Lulz are cool, man. And rare (it seems) in the universe.

>>730275427
fuck god's doings and religious bullcrap.
has science proven that god doesn't exist?

>>730272317
Logic, huh? Try this then:

1. Nothing is better than God.
2. A bacon sandwich is better than nothing
3. Therefore, a bacon sandwich is better than God

Sorry

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>>730272317

>>730275727

Would your mother send you to hell for eternity if you did something she didn't like?

nice bait but god was created by the misunderstanding of what others left behind its all in spirit bro

>>730275488
what it that even supposed to mean...?

>>730275186
God does have infinite penises of infinite length and girth. The observable universe is tiny compared to just one of His infinite number of penises. Unicorns exist in the space of possibilities defined by for us by God, the concept of unicorns references an objective reality. Unicorns are not made up and not subjective but discovered properties of reality.

>>730275488
Religios people like to think that life itself have purpose beyond primitive mating and spreading your dna. Well there is no evidence, only wishful thinking, and we in cosmic scale earth and our talks about meaning are nothing.

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Jyst exept Guk in youre hart.

>>730275999
No, she would punish me in other ways (no ice cream for a week as shit example) nice trips tho

>>730275628
where the fuck are you getting that i am upset?
you are so full of yourself.
if you use bullshit religions scripts you are not making a debate you just spam fucking bullshit.

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if we just all become heathens again he will show himself right?

>>730276143
GUK IS GPPD

Why do you always post that whiny looking girl? It makes me want to hit you in the face with a sock that has a lemon in it, and I not only believe in God, but also understand why there will never be physical proof of said beings existence.

>>730275098
It was asked where the idea of God comes from in our life. Where did the Bible writers get it from? From what I know, earlier religions. Where did earlier religions get it from? I'd say emotions, lack of knowledge, curiosity, need for social status...

>>730275854
It can't yet, becouse you can't disproven something that don't exist. Prove its existence first and we can have grown up discussion.

>>730276329
ANEN FLLOW GUKKIAN

>>730275488
>Smokes joint

>>730275492
This. I don't think I've ever seen someone try a church because of a logical argument. It's always because either (1) their friend asks them and says it's fun or (2) they are so impressed by someone else's lifestyle that they want to see what it's like. Or you know, they're afraid of eternal damnation. It's always an emotional argument because faith is an emotional experience.

>>730272317
agnosticfag here. share, please.

>>730276300
1.) I'm getting it from the language your using like an intelligent being i use different ques to read situations.
2.) What do you use then as your basis of belief?
Do you use the quran? The Bible? cmon share with the class

>>730275332
sarcasm as self-defence?
still an idiot atheist.
too bad.
>>730275465
another idiot. they were expecting you.

>>730276529
you're late, bro

>>730273010
>We cannot be imagining something that is greater than God


god's creator

now what?

>>730276038

That to be able to describe existence as "meaningless" you must also have to know what "meaning" is to make that statement. Therefore existence is both meaningless and meaningful, it's your choice which one you want to believe.

>>730276568
Ehh im just trying to let them get mad enough to use bad arguments

>>730276453
THE CHURCH OF GUK IS FOLLOWED BY TRILLIONS AROUND THE GLOBE

GUK IS GPPD

>>730276719
the globe ain't round. it's flat. all guks know this

>>730275124
>science will not give you all the answers you desire and watch out for those who say it can

Preach, Bro. I agree. But I wouldn't bet a lot on the assumption that science won't have all the answers. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. The future can be a long time.

>>730276425
i'll change your doesn't exist to can't be comprehended by human mind.

have these posts ever had 666 trips b4?

>>730276543

you're a fool. one does not need a book to tell them how to think.

once again, and so that this does not go ignored: you are a fool.

>>730276768
>there are millions that believe in a flat earth around the globe
Actual quote from flat earther vid

>>730276649
So what meaning beyond simple spreading dna has existence of tree/bacteria/fox? You can't say it's meaningless, unless you know it's meaning right?

>>730273010
No that's because humans' brain have a limit, you can't imagine something that you never experienced. For exemple, can you imagine a new colour? Can you imagine a beast not based on anything you saw? Can you imagine an infinite line?

Or if you want something more understandable : Can God create a rock that he can't lift ?

YES : paradox

NO : He isn't almighty, and therefore doesn't have the characteristics of a God.

>>730276932
So you just created your own god?

>>730276543
are you a fucking shrink? if not don't try. you don't know me or see me.
i use the incompetence of science to disprove god.
i don't like religions. they are all written by men ages ago.

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>>730276719
42 tri;;ion gUks gathre to celebrait theyre guk
1969 - Colorized

>>730275492
Anon, you're my hero and this is what faith is about, IMO. Gratefulness and hope. Much love

>>730276649
Yo I don't know where in your reasoning you stumbled, but that doesn't make any goddamn sense. You can understand the idea of meaning without applying it to existence. Just because the idea of meaning exists, that doesn't mean that existence itself has a deeper meaning.

>>730276797
So how do you even posses knowledge of its existence if you can't comprehend it?

>>730276709
they never had one to begin with you retarded atheist.

>>730277068
science is the opposite of incompetence. and i can see that view point. Thats a good point if you appen to make a sensical religion let us know

>>730277133
GUK is gppd!!!!

>>730277005
That's horsecockery. I can invent a scenario I have never experienced or even seen/heard about. How the hell would humans have invented anything if this was true?

>>730276628
The idea of "God's creator" still falls under the definition of God. God is defined in the Bible as the original Word/Law/Logos that everything else including logic is a subset of.

>>730277309
Every scenario is based on something the author as experienced in his life. Prove me wrong if you can.

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>>730277203
shit

>>730273010
Islam is the greatest religion by your logic, then.

>>730277432
no GUK IS GPPD!!!!!!!!

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>>730277296
>>730277488
prays hmi

>>730273010
Just putting aside how absurd and outdated this entire argument is for a second...
>The idea of God exists in the mind.
Does it though?
> a being than which no greater can be conceived.
Is pretty vague and meaningless.

The purest response I can give to the notion of God is that the word is nonsensical.

Now go undo the errors of history and let the fresh air in.

>>730277347
God's creator didn't have to create universe you dipshit, he also could have had a creator and so on and on. It's meaningless. There is no evidence that any God exists.

>>730277199
realization dude.
if try to think an infinite number like π do you realize how huge god is? what kind of thinking and evolution it needs to happen before we have a chance to understand it completely?
i am real my thoughts are real god is real.
if you need to see something to believe it then good luck with that.

>>730273010
>The idea of God exists in the mind.

Do animals have the concept of God ?

>>730277566
dubs

it is true

>>730277203
For a believer, you're not a very nice person.

>>730277566
Guk has blessed us this day

>>730272317
>>730273010
No no no .. Word games aren't PROOF...
If Jehova loves us so much, why hasn't he supposedly appeared on earth in thousands of years?
Proof would be convincing him to come chill on a talk show, Show off some powers live, and then tell people what's what.
Not having a bunch of CHILDREN who have been scared into a faith and fear the deity that is supposed to 'love' them by people that have little to no Actually knowledge of their own religious texts.
Tell Jehova I want him to come sit on my couch and talk to me IN PERSON. If You all want everyone else to believe ~ maybe it's time to Tell him that HE needs to do some work and maybe update your books with what he wants NOW and not 2000 years ago.

>>730276973

A tree/bacteria/fox doesn't need any meaning beyond itself, they do not have the required amount of self-awareness to do so.

A tree gives you oxygen to breathe, billions of bacteria are inside you at this very moment keeping things in check, you could adopt a fox and love it as a pet.

Alternatively, a tree could fall on your head and kill you, a bacteria could infect you and kill you, a fox could bite you and kill you. However, they would all mean something to you, good or bad. Meaning can only come from those who understand and experience it.

>>730277272
for humans yes for extraterrestrial and celestial being no it IS fucking incompetent.

>>730277418
don't feel bad shit happens lawl

>>730277848
how dare you

Guk is the creator of all

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>>730277723
nested trips
he iz waching

>>730277789
that depends. my fucking gods don't give a fuck.

>>730277908
That is the most ass backwards thinking ive ever heard

>>730275492

You're just using the backdoor of uncertainty to open the way for destructive ideology because it is a pacifier.
Also, your feelings can be valid without describing them and believing in the reality of your imaginations. This is a far superior mode of being in the end.

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I can't believe Atheists are still trying to win this long lost debate. Obviously God is real, how else would you have an opinion of him?
Besides, atheism doesn't teach morality or anything beneficial. Historicaly atheism is responsible for all the worst genocides.

>>730277682
So becouse you have pleasent idea in your head you told yourself it's true and then for you it's realisation? I'm sorry anon for not believing every batshit crazy story I heard and basing my worldview on evidence. I'm sure you are doing same thing in everything except religion.

>>730277643
No you don't understand the definition. That which defined the original laws in which everything runs came before any "universes" however you define "universe". The concept of God is completely valid and references objective reality. You can argue about specifics like if Christ was really incarnation of the Word but the definition of God as the Word is not made up. It's pragmatic and references reality.

>>730276568
Idiot atheist? IMO, God may be around. Or not. I don't know. I insist on leaving both possibilities open until I know for a fact.

>>730277997
your right

my guk it is true

>>730278101
explain.........................

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>>730272490
>>730272557
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>>730274192
WHY DO YOU RETARDS KEEP RESPONDING TO THIS SHIT?

It's just absurd to be an atheist as it is to be a theist. Either way you're implying that the idea of God makes sense.

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>>730273010
I just imagined a god that both does and does not exist in both imaginary and real and all possible realities.
Therefore, I just proved your hypothesis incorrect and ipso facto disproved god.
QED motherfucker

>>730277411
I just imagined being blind and deaf. I have never experienced either. It's amazing what the mind can do.

>>730277871
Same with humans. We don't have meaning other then simple existence. Or we can give it ourselves, but there is no greater purpose to life. Is this what you want to say?

>>730278056
Oh, OK. Cool.

I've been wondering if there is (or are) god(s). Can you give me some proof of them or are they your gods only?

>>730278132
it doesn't matter if you believe it. you never will. understanding something like that won't affect you anyways. when you realize how great this power is an how small you are you just live your life cause to a god you don't even fucking matter.

>>730278384
This is what makes this such an appealing troll thread. It won't end until we all come to terms with it.

>>730277347
you failed bible school

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>>730277997
>7799
is undenaiaabul

>>730278118
Have opinion that magic pixies creators of universe doesn't exists. Therefore they exists becouse how else could you have option about them

>>730278118
>Obviously God is real, how else would you have an opinion of him?

weak argument

>>730278314
science is the teaching/learning/discovery of how to do things better, successfully, and general knowledge. Just because you are all powerful does not mean you are inherently independent of competence.

>>730278194
GOT 'EM!!! You are absolutely correct! The definition of god is entirely made up you syphilitic fucking gibbon

>>730278500
Can you educate this humble servant of the Lord? What is the error?

>>730278384
If God is the Logos of the world that's the most reasonable definition of God that I've heard. But that still means that you've just given another arbitrary name to the Logos of the world, to which you cannot logically ADD anything. The logos of the world = the logos of the world.

>>730278194
If you want to portrait god as physics I don't care much about a conversation becouse it's not what op was stated

>>730278429
you can go blind by closing your eyes and can go deaf by being in a silent place and covering your ears.

Try again

>>730278194
>references reality
Is god male or female?

>>730278609
at the state science works it is incompetent to find god. science works mostly with logic and a set of natural standards. gods are outside science reach for millennia to come.

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>It's just absurd to be an atheist as it is to be
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>>730278194
>Why do you always post that whiny looking
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>>730275717
YOU HAVE ALL SINNED

GUK IS YOUR MASTER!!!!!!!!

>>730273010
>Our understanding of God is a being than which no greater can be conceived.
>The idea of God exists in the mind.
>A being which exists both in the mind and in reality is greater than a being that exists only in the mind.
>If God only exists in the mind, then we can conceive of a greater being—that which exists in reality.
>We cannot be imagining something that is greater than God.
>Therefore, God exists.
I can counter that in two words...
"which god?"

>>730278728
This was supposed to be a reply to this.>>730277347

>>730272317
"Logical" Proof isn't physical evidence. Go away, faggot.

>>730278879
I repent for guk is the one true sentient one

>>730278480
Not that Anon.

More weak arguments here, dude. I just smoked a cigarette. Could God (with all his immense power) smoke one of my cigarettes?

>>730278653
bible was written and edited by man. :)

>>730272317
once this thread 404's all members of the church of guk will go out unto other threads and boards and the will spread the word;

"GUK IS GPPD"

The Book of Guk 14:4

>>730278879

all hail guk yo

>>730279217
"GUK IS GPPD"
"GUK IS GPPD"
"GUK IS GPPD""GUK IS GPPD"

>>730279217
spred hix gosple

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>>730272317
>ask nicely.

blow me

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>>730272317
:)

>>730279218
AMEN

>>730279034
my arguments are weak?
why the fuck would a god smoke a cigar?
if your inside voice says "cause i said so" then you are an idiot.
a god is not in the physical realm or dimension.
try to compare oranges and apples and go to first grade you intergalactic retard.

>>730277871
Existence is not simple, human existence anyway. So start finding the meaning.

>>730278643
All concepts are defined by humans, some reference observable phenomena others do not. The concept of God references the observable fact that reality has an underlying universal structure. That is what the first monotheists were referencing and what the Bible talks about.

>>730278787
OP is trying to formulate his intuition logically, this like the prime mover argument and many others all have a point. Words can not really communicate meaning, they can only point the way.

>>730278728
>you cannot logically ADD anything
There exists an objectively most successful tradition at examining the nature of reality, of being closer to God, it's called Christianity.

>>730278842
Christ is a man. The word doesn't apply to the Word.

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>>730279342
hw cals to oyu

>>730279509
>realm or dimensi
then how can it be said to exist? what is the meaning/sense in it?

>>730279595
YOU MUST ACCEPT GUK INTO YOUR HEART

>>730279595
>There exists an objectively most successful tradition at examining the nature of reality, of being closer to God, it's called Christianity.
Passing the buck. No evidence for the validity of christian method.

>>730272317
I'll kick OPs ass just cuz I can and they keep posting this same shit. After I get done, you can happy in knowing it was all Gods will.

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>>730275492
This fag, right here, demonstrates perfectly what theism should be and what it should mean. I love you anon. Only if more conversion-obsessed religious nuts had the same idea as you. There would be less bible thumping and more peace and tolerance amongst people from all walks of life.

>>730277005

This is based on the idea of God being a physical being with arms that can lift things. That doesn't work, that's a human concocted idea of God that is a separate entity to everything else, when God is in fact everything.

>>730279509
>a god is not in the physical realm or dimension.
Then why should we waste time and roodypoo words discussing god? Because you're afraid of letting god down?

>>730279733
you stopped making sense.
write again in a way of english.

>>730279790
Guk is defined as a reference to the ultimate meme, the meme of memes. I already accept that Guk is real but I don't worship him or see it as a particularly useful concept.

>>730280083
basically just the same as what this anon is saying>>730280050

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>>730280169
idk cause we like it?
somehow it matters to you if gods are in our dimension???

>>730280158
HOW DARE YOU

GUK IS GPPD

>>730280481
point is, if its outside the world it becomes irrelevant nonsense.

>>730279595
>The concept of God references the observable fact that reality has an underlying universal structure
Well put, Anon. Not on either sides of the atheist/theist debate btw. Just curious cuz I'm not the only one that wondered about it and other people may have different things to say about it. You think if science ever gets The Theory of Everything, God is disproved? And if we are able to know that theory (and with it the ability to predict everything in the future), SHOULD we know it? Wouldn't that kinda wreck curiosity?

>>730280050
If nothing else accept the concept because it's useful. The modern worldview and social structures are all based on the concept of God. God given rights etc.

God gave me free will because He loves me. This is an objectively true statement if you understand the concepts as defined and refined in the Christian tradition. It's demonstrably useful to frame the world this way and it's not some delusion as we have established.

>>730280621
>god given insights
obstruct useful legitimate thought

(also free will is an illusion)

>>730280613
see >>730278728

>>730280578
oh noes cause now god give a fuck.
the question was does god exist? i said yes and as i said before it makes no sense to expect a god or any celectial being to be in physical realm or dimension. idk why i have to keep this stupid conversation. if you don't understand/care it's your problem.

>>730279969
weak argument
If he is separate to everything else, what can he influence? If nothing, why is he such a big deal?

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>>730275747
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>>730277137
Thank you, much appreciated.

>>730278103
To an extent, I actually agree with you about the destructive side of religious practice. But I think you are confusing uncertainty with unprovablity. I am certain in my spirituality based on my experiences. I cannot prove a divine source for them to you but I have no need to prove anything for myself because I am already certain of their origin.

Religion can be a destructive ideology, so on that I agree with you and I do think it's a challenge faced by the religious community. But if you think about virtually every mentality held by large groups of people has a destructive side. Economics, politics, and social responsibility have all been used for violence and deception. That outcome is inevitable when people realize something can be twisted for their own gain. It's not a flaw in the ideology though, because the benefits of economics or religion outweigh the consequences. If we tossed aside every ideology that has been unjustifiably abused in some way or another we would have no society left. I don't see why religion should be specifically targeted for this when the underlying problem is human nature.

As to your last point, I'm not even really sure what you're getting at. My feelings can also be valid if I attribute them to spirituality, so what is the benefitting of rejecting "my imaginations" when I believe them to be true? It seems foolish to me. And what defines a "superior mode of being?"

To me, the most fulfilling lifestyle is one where I act out of love and try to share God's love with others. To call it a "superior" lifestyle is not appropriate because I'm not going for superiority. I just want to feel happy and like my life is worthwhile, and I do.

>>730280901
>to be in the physical realm
is the same as
>to be
It's the definition of what it means to exist.

>>730273010
Atheists btfo

>>730273609
I'm really sorry

>>730280951
>I cannot prove a divine source for them to you but I have no need to prove anything for myself because I am already certain of their origin
That's fine if you got there logically. I make no demands of proof from you. But that sort of thing looks exactly like an unjustified dogmatic belief.

>>730280951
>second paragraph
that's fair enough but without a rational basis they can't improve, well or, quickly, or perhaps at all, except for the influence of outside rational thought. And that's the main issue for me.

>>730273010
Even Descartes doesn't believe that…are you serious?

>>730280951
>third paragraph
what i'm getting at is that you're imaginations are just as good if you call them what they are. you don't have to think that they're objectively real things in order to benefit from them. then they become more flexible and more appealing. don't know how to explain it any better

>>730280824
I didn't say God given insights, God given rights. "Divinely revealed" ideas that can't be tested in any way are not useful. The idea of rights wasn't divinely revealed it was backed up by common understanding of how God works, the Christian worldview.

Free will is an illusion but it's the only illusion, it's everything you are. You are a decision making machine and your only responsibility is to make the right decisions. To exercise your will freely.

>>730272317
Nah, theres a jean shorts thread. Im all over that. Not your faggot ass. Sage.

>>730281022
are you serious? i don't understand how you are thinking this shit.
it exists in another dimension that YOUUUUUU can't comprehend.

>>730281421
sorry my mistake.
we don't need got to assert the notions of rights however. they can be asserted by a collective and must be maintained by might in either case.

>>730281421
also dont get me wrong i love me some illusory free will, don't know what i'd do without it.

>>730274964
well yeah, but the scientist just went through several years of college and huge sums of money and it is ALSO his job, so there's no real argument there

>>730281455
I understand perfectly, I used to make that argument myself. But unless there is a mental picture to associate with what you're saying, you're not really _saying_ anything. And with 'other dimensions' that's necessarily the case.

>>730280481
Don't get me wrong, freedom of belief is cool in my book. But it is nothing more than a belief.

>>730280621
Not at all denying all the good stuff religion gave. On the contrary usually - religion hate is all cool and rad these days. Free will is not really proven beyond doubt. And God given rights are a very social thing, not natural.

>>730272317
>I can logically prove God's existence

No you can't

>>730281760
ok ok you need mental image ok ok.
imagine a huuuuuuuuuuuge thick black cock getting inside your tight asshole. then another one.
now nothing changed cause you were a faggot already. swipe left.

>>730281834
so science is a belief

>>730282062
>ass is tight
>two black cocks
>nothing changed
nope, my asshole is now wide. checkmate.

>>730280951
Anon, bringing the hammer of being a content and harmless human being. Long life to you!

>>730282165
no it's not cause god made it tight again.
boom god proven.
thanks faggot.

>>730281522
>must be maintained by might
People love to claim the only way to maintain any social constructs is through force but mostly that's just victim/oppressor class struggle propaganda. Usually these social constructs are not primarily maintained by might like people claim, they are maintained by people voluntarily adhering to them because their thinking is formed by the shared worldview. Christianity is the most successful such worldview because it's based on following Christ, the nature of reality incarnate in a man.

>>730282137
Science is an adaptable schema that attempts to describe things in a way that accounts for all apparent facts, and not a statement about what they actually (objectively) are (which is impossible for anything). =/= belief.

>>730282413
so science is a belief.

>>730282238
I'm the anon arguing with him, and I agree with you.

>>730282488
no

>We cannot be imagining something that is greater than God.

What about supergod?

>>730282324
k

>>730282529
so science is a belief?

>>730282392
Maybe you're right. I'd just say that the collusion of wills (agreement) is basically an expression of might. And that only the threat of force implied in a change _really_ holds it in tact.
And in my opinion Christianity has survived because of fear.

>>730282137
In the sense that if I will do something that has already been described and its result predicted by science and I BELIEVE the result will be the same as science described and predicted, yes, it's a belief.

Yeah we can imagine something greater than god, its called True AI

>>730282810
THE HUMANIST GOD WILL BE CREATED

>>730282876
And he shall be named Guk.

>>730282769
so all scientific theories are a belief.

>>730273010
pizzas>god
defeated

>>730282937
no

i'm an agnostic so i feel like i could speak evenly on this, i believe that people who think a god exists are the same people that need a greater power to dictate whether they are good or bad and showing what they should do from day to day. On the contrary, i believe that atheists are not open minded and don't look at the whole story of Christianity considering i think in every belief there are fatal flaws that show through. In the end i think both belief are flawed in their own ways but i don't think it really matters as long as you don't fucking shove your religion or lack there of in MY FUCKING FACE LIKE YOUR DIRTY DICKBEATER

>>730282937
lol you.
the theory is not a belief.
One believes that the application of the theory will _work_ when they act on it.

>>730282490
Sorry, I didn't mean the hammer part as to flame any argument or put you down or anything.

>>730283113
>the theory is not a belief.
>One believes that

so science is a belief?

>>730283234
try reading and following the arguments.

>>730283234
no

>>730283075
#notallatheists

>>730283301
>try reading and following the arguments.

so science is a belief!

>>730283373
k

>>730283373
no

>>730283358
#notmyagnostic

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>>730283425
prove it

>>730283118
Acknowledged and appreciated, senor. Was only attempting to affirm the positivity.

>>730282937
I believe science descibes the universe best, yes.

I also believe you've been out-argumented and are playing a bit dumb. That's cool, bro. Whatever makes you feel better.

>>730283528
you're making the claim religitard. burden of proof is on you

>>730283528
Prove what?

Ok I have a real question, why do all of these believer vs non believer threads have that girl from the never ending story??

>>730283909
that science is a blief, fgt.

>>730283656
if you believe its a belief.
i haven't heard an argument to counter so i bait you smartasses for one. still waiting.
>>730283694
i am not!
>>730283909
prove that!

>>730283561
Damn, 4chan being civil. A day to remember when faith in humanity is shook. Long life to you, too!

>>730284052
And a pleasant one to you.

>>730284052
>>730284259
now go suck each others dicks faggots

>>730284052
>>730284259
what is this a circlejerk? I pitch

>>730284044
prove it

>>730284326
>>730284333
You guys can have pleasant lives and suck each others dicks, too.

>>730284044
prove it

>>730284382
>>730284448
science is a belief

sign. stephen hawking

>>730284034
>>730284044
I'm still not sure what I'm supposed to prove. That science has good predictions about some (not all, ofc) of the universe?

Thank god For Mortality

>>730284785
>there is such a thing as science
>there is such a thing as a belief
what is the basis for saying that these are the same, or that one is contained in the other?

>>730284785
>science has good predictions
makes it a belief

>>730284994
no

>>730285231
it does so

>>730285282
nuh uh>>730282413

>>730284968
>what is the basis for saying that these are the same, or that one is contained in the other?
Repeatable proof.
>>730284994
>makes it a belief
A belief with repeatable proof.

C'mon, guys. Really?

>>730285520
>repeatable proof
'Evidence'? You can't use evidence to win an abstract argument.

>>730285520
>>730285748
To clarify. You can say "I believe that if I let go the ball it fall to the ground, because science." But that doesn't make science itself a belief system.

>>730285520
repeatable proof?
when?
water boils at 100C and i don't give a fuck when i make tea. it's a belief.

>>730273901
What are you 10? God doesn't exist and it's a fact.

>>730286043
PROVE IT

>>730286095
You prove it

>>730286254
if my post ends in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 god exists

>>730286372
if my post ends in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 god doesn't exist

>>730286372
holy shit i didn't expect it to work.

>>730286422
too bad you got doubles

>>730286527
>>730286372
That's it boys, threads over. We're done here.

>>730286527
The last number is still 0-9 dumbass

>>730286641
doubles count as doubles. L24chan

>>730286600
prove it

>>730286910
k

>>730286736
The last number was still 2