Hey /b/ So I've had this idea for a book forever now. I've

>>730127520
Never go that route. Just learn how to write. I'm telling you, it's going to work like you think. Trust me, with any creative process, stick to doing shit yourself. Society's not going to embrace ghosts just yet. Nobody would take you seriously.

>>730127664
That's what I figured. I'd rather not have someone else involved, I just dont know what I'm doing.

>>730127520
Learn how to write. I wrote a novel that got published, and I swear everybody and his brother will come up to me with, "I've got the great American novel in my head. I just need someone to write it for me." lol Don't be that guy.

It's like those faggots: "I'd be a great musician. I hear the greatest music in my head."

I can really imagine fucking a girl. I wonder if I should pay someone to fuck one for me.

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>>730128159
You two obviously can't fucking read. I made it pretty clear that I would rather do this myself. I am here asking where to get started? Are there good places on the internet to learn to write well? Contribute something instead of being a fucking tool.

>>730127731
Just start writing. Read books on writing. Read a lot. Learn which authors you admire. Emulate them. I have an MFA in creative writing, so you could go that route.

>>730128327
You write clearly. You're there. The problem with Internet fora is you'll be dealing with a lot of people who don't know what they're talking about. What kind of books and authors do you like?

>>730128505
Honestly, I haven't read much in years. I spent the last 3 years in the military and was busy with other shit. This idea came to me through a badass dream and I've been working on making it a real thing ever since. I do like books like The Odyssey, The Aenied and The Iliad though. Things with lots of adventure I guess.

If you aren't writing you should be researching. Sometimes the book will write itself if you have enough matter to write about. I'm currently reading through some extremely dry analysis of pre-socratic philosophers (if you thought 4chan was autistic wait till you hear about the controversies in pre-soc, which essentially consists of X reportedly wrote Y, but was actually a forgery by Z, which still tells you nothing about what actually was going on) but the good news is I tend to daydream a lot when I'm working, so it's a way to trigger my creative aspect.

>>730128833
Chek'd

I think a have a good amount of material to work with. My main problem is being detailed, transitioning from scenes, ect. Mostly those small things that make a big difference if that makes any sense.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0312010443/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_025-yb3AYWK52

>>730129093
That looks promising anon. Have you read this, or did you just find it on amazon?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0205616887/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_C45-ybSGJA5JT

>>730127520
Well tell /b a little about your 'story'. /b just may be able to help you with this.

Oh, and tits would be customary, and 4 tits would be the minimum.

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>>730129349
I'd really like to, but I am kinda worried about this idea getting stolen. I've searched and searched and I think this will be the first time someone has done something like this.

Actually, the thing that put it together for me was studying different novel structures. I think there's a Jungian four-fold division of the hero narrative. I read one by E.M. Forster. Hemmingway wrote about writing. Maybe look up your favorite authors and find out what they said. Figure if there's a genre you would fit right into, and then look up the different formulas for that genre. Read some more adventure, maybe classics like Edgar Rice Burroughs, Jack London, Jules Verne... But studying novel structures is what kind of put it all together for me, like I saw what needed to be done, but then I already had the techniques, like alternating between scene and summary, dialog, and descriptive writing, pretty well developed.

>>730129034

You can literally just do time skips. It's way easier to write in retrospect a paragraph that explains what happened, than to actually write what happened. Just don't have the MC pass out every other chapter. That shit gets stale.

>>730129736
Yeah I read about that somewhere. I have it set up so far to where that only happens once I believe.

Also, look up "passive voice" and don't use it. First contact with an editor will feature avoiding that, plus avoiding adjectives.

Each time you use an adjective, you miss an opportunity for actual descriptive writing, and each passive voice strips the writing of vitality.

>>730129729
That seems like the best route for me to take. If it helps at all the story is set in a Zombie apocalypse in modern times. (No it does not have the same story as every other zombie book/movie. I made sure of that.)

>>730129894
>>730130004
I see, I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.

Ah, here's all you need to know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey#/media/File:Heroesjourney.svg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey

>>730127520
Getthelube.com

>>730130196
>>730130226
This is interesting to me. In my story the MC does go through a transformation but that shit happens at the beginning. He does go deeper into his madness as the book goes on though.

>>730130475
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nekyia

Some people outline. I just think about it, and the whole outline pops into my head, so there's no need to make a formal outline. It writes itself once you know where you're going.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots

Character-driven stories sell best!

Thanks everyone for the input. I'll look into all these resources you guys gave me.

>>730127520
best novel writing software for free http://www.spacejock.com/yWriter5.html

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>>730131391
>http://www.spacejock.com/yWriter5.html
I like this one

A big part of learning to be a good writer is pushing through being a shit writer. So a lot of practice. Read a lot. Play around with your writing style until you find something youre comfortable with.

>>730131873
Yeah I feel that push is whats driving me away. Just need to accept the fact that it will suck until it gets better.

>>730129536
> I've searched and searched and I think this will be the first time someone has done something like this.

I seriously doubt it.

share at least part of your idea or /thread.

>>730127520
I'm currently writing a game universe.

I just started a wikia one day and kept expanding the wikia with my thoughts, it's getting pretty big now.

>>730127520
I'll write it, you get the publisher. I want 20% of all sales.

>>730132362
Also,
it would be a weekend project for me. I write fast, but I'll probably only be able to do 10 pages a week. No up front charges, it's a hobby for me.

>>730132126
Alright I hope this doesn't backfire. I will be very vague because I really don't need someone stealing this.

>2016
>Virus turns most of Earth's Humans into super fast and deadly, but incredibly dumb zombies.
>Those who still live band together in settlements (Usually reinforced towns with walls and shit)
>I won't say how but one zombie becomes self aware again
>He is still infected but he can think and speak like he did when he was alive.
>He goes back to his old settlement to find his wife
>Bitch remarried because she thought he was gone
>The rejection of his fellow humans drives him into madness
>Superatural shit happens
>He can now command the dead
>Goes to war with humans

>>730132748
it's >>730132362
>>730132572

again. I could write that whole story in about 450 pages (sounds similar to the 5th wave, I was a ghost writer for that book.)

Could possibly follow it up with a second novel if the story is interesting enough. Let me know if you'd be willing to accept my help.

>>730132938
I have had ideas for sequels as well. I wouldn't mind the help, I just don't know how everything works when it comes to the legal stuff. Like I said, I do not want to get robbed. I'm not even worried about the money so much, I just want this shit to exist. Maybe it could even be a movie some day.

>>730132938
If you wanna give me your email or something I'd be willing to talk with you though.

>>730132938
You still here man?

There are two pieces of advice I offer all my students to build their foundations:

1) Write a lot. A LOT. Everyday. Just practice stringing words and sentences together and you'll pick up enough to create a coherent paragraph you can be proud of.

2) READ. Collect vigorous vocabulary from authors better than you. There is a word for everything, and if there isn't, that's where you display your literary skills and develop poetry,

>>730134426
Thanks for the input man, will do.

>>730127520
I'm a nonfiction ghostwriter, and while I'd argue that my rates are affordable for what you get, yeah, having me write your entire book for you is going to cost you at least a couple grand. Want my actual, real-world advice? Just record yourself explaining the story, point by point, and then have someone transcribe it for you. It will be a shitty first draft, but it's a good start at a fraction of the cost. You can probably get someone to do that on Fiverr for less than $50.

>>730135947
Now would that be 2g upfront?

>>730136181
It depends on the project. A longer book costs more, as does a book where all I have to work with is an outline. I ALWAYS insist on a 50% retainer on any book-length project, because even people at the corporate level can flake about seeing a book project through to the end.

>>730132748
>virus
>earth
>humans
>zombies
>"fallout-esque" ghouls
>supernatural
>commanding dead
>war with humans

What part of ANY of these things is unique or interesting.

Tell me, what is your IQ? it's certainly below average, probably low 60's.

Go post this on /int/ so they can fucking laugh at you.

Nobody would watch this as a 10 minute youtube video, let alone a movie, let alone read a book about it.

>>730132748
>I won't say how but
trust me, with a weak as fuck plot like this, I'm not sure anyone CARES.

>>730136614
>Being this autistic

I clearly stated that I was going to be super vague about the story. There is so much shit I didn't include and that's what makes the story different from your average "World War Z" type of shit. Please, name the movie/book where a zombie gains his self-awareness and uses it to gain supernatural abilities. You are assuming that this will be some cliche story based off a very diluted version of the plot. Who is the real dumbass here?

>>730137031
see>>730137183

>>730128505
>fora
pretentious much?

>>730128746
you sound very plebeian, but oh well. good luck

>>730136614
I take it you've never read any of the actual, published books that make up the Star Wars EU. I'm not keen on the story, either, but plenty of books have been written with worse ideas behind them. There's plenty of room in the market for another reverse zombie story with a revenge twist. Would it be a hit? Probably not, but most books aren't. Don't be an asshole just because you don't like a vague pitch for a story that hasn't even been written yet. It's not only rude, but it also makes you look very small.

>>730128370
MA Creative Writing student here, can confirm this is the best advice - can't be bothered to look through the thread to see what others have posted, but this is good advice to go on.

Writing is a skill, and the only way to improve it is by practicing. Learn by reading, find what genres you like, what writers you like, and then look at why you like it - is it their writing style? Or their stories? Or their development of character? Find out what you like about them, and then try to emulate it. I think most writers start out by immitating the style/stories of their favourite writers, until they get good enough/confident enough to develop their own style/voice.

It's like learning an instrument. You only get better by practicing, and the best way to start is by playing songs by your favourite artists. It's the exact same concept.

>>730137183
>Please, name the movie/book where a zombie gains his self-awareness and uses it to gain supernatural abilities

Nobody cares about fucking zombies, zombies are generic and shitty, a zombie gaining his old life is stupid as fuck.

There are others, but you're dumb and obviously haven't read anything in your life so I don't want to invest that effort digging for where it's been done before, but it has.

>are assuming that this will be some cliche story based off a very diluted version of the plot.

with these core points it's very hard to see how you won't be forming a drivel narrative, I'd be incredibly surprised if you actually managed to write it.

go to /int/, post this exact thread, and let them judge.

/b/ is not the place for these types of discussion.

>>730130026
I bet you made zombies the heroes and now you think that's the best idea ever.

read a lot, try to write it- and acknowledge that at first, it will be absolute shit. let people who have done it for longer and better look at it and let them circle out all the weird phrases and loopholes. lastly, don't get defensive when people point it out.

>>730137622
>There are others, but you're dumb and obviously haven't read anything in your life so I don't want to invest that effort digging for where it's been done before, but it has.

>Claims it has been done before
>Doesn't provide even the slightest shred of evidence

Please, go be retarded somewhere else,

>>730127520
An hero summerfag

>>730137808
Been here since '07 friend.

>>730137667
No. They are not the heroes.

>>730137794
I don't need to, it's obvious it's been done before, it's a movie about fucking ZOMBIES.

jesus christ are you 10?

I guess this is /b/ so you must be 10, but still dude, this is sad, the fact you think this is a "good unique idea" is actually pretty depressing.

Go read a book.

>>730132748
Ask yourself this anon: what's the point of your story? What's the theme? What are you trying to say through your characters/the plot/the story? Books can be purely for entertainment, sure, but there should always be a POINT to them - something you're trying to subtly suggest/say to the reader by the events that occur in the story. So far, all I picture with this idea is it's basically an action novel with no real substance. For example:

What's the character arc of your protagonist? This zombie that becomes self-aware - what/how does he change at the end of the novel? What new insights into himself, or humanity, or something else, does he gain through what he experiences in the novel? Readers want characters who develop and evolve through the story, to see their conflicts (whether internal or external) either beaten or beat them.

It's got potential though, you just need to be aware that there are many elements that go into writing a novel, too many to summarise on here I'm afraid.

>>730137719
>>730137614
Thanks for the input. I do agree this seems to be the best way to get started.

>>730137622

A imposter I'm sure, bereft of any heart, and lacking spark. Go home n00b13

>>730137990
The best way to get started, for sure, is not to ask /b/ how to write your fucking zombie book, and instead start writing your dumb, bad ideas down before either:

1. Giving up completely.
2. Coming back days later to delete everything and iterate.

you haven't even tried, you've already failed.

>>730132126
One thing I know from being in the publishing world is you should not send an MS with a copyright notice on it. Publishers get an avalanche of submissions, and a fair amount of the amateur authors are genuinely disturbed and tend to sue because they imagine something was stolen from them. If the publisher sees someone who has never been published before is copyrighting their works already even though nobody gives a flying fuck, it throws up a major red flag like, woah, this guy may have problems.

>>730132748
This sounds incredibly stupid. It has no literary or artistic value whatsoever. Sounds like it might be ok as an anime or a film where it's just for light entertainment, but as a book the only people who would be interested in it are 13-year-olds.

>>730138095
>n00b13

is this 2004?

>trying to sound like a psuedo-intellectual.

It's not working dude, you're coming across as autistic.

read a book related to what you're writing about and maybe listen to an audio book and get a feel for it and you'll be good to go

>>730132126
Plus, when you write something, you already own copyright on it. You don't have to file a copyright for it. You already have copyright. It's important to register it if you get a deal, but people don't go around stealing books.

>>730138303
That wasn't even me shitlord.

>>730138324
>listen to an audio book.

He'll end up stealing th e ideas and selling them as his own, like every bad derivative author.

please don't teach him to mooch off others effort and creativity.

>>730132748
Nothing to steal if it's all rehash.

>>730137622
Why would he post it on /int/? Surely /lit/ is a better place. /int/ just doesn't make sense, /int/ is international

Whatever you do, don't listen to the assholes on this thread who are shouting down the idea. Some woman turned her badly written Twilight fanfic into a best-selling book series that's spawned a couple of movies. The basic plot had been done before, and better, many times. She's a millionaire -- even though she is an objectively awful writer -- because she actually wrote a book. Odds are your book won't do that, but if it's important to you, do it anyways. Then make sure your next book is better.

Ok I'll just post everything give me a few to write it out.

Oh yeah your idea sounds like "In the Flesh", which was a BBC 3 series back in 2013.

>>730138230
Mostly it just makes you look like a dweeb, because the author already has the copyright on anything they've written.

>>730138557
oh sorry, i meant /lit/.

Forgive me I'm not putting too much effort into this thread; still more effort than OP put into this idea, though.

OP literally said he looked around at zombie movies to find a "niche" that hasn't been filled yet.

what a fucking retard, lul.

>>730136181
Don't listen to this guy trying to scam you. Record it and pay someone to transcribe it? Just type it yourself, dipshit.

>>730138723
can't wait to show it to /lit/.

This is your make or break moment, probably the breaking part.

>>730137431
It's the plural, faggot. Modern-human much?

>>730138233
Why is that not a legitimate reason for writing it? Some of the most in-demand media -- and the biggest paydays -- are for things aimed at 13-year-old kids. I got news for you: Most successful books aren't written with literary or artistic value in mind. At all. It's just a matter of finding a niche -- zombies are hot now, so let's write some zombie books -- and filling it until the trend changes.

>>730138519
1. He already has a story so if anything he'd just be mooching off of their writing stye.
2. Everything creative ever is built upon at least one other idea; Einstein didn't just sit there and one day randomly be like "oh yeah relativity even though I've never studied science in my life this makes sense I shall science now"

>>730138574
It really is about how it's done. If you draw great characters and so forth, there could still be a great book written from a really derivative idea.

>>730138860
Who is trying to scam anyone? I've written maybe 30 books for corporate execs, and this is the workflow I use to get those books finished. Plenty of people freeze up when they "write" but can ramble on for hours when just talking. OP has trouble with the writing part, so this is a fix I use with my actual, paying clients. It's also how a ton of novelists work with their ghostwriters. Grow up.

>>730139107
>He already has a story so if anything he'd just be mooching off of their writing stye.

>story
>idea in head

these aren't the same, you'd need to be <16 to think that these two things are the same.

>>730138723
Going back to how this one zombie regains self awareness.

>There is a man who was a highly successful scientist before the infection who lives alone in his old lab
>He lost everything to the infection, everyone he loves is either dead or one of them.
>His only goal in life is to find a cure (Yes I know it still sounds typical just fucking wait)
> He has learned how to hunt them in the forests (Story takes place in Colorado)
>He can mask his scent, stalk them, all that jazz.
>He tranqs. the zombies and brings them back to his lab to run tests (Kinda like Will Smith in I am Legend)
>After many failures he comes up with a new formula that attacks the virus slowly and systematically in the brain instead of rushing it
>He goes and captures another one and gives it the new shit
>Zombie-man wakes up still a zombie but he can speak and is self-aware
>There is a lot of dialogue here obviously between the two but Zombie man (His name is John) begs to be released to go find his wife
>Dude wont let him leave until he fixes him but John escapes
>He sprints for miles (demonstrating his augmented abilities) until he reaches his old settlement
>When he arrives he is faced with gunfire until the guards realize the zombie is talking to them

Cont'

>>730139107
>einstein's theory on relativity
>creative

okay, if you say so.

>>730139466
Name some successful novelists who work with ghost writers.

>>730139659
>There is a man who was a highly successful scientist before the infection who lives alone in his old lab

wow what a unique idea

>He lost everything to the infection, everyone he loves is either dead or one of them.

so fucking unqieue

>His only goal in life is to find a cure

wow totally not walking dead season 1

>He can mask his scent, stalk them, all that jazz.

wow totally not walking dead, season 1.

>After many failures he comes up with a new formula that attacks the virus slowly and systematically in the brain instead of rushing it

love how detailed you're being, slowly AND systematically? wow what a read, deepest lore

>He goes and captures another one and gives it the new shit
>Zombie-man wakes up still a zombie but he can speak and is self-aware.

riveting, wonder what happens next

>There is a lot of dialogue here obviously between the two but Zombie man (His name is John)

wow this is some serious stuff

Please continue dude, don't think the world can wait for this narrative, sure it'll be a bestseller.

>>730139710
Where do you even start? Tom Clancy never wrote anything on his own, just for one example. Anyone whose name has become a brand, and who puts out a book every year or so, is generally working with a ghostwriter. There are exceptions -- I doubt Stephen King has one -- but high-volume writers almost always have a ghostwriter involved in the drafting phase.

>>730140005
The fact that you think this stuff starts with Walking Dead means that OP has won the argument. These ideas were stolen by the Walking Dead from Richard Matheson, but YOU think it's original to something that came along 50 years later. Ignorant and uninformed. It might be time to stop posting.

>>730139659
>The leader of the settlement is called to the gates to see this shit
>Turns out this leader is the one who remarried John's ex-wife so she shows up as well
>He begs to be let in and to have his old life back but the reject him
>Leader dude gives the order to fire after John's ex-wife also gives a tear-filled rejection
>John escapes into the wilderness and makes it to a clearing with a large lake before falling to his knees in despair
>As he does, he sees his own reflection for the first time since he was infected
>He realizes he is a monster destined to spend the rest of his life among the dead
>He falls into a rage which causes the formula used to "cure" him and the virus to collide and cause parts of his brain that don't usually commentate to start doing so. (Similar to how Magic Mushrooms do to us)
>This basically "unlocks" his full potential and he starts to hear voices
>One voice in particular rises above the rest and claims to be Hades (King of the underworld) and convinces him over time to strengthen his new found abilities and fight back against Humanity

>>730140547
>The fact that you think this stuff starts with Walking Dead means that OP has won the argument.

Yeah because I totally think Walking Dead is original and unique.

get your head out of your ass you fucking idiot. nice assumptions and projecting, you couldn't be more wrong.
lmao.

>>730140547
Thank you. I didn't want to explain that myself. You can take any plot and make it sound stupid by just saying "Wow that's soooo original" over and over

>>730140699
are you the same butthurt fag trying to shit on OP for the entire thread? what is wrong with you, you sad cunt

>>730140669
>(Similar to how Magic Mushrooms do to us)

wow man, drugs, that's so cool

>One voice in particular rises above the rest and claims to be Hades (King of the underworld)

Okay OP this bait was pretty good, but it ends here.

>>730140900
OP is like 12 and wants to write a book about zombies in the 21st century, a century wherein even established zombie franchises are chalked with washed up, bad ideas.

Inspiring OP to continue is not wasting everyone elses time, but OP's.

Calling me sad doesn't make me any less right.

>>730127520
anyway OP I'm done shitting on you now because I've made my point.

nice thread.

>>730140699
You're the one citing one of the most derivative series of all time as an example of why the OP isn't "original." No assumptions at all, it's literally what you wrote, being presented back to you as a counterargument. I'm neither wrong or projecting, because those are your words and thoughts. While I find what you have to say kind of predictable, my actual point is that you lost your argument. You cited a very successful thing that is at least as derivative as the OP's story idea. If you're just trolling, keep it up, but if you were trying to make a salient point about the nature of the OP's story, you failed.

>>730140669
>Hades drives John further and further into madness, but also helps him unlock these supernatural abilities I mentioned before
>He has super speed, strength, he cannot feel pain, and the virus-"cure" combo has stopped him from rotting away. He can also use dark powers given to him by this entity to use minor telekinesis.
>Most importantly is his control over the mass army of dead. He has them at his beck and call whenever he wants.
>As he becomes stronger there comes a point where John and Hades disagree more and more on when they should strike
>John, becoming frustrated, challenges Hades and claims he (hades) has done nothing but command him to do as he pleases.
>They have this internal battle (hard to really explain it without going into serious detail) but John eventually banishes the voice of Hades from his mind, causing him to realize the dude never even existed. It was him going fucking insane the entire time.

>>730141188
your original argument might be right and zombies might be done to death but if he's 12 we should push his creativity. doing what he's doing is productive in the long run. you're the one wasting your time, sad sad cunt.

>>730141188
How old should you be to write a book about zombies in the 21st century? No one is saying the OP's idea will be successful -- I personally doubt it will -- but if you want to write a story, you have to start somewhere. If not this story, what story should the OP write? What elements should it borrow from? Why isn't this book idea as good as the tens of thousands of others published every year? Why is it not worth the OP's time to finish it, even if it doesn't turn out to be the next blockbuster?

And, most importantly, why are you so opposed to the OP giving it a shot? He's not asking you for anything. He just wanted to know if a ghostwriter could help him finish it.

>>730133789
I'm back. Give me an email and we'll get in touch.

>>730141550
>John decides to accept this insanity into his new life and takes the name Hades for himself.
>He then begins his crusade against humanity
>After getting rekt during his first battle, he understands that he had underestimated the humans (Who have been preparing for a return since he first came to beg for his life back)
>He decides he needs more like himself (generals essentially) but there can never be someone as strong as him
>He learns how old scientist guy created the "cure" and replicates it.
>Gives this "cure" to 3 others but uses his abilities to establish mental blocks in their minds that allow them to be self-aware like him, but they would never gain his supernatural abilities.

>>730127520
Dustin w? Is this you?

>>730142247
I really dont want to get into every skirmish/battle after this but Hades and his 3 generals begin an actual war with humanity. Both sides are heavily armed (Humans with guns, vehicles, explosives you name it. Zombies are self explanatory plus Hade's super powers). The Human settlements band together to fight Hades and his army and shit gets real for the rest of the book. Not giving away the ending, but there is a little more detailed plot for you. I've watched some of you argue as i've been typing and just to make it clear:

>I do not expect this to be a huge hit and I don't care.
>I am not stealing this from somewhere else. yes, ideas are borrowed from other good works but that happens with anything. This was literally I dream I had with some extra shit thrown in.

>It would be nice to make some money of this, but I'm not trying to get rich. I just think its a new twist on zombie stories.

>>730142172
Yeah man let me make a new email so I don't have to put my usual one on /b/.

>>730142002
>What elements should it borrow from?

Nothing. Borrowing from any established universe (even universes you don't know about) doesn't make your ideas original.

You may think you have original ideas, but as soon as you start to read you'll realize that most ideas are recycled over and over and over from the same sources, or derivatives of those sources, the weakest forms of narrative are derived from thinking like movies, stronger narratives can be derived from books, but the best books aren't based on anything but raw emotion, real world experiences and the way the author communicates.

You shouldn't "borrow" from anything.

>Why isn't this book idea as good as the tens of thousands of others published every year?

it's about a zombie named john which is clearly bait, and then on top of that John is in contact with hades, if anyone is dumb here it's you fucking idiots that think OP is being serious in the first place.

>could help him finish it.

OP hasn't started, and he never will. This whole thread was rigged from the start.

>>730132748
Lots of haters, Hemingway literally wrote a book about fishing for 100 pages and it was his best work.

>>730142611
Nope

>>730143001
Wow, you have no idea how writing works on a professional level.

>>730143001
Lmao this dude really thinks I have some sort of conspiracy going on

>It was rigged from the start

Jesus bro, take off the tinfoil hat.

>>730142172
[email protected]

Just made it

>>730143336
>>730143280

I mean, it's great bait, i'll give you that.

>>730137622
Dude you are the idiot, the best writers write about mundane shut and turn it into art. Hemingway wrote about fucking fishing, bukowsky wrote about horse races and the fucking post office, THE FUCKING POST OFFICE, both turned that boring shit into great stories.

>>730143001
>In contact with Hades

Confirmed for not reading the entire thing I just typed out.

>>730143669
I don't want to read it, I glimpsed over at your autistic green text and it started to sound like god of war.

This is autism or bait at this point.

>>730143602
>Everyone look at me. I'm different because I troll threads where other people are trying to have conversations.

>>730143628
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT ART, YOU DUNCE!

He's writing a fucking zombie story. He's not trying to be Hemingway. You're projecting so very hard, and for no reason. All the dude wants is help getting his story idea out there, and you're making it into an indictment, even thought YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOK YET.

Grow up or fuck off.

>>730143831
>Claims work is shit and autistic
>"I don't want to read it"
>"I glimpsed over it"

b8/10

>>730127731

Successful writer here. More than you would believe. But never mind that.

He's wrong. Writing is long, laborious and it's near impossible to judge it yourself. Furthermore, you can't expect friends to read it and give you an honest opinion.

At some point in the process you will need to get at the very least an editor involved.

If writing isn't your thing, and heck, there's no shame in admitting that, then by all means get someone who finds it easy to throw words together to do the heavy lifting for you.

That's what Trump did. That's what every book you see with a celebrity's name on did.

But, you will either have to pay them upfront or cut them into the royalties. Being a no-name, with little chance of high sales, that's going to be upfront. The good news is a publisher can arrange that for you as part of your advance.

But your idea had better be easy to pitch, which I doubt, but good luck anyway.

>>730127520
hire a ghost writer

>>730143628
You know what, fuck it, OP's story is a masterpiece.

Can't wait until I can get my hands on a copy.

Learning to write can be fun OP, there are a lot of resources for it but the best thing to do is just write, your first novels or attempts wont be very good most likely, but everyone has written shit, especially the famous ones, they've written LOADS of shit. Thats how they got good enough to write the good shit.

>>730144065
Thanks for the input

>>730143989
I'm saying he doesn't need a earth shattering idea if the book is well written

>>730143388
gotcha. we'll be in touch. don't mind the trolls, any great work that an author believes will be successful. I'm gonna send you some of the drafts I've done and we'll see if you like them.

>>730144065
Another successful writer here, but one without the need to humblebrag to randos on 4chan about it. But never mind that.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, but you're talking about a WAY, WAY later stage of the process than the OP is at.

>>730144665
Cool, thank you.

>>730144459

Depends whether you want to sell a copy. It's more about placement. I sold a shitload because they were placed by the register before Xmas, and I had one of the world's biggest publishers behind me.

If you're planning to flog it through Amazon, and that's nearly everyone now, that's really fucking tough to get seen through the noise.

Your pitch - on the cover - is more important than what's inside.

OP should really invest in some crayons so he can give some real detail to the zombies he's talking about.

>>730144692

Everything I've written has sold very well, but I wouldn't like to claim too much credit for the success. Going it alone, self publishing, realistically, I doubt I'd pay my own time.

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>>730144777
I would just like to take a moment to check all my gets in this thread. Kek is smiling upon this book.

>>730145137

Despite being a successful writer, I find writing really fucking hard. 99% of my time writing is rewriting.

While I'm happy with the end result, friends who are bread and butter journalists can pump out copy off the top of their heads, and hand it straight to the sub-editor. I can't do that.