Can you please specify the degree to which humans are the cause

>>729759979
THEY DONT ITS A HOAX

>>729759979
Bill used to be cool, now he's just a cog in the wheel of misinformation by the media.

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>>729759979
I'd say maybe 90°
Am i correct

>>729759979
>polar bears running out of ice

>misinformation

haha

>>729759979
I swear to god i hope you people dont exist. The most retarded humans around never stop to amaze me. How far up conspiracy lane do you have to be to believe its a fucking hoax, we have clear fucking evidence that we can wave in front of your eyes and still all you see is a podcast of a guy in his basement telling you "climate change is not real, read between the lines, the Bilderberg group is still a thing, RRRrrreeeeEEEEEeeEE!"

>>729761808
you sound distraught. could it be because no one believes you?

>>729762144
You sound denying, could it be because you are trying to protect your fragile mind from the fact that a romanticized idea about the world is actually bullshit and that you have been mislead this whole time, so now you keep protecting it because you cant handle being wrong.

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>>729759979
I've watched this "debate"

>Asks Bill a question
>Interrupts him after 6 seconds
>Declares victory

Typical fux news, nothing to see here.

>>729762617
see folks how the child comes out so quickly.
come back when you can discuss things like an adult.

>>729759979
What i don't get it. If it such a problem that i keep hearing from talking heads. Why haven't they gone superman and fixed the damn problem. They are more likely to sell a fucking book talking about the "struggles" of trying to prove it on fucking Fox news.

If they are the smartest we have, why have they not designed a machine or a fucking sunlight filter or a Green house gas eater.
No they would rather sit on twitter and moan that "the right" are hurting there feelings. I am sick of all talk no action.

>>729762853
more children have joined the group.

>>729762909
they have, carbon tax. in other words they want to tax the air you breathe.

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>>729759979
>Can you please specify the degree to which humans are the cause of climate change?

They have only been recording human effects on climate for a few decades now so there is no answer. They know we affect it but they don't know how much yet still want to impose on your rights.

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>>729759979

>>729762909
>If it's such a problem why javent they made a machine to fix it

Next level retarded, are you literally retarded? It would cost trillions and still wouldn't work if we just kept polluting.

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>>729762909
>If it such a problem that i keep hearing from talking heads. Why haven't they gone superman and fixed the damn problem.

They are, check out this video of Bill Gates talking about killing big percentages of the population.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc16H3uHKOA

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>>729759979
>>729760112
>>729762144

>>729759979
look at china, the smog seen from space should be a pretty positive indicator of human caused climate change look up how many ppm (parts per million) of carbon there is in the air today compared to just 10 years ago, it's a huge difference, it's also the highest in history to date

>>729762909
there are a myriad of progressive options, however:
>instant perfect solutions do not exist and arent as easy to create as you seem to think.
>options that we have now are OPTIONAL and people dont want to take the time, effort, or cost to implement them (especially the businesses benefiting from other means)
>business giants being the way AND whining "mah jobs!" and other such shit.
>people still choose to live shitty lifestyles.

they cant do it for you, they can only try to find solutions and offer them. and if the people choose to destroy the planet, it should be up to governments to impose whatever regulations they can to prevent that. regardless, there are still dipshits out there saying "its not a problem, and we arent doing anything wrong."

>>729762951
How was that a childish remark? It was incedibly accurate.

>>729762909
The "smartest we have" can only do so much. To fix this would take years for one, would require just about every scientific genius there was, and a stupid fuck trillion of dollars or whatever gay currency you use. A project this big would require a national effort maybe even a global one. How can anyone do that when they are just trying to get stupid people to understand what's happening?

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I won't deny global warming. Hell I wouldn't even deny we're the cause of it. BUT What I WILL deny is that we have the power to do anything about it and I WILL deny that the human race will be the end of the earth. Compared to the age of the earth, humans have only been here for a blip. We're gonna be here today and gone tomorrow like may flies. Also don't look towards the US to be the front runner on saving the environment. We're the most pro-war nation in the world. We're too busy bombing the shit out of other nations to care about saving the environment. Anyone who thinks we can save the environment is a fucking retard. That is all.

>>729759979
Nobody's arguing that climate change isn't happening, but the idea that we as humans are responsible is preposterous.

>>729762909
It's already far, far too late. The damage is done, and we are fucked. Like a guy sitting in his garage with the engine running but insisting everything is fine. Yes humanity is that stupid.

>>729763342
>wants to slow overpopulation
>check out how Bill Gates wants to kill everyone
This is why American will never move forward. Some of the most dishonest retards on the planet.

Go frrak out about evolution being taught in schools, or how vaccinations have your kids autism.

>>729763455
That statement is beyond preposterous. You sound like an educated idiot - by far the most dangerous. Please never breed.

>>729763342
>>taking 3 minutes of footage from a 27 minute long talk
https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates

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>>729763570
>This is why American will never move forward.

ENGLISH MOTHAFUCKA, DO YOU SPEAK IT?

>>729763455
You are very mistaken. I'm surrounded by people who believe it's a scam. Texan here.

>>729763453
the earth wont "end" but it could become just another space rock or possibly go through a huge extinction/reset. honestly its less about the earth and more about life in general and more specifically human life.

>>729763079
That's not a fix.
They claim to be the smartest. Yet they do fuck all to help.
Put it this way if a kid can make a nuke reactor is his backyard(it's true look it up) i am sure the eggheads could fix this shit in 5 mints.
>>729763268
>It would cost trillions
If the world is at the brink why would you be fretting about money? like i said these are people who make nukes in the back yard sheds.
>>729763418
>they cant do it for you
So why should i bother listing to them then if they can't do it?
>>729763435
>can only do so much
These are the guys who talk big but are all bark. They are happy to take the money for the book deals about it. If that does not scream fucking hack, somethings wrong.

>>729762884
You sound like the guy in the basement.

>>729761808
>we have clear fucking evidence

No, there's just claims and counter claims, experts are all divided.

>>729763695
Progress. Not that moving forward is not correct.

What a nigger.

>>729759979
TUCKED
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C
K
E
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Glorious :^)

>>729763342
how the hell do you get,
>"Bill talking about killing big percentages of the population"
out of that?

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>>729763455
>Hurr volcanoes emit carbon in the atmosphere so humans can put as much as they want and it's fine

When retards pretend to know science.

>>729759979
Negative and Positive feedback loops, melting "permafrost", deforestation, ozone forming at or near surface level rather than way up high thanks to CFCs, chemistry, not being able to tell the difference between global warming and climate change, the ease at which burning coal can provide power and the ratio of power obtained versus other methods, the burning of natural gas before anyone knew you could use it to make energy, the continued burning of natural gas even though you can use it to make energy, methane in the atmosphere, weather patterns being screwed up by the amount of ice being added to the hydrosphere thanks to changing temperatures, the rising ocean level increasing the amount of dark ocean that can absorb more sunlight and get more hot in the process, people wondering how come there are more hurricanes, droughts, floods and the like in spite of how wind works and how hot oceans might make more wind.

There's a lot, but climate change today is mostly a human factor. You can't tell me acid rain doesn't exist, because that's a byproduct of one of the steps that leads to climate change. It's one of the primary reason smokestacks were built to be extremely tall, so the acid rain didn't fuck everyone nearby over. It'll just fuck someone else somewhere else, over.

But, people don't even understand science anymore, and treat it as a body of thought instead of a method of discovery. It's all a mess. Soon, most of us who survive will stand with the newfags as we live in a world that'll be hot, orange, and thick.

>>729763757
>So why should i bother listing to them then if they can't do it?
you are a petulant child and deserve to be dragged out onto the street and shot for being a degenerate drain on society. if you genuinely hold to your statement, that is what you deserve.

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The earth is 7 billion years old. That's the equivalent of 93,333,333 lifetimes (if you live to be 75). So it's been here 93 MILLION lifetimes, to put it into perspective for the retards. Since people can't grasp the concept of a million lifetimes, just multiply retarded times 93. Ok now we are getting somewhere.

So, we think that we are SOOOO dangerous as a species, that in the last 50 years of the past 7,000,000,000 years, we have doomed ourselves and the future of the planet.

GET. THE. FUCK. OUT. NORMIES.

>MFW when you jackasses are still alive in 60 years.
>MFW you niggers are gonna be ok without having to "save the planet"

>>729763453
>being this edgy
we can do something about it, it is just going to take a long time to reverse the things we've done, for instance we have to completly abandon fossile fuels and move toward clean energy, china has already this year invested 2.1 trillion in clean energy and in 2020 will more than likely surpass the US in energy output, btw in order to stay on top you have to keep everyone below you... that just how it works, if we stopped involving ourselves overseas we would be obsolete in a matter of decades but that's just history...

>>729763409
pollution =/= climate change

you fucking retard

>>729763757
Literally a retard. Some problems are serious problems that require nations. If problems are so easy, go did the middle East single handedly, which wouldnbe much easier and cheaper than global warming.

>>729763992
>yfw the planet goes to shit
>yfw we have the power to wipe out over 90% of all the biota on the planet, let alone kill society and leave the planet intact

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Solar flares can do much more harm than humans could ever on our atmosphere. This is just a way for elitists to impose laws on humans but not themselves.

You guys think these rich fucks will practice what they preach?

Nope they will still fly around the world everyday in their airplanes fucking up our atmosphere even more.

>>729763840
agreed, it's just that liberals will swallow any bullshit as long as you have fake graphs and cooked books to back it up

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>>729764069
>mfw you have no fucking idea what you're talking about

>>729763647
Human interaction could be coincidental on the time line. For all we know, all this climate change is because we're going through a pole shift.
correlation does not equal causation.

It's actually very poor science to state automatically that humans are the cause because it correlates in time.

There is no test set.

(I'm not saying I don't believe the whole thing but I can doubt, for science's sake).

>>729763776
>government-paid scientists

This where the bias comes in, they need to agree with the false narrative of man made climate change to keep their cosy jobs

>>729764015
More carbon in the atmosphere actually does = climate change

you fucking retard

>>729763455
/thread

the fucking ego of the general population is insane. that's the real problem. people honestly think we're powerful enough to have any real impact on the fucking GLOBAL climate

>>729763840
95 percent of scientist agree that we are at least partially responsible for global warming. Fuck yourself and Google some facts.

>>729764073
Chlorine atoms breaking up the ozone in the upper atmosphere is why a solar flare can do much more harm these days. Being angry that you're being told to be "green", and not being "green", is how you get other people to be angry about you not being "green". So then, nobody is green. So then everyone loses.

>>729763947
Why? They are the smartest we have. I certainly don't claim to be smarter than them. All bark no bite like all celebrity's now.
>>729764057
But they claim to be the smartest they know better than others. If they don't want to be the best most celebrated hero on this earth. I see that as bad thing. But you know they are more than happy to take the money for talking about it. i am just saying it's time to stop talking and fucking do something. No fairer argument than that.

>>729764147
>mfw this is the only response

>>729764231
Simon says show your tits.

>>729763455
This. Everyone knows anthropomorphic climate change is a hoax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q

>>729764276
I don't got tiddies.

>>729763992
>being this oblivious to time, society, general living, the coasts, exponential growth of the problem
>ignoring the future of even 5-10 generations later because "it wont be my problem, lol"
macro timeline only makes you right when you dont give a shit about life in general or specifically human life. otherwise, you're a selfish dipshit.

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>>729764231
>So then everyone loses.
How do you know everyone loses? You don't, stop acting like a retarded niggerfaggot.

>>729759979

It's bullshit. Man isn't causing the fucking climate to change. If you study the people who are pimping that theory, you will quickly discover that a lot of the "climate scientists" are paid shills who doctor the data to fit the narrative of the elites who promote this nonsense. Look at some of the raw data, the climate is constantly changing throughout history. It's cyclical, and we are in one extreme phase of the cycle.

>>729763992
the point isn't the earth is going to die this year. the point is that if we don't change to something more sustainable then were going to use all our fuel and change the climate in the process.

>>729764179
Good thing some 94% of that carbon dioxide comes from decaying plants and animals.
Ya know. The old-growth forests and native fauna that have been on the planet for the millions of years preceding homo habilis.

>>729764284
This. Solar-cycle driven climate change, however, is real.

>>729763992
because heavy industrialisation was all the rage during trogg cavejohnson's time

>>729759979
too much Buddha = too much fire = too hot for little faggots

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>>729763752
Not really. This isn't the first time the earth has gone through catastrophic global warming or cooling. Most of that happened before humans were even around. We couldn't possibly turn the earth into "just another space rock" The earth's surface is made up of 70% water. That is all you need to promote life. Even if you chop down all the trees. the world will just make new ones. Just ask the alligators that have been here longer than trees according to science.

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>>729764264
>mfw it's lunchtime and i don't care. I'm hungry RIGHT NOW. Fuck the planet.

>>729764194
>95 percent of scientist agree that we are at least partially responsible for global warming. Fuck yourself and Google some facts.
Source, please.

>>729764264
Maybe try Google instead of a shitposting board of you are looking for actual information.

>>729764179
carbon is a very insignificant greenhouse gas. fucking water is many times worse as a greenhouse gas than carbon. read a fucking book instead of just regurgitating random shit you hear other people say, dumbass.

>>729759979
Human beings contribute around 4% of the total CO2 that's currently in the environment. Given the fact that solar and volcanic activity has either tapered off or remained consistent, scientists believe that the extraordinary spike in warming (~10 times the average rate of warming after a cooling period) must be largely caused by anthropogenic activity.

Now, of course the planet's climate has been fluctuating for millions of years, and there has been unusual spikes of warming in the past (due to huge volcanic explosions), but that doesn't mean there's nothing to be concerned about. The fact is, the large spikes in warming have been very destructive and caused mass extinctions.

If you're ever wondering why the vast majority of Republicans are either skeptics of deniers, just follow the money.
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?cycle=2016&ind=E01

Unfortunately, these things are nearly impossible to prove with 100% certainty, and so sometimes we have to settle on " beyond a reasonable doubt". And make no mistake, the VAST majority of scientists in the relevant fields believe that it's a major concern -- personally, I'd rather put my faith in people who actually study these things for a living, rather than politicians, lobbyists and bloggers.

>>729764263
No one claims to be "the smartest we have," they just claim to know what we have to do, collectively, as a species, because there are in depth observational studies that prove so.

Stop trolling these poor nerds, they don't know any better.

>>729764387

And yet the climate was even more extreme than it is now in prehistory. Not one car on the road brah.

>>729764192
This.

>>729764194
>95% of shill scientists working for government departments whose existence is based on the belief that man made climate change is real all agree that man made climate change is real

kek

>>729764263
You're right, you're not smarter than them.

Because you seem to think that magic exists, and everything can be fixed in a whim and is not steeped in several independent scenarios all giving life to tangents of their own.

Ever wonder why we don't just go to the moon? It's because the majority of the people who got us there are dead, and they never really wrote any of that stuff down. Just because we've gone there, and think we know how to get there, doesn't mean we'll just magically get there. It takes engineering. It takes extreme precaution, and precision. It takes trained individuals. It takes money. It takes the authority giving it the green light for it to even exist.

And even then, something can go wrong.

It's not fucking magic, you basic cunt.

>>729764194
>source
>my ass

lol

>>729764334
You're fucking retarded if you think this way. Good luck assimilating into society and getting a long term job and family. Not 2 faggots living together, but a man and a woman, with normal children. You're gay and your shit's retarded.

>>729764441
This.
Energy envelope of CO2 is casual shitter tier compared to hydrogen, let alone oxygen.

>>729764424
If you want tinknow something, ask Google with .gav sites. Asking for info on /b/ just proves you are a retard. That's like if I asked for a source that proves climate change is a scam. I would ask a scientist, not a faggot.

>>729759979

"Climate Change" isn't a hoax. It's very much a fact, our climate has changed throughout the history of the planet. Man-made climate change to the degree that these government-paid scientists promote is bullshit. Can man impact the world around him? Absolutely. As the alpha species on Earth, it's only natural that we have some kind of impact on our environment, and you see that in the rate that some species are going extinct. We've absolutely had an impact on our planet to a degree. Are we causing our planet to enter some sort of out of control death spiral where we are going to be Venus in a couple of decades? No. The reality is, we are at the mercy of the Sun and the effect it has on our planet. It's not unprecedented, the universe had thrown all kinds of shit at Earth, and while the planet has been fine, the creatures living on it are often fucked by what happens around them. Extinction Level Events are actually shockingly common if you think about it. There are so many things that can and will happen over the course of the history of Earth. We as a species have seen them happen before, and at some point, it's going to happen again. It's just a matter of time.

>>729761808
I completely believe in climate change but Bill didn't do himself any favors by not being able to answer fucking questions and immediately getting flustered and upset during this

>>729764334
>selfish
And? Whats so evil about that? Keep the bible out of it please. What force in this universe stops people from being selfish. Other than you guilting them in to sharing shit. Or by the use of violence.

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>>729759979
The degree that environmentalists are concerned about overpopulation but want unlimited 3rd world immigration

>>729761808
Show the "clear" evidence. And don't give us the shit computer models for 200 years from now unless you also provide a copy of the source code for us to examine

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>>729764194
Nope.

>>729764346
Okay, most people lose.

Because in that scenario I postulate, everyone dies because everyone essentially wants to drink bleach.

>>729764286
dumb wolves just being wolves

>>729764581
>If you want tinknow something, ask Google with .gav sites. Asking for info on /b/ just proves you are a retard. That's like if I asked for a source that proves climate change is a scam. I would ask a scientist, not a faggot.

I'd ask you to drop some weight, because you can't even type properly on your phone with those fucking lincoln-log fingers of yours.

>>729763992
what animals in that 93 million lifetimes conquered the planet and changed the surface? humans have only been on the earth for ~45000 years, have you seen that in the last hundred years more animals have went extinct than in the previous thousand? that was caused by us destroying ecosystems due to our overpopulation, have you ever seen what happens to deer when they are overpopulated and eat all their food? they all die, just like us with water, out of all water on earth 1% of it is drinkable, the math points to extinction sooner rather than later and by sooner i mean within the next 100-1000 years not very many lifetimes left...

>>729762884
>adult
>4chan

>>729764439
>thinking I was looking for information

>>729763153
well doesn't this sound selfish.

Lol I remember when where I lived began to get cold in September, now it doesn't get cold until half way through December and is only cold until early March. Hell I remember seeing snow as a kid and not even freezes anymore. Kinda hard to deny climate change when my climate conflicts with my memories

>>729764424
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/global-warming-climate-change-man-made-scientific-consensus-study-a6982401.html

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>>729763918
Thank you anon, i was losing hope for this thread before you came.

I'm saving your argument in case this thread appears again, you have a special place in my "best friends from 4chan" memory box. Thank you.

>>729764674
>fucking lincoln-log fingers of yours
kek

>>729762853
i like Bill and agree with him, but he fucked up the debate so hard and not because he was interrupted a few times

>>729764382
But we can't change that.

>>729763434
save it kid.

>>729764531
>>729764561
>Bitches about claims without sources
>Claims without sources

Say to faggot, faggots. b is not a peer reviwed website, try somewhere that is.

>>729764698
Don't be such a pussy.

>>729764750
>source
>Independent.co.uk

my sides

>>729764659
>Okay, most people lose.
Retarded

>Because in that scenario I postulate, everyone dies because everyone essentially wants to drink bleach.
Because I want to drive a truck around and Bill Gates wants to travel everywhere he goes on a plane, we want to drink bleach?

>>729759979
>Every scientist ever says the same thing

>Must be a conspiracy from China to ruin Noble American Businesses

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>>729759979
>Can you please specify the degree to which humans are the cause of climate change?
Just watch the video.
The (very clear) answer is: "changes that one took centuries or millennia are now taking decades or even years."

>>729759979

Not being responsible for it doesn't mean we won't die from it if it gets out of hand.
The real question is how bad is it and what can we do to stop it.

>>729759979
Exhaust from modern machines warm up the atmosphere

Habitation loss from human expansion

Waste being disposed into the earth and seas

People in this thread who can vote and didn't grow up next to a steel mill

>>729764556
>Because you seem to think that magic exists
Quote me where i said that. :)

They claim to have the answers. They claim they have solutions but when i hear them talk all they say is "waaaa fox news does not believe me buy my book"

If they had any balls they would fix the damn problem Fox news be damned. No but there so happy still collecting checks for work they do not fucking do. I hardly call checking a temperature gauge "work".

>>729763732
taxing the air you breathe. no scam here folks.

MMGW is real and all those cataclysmic predictions prove it.
Large parts of NYC is actually underwater.
The Maldives have disappeared.
Polar bears are extinct.
Children in the UK have never seen snow.
-
-
yeah, its real. You just have to believe like its a religion.

>>729764581
>Google it yourself
Sorry, not my job to prove your claims.

>>729759979
>scientist: my model proves man caused global warming because it's warmer now then 30 years ago and co2 is higher
>"denier": well we need more research and evidence. There is a study how sunspots could have a greater effect on the climate
>scientist: off with your head!!!

>>729764584
>No. The reality is, we are at the mercy of the Sun and the effect it has on our planet
The idea that solar activity has anything to do with our current predicament has been thoroughly debunked. But hey, keep copypasting and maybe it'll be true, right?

>>729759979
Deforstation

>>729764647
I didn't say mostly I said partly.

Probably don't know what a straw man is.

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>>729764647
I don't know much about Global Warming, but I think this image says that 99.7 + 0.5 = 100

>>729763796
more childish remarks.

>>729764194
https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm

it's actually 97%

>>729764194

This fucking guy. You know that the famous "97% of scientists agree" is bullshit, right? It was taken from a very small survey of "climate scientists", not a representation of all scientists in the world. You need to get your facts straight brah.

>>729764750
>/www.independent.co.uk

Biased lefty rag and not to be trusted

>>729764838

I remember my grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers grandfather made that first notation 450,000 years ago. People thought he was nuts.

>>729764733
>my experience and memory proves global warming is man made. Nothing can ever change in nature

>>729764381
proof, article?

>>729764461
>this
Greed is the real problem. People will do anything if it means making more money.
politicians are all money oriented and they'll step on people and the environment to get it.

>>729761808
Clear change by the people who conspired to prevent contrary research from being published, from the the people who falsified sensor data, or from the people who trade in carbon credits?

I don't believe *anyone* on either side of this issue.

The only thing I know for sure is that where I live and where I've travelled it's been shorter and cooler summers with longer and colder winters for the last three years.

For fuck's sake it started snowing again yesterday.

So I'm not buying it when someone screams at me that WE'VE JUST HAD THE HOTTEST YEAR ON RECORD AGAIN.

And no, I'm not buying that little chestnut about "climate being what you expect and whether being what you get".

isn't like about 50% of the cause of what is considered climate change from solar flares

>>729764821
Again, in my given scenario, yes. Because doing just that will eventually fuck you over in the end. Imagine if one person drank bleach, and someone got upset because we all tell them they can't. They wanna. Then someone else wants to. Then everyone wants to, because.

Even though it's bad for you.

>b-b-b-b-b-b-but he does it
Yeah, exactly. Pot, meet kettle. You aren't wrong in thinking that it's wrong that all these rich people do more damage by flying via plane every day by the day, but you're just as bad if you want to do the same, because they do it too.

>>729764893
>The idea that solar activity has anything to do with our current predicament has been thoroughly debunked. But hey, keep copypasting and maybe it'll be true, right?

No, the point is that at any given second a solar flare could do devastatingly more damage than human could ever.

>>729764750
Let me explain how sources work, libcuck.

A source that regurgitates what you've claimed, without sources, isn't a source. That is called propaganda.

I don't see a single link to a manifest of acredited research institutes, think tanks, peer-reviewed papers or anyone except for ONE professor they got to comment on their news piece.

They reference "polls this" and "research shows" without actually listing the requisite data. The only links on that page are links to other news articles following the same trend--spewing thoughts without factual basis.

This is propaganda. This is not socratic.

>>729764893

>THE SUN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CLIMATE, YOU CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER!

TOP KEK

>>729764877
I'm supposed to have trust in a remark like that?

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>>729764822
>only considered people scientists who publish the same view. Anyone who disagrees isn't a scientists regardless of education and credentials

>>729759979
The thing I don't understand about the whole climate change thing is - wouldn't it be better for the entire planet and everything on it to err on the side of caution?

If it eventually proves false and there's no such thing, what's the worse case scenario there?

However if it is real, and that instead becomes provable (enough for all the seemingly MANY deniers), then what? We've fucked the planet and there's no going back.

>>729764774
Exactly. That's why government funded grants are swallowed up by shill scientists pushing the man made global warming meme.

>>729764603
the guilt you feel is due to a social trait carried on by your ancestors who knew it was wrong to be a fucking faggot selfish fuck.

>>729764974
we know this from studying ice, just like the rings of the tree, you can see the conditions it's been through. and with the case of ice, you also get a physical record

https://www.scribd.com/doc/242845848/Read-DoD-report-2014-Climate-Change-Adaptation-Roadmap we will adapt either way

>>729765041
>Again, in my given scenario,
But your scenario is crap fam, there isn't enough data yet to back up the claim.

>>729764974
Figures are gleaned from glacial core samples.

>Not even knowing this extremely basic thing

>>729764799
>still no source

kek

>>729764441
>>729764571
And of course, some of the only intelligent posts in this thread get ignored by the idiots.

I want bacon. How will climate change effect my bacon?

>>729764974
>there is no way to observe the conditions of the past without having been there
>archeologists are just scam artists unless they uncover official written records
>being this retarded

Nice bait, mate. Wholesome.

>>729761808
Wow, great evidence ya cunt. You're too far brainwashed, kys

>>729764937
>skepticalscience.com

Got any real sources?

>>729765115
>If it eventually proves false and there's no such thing, what's the worse case scenario there?
They are trying to halt human progress and move toward computer progression. The damage will be catastrophic.

not the cause, infact there was climate change way way way way back with mamoths/dinos and shit- its a natural process but humans have just kinda given it a bit more of a push

>>729764822
1 not every scientist agrees. 2 only the scientists who push the global warming agenda get funded for research so it would make sense there would be more man made global warming. I'm not saying one way or the other but it's hard to take a paper seriously when it's funded by someone who already thinks the outcome is true before the actual study.

>>729764927
You make me cringe

>>729765057
Well, yeah, but that's sort of a strawman if you're using it as an attempt to refute anthropogenic warming.

>>729765064
https://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

But I guess since you said "top kek"...

>>729764857
>They claim to have the answers
>They claim to have solutions
>If they had any balls they would fix the damn problem

>implying because you know how to fix something you can fix something
>despite real world problems
>like feats of engineering or support
Or the fact that in order to do what they propose, a series of ratifications on the ways we live life would have to be put into effect almost immediately, and it would fuck with so many other avenues of society, from your social life to the economy.

You're still selling the idea that, just because I know a lot about particles, I should be able to turn dirt into gold just like that. Doesn't work that way.

>>729764820
>>729764953
>>729765059
> we need proof!!
>show proof
>Biased Leftist garbage!!! fake news!!
well is there any way anyone is really going to convince you otherwise? or are you just a stupid faggot?

Man-made climate change is bullshit conjured by the government control freaks to shake more shekels from our pockets.

>>729764825
how much of that is due to human influence is what the question is. I believe in global warming, but that statement alone doesn't answer the question. unless you explain how much influence people have that statement can easily be disregarded as correlation without causation

>>729764910
he only pressure the global warming faggotry to the libtard college kids so they would buy evo friendly shit so gore could profit, because he has a fuck ton on money in green technology stock.

gore told everyone to be eco friendly yet flew his private jet everywhere burning fossil fuels. Dude got a lot of faggots to believe his bullshit and some of you are in this thread. Hello sheep faggots follow your leader gore make him rich.

also why does america care so much about global warming, even if we went all green and eco friendly do you really think it would help? i mean do you think china or russia or the iran give a fuck about global warming? seriously who the fuck cares by the time anything happens to the earth we will all be gone anyways.

libtard green faggots.

Also you look like a fucking faggot driving your prius.

>>729765115
>The thing I don't understand about the whole climate change thing is - wouldn't it be better for the entire planet and everything on it to err on the side of caution?
Because we're already going run out of tantalum in 50 years. Where we gonna source capacitors and transducers for solar panels then?

When we pollute the soil with degraded lithium batteries because, AGAIN, you need to store power from solar and wind because it isn't always sunny or windy, are we better off than we were before?

You know what running out of a critical resource used in every microelectronic will do to the world?

Do you know what lithium salts do to a freshwater-based ecosystem?

When you talking about erring on the side of caution, you're creating NEW problems. Unless you and yours move out to the boons and throw away your computer, smartphone, starbucks and SUV, you're not helping. Being cautious and consuming limited natural resources does not make you a fucking earth child.

It makes you a cuck.

>>729764194
>scientist

No, only climate (((scientists))) with their noses in the grant trough

>>729765357
>but that's sort of a strawman if you're using

So was your bleach comparison.

>>729764825
Cause we have millions of years of concrete #s and not assumptions from ice core readings and tree rings?

>>729765131
>the guilt you feel is due to a social trait
That's because we live in a guilt culture. Take China who lives in a shame culture. They are selfish what force according to you stops them being so? So who's got it right then? Because i see selfish Chinamen all the time no force ever "punishes" them for being "shitty humans"
Oh and again keep the bible out of it.

>>729764194
>what is grant funded bias

>>729765059
Its an accurate summation of an easy to find survey
https://skepticalscience.com/97-percent-consensus-cook-et-al-2013.html
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024

>>729765147
>>729764231
>Chlorine atoms breaking up the ozone in the upper atmosphere is why a solar flare can do much more harm these days
Shit son, there isn't enough data to back that sentence up.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

>>729765059
/thread

>>729759979

Climate change is a hoax crammed down our throats by liberal 'progressives', like evolution and the round earth theory.

>>729765339
most scientists perform experiments having some preconceived outcome though

>>729765385
>well is there any way anyone is really going to convince you otherwise? or are you just a stupid faggot?
Guy, there's no sources. The only links on that page are links to other articles of the same news sites. There are no external links to academic databases.

Get over yourself. Your source is shit. Now I'm going to call you a cuck becuase you're behaving like a whiney safe-spacing cuckold.

Cuckboi.

>>729765114
Monster

>>729765357

bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Yeah, your source is totally legit.

>>729764816
how is that being a pussy?
math and science pointing toward our imminent death
>pussy..
?

>>729764893
So the sun has NOTHING to do with our climate? Is that seriously your argument?

>>729765494
See:
>>729764647

>>729765432
That's wasn't me

>>729765265
>climate shills have reputable sources

Are you new?

>>729765549
lol all these fucking retards that dont know the earth is pyramidal

>>729764937
>Ask 100 scientists at a climate summit, 97 say global warming real
> 97%

>>729765114
Do you know what a empirical study is?

Do you know how science develop?

I can tell you that the people that knows the answer to these questions is shaking their heads at you.

>>729765339
Truth.

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>>729765635
>That's wasn't me
Maybe you shouldn't have responded then because his argument started with a strawman: "In my scenario..."

>>729765385
Sure kid. You don't have a source. It doesn't exist and you're a liar. It's really that simple.

>>729765345
sad, people who think they're intelligent.

>>729765426
Hey man, try to relax. I just posed a few simple questions. You made reasonably good points but then "cuck" at the end brought the whole level of respectability back down.

>>729765387
but the solutions to combating climate change are cheaper, so they make more money if things are kept the same

>>729765410
if it's taking decades or years instead of centuries to millennia, and the only change is humans than you should kinda come to the conclusion yourself... why are people so against the thought of people being the cause of it? can you prove we aren't the cause of it?

>>729765115
Give up your phone and internet. And modern living.

>>729765429
>>729765456
"Fake news" only works until it's too obvious to do anything about it. Hope youre right and smarter thab scientist at their own job, but you'll probably be dead before it becomes your problem anyway.

>>729765448
oh god are you one of those 27 gender people?
>guilt culture
what a faggot

>>729765616

During the day yeah, but at night it has no influence because it is facing the other way. That's why solar power doesn't work.

>>729765616
No, you absolute moron, I'm saying that the effects of solar activity is negligible when it concerns the rate at which the planet is currently warming.

Solar activity has actually tapered off over the past 35 years, yet the planet continues to warm at the same rate. Scientists estimate that solar activity has only contributed around .1 degree centigrade to the overall warming since the mid nineteenth century.

>>729765616

His argument comes from propaganda put out by our friendly neighborhood "climate scientists", who totally are just doing it for the science, no sir, no cash payouts here, not at all.

It's not like our climate isn't cyclical or anything, not like we can't go back and look at the solar minimums and maximums, measure CO2 levels, look at events that have impacted our weather. You know, real science, right? Not just saying "TOO MUCH CARBON EMISSIONS, BLARG!"

>>729765064
changes in the activity of the sun don't have anything to do with it, obviously the heat from the sun does but that's constant

>>729765823
Ok

>>729765796
>You made reasonably good points but then "cuck" at the end brought the whole level of respectability back down.
Your assumption is I'm looking for your respect.

I neither require nor desire the respect of a man that doesn't do pre-requisite research and gets his ideological factoids from Facebook.

That's why I called you a cuck. With any luck, it'll be some kind of a wake-up call to you. Open your eyes.

Global warming is real. The earth goes through periods of warming and cooling.

Are we the cause? Unlikely. Anyone who says yes OR no is full of shit; we don't have enough data. Any reputable scientist will tell you we need more data.

>>729759979
No I can't specify there isn't any definitive data to give you a definitive answer. I could assume but I won't. The answer is pointless because unless a crisis happens there won't be change. Even if human technology isn't the cause of climate change, it is going to happen anyway.

>>729764647
This is just goalpost moving though, you people argue in a manner identical to creationists and flat Earthers, its like pissing in the wind.

>>729765373
So they are welfare queens then. Because what that says to me is
>I have the cure to the common cold but i would rather sell them 6000 versions of cough drops
Seems very dubious.
>despite real world problems
What bigger problem that the extinction of life? These are the guys who are saying this. THE FUCKING PLANET IS AT THE BRINK OF IT. according to them.
>like feats of engineering or support
Again why would this be a problem if the world was about to die as they keep telling us. Money can't be spent by dead men. So why is this an issue?

>>729765137
So in other words you don't know. You study something with assumptions and from those assumptions you make more assumptions and the margin of error grows with every assumption.

>>729762884
to which degree is this a childish response?

>>729765895
>obviously the heat from the sun does but that's constant
Don't ever go into astronomy.

>>729765757
Hold on. Can we break this down? Why is it a strawman again?

>You aren't wrong in thinking that it's wrong that all these rich people do more damage by flying via plane every day by the day, but you're just as bad if you want to do the same, because they do it too.
I'm pretty sure it was an analogy, newfriend. I'm not misrepresenting your rebuttal in any way.

>>729765562
i wasnt the op for that, can you prove humans are not the cause of global warming?

>>729765590
>your source doesn't confirm my baseless beliefs, so it's not legit.

Stay dumb . I know you will

>>729759979

Humans burn carbon. This carbon during combustion reacts with oxygen in the air, creating carbon dioxide/monoxide. Carbon dioxide molecules are larger and heavier than plain oxygen. This means that the molecules more easily reflect waves and particles because of their increased size. This means they more easily reflect solar radiation back at the planet for a 2nd round or more which results in less of that energy being lost to space and more of it being imparted to Earth in the form of heat.

Another good example of this is nuclear reactors. Generally water or H2 O is used as a medium to reflect neutrons back into the reaction to keep the reaction sustainable among other reasons. But if you swap the hydrogen atoms in water with deuterium, which is a heavier variant of hydrogen, the water molecules become heavier and much more effective at reflecting neutrons because of their increased size, making the reaction more efficient by keeping more neutrons inside. Thus heavy water.

Additionally the carbon oxides get absorbed readily into the ocean, making the pH of the water more acidic, which affects life there.

Climate changes naturally on the Earth due to various factors, but it does not change this severely over this short of a time sans huge disasters like bolide impacts or volcanic activity, and such quick climate change is always accompanied by mass extinctions because most life forms cannot adapt that quickly.

We have severely exacerbated a warming trend due to our fossil fuel consumption.

>>729765012
You can actually measure that general temperatures are getting hotter, at a much faster rate than what would naturally occur. Anecdotal evidence doesn't disprove anything. You don't exactly live in Syria, do you?

>>729765114
You're officially the scummiest slimebucket in this thread.

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>>729765894
This

>>729765866
>smarter than grant funded scientists on the climate change gravy train

FTFY

>>729765997
but what about my bacon?

>>729765823
>give up modern living
>what are alternative energy sources

>>729765339
>only the scientists who push the global warming agenda get funded for research

Except for the shills paid by the Koch brothers to spread disinformation, yeah? At least they make money to sound like complete asshats. What is your excuse?

>>729765797

It's not just about money, it's also about control. Look into it.

>>729765760

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378005000786

Hundreds of these, and even so many studies that combine with others only to show the exact same results, improving validity. Go fuck a goat.

>>729765801
You're giving the average person too much credit, the majority of people need to be spoon fed every last detail to understand anything because their brain fucking shuts down whenever a kind of hard to understand thing hits them. And people are against that idea because it just adds another bad thing we're responsible for that we need to worry about and by the time most people are adults they're tired of having to deal with more and more shit in life

>>729766011
>I'm pretty sure it was an analogy, newfriend. I'm not misrepresenting your rebuttal in any way.
The post you are talking about was an analogy yes, but his stance started with, LETS SAY I AM RIGHT... before you jumped in.

>>729765964
>What bigger problem
>Again why would this be a problem
The people with the money to fund their big solutions don't think they're serious. In fact, a lot of people don't think their serious. So, they're normal human beings who can't build megastructures or cure cancer or spawn infinite resources or get everyone to do exactly as they say. So, they end up not being able to deploy their big solutions that will stop the so-called extinction of life, besides the hyperbole.

Surprise, surprise.

>>729766021
Evidence to the contrary?

Remember, the Jurassic period was extremely hot in the early stages and eventually became cooler and "wetter". No humans, but ambient temperatures during those early Jurassic periods greatly exceed global ambient temperatures measured today.

>>729765869
No Guilt culture is what we base the west on. Shame culture is what the east works on.
You seen that image with Shamefull display etc this does exist outside tumblr.

My argument is if we did not have others gulting us in to sharing stuff. Then selfishness would become the normal. There is no force in the universe what stops you. Only other people.

>>729765528
>completely ignored by the deniers ITT

>>729765951
>unless crisis happens there won't be change
/thread

>>729766186
I don't think you know who you're talking to anymore.

>>729765715
99 out of 100 scientists believed the sun revolved around the earth at one time

>>729765895

Are you 12 and/or retarded?

>>729765792
Yeah i know right, people that think if i reply last i will have won the conversation, bunch of insecure ass-sniffers.

>>729765552
Point being? If I know I will be funded if I prove xyz, most scientists will force prove xyz. You use data to push an agenda. This is not oh I think if I think the outcome will be this and I test it. This is oh the outcome has to be this or I won't be paid. Tell me this never happens

>>729766069
Except the people doing the measuring keep getting caught fucking with the numbers.

And don't even get me started on models...your cute little idea that "we can see that it's hotter than can be naturally occurring" is horseshit.

>>729765760
>it doesn't exist
whats your proof to the contrary?
you just get off on saying someone else is wrong and lose yourself in the argument, you don't even care if you're actually supporting a beneficial hypothesis, what is the harm in countering global warming?

>>729766062
underrated post

>>729766000
time for you to leave kid.

>>729765528
yeah nasa i believe them, they will say anything to get grant money from the goverment, they are defunded because they wasted so much fucking money.

Space X is basically nasa now, and they arent say faggot shit about global warming. I mean space x is planning a trip to mars nasa was still trying to figure out how to get a rocket to launch without a malfunction.

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Apart from cars, a big part of climate change is the result of farts, like cow farts as cows are bred in high numbers to feed everyone on this goddamn planet. Not to mention that it isn´t even enough yet. You could now go ahead and turn into a vegan faggot, but then you´d be only eating away the stuff that is supposed to filter out co2 from the athmosphere so you aren´t really helping either. Climate change isn´t something unnatural, the earth naturally cycles through ice ages and hot periods and we are heading for a hot period right now. It´s just that it is doing that at an unusual high rate, that is actually concerning. Blaming climate change on humans is retarded as it would happen with or without humans. The only thing you can blame on humans is the accelerated speed of the change.

If you want to "save the earth" you better stop using cars, stop eating in general, stop farting and in the end, don´t kill yourself because that also releases methane gas that will warm the atmosphere.

Imagine if it turns out the whole 'Climate Change' thing is a hoax and we wasted all that time just making the world a better place to live in?

>>729766254
don't you mean the church? The actual scientists didn't really agree

>>729764893
>>729764884

You're looking at one outdated piece of evidence that you don't understand and building an entire conclusion around it.

>scientific conclusion
Our planet is able to support life thanks to the electromagnetic field that encircles the planet, and keeps us all from freezing to death from the harsh temp of space. This is better known as our atmosphere. The culprit behind the rising temperature is the rise in CO2, which adds to our electic field and traps in more heat. Pretty much everyone understands this. We use the air trapped in ice to measure the amount of CO2 in the atmostphere.

Since the industrial revolution, there has been a distinct rise in CO2. And that trend has been increasing exponentially since. This is unlike and phenomena ever in the history of the planet. Attribute the rise in CO2 to whatever you want, the rise in CO2 can be found right in the timeline of when electricity began to be used in manufacturing.

The sun spot and solar wind co spiracy was started by a law professor's assumption on a conservative blog. Since the world's leading scientiest in solar activity has debunked this conspiracy with decades of research, which has been pier reviewed and yet to be debunked.

Fact of the matter, if you beleive in the scientific process you understand global warming. It takes 30 seconds to understand the sunspot conspiracy but you choose not to understand them either. Your opinion is baseless and extremely dangerous to a planet altering consensus.

>>729762909

It's not about making a 'machine' to fix it. They are probably working on solutions but at the basic level human behavior has to change. We've made a lot of progress towards lowering carbon emissions since the 70s, but the problem is we've made enough progress here in the states that suddenly nobody remembers that it's an actual problem anymore and so now the government has convinced people to support getting rid of all the regulations that stop this place from turning into a shithole and doing it's part to minimally affect climate change while a solution is created and implemented.

Also if nobody believes climate change is occurring it's quite hard to get funding to fix it. Business people don't want to fix it because it's bad for businesses.

>>729765873
I hope your joking

>>729765961
Its like pissing in the wind, and trying to argue with them on 4chan is like pissing in an ocean off piss.

>>729766203
where's your source on that?

>>729765877
Nice bait

>>729766230
but why would we want people to be selfish? it is beneficial to the group and therefore our survival as a species to share which is why we made it into our culture, it's good to feel guilt when you are a selfish fuck.

>>729766232
Except carbon doesn't = rising temperatures. It has a low energy envelope.

I know you like the pretty graph that has a sharp incline so you can mentally point to it and internally yell "SEE. IM RIGHT AND THOSE TRUMP-LOVING NAZIS ARE WRONG. HAH", but you don't actually understand global warming mechanisms and the components that make up the operations of the thermopshere (where most of this shit is taking place), so you just look like a greentexting cuck.

Again, I use the word cuck because you liberals keep behaving like cucks. If you want to stop being called cucks, stop acting like it.

>>729766315
and another thread goes south on 4chan.

>>729766446

No?

>>729766353
its pasta.

>>729766545
That word has become the new gay.

>>729766189
But money is no issue when it comes at the cost of the planet?

Like i said dead men cannot spend money. If you want to be that pedantic about money why don't the set up a gofundme for all the people give money to save the planet?
>>729766441
>They are probably working on solutions
Yea when their next book deal check clears. if ever

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>>729766324
Why is it horseshit?
There's a clear fucking correlation. Global temperature that changes this drastically takes hundreds of thousands of years.

>>729766062
Oh no, an intelligent post, this kills the OP

If global warming is real then explain why we still have winter?

>>729766453
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic

Note the Co2 atmospheric content and ambient surface temperaturs.

Enjoy.

Burning fossil fuels, fraking, toxic waste, etc

>>729766428
>"i was present back in 1200 AD and know what the scientists of that time were supporting"

>>729766121
>thinks because something is solar powered means it didn't pollute to make it or can produce the same amount of energy as other fuels

>>729766324
I have never head of anyone fucking with the numbers. Did you just pull that out your ass?

>>729766634
You don't get it. Mr CEO isn't going to fund Johhny Fix-it because he simply doesn't believe him. He doesn't believe him, and there's nothing Johhny Fix-it the faggot can say or do to make him fund his work so he can fix all the things.

This better be bait.

>>729766721

>implying I wasn't

>>729766644
Now measure flourine content in the atmosphere, tritium content, argon, radon, etc...

That graph may as well be a strawman. They picked two items and drew a correlation that may or may not be related.
That.
Is.
Not.
Socratic.

Evidence of other chemical elements and compounds' effect on the atmosphere also need to be measures before a conclusion can be drawn.
That.
Is.
Scientific.

Do we understand now?

>>729766428
well pretty much every important scientist was tied to the church at the time

>>729766707
found the enviro"mental"ist.

>>729766545
I vote conservative though. Not everyone who posts on this board are American.

Forget everything all you idiots have posted, forget all that for a minute. One question, how little respect for the universe do you people and all the well-paid climate "scientists" have? Do people honestly, and I mean study your feelings, do you honestly think that cars and factories humans made are going to impact the fucking Earth so much that we're going to render it incapable of sustaining life? How arrogant is that?!?!?! Really?!?!?!

That we are that powerful that we can defeat the Earth's capability of supporting organic life? That we can have more of an impact than, say, the Earth itself, or the Sun? Are we so stupid that we can't study history and see how Earth survived and thrived after shit like Giant Asteroid Impacts, Solar Flares, Gamma Ray Bursts, Mega-thrust Earthquakes, and Caldera Forming Eruptions?

But nope, we're going to kill life with some CO2.

Fuck off, all of you!

>>729766130
Yes they make up 97% of the funding

>>729766116
You sound more biased than the scientists.

>>729764398
"Science" here, stop lying about me. Alligators have not been around longer than trees.

And while the world is resilient, major damage takes tens of millions of years to fix.

>>729766751
>thinks solar power causes pollution
>thinks because we just started in a new source of energy it will be at max efficiency
dude it's called innovation and it takes time and money...

>>729766542
Tell me honestly. Will you give up everything you have for that hobo in the street?
It's your fault he is there. You did not share enough with him. Or is it selfish to just walk past and ignore him(like we all know you would). Selfishness and self-interest are just what make us more human. Suppressing that is stupid.

>>729766844
if you're breathing you are part of the problem.

>>729766808
Do you agree or not agree to the fact that natural temperature changes takes more than a span of a hundred years to change this drastically?

>>729766843
>I vote conservative though. Not everyone who posts on this board are American.
Then you either come from a country overrun by muslims, is in dire need of exports to stay economically-afloat, or suffer earthquakes every other week.

In which case, I'd say you have bigger problems to worry about than slightly-warmer summer days.

>>729766293
No to both. Are you?

Will somebody,
Anybody,
Please think of the Bacon!

WAPWAPWAP

>>729766545
>authority on how cucks behave.

Is that so.

I couldn't comment on the rest, I thought it was pretty well known that CO2 wasn't the "greenhouse gas" that people claim it to be and personally I think our records don't go back nearly far enough to indicate whether CO2 emissions have anywhere near the impact some advocates cling to so desperately.

Ignoring climate change as the primary topic for a moment, why do Trump supporters seem to be so interested in cuckolding? All the cuck-experts i've encountered so far have only had that in common... Causality? Correlation? Who can say...

>>729766942
Not that many muslims here. Any other ad hominems to add? Or do you just want to attack people who disagree with your uneducated opinion?

>>729759979
I remember the sky being bluer, clearer and being able to see further. It's pretty obvious to me that we live in a snow globe and are filling it slowly with smoke. Sounds like a bad idea, period.

The seasons have been less predictable, the weather has more variation and although it could be caused by other factors. However, applying Occum's razer, the simplest and most obvious answer that for over 100 years we have been pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere we are bound to see negative outcomes from this.

What's funny is all the kids on this site have probably never google'd "China air pollution photos" or seen that hotels hand out filtration devices for visitors.

My question, how could it not impact the climate? Wind is air flow, if you change the composition of the air with heavier or different elements, then you will in fact impact climate. And after 100+ years of unabated stupidity driven by convenience and greed, would you expect nothing to come of it?

I guess in fact humanity is that stupid. This site is just an extension of that reality.

>>729766545
>but you don't actually understand global warming mechanisms and the components that make up the operations of the thermopshere
Kek. Oh shit, we got an expert here, guys!

No, carbon doesn't necessarily = rising temperatures, but when you pump an inordinate amount of it into the environment, the planet can't keep up with it.

Btw, you completely expose yourself as a colossal dumbfuck when you unironically use the word "cuck"

>>729766152
>www.sciencedirect.com

Man made global warming shill site and not to be trusted

>>729759979
Christ that interview was so cringe worthy. This is what happens when a scientist tries to explain science to the scientifically illiterate

>but how much did the climate change? Give me a number? Did it change 20? Did it change 30?

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>>729766152
lol no.
a REAL source

>>729766941
>Do you agree or not agree to the fact that natural temperature changes takes more than a span of a hundred years to change this drastically?
Some climate changes did, some didn't.

That's why anyone who says "im sure global warming is our fault!" or "im sure global warming isnt our fault!" is full of shit.

You can argue for the likeliness or unlikeliness of it all day--to say for certain there is a correlation is horseshit. We can't go back more than a few thousand years with core and ice samples to ATTEMPT to study ancient climate conditions--two hundred thousand years is the blink of an eye compared to the age of the planet.

We require more data. Construct additional researchers.

>>729764595
He answered clearly what percentage of climate change is attributable to humans (100%) and what the climate would be like without climate change (same as in 1750). He just called Fucker out on his BS along the way.

>>729766844
That asteroid had the earth fucked for thousands of years. Did you just compare global warming and climate change with the extinction of the fucking dinosaurs. I cant stop laughing dude. Earth survived, but everything on it got caught with a mild case of DEATH!

>>729765528
>Nasa
>Grant funded
>Towing the line

Color me surprised

>>729766844
>Do people honestly, and I mean study your feelings, do you honestly think that cars and factories humans made are going to impact the fucking Earth so much that we're going to render it incapable of sustaining life
Yes. Specifically because a lot of people die in proximity of or within cars, for example. People also get caught in machinery in factories. Crunch.

Also, pollution and inefficient allocation of resources to meet the set living standard for most. We could 100% destroy every facet of modern society with a laughably small amount of nuclear weapons. And, yes, we have enough to render large chunks of the biosphere dead, and unable to recover for quite some time.

Not enough to create a hellstorm of burning inferno or a great dying on par with the dinos, mind you, but enough to just reset the clock. We have the power of the sun, dummy. We have it sitting on top of big flight-capable metal cocks. We can literally fuck ourselves with giant exploding metal cocks.

Also, when did we ever get hit with a gamma ray burst?

>>729766634

Good way to rationalize by using the line that scientists are making it up for profit. I've explained the science behind it in this thread and that's all I can really do. The fact is it is occurring, there is very clear data it is occurring, there is science you yourself can do in your own backyard to prove the mechanisms that are causing it, and unfortunately the extreme quickness of the temp changes can be directly attributed to human behaviors.

A lot of money gets pumped into a misinformation campaign to turn people like you into deniers so that you will elect deniers who will then make policies against environmental regulations, because having to follow safe emissions standards really cuts into profits in a lot of industries and they don't like that.

However it makes a safer and healthier world for all of us to have these standards, such as they are. If you could see 1970s and prior United States you would understand the magnitude of what has been accomplished in that time.

TL'DR companies want to make more money and removing environmental regulations at your detriment is a good way to do it

>>729766545
Carbon, forgot the 2 oxygen atoms. The problem is molecules not an individual atom. Stop using bad science and calling people who are correct a liberal.

The fact is you are an idiot and are not a scientist, so stfu.

>>729767065
When the world ends, half the papers will be covering it and the other half will be calling it bullshit.

This is how the world ends, not with a bang, not with a bang, but with a "nuh uh".

>>729766772
IF the wold was is such a bad state(that they keep claiming) they would handcuff these welfare queens to a fucking research lab under armed guard in seconds. Why has this not happened?

I can tell they just want to claim good guy points not save the world. They make outlandish claims that if you go vegan you will save the planet. Why is it that this advice is given by them when promoting a book but no fully detailed plan is ever mentioned.
They are all bark no bite and this shit is starting to where thin.
You also imply these guys are dirt poor. How big is Tysons house. Bigger than mine i can tell you that.

The climate has been changing for the last four and a half billion years.

Get over it.

>>729766322
I can't tell you that it never happens but as someone who has studied and worked in a scientific field I know that most of the time people try to find ways in which ideas in science are wrong because that's the only time it's actually interesting. i've worked in and been taught by people who run labs that get constant funding from universities or the government and once something is researched and experimented on they don't just keep giving you money to keep doing the same experiments and proving the same things over and over again.

>>729766431
I understand science well more then you do. Data is constantly being manipulated to prove a point. Temp readings are adjusted etc. Well if the temp has to be adjusted to be accurate maybe you shouldn't use that location. I also understand about cause and effect. Too many people think co2 causes warming except there is no direct correlation to co2 rising and temp. People seem to think they know it all until they don't. Scientists are wrong all the time, which is fine and how we learn but please don't shave a "scientific" agenda down our throats when it is funded by people who want power.

>>729767017
>Not that many muslims here. Any other ad hominems to add? Or do you just want to attack people who disagree with your uneducated opinion?
I mean, I guess that's a response. Too bad it doesn't have any substance.

>Btw, you completely expose yourself as a colossal dumbfuck when you unironically use the word "cuck"
You know who tried to discredit use of the word cuck? People who get mad when they're called a cuck.

Cuck.

>the planet can't keep up with it.
Evidence?
So you know the earths' carbon cycle now? Is it anything like how the Earth is dealing with the atmospheric fallout from Chernobyl?

>>729766931
Suppressing that using your human instincts would be stupid.

Reasonably moderating it would be effective, if not efficient. And more human, because you'd still be allowed the right to be selfish enough.

>>729766998
>This
I think everybody is confusing the terms weather and climate.

>>729759979
He gave a date and said to compare it to now. The difference is us. He answered the fucking question.

>>729766232
The Nasa "scientists" are nothing more than "smart people" with their hands out to government looking for money, and the government is the one with the agenda that puts the money in the their hands.

>>729766931
that's not the same as being selfish, just becuase i dont endanger my way of living to support another person dosent mean im selfish being selfish would be seeing that and doing nothing to help, for instance if i actually encountered a hobo everyday i would give him something to eat, i dont live near homeless people maybe you do and it's due to selfish people like you in the area
>Selfishness and self-intrest make us more human
then we arent human now? how can something become more of the thing it is? a dog cant become more dog....

>>729767307
>▶
>then
You mean than, your grammar is a proof you are also a fucking idiot with most people in this thread.

>>729767031

Yeah, that's a short term, highly localized problem. We can fuck up the air in an area, we might even impact the weather in certain places. That doesn't mean the global fucking climate is going to be fucked because the air in China is bad. There are so many things that can or could affect the global climate. CO2 is just one of many, and it's not enough to permanently damage the Earth or its ability to sustain organic life.

>>729764943
Gee who cares what scientists who actually study this shy have to say, let's ask an ornithologist what they think

And yet the vast majority of scientists still recognize the fact that man made climate change is very real

>>729766844
I doubt earth was ever hit by a gamma ray burst, that would sterilize the planet in a splitsecond.

I agree on the other stuff though. The co2 won´t kill all live, but it might kill off a good portion of the animals and plants, potentially including a huge amount (or all) of humans. Why should I care though, I´m not gonna survive it anyway.

>>729766940
>if you're breathing you are part of the problem.
No, breathing does not produce co2

>>729767176
>Earth survived, but everything on it got caught with a mild case of DEATH!
Not exactly, Dinosaurs and reptiles in general caught the mild case of death and a ton of plants. Other animals and plants were able to adapt and survive, thanks to them we are now able to shitpost on the internet.

>>729761808
"Clear evidence.
Im 35 years old with a masters in Env Sci.

Its not clear. Models make pretty big assumptions. Climate change happens without human interference and is normal.

Do we cause it to change more dramatically, a drop in an ocean more? Maybe, but there is plenty of room for debate on both sides.

But what does it matter?
Climate is going to change anyways.
Earth's magnetic field is going to change anyways.

Youre all memes.

>>729767221
I wonder if the people at NASA feel dirty because of that. Like they know they did something wrong.

>>729767303
This.

>climate has been constantly changing for millennia
>it continues to change
>GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE IS AFFECTED BY HUMANS
>HURR
>DURR

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>>729763240

>I don't like your source so it's a shill and fake

>>729767307
>Temp readings are adjusted etc.
Yes, because they have to factor in weather conditions as well as the position of the sun in order to get accurate readings for the thousands of weather stations.

>I understand science
Yeah... I don't think you do, pal.

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>>729765012
weather is the current state while climate is the average of the weather over a long period of time. Watch the cosmos sometime dude.

>>729766644
1) Not when the numbers are suspect.
2) That's not causation.

Between factors like solar cycles, volcanoes, and who fuck knows what else we simply don't have the data to make decent models for something as complicated as long term climate fluxuation.

>>729767416
When you keep cutting down the stuff that processes CO2, you in fact do create a problem. Why are people able to ignore simple common sense?

You could have a doctorate and still be an idiot if you ignore obvious and simple things.

>>729765528
finaly someone got proof the cucks cant deny

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>>729764194
>Fuck yourself and Google some facts.

Google, tinfoil and paranoia from the university of le Intarwebz

lol

>>729767427
>I doubt earth was ever hit by a gamma ray burst, that would sterilize the planet in a splitsecond.
I'll take secondary cosmic ray for $500, Alex.

>No, breathing does not produce co2
Uhm. I'm not arguing in favor of the liberal earth-mothers here but, you may wanna double-check that...

>Other animals and plants were able to adapt and survive, thanks to them we are now able to shitpost on the internet.
This is true. It might just be humanity's time to pass.

>>729767261
>A lot of money gets pumped into a misinformation campaign to turn people like you into deniers
I am not a denier. In fact i believe to much and want the gods Bill Nye and Tyson to delver us from it. I am just pissed off because they would rather moan about FOX news than do any fucking real work.

>>729767171
I don't remember him saying it's 100% because that's wrong, so if he did say that then he's an idiot

>>729767302
>Why has this not happened?
Because the world isn't make believe and you would go to jail for doing this. Furthermore, there you are again, polarizing the situation. No one person is 100% principle, or holy, or whatnot. In addition:
>physicist
>physicist doing earth sciences
>a physicist
>a fucking physicist who made his name knowing particles and nothing else to that degree

Here you are, suggesting the fix to all of this... but what are you doing? Certainly not giving these people money, because you believe them to be full of shit, because, oh, they can't just make it all better. About a million or more other people believe the same, and do the same. So that's why you don't see the kind of magical progress you imagine you'd need to see to believe it.

>>729764943
Actually it is taken by the majority of scientists around the world. So much so that over 1300 peer review studies have been done on it and come to the same conclusion.

Do you know how many studies have been done coming to the opposite conclusion? 3, and none of them are peer reviewed.

>>729767449
I feel bad for climate scientists at NASA, they have to deal with idiots daily and threads like this prove there is no hope.

>>729767623
>hasn't heard of grant funded bias

kek

>>729766761
You "didn't hear"?

Try paying attention instead of sucking of Al Gore.

But I'm feeling charible: good NOAA data manipulation.

Before that there was the data breach at the University of East Anglia.

Etc.

>>729764152
In the same way that it could be coincidental that viruses cause disease, sure. Perhaps the symptoms of diseases we think are caused by viruses are caused by voodoo curses, and the viruses just happen to be present in humans we test but are actually benign. Makes sense. I can doubt, for sciences sake.

>>729767469
Welcome to America, where both half are stopped by the other and both sides believe the other is destroying the world. We are fucked, and a war is about to start in the midst of it.

>>729767433

Obviously your degree didn't make you smart enough to consider that humans rely on this climate to survive, and if it changes, regardless of source, we are going to end up severely fucked.

>>729767401
Then you have no right to call people out for being selfish. You do not practice what you preach

>>729767623
It doesn't prove anything, samefag.
The graph shows carbon content is rising. Nothing more, nothing less. Drawing any other conclusions is a non-scientific leap.

>>729767454
just because something rolls down a hill due to gravity doesn't mean a person can't push it down faster

>>729767683
I have more faith in the inevitable non-human intelligence uprising.

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>>729763342
Wrong. Even if that was true...how is that a bad thing?

>>729767683
See:
>>729767691

The climate is always changing. It's changed who knows how many times since the Earth's atmosphere was
formed. Furthermore, there's no empirical proof that humans are causing the current climate change. If there was then it wouldn't be a debate, it'd be fact.

>>729767691
>trying to do anything to not admit you were wrong
explain to me what is wrong with the data provided by NASA scientists, are you more intelligent and more informed than they are? if so they might want your help...

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>>729767734
to bad this problem isn't just the US's

>>729767636
>anything that disagrees with my point of view is fake.

The only difference between you and I is I've actually tried to understand the contrary points of view, before disregarding them.>>729767636

>>729767641
>>Uhm. I'm not arguing in favor of the liberal earth-mothers here but, you may wanna double-check that...

You may wanna double-check, you breath out the co2 you breath in, not more of it.

>>729767897
Climate Change is real
Humans are not the cause

>>729767851

It's great until you and your family are in the kill percentage.

>>729767433
A master's degree merely means you can study and process information, it doesn't make you the end to all arguments or prove you are any smarter.

You aren't the guy who programs computer models, you probably are not able to do math at that level and you are just a bean counter who interprets output that has been created by people much smarter than you.