>Same God >Same Founder >Same Sort of text Why can't

>>729415116
Islam does.
Islam preaches violence.
Muslims are violent.

Remnants of Mankind's inability to exit the Bronze Age gracefully.

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>>729415388
Were are your facts?

Religion is a meme. Cultural strife has never had anything to do with religion. It's based on race and ethnicity. People blame religion because they're too fucking stupid to recognize the real reasons for different cultures hating each other.

>>729415116
all three religions point to the same God, and all three religions got their reasoning from ancient egyptian/sumerian texts. Basically we are all idiots.

>>729415612
The fact that the prophet of Islam lead conquests on nearby tribes killing all the men and making all the women their "wives," one of whom was a 9 year old girl

Plus all the Koran entries about stoning and beheading infidels, and the past 30 years of middle eastern history

>>729415116

>I am right
>you are wrong

/thread

>>729415116
Cause Jews are Jews, Muslims are retarded and christian culture is not judaistic, but stolen from Pagans.

>>729415116
Jews
>wrote the original book ~1000B.C.
Christians
>added bullshit to it in ~100A.D.
Muslims
>added even more bullshit to it ~600A.D.
Mormons
>added yet even more bullshit

The original text had enough bullshit.

What the fuck even is religion? Like seriously, what the fuck is it?

>>729415612
here:

quran 9:123
"O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous."
quran 2:212
"Beautified for those who disbelieve is the life of this world, and they ridicule those who believe. But those who fear Allah are above them on the Day of Resurrection. And Allah gives provision to whom He wills without account."
quran 4:74
"So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory - We will bestow upon him a great reward."
quran 4:95
"Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -"
quran 9:111
"Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah , so they kill and are killed. "
quran 9:29
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
>quran 9:123
"O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous."

and you know it, deceiving asshole

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>>729415116
>>Same Sort of text
you have to be kidding

>>729415116
Yahweh is the REAL God, and the God that the Jews worship.

Jesus is the son of Yahweh, and after his death and resurrection, became one with God as well.

The Mudslimes worship Allah, a name NEVER mentioned in the bible, and for all intents and purposes, is a fake God or demon.

Islam is a collection of false prophecies piggy-backing on the Judeo-Christian religions.

The Jews are just not up-to-date on who is their Savior, and as Christians we kinda feel sorry for them.

Muslims...Fuck them all.

>>729417510
>The original text had enough bullshit.
Christians, Muslims and Mormons disagree.

There is always room for more bullshit and lets face it: if you buy in to any of it you may as well try your luck and see how many people buy into the recent additions too. Gotta get them tithes somehow.

>>729415858
Allah is not a God. He is a god to Islam.

They are not the same God

>>729415116
They can't get along because Islam teaches it's followers to kill all infidels

quran 9:73
"O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination."
quran 9:123
"O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous."
quran 8:59
"And let not those who disbelieve think they will escape. Indeed, they will not cause failure [to Allah ]."
quran 61:4
"Indeed, Allah loves those who fight in His cause in a row as though they are a [single] structure joined firmly."
quran 47:35
"So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and Allah is with you and will never deprive you of [the reward of] your deeds."

>>729417809
Weak b8, but to anyone who actually is this level of uneducated: "Allah" is Arabic for God, the same way we English speakers call him God, Spanish speakers call him Dios or Señor. They all point to the same supernatural figure.

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the old testament / torah are much closer in ethics to the koran than the new testament.

The very notion that the 'same' 'God' inspired old and new testaments is simply absurd. Comparing Jesus to yahweh is like comparing jesus to mohammad.


Doubt me? fair enough but consider just the appendix to Doiglas Reed's book:

https://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/Controversybook_eng_Appendix.htm


Bonus Points: Judaism (the texts) deems non jews not fully human. This is basic judaism irrespective of the apologetics, claims of mistranslation etc etc.

https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/judaism.htm

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>>729418491

What the Quran-bashers don’t want you to know is that the Bible (Hebrew) is far more violent than the Quran.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/03/what-the-quran-bashers-dont-want-you-to-know-about-the-bible/

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>>729417739
Posting a bad translation from a anti islam propaganda site i see

>>729415919
>>729417739
>>729417806
this is historical fact and yet. Bitches go to school for this shit and still end up whores?

>>729415116
Anybody who believes in god, any shape or form, is a fucking retard.

>>729415116
>Same God
Well there is only one creator.

>Same Founder
No.
Judaism was founded by Moses.
Christianity was founded by Christ.
Islam was founded by Muhammad.

>Same sort of text
Only if you're illiterate.

Hey guy Canadafag here, I used to be a mudslime, by family tradition, until I read the qu'raan and realized what it meant.

For those unsure/unaware/not wanting to believe it, I'll make it clear for everyone..

Islam as it is portrayed in the Qu'raan is not a religion of peace. Plain and simple. However, modern most modern Muslims have abadonned the extremist ideas of the original Qu'raan..

So for those of you who are still dumb, simply put :
Islam is not peace
Not all Muslims follow the true Islam.

>>729418767
That's why the bible is the best out of the 3. we don't do blood libels. all you gotta do is just not be an actual toxic fagget or your own faggotry will be the death of you. fury not fear.

>>729418767
these things mentioned there are not commandments, but is narration. also, christians follow the gospels and don't follow the old testament, wherever it condradicts the gospels
>>729418804
HAHA, yes, the translation, sure. i wrote these out myself. from this website:
https://quran.com/
nice try
>>729418806
>end up whores
what are you talking about

>>729418886
He means Abraham, but regarding texts I can only guess he means they are all large tomes that dictate how to worship God.

>>729418826
Prove it.

JESUSNEVEREXISTED.COM

also check out, if interested in ancient history, this article re Exodus (if anything, ancestors that the jews claimed were expelled from Egypt)

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/01/exodus-redux-jewish-identity-and-the-shaping-of-history/

And this guys theory on Exodus:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/03/egypt-knew-no-pharaohs-nor-israelites/


the basic theme of jews claiming victimhood and persecution begins with the Exodus lie.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/04/reflections-on-the-history-of-the-jewish-hoax/

The violence and calls for violence and conquest in the Koran is inarguable.


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

comparing the mythical Moses (an Egyptian name, *possibly* a real Egyptian priest of Atkenhaten (sp?) who fled with followers with the sun god religion that had zero to do with the yahweh cult of the Israelite Semirmtic tribes)... to mohammad makes sense.

comparing either to Jesus of Nazareth is absurd.

>>729415116
Catholics vs Protestants
Sunni vs Shia vs all the other sects
Haredi vs anybody not autistic

The most vicious fights are infighting.

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>>729419325
Nothing at all. I'm white and therefore considered crazy for defending my own heritance. Boi

>>729415116
All three embrace "my way or the highway." Jews don't accept christ as their savior, Christians worship a dead Jew but look down upon other Jews, and Muslims think Jesus was actually a prophet and Muhammad delivered the correct message.

>>729415612
9/11/2001

>>729420013
I bet cuz they like being called goyims. and are to this day the 1% of all of us. jewish mobsters totally don't exist

>>729419935
what are you referring to and what are you even saying? this doesn't make any sense muslim

>>729420013
My way. or hells highway.

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>>729419325

True for Catholics and other Supercessionists, not true for Judeoprotestants like Evangelicals.

And there absolutely are 'commands' in the Mosaic law to violence. Jews have a better PR department than Muzzies, but all one has to do is read the thing.

I agree with you that the NT is totally different from the Koran and OT.

I am agnostic, former Catholic - I view theology as silly but dont agree with the New Atheist view of trying to attack religious people's * faith*... except for attacking the absurd notion anyone but flawed men wrote these shitty books.

http://www.alternet.org/30-most-violent-exhortations-bible-torah-and-quran

>>729420281
Precisely, this subversion tactic was widely common centuries ago as a way to sway conversion, and still persists among protestants and some Orthodox denominations.

>>729420209
what do you think made the Trump election so powerful. the internet was backing it up! no body likes Blacked.com cuz what of it's HDness!? Fuck off Kike nigger thread is retarded

>>729415116
>muh all religions are equal

w e w l a d i remember all the times christians conquered muslim homelands and forced them to convert

>inb4 crusades
if somebody says "muh crusades" i'll fucking kill them

>>729420401
>Evangelicals
evangelicals don't kill and wage war. killing two abortion doctors is nothing against muslim violence. and again, this is narration and not a commandment. the war waging and hating are commandments in the quran.
>And there absolutely are 'commands' in the Mosaic law to violence.
where are your facts?

>>729420569
ok, you're just babbling something. who cares. nobody will take you seriously. why are you even posting anything on here. your only way is violence and lies and you're lying so bad, everbody can see. so all you have is violence. good luck with that

This guy is a Muslim:

https://youtu.be/YVNMAq7R0D0

I grew up Catholic but am not religious, no fan of Islam, but I think this ^^man really is a man of peace and a man of God.

I think good people will 'wear' any religion well while assholes will use it as an excuse - little violence in the New Testament but the Catholic Church ducking murdered people for translating the Bible, etc etc.

point is, religion is not going to make anyone good or evil.

The heart does that.

>>729420209
There isn't a white genocide happening FOOL!!!! Your paranoid now let me nail you to a cross for not letting me fucking CUCKING YOU!!!!

muslim here but i stand by all beliefs, like christianity and atheism are valid to me

goes back to the quote 'why can't we all be right'

people need to find their own way on their own, and everyone is given the chance to do so

>>729415116
Different Christian sects from the same country can't even get along so...

Also all the of the retards who unironcally scream Deus Vult need to face the reality that most Christian groups can't even get along with eachother, even during the Crusades. Speaking of which did fuck all to stop the Muslim raids and invasions. we can thank the dirty Mongolian horde for decimating the Islamic empire.

>>729421058
what do you want to achieve with this nonsense?

>>729421009
Your words not mine. only violence ever done was in SELF DEFENSE

>>729421175
Stop feeding the trolls

>>729420751

the facts are in the links.

you dont have to read them, but they are there.

i agree evangelicals are not currently committing violence, unless you count politicians who advocate for state violence.

dude, check out the links.

peace out

>>729421027
The "heart" is a completely objective animal instinct, nothing more. Religion is an important part in developing human morality, we may not need it as much in modernity but I think dispensing with it completely gave us what we have today - nihilism and materialism.

>>729417809
lol wut

allah means 'the god' in arabic

>>729421027
Finally, a logical mind.

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>>729421175
Breaking this retarded thread. ask stupid questions get stupid answer

>>729415116
because everyone has a different interpretation of their religion. and religion is powerful enough to make people devote their lives to it. and its also one of the most abuseable tools available for people to control masses of other people.

>>729421283
yo bro got that potent yahweh

>>729417809
he knows.
allahu be satan

you idiots that talk about the violence islam preaches as if it's the only thing it preaches, islam is vast and almost all of it is about peace, love and life. and ofcourse.. knowledge

this isn't some little cult, this shit offers so much to the world, not the only ideology that does but is one of them, we need to all hold on to our beliefs and work together to improve them

>>729421461
>people to control masses of other people.
>masses of other people

You could of just said the following: it's a tool used by the few to control the many, or the masses.

Moron.

>>729420573
>i remember all the times christians conquered muslim homelands and forced them to convert

Name one time.

>>729420069
>Extremists speak for everyone
Goodness I hope you get flayed by rats for this level of retardation.

Bitches are stupid so humanity made comic books.

>>729421249
>unless you count politicians who advocate for state violence.
what does that have to do with religion?
>the facts are in the links.
yeah, jewish law also says, to stone people. do they do it nowadays? no. do muslims do it? yes. and the violent commandements are pruny against those in the quran. and christians don't have ANY violent commandements OR narration. so no, jews and muslims are not alike. and christians and muslims are absolutely not alike. stating that thora is FAR MORE violent than quran is delusional.

Prove that god does not exist

>>729421609
It's become strikingly obvious in recent times just exactly how violent Islam is compared to Christianity, because it's just come into serious contact in the modern period.

Like it or not violence was a fundamental part of the religion, it's written in the texts. I really don't mind Islam actually, but keep it out of Western countries. We're too different to live together. Even if we weren't so different, I want my people to be with their own.

>>729421631
Not that guy but that would mean all religion has that as it's final goal, which isn't the case.

>>729415116
Islam is all about THOT policing.

>>729421662
it was sarcasm m8

>>729421368
i wasn't even asking a question in the first place and you answered with nonsense. then my question was:
>what are you referring to and what are you even saying? this doesn't make any sense muslim
whats stupid about that?

>>729421995
cuz I'm white :D

>>729422113
Totally sounds unbiased.

and it's always gunna fall back to the white man no matter the lives.

>>729415116
the difference is:
Jews wait for the messiah
Christians say Jesus was the messiah
Muslims say, jesus was a prophet not the messiah and both, jews and christians are missguided by wrong translations etc

>>729421878

All major religions have been hijacked and will be continued to be hijacked by sociopaths and psychopaths that utilize it as a tool to have control over others.

It depends on the leader of the mosque, synagogue, and church.

>>729415116
all religion should be illegal

>>729422349
jews think they made god and not the other way around. There is nothing good about being human.

>>729422315
>implying

>>729415116
They view each other as different. They ignore similarties because they view themselvs as different, and over-exxegerate their differences as those are the only things those parties have to cling onto to say they might be right. And it's all about being proving themselvs right....espically islamic extremeists.

>>729422280
>unbiased
how can it be even biased?

>>729422654
i'd chill in a room with satan.

>>729421631
i just wanted to emphasize how strong the emotions linked to religion are.

>>729422781
>basic facebook meme on /b/

wow

>>729421856
like th US isn't violent?

statistics, show that christianity is infact most violent in how many deaths were caused over history.

muslims have been fucked with and till are, that's why there's violence no?

and every single chapter of the quran kinda begins with 'in the name of god most beneficent most merciful' and mercy is preached towards everyone.

like the definition of a muslim in islam, i'm not kidding, is 'someone who doesn't hurt other people'.

and that's the most important thing isn't it? for people to be safe from other people's harm.

it's up to us to do what is the correct thing to do and that's the chance we're given, all of us, be you born atheist, muslim, or someone who went from one of those to the other, every religion has something to offer just as people do

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things) 49:13

>>729422361
Not necessarily, Pope Francis is actually doing a decent job and the Church I used to go to, while headed by an eccentric is safe.

>>729422984
looks like blood for someone else's hands. God bless!!

>>729422531
>implying
implying what?

>>729422410
Take it easy Stalin, you guys went bankrupt in like '90-'91, remember?

>>729422960
You're confusing religious violence with human violence. There's a difference between explicitly religious motivations to conquer and someone who is religious that conquers.

Americans don't kill in the name of God, they kill and they are Christian. Muslims kill in the name of Allah. It is a disgusting misrepresentation to call Christianity the most violent religion on earth, and you have to be fucking retarded to do so anyway.

>>729423148
>looks like blood for someone else's hands.
more nonsene?

>>729423344
cuz ya people can't push a certain type of propaganda with their actions? can you fuck off now.

>>729423276
*Rape culture*

>>729422713
Because some muzzies out there are just innit because they like God, not this infowars tier shit.

>>729423276
>Finland
>Rape is uncommon
What in the fuck? Sweden I do get, but Finland? Give me a god damn break. Rape is something so rare, that it gets reported on the national media.

>>729422559
You forgot to attribute a lot of christianities credits on there. Crusades for a 'classic' one. A majority of the worlds homophobia another. And of course KKK and their tangerine president.

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>>729423580
God bless.

>>729418563
I think that the old and new testaments came from the same god, but were tailored to lead people at different times for a different level of progression.

>>729423580
>crusades were terrorism
the fucking mental gymnastics never cease to amaze me. they were an act of defense against the prosecution of pilgrims by the Seljuks anyway, but you don't care.

>majority of the world's homophobia
WHAT THE FUCK. LOOK AT THE LAWS OF THE WORLD. CHRISTIANS BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO ACCOMMODATE LGBT, BAKE A CAKE OR FUCK OFF. jesus man how stupid are you

>>729423484
>cuz ya people can't push a certain type of propaganda with their actions?
we don't. on the contrary. we critisice ourselves. muslims lie about themselves passive-aggressively alll the time and never criticised themselves once

>>729423558
yes, they lie because of their violent, xenophobic, war waging "religion". it's not a good thing

>>729423519
>*Rape culture*
aka islam

>>729423580
Libtard detected.

>>729423937
And the western world. I'm Toxic dontcha know

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>>729417510

>>729423887
You're fucking mental dude, there's no way every single muslim on earth follows your bullshit conspiracies, those tactics are primarily used by Wahhabists like Al-Qaeda or ISIS and other cells.

>>729423802
>WHAT THE FUCK. LOOK AT THE LAWS OF THE WORLD. CHRISTIANS BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO ACCOMMODATE LGBT, BAKE A CAKE OR FUCK OFF. jesus man how stupid are you
Not in the least. There might be a few people who happen to not be total fuckwads in spite of their shitty faith, but christianity itself is still demonizing homosexuality.

>>729423276

>adjusted for laws, taboos and rates

What in the fuck does this even mean?

>>729415116
we all meet the same fate...death...but whilst you still are on the green side of the grass, you must ask yourself several question....you origin...where did you come frome...meaning...why are you here...morality...what is good and evil...and finally, where do you go after you die...i subscribe to the judeo/christian belief...as it means you will have life eternal and being able to meet those you loved on the other side of this life.

>>729424195
>muhammad and the successive caliphs were wahhabists

WEW LAD

>>729415612
>were

>>729424231
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
no

you're seriously fucking deluded if you believe muslims are more accepting than christians, how much fucking kool aid have you drank dude

>>729424238
Jews wanna make murder a trend. and it works. They get what they paid for. and it's throw in the dumpster when their done. No ya even in the western world. Ya'll niggas are FREE! Gimme a fucking break I could be shot up rn!

>>729423580
>You forgot to attribute a lot of christianities credits on there.
HAHAHA, there is almost no christian terrorism.
>Crusades for a 'classic' one.
want to compare it with muslim aggressive wars? also the crusades started, because muslims conquered spain and turkey and surrounded europe. europe fought back. and there are far less kills done by crusaders than by aggressive muslim wars before.
>A majority of the worlds homophobia another.
>A majority
you're delusional muslim. christian countries were the first to give homosexuals rights. muslim countries still killing gays today
>KKK
same here. almost no deaths compared to islam terrorism and KKK doesn't kill anymore. muslim killings going on today
and there is not one verse in the gospels you can use to justify this violence. the opposite is the case. jesus forbids all violence. whereas the quran tells you over and over to kill others - and muslims do it

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How will Christians ever recover?

>>729424238
that would be a wonderful thing, wouldn't it

>>729423313
'they kill in the name if allah' lol what

islam has brought so mcuh to the world, yes there are terrorists but they come from poor uneducated countries what do you expect, look at the muslims living in the west, and the muslim countries currently advancing, in a western fashion too. it's a known fact muslims do not back these terrorists and lile islam preach tolerance and are here to move the human race forward, even more so now than it has already done in the past, because it is ahead of its time.

>>729415116

They all do, they're all pretty fucking violent in countries where atheist and agnostic leaders haven't instituted the sinful, evil rule of law.

>>729424231

Muslims literally throw gays off buildings or stone them to death. If you think someone refusing to bake a cake for you is worse then murder then you have brain problems.

>>729424326
Dont put words in my mouth. I said that chart is misrepresenting facts and the ratio of attrocities by convienently not including terrorist acts from other faiths that are obviously such. Are there MORE islamic extremist than other religions? probably. That doesnt make islam bad. That makes EXTREMISM bad. It also makes that fucking chart bad.

Welcome to the info wars.

>>729424195
>there's no way every single muslim on earth follows your bullshit conspiracies
what conspiracies? i wasn't talking about any. muslim kill, because quran tells them to. quran is xenophobic, sexist and tells muslims to wage war against everything different. and they do it. we can see that every day

>>729424568
>it is ahead of its time
wow. don't get me wrong, i like islam, so long as it's in islamic countries. but to claim that islam is..."ahead of its time"...requires some serious brainwashing.

>>729424651
Well first of all, none of what you mentioned in your post were "terrorism". Especially not the crusades lol, so the chart doesn't exclude anything.

Secondly, if there are more extremists from a certain group there must obviously be an underlying cause to such a disproportion. To ignore the cause is just being willfully blind and fucking stupid.

>>729424500
over and over? it's true hell is mentioned a lot and i'm a muslim that doesn't believe in hell but islam stopped so much fucked up shit that was going on at the time and it preaches justice and mercy just as many times as hell is mentioned.

>>729424502
kek'd

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>>729415116
>Same God
The Jewish god was a jew.
The Quaran says Jews are swine.
You are calling Allah a dirty pig.
YOU ARE BLASPHEMING ALLAH, OFF WITH YOUR HEAD YOU DIRTY KAFFIR

>Same Founder
I've been telling Christians that for years, they have a moral duty to kill gays.
"God burns down a whole city (women and children included) simply because they were supposedly homosexual. (Genesis 19:23-25)"

>Same Sort of text
The only part you got right.

>Why can't these Religions [get along and] practice what they preach
Don't overgeneralize you bigot scum. Some of them are practicing exactly what they preach.
No getting along is not part of it.
PIC RELATED

>>729415612
Read the hadith.
>Basically Muhammad biography
>Goes into great detail of such fine muslim traditions as thighing
>Thighing: Your wife is to young to fuck her pussy so put her legs together and fuck her thighs
>Second most holy text in Islam second only to the quran
Other regligions of course have their faults, but at least they admit it and adapt, Mudslims still follow a fucking warlords beliefs from the stone age.
Dont believe me? Chechnya right now, 95% mudslimes, gay camps, MUGH TOLERANT MUDSLIMES!

Check your facts. check your bitches in line. And leave ours ALONE

>>729424267
*Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Wahhab
That faggot was born in the 1700s. Guess how long ago Islam started? Somewhere between the 6th-7th centuries CE.

>>729425030
I was talking about THE Muhammad you fucking retard. He and his generals were conquerors, they very obviously didn't preach peace.

>>729424500
The bible tells you that your daughter should appreciate her lovers donkey sized dick and horse strength ejaculations. And the koran also says that under no circumstance should non hostiles be targetted, never should civilians or their farms/homes/lands be victimized, and that once a war is over violence should stop and accept each other as brothers.

OK.. actually both books say similar things. Because they're both abrahamic religions. The bible has as many violent orders as the koran, and the koran has just as many peace demanding orders as jesus gave.

Now that we know religion is both equal and worthless lets JUDGE PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY FOR THEIR ACTIONS shall we ?

>>729415116
>Why can't these Religions get along and practice what they preach
Because they all see it as a zero-sum game.
For one to grow the others must shrink.

>>729425182
Well then you'll get nowhere bud.

>>729425182
not that guy but trying to clumsily equate the two just because they're "abrahamic" is pretty fucking dumb

judaism is also "abrahamic" but it is literally OG racism. jews are the chosen etc. won't find any of that in christianity or islam. they're all different.

>>729417963
Kek.
>"god to Islam"
>"not a god"
Pick one.

>>729424926
>over and over?
yes. lookie here:
>>729417739
>>729418491
but i'm sure, you already. knew that. i have more, if you want.
>it's true hell is mentioned
i wasn't talking about talk of hell. i was talking about commandments to what muslims should do. it's in the quran and muslims follow it to this day. more then ever. you must be totally delusional, not to see it. but yeah, you're lying. wasn't expecting otherwise from a muslim.
>stopped so much fucked up shit that was going on at the time
time to stop some more shit now. you're the most backward "culture" there is. but you can't, you take the quran as the exact word of god and are not allowed to change your way of life.
>preaches justice and mercy
towards other muslims. not towards anyone, who is different and you know that

>>729424789
the poetry of the qur'an is extremely deep and about love and ofcourse, repeated many times, knowledge and understanding. to comprehend it along with things the prophet said takes high intellect just as it preaches the attainment of just that. it's a religion by smart people (the prophet and his companions part of islam) for smart people, many muslims know this as do people in the west. just as christianity and all other beliefs like atheism are just as well and i stand by keeping such traditions alive, be it here or there. i've done my research and i mean what i'm saying

>>729424739
Except those practices were initially used by early Muslims to avoid persecution, any contemporary usage is Salafist, AKA extremist. Trying to pin that on Muslims is equally retarded to pinning pedophilia on every christian denomination because a few priests touched some kids.

>>729425476
I have no doubt you mean what you're saying, which is exactly why I'm so troubled by it. I know literally nothing I say could possibly change your mind from that garbage, so I'll just leave it.

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lots of whites and muslims in this thread. wheres the other guy?

>>729425533
i think i must've missed the disclaimer in the quran that says *oh yeah guys stop the violence if shit's alright*

>>729425380
no it's not just towards muslims it's towards anyone, and yes i see those verses, the quran is 600 pages thats like a few verses thrown for people that actually understand them and for means of protection and secracy, you can't just blatantly state the truth to people you need to give people the chance to make the right decisions and figure things out. i swear the qur'an preaches peace and love to anyone be they good or bad

it's not the most backward culture take muslims living in the west and countries like emirates that are thriving and hold on to islamic teaching

i have read the qur'an many many times and still need to do very much more to comprehend its beauty, it is infact about beauty and life, any type of goodness you can find it in islam, ofcourse the world can't survive on islam alone and islam isn't for everyone i agree. thanks for your response b/w much better than being ignored

>>729422959
I notice there is a lot of FB memes and charts in here but you cry about the one that goes against your belief. Get fucked faggot.

>>729425124
I get that retard, only he can't practice Wahhabism when it was invented a thousand years after him. Stop listening to what /pol/ says and actually read.

>>729425182
>and that once a war is over violence should stop
quran 8:39
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.
>And the koran also says that under no circumstance should non hostiles be targetted
wrong.
"So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and Allah is with you and will never deprive you of [the reward of] your deeds."
quran 8:59
"And let not those who disbelieve think they will escape. Indeed, they will not cause failure [to Allah ]."
quran 9:123
"O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness.
>actually both books say similar things
no. muhammed perverted it
>Because they're both abrahamic religions.
doesn't say anything about its content
>bible has as many violent orders as the koran
no. quran consists of hostility against non-believers. the bible doesn't. jewish law has some violent rules. but by no means is it as much as in the quran. and quran almost has no other teachings than killing and hostility
>JUDGE PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY FOR THEIR ACTIONS
HAHA, you really want me to judge muslims by their actions? doesn't look very good for your people then. ever read the news? every fucking day, there is muslim violence in the world

>>729426037
You misunderstood the point of my post, which is why we're confused.

You claimed Islam was only violent because of Wahhabism, I said it was violent from the beginning. Which it was.

>>729426026
It was the first one I saw, sue me.

>>729418529
>The same supernatural figure
Okay. This supernatural figure believes in slavery, murder, genocide, etc. etc.'
Since God is omnipotent, and sees everything, he necessarily watches all sorts of abuse, and porn. All porn.
God watches CP.

>>729425934
can you not attach your emotions like that. it's toxic

>>729425533
>Except those practices were initially used by early Muslims to avoid persecution
no. these rules are made to wage war against everybody else in the world, as you can see in the verses i posted. and as we can see, muslims follow it.
>Trying to pin that on Muslims
muslims do this shit every fucking day
>pedophilia on every christian denomination because a few priests touched some kids.
well, difference is, it's not christian rule written down in the bible, so you can't compare it to quran and muslims

>>729425605
change my mind? garbage? why, because i'm not here listening and replying to you?

i accept any truth if it's true, i don't take hypocrisy as an answer nor am i deluded

i am merely here to try and help, and if you don't like being helped then i'll try not to disturb the place you're in, that you're comfortable with, i never resort to anger or hatred

and i'm not just muslim, i listen to people and take what's good from what they say, yes i agree islam has a few bad parts but that's the way things work, truths brought to us by anyone have somethings to fuck with those reading it on purpose. islams good is full of quality and comes in quite the quantity i might add

>>729426167
Funny thing is I used to consider myself a christian before I became too embarassed by how racist/homophobic other christians are. But I still respected all religions so I _actually read_ stuff about them and talked to people.

You seem to be quoting verses which when read in context are meant to apply when at war, and by soldiers against soldiers. Islam doesnt preach weakness against enemies. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. The problem lies that your understanding of the koran is no better than the extremists understanding of their own faith, IE: ZILCH.

Fucking provable idiocy when you take the time to properly educate yourself. Also if the extremist issues was ever dealt with then Islam would be a more universal and peaceful faith than anything other than atheism. A large reason for this is UNLIKE CHRISTIANITY the koran demands that scientific evidence of the world is sacred and meant to replace our previous misheld beliefs. It states explicitely that we do not have all knowledge and we need to be willing to review ourselves.

>>729426446
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

Forgive me for thinking things like these are the result of "forward thinkers". I can only assume you're talking purely philosophically with regards to Islam, because the practicality of it is less than appealing.

>>729426437
[citations needed]

>>729426414
it may seem i'm like some sort of emotional guy that resorts to emotions instead of just being upfront and direct but i assure you i'm not, these are positive feelings, free from negativity or some sort of weakness ad are merily there to make you and i feel better, everything is to be done with love it is the key, and knowledge is what must be sought for it brings power and works hand in hand with love, i love everyone and am not looking to be loved back unless it's presented to me, that's not my goal to convert or to achieve popularity, i'm just a fellow /b/tard here to inform people, like if i had enough money and i'd toss you a bit just for fun, for the good of it, for us. it's good, for all of us

>>729426855
>embarrassed by how racist and homophobic christians are
>defending muslims

fucking holy shit. mental gymnastics are real.

>>729425934
>no it's not just towards muslims it's towards anyone
you're wrong. it clearly says, you should not be friends with non-believers and you should kill them
quran 4:89
So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
quran 4:144
O you who have believed, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give Allah against yourselves a clear case?
quran 5:51 O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.
quran 60:1
O you who have believed, do not take My enemies and your enemies as allies, extending to them affection while they have disbelieved in what came to you of the truth, having driven out the Prophet and yourselves [only] because you believe in Allah , your Lord. If you have come out for jihad in My cause and seeking means to My approval, [take them not as friends]. You confide to them affection, but I am most knowing of what you have concealed and what you have declared. And whoever does it among you has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way.

plus all the verses cited here:
>>729417739
>>729418491
and many many more. i don't see how you can talk yourself out of that shit
>i swear the qur'an preaches peace and love to anyone be they good or bad
no, it doesn't. show me these verses. i read the quran, i know, it's not in there. it's the most xenophobic ideology there is.
>it's not the most backward culture
yes it is. read the quran and look at muslim countries. not only saudi-arabia, pakistan or iran. almost everywhere with a muslim majority.
>it is infact about beauty and life
AHAHAHAHAHAHA, you have to be fucking kidding

All religions are correct, to some extent.
They all tell a pretty similar story, just with different names of the characters/places.
To me it feels like a text that lost its meaning in translation. A misinterpreted idea that was taken too literally.
You'll know what I mean when you discover it for yourself, until then pretend there is a division between religions and that some of us are 'less than' the others

>>729427142
Wow dude.

>>729426179
That's not what I claimed, I claimed practices like taqiyya used maliciously were only done via Wahhabism.

Murder is ok if your white female. jew. or muslim. baby killing chinks Yup even that's a trend. Bitches luv coin slot eyes!!!!!!

>>729426914
that is you being uninformed, why don't you humour me and stop insisting on these negative things, these accusations

like seriously you need to stop for a sec, hate is wrong isn't that what you were saying yourself? i love you and i love your beliefs along with everyone here, not here to disrupt or disturb your peace but rather to share the fruits of what i was bestowed with and achieved, with you

this thread is packed with hate, i thought you guys were promoting good things, is it not wrong to find or to even go further and point out flaws in others? yea when necessary for protection but should not be the sole intention, ridicule

I'm dying alone and you racists can't even admit it cuz i'm white.

>>729427252
No mental gymnastics required unless you are part of the special Olympics.

I defend 'be yourself' and i refute 'pointless prosecution'. Muslims and Islam is not bad. Extremist who dont follow the actual teachings of their own faith are bad but that applies to all religions including christianity.

>>729427696
It's CAUSE i'm white. Motherfuckers!!!!!!!!!!!

>>729415116
>Not the same prophets

Still i see your point.

religion are leaves of culture, only one is the true root

Because they're all too busy trying to prove how big their dicks are

>>729427653
You'll forgive me, but I see no reason not to hate these people
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany
You've not offered anything of substance. My hatred is a direct result of the contact and effect Islam has had on my people.

>>729426855
>Funny thing is I used to consider myself a christian before I became too embarassed by how racist/homophobic other christians are.
i do not believe one word. muslims are the most xenophobic people ever
>You seem to be quoting verses which when read in context are meant to apply when at war
no. i read the quran. it's rules. you cannot interpret the bullshit out of it. they are very clear. and muslims all over the world exactly act like it
>weakness against enemies. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
yes there is, if muslims are the ones who attacked.
>Also if the extremist issues was ever dealt with then Islam would be a more universal and peaceful faith than anything other than atheism.
you have read the quran and still say this? you're delusional and/or a liar
>koran demands that scientific evidence of the world is sacred
is that why it says, that human life begins with a clod of blood? there are provable scientific mistakes in the quran. provable there is aristotelic thought in the quran, which has been proven wrong by science.
>It states explicitely that we do not have all knowledge and we need to be willing to review ourselves.
this doesn't go very well with the fact, that quran says about itself, that it is the exact word of god. that is called dogmatism and the exact opposite, of what you just said

>>729415116
all cant be right. All can be wrong

>>729427943
Oh so it IS a dick measuring contest
>Kill me Cowards

>>729427755
This guy is correct, I'm an ex-catholic who spent nine years in Catholic school. They taught us all about the history of Islam and we watched films too. You faggots are talking about extremists among the Muslims that have caused a giant stir lately and have aimed all your hate on the group of people as a whole.

>>729427056
for what?
i already posted the verses. and that muslims are violent and kill every day is a known fact. just google it. saudi-arabia. terrorism and so on.
need also citation, that pedophilia is NOT in the bible? you're retarded then

>>729427755
Literally what evidence do you have that they AREN'T following their faith. Look at the autist who has been posting verses the whole thread, that is their religion. You can't equate Christian extremism and Islamic extremism just because they're both tied to religion, ONE IS OBVIOUSLY MUCH MORE OF A PROBLEM. Fucking nobody is excusing extremism of any kind except for you, stop absolving them of any blame. They make the choice to act on their religion.

>>729427286
no it says you should not be an 'ally' and non-belief is speaking about those that cause harm to others, to those who are supposed to retaliate, as self defense

now i don't give a shit if you point out a flaw in it i already talked about this, and yes i understand my explanation doesn't hold too much weight i'm ok with that.

i think the worse parts of the qur'an isn't the verses you mentioned but rather the idea of 'hell' and how some people go there, some even believe it's eternal which is mind blowing, the quran gives clues that pain brings reward and that punishment is temporary

so, happy i agree with you?

and about the quran not being entirely about love, if you get through the obstacles then i'm gonna reply in the same manner you are and say no that is incorrect, why should i take too much more effort than you seem to be taking right?

thanks

>>729428152
Uh no faggot, you're talking about Wahhabists killing people.

>>729428109
You're failure to treat Muslims as a group will mean nothing when they always, always will see you as a part of the "other" group. You're seriously blind if you think anything in the West is comparable to what Islam does.

>>729428278
A lot of those are correct though.

>>729428261
you Can break past the barrier of hell.

>>729428335
Never said that fag, I'm merely claiming the shit you pin on Islam is irrational.

>>729427980
hatred is a negative emotion and should be avoided at all times, this is a lesson for 'us' and 'them'

now you don't want to take that path? cool, i'll wait, eventually everyone is guided sooner or later, that's how truth works

i did my part and you do yours, i agreed with some of the points you made and disagreed with other

>>729428526
>an ideological group commits an incredibly disproportionate amount of violence globally
>irrational
my fucking god.

>>729421027
The people in this film are real Muslims
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RmiRPEvUIk
They work hard every day to make Muhammed's vision a reality and bring peace by conversion.
>>729421068
We can't all be right. Which moron are you quoting?

>>729428623
*Wahhabists
It isn't that hard a concept.

Because Christians think they are more dominant than the others.

>>729428714
>Islam has been violent since Muhammad and his Caliphs
>b-but it's just Wahhabists
Fuck off.

>>729421267
Even religion is having a tough time breaking materialism in people.

>>729428781
>muslims want to kill or convert everyone they meet
>but it's the christians

pathetic

>>729428261
>speaking about those that cause harm to others
er, no it doesn't. just read the verses.
>as self defense
"fight them wherever you find them"
"fight them until there is no fitnah"
so, no
>now i don't give a shit if you point out a flaw in it
i know, thatswhy go say the same things for an excuse over and over. you just babble. you don't care if you're right. you are allowed to lie, to deceive and conceil your motives
>i think the worse parts of the qur'an isn't the verses you mentioned but rather the idea of 'hell
i don't think so. hell doesn't exist, so who cares. but telling people to kill others, to hate everybody else, to subjugate others, to be sexist and wage war is far worse. BECAUSE PEOPLE DO IT. and they really do. just look at muslim countries and terrorism. what is there to defend and talk about beauty of the quran and its peacefulness. it's just bullshit you're talking
>so, happy i agree with you?
where do we agree?
>and about the quran not being entirely about love
it's about hate in most parts, sorry dude and about love to non-believers exactly fucking nowhere

>>729428831
Religion of all kind is the cure for materialism I think. The logical conclusion of atheism is hedonism and nihilism, which inevitably leads to materialism. When humans believe in a higher purpose we strive to be greater.

Bitches just NEED a white boi to masquerade as their father to hate............ am i wrong? sad truth never will i be.......

>>729415388
>>729418491
And I can list as many Bible verses that promotes slavery, cannibalism, and murder. KEK All religions have violence, fucking Jesus.

>>729428278
>>729428445
I guess you don't understand bingo.

>>729428875
>muslims
>implying all Muslims do that

>>729428177
You're still an idiot. Im not excusing extremism. Im excusing Islam and Muslims. The extremist ARE NOT REAL MUSLIMS. Their actions dont follow the meaning and teaching of the koran. They are taking verses in there that are only meant to apply in combat situations and applying them in all facets of life. They are holding prejudices outside of war when their faith says not to.

I'm not even Islamic. I just hate wrongful persecution and thats what you're doing. Persecute extremist. Dont persecute muslims.

>>729415116
>Same God
lol no. Jewish God is too lax, Jesus God is lax but also willing to do shit when it matters, Islam God is just a jerk.

>Same Founder
WTF? how retrded are you? Muhhamad, Jesus, and Moses are not the same people.

>Same Sort of text
Koran: go forth and murder the infadels
Bible: go forth and spread the good word
Jewish bible: go forth and follow my laws

>Why can't these Religions get along...
because they are VERY different from one another.
>and practice what they preach
they do practice what they preach. Christians typically do good deeds unto men and love their neighbour, muslims either kill the infadels or ignore that part and act as a decent pseudo-jew, jews dont really practice much.

>>729429192
>the comment i replied to made sweeping generalizations
>so i made sweeping generalizations

no fucking shit all Muslims don't do that retard, do you think you're intelligent for saying that?

Suspended Cognitive Development. They can't think logically older than a child of age 10.

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>>729429231
Christians typically do good deeds unto men and love their neighbourr

Are you retarded?

>>729428318
afghanistan, iraq, pakistan, iran, sudan, jemen, nigeria, somalia, Malaysia, the Maldives and so on. are you even trying?

>>729429195
Explain how they aren't real Muslims. Look at all the verses that have been posted in the thread, explain how they - and literally every caliph since Muhammad, have actually not been real Muslims.

Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? The more complicated an explanation you have to make, the less likely it's true.

>>729429231
Killing homos is not lax

>>729429195
the very word muslim implies superiority
Kys

>>729429314
Yeah I am. The Bible is just as worse as the Quran. It's a fact that we can all agree on. Unless you're an extremist or a tard.

>>729415116
Okay look. One fucking thing. Religions are not about gods, faith or any shit like that. It's about creating something we have in common, something that is a part of our culture. That's why Islam and democracy doesn't work.

>>729429065
>And I can list as many Bible verses that promotes slavery, cannibalism, and murder.
HAHAHA, just fucking do it already

>>729428795
Not my fault you received a poor education on the concept, Muhammad was merely defending his band of religious followers, and took Mecca with little bloodshed via conversion. Additionally you're assuming violence= evil. There were a lot of anti-muslims in the early days of Islam, they did what they had to do to ensure their survival. Modern terrorism is only a symptom of Wahhabism that spawned from the 18th century and gained traction during the formation of the muslim brotherhood in the 20th.

>>729429461
>explicit calls to war in the Quran, "love thy neighbor" in Christianity
>dude all religions are the same lmao
You're a retard, honestly.

also
>bible is just as worse
You're not intelligent if that's how you speak.

>>729429425


That's the inverse relation to Occam's razor. Simple = truer.

>>729429231
They practice business. Dawwwg

>>729429479
You think I'm here to educate you? Look it up yourself faggot. What you say will mean nothing behind all the evidence/facts lies ahead, check it out Tard. Im watching the hockey game now

>>729429425
They are real Muslims. In the same way IRA terrorists were also real Christians.

>>729429464
That got more retarded with each sentence. Congrats.

>>729429461
Sounds like libtard jew apologist bullshit to me.

I don't recall the last time a christian drove a truck through a crowd in sweden.

>>729429397
Yeah, all those faggots are Wahhabist extremist groups, try again.

>>729429577
Have you read the bible? Seriously you have to be a retard right now

>>729429561
There was plenty of anti-Christian sentiment in it's days of inception, do you see any calls to war written in its texts? And do you seriously think every successive conquest by the Caliphs was done for good reasons?

It's bitterly ironic that people like you will accuse me of being uneducated, I know I'm nothing special but you and your kind of apologists are just fucking brain dead morons.

>>729429352
no. the bad cases are statistically the vast minority, often a result of political taint and not the actual convictions of the faith itself. Try reading the book of matthew and the book of romans if you want to know what actual christianity stands for.

I expect you wont though, and that's disappointing.

Because the jews feel the need to turn the other two against each other

The jews are superior in every way

ZIONIST DISCORD

https://discord.gg/v3eVb5R

>>729421461
>everyone has a different interpretation
3/4 of muslims believe there is only one correct interpretation of islam. Who are you to say otherwise?
All these religions have a few things in common.
If there is a god... GOD HATES FAGS. Prove me wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXbwmINpGJA
Maybe Christians, Jews, and Muslims can get together in accomplishing a homo-free environment.

>>729429464
Jesus wants to build. satan wants to destroy
why is this black and white world so hard to comprehend?

>>729429425
Because you are taking a snippet of information and claiming its the entire rule. Those verses of violence are (surprise) surrounded by a lot of other versus that state when they are applicable. Needless to say that mentality is the one soldiers are meant to take against other soldiers while at war. To not show weakness or feel pity as you do your duty. That is a very logical thing for a SOLDIER to have as a mindset. Its not meant to be the mindset of civilians or outside of war.

>>729429065
violence in the bible is mostly a recount of people's versions of violent incidents.
the violence in the koran is prescriptive, it lays out violent acts that should be perpetrated against groups of people.

>>729415116
Jews think they are the chosen so everyone else isn't. Christians never live up to the standard they preach but will still you off. And Muslims have been whiny pedos since Hagar and Ishmael were kicked out of the Jewish tribe they were in and vowed vengeance.

>>729428936
those are translations, and yes you've heard this before but it's part of a bigger thing, the context, the book is peaceful for the most part, and ofcourse you'd want some proofs and i admit i didn't memorize the quran so i'll let that be for now, if you wanna like research it with me we can exchange information to furth discuss this, yea i'm scared of posting my email here if only there was a way lol

the quran talks about not invading peoples rights and to do everything with justice just as God would, you keep posting the same verses

what lying, babble? come on

fuck if you don't believe me man, you don't offend me i'm just here, like some osrt of equal, trying to inform, because that's what i like to do and what i'm good at, i've studied islam my whole life and it is good, i'm sure you'd like it if you saw it in it's more accurate form, to understand why and comprehend

yes we agree whether you like it or not, i'm on your side, i'm here to appreciate you and what you offer, it's not surprising how you're reacting b/w, with my experience this is the way things turn out all most every time, now i didn't want to point that out to hurt your feelings but you just kept going so there, that's the truth, i haven't given up though, won't stop replying until you start getting scared or something of that nature

>>729429436
how many homosexuals have been killed by chrisinity in all of history anon?
Please provide the source too so i can fact check it.

>>729429719
You've explained nothing.

>>729429672
Oh did the IRA bomb people in the name of Jesus? I must've missed that part. They were Christians who were fighting a war, they killed to free their country, not for God. How do people not understand the difference?

>>729429616
the sheeple goes BAA

>>729429585
Effectively the same, just explained inversely.

>>729415116
>get along with walking soaps and sandniggers

>>729429616
>promotes cannibalism
you really think, there is something like that in the bible? you guys are delusional
>murder
thou shalt not kill, ever heard of that?
>promotes slavery
muslims were the greates slave trader EVER in human history. the quran says it's normal to have slaves. the gospels clearly condemn slavery
the quran has all this things AS CONCRETE RULES

>>729429719
I'm guessing you are focussing on the mosaic laws, right?
fun fact: christians dont follow that shit. OT is for context and history, it is not what we practice.

>>729429880
With retarded reasoning like that, Germany is still Nazi Germany because they did bad shit in the past.

>>729429842
Again, you haven't explained why the result of Islam was an explosion of conquest by the religious leaders. It's reassuring that when they "fight disbelievers wherever you find them" they will be unflinching when they try and kill me.

>>729429753
Not apologist, just better educated. Where did you get your education? Public School? If so then it's no wonder you're inept at discussing this topic, Socialism truly is the greatest evil in this world.

>>729429897
The war was highly religiously motivated, yes. The political motivations drove the religious motivations, and the religious motivations drove the political motivations, there's no clear separation. Between two sects of Christianity, no less.

Kind of like how most victims of Islamic terrorism are Muslims. Islamic extremists also have political ideologies attached to their actions, it's not just for their God. Again, the political motivations drive the religious motivations, and vice versa.

>>729430052
nice attempt at dodging the question moron.
now please provide the numbers or it never happened and can't be used as a legitimate argument.

It is an appeal to emotion either way.

>>729429880
I was refferring to judaism

>>729430200
>completely aborted the discussion and just insulted me

another win for the good guys

>>729430231
>The war was highly religiously motivated, yes.
nope. The motivation was political, the religion was just dragged along for the ride.

>>729430039
>thou shall not murder

lel

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

This promotes to kill the nonbelievers

>>729425766
Guarantee you haven't actually read it..

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>>729429715
>Wahhabism
so lets see, what we were talking about: i said:
>>729423887
>violent, xenophobic, war waging "religion"
you answered:
>those tactics are primarily used by Wahhabists like Al-Qaeda or ISIS and other cells.
this shit IS the quran. it's applied everywhere, where sharia law is applied. not only wahabists do this. this is islam. and muslims follow it, and not only wahabists, but muslims around the world

>>729430069
>haven't explained why the result of Islam was an explosion of conquest
Exactly what needs explaining? POLITICAL LEADERS FROM EVERY NATION were expansionists prior to the entire planet being properly mapped and colonized.

Thats a politics / government issue. Nothing to do with religion other than using it as an excuse.

>>729430200
>Better educated.
you get some new founding knowledge out of your murders?

>>729429880
Not nearly as many as Muslims

>>729430231
If you're referring to the Protestant/Catholic divide as a "religious" motivation for the war I guess you're sort of correct. The war was due to the social chaffing caused by the two different beliefs, neither side really killed *because* of their beliefs, they killed because they wanted to be with their own.

But at least someone finally acknowledged the religious motivation for Muslim conquests, and you're absolutely correct that they are tied with political reasons. The problem is too many people ignore the religious motivation.

i'ma start looking for verses if i can find anything else like this one, proof is obviously very important so i want to do just that

"(Muhammad), We have sent you for no other reason but to be a mercy for mankind."
21:107.

>>729430558
You're ignoring the reason for these conquests. The Caliphs were the religious leaders of the Islamic world, they conquered half of the known world for Allah. Do you not see any difference in say, Norman motivations for conquering England?

>>729428936
>fitnah
Fitnah means struggle in case you didn't know, so you sort of proved his point there.

>>729430320
You've already done that and declaring yourself the winner only cements your ignorance. Furthermore it wasn't an insult because I'm criticizing a factor that isn't your fault. But if you want a closing statement then plain and simple, Islam is not inherently violent, rather various interpreters and power fiends were/are.

>>729430410
>was to be put to death
narration, not commandment.
>This promotes to kill the nonbelievers
no, it says, it has been done by these people, the story is telling about
quran has this shit as rules and they apply it

>>729430789
>thinks my humor is serious
lol

>>729430593
>Not nearly as many as Muslims
DUH!!!!!!!!
FUCK THIS WORLD YOUR ALL FUCKING STUPID FUCK THIS THREAD IT'S FUCKING RETARDED

>>729430738
The reason was 'governments are greedy bastards'. God was an excuse, not a reason. They did it for their own greed and nothing else.

>>729430884
You're very blind if you believe that. Obviously there were political motivations, but stop ignoring the ideological foundation.

>>729430200
Um he's still right you ignoble douche. Muslims have a call to war in text. Christians have waged wars in gods name to but it's not written into their scripture. Both were spread by the sword but one allows it in writing. It's the legacy of Hagar.

>>729430311
You mean biblical judaism?
Gone extinct, only neo-judaism remains.

God being against hatred in the qur'an:

"Or do those in whose hearts is disease think that Allah would never expose their [feelings of] hatred?" 47:29

God in the Qur'an never says he hates anyone, just says that he 'does not love them'

>>729430557
No, taqiyya and other such practices were merely tools for concealment, Islam is not inherently violent, only extreme adherents.

>>729430637
but what is that mercy? if you read the quran, you get the idea, what muhammed was sent for. killing, war waging, xenophobia, sexism. if the quran calls that mercy, than it just says about islam, that it has a twisted concept of mercy.

>>729415116
Because they rely on the absolute authority of that God. If the rules are inconsistent, then SOMEONE is using God's authortiy to push something that isn't God's will. The alternative, is that God is inconsistent, or worse not real. None of these possibilities are acceptible.

>>729430789
Stop. with attaching. of Thee emotions!!!!! BRUH

>>729430602
I feel that the religious motivations are important, but the point is that Islam is not the only religion that has had atrocities committed in its name.

It's definitely the most common in this day and age, but it bothers me when people treat it as if it's a one of a kind thing, that no other religion has any comparison.

I'm not so much a Muslim sympathizer as someone who feels all religion should be getting the same kind of scrutiny and mistrust. The only reason Islam is getting so much shit compared to the other ones is that it's the hot button issue right now. But historically, it's not the only one, and there's nothing inherently special about it.

>>729431283
I can sympathize with your position, but you're really incorrect in thinking Islam hasn't been a problem since it's inception. Muhammad himself was a (very good) general, and all of his successive Caliphs waged war in God's name. War is inherent to the ideology, which in some ways I actually admire, just not when it comes to my home shores.

>>729430754
in this context, it means division or discord. so, it means, you have to fight, until there is nobody who is not muslim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(word)#Mentioning_in_Quran

>>729431008
A concept of which you seem to misunderstand. References to war are meant solely to fight oppression, in essence a defence dogma. Anything anyone does with it is on the head of the perpetrator, not the book. Please educate yourself through unbiased means.

I can't have 9 wives and an orgy. you know why. I know why you just won't say it. I'm white. I'm fucking white god damnit.

>>729431664
Where does it say that?

>>729423124
hello jidf

how do i join your cause?

>>729421699
1) All muslims believe in Islam.
2) Mohammed is the prophet of islam, God's Messenger according to Islamic doctrine
3) In AD 627, Muhammad commited genocide on the last Jewish tribe in Medina: He beheaded the men and the pubescent boys and enslaved the women and children.

Muslims revere a murderous genocidal slave-owning pedophile.

Sadiq Khan, the democratically elected mayor of London certainly represents a good number of educated muslims; he says moderate muslims are uncle toms.
On that, I do agree with Sadiq Khan.
If Europe doesn't stop the onslaught of military aged men with conflicted ideologies, European civilization is finished.

>>729431082
ok like i said, if you're not gonna put any effort in your post neither will it, i'm not gonna bend over backwards for you if you're not being reasonable

if what you're saying is true islam wouldn't have been so successful

here ya go, got lucky i remembered this one for once lol

"So by mercy from Allah , [O Muhammad], you were lenient with them. And if you had been rude [in speech] and harsh in heart, they would have disbanded from about you. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult them in the matter. And when you have decided, then rely upon Allah . Indeed, Allah loves those who rely [upon Him]." 3:159

>>729431065
>taqiyya and other such practices were merely tools for concealment
i wasn't talking about taqiyya (and yes, muslims do it all the time, like you right now).
>Islam is not inherently violent
yes, it fucking is. read the quran. read here:
>>729417739
>>729418491
>>729421283
>>729426167
>>729422274
it IS the most violent and xenophobic ideology that ever existed. quran shows that and actual muslim behaviour shows it