So a retarded friend of mine has discovered the Chemtrail Conspiracy

>>729007196

>What's /b/'s solution to stop my friend from wearing a tinfoil hat?
beat him with a stick until he stops breathing

>>729007500
seconded.
- the secret chemtrail society

>>729007196
moron, you see those little microplanes that do it for a long trail then disappear and reappear half way across the globe? that is the chemtrails

>>729007196
You think it isn't real because you just don't know and will never know because you aren't allowed to know about it, you're a lower class human

>>729007196

Show him this link OP:

http://thevane.gawker.com/why-i-write-about-and-debunk-the-chemtrail-conspiracy-1581896346

>>729007637

You can also benefit from reading the above link you tool...

>>729007637
You have no sense of scale and no knowledge of fuel composition.

>>729007196
>What's /b/'s solution to stop my friend from wearing a tinfoil hat?
You can't help him. These people have a mental deficiency that cannot be fixed.

>>729007196

wtf are chemtrails?

>>729007792
>>729007853
You think you're smart both of you suck your own cocks l bet, you dumb wannabes. Calling yourself intelligent doesn't make you smart. Neither of you have any idea about anything in life and have your head up your ass you spektic freaks l bet you would believe it if it was on the television fools you are the tool.

>>729007196
Chemtrails is real idiot.
Google: Geoengineering and HAARP
Also watch the sky every day.
I know it's a huge redpill but sadly it's true.

>>729007196

Tell him the Earth is flat, too.

>>729007196

is this the group you're referring to OP?

fb .com /ChemtrailsProjectUK/

>>729008190

Fucking moron

>>729008066
Retards believe that exhaust from planes is really poison and it is part of some plan for the government to kill/control us.

>>729007792
do you really need people to check that link? can't debunk stuff yourself?

>>729008206

Yup that's the one

>>729008223
vaggot

>>729008122
For proving something, you need arguments, not insults.

>>729007792

Cheers Anon, article gives easy reading...let's hope he can read though...

>>729008190
Do you think Queen Liz is a reptilian?

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>>729008206

OH LORD that facebook group is full of nutjobs, easy trolling targets.....

>>729008530
Thank you, I'm saving this.

>>729008530

top kek

>>729008223
>>729008491
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NhQUbuQIH44

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>>729008206
>>729008543

>>729008543
15,731 people like this and 15,288 people follow this
>We're all fucking doomed.

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>>729007196
throw him out of a plane.

>>729007792
This is actually a good page for explaining the science in a simple way.

OP, get your friend to understand the real science of stuff. That's the only way he'll realize he's a fucking retard.

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OH FUCKING HELL

>>729008336
It is probably written by the government to make us less concerned, meaning it is a hazard to us all and we should take it more seriously. So the question is... what is the game plan? How do we get fresh air when all the air is poison?

>>729008530
Isn't school that place where (((the government))) tells you what to believe and what not so you can't think for yourself anymore and be a good working slave?

Those tinfoil hats must be ripped from their heads if you're to save your friend's sanity.

Red pill him.

>>729009149
omg!!!!! oh noes!!!! oh fucking hell!!!!

fucking clouds drama queen you faggot

>>729009149

LOL they think morning glory clouds are man made despite being witnessed before planes were around...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_Glory_cloud#History_of_exploration

>>729009195
Well if you continue studying science you can learn about how to verify or refute analysis of raw data and realize that nothing is published in science if there's anything that can be refuted by any of multiple scientists in that field of study. Then you realize that there's now this massive disconnect between people who know how science is done and what science says, and lay people who only know about pop-science and unverified claims of conspiracy theories without caring enough to test them or acknowledge tests done by actual scientists.

People who scream tinfoil hat ITT are either low IQ bluepilled kids or paid government shills.

>>729008711

>citing YT videos as scientific evidence

>>729009584
But everything scientists believe are just theories. What you have learned are basically theories of another person that seem to make sense.
I studied quantum physics btw.

>>729009593
>mfw I'm trying to get a government job doing science (astrophysics)
kek, I could tell you about real shit that's classified or formerly classified that actually impacts the public and here you are screaming about condensation and aliens.

>>729009584
Aren't scientists working with the government? Aren't all facts supplied by the government? We need to go beyond facts in this matter.

>>729009584
A rational statement on /b/?
Maybe we're not so fucking doomed after all.

>>729009807
That classified stuff was made up to distract us from the aliens. Don't believe it. Aliens are evil. The government is evil. They are probably working together. Hangar 18. I know too much.

>>729009827
>scientists working with the government.
which government? every scientist?

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>>729009996
Exactly. Every scientist. They were taught to spread us lies. If someone is a scientist, don't trust them, they are as bad as the psychiatrists.

>>729009800
Astrophys and math here mate.
Yeah, the most science can produce are speculated conclusions based off of observations of reality (data) that can be repeated and thoroughly tested by anyone else. If there is no evidence that a proposed theory is wrong and it can effectively predict future occurrences then it stays as a working explanation. If evidence is found that refutes part or all of a previous explanation (formula, process, model, theory, etc.) that explanation must be able to incorporate the new evidence or be discarded in the scenario where that evidence is found.

You should know that you don't use wave functions and quantum mechanics when working on the macro scale and you don't use relativity for small sizes and speeds but they are still valid for describing reality in their threshold.

>>729009856
I know right, what the fuck am I doing here at 5 in the morning.

>>729009905
How much meth are you doing right now?

so many bluepilled idiots here, maybe you should try to free your mind and clean your pineal gland from all the fluoride.

>>729009827
"We need to go beyond facts"
>Am I the only one who sees something wrong here?

>>729010191
>mentally unstable person who thinks psychiatrists are liars
Gee what a surprise!

>>729010252
None, I stay off all drugs. My mind must be always active in the event the government attacks us. Drugs are for those that wish to escape reality, I wish to know true reality. Drugs are a mind control weapon created by the government.

>>729010276
>fluoride
kek, but then how will I keep my white and shiny smile. I could do without the uranium in my local water supply but that'll be fixed once I move away from a military test ground.

>>729010276
So your saying I need to wash out a toothpaste ingredient out of my brain?

Also, saying we are 'blue pilled' is one of the most cop out insults I have ever read

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ITT Poe's Law

>>729010298
Facts are lies. Plain and simple. When your government is the one giving you facts, how can you know them to be true facts. Look up the Mandella Effect. The government is changing things, like the name of the Barenstein Bears and the Star Wars movies. The only things we can trust are that which we can see, and even that is a lie as all perception is made by our brain and our brain is being affected by chemicals from the government.

>>729010364
They are! They like to give you happy pills and blind you from reality. They love to fix your concerns and make you think everything is wonderful in this society. If you don't, they lock you up in a concentration camp. You can't actually believe the ones in there are insane, can you?

>>729010571
So your saying the mean old government is changing the name of TV shows just for keks?
Are you inbred?

sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple

>>729010703
Not for keks. They are doing it because some of us will remember the old way, causing confusion. They want mass confusion as we argue with you about the name of a family of bears so they can spread chemicals into the air.

Define inbred.

>>729010673
Your 'reality' consists of unproven, unbiased myths spread around by the mentally ill.

BRAINWASH

>>729010804
>hurr I can paste a meaningless word that can be applied to any group of people over and over again
Just inhale some evil government fumes and die already

>>729010851
Maybe the mentally ill are just those that know too much and the government want to shut up. Maybe they are actually the geniuses of our species, locked up before they have a chance and heavily guarded.

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Show him a picture of rhese WW2 bombers "altering" Japans weather patterns.

They spray the whole sky like every 3 days in germany.

MIND CONTROL

>>729010571
We're moving quickly into DSM-5 land.
>I'm gonna go brush my teeth and watch a movie.

>>729007196
Encourage him until he does something stupid and gets hurt or jailed

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It's no myth anons

Space preservation act of 2001
https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/house-bill/2977/text

>>729010963
Maybe I'm a god, maybe I can fly, must be true because it might be true right?

>>729008122
Not so fast Mr. Dubs

>>729009195
Public oversight

Your country will soon have none

>>729011089
Toothpaste is mind control. That movie will brainwash you. Can't you see that the reason people die is because the government decides to kill them? Old age is a myth, diseases are lies created by the government. Yet you would defend innocents dying, your family dying, you eventually being killed.

>>729011149
Potentially you could. But you are grounded in a simulation created by the government where you no longer are a god and no longer can fly, so you accept both as a truth, thus losing your ability to fly or be a god.

>>729009149
The primitives' monkey brain can't comprehend
A FUCKING CLOUD

>>729011227
Can't you see this isn't about countries? This is a worldwide control factor, us versus them, where they are those in power who plan to make us mindless servants while they migrate to the moon.

>>729010963
i believe the same, they get "mentally ill" from knowing too much.
if you are seeking the truth for a very long time, you will come across some really shocking facts.
some people can't take huge redpills.
they try to convince the brainwashed people with facts that sound too crazy for a person who never seeked the truth.
that's why they will believe you're crazy.
they can't think outside the box.

>>729011295
And where's the proof for that?
(Ten bucks on that its either mk ultra, the boogeyman or something involving a third eye)

>>729007196
Tell him this:

If chemtrails are real, why aren't the powerful and rich wearing a gas mask or something of sorts 24/7?
you'd think they would.

>>729009800
Well, you can certainly differentiate between degrees of validity of knowledge. We're working with correlative mathematical models, but they rock and helped us get to the moon. The question is how to tell bullshit from valid theory, and that's why we use the scientific method

>>729011503

see
>>729011097

>>729011421
Exactly. People believe they understand everything, know everything. They were taught in school, so it must be right. There must have been a Roman Empire because all these people who have been here before said so. Anyone who questions is ousted.

Here is a quick gestalt of it for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xlt0FXMUeo

>>729011556
>helped us get to the moon.
suuuuuure they did. we never went to the moon open your eyes sheeple

>>729011503
You dont hang out in the crazy section of facebook but the answer is usually nanobots

>>729011707
Are you saying I'm a CIA nigger?

>>729011500
I can't give proof. How can you prove you are in a simulation? I can't. But explain how we have been living in terror for quite a bit of time while no World War 3 has broken out. We have things that can destroy the world, people who don't care about their own life and wishes others dead do as well, but yet somehow nobody uses them. How can we not have had a nihilist leader or some country with a nihilist philosophy? When a press of the button can destroy the world, what has prevented it?

>>729011556
You can't prove that people were on the moon.

>>729011618
So they imply that ANYONE who goes to work on flying planes handles chemtrails?

a bit risky to let someone fresh just handle a "toxic" or "dna altering" substance


Also, you do know that "chemtrails" does not only apply to this wacky conspiracy theory, right?
it can apply to weapons that i think were also used on WW2 or 1, planes dropping toxic substances onto the troops below.

>>729011918
You can't prove I'm not a robot

"The first step to free your mind is to forget everything you believe to know as a fact."

>>729012010
>>729011918
you can't prove that reality is not actually 'real' and that we're not on a simulation made by anime characters to worship them

>>729012089
So... essentially just become stupid?

Man I'm shocked you guys don't believe this, 4chan always jumps on the 'alternative' bandwagon

>>729011644
Not same anon you replied to, but this. People are so closed up in this little world being shaped around them that they immediately dismiss any ideas that pull it into question as madness. Not every 'conspiracy' can be true, but you can't condemn someone for believing in their merits.

Also, it's sad the ambience the word "conspiracy" has around it. Another example of people refusing to listen to questions.

>>729012010
you got it anon
i'm proud of you.
you have learned your first lession:
you know nothing, and nothing is as it seems to be.

>>729007196
If chemtrails are a big conspiracy, why aren't they doing it at night when nobody can see? Why would they be doing it during the day??

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>>729011677
>>729011677

OH FFS This is probably why my friend is into this shit in the first place, he bums Alex Jones to fuck but wouldn't of thought that nutjob would be into this conspiracy...

>>729011421
Except stupid people can be mentally ill as well. As evidenced by this thread.

>>729011644
I get it that your education in murica isnt the best. But where I live, education isnt just memorizing facts, here we learn by making the observation by ourselfes and experimenting by ourselfes. Thats how that works and thats why science is not a religion and thats why you (probably) dont live in a cave.

You are the one that just believes what he is told, because the only evidence you have for your "truth" is your unreliable logic and your inability to question what you believe.

>>729012278
Alex Jones said on Joe Rogan's podcast he doesn't believe in chemtrails.

>>729012263
to block the sunlight for whatever reason.
they also don't care to do it at the day because they control the so called "public opinion"

>>729008190
Google the contrail layer. Fucking pilots 70 years ago knew this. The West is doomed. Why worry that AI will take over? You're all fucked already.

>>729012214
No, not every conspiracy can be true, but there are reasons to question and wonder. Conspiracy is used as stigma, it is a bad thing to believe them. Society is made of people that want to do no wrong, at least not visibly. The government creates society and runs the rules. Society says conspiracy is bad. Thus nobody questions or else is ousted.

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>>729012403

Haha so my friend has gone beyond Alex Jones' level of conspiracy, which is shit coz it means my friend is in too deep...

>>729012492

damn straight...those chems go right to the public opinion receptor of the brains.

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>>729011421
>>729011707
>>729011918
These are the most aggressively retarded arguments I've ever seen

>>729012328
But the problem is that your facts are entirely based on what you can see. If you see something, it must be true to you, even though the mind just perceives what it wants to perceive. We are living on a bed of lies, who knows what the truth is. All I know is that it isn't what we are told or think we know.

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>>729012579
Everything you've posted so far leads me to believe that you've been lobotomized

>>729011992
No, they don't imply that at all. It's encompassing WEAPONIZED substances spread through the use of chemtrails. This is an act instated by the government which proves their existence in black and white, and yet you say it does not apply to the subject this thread was started on?

Obviously not every plane on the planet spreads toxic substances, what would be the use in that? But this alone proves it's no 'wacky conspiracy theory'. I never assumed their applications in the modern day, but why are you so insistent on denying the existence of these possible applications when it's included in an act produced just 16 years ago?

>>729012628
are you really this retarted that i have to explain everything to you?
they control the public opinion over the media (television, newspaper, official news websites, commercials) they think "if it's not in the media, it's not true at all"
but the media is actually the governments propaganda machine.

>>729012862
>tfw all your ideas get blown away so you question if objective truth itself exists

>>729012962
See, you're spouting all these BS opinions. We can do this all day, or you can start providing evidence.

>>729011503
How would you know if they do or dont?
Do you ever see those people with your own eyes?

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>>729012579
Agreed.

>>729012579
You do know that science is based on questioning everything? basicly everything that einstein predicted has been prove to be true, but the things that have not been proven are still treated as hypothesis'. You are not a scientist if you simply know facts. You are one if you look at the world and ask why things are like they are.

But these idiots think they question what they are told, when in reality all they do is denying everything they dont like.

>>729012883
Who did the lobotomy? I know I am less smart than I could be, the government is who I have to thank for that.

>>729007196
A buddy of mine discovered he's Jewish because his birth mom was like a quarter, he's joined the faith and met some dude who's convinced him of the chemtrail, flat Earth and we never went to the moon conspiracies. I pretty much lost him as my friend. Last one I had, got none now. Oh well. Sucks to be me.

>>729012403
But he also said he believes and knows atmospheric manipulation and weather manipulation does happen

Procrastinating writing my phd thesis in physics. Saw this thread.

>>729009800
'I studied quantum physics btw.' hahaha. No you didn't. Unless you can - at minimum - solve for the hydorgen atom and SHO you haven't done jack shit and really you need QFT. You are a retard.

"but everything scientists believe are just theories. What you have learned are basically theories of another person that seem to make sense."

Not true. I have taken that Newton's laws, GR, the fact that speed of light is fastest speed, the Schrodinger equation, Boltzmann equation with assumption of molecular chaos, the 3 laws of thermodynamics, and Maxwell's equations cannot be self consistently proven or proven from more simple theories and are experimental facts. I have recreated the fundimental experiments to establish all these basic experimental laws - as has anyone who had a good physics education,

The rest is all verifiable and proven from the assumption that the above laws are a reasonable description of the real world.

Fuck you wasting your life and thinking you opinion is important. I have done the work. And more importantly, the giant shoulders I stand on have done the work while idiots like you talk stupid shit. Go Die.

>>729013213
kys then nigger

>>729008334
Its not even exhaust, it's the cold wings condensing the water vapour in the upper atmosphere.

>>729013035
I'm arguing their existence as both a general concept and as a weapon, and I provided the evidence taken directly from your government, which proves that argument correct. So I ask you anon, did you actually read the post + page linked or are you still in such denial of facts even when they're shoved down your throat?

The chinese admitted YEARS ago they were "cloud seeding", weather manipulation. Its a fact, its been well known for quite some time. Is it dna altering chemicals? Prob not, but weather manipulation via high alt planes has been going on in EVERY country for quite some time. If you dont believe it, google it, stop being stupid ass 4chinners and expand your knowledge base.

>>729013164
>I am less smart than I could be

You aren't wrong there

>>729007196
Brutally murder him with a shovel

>>729011097
...so basically all my inventions are a violation of the exotic weapons clause, good thing i never published anything on them or applied for patents.

>>729013164
I bet you're the kind of person that goes on a walk, trips and falls, and blames the city. You're dumb and you're looking for every reason why EXCEPT realizing that its just you. You're just stupid.

> put stuff in the air
> now have to wear mask every time i'm outside among the sheeple.

> put stuff in food and water
> only drink packaged spring water
> only eat high class food that hasn't been poisoned

Which seems easier to pull off?

>>729007196
>climb a really tall snow covered mountain
>cold as shit, below freezing point
>can see your own breath at human body temp 37C
>take a jet engine that burns 900C to the same altitude
>GEE IT MUST BE A NWO CONSPIRACY THAT I CAN SEE MY 37C BREATH AND A 900C ENGINE

>>729012862
That is not true. A scientific fact is not proven just because your own eyes can see it.

An apple isnt proven to be red because it looks red to you, it is proven to be red when 20 other people say it is red, when the wavelength of the light is measured to have the right wavelength and amplitude AND if several other independent experiments say it is red.

In science eye wittness evidence is probably the most unreliable form of evidence.

Yet it is the only evidence you can deliver and thats why noone takes you seriously.

>>729013153
Questions the government. You are allowed to question within the simulation, base facts upon what you are shown. You are essentially making up laws for the government to pass as parts of reality, verifying its very existence. Say someone creates a simulation with a lot of random integers and rules that barely make any sense. Your job is to put them together. It is a good diversion for you, plus a good diversion when you bring those facts to the public. Until we can guarantee what we can sense is indeed true, how can we even know that much to be valid? You could be a false-human created by the simulation, the government might not be doing chem trails and instead be using that as a distraction for something more sinister, it is very uncertain. All I promote is playing devil's advocate and questioning those that may sound insane before declaring them insane. There might be more to this reality than anyone could imagine, even a conspiracy theorist. I am not saying I have more of an idea what is going on in this world, I don't have a massive ego. I am just saying we cannot accept as fact what could be based on false perception.

>>729013266
hey, is the earth round or flat in your opinion? and how would you prove it?

>>729011644
Nobody even mentions the hollow conspiracy which allowed America's corporate interests to perpetuate the shinigami myth across japan and execute foreign control in 1698, decades before becoming an actual "country".

>>729013153
As a scientist, do you consider Windows 10 to be a botnet? Or is that another conspiracy theory?

>>729013266
That typo really weakened your argument. And I agree with you. You should probably put off finishing your thesis for today.

>>729012010
Exactly anon, exactly. Open your eyes sheeple. Not that what you see will make you want to stay conscious.

>>729013711
The problem is that those other people could just be as blinded to the simulation. The wavelength is a mechanic that exists only in the simulation. Those experiments rely on the rules of the simulation. Is it an easy cop out to say "All facts don't matter because we are in a simulation!"? Yes. However, it cannot be dis-proven. If the validity of fact itself cannot be proven, due to everything provable existing from only inside a control simulation wishing me to see it in such a way, how can I trust anything else?

As there seem to be alot of truthseekers here, i'd like to ask if someone found out what might be behind the wall of ice in antarctica and why are people not allowed to go there?

>>729013266
>giant shoulders

Nice touch, wasted on most people in this thread :p

>>729013711
But anon, an apple is not red, it is every color but red, including several not seen by normie eyes.

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I don't know why some of you are arguing with a conspiracy theorist. They will do everything possible to deny any and all arguments you have to offer.

If you're just curious about their thought processes and perception of reality, just Google up a few studies relation to conspiracy theories and theorists.

I did an essay in my 2nd year of college, essentially mapping out what makes a conspiracy believer or theorist.

Fun facts
Conspiracy theorists tend to believe more than one theory despite any contradictions between them.
There's correlations between broken household-upbringings and the likelihood of someone buying into conspiracies.
Majority of conspiracy theorists have an emotional disconnect with at least one parent (mommy/daddy issues). Subjects declared they did not receive adequate attention, praise, or recognition during childhood

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>>729013547
>oh no they're making it rain with silver iodide how evil

>>729014311
YEAH, but who FUNDED your essay????

>>729014224
Nobody knows exactly, but one theory is that is where their main broadcast site is because of the ease of planetary and interstellar transmission.

>>729010963
I am nearly severely mentally ill and can confirm you're fucking retarded.

>>729014311
>mobabattlestation.jpg

It's actually the keyboard of a demoscener. He's from Finland iirc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene

They make cool stuff with computers.

Deception

>>729007637
Google Humidity and try to stop being a tit

When people are referring to chemtrails they aren't actually referring to planes spraying out a trail of chemicals. They're usually referring to government geoengineering projects, wherein they try to manipulate weather patterns or test the effects of chemical aerosols on the atmosphere. Most of this shit has been declassified and can be read about, like the HARP project.

>inb4 hurr durr tinfoil hat

>>729014311
So instead of hearing what theorists have to say and REAL evidence that *some* of them provide, you seek to belittle them with facts about their personal life? News flash, looking into any assortment of people you will find they have problems. That's just the world we live in. Your post implies you're better than them in some way, like you take pity on them? All they're doing is asking questions, why attack them for that?

>>729007690
>mwf grandfather is multimillionaire
>mwf normies cant afford daily dose of Chemtrail-away
>mwf my sister forgot to take her chemtrail immunity pill and instantly devolved into lower class scum

>>729014652
why are they doing this in europe tho

>>729014652
*HAARP

>>729014398
I put myself through college.
I funded it.
Good point, not for you though.

Questioning one's legitimacy or authority is another common trait observed by conspiracy theorists. Subjects lacked a sufficient authoritative parental figure throughout childhood. In essence, they are likely to question authority in instances where it's folly.

>>729013760
>what if we are in a simulation and the real world works completely different?

Well I am in the simulation then. I cant get out. I am bound to the laws of the simulation.

What the hell do I care about what the world looks like outside of the simulation? In the end the facts i have proven to be correct only expand my knowledge which I need in order to have a better time.

Well of course colors are just the interpretation of certain amplitudes and of course heat on my skin is just the interpretation of my brain of how much energy is contained there. Does it matter as long as I can tell the difference between red and blue and warm and cold?

Yes, with science you want to find out how our world works. But finally this knowledge is just used to predict future events or find out what would happen when certain conditions are met.

All im saying is that you will never know wether or not your truth is the actual truth and not just something else having the same effect as the truth. Doesnt mean denying everying you are told and just inventing other, wrong explanations is the correct way to go.

>>729014676
>All they're doing is asking retarded questions

FTFY

>>729014311
good goy

>>729014773
Fuck I forgot where I was for a second, and Poe's Law'd myself. Was this for Psych or Soc?

>>729014743
Probably, althought I couldn't tell you for sure. I know the US used it to try and change weather patterns, like stopping hurricanes for example. Europe doesn't really have crazy weather though. The argument conspiracy theorists put forth is that the US will use HAARP to "weaponize" weather i.e. send droughts and typhoons to countries they don't like.

>>729009409
He's reacting to the idiots in the image, not the clouds. Get your shit together, faggot.

>>729009584
It's so fckimg depressing that this anon actually understands the process, but nobody will agree with him.

>>729014842
You literally just proved my point anon. You can't hold up an argument against someone questioning the world they live in, as is their right..
>better call them retarded

On the subject of this thread (chemtrails) for example, see
>>729011097

Are people still retarded for questioning the applications of chemtrails when they're officially listed as a potential weapon? Did they get inadequate attention as a child? How the fuck would you know

>>729010276
You do realize that it's just Americans who are forced to ingest fluoride, right?

>>729014224
it is the end of the world we know.
the hidden gate to the real world.
it is behind the huge ice wall.
the world we live in is actually a prison for working slaves to serve (((them))).

>>729014996
Funny enough I was thinking the same, wasn't completely sure.
It has become this bad.

No, Criminal Justice, minor in Criminology. Information is out there if you're curious like I was. It's akin to reading a book as you witness them.

Google: Professor Swami conspiracy theorists
that study had to do with levels of stress.

>>729011503
It's because chemtrails aren't an inhalable. They are adding to a layer of the atmosphere that will be used for large scale hologram display. You should research project blue beam.

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It's not some huge secret conspiracy, it's very simple really..

Global temp are on the rise and polar ice caps/tundra is melting, when they melt they release methane which is a greenhouse gas that makes temp rise further, by artificially creating clouds it reflects some of the sunlight which slows the warming. It's a bandaid but it's the best we can do for now.

>>729011644
Dude, you are explaining the shifty American education system. Yes, those kids are taught to just remember what an underpaid, lame teacher told them. In better countries we are taught how to teach ourselves. How to experiment and test the world around us and come to conclusions based on our abilities.

>>729014001
>a scientist on /b/. Yeah right.

Im not a scientist, I just try to approach the world from a scientific view.

And regarding win10, just install gentoo.

>>729012142
Yeah but 4chan also hates retards.

>>729014219
How do you know you are in a simulation? You dont. You just think that is the case because you search for reasons to disprove the laws in that simulation.

And believing the facts proven to be correct in the simulation is far better that making up your own. Thats my point.

>>729013164
No, you can blame the fact that your parents are cousins.

>>729015468
I'll check it out.

>>729014676
>So instead of hearing what theorists have to say
I've heard far more than my fair share.

I never implied any of what you said. I stated objective facts. You're twisting my words to suit some victim narrative and I'm not going to have that.

This has nothing to do with 'belittling' them. Everything to do to understand who they are and why they think as they do. We do similar studies on literally everything else; from fart-fetishists to truck drivers.

>>729014224
>>729015425
And chemtrails are made to keep the sunlight away and (((their))) ice wall can't melt.
Global warming = no ice wall.
Could this be a connection between the arctic restricted area and chemtrails?

>>729014267
It was just a stupid example. Your asshole isnt black either, lots of gamma rays comming out of it for some strange reasions.

>>729014439
>flat earth
>planetary transmission
Do you even hear yourselves?

>>729014800
Very true indeed. We are bound to the simulation, there is no escape. If I thought there was, I would spend every waking moment in paranoia and thinking about conspiracy theories. I have distrust and question the truth, but I am not one to dwell on it due to the simple fact that we are impossible to change it.

Being as controlled as we are, what we do is limited. Still, I would prefer kicking and screaming when I can to not putting up any fight at all. At the end of the day, I am easily mollified by my life regardless of it being a simulation. Taking the other argument, it is possible the government is controlling us for our protection against an even more harsh reality outside of the simulation that we could not handle. While I do not like that judgement, perhaps there is something I cannot handle.

Science within the simulation matters. What has been done has increased human life, if we can believe the past. At least you are doing something that could potentially be useful, when the option of a simulation means nothing is useful. If something has a chance of being potentially beneficial, it is better it be done than not.

Science is about finding out how the world works. If the world is a simulation, it is still all that we have. If everything is a lie, it will be impossible to know for sure unless we get outside the simulation. Thus, rationally, this is the best route.

I just like to keep an open mind. What is said might be true, but equally might not be. I just believe in not believing everything entirely, I just deny that the truth we are told is an absolute truth due to it being based entirely on human limitations. There is no way of ever really knowing what truth is, I can imagine after we die new truths will be found that find ours primitive and limited, and those are only truths that accept the simulation.

>>729014259
Nah, I liked it too. Wasted on 98% of the people in this thread.

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>>729007196

>What's /b/'s solution to stop my friend from wearing a tinfoil hat?

Medication.

Aside from that, there is no rationale to counter a conspiracy theory. They are build in the way that they can't be disprove. Just like the "fake news" claims of Trumpanzees: Trump could say on life television that he is a russian operative and they would still claim it to be fake news.

>>729015401
And even that is changing relatively soon, America is going to be removing fluoride from water supplies because the public fears it.

>>729014311
Calm down you dipshits, the anon in this post is correct.

Most people who are passionate about conspiracies are craving attention that they never got. They believe they are smarter than their peers, and/or they want to believe they have secret knowledge, giving them an edge over others.

>>729016074
Clearly you're not hearing them enough, plus carefully avoiding any mention of evidence?

And so what exactly do these studies prove? Why even care to mention them? It's clearly an attempt at manipulating the validity of these people's voices.

>>729013266
Sounds like someone has watched every season of Big Bang theory a few too many times.

>>729016571
If I can self-analyze, the reason I am a conspiracy theorist is because I am a pessimist. I believe the worst of everything will occur and have trouble trusting anything. In all honesty, I hope others are right as it leads to a positive world, but I am afraid and skeptical of what I see.

>>729008965
this is how we got Trump

The majority of the population simply shouldn't be allowed on the internet

if they spray us humans like crops worldwide,
it's time to completely remove all governments.

>>729016771
This

>>729016807
Politicians are just replacable puppets, they don't matter at all.

>By "replacable puppets" i don't mean replacable by the choice of voting because voting doesn't matter either.

>>729016609
Someone with a scientific mind searches for answers by questioning those that not only agree, but those that disagree. What may be found may be disagreeable, but you at least have an idea the rationale behind individuals and why they think like they do. More opinions, on any matter, is a good thing. It is one of the good things about /b/, being a mixture of all different blends of people means that we get to hear more sides than if we were in an echo chamber.

>>729016771
Skeptic is is completely healthy. It's a survival trait.

Its only unhealthy when you grab onto any theory that comes your way because you want ANYTHING to cling to to show the world that you are right and they are wrong. That's the unhealthy part of it.

>>729012243
And now for your first lesson
Spelling

Genetically modified seeds used to be a "tinfoil hat conspiracy" and look around now, everything you eat it gmo.

>>729008190
>>729014754

Fuck me. HAARP. This is rather close to the subject of my phd thesis.

1. The government needed to send shit to nuclear submarines. HArder to do then you think for various reasons. This was one reason for haarp.

2. Another reason was to study ionosphere. Very important for lots of reasons (solar flairs, satellite communication). There really is no other way to study it because it's fucking super hot, thin, and dangerous.

3. Not that I expect you fuckwads to understand this but the fundamental equations of plasma physics (Vlasov, klimontovich) are remarkably scale invariant in space, time, and energy density. This means that they work inside nuclear weapons (meters and centimeters) all the way up to solar system (solar flares) and even larger. It is very hard to study various plasma properties (certain wave propagation, turbulence) on earth in laboratories because plasma is super fucking hot, unstable, and the plasmas we can make are meters/centimeters in length and it's just hard to measure shit in there. So we user the ionosphere as the laboratory.

Why does it matter? Well it's part my thesis (lookup NIF) and 40 years of ongoing very difficult research.... These issues - especially turbulance -- are amoung the main reasons that we don't have fussion based alternative energy (you know the kind that you be basically cheap, free, and close to endless) . So we need to study them.

THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN SEND ENOUGH ENERGY UP IN THE IONISHPERE TO DO OR HURT OR SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER JACK SHIT COMPARED TO THE HUGE AMOUNT OF ENERGY PUMPED IN BY THE SUN. CASE CLOSED.

>>729017061
Scepticism*

>>729007196
whoever says these are chemtrails is a complete idiot that has absolutely no concept of actual science. these are vapor trails.. caused by the planes engines.. the exhaust the produce is extremely hot. at that height the air is much much colder than at sea level. so super heated air comes out of the back of the engine and interacts with the cooler air around forming vapor. hence the name, vapor trail

>>729007196
198/18......sad really.

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>>729017129
subject of my phd thesis..
>solar flairs
>flairs..
Whooo!

>>729008190
not sure if trolling or he beeing really this dumb

>>729017129
They don't need HAARP anymore. Navy has been using E-6Bs for years to communicate with submarines but it looks like they wanted something that doesn't rely on an airborne asset.

The closure of the program is likely the result of a space based platform. Maybe something the X-37 has been supporting.

>>729017203
Late for the party there friend, we've already covered that part, question is why do some of the trails dissipate quickly while others linger and spread out to form clouds..

>>729017061
I cling because it is the unpopular opinion and one that shows we don't have all the truths. Honestly, I don't think chem trails are a thing. The thing that doesn't click with me is that the conspiracy theorist themselves are exposed to the same gas, so should be as controlled as the rest of the populace. Unless they are suggesting some weird sort of gas immunity, which makes them a special snowflake, it sounds illogical. I do believe we are being controlled, but in a way beyond our wildest imaginations, possibly in a way science couldn't even explain since all logic of it has been concealed. The chem trails is a diversion at best for a much more complicated truth.

>>729007196
Be a friend and tell him hes right. US used airplanes to seed clouds in vietnam to cause heavy rains/flash floods. This technology still exists but is way more advanced and used for other reasons. It is real.

N A N O B O T S

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>>729017945

sigh...

>>729007196

Inform him it's much easier and cheaper to simply control the population by adding chemicals to the drinking water than by spraying aerosols into the air

>>729017501
it all depends on the atmospheric preasure. depends on height and current air pressureand humidity in the ambient air. low preasure would form clouds while high pressure would dissipate the vapor quickly.

>>729019665
They control us with the public opinion, television, newspaper, fluoride, vaccine and medicine.
Chemtrails may be for weather control and Nanobots.

>chemtrails are real bruh breh
>its true, check this blogspot link its legit
>muh cloud seeding has been going on since the Vietnam
>muh weather and rain brah brew
>conveniently ignoring the fact that California, as well as other states like Texas have been suffering record breaking droughts

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>>729007196
Facebook. Kek.

>>729020223
Chemtrails is so obvious...
People are only sceptic because the public opinion.

>>729020124
Yet another anon that I refer to this. Need evidence? Here it is

No "muh blogspot".. Your government

>>729011097

>>729020223
Shit, thats only minutes apart. Surely there is video of this phenomenon happening in real time?

Oh, there isnt and those pictures are more than likely taken on two different days, and the times added to the photos are there to try to get people to believe in the bullshit with you?

Darnit.

>>729020497
Explain why California and other states are stricken with drought for years? How come California isnt a tropical rainforest?

im telling you from the perspective of a physics/chemistry major. they are vapor trails, simple as that. look at the pic op posted. the plane is leaving 4 distinct trails that clearly begin just behind each of its 4 engines.

>>729020675
Profit. Population control.

What use would it be to the government to have these states thrive? And more importantly, why are you still questioning it when the proof you're clearly craving has been placed right in front of your eyes?

>>729020675
because it hardly ever fucking rains there dipshit.

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>>729020967
>Population control
THERE IT IS.

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>>729020858
Op did use a shitty pic, more like this..

>>729021154
You miss the point, brainiac.

If cloud seeding has been going on since the 60's, droughts wouldnt exist since weather is manipulated, right? Its supposed to rain more, right? But California isnt lush jungles, is it?

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>>729021265
Or this

>>729021212
And why is that such an insane notion? Also it's simply a speculation - which hasn't invalidated the evidence I gave you in any way. I'm not saying population control is a fact, because honestly how the fuck could we ever know? But either way anon, I've given you evidence, and you've provided nothing in return other than completely dramatised arguments like turning California into a "tropical rainforest".. who sounds crazier.

>>729021453
>cant even into atmospheric temperature differences at varying altitudes
Wew

>>729021536
>population control
Come the fuck on, son.

Let me guess, they sprinkle magic dust on people so they'll buy more pepsi, right? Or, the magic dust only targets black people so they'll sell drugs and do drive-by's on rival gangs, right? Or its designed to make people buy Justin Beiber records...?

>>729021570
Same lame excuse the govt gives..
Wew is right son.

>>729021827
Figures you dont know shit about temperature.

Keep on believing shape shifting space reptiles who run the government are sprinkling mind control powder on people.

>>729021798
Once again, a speculation.

And now what, trying to downplay my argument by turning it into a fairytale? Not once have I suggested the applications of chemtrails, but AGAIN - I've. Given. Real. Evidence.

Did you even read the post I linked? Are you this ignorant? A government instated act lists them as potential weapons, is that magic dust anon? Right now the only laughable thing here is how adamant you are that you cannot be wrong.

>>729022213
>And now what, trying to downplay my argument by turning it into a fairytale?
Because thats precisely what it is.

>>729021827
Adiabatic lapse rate, my friend.

Also pilot here. These are the absolute best conspiracy theorists to fuck with. Pilots do it all the time. Something like relabeling a switch to "Chemtrails" and posting it on instagram.

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>>729022551
If you'd have read my posts there'd be no denying my arguments, so do what you like with them.

I'll leave this here again. If you really wanted an honest debate, you'd have read it and at least accepted you're wrong.
>>729011097

>>729013373
Its not even cold wings condensing water vapor.

Its the pressure differential at the border of the vortices from the engine exhaust and the stable air the exhaust is being injected into. The pressure differential causes vapor to condense inside the vortex.


>>729007196
You don't fix your friend. You stop being friends with him, or you ignore his conspiracy theory bullshit, or you troll him further down the rabbit hole by saying "who knows how hot the mind control chemicals burn at? Maybe hot enough to melt steel beams"

>>729007196
Rape him

Hello, I'm Anon.

My life is boring. So, to spice things up a bit, I jump onto conspiracy bandwagons to combat the the dullness. At first, I'm well aware of how preposterous some of this shit is, but the longer I'm exposed to it, the more I believe it. Pretty soon, I won't be able to tell what is reality or make believe. I love to frequent websites with other like-minded conspiracy buffs, and it it doesnt matter what the topic is, the more absurd, the better. It sure beats being bored stiff. And on occasion, I'll run across sheeple talking logic and have to laugh, hopefully one day they wake up and see THE TRUTH. Area 51 has aliens, JFK lives with Elvis and Tupac in Costa Rica, 911 was DEFINITELY an inside job, and chemtrails, bro, C H E M T R A I L S.

YOUVE BEEN WARNED!

>>729007637
>you see
I cannot see
"half way across the globe"
so no.

>>729009827
> I work for pharma R+D in biochem
> We publish to counter FDA scientists' claims about our drugs being unhealthy
> Our drugs are probably unhealthy
Oh Emm Gee guys the government is evil

>>729015342
>pens and pencils are potential weapons
Now that I've designated them as such, we can start a new conspiracy that the government is training the kids to wield weapons of war while they indoctrinate us.

>>729023351

Considering this friend works involves doing fuck all...this is pretty much sums him up lol

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>>729021453
>chemtrail
You blatantly dont know a thing about how air, temperature, or moisture works.

Lets have a closer look at a plane. If you'll notice, unless you're blind, the contrails appear some space away from the engines. Now look at your pic, zoom in on the planes, notice anything similar? Contrails appearing well behind the planes?

If a plane was dumping a substance out, the substance would not be invisible, then appear well behind the engines. You cannot spray anything out of jet engines., if you tried, the engines would rip apart.

Have you ever went outside on a cold morning and seen your breath? Of course, this is the same thing happening with the jet engines. Super heated air contains a lot of moisture and at altitude, it freezes in the colder air and we see ice particles. See here >>729019734

At varying altitudes you will find different temps. It can be 90f on the ground, and at 30k ft, it can be -20 or below. Planes at different altitudes will show different contrail lengths.

>>729014731
kek

>>729024574
thank you. this is exactly what ive been trying to tell those idiots

The idea of magic chemicals used to control people is hilarious to me. It's such a useless endeavour. People are dumb. Let's all just admit it. We can be controlled in much simpler and cost effective ways. 90% of the population can be swayed by the media, and 99% are wage-slaves. We don't need chemicals to be controlled.

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>>729025164
No doubt you'll run across those that will show you pictures like this one claiming its proof of chemtrails. But thats not what it is.

Tbis is whats called "jettisoning fuel", all planes can do this pretty much. Planes jettison their fuel for emergencies. Say this plane has total engine failure and needs to have an emergency landing, they can dump their fuel in case they have to crash land, and if they arent loaded down with fuel, they wont end up a fireball of they sustain damage on impact with the ground. In this pic, it is most likely water being dumped to test the function, and they test planes like this regularly to make sure theyre in proper order. They wont test actual duel and dump it willy nilly near where people are

>>729024574
Temperature isn't a real thing, shill.

>>729025875
*fuel

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>>729007196
The last thing you want to give to someone who desperately needs approval, is approval.

You should ignore, mock, and dismiss them as lunatics. That's the only approach you can have with insecure people of any kind.

>>729025836
They dont take into account that if a plane is dumping mind control dust at 20+ thousand feet, the jet stream carries it away from people directly under it so its fucking pointless and a waste of good mind control dust... lol

>>729008336
Why should he write it out himself when there is a link to explain everything right there?

>>729007196
Dude, there is nothing that you can do to make him stop. If I were you I would just make sure that he doesn't learn about flouride because when he does it will be game over.

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>>729007196
teach him thermodynamics and fluid mechanics

>>729026267
>fluoride

I always here those fucks scream how this shit is instant death if you brush your teeth with fluoride tooth paste, or it makes you dumb, or it makes you sterile... The usual scare tactics.

Fluoride can kill you, but in a highly concentrated form. Ive been drinking fluoridated water all my life, hasnt killed me yet.

>it makes u dumb
Where's the proof of this making anyone dumb?
>inb4 infowars links

Its like this. Go right now and get yourself a glass of water, now take an eye dropper and drop 1 drop of bleach into it and stir it. Now drink it. 1 drop of bleach will not kill you. Now, if you drank a cup of nothing but bleach, you'll end up like that Amanda chick, dead.

The fluoride in tap water is so watered down it will never harm you. Too much of anything has the potential to kill you. Too much water, fluoridated or not will kill you.

>>729026947
*hear

>AHURR U MISSPELLED, FLUORIDE MADE U DUM

>>729019563
Its your choice to remain blind. The proof is all around you and you still choose to be in denial.