Alright /b/ explain to me how and why there can only be two genders

>>728975007
For humans or in general? I remember flies and fungus have many more.

>>728975007
Male
Female

All the explanation you need.

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>Dick
> Vagina
Easy right

Because for generations of humans and other mammals, that's how it has been. The process of reproduction and evolution is based on the idea that it's going to stay that way. Transgender people, as well as other rare instances of transgender in nature, is a birth defect and that's that. If you want to have them be accepted then that's okay, they are entitled to that. But saying that this is how it should be is just plain wrong.

>>728975007
Okay kiddos, time for a lesson on how to not be a jerk to the LGBT+ community!
First off, here are some definitions.
Sex: What you've got down there. Male/Female
Gender: What you identify as. Girl/Boy
Sex is not the same as gender!
People who are nonbinary are a good example of people who aren't girls or boys. These people ARE NOT "special snowflakes" and they are VALID. There are more than two genders.

>>728975809
you are mentally ill

>>728975911
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>>728975809
>"sex is not synonymous with gender"
Anyone who thinks they are above the rules and identifies as "non-binary" are fucking delusional. Not only does it make no sense and is completely irrational, it's also illogical and utterly pointless.

Kill yourself.
>pic related

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>>728975809
k

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>>728975809
Oh man, this non binary shit again.

bees have three genders: male, female and neuter (non-breeding females). haploidy is pretty weird shit. all of the bees in any hive share 1/3 of the DNA of the queen, which is enough to convince them to work for the good of the hive.

This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb-JZSyhWSc

>>728976618

Dude, just look up the definitions.
"The word gender has been used since the 14th century as a grammatical term, referring to classes of noun designated as masculine, feminine, or neuter in some languages. The sense denoting biological sex has also been used since the 14th century, but this did not become common until the mid 20th century. Although the words gender and sex are often used interchangeably, they have slightly different connotations; sex tends to refer to biological diferences, while gender more often refers to cultural and social differences and sometimes encompasses a broader range of identities than the binary of male and female"

Sex is a biological concept, gender is a sociocultural concept.
Society and culture is made up, so I don't see why made up genders are a problem.

>>728977806
Acceptance of pedophilia is also a social construct in parts of Africa, Asia, and the Middle East.

It's disgusting, and it shouldn't be condoned, because it leads to other stuff.

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>>728977806
I ideally want a world where nobody gives a fuck about what sex you are, where cunts get treated like cunts regardless of their race, sex, or anything like that. To break down gender roles (something tumblr really wants), you have to make gender irrelevant. But when people make up fake genders, they start to incorporate it into their identities, and they start making a big thing out of it (eg: asking people to respect pronouns), which then means gender becomes a big thing and a major aspect about a person, making yet another group for society to stereotype and such.

Plus it's retarded, and "non-binary" people often are insane faggots.

>>728975583
are hermaphrodites considered a third gender?

>>728978412
Sure, that's a valid argument (assuming it actually leads to other stuff). I actually don't know where I stand with regards to different gender identities (although I'm 100% OK with people who consider themselves genderless).

I guess I meant to say "I don't see why it's hard to understand that genders can be made up".

>>728975809
this is pretty spot on

>These people ARE NOT "special snowflakes
I'm non binary, and that's exactly it. I've only told a few trusted people because I don't want to be treated differently and I don't really care about pro-nouns.

Androgyny has been in the mainstream for more than half a century, I don't get why people find it so hard to understand there's a spectrum of gender identity and sexuality that's slightly broader than straight / gay. These terms are there for us to articulate human gender and sexuality. They're defined by the way humans actually behave, not the other way around.

>>728975007
Gender can mean sex or social construct related to sex. Gender as a social construct is an umbrella term for gender identity, gender roles, gender expression...so you will have to be a little more specific.

If it means gender as in sex, then it is binary. In the XY sex determination system, Y pressence means male and no Y means female. This includes most chromosomal anomalies. Even xx males and xy females can be classified if you consider the proper expression of the SRY gene. Mosaic chimerism still just includes this two possible options. So yeah, no way around it. Sex is binary.

On the other hand other things are not, such as secondary sexual characteristics (bimodal distribution), gender expression, gender roles and gender identity. The latter two have a strong cultural component, but they do not vary idependently from sex, hormones, sexual dimorphism (specially in our brain), ect.

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>>728979532
Okay but are you male or female?

>>728977806
I would say mental illness predates the 14th century. So my guess is that people born with cocks have been self proclaiming themselves to be any number of things for a very long time. The difference between then and 10 years ago is that they said it was witchcraft. The difference between now and 10 years ago is that current society says it is normal and healthy. 50 years from now, people will be laughing a those stupid fucking white people and how their deranged quest for attention and acceptance wiped them off the planet.

>>728977591
why are non breeding females considered their own gender instead of just female? sterile men and women arent considered a separate gender.

>>728975007
penis vagina

>>728975809
stalepasta.exe

>>728975007
For reproduction we need a male and female. So we have 2 genders

>>728975809
kill yourself faggot

>>728975911
>>>728975809
>you are mentally ill
Dubs of truth

>>728978412
pedophilia is a straw-man argument in this debate.

I don't think there's any pro LGBTQI group that promotes pedophilia as a legitimate sexuality, and even if it was to be argued that it is - children are not legally able to consent to sexual relations with an adult because the harm it causes is well understood.

I don't think it's possible that a first world country would scale back on laws protecting children from sexual predators just because trans people exist and gays can get married or some shit. It's a dumb argument to compare statutory rape to consensual sex between gay or trans adults.

>>728979677
lol what difference does it make?

>>728980203
>gay
The fuck are you talking about, nigger? This thread has nothing to do with homosexuality.

>>728980358
True that. Gender should mean nothing in society. Everyone should be non-binary amirite

>>728979721
>50 years from now, people will be laughing a those stupid fucking white people and how their deranged quest for attention and acceptance wiped them off the planet

right, just like it did 50 years after the 14th century....
FYI gender identity and sexuality aren't genetic

>>728975007
There were three in that startrek episode and one was treated like a female. But biologically at this point humans only require 2 to procreate. That's why. Maybe mental illness will create another one but that's how the 3rd will be remembered, as a product of ancestors mental illness.

>>728975583
What are you talking about?!

>dick
>butt

>tounge
>cunt

Why do most languages have gender-specific pronouns?

Biology says so

>>728980203
It snowballs man. We used to not allow any of it. Then we allowed homosexuality. After that, we accepted Transsexuals. Now we have the "86 genders" BS, as well as grown men using the same restrooms as five year-old girls. There is a pattern. I'm pretty sure bestiality will become socially acceptable within the next twenty years unless something's done about it. Some time after that, we get pedophilia.

>>728980734
The same argument about pedophilia is brought up against the gay marriage debate. This thread has mostly been the debate between gender identity/sexuality - homosexuality is a more relevant subject here than pedophilia.

>>728979532
Being non-binary is conforming with a gender because you are saying what you aren't, aka the binary. You are conforming to the binary when you say that you are non-binary

>>728980734
>Everyone should be non-binary amirite
lolwut? I was asking what difference does it make in this thread i.e. Why do you care what whether I'm male or female? It makes no difference to the context of my post.

>>728981498
you have a mental illness. seek help.

A large portion of people who are transgender suffer from an actual neurological disorder known as gender dysphoria. This is when the physiological balance of hormones in the body are dissonant with what the brain expects there to be. It needs to be stressed that this is a NEUROLOGICAL disorder so saying "it's all in your head" is actually true but it's also very reductive.

While it is technically a mental illness, I think the real problem here is the stigma of mental illness itself. Gender dysphoria brought on by hormonal imbalance is something experienced by a not-so-insignificant portion of the population and does not make the person any less of a fully functioning human being than your average person. So yes it's a mental illness, but why should that matter?

>>728981650
I'd rather be mentally ill with an understanding of how people work and the world around me than 'sane' but too retarded to understand anything that isn't me.
I pity you bro.

>>728981343
I don't think you understand what the word "conforming" means.

Acknowledging that something exists is not conforming.

>>728975007
>>>728979721
>>50 years from now, people will be laughing a those stupid fucking white people and how their deranged quest for attention and acceptance wiped them off the planet
>
>right, just like it did 50 years after the 14th century....
>FYI gender identity and sexuality aren't genetic
Right, but you also didn't have a shit pile of whiney wannabe fags whose daddies were disappointed they didn't become Johnny football seeing the latest gender cultists youtube bullshit. This gender shit has become the latest crazy fad among white kids that see the attention it grabs. This isn't something you are born with. It is a symptom of other mental issues.

>>728982465
It matters because the people with gender dysphoria won't admit/see that they have it and it's infuriating to the people around them because they are annoying as fuuuuck

>>728981325
What don't you understand about legal consent. The right for any legally consenting adult to do whatever the fuck they want with another legally consenting adult doesn't just "snowball" into fucking dogs and children. It's not like we're laxing the laws of consent.

>>728982517

>understanding
>world around me

No, you're stuck in your own special fairytale land. Grow up. There are only two genders. The rest are mental illnesses.

>too retarded to understand anything that isn't me

We're not the retarded ones here. You are.

>>728982465
>"it's all in your head" is actually true but it's also very reductive
>>728982465
>So yes it's a mental illness, but why should that matter?
100%

Most mental illness can't be cured per se. They can be treated. If a mentally ill person isn't causing any more problems than the average person, they're generally considered okay.

There are a lot of sociopaths out there who aren't serial killers. They make decisions not to be bad people for their own self preservation, and nobody minds if they're not hurting anybody. There's also people like Salvadore Dali, or Vincent Van Gough who were obviously mentally ill but captured some of the most amazing artistic expressions ever.

>>728975911
Agreed. Welcome to /b/ though now. 2003 was fucking great on here, 2017, not so much so

>>728975007
Biology.

>>728982677
They do admit it and the way they choose to "seek help" is through hormone therapy and surgery.

>>728981343
>>728982583
This.

This isn't a religious argument, you're using the wrong points.

>>728983191
they should kill themselves instead

>>728975007
There are two sexes. Sex and gender mean the same thing. Intersex individuals are so rare that they can be disregarded.

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Male or Female

Straight, Bi, Gay.

Well... that covers everyone save the small fraction of people who are hermaphroditic to one degree or another.

>>728975007
Because it's biological faggot

>>728983289
Let's hope you'll load the chamber for your daughter then when she wants to be your son :)

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>>728982871
bingo

>>728982904
Sure thing buddy.

I just accept that there are many different types of people because that's what I perceive in this crazy world of 7 billion people offering essentially endless variety.

But I can see how a simple minded person could take a vacuous look at the world around them and only see two types of people.

Sex chromosomes.

If you have a Y chromosome, you are male. If not, you are female.

2 genders

>>728983719
nope, you just described 2 sexes

fucking faggot.

>>728983445
My child would be given to child services immediately if I found out she was a nonbinary faggot

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>>728983719
Christ, guys. People worked hard to create all the words in the English language. The least we can do is not lump words together like we're some kind of Orwellian society.

>>728984116
I thought you wanted them to kill themselves? Disowning someone and telling them to off themselves are completely different things.

>>728984116
You should probably just give up any children you might have to child services anyway. You sound like you'd be a terrible parent.

I'll accept agendered fags when people stop fucking making up and identifying as fake genders like fashion.

>>728983523
what kinda stuff you got down there in your pants? im noyt saying thats who you are but I just wanna know

The human brain is complex as fuck so having other gender identities isn't that farfeteched. (Being trans is already an officially recognized psychological thing) I don't know why you insecure cucks care so much anyways

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>>728975809

>>728975669
Assuming we're still evolving..

I'll admit, I'm very accepting and open minded of LGBTQ people but I still sometimes feel like some people really do just wear gender like it's the newest fashion. It diminishes the real issues people who suffer from gender dysphoria go through every day. People really need to think long and hard about what gender means to them before immediately deciding they are "gender fluid" because sometimes they act more girly and sometimes they act more manly.

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There are 3 genders, 4 genders, maybe even 5!

Maybe gayness came about to control over-population, examples before that that are found in other species that arent over-populated were probably just mutations

>>728984893
PREACH

>>728984487
I don't get why it bothers you so much? This is just like the gay movement in the 70s. It's not like they didn't exist before, but society was ignoring them and they fought to be recognized. The same thing is happening with the greater LGBTI+ community.

>>728982871
Not yet. But like I said, we are allowing men into women's bathrooms. We're allowing dangerous situations to happen. Transsexualism used to be a mental disease where people couldn't be trusted to make their own decisions. Now they're legally allowed to mutilate and mutate themselves through surgery and hormone therapy.

>>728975007
Boys have a penis.
Girls have a vagina.
The end.

>>728985059
WE CARE BECAUSE THEY ARE ANNOYING AS FUCK THAT'S WHY also they can be whatever the fuck they want as long as they don't try to make me change with them. I will call it like I see it. Don't try to make me call you whatever the fuck you want. I do what I want, and you do what you want

Lol butts

>>728976722
>>728975809
Get confirms faggot is a faggot

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I can take myself to the prom!

>>728984657
I don't want to answer because it clearly makes some sort of difference to your perception of my posts. What I've said would be equally valid coming from a genetically female or male person.

>>728984273
the fact that you took my "they should kill themselves" remark seriously shows just how retarded you really are

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LGBTQPedo all day and tomorrow, anon.

I had a relevant conversation about gender identity with my girlfriend today that I could use some help with.

How does a (hypothetical) person reconcile their belief that there are no differences between male and female (other than the physical), and also have a gender identity? How can a male>female transgender person believe that wearing dresses and makeup and liking pink means they identify as female while at the same time believing that gender norms should be abolished?

>>728984468
I'd be a better parent than you. Your kid would probably get bullied at school

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>>728985502
Maybe you shouldn't be saying it if you don't want people to take it seriously.

>>728985059
The difference between the 70s gay movement and today's special snowflake movement is that in the latter, faggots have run out of things to whine about so they're making up bullshit to protest about in order to feel special and oppressed

>>728985715
Maybe you shouldn't take everything on the Internet so seriously

>>728985303
>THEY ARE ANNOYING AS FUCK
You sound annoying as fuck tbh, but I wouldn't hold that against whatever type of person you are because of you specifically.
>>728985303
>they can be whatever the fuck they want as long as they don't try to make me change with them
they're not trying to change you, but if part of 'you' is being an asshole to people because of what they are then you're obviously going to have some problems.

'Calling it like you see it' is fucking stupid when you don't make the effort to understand what you're seeing.

>>728975007
Listen OP, you have to realize that its medical fact that transgender people are more often bipolar, depressed and suicidal.

Post operation, suicide rates go higher. Regret is a very real thing in the transgender community. I could point out multiple college studies like from the wills institute that say post op trans people have lower quality of lives and have higher suicide rates than regular hormone therapy and cross dressing.

Hormone therapy and cross dressing both lowered quality of life. However, it didn't effect suicide rates.

/thread?
Yeah, /thread.

>disclaimer I will not post these studies
>you can easily find them yourselves on the internet, they have sample sizes of 10,000+ trans people

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>>728985972
Please see >>728986035

It's common consensus that the new approach to gender dysphoria (a mental illness that has been around for 60+ years) has no positive effects by transitioning to said gender.

>>728985567
>Your kid would probably get bullied at school
haha fuck.... I really just feel bad for you bro.

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>>728979532
They're just mentally fucked up with how their brain was wired just like you still have an identity issue; Were you born with a dick or a vagina? Did your genetics mutate and make you retarded or something in some way that your mind can't make up this false reality you live in?

I think the fact that genders even exist is pretty crazy. Why aren't we all asexual??

>>728975007
Dear OP, understand that:
1. You are a faggot
2.You will never not be a faggot
3.Humans aren't bees, we are all naturally born with reproductive organs, those who don't are defects.
4.Your faggotry remains
5. Gender is determined by sex, sexual orientation is not
6. There are two humans genders, and as many sexual orientations as you want.
7. Don't confuse the two.

>>728985823
>in order to feel special and oppressed
man.... trans people get stomped on in some areas where I live. They're definitely not trying to be oppressed. They're legit oppressed by sad, angry fuckwits.

I don't think it makes somebody a snowflake that they want to be able to walk in their own neighbourhood without getting the shit kicked out of them.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/01/how-science-helps-us-understand-gender-identity/

Science seems to disagree with most of you

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>>728985547
Okay see this argument is nonsense.
This is implying that girls treat boys like girls and that boys treat girls like boys.

That doesn't make sense to say women and men are treated equally and people don't seee color/gender/wealth. We do and act accordingly, there is nothing wrong with this, but to say you are a girl even though biologically and socially you have been a male all your life is heresy.

>>728986346
Because I don't get my ideologies off of Tumblr?

>>728985547
I've wrestled with this while trying to raise my daughter. (Before anyone gets up in arms, NO, I dont encourage my child to be queer or genderqueer, but I also don't discourage it)

I'm as egalitarian as it gets. I believe that all men and women are mentally the same outside of some base, primitive hormonal differences. My wife and I are very careful to avoid teaching our 8 year old daughter gender norms to let her fully be herself without the fear of judgement (that said, we've also been teaching her how to handle judgment, should it happen).

We are now looking into the future when she becomes a teenager and starts to explore her gender identity. How can we educate her on gender identity without perpetuating gender norms? What does it mean to be a man? What does it mean to be a woman?

So far, we've decided that we're not gonna make a big deal out of it. She has a vagina, so we've arbitrarily gendered her as a girl. I want her to understand that gender is arbitrary but I'm afraid that may just make her more confused and possibly even dismissive of transgender people.

>>728975007
Wat? dick and vagina. fuck off

>>728986547
They didn't have to transition. They chose to be oppressed. They could have gotten help for the obvious mental illness they have instead

>>728986592
Uhm.. I wasn't making any argument, just posing a question. I never said anything about how people treat each other. I'm talking about non-physical characteristics of males and females

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>>728986522
Sexual orientation is just another made up word for peoples fetishes or personal thoughts so they don't seem as mentally fucked up with the wiring in their brain.

>>728986661
Please see >>728986592

It is people like you who enable your child to do these things. There is more than a 50% chance you sexually abused your child if said child is trans. Go fuck yourself. There is so much mental illness in the trans community.

>>728986493
Asexual means you have no sexual attraction to anyone. I think the word you're looking for is agender

>>728977806
>gender is a sociocultural concept
Yeah a concept of if yiu fit in the category of being a fucking dude or a chick

>>728987242
You are damn right, I don't know why I even said sexual orientation. Shoulda gone straight to fucked up fetishes

>>728977806
Please see >>728986592 for social construct argument.

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>>728987382
Np

>>728987311
What the fuck are you on about? How does anything you've said have anything to do with what that father is talking about?

Alright faggots,

People will do whatever they want, if they want to chop of their dick and pretend they're a pretty little girl let them. Faggots will be faggots.

But don't expect society to go out of their way to congratulate you on your organ removal. I had my appendix removed and nobody fucking clapped for me and told me how brave I was. It's not a huge accomplishment akin to freeing slaves, you aren't "changing the world for the better" and nobody gives one monkey fuck. If you cut off your dick, it's for you, and you alone . It isn't societies job to cut off your dick for you and it isn't anyone's job to be sexually attracted to you because you cut it off.

>>728986298
The trans people who have gender reassignment surgery are obviously experiencing more gender dysphoria than those who choose not to have surgery. This is a mental illness we're talking about, and there are examples of happy, healthy trans people (Martine Rothblatt comes to mind), but obviously there are those who are never going to be happy.

Also there's surely a factor that how these people are accepted by their friends/family, peers and general society has an impact on how fulfilling their lives can be post transition.

At any rate, I'm not going to judge somebody for decisions they've made about their identity that don't affect me. Being nice doesn't cost me anything, and I can give away pro-nouns for free too.

>>728975007
Because gender is a definition of your genitalia

>>728987311
>>728986592
>>728986298
>>728986035
Aaaaand we're done here. You can't refute basic evidence that says trans treatments are newage and ineffective compared to pre 2009 trans gender treatment.

>>728987539
It is more than 50% of his daughter is trans she was sexually abused, it has everything to do with it.

Who the fuck cares.

>>728986917
There was a guy last year who got beaten up 3 on 1 because he was in drag for a party. Did he choose to be oppressed?
Go fuck yourself dickhead.

>>728986592
>>728987311
>>728987475
>>728987652
I get the feeling you think your argument makes a lot more sense than it actually does.

>>728987632
So you want to what? Ban hate speach?

And no multiple studies have proven that trans people who claim to have never been discriminated still have a decrease in quality of life after hormonal treatment/surgery.

Fuck you! :^)

>>728987816
Your English is atrocious but I think you're trying to say that if he sexually abused his daughter then there is a 50% chance she will be trans? Again that has nothing to do with what he's talking about.

>>728987870
Actually it makes total sense. Rather than diving further into the mental illness and validating it as an idea of "equal rights", we need to see what this really is on paper.

There is a lot more to be said about homosexuality suicid/depression rates then there are for tumblr trash.

You just regurgitate anecdotal experience and virtues signaling. Meanwhile the treatment has been show to make people's lives worse, no matter the circumstances. The new approach to gender dysphoria is newage bullshit.

>>728987323
huh. lol I meant why don't we reproduce asexually.

>>728988043
Who said he did it? More virtue signaling and trying to obtain the moral high ground.

>>728987851
Yes?? He chose to be in drag.

>Fuck yourself dickhead

Kek

>>728987632
> Being nice doesn't cost me anything, and I can give away pro-nouns for free too.

Same here until it does cost me something, and I have to use pro-nouns with a gun to my head.
These people want to be equal?
Great.
It's the radical political groups who claim to speak for all these people who make everyone else hate them.
We are not going to reshape the world around whatever some tiny percentage of people with mental problems believe.
And if you try to force it, people are going the push back.

>>728988194
/thread
I'm done. Go fuck yourself, blind newage sheep.

>>728988258
please explain to me what
>It is more than 50% of his daughter is trans she was sexually abused
means in proper English

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>>728988359
They are thought policing, providing ineffective treatments and pushing for socialist free healthcare. What's not to like about them?

>>728988394
You really enjoy quoting yourself to make yourself seem more right, don't you.

There is male, female, and trans-gendered people. A gender is just your mental sex, if you are a man and feel like a man, you are male; if you are a woman and feel like a woman, you are female; if you feel more like the other sex, you can transition and become trans. There are no more genders because gender is connected to what sex you feel you are, with there only being 2 sexes (not including genetic mutations). Making up a superpower or trait will not make it real.

>>728988357
That's straight up victim blaming bro. All the guy did was wear certain clothes.

You must be a fuckwit if you think that warrants violence.

>>728988436
Obviously it means there is a 50% chance she was sexually abused growing up if she is trans. Trans are more likely to basically do anything terrible to society, why? Because we aren't treating these people effectively.

>>728975007
Well lets say one of my patients comes in and i ask them what gender they are so i can get prepped for their physical. If they say some stupid shit like "star gender" i won't give a shit and that will throw me the fuck off. In the med world all we care about is what you have down there so we can keep you from not dying and to understand what the fuck is going on down there. I don't need bull shit genders throwing me off.

>>728988600
You really enjoy trying to make personal insults against me because you can't back up your claims for fucking shit, can you? Typical liberal. Virtue signaling and moral high ground people, see through the facade here.
>>728988043 (trying to change the one argument she could find a flaw in due to to typos, also saying that 50% of molested children become trans but it clearly said 50% of trans people had been molested).

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>>728975809
>"Sex is not the same as gender"
Look in a thesaurus and kill yourself, faggot.

>>728988896
Not only that but the treatment is in totally ineffective.
Like it does not help a trans person AT ALL to become trans, regardless of discrimination and SJW shit like that.

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Schools out kids, it's time to grow the fuck up and stop crying and deal with how the world is n' stop pushing your mentally retarded ways on other to makes us all powder puffs.
If any of them actually got what they really wanted with laws, it still wouldn't make a difference, they would just still be unhappy and try to hold it above peoples heads. I'm not African, but Africans suffered more than them so did many other cultures. They can never put comparative suffering to use, but the suffering they says is just another march for bitching and making everyone feel as shitty as them.
If the whole world didn't give a fuck and didn't care as I stated and got everything they wanted in paper and official documents people will still hate because you're still fucking with human nature and the progression of human race plus society.

>>728988359
>I have to use pro-nouns with a gun to my head.
haha what the fuck? Who has held a gun to your head? It essentially takes zero effort to use trans people's preferred pronouns, and I've gotten it wrong before, but nobody has ever given me shit about it.

>>728988654
Knowing full well the risk dressing in drag entails, that guy should not have dressed the way he did. Now I assume you also think that girls who go out dressed in "clothes" that reveal everything shouldn't be blamed, at all, for rape either.

>>728989079
I honestly feel bad for black people. Not because of "white privilege". But because of their shitty crime ridden culture and the war on drugs that so many needlessly choose to participate in.

>>728988194
Wendy Carlos seems happy. She's been trans for 40+ years

>All the people here who have literally never met a trans person crying about trans people forcing them to change their lifestyle.

>>728989170
Not the same dude, but tbh it is retarded to police language, even if only by social means.

I think what makes more sense is to call people by the pronouns that seem to fit them better, not necessarily what they prefer, since not only it is what requires less effort, but it makes it easier to identify people when refered by a pronoun that matches their appereance.

>>728989170
Quit acting like you don't want to modify the first and second ammendment, then we can talk. You want exactly what is happening in Sweden. I HAVE to have curtosey? I have to say "yes your opinions on gender are correct, no matter how much says otherwise"?

1776.

>>728988635
two-spirit native americans?

Well you see when a person has two X chromosomes they're a woman, when they have an X and Y chromosome they're a man.

If they differ from that they're a statistical anomaly, a medical curiosity and not an recognized gender.

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>>728989324
Exactly, they get what they want, and more some; Though never progressed with it because of social standings an making the wrong image for themselves.
Forget the police in the pic, but seriously...what happened? (rhetorical)

>>728989317
>Now I assume you also think that girls who go out dressed in "clothes" that reveal everything shouldn't be blamed, at all, for rape either
You assumed correctly dude.

I live in a first world country where most people believe in controlling the rapists/violent people and not their victims.

>>728989873
>>728975809

Gender can mean sex or social construct related to sex. Gender as a social construct is an umbrella term for gender identity, gender roles, gender expression...so you will have to be a little more specific.
>If it means gender as in sex, then it is binary. In the XY sex determination system, Y pressence means male and no Y means female. This includes most chromosomal anomalies. Even xx males and xy females can be classified if you consider the proper expression of the SRY gene. Mosaic chimerism still just includes this two possible options. So yeah, no way around it. Sex is binary.
>On the other hand other things are not, such as secondary sexual characteristics (bimodal distribution), gender expression, gender roles and gender identity. The latter two have a strong cultural component, but they do not vary idependently from sex, hormones, sexual dimorphism (specially in our brain), ect.

>>728989436
Again, ONE PERSON out of multiple studies on 10,000+ trans people. You're a fucking genius, you know... you might be onto something.
I think people can also choose to have mass aswell. Just deny basic facts and logic, jump out a window. Garuanteed you could fly right over to Sweden to get away from our scary hate speach.

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>>728989955
I know man, the war on drugs is evil. Really good post.

>>728989989
Educating the victims would also be productive. People don't go out with their most prized possessions in plain sight without expecting to be mugged so why should women go out in provocative clothes, especially in sketchy areas, and expect no sexual advances whatsoever?

>>728990280
>>728989989
You are conflating moral, legal and causal responsibility. The victim of rape, if it innecessarily incurs in risky behavior, has causal responsibility, but not legal nor moral responsibility. It is useful to educate people so it is less likely they are victims. Problem solved.

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>>728990004
And also people that have gender dysphoria do not benefit from validating these symptoms with treatment.

>>728989535
if you're talking to 6'3 male, but they're wearing heels, dress, shaved legs, zero facial hair, makeup, handbag and speaks in a feminine voice - what pronoun would you go with?

and if you chose male, and they said they actually identify as female, would you still refer to them as male because it's easier for you? despite them obviously presenting as female?

I go by what I think somebody is presenting as, unless I'm unsure, in which case I'll use neutral pro-nouns until I know. Seems pretty damn easy to me. I'd find it really awkward to tell somebody I'm going to call them by their non-preferred pronoun because I don't see them as the gender their presenting. Why be a cunt to somebody when it doesn't cost you anything to be nice?

>>728990491
It is not about validating or not. I would say it is a matter of whatever works...so far nothing seems to work that well. Although I read an study that changed female rats behavior to be male-like by injecting an enzyme that edited their dna. So that could also be a future treatment.

>>728975007
because genetics only gives us two realistic options

all that other bullshit is just a mental illness

>>728990664
It is not about cost. I have already explained my argument. Policing others speech so you feel comfortable is not nice neither. I am a cis male and would not give two shits if people refered to me as she.

>>728990670
I'm not a fan of GMO people anon. I've heard plenty about it already. Not totally closed off to the idea but medical community should be careful.

>>728989690
I don't live in the United States, so I actually don't personally care what you do or don't do with your constitution.

Though you should maybe visit Sweden if you really think your society is doing so much better.

sex != gender

>>728990956
If they want to do it or if they parents consent before birth, why not? Then again, I am up for any kind of technological dominion over our nature cuz transhumanism.

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>>728990807
So that's your fetish? (rhetorical)

>>728991077
Gender can mean sex or social construct related to sex. Gender as a social construct is an umbrella term for gender identity, gender roles, gender expression...so you will have to be a little more specific.

If it means gender as in sex, then it is binary. In the XY sex determination system, Y pressence means male and no Y means female. This includes most chromosomal anomalies. Even xx males and xy females can be classified if you consider the proper expression of the SRY gene. Mosaic chimerism still just includes this two possible options. So yeah, no way around it. Sex is binary.

On the other hand other things are not, such as secondary sexual characteristics (bimodal distribution), gender expression, gender roles and gender identity. The latter two have a strong cultural component, but they do not vary idependently from sex, hormones, sexual dimorphism (specially in our brain), ect.

>>728990807
...and apparently a pussy.

>>728991235
Just gotta be sure about the tech. It's not a moral thing just like what if we had an epidemic of widespread autism from gmo people? I don't think 4chan is a big enough containment board for something of that magnitude.

>>728990280
I actually do take some of my most prized possessions out with me. I'm a musician and that's the job. Sometimes I have to work in sketchy areas. What do I do? Not work because it would be asking to get robbed?

When I was studying at uni another student was stabbed at the train station for his guitar - was he asking to die?

>>728991235
So you're into a fetish of self mutilation to be something else. That's pretty neat.

>>728991263
What are you talking about? It is simple. If that trans person passes as the target gender, I call them by a pronoun corresponding that target gender. If they look more like their native gender, I would use a pronoun that matches that. It is better for ease of identification and does not lend itself to situations where you are neurotically controlling the words other people use.

>>728991383
I would be willing to risk it in order to go beyond the limits of my default nature.

>>728975007
because for organisms as complex as humans more than two genders would hinder the ability for propogating the species

>>728991600
What? The before birth thing was about a potential gene therapy for transsexuality.

If self-mutilation helps some, they are free to go ahead and do it given they are adults and have received professional help.

>>728983056
2003 was fucking great, I miss MostlyHetero's short stories them shits were hilarious and kinda gay

>>728991626
I'm just talking about your fetish as a CisMale, is there a category on PornHub for that? (also rhetorical)

>>728991870
My fetish as a cis male? What? That just means regular non trans male. I do not even get the point you are trying to convey. Maybe stop being retarded?

>>728990807
lol not nice? you have the conversation once and then use a different pro-noun. Your 'not nice' experience of having someone say "oh I actually identify as and prefer female pro-nouns, cheers" is over in less than 5 seconds. You calling someone a pro-noun they don't like goes on indefinitely, and then it would be an awkward conversation because you're being a dick for no reason.

I swear some of you are just too socially retarded to have a conversation with people.

>>728991757
Have no problem with that, lmao.

>>728975007

One impregnates, the other is impregnated.

>>728991858
Fear not, he writes his short stories on wattpad when he's bored. He popped up in a discord I frequent not too long ago, funny fucking guy.

https://www.wattpad.com/159904091-michael-and-the-sex-goblin

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>>728975007
You see, females have XX chromosomes and males have XY chromosomes. That is why, you moron.

My stance is that there will always be just male/female. If gender doesn't matter, I will gladly get rid of the word to stop the confusion. There will always be extreme examples that will break the rules. Ex) someone born with xy chromosomes but the doctor botched the birth and the kid doesn't have a penis.
Otherwise it shouldn't be allowed to be promoted as a normal orrcuance. people should at most be taught to tolerate multiple genders but that doesn't mean they have to accept multiple genders. Ex) you can call yourself a cat but I'm not going to talk in meows to appease you.

>>728992028
It does not. That person would be free to keep interacting with me or not. And I am not being a dick. I am counterfactually polite to people I care about, not anyone I meet.

And you have not addressed the points I have raised at all. You just keep repeating the same shit and telling me I am being a dick. Stop being stupid.

>>728991974
"cis male might have some or many characteristics that are feminine, effeminate, or female-like, but unless he seeks to project a female persona, he is still a cis male"
So you're either a pussy or like to where womans clothing time to time.

>>728992123
I'm fucking crying lmfao

>buttlust

>>728992390
I did not say that, moron. You are not quoting me.

>>728991974
so it could be your fetish.

>>728992483
not quoting you.

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Threads dying, goodnight /b/

>>728992554
Not really. I like futanari tho
How is this relevant.
>>728992604
Ok, then what is your point? That being cis or trans is based on gender expression? That is demonstrably false just by looking at brain differences between trans and non trans people.

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>>728975809

>>728992258
I don't get what you mean by calling them by the pronouns that seem [to you] to fit them better.

To me that would be like if somebody introduced themselves as David and I said "you really seem like more of an 'Alice' to me." and then claimed I'm not being an asshole, but it's not nice of them to correct me on it.

They're fucking words man. If somebody wants to be called something you just call them that and the rest of your interactions will be smooth.
What do you gain by awkwardly pushing the use of somebody's non-preferred pro-noun? Unless you enjoy making them uncomfortable?

It just seems like you want to be intentionally difficult with people.