Is a 1.8% raise pretty good if you've worked in a company

No. You matched inflation for one year. Essentially, you took a 1.8% pay cut when adjusted for inflation over two years.
Congratulations anon, you're working for less today, than when you were hired.

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>>728834494
What, what the fuck?

Please explain. I'm a little new to the real world.

>>728834494
This guy is right, but shit is tough these days. If you are working a shit job that someone can do with 3 months of training, take what you can get. If you have marketable jobs skills, start looking.

>>728834831
So every year dollars buy less shit. If you believe government statistics, about 2% less shit every year. If you look at how much more expensive health care, housing and college cost, it's more. So if you got a 1.8% raise, you really can buy .2% less shit than last year. Corporations depend on you being ignorant and thinking you got a raise. You didn't. Almost certainly, your company raised prices more than 1.8%. A sucker is you.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

>>728835226
This anon gets it.

>>728834831
Inflation in Western countries is about 2% a year, give or take. If you are making US Dollars, that means that the aggregate price of household goods cost about 2% more than they did last year.
In the past, companies use to give a Cost-of-Living-Allowance (COLA) raise each year that matched inflation, and then a "Raise" on top of that for performance.

If inflation raises the cost by 2% this year and you didn't get a raise next year; you took a pay cut of roughly 2%. If your company in Year 2 gave you a raise of 1.8%, then they caught you up to last year's inflation, but didn't account for this year's.
tl;dr You took a pay-cut of roughly 2% after two-years with your company... and you consider it a "raise."

>>728834314
while this anon might be right >>728834494, it's still a fair raise. some places give a shit about their people, and some places don't

>>728835766
Well shit.

Guess it's time to start sending out my resume again.

>>728835901
Or find out how much your company spends hiring and training a worker and renegotiate your pay based on your value to the company vs. their expense for hiring a new employee.

The norm is 3% per year unless you're a fuckup or you've been in the same position so long you've reached the salary cap for that position.

>>728835901
>>728836053
If you're a high performer, a 5% raise impacts the company's bottom line far less than hiring and training a new-hire.

>>728834314
OP
What do you do
How much do you make
What state/nation do you live in?

>>728836147
I've been working my ass off for these past two years. I tried extra hard. Hell I made it so that the company needs one person (myself) for a job that used to take three people. On top of my normal job I do a bunch of extra work and help other lines out at times.

I'm starting to think they don't give a shit

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>>728836096
I agree 3% is the least he should have gotten. Well unless he is a goober...

>>728834314
honestly, it just comes down to: are YOU ok with it. if yes, congrats. enjoy your raise. if not, find a different employer

>>728836566
Giving this to be true I would demand at least 10% and be prepared to walk if they won't do it. As another anon said, cost them less to do that than replace you. They are only gonna give you what they have to. But be prepared to walk.

>>728836566
Quantify your contribution and contrast it with not only the loss of productivity, but with hiring and training a new-hire.
If you do the leg-work and present them that number... then ask for a raise that equals 10% of that figure. If they balk, and they will... be willing to settle for 5% of that number. It will still be far larger than your shitty "raise" and they may decide to promote you instead.

>>728836566
Sounds like a grocery store and yes

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>>728834314
No, there has been 2.1% inflation over the past two years. It's not even a raise.

Get a better job or learn to negotiate for raises. Are you good at what you do? Would they miss you if you left?

>>728836397
>What do you do
Assemble, weld (laser, spot, and tig), solder, operate laser to mark things, order gas, do the jobs the engineers don't feel like doing.

>How much do you make
$17.31 after my raise

What state/nation do you live in?
>Seattle, Wa

2% is average for the year.
Typically every employee who isn't sucking ass with subpar performance will get this. If you didn't get above 2% you are essentially disposable to your employer.

>>728837320
Oh! you work in a factory... Never mind, take what they gave you because they will replace you with no worries..

>>728837049
I'm in the military where this doesn't really translate into pay-raises for me; but when I get into trouble and they threaten to kick me out, I pull out my spreadsheet and recite the following: "To recruit and train someone to my position would cost 2.8 million US Dollars. Going back twenty years, I've saved or made the US Government between 1.3 (at the beginning of my career) and 43 million dollars (last year), each year.
"The question isn't whether you can afford to kick me out; it is if you can afford to replace me."

>>728837489
Sheeeeiiiiiiiiii

>>728837320
1. Join a Union.
2. Get a Union job.
3. Enjoy the glorious benefits of a Collective Bargaining Agreement.

>>728834314
You should be thankful you get to work at all, you little fuck. There's people in Indonesia who can't get a job. You know what happens to them when they can't find work? They fucking starve to death. And here you are asking for pay raises when you know perfectly well you're not worth more than 2 meals and a cot in the back room. Welcome to the global labor market, buttercup. You're not worth anything more than the one person in the world willing to work for the least. I'll bet you get health insurance too, don't you, you little ungrateful shit? Elsewhere in the world, people get hurt, they get fired. They get tossed out of the building and they fucking die. And nobody gives a fuck about them except that new job opening. That's how it should be everywhere, you goddamned snowflake. You should be begging to work for nothing more than 2 meals and a cot you self righteous narcissistic bastard. You're the reason America ain't great anymore. You're the reason the economy fucking sucks. You just suck off your company until there's nothing left. Your company should be dominating the world markets. But for having to pay all the parasitic self entitled snots like you.

>>728834314
Nope. Sounds like cost of living, which they have to give full time employees every year.
You're getting hosed, anon.

>>728837945
This is a great answer.
Made 60k starting at 17 to join a Union and do fuck all.

>>728837949
Nobody gives even the slightest fuck about Indonesia. Stop comparing it to the first world. The American economy is fantastic. Stop trolling and get back to your ramen factory you chink cunt.

>>728834314
Is it opposite day? That's less than both times they raised minimum wage.

>>728834314
considering th Consumer Price Index only went up 0.3% getting a nearly 2% raise isn't that bad. Next year you should get more though.

>>728838098
College-educated jobs don't pay shit anymore, because no one is learning trades.

OP is a tradesperson... and if they do an apprenticeship and attain journeyman status in their trade, especially as a welder, OP could be pulling down six-figures in a few years.

>>728838098
>Nobody gives even the slightest fuck about Indonesia
You're competing against them tho.

>>728834314
1.8% is pretty bad. Inflation rate for the year is what you want to check to see how bad.

I'm an engineer and have worked at a few companies. Best I've had was 2.5%, some years nothing. Granted economy has largely been in the shitter while I've worked.

My dad had the glory years of at least 5% every year with a nice pension to go with. I asked about pension at my first job and they just laughed at me like I asked for a unicorn.

>>728837945

I have a union job and have received this level of raise the past couple years. Union negotiated hard just to get it. We nearly went on strike. Economy is rough right now.

>>728838443
For some industries... I live in Poduck-Bumfuck, Nowhere and Union Plumbers here make 100k a year.

Unions are the worst thing that ever happened to America.

>>728838609

Yeah I work for the guberment. Apparently the libs (Canada) want to throw all the tax money at foreign shit and fuck everyone who, you know, actually lives in this fucking country holy shit Trudeau is the worst.

Union members are all communist scumbags

>>728834314
https://discord.gg/cMD2Vch

>>728834314

I have to laugh at all these anons talking like tough guys, and demanding 10% raises.

News flash, jobs are scarce, and companies hold all the cards. No, a 1.8% isn't cause to celebrate, but at least you have a job, and at least you are getting a raise.

It's true that it might just keep pace with inflation. The point is, the alternative is you're unemployed.

So be happy you have a job, be happy with 1.8%, and if you want more money, look for jobs at other companies.

If you can't find a higher paying job elsewhere, then that tells you you'll have to make do with what you have.

>>728835901
You can negotiate for more next year

>>728838813
I don't know about the Libs in Canada, but the Libs in the US also sort of hung the Unions out to dry. The Unions deserved it because they focused on politics more than organizing, but organized labor, especially in the trades, is essential to tradesmen getting paid for their labor.

Every cock sucker asking for raises deserve to lose their job to someone overseas. All you narcissistic bastards are overpaid snowflakes.

>>728838400

Dude, if the "best you had" was 2.5%, WTF is the difference in saying 1.8% is "pretty bad". So you're saying that the difference between "pretty bad" and "best you've had" is 0.7%? Jesus Christ.

>>728834314
No thats really bad. I've been with my company 6 months and they recently gave me a 3.5% increase. Haven't taken a day off, really producing a lot

>>728834314
Face like that you could escort and make more role-playing in a weekend than you earn in a year.

>>728834314

I make about $100K doing software/DB support, team leader work, and general business analyst type work.

My bosses all love me, I'm like a superstar in their eyes, and I got a 3% raise this year, which I consider to be very good.

The sad fact is I'm lucky to have a job. I make enough that I'd be happy with 0% raise, just happy to have a decent job.

>>728839361
I was pointing out that the best I have had was still not good.

>>728839079
Basically this, but not for the reasons he's talking about. The paradigm has shifted from the days of our fathers; there is no such thing as a company man, just a fool. No employers are going to be on your side, no employers are going to fight for you and try to keep you on. The climate has changed to one where you have to switch companies every 3 or so years in order for your salary to remain competitive. The company will continue to give you a raise every year that's engineered to keep enough employees at a reduced cost than to train new ones. If that equation skews more to the cost of new hires, they will slightly adjust, but it's only for their gains. If they see that a single dollar can be saved by firing you, they will do it without hesitation, and your manager will tell you that it's just not in the budget.

So take your 2 years of work history and fire up that resume machine. Sell it like you're the most important worker there, and don't accept less than $19/hr.

America would have millions of more jobs right now if it wasn't for unions destroying everything.

>>728834314
Here's the reality.

It's abysmal. You didn't even beat inflation.

That said, its better than you're likely to get at most corporations. My buddy at CarMax got a 0.2% raise after 2 years. And no raise for cost of living (in Denver, where my rent goes up $75-100 every year). It's insulting. Especially considering the CEO pay. But, the grass isn't much greener anywhere, so you suck it up.

>>728836096

3%... at entry level or first year?

Not a corporate anon, nor OP. Anyone care to elaborate on why 3%? I read the inflation shit,

>wouldn't like 3.6 be fair, to offset the inflation?

>>728839493
What the fuck?

What do you do, and where?

>>728839211
It wasn't the libs, it was the Clintons and the "new dems" who turned their back on labor. Fucking center-right motherfuckers. That is why we're living in Trumpistan now - if we had a real liberal instead of Hillary running in the last election, things would have been quite different.

>>728840117
>and don't accept less than $19/hr.
>but accept welfare when nobody wants your entitled ass.
kek

>>728840400
Libtards are all scum and deserve to die. Fuck em all, the faggot snowflakes and their welfare for drugs bullshit.

>>728840117

Yeah, I agree, that's sort of what I was saying in my post that you replied to.

Companies will give bare minimum raises to keep you employed, but they will open up the vaults to sign new employees.

If you have marketable skills, and making more money is your goal, then definitely change jobs often, and if possible, get a job in a major city, because they pay way more.

If you're young, it's almost impossible to make out by staying at one company. Keep switching for more money until you are at least in your early 30s. Eventually settle on a place where you enjoy working, but when you are young, you need to change jobs often to bump up your salary.

>>728840723
You're the reason all the jobs are leaving the country. Ever think of that?
No, of course not. You entitled little liberal shitstick.

>>728840214

You are retarded with your "lib" talk. Corporations own everything in 2017, unions are dead, and jobs suck more than ever before.

The standard of living today, with no union influence, is WAY worse than it was back when unions were strong. There is absolutely no debate about that.

I'm not saying unions are great, but handing the keys to the kingdom to monopolistic corporations has only resulted in the ass-raping of workers and America.

You are begging for table scraps from CEOs who light cigars with $100 bills.

>>728840214
>America would have millions of more jobs right now if it wasn't for CEOs destroying everything.

Ftfy. Do you know that when Daimler Benz bought (supposedly merged) with Chrysler, the CEO of Chrysler made 8 times as much as the CEO of Benz? Chrysler had been the shittiest of the three major US automakers, while Benz was considered among the best in the world. And yet, fucktards like you claim again and again that unions are the problem. The problem is all found in the C-suite and incestuous corporate boards.

>>728840957

WTF are you talking about? Are you 0/10 trolling, or just truly retarded and incoherent?

>>728841322

+1

This is obvious to anyone in the workforce today.

I went from $38k to 55 in two years.

Interviewing for a $90k position this week.

>>728841381
Ignore the troll - he has nothing of value to offer, and the cavity between his ears is filled with bullshit.

>>728841203
Oh cry me a fucking river and then drown in it you libtarded cuck. It's a GLOBAL labor market now, you self righteous cunt. Get over yourself and get with the program or you'll wind up fucking the whole country over with your "I'm worth so much more than anybody else".

You have one inalienable right. You have the right to be the highest paid FORMER employee on the unemployment line. THAT'S your goddamned communist union legacy. Quit blaming everyone else for your job going overseas. YOU kept asking for too much. That's why the jobs left. It was because of you.

>>728841381
You keep asking for more and more money. Then you wonder why corporations took their jobs overseas - to people more grateful just to have a job. Congrats, moron. Your attitude is the reason jobs left America.

>>728841813
you need help

>>728835788
>this anon might be right >>728834494,
he is right
> it's still a fair raise
no it's not

>>728841322
Chrysler was union. Daimler was not. Daimler learned in 6 months that unions were the problem. Daimler divested itself of all union bullshit. Daimler is trading 6x better than Chrysler right now. And that WITH the fiat fiasco.

Anything lower than 3% is barely noticeable unless your working overtime consistently.

When did 4chan turn into the American socialist party?

>>728841813
And what do you do for a living? My guess is sales, but I'm just guessing. Or are you 12 years old, and have no concept of what the trophy is for those that win the race to the bottom. Protip: It isn't something you want to put on your mantel.

>>728842620
All German corporations are union. Only privately held company aren't. What's more, the unions in Germany typically have a seat on the corporate board, as does a representative from the government, to ensure all stakeholders have representation. Pull your head out of you ass and learn a few things before spouting your bullshit.

>>728842929
I own a small fleet of trucks operating in the midwest.

Your company doesn't care about you as an individual. You're a necessary expense, one that they'll cut loose the moment it saves them any amount of money. It doesn't matter what you've done for them - even in the middle to higher tier of a company.

Why? Because they don't look at it as 'you helped save them another two salaries' by doing the work of three people. Your bosses boss looks at it as payroll went down. When you get a raise even at 1.8%, they don't look at how profits raised to meet that. They look at it as their workforce expense going up 1.8%.

Being liked or doing a better than good job will not get you anything. Playing the numbers will. As others said, unless you're willing to walk, you'll never get anything. Even then it's rare - most pay raises of any significance aren't given by tenure or doing a good job, but by going to new jobs in new companies. They know that you're currently doing a job for X amount, so why on Earth would they pay you Y amount? It looks bad for your boss that payroll went up, and that's all that matters to your boss and his boss.

If you want a raise, do your research. Look up entry level and median salaries for your similar job title. Be prepared to walk. Go in and prove that losing you would cost them more in recruiting/training a new hire. Be prepared for this to be held against you for years if they do cave and give you a raise. Expect to be given increased responsibilities later that they'll say you agreed to when you took the raise. Expect that to never stop. Expect that your past raise will be used as leverage against you when you go to fight for another one.

Eventually, you will have to either be happy with what you're being paid or find a new position. Climbing the ranks through tenure, ability, so on and so forth is no longer the norm. It's now the exception.

>>728843359
So a scrap hauler, with one (barely) running pickup and another on blocks in the yard? Ladies and gentlemen, we have a "job creator" here!

>>728843359
I deal with crybabies like ITT all day long. Guys who don't want to move, guys who don't want to do their jobs, guys who want time off every week, and then they all complain about how their paycheck is so fucking small. It's small because he only did 1600 miles that week. I averaged 2800 miles a week. Even with time off, I averaged 135,000 miles a year. And these liberal crybabies only put in 80-90K and then cry about their paychecks. Damned near impossible to find a good hard worker under 30yo.

>>728843797
14 reefers - though one is getting an engine overhaul right now. It'll be back on the road next week.

>>728842802
NEETbux don't grow on trees. They grow from the fruits of other people's labor.

>>728844146
So how much do you pay your drivers? Benefits package? I'm guessing they work hard - are they able to save anything, or is it paycheck to paycheck?

>>728844436
Maybe it's time to finally get my autism diagnosed and start living the neet life

>>728844641
They start at 26cpm (cents per mile) and move up from there. My highest paid driver right now makes 39cpm. They all get major medical, dental, optical - by law, of course. Obamacare damned near put me out of business.

As for how they actually work? I'd replace half of them if I could. They're lazy whiners who barely move the trucks enough to make the payments. The other half make a good living.

>>728843997
>My highest paid driver right now makes 39cpm
>I averaged 2800 miles a week
That's $1,092 a week
Or $56,784 a year
Being generous and assuming the truck is going 70 MPH -at all times- puts it at 40 hours a week.

Do you pay for the fuel/upkeep of vehicles or do the drivers?

>>728845348
Sounds like you might benefit from some good leadership skills. Most successful business owners don't resent the people who are making money for them.

>>728845841
You think I paid MYSELF 39cpm? I OWNED my truck. You need to double that before you're in my ballpark, son.

And most of my trucks are governed at 68 for the insurance and fuel savings.
My drivers - all American OTR drivers - are allowed 70 hours in any given 8 day period.

>>728846098
I wouldn't resent them if they were making me money. See above.

>>728846220
I was judging your miles per week as a baseline for what you consider a good employee, which I'm guessing is what you'd consider your highest earner?

>>728846098
>>728846340
For instance, last month I had a driver who calls me up and tells me, "get me out of here before I kill this guy".
Now, he hadn't had reason to call me in over a year. No whining, no complaints... he just does his job.
So I pull him out of there, no questions asked, we got someone else to deliver the load two days later. I still don't know what the hell went down and probably never will. Didn't matter - I had a good driver call me with a legit problem. And we dealt with it.

>>728846675
Oh hell, he makes more money than I do sometimes. There's been a couple of months that he made the difference between red and black ink. I'm always worried that I might lose him. But I also have other drivers that barely generate enough to make the truck payments - they're often pushing me into the red. You think I give a shit if I lose any of them?
But that's truckin.

>>728843675
ive gained inspiration from your words. but im not mentally nor physically ready to take this responsibility so im gonna stay at the bottom for a bit longer.

>>728847182
I got one driver last week. The week before, he only logs 33 hours of work. That's part time for you schleps? That's shit time for a driver. And then he's on the phone whining that he didn't make any money.
Helllo - do some fucking work, you lazy turd.
But he won't. He's at home fucking his gf. Every fucking time he swings by his home he has to stop to fuck his gf. I hired him to make one specific fucking run so he could stop by the house, pick up his mail and move on. But no, he fucking stops and sits all night long like he's a fucking bank teller. Then he starts whining about how he's not making any money.
Some people are just too goddamned stupid.

>>728847964
Seems like whining is part of the company culture from the top down.