does the US border wall need guard towers? an impenetrable wall

what if.. WHAT IF THEY HAVE A GRAPPLING HOOK?

>>728598554
Just put webcams every 50 feet and /pol/ will probably do the job for free

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>>728598554
>he still thinks they are building the wall.

>>728599348
the wall in the pic

>>728599290
kek

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>>728598554
>impenetrable wall
the guards are what would make it impenetrable. otherwise it'd be like the nights watch, so undermanned that the only thing keeping them out is magic ICE agents.

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>>728598554
>Implying ANYTHING is impenetrable given enough time and energy.
All security systems do is slow the attacker down enough so that the police/security can arrive to arrest them. If nobody responds they WILL fail eventually. This goes for all security systems in the world, if someone is determined enough and they have enough time and the right tools, they'll get in eventually

>>728600324
Oh, kid...

>>728598554
It will take a hell of a lot of guards. Personally I think the entire idea is asinine. No matter how it is built somebody, aka the cartels, will either dig under it or blow a big ass hole in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waHPeTcIucM

>>728601722
or just go around it, pretty much a modern day Maginot Line. Before anybody says the coast guard will stop it these fuckers are crafty, they use disposable fiberglass submarines and already do attempt to tunnel under the border

>>728602276
Indeed and the fact that the us tax payers are paying for said wall makes it all the more ironic

if Trump wanted to really MAGA, he would bring all of our military home and station them along the border. No wall, no even a fence, just signs posted saying "ENTER LEGALLY AT THE AUTHORIZED CROSSING. OTHERWISE, YOU WILL BE SHOT AND KILLED"

But he's just another slob doing what he's told by his Jewish daughter and son in law

>>728602276
the coast guard that trump has already cut funding for

>>728602599
anyone who believed that he was actually going to force Mexico to pay for it are complete morons. What the fuck would he use as leverage?

>>728598554
nigga, that shit will never be finished, if its even started. the cost of building it alone is insane, let alone maintaining and manning it.

>>728602276
Tunnels and subs are too expensive to use for regular human transport. 250 pounds of coke is worth very roughly $10 million in the US and $1 million in Mexico, so you can make a $9 million in smuggling fees. A 250 pound Mexican will pay about $4000 in smuggling fees. I mean you can argue about the numbers a little bit, but it's not even close.

>>728601152
What if they put landmines behind the wall?

>>728602974
morons are his voter base. he holds rallies every week and they chant "Lock her up! Lock her up!"

Do you really think anything matters to them?

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>>728598554
Needs some of these as well, German design...

>>728601228
are you blind? They're clearly building the wall

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>>728598554
>be Mexican
>pack your stolen '84 Toyota pickup with industrial grade, flaming hot burrito spices
>paint your shitbox green, white, and red - muh pride
>sing hail mary over and over as you blast onward to "the wall" at a whopping 54 mph
>caress your beloved steering wheel and remember the good times you've had transporting countless stolen white women and kidney victims in the hollowed out fuel tank
>jump out and watch as your beauty goes the distance
>tear rolls down your face as an explosion engulfs the last of your toyota's life is snuffed out
>you do some kind of Mexican salute
>the dust clears and a gaping hole sits in the giant concrete slab of a wall
>you, and countless others run for the hole to rejoin the land you were inappropriately removed from
>a list of "to do's" stream through your mind ranging from forming a gang, sitting on street corners yelling at traffic being on your turf, to hitting on your cousin in ways that would put southern white states to shame
>get to the town you first illegally moved to so long ago
>no jobs, job security, or healthcare anymore
>everyone hates everyone, even the niggers
>police are even arresting white people for no reason
>where muh country gone?
>look back, in the long distance, at the hole you sacrificed your beautiful metal girlfriend to
>cry yourself to sleep before getting up to pick cabbages every night for the rest of your life
>die alone because you cheated on and beat every woman you came across
>feel sorry for yourself and feel like America is unfair

>>728598554
UAV's will do the jump

>>728599348
this

fucking this

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>>728598554

>>728604057
surely you mean in front of the wall

Nothing is going to change, the only thing we will gate is be hate from the world and that is sucks.

>>728602974
You're a fucking moron. Increase taxes on traded goods until we've evened out. Of course they're not going to fucking ask for a check.

>>728604732
meanwhile all the other countries with border walls like isreal, jordan and the likes with reported border jumpings down 97% complain about us putting up walls...

>>728598554
Are you telling me that the wall is not a double wall?

They need seismic detectors to tell when they're digging under it.

>>728604751
If you do that Mexican businesses will pass it onto American consumers through price rises.

>>728604732
you realize nearly every other country in the world has stricter border laws than we do right?

>>728605011
The wall goes as deep as it goes high. If they can't get over it they sure aren't going to be able to go under it.

>>728604057
Landmines go between two walls, unless this will be a single wall then it will suck

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>>728598554
The wall will not prevent illegal immigration because the vast majority of illegal immigrants come in legally via plane and merely overstay their visas.

Also, the wall isn't going to be paid for by Mexico. In all likelihood, if a wall is to be built at all, it will be built with Americanbux. Mexico will not reimburse us, especially because sending back murderous criminals to their country does not warrant good relations.

>>728605108
>you realize nearly every other country in the world has stricter border laws than we do right?
but no better enforced if they have land borders.

>>728602974
What would we use as leverage? How about the massive trade deficit that they're profiting from hand over fist? Or the American industry that has sought out cheap labor in Mexico? You imbecile, we have all the leverage and they have none. They'll pay, or we could easily cripple their economy while taking a much smaller hit ourselves.

This is a wall:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier

>>728605273
Also:
It's called The Art of the Deal, not The Art of the Demand. Donald Trump must've had a ghost writer because he clearly has no idea what a good "deal" is.


Tell me how he can get Mexico to pay for this wall with his business skills!

>>728604751
the increased taxes will be passed onto the consumer, mexico ain't gonna feel a thing. American citizens on the other hand are going to be paying billions for a near useless and probably soon dilapidated wall, whilst smugly pronouncing "we didnt pay for it"

>>728605715
tax on remittances

>>728605108
the E.U. has open borders

>>728605558
That's against World Trade Organisation rules.

If you try bulling Mexicans in an illegal way, they're going to say fuck off. And other countries will support Mexico so that they aren't next.

>>728605101
If they have that kind of power why haven't they done it already? It's the smart thing to do. With the increase in American businesses from increased import/export taxes it will serve to promote American jobs. I don't really fear Mexican businesses increasing prices. Most companies raise prices based on competition and supply, if they could raise the prices successfully they already would have.

>>728605867
Yeah, and they are fucked.

It does not matters, they will cross, do you understand the wall its bullshit, it will not stop for getting people or drugs into america. either way the drugs dealers are everywhere in the world and is not from mexico its form other places.
it's throwing money to garbage

But in WW3 they will stop for building it, they will need more money

>>728606172
wrong

can anyone figure out what this guy is talking about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm4N1Rr-u5k

>>728601152
anon describing my experience in 7D2D

>>728605923
Because you set your prices as low as you can afford. That's good business.

>Most companies raise prices based on competition and supply
oh, they do not! If you rises prices and your competitors don't, you really think you'll keep your sales?

>>728602104
fuckin runner zombies man

>>728606172
You are fake news

>>728602626
US mil cannot operate domestically without a declaration of emergency/martial law

>>728606172
it will definitely stop the people who climb over the shitty walls we have now.

you pretty much have a loser mentality.

>just let them do it we already lost

god i hate people like you

would it be more cost effective to build railroad tracks along the path of the wall to bring all those materials out to the middle of nowhere? Cause one trip with a train could bring as many wall pieces as zillion trucks.

>>728599290
They are doing the job, they actually stopped a few.

>>728606896
no

now making a road the entire way would be preferable

>>728606896
railroads cost billions to build. If it passes over private land which needs to be purchased the cost just goes up.

The wall is not going to change os or USA, but we will be not america anymore guys, every place in the world is going to hate os.

that's for sure

i am out of this conversation

>>728605847
How exactly would this benefit Mexico?

>>728606877
How is "this" wall gonna stop them? Shit, 20 billion dollars later & Pedro just gets a taller ladder.

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>>728598554

Fun fact

The Trump administration just figured out last week that a large portion of the US-Mexico border is the Rio Grande river. If we build a wall on our side it essentially means we are giving up the river to the mexicans.

>>728607438
It wouldn't which is the point. Mexicans living abroad sent home a record amount of money in 2016, over 27 billion dollars. If the US taxed that at 30% there would be almost 7 billion in additional funds that go to the US budget and out of the Mexican economy.

>>728607785
>pedro can afford a taller ladder

jej

that's a fact,

pedro jump from a plane.! LOL

>>728598554
FUK U STUPID AMERICAN YOU ARE JUST GONNA KILL THE WILD LIFE

Most countries protect themselves from illegals by issuing compulsory ID cards to citizens. No ID, no home, no job, no car, no eduction. Nothing.

But an Anglophone country like the US would never allow the government to do that. It was tried by the Blair/Brown governments in the UK, and people were up in arms. It had to be cancelled.

In the US the reaction would be even stronger, so what can you do?

>>728607438
It wouldn't, but it would eventually pay for the wall.

>>728607875
I lived along the rio grande in new mexico. Ever since elephant butte and caballo Reservoir were constructed, we've controlled the water flow. Most of the year there's no water flowing, so you're point is invalid

>>728607963
People don't like paying taxes, and will avoid it wherever possible. How might a Mexican avoid that tax? Bitcoin.

come one we are talking man not fighting

>>728608465
>Bitcoin
As long as you don't mind insane price fluctuations then go for it.

>>728608465
They aren't smuggling the money back home, there is a system in place that tracks the transaction. I suppose that if it were taxed that there would be some smuggling but I can't imagine that would be much (if any) cheaper.

>>728607875
Get real you cucks the CIA is flying in billions of drugs every year into the U.S. they are calming the public
>see the boys on the tracks
>stop being so short sighted
Why do you think we are in Afghanistan?
Yeah because of drugs
Grow the fuck up

>>728608632
On the US side bitcoin would work for a portion (but not all) of the Mexicans sending money home. On the Mexican side, most of the money is going to rural and/or poor that have almost no tech skills.

>>728608685
I know they're not smuggling it back, nut if you slap on a 30% tax they'll start! You can't track bitcoin, so if they go that route, you'd have to tax everyone, including Americans buying from Americans.

>>728608632
It would be cheaper than 30% tax

So is everyone here an expert in politics/economics?

>>728604751

>check

>>728598554
no it doesnt. most illegal immigrants came here on a plane and overstayed their visa. the number of illegal border-crossers is insignificant

>>728608962
It's not difficult to get bitcoin on a smart phone. Even 3rd world poor have those

>>728608008
Pedro looks at the wall; "Chinga tu Madre, that wall is too tall for my shitty ladder! oh well i'll just use one of these tunnels."

>>728602276
they fly over in a plane, legally, then overstay their visa. why is this so hard for everyone to understand.

>>728609432
It's about 40% who over stay, but you're right.