Okay /b/ Let's say someone's having a police raid-search

Completely remove? Open the drive and smash the disk into powder.

Encrypt using 256bit or higher bullshit

Why do oyu want to incriminate yourself

>>best way to completely remove files from his computer, as well as completely remove what I deleted from the recycle bin?

Thermite

Delete system 32?

Boot from a Linux flash drive, and dd /dev/zero /mnt/[HDD NAME]. Afterwards a nail through the disk is a good measure.

As for encryption, can't say much other than it will make booting / large file reading a lot slower.

>>728423603
Delete system 32.

>>728423603
> someone's having a police raid-search at this house tommorow,

They schedule these things now? What is there a secretary that calls you up and tells you to expect a raid between the hours of 12pm and 6pm?

>>728423603
to make your files irretrievable you have to completely destroy the drive. in a raid you don't have time for a software-based approach. complete destruction is your only option.

>>728423706
>>728423740

this will work.

I'd just remove it and stash it at your parents / friends house. Then just pop a new drive in with a fresh install. Otherwise just google for data destruction software.

>>728423603
a giant hammer, just that !

>>728423603
in the us refusing to decrypt a drive police have a warrant to search is misdemeanor obstruction of justice

but the cops need to know where to look. encrypt your files, hide them in a hidden partition which is hidden in another encrypted partition. decoy layers.

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>>728423603
plug the harddrive you want to erase as a second harddrive on a second pc

low level format this shit
you can find programs that does the job

and to be sure it works, burn the harddrive

f i r e

>>728423603
DBAN

>>728423603
overwrite all necessary files or fully corrupt them somehow and encrypt with a OTP.

>>728423603
>>Hear shout at door, pick up .9mm, place barrel to the middle of the hdd, remove safety, pull trigger.

>>728423603
Put all the files you want to keep from your hard disk and whatever else and move it over to a backup. Then destroy or throw out the old drive.

>>728424194
Oh the ignorance....

put everything in a microwave. once you start seeing frequent sparks, its wiped and dead

but by doing that, its suspicious and gives the police grounds to try get a warrant to investigate all your internet activity

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>>728423740
This, if you want to have it still intact you'll have to check out:
A) Is your hard drive an SSD? If yes simply deleting completely destroys your data, ssd's work like that.
B) In case it's an older model you'll need to overwrite everything, the fastest way i could think of would be to take eraze the filesystem with a simple fast format and then copying some large files on there to fill up most of the space (large files get transferred faster than small files of the sum of the same size). Then smaller files. Then the smallest ones.
If you're a lazy fag you might wanna check for removal tools like abylonsoft shredder, plus random recovery tools in order to verify that you can't find shit anymore. Remember to delete your system as it's pretty likely you've left traces of WHATEVER you're trying to get rid of.

Open it and smash the disks with a hammer, no big pieces.
The microwave everything to be sure.

Get some bolt cutters, completely destroy it as in greater than 50 peices
then burn it for good measure
then bury the burnt bits

>>728424343
Why is this suspicious? I microwave my hard drives regularly.

>>728424317
Shh, let people think that Anonymity is a thing that still exists.

>>728424433
lol, they get cold at night...

>>728423603
Smack dat bitch like your father smacked your mother

>>728424194
>police at door
>grab gun
>fire round after refusing to open door
>120 rounds removed from body at the coroner's office
This plan works too I suppose

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>>728424194
9 mm wont perforate the case of a standard 3.5".

if you're lucky the shock might shatter a disk, or two but theres no guarantee on that.

>>728423603
if theres time DBAN
if theres no time DRILL
if you're living at least 50m off the ground toss the drive out of the windows onto something solid.

water does nothing.
normal fire does nothing.
thermite is unreliable and dangerous.
quick format is unreliable.
proper low level format takes ages.
proper encryption is safe but vulnerable to corruption.

for encryption use vera or the last good truecrypt.

If you destroy it get rid of the remains, throw it in a river or bury it or something like that.

>>728424433
because its destroying potential evidence
idk what country OP is in, but where i live it would make the pigs suspicious and they would try get a warrant to look into my digital footprint, passed social media obviously

Overwrite with psuedorandom data. Whole drive via dban or files/free drive space with eraser.

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>>728424462
Well how do you think the feds find you? They COULD theoretically watch and/or save the entire internet history of everyone, but on the other hand they lack the capacity to do so, so you only get caught if you end up in one of their traps.
Let's say one of their traps was the new linkin park album you've downloaded, so a fully armed squad enters your home in order to detain you. In order to prevent that you've also downloaded the newest katie perry album you could consider to wreck your drives.

>>728424067
>in the us refusing to decrypt a drive police have a warrant to search is misdemeanor obstruction of justice
no its not, if they told you and you believed them you're fucking retarded. You can be found in contempt of court for not unlocking the device, but relevant cases are still making their way through the system. So far there hasn't been a case where the cops were simply executing a warrant prior to an arrest and didn't already see the files in question. Everything thats been going through the system involves dumbasses showing the cops their stuff and then refusing to unlock it at trial.

>>728423740
this

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open the hard drive, and destroy everything inside it.

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>>728424638
You haven't tried unscrewing it and smashing the insides with a sledgehammer?

>>728424589
Well obviously after you shoot the drive you lay down on the floor with your fingers interlocked behind your head DUMBASS.
>>This why kids keep getting shot by cops, too stupid to think 2 seconds into the future...

take the drive out and heat it over a wood fire or a gas stove - not a microwave oven - until it glows.

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>>728424771
it simply takes to long.

and if you're supposed to get rid of a bunch of drives at once you're royally screwed.

might be a great exercise though.

might be a

>>728423603
just download ccleaner
and select wipe free disk space at least 7 times

CCleaner wipe empty space is enough

"a police raid" consists of one maybe two 50+ year old local policeman going through your files.
They dont have to money and manpower for NSA-style phorensic, and CCleaner is a medium-to-big problem even for them

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you should keep important files on a 256/512gb SSD. even better if it's a nice external SSD. one they don't store old data like platters do. two they format faster and completely erase all data when they do. three they come with built in encryption. four no need to wipe free space because there is no free space, it's used and discarded as needed.

basically, only misinformed people still store shit on HDDs.

>>728423929
op must be in europe

>>728424648
>implying they only have a warrant for the hard drive and not the whole computer and your isp
You're cute, kid

>>728424914
might be a what?

>>728424382
>is your hard drive a ssd
>simply deleting will work
>eraze
>only one overwrite
>done manually
>this whole post

Wew lad.

Op it depends on why they're searching you. They won't spend the resources required to look at residual electrons for a misdemeanor so a simple 0x00, 0xFF, then random overwrite would be fine there

>>728424648
this is why i keep about a hundred really old hard drives just sitting around. most of them don't have working interfaces any more (RLL anyone? heh) and they've all been wiped with huge, fuck-off magnets. if the cops want to go through my stuff, they'll have to go through all of the drives. it should take them months just to find the parts that will allow them to be read, or it'll cost them a huge amount of money for a recovery agency.

>>728424067
>what is the right to not self-incriminate

>>728423740
What about hydrofluoric acid?

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I've been thinking about pottery ovens
I mean, you SHOULD have a clean drive arround so your computer looks like it's operating normally while all those other ones fry while the cops search your shit.

>>728423603

Put a blank HDD in the PC, install Windows on it, fill your internet history with "how do i donate to police" and "funny animal videos"

>>728424791
>implying they are waiting for the door to be opened before shooting
>implying cops don't shoot people lying on the ground
Wew lad

>>728425098
oh, right, i'll just run down to Wal-mart and buy an economy size bottle of HF. they keep it next to the fuckin' white vinegar.

>>728425046
>They won't spend the resources required to look at residual electrons for a misdemeanor
As far as i've read this was done with single bits, but never with an entire drive. Did i miss something?

>>728423603
what are magnets?

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>>728425234
Magnets don't randomly polarize the data:
Think of bits as not 0 and 1 but as 0 to 10 and everything above 5 gets interpreted as a 1.
If you apply a magnet the original 9 gets a 4 thus not directly readable but with the given resources you can still do it.

>>728425209
And thermite is easier to find.

>>728425189
>>implying cops don't shoot people lying on the ground
As long as OP is white it should be all good.

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>>728425409
shit, thermite is easier to MAKE.

>>728423603
if I were you I would remove the hard drives, destroy them by disassembling and using a hammer to shatter the disc, dispose of the pieces at a remote location and put in a fresh hard drive

>>728425396
>but with the given resources you can still do it.

yes, but we don't have access to the kind of technology employed by the Culture Minds in Iain M Banks' SF novels. nobody does.

>>728423603
The best thing to do is to completely fucking destroy the hard drive. I mean take it out, cut it in to pieces, smash it, then burn it as hot as you can, then smash up the remnants again, and bury the ashes in different areas.

Experience:
>five years working in computer forensics
>have worked hundreds of computer forensics cases for private, and Government
>my experience in talking about this with dozens of police forensics guys, industry leaders, forensic researchers and forensic recovery software developers
>a degree in computer forensics

Trust me on this one OP

>>728425209
HF wouldn't do shit anyway, it's for dissolving silicon based shit and bones.
Aqua Regia which is made of hydrochloric and sulfuric is for metals, and you probably could get it from Wal-Mart from what I hear.

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They already have copies of whatever the fuck you think you are thinking of getting rid of from a sniffer one house up the network from your house, if you really have something to hide, you've been screwed from the start. Like this entire thread is bullshite and bravado, they don't RAID your house they get an arrest warrant and stop you on your way to the quickstop and then question you and blindside you with ISP records. If they can get you to write a confession, even better just means you'll be in jail less time until your lawyer pleads you out.

>>728425699
"Okay, ready with the door-smashing ram? in three, two, o- wait, he's going out to dispose of the pieces of his shattered hard drive. we'll just wait here quietly until he gets back."

>>728424638
What if you continuously run a strong (neodynium) magnet over it several times? would that fully corrupt the files?

Lawfag here
at least here in the US
It's all circumstantial, which is not enough for a conviction let alone a charge.

So social media/email/forum accounts/etc is fuck all if that HDD is destroyed.

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>>728425714
Don't know, may be true, may be false.

>>728425786
well OP says it's happening tomorrow so I presumed he is asking what one would do today

>>728425812
Magnet shit (usually) doesnt kill harddrives anymore. (Except if it is an really old one)

>>728425779
if it comes to that, they don't need to find anything illegal on your HD. if they want to, they can plug it into their own pc, change the date, leave whatever shit they want to and claim it was there all along.

can you afford a forensic computer expert to point out that the incriminating files were dated four months ago but the sectors were all located in new, un-allocated areas? can you find a judge who actually understands that shit? do you think you have the legal resources to fight the police?

no. we are all fucked. there's no point in hiding your illegal shit. may as well let it float in the wind.

>>728425812
i think it goes without saying that magnets are unreliable just burn or smash it then throw it in some river

>>728425965
Ever tried it?

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>>728423603
>tommorow, what's the best way to completely remove files from his computer
>>tommorow,

Nigger, just get rid of the drive.
You should just be able to toss it in a a lake somewhere the cops won't find it.
If you're really paranoid, open the drive, remove the disks, sandpaper those fuckers.

I just bought a 700GB laptop drive for $60.
Is keeping your "friend" out of jail worth more than $60?

>>728423603
The simplest way is to plan ahead.


Essentially have something akin to an industrial blender/grinder that loops the materials back into the grinding gears over and over again.

This works for large HDD destructive as well as single. In fact, destroying several HDD's together in this fashion would make it even more difficult to recover jack shit from the shattered disks.

Only thing you can really do better would to be having it loop through a section where microwaves are being emitted.


of course this is if you're particularly driven and expecting the possibility of literally being raided.

>>728424986

>implying most of us store shit that needs to be hidden from law enforcement

>>728425046
what is 0x00 and 0xFF dear anon

>>728425970
Exactly! Just take your turn through the revolving doors of crime and get back to it, it's hard as fuck to get out of those revolving doors once you step into them though and you'll pay for it FOREVER.

Just soak it in bleach. It isn't that hard.

>>728426079
It's hexadecimal for binary:
0000 0000 and 1111 1111.
Meaning overwrite everything with ones or zeros.

>>728425752
tell us more information and such if you really did work 5 years in comp forensics. Steps that you undertook to recover files etc.

>>728426165
Can you still drink it afterwards?

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As a means of prevention, would full-disc encryption using something like Veracrypt of Bitlocker be sufficient, assuming it was implemented correctly?

>>728426202
>Meaning overwrite everything with ones or zeros
how would this be effective/halt them from being able to search your HDD?

>>728426228
huehu

>>728425889
Bullshit

Here's how you prove who was behind the keyboard:
>I've done some illegal shit on my computer
>my name is 'anon', and my username is 'userx'

Investigators will consider:
>Has 'userx' logged into 'anon's facebook account?
>Did the same 'userx' log into 'userx' account on his operating system, with his password?
>Was it done around the same time as the illegal activity?
>Was it done in the same established pattern of use as the illegal activity? (i.e., if 'userx' has consistently been inactive between 8am and 5pm, and consistently active between 6pm and 10pm, was the illegal activity done in these timeframes? or during inactive timeframes?)
>Did 'userx' edit 'anon's resume file?
>Did 'userx' access 'anon's email with his password?
>Did 'userx' pay anon's bills online?
>Did 'userx' log into 'anon's bank account?
>Did 'userx' research topics that are of an interest to 'anon'?
>Did 'userx' log into 'anon's university account, or submit assignments with 'userx's email account to 'anon's lecturers?
>Did 'userx' copy content onto any removeable devices that 'anon' used at work, or school?
>Did 'anon' plug his phone the computer whilst 'userx' was logged in?
>Did 'anon' have files that are relevant, useful, and personal to him on 'userx's account?
>Did 'userx' log into a wireless router which is owned by, registered to, and has the password set by 'anon'?

You get the point. It all establishes accountability and ownership. And anyway, I can cite a few cases where this concept was entirely ignored by prosecutors, and the defendant (who was innocent) was found guilty and put in jail for 7 years as a pedophile. He killed himself not long after.

>>728426277
Ask Dred Pirate Roberts

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>>728423893
I cant tell if this is bait, the worst joke ever made in existance, way over my head, or if you havnt been on this board for more than 5 minutes in your life

>>728426018
>You should just be able to toss it in a a lake somewhere the cops won't find it.
Just remember to leave your phone at home.

>>728423740
booby trapping a hdd with thermite is a federal crime probably worse than having a hdd full of incriminating evidence. these laws are to protect first responders.

>>728426283
Well if they find only dummy data on your drives they can search it all they want. The evidence on your hard drive has been removed...

Just drill it open and fill it with sand, put it under water, smash it to the ground, put the disk in front of the strongest magnet you can find, use a nailgun at the remains and then throw it into fire.

>>728426283
im guessing it overwrites all data and its all complete gibberish with none of the erased files

>>728423603

You could always download some flavor of linux, run it from the install media, and run shred on it. Or dban.

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>>728426324

>>728423603
Delete system 32

>>728423812
Yep

>>728423893
He's right you known

>>728426214
Could write a book about forensic processes, here's the basic rundown.

>We recieve (or sieze a device)
>Photograph everything with its evidence-code in the photo
>This includes all hard drives, serial numbers etc.
>Commence run sheet and evidence log
>Use a Tableu forensic imager to pull content from hard-drives with a write blocker to put it onto the machine we examine it with
>Our tool of choice is X-Ways forensics
>Perform relevant keyword, file, timeline, log and hex searches
>Search slack/free space
>Parse through recovered files for relevance

Every job is different. One job might be looking at emails, which is easy. Another job might be looking for evidence of IP theft, which requires obviously more intensive searching.

I recently did a job where a guy used a mac to change the timestamps on a file (using bash in terminal), copy the files to removeable media, then delete his bash history. Managed to catch him out because the last line in his bash history was essentially "open bash history", and when you reverse the process of deleting your bash history and ensuring it's deleted, that's the only thing that will be on there.

This was, of course; coupled with event logs, free-space data, mobile communication, cloud synched storage evidence and other artefacts.

"Tell me steps you took to recover files" is way too broad, and while there's a process in place, generally every job will have different steps you'll take depending on the system, devices, circumstances, requirements, budget, etc.

>>728426320
DPR got his laptop abducted while the encrypted portions were still mounted.

>>728426320
his device wasn't encrypted or was unlocked at the time

>>728426692
DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINRAR!!
Like they can't do the same to ANYONE THEY WANT.

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>>728424128
/thread

If you're doing something untoward, do it on one machine with one hard drive, don't save on anything else, and keep a DBAN boot CD handy. When they go BANG BANG POLICE you put the CD in the drive and reboot. What's the problem?
>>728424972
Mrw

>>728426790
It's hard to delete files lock a PC with tear gas filling the room.

>>728426674
hmm, another bit of a broad question, but what would give off the red flag for you or whoever does it, to seize someones HDDs/SSDs or PC? Is there a minimum amount of required illegal activity that would make it worth your time to go to such effort?

>>728426831
No they can't. DPR was conducting business in a public library when authorities ambushed him. So long as a good encrypted partition is dismounted you're safe.

>>728427035
That's just NIAVE, you gotta sleep eat and piss sometime, and they get a salary that doesn't mean SHIT about hours, they JUST HAVE TO BE PATIENT. They give you rope and wait for you to string yourself up then they come in at the last second and commute the sentence to time served.

>>728427013
downloading cheese pizza for instance?

>>728426596

Plz justify your improper use of this, its too early in the morning for this faggotry

>>728423603
Dont do illegal shit and you wont need to

>>728427222

Nice trips

>>728427259
WHOA NOW, deleting personal emails is a federal crime, Ask HILLARY, thing is if there are enough laws ANYONE is a criminal. So you can't just say don't break the law...

how fast would 99% sulphuric acid take to destroy a hdd?

When i used to work in the military the comm building would have their own HDD fryer. and a microwave to cook HDDs. good god i had fun cooking a load when i was in. the conveyor belt goes in and magnetically fries all the HDDs. big or small.

cough cough HBCD . cough DoD 5200.i standard cough

>>728427013
It's not my job to assess behaviour of someone while they're getting raided. It's also entirely different every time. I've been to raids where a kid was suspected of being involved in drugs (he was cleared) and his entire family was wailing and screaming, he was terrified and pissed himself. Another one, where three men were involved in a fraudulent investment scheme worth hundreds of millions, were so calm and un-bothered they appeared no more guilty than the little old lady next door.

But you don't get raided for nothing. If you're getting raided, it's because you've done something wrong, or been involved in doing something wrong. You will not get raided purely for nothing.

"Red flags" come from the police, where they're tipped off, or where their investigations have revealed reasonable cause to get a warrant. Similarly, their tips come from people who are reasonably concerned that their IP has been stolen, or someone else has been doing something illegal; and police have the same opinion. You don't get raided for nothing.

>Is there a minimum amount of required illegal activity that would make it worth your time to go to such effort?
I don't understand this. If I'm examining your computer it's because someone reckons you've done illegal things, and it's my job to find it. If you've downloaded child porn, I'm probably not going to be looking for your torrented movies, unless they're related to child porn. Similarly; if you've downloaded bomb-making material, I'm not really too fussed about the pirated software or ripped games you're using - and chances are; the cops aren't going to be too fussed either. With that being said, it's at my discretion whether I want to report it; but then I have to also weigh up whether it is outside of scope and it will get me ripped up in cross-witness examination, whether it will overrun budget, and whether it's relevant in general. It's all about context.

Burn it, if theres something that can get you in jail its better to be safer, if not destoryed theres huge chance they will find out whats on hard drive. if you burn it tho its highly unlikely they will ever get anything from it also consider its better to buy new one later for 60$ then just go to prison for 6 years lmaoo

>>728427441
I'd love your job. I bet its fun looking though peoples files every day.

Do you ever save any good stuff?

>>728427225
The joke is that deleting system 32 will solve any computer problem you have.
(hint: it doesn't)

Need it to run faster?
delete system 32

Need to hid that you were looking at porn?
delete system 32

Think the government has backdoor programs in your computer?
They do, they're hardcoded into the operating system, in the system 32 files.
How do I get rid of them?
delete system 32

Keep all your CP on a microsd card. When they kick in your door you flush it down the toilet.

>>728427217
You've fallen for the myth of the hypercompetent government. The guy who conducted the operation that abducted dpr's laptop said how hard it was, and that was in an optimal public setting.

And it's simple enough to dismount your encrypted partitions when you need to leave to sleep or do something.

>>728425714
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_force_microscope

those things are almost affordable nowadays

>>728427647
insert in anus

>>728427441
Good on you man, keep innocents free, take out the trash.

>>728427600
I'm still in honeymoon phase, I love it. Give it another 5 years and it might start to get boring, but looking through that stuff is what makes it exciting.

Whether it's CP, murder, rape, or a massive whistleblowing, IP theft, fraud or scam job; it's cool being the guy who finds the damning evidence.

Heaps of stuff I see in the news and I can point to going "I was a part of that", which is cool. Recently investigated and forensically examined a nuclear submarine builder's systems, as they were hacked. I had to trace back the 'entry points' (how they got into the system), the 'lateral movement' (how they moved around, and elevated privileges to get access to sensitive stuff), the reconnaissance they performed; and finally where it all came from. Was a Chinese perpetrator acting from a Chinese university; which is a known TTP from nation-state threat actors.

>>728427613

You fucking numbskull he isnt going to do it now, where is the benefit for /b/? There are no lulz to be had here. Youre just repeating some shit you saw in some other thread and dont even know when to best use it.

Pgp

Pretty gud protection, or as I like to call it the cock block

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>>728427771
>not shoving an entire hd up your boypucy

>>728427681
I'm not saying the governemt is hypercompetent, But there are soooo many laws that they can cherry pick whatever they want to charge someone with, Have been able to since Al Capone got put away for tax evasion, someone with authority just needs a reason, then they can MAKE-UP a way. Like if you want to personally attack a presidential candidate... Take ANY peon off the street.

>>728428064
*Pretty good privacy

Also doesn't matter if they've got your hard drive; just in the same way that an account password doesn't matter if a forensic examiner physically has your computer/hard drive.

toboR I <

>>728427851

So are you employed by LE or private firm? What kinda salary are you making?

>>728428227
Private firm, but LE outsources us often. Pretty good salary. When I started off, I was earning around 20K more than my peers in computer science in general. For forensics jobs, my rate is $255 an hour - however the more senior guys (senior managers) charge around $480 an hour.

>>728427222
Well obviously, but would they go after someone if they've just got one downloaded, versus someone with GBs of it? what I mean is would they bother with a person that has 1 downloaded or some cache'd because some fag decided to spam some threads on /b/ with it?.

>>728428104
>there are soooo many laws that they can cherry pick whatever they want to charge someone with
You're def right about that. In the US they've even threatened to put guys in jail until they gave up the passwords to their encrypted volumes. Don't know if they ever actually did this, but it's much different than what happened to DPR's dumbass being caught with his pants down.

>>728428336

Goddammit it i wish i was smart. I cant handle anything more than basic a+ n+ shit

>>728423603
Delete every file (also from recycle bin).
Fill a file with random numbers until drive is completely full.
This will overwrite all data.
Everything else is overkill and bullshit. Unless of course you're dealing with NSA or someone likely who will do the effort to examine the surface of your harddisk with an electron microscope to find that last magnetic anormaly that could decrease the entropy of your shitty keyfiles by some 4 bits or so.

How about all the above? Magnetize it, shoot it, burn it, microwave it, and then just leave it in a bowl of water. Seems pretty failsafe to me

>>728427441
Suppose I worded it badly, say you had a warrant on my PC for something other than CP and found CP cached somewhere or other because someone posted it in a thread on 4chan, would that hold enough clause to stamp me as harboring CP?

>>728423603

@OP What I do is I sandwich my favorite hard drive between two home made electro magnets which are powered by a 240v input

If somebody were to kick my door in, I flick the switch on the side of my case and the magnets will fucking annihilate the drive

It's a WD black 1tb magnetic drive. By time they figure out what's going they'll be lucky if the head is even attached anymore let alone ANY chance of recovering the content

>>728428515
>>728428643
faggots

if you know encryption and are tech savvy encrypt the fuck out of it. Encrypt the encryption, and hide all files on a single partition and encrypt and hide the shit out of it.

If you wanna make sure you'll never get busted for whats on it take off the panel of it and smash the platters then blend them into a fine powder and do whatever with it

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>>728428104

But they cant just pick a person out of the blue and start investigating them. If theyre already being investigated thats another story. And more than that, they usually need to think (have a gut feeling) youre doing something really bad (capone) but they are unable to prove it, so they charge you with whatever to buy some time to find something solid

>>728423603

>remove HDD
>hide it inside of a speaker or inside of a DVD player or someplace the piggies won't look
>install new drive.

>>728428739

What the in the name of the Queen did you just fucking say about me, you little chav? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the SAS, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Ireland, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gentlemanly warfare and I'm the top rooter tooter long range shooter in the entire UK armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this great planet, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, chap. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the world and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, banger. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Royal Marines and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little muppet. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn dolt. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, mate.

Make sure to take a before and after pic of you doing it as you hold a copy of your local news paper that day .. then post it to fb

>>728428861
they got dogs that can sniff out electronics it's how jared fogle was caught

>>728424701
>lack the capacity to do so

this one obviously doesnt know about the deep storage center in utah..

>>728423603
> Picture of HDD
> raid-search
> lel

>>728428963

A DVD player won't smell like electronics?

>>728423603
>what's the best way to completely remove files from his computer, as well as completely remove what I deleted from the recycle bin?

Fire.

>>728428591

This is true. I like getting fucked in the ass. Welcome to 4chan.

>>728423603
Are you retarded? If you know there's gonna be a raid tomorrow why would you not hide the HD at a friends house or something?

>>728428669
If I was examining your computer for something like IP theft, and I saw evidence of child porn; I would raise it with the police. I would also note it in the forensic report and discuss it in court.

However, I would also note that the files were within your temporary internet cache; and were not saved to your computer. I would note that (if it were true), the files could have landed on your machine just through simply happening to land on a page that had a preview thumbnail of CP on it. I would note that in my experience, for example; some people have traces of porn on their work machines, simply because of the advertisements on work-related sites - and would note that it is not necessarily indicative of that individual searching for, or downloading; pornorgraphic material.

You needa understand that just because the police hire me to do a job; doesn't mean I work for them: I work for the facts. If they hire to to examine a pedophile's computer for child porn, and I only see temporary internet traces of it; I'll report it as such - I won't go and try to make it out as if you've downloaded and transmitted child porn; I'll make it out to be exactly what it is.

But that's just me. Very often, defence experts will blatantly present evidence in a manner that is conducive to the defence teams efforts. Similarly, examiners working for the prosecution (ESPECIALLY police examines, they are the worst for it) will present the evidence in a manner that is most conducive to getting someone locked up. So if you've seen CP online (like on /b/), it's best to report it using the report feature, and maybe even report it to a child abuse network. That way; if an examiner is looking through your internet history, they AND your defence team can see that you made best efforts to bring the illegal content to light, that you didn't download it or seek it out, and clearly you're not actively looking at child porn for pleasure - as you reported it in good faith.

>>728429371
How does Best Buy pay and are they hiring?

>>728429678
You sound insecure as fuck bro, good luck to your and your endeavours though. I sincerely hope you end up in a successful and happy place in life, doing the things that you want to.

>>728429790
wtf, I just wanted a job, as a PC forensic. No need to attack anyone.

>>728429790
>insecure
Using a meme out of the blue, one that doesn't even apply to the situation? 10/10.

>>728429992
Oh shit, just googled best-buy. I'm not from states, and thought Best Buy was like Target or something. Totally my bad bro, good luck to you. I'll give you some pointers:

>Get a computer science degree, or better; a computer forensics degree
>Get skilled in cyber security / information security (a lot of forensics knowledge is crossed with cyber security knowledge)
>Look at global consulting firms (big 4, mid-tier etc.) these guys do a whole bunch of that kind of work, and have good graduate entry programs
>Look at accounting offices, they do a lot of forensic / fraud work
>Look at online forums like forensicfocus. They always advertise jobs and are happy to give advice to people trying to get into the field

>>728430091
>>728429992
Feel like a bit of a dick - totally accidental and genuinely didn't mean to have a go. Forensic work is a lucrative and interesting field. If you have any questions about how to get in, let me know - I'm happy to give you as many pointers as I can.

>2017
>Not using encryption
What is your excuse? Processors nowadays have hardware aes encryption, giving you speeds of 500MB/s and more. Basically encryption doesn't slow down your system at all.

>>728426929
I DBANed nce, shit took like 12 hours

>>728423603
simply use ccleaner and check the clean free spaces

>>728428336
Damn how do you get a job in cyber forensics?
What other niche fields command that kind of pay?

>>728425970

You really think a cop is out to get someone that much they need to fabricate evidence?

If they are searching your home they already have enough reasonable suspicion to arrest and charge you in most cases.

So lets say a cop did just place shit on the drive, there is always a trail of when it was placed. That cop would then catch a few felonies lose his job and be in jail. You really fucking think they care about putting you away that much? No they dont.

>>728424638
microwave and upload vid

>>728424382
That's not true at all.
Try it yourself with a flash drive and you'll find everuthing is recoverable until it's been overwritten.

>>728428722
They'll kill your power when they kick in the door. You do know that, right?

>>728430184
how do I properly wipe my hard drive without rendering it unusable?

>>728430680
To clarify: Just because my employer charges $250 an hour, doesn't mean they pay me that ahaha. Considering starting my own business in the field though, simply so that I can get my own rate and keep it. But startup costs are easily $50K at a minimum.

Other fields include cyber security architecture and cyber security engineering, cyber security management, incident response at a management level, and security operations centre management.

I got a job in forensics by getting a role with a cyber security division within a consulting firm; but they seconded me to a different office for a while which did forensic work, due to my forensics degree - and the intention that I'd take that knowledge and start my own forensic lab back at the home office.

To get hired, I started a business during my degree. I was doing privacy / security consulting, where essentially I'd make people invisible online. Then it moved into a seperate business when I got my first business partner, who invested. We started doing investigative work, and conudcted background checks across four continents. The investigative work, mixed with the cyber security and forensics degree, is what got me hired.

I started those businesses with the knowing that just a degree isn't enough, and I needed to both get experience and demonstrate capability / drive. Also, in the meantime, I did very delicate vulnerability reporting. I found security vulns and reported them - did police websites, government/military websites, casinos, massive mining companies, even facebook / paypal / google / mozilla. Did it not for bug bounties, but to put down as experience on my CV. I only recommend vuln reporting to people who have genuinely extensive infosec experience, and understand how delicate vuln reporting is. You should only do it if your country has a CERT which takes public reports (most org's choose prosecution over prevention, I've been interviewed by two detectives before & cautioned over this).

destroy your computer, magnets and fire. then take all of the pieces and go to a local forest and dig a hole and bury that shit. keeping it around, is retarded you're fuckin done for you pedophile pervert asshole OP

>>728424128
DBAN then take the drive apart and destroy it by breaking it into as many pieces as you can and disposing of the pieces in different locations around the city.

>>728431154
Firstly, fresh re-install windows. Then, use CCleaner to wipe free space. Then, guttman wipe free space. Then, use DBAN to completely zero-wipe the drive. Then, re-install windows on it, and repeat the process. But honestly even then it's not a guarantee.

One research professor I know had a lab where he was able to recover shadow volumes from TWO years before the examination, after multiple factory resets, free space wipes and DBAN's. The best policy is still physical destruction.

To add another layer of complexity, you should use veracrypt or truecrypt on everything sensitive before the wiping. That's generally a pretty safe bet.

>>728430258
I used to do your job for a pharma company. The only job I ever had that was more mundane was working the tech bench at Best Buy in the 90s.

>>728431476
Damn, you should take the forensic experience into the consulting / advisory world, or even LE. Would be way more interesting.

I know guys who do forensics for airconditioner manufacturers. How interesting can it get? Forensically wiping computers, and recovering the porn that employees look at can only get so exciting.

>>728424972
yep this is correct.

my computer got stolen once
was at police station as evidence
they went on my computer because the dude who stole it was using it

gave it back to me with

pirated windows
1000's of priated movies and games
the fucking screen said "this is a pirated version

>>728431962
Two words: Molecule Library

>>728430700
Not just A cop, anon

>>728423603
Download this

https://sourceforge.net/projects/dban/

Burn the image on a DVD and boot it. It will ask you to select the targeted hard drives and if you're sure or something like that.
Say yes and it will securely kill all data on your PC by overwriting it with garbage.
Takes a while, though.

>dump everything in the recycle bin and hit delete.
>fill up all you hdd space with a large file and then delete that too
>overwrite free space with several passeswith a program
>can't recover shit now
>still have your original hdd with unrecoverable data on it

Not hard.

>>728431246
Well time to start reading up on cyber security.
I'm looking to go back to uni this fall, would a general comp sci degree be fine as a first step or do you want a bachelor that is more specialized?
And are there any resources you'd recommend someone read if they were considering this path?

>>728423603
ITT ppl helping a pedophile (?)
Lol

>>728432215
Normie

>>728430680
Are you stupid?

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>>728432467

>>728423603
Open it, remove the disk drives, hammer.

Done.

>>728423603
remove all HDDs and bury them somewhere to retrieve after raid?

Acid bath with a strong magnet attached for good measure?

>>728423603

Destroy the physical hard drive. If you have incriminating data, then it's better to go that route, assuming that the crime warrants serious jail time. Tampering with evidence is a crime, but it is a much less serious one when compared to some of the charges that can be brought upon a person with regards to the files they have on their hard drives. Good luck anon. Either way, jail time seems inevitable.

>>728426283
It's not about stopping them from reading it, it's about corrupting the information.

The tactic he uses is basically covering a library in black paint.

The data is still there, but it's masked. And if ALL the data has been set to x00 or xFF, then it's either all black pages, or all empty pages.

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>>728423603
DBAN live boot. 7- level DoD mode. Then drill single hole through hard drive. They will be able to eventually read the disk after a lot of expense, but nothing will be on it. Be sure to do it ASAP and pull the RAM from your computer and keep it warm. All memory will be gone.

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>>728428758
>windows

>>728425133
kek

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>>728423603

drop into volcano

>>728424638
For fucks sake, just chuck it in a microwave and hit the 30 second button. Damn, it smells like summer in here!

>>728429371
Thanks for the info anon, on a bit of an unrelated topic, how much different do you think computer science is to computer engineering, if either is better than the other and if someone with a computer engineering degree could land the same job as you?

>>728425209
Actually, yes, you can go and buy that shit by the 5 gallon jug in any auto supply house.

>>728432908
nice, thanks. How would you go about this though? it sounds extremely specific, unless it's just another way of saying it's to erase data clusters.

>>728433661
Magnets :^)

This is literally a brute force "Burn it" that would take a while.

Even if your HDD writes super fast, it still has to check every volume, every sector, and every block.

That's a looooooooooooooooooooooooot of time wasted compared to a quick 30 second nuke or simply opening the face plate (you'll need either a star screw driver or a hex) and pouring acetone and bleach on it.

>>728424069
more? looks nice

>>728433910
what if you simply partitioned your HDD, put all the information you didn't want found into the partition and then encrypted it with a OTP?

>>728434212
If it is encrypted, then why are you worried about it being raided?

Did you put your faith in a lackluster or backdoored encryption?

>>728434306
no but with the amount of people saying to just brute force the fuck out of the HDD disk it made it seem like mr computer forensics and such can easily decrypt encryptions, obviously excluding OTP.

>>728434486
You are on /b/

If you ask us how to do something, chances are we are trying to get you do something completely unnecessary and out of your way for something that could have been Googled.

So when someone asks "How do I kill my HDD" of course you'll get "Shoot it." "Sledgehammer." "Delete System32." because more than half of the kiddies on this board have no idea how their computers work.

They just turn it on and type.

And let me tell you something. If you asked me how to cross a valley, when there is a clearly visible well constructed bridge, you damn right I'll tell you to jump.

>>728423603
DO NOT ENCRYPT YOUR DRIVES
YOU WILL BE CHARGED IN CONTEMPT UNTIL YOU UNENCRYPT THE FILE(S)


JUST PHYSICALLY CAUSE DAMAGE TO DRIVES
ONLY THESE WAYS ARE GUARANTEED TO DESTROY DATA

-Soaking drives, ram and motherboard in muriatic (hydrochloric) acid (HCL), nitric acid (HNO3), or sulfuric acid (H2SO4)
-Get disk. hammer
-Bottom of ocean 1km out

>>728423603
PURGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ePBNGmxVK8

You're being scrutinised by the police so you go on 4chan and ask how to prevent being incriminated by the police? Jesus Christ you're thick. DBAN would be best, then just stick Windows back on it with a few programs so it doesn't look obvious you formatted it

>>728423603

You idiots do realize I carry this around to prevent you fucking assholes from breaking it, right?

I have no vested interest in the contents of my HDD. I just want it to fucking work when I get home. Fuck you guys.

Put in your pocket and go to the store, find the bleach aisle and drink from as my bottles as you can before the manager comes to stop you.

100% effective.

>>728433910
NSA (FIPS) approved degaussers
http://degausser.com/nsa-approved-degaussers/

>>728435311
>only $20k

Worth.

>>728435417
>>only $20k
>Worth.
Freedom ain't free

>>728425189
>implying we all live in burgerland

>>728435480
I did say it was worth it, didn't I?

After working in a Pharmacy I never even considered the fact that digital data needs to be completely erased for the protection and privacy of clients.

I honestly would hate that job tho.

>We need to scrap over 500 HDD today
>Ok, boot up the TS-1 and lets get zapping

I would die a little inside everyday.

>>728426277
"tell us the password to decrypt the drive."

"no."

"obstruction of justice. fifteen years. next."

>>728423603
Plug it into a linux machine
run 'mount | grep ntfs'
Use the printed directory for next command. Will probably be /dev/sda2
run 'shred -zun 9 /dev/sda2'
Recursive scrambling is done

>>728425776
Aqua Regia is hydrochloric and nitric

>>728426929
>When they go BANG BANG POLICE you put the CD in the drive and reboot. What's the problem?

oh.. they appear to have cut the power to my house.. and the machine didn't boot. and i can't afford a UPS.

>>728423893
Nah, you'll just be deleting the system hardware. Not the contents

>>728427441
>But you don't get raided for nothing. If you're getting raided, it's because you've done something wrong, or been involved in doing something wrong. You will not get raided purely for nothing.


i got raided because a certain asshole's GF ahd dumped him and she moved in with me. he came over all jealous vengeful and told the cops i had CP. they put me through the fucking wringer before they realised the situation and dropped the case. didn't get an apology from them and they didn't prosecute jealous ex boyfriend.

so much for fucking justice.

open up with screw driver torc kind then remove and destroy the hard disc its self after of coarse formatting the drive through many different formats eg fat 32

>>728436243
You should have filed charges for defamation of character.

It was your responsibility, not the police officers, to accuse him for falsely accusing you.

>>728436272
but if its a solid state go in pull out the chips ect and destroy them with a hammer or something

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>>728428077
kids these days don't know how lucky they are. try shoving one of these up your ass without lube.

>>728434855
I'd rtaher be in jail on contempt of court then CP chargers. But if you new the police were coming, just replace the HD with a new one. Take the old one far far away and throw it in someone elses trash can. Encrypt it first incase someone finds it and plugs it in. Nothing they can do then except watch you more closely.

>>728428759
>But they cant just pick a person out of the blue and start investigating them.


why not? it's your word against theirs, and they have quotas to make.

>>728424382
There is a program out there that does this...

erases your drive then writes it full with pi, then erases it again and so on until data is irretrievable

>>728436394
Challenge_Accepted.jpg

>>728425812
You would, but you'll need a really fucking powerful magnet. SSD's now are more elaborate, and are better protected from magnets.

Dont forget to destroy the RAM too. and probably the CMOS. If Intel destroy the processor and ME chip.

>basically burn your whole computer

rplce hdd

>>728424067
The right to remain silent applies to written stuff as well. That means you can be silent if they want you to type in a password. It's not clear that this applies to fingerprint ID or gesture ID, so only protect with a good password, or even better pass phrase.

>>728431246
Mr forensics man, is your job made harder trying to recover data from an ssd?

>>728437771
this is something I'm also curious about

>>728426324
>I cant tell if this is bait, the worst joke ever made in existance, way over my head, or if you havnt been on this board for more than 5 minutes in your life
>>you havnt been on this board for more than 5 minutes in your life

One of the oldest jokes on 4chan just went over your head, newfag.

run linux and use the shred command, op.

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>>728427225
A joke about delete system 32 was made, and you reacted as if serious, even thought it's one of the oldest jokes on 4chan. Hence the "going over your head" imagery. And the joke about your failure to get the joke went over your head as well.

You should get your funny bone checked out, maybe it's broken?

>>728437875

Youre a fucking idiot. See >>728427971

>>728423929
Depending on where op is. In Belgium for instance they are not allowed by law to perform police actions after I thing 6pm until 7am. Fucking stupid and a reason one of the Paris bombers was on the lam for so long. Whenever they found him, he just picked up and moved while the police were sleeping.

>>728438022

Im not even gonna justify this with a pasta

>>728438022

Nice dubs though

>>728437210
Gestures are speech otherwise the cops wouldn't have show up at my door for inciteful speech when I flipped some old bitch off over my shoulder as I walked away.

Not that that's a legal definition yet, like I explained to the cops they don't get to interpret the law, a jury gets to interpret if my actions were insightful.

In any case between flipping the bird and sign language I'm pretty sure gestures as speech is a no brainer.

Fingerprints on the other hand, well they already have those and anybody who seriously uses that is a fucking moron.

>>728431246
Too bad Hilary didn't hire you

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>>728438022
wew lad

>>728431246
Get an MBA and take a Business Loan.

If you work as well as you say and have the integrity you claim, people will return to your services.

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>>728438156
A common reaction when you realize you've fucked up and have no defense.

/welcome to 4chan, newfag

>>728438251
Some court just ruled that finger print is conisdered public and you can be forced to give it up to unlock a phone.

>>728436394
>tfw 250kb was huge

>>728424638
>9 mm wont perforate the case of a standard 3.5".

>pretending to know about firearms

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>>728438424
that was my assumption, e.g. they already have your prints as part of the arrest (and probably already HAD them) so it would be fairly mundane to reproduce them to unlock, no reason to be protected

pic unrebated

>>728423603
Honestly the last version of truecrypt is the way to go. It had a way of writing a hidden partition on a drive in such a fashion that would give you deniability as to whether the partition existed or was just random data, so they can't even force you to give over the passphrase in court.

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>>728438364

Bitch, ive been here since moot left who are you calling a newfag

Look, deletesys32 cant just be thrown around all willy nilly and wasted on every single tech related thread. It needs to be saved for when someone might actually do it

>>728438624
Isn't there a encryption program that allows for 2 passwords. one sends you to a locker with nothing important, the other sends you to the real locker with whatever you have in it, and there is no way of proving there are 2 passwords.

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>>728430898
>>728433417
>>728425812
all drives are shielded against (electro)magnetic radiation. your microwave ofen would burn up before the data on the disks would recieve any damage.

>>728438460
i dont know jack about firearms, but we tried and the disks were all intact after the drive taking severall 9mm shots.
exept a couple shattered disks, from the shock.
however i guess a larger calibre would do just fine.

>People who think that encryption is going to matter when it comes to law enforcement

"We're going to hold you for withholding evidence until you give us your password"

Congrats you're now in jail forever.

Just disassemble it and smash it with a hammer.

>>728438723
who's moot? is that like a meme?

>>728424382

Your SSD advice is pretty much the opposite of true.

Deleting files only removes their index entry. On an SSD, the really bad part is that your files are moved around as to where they are physically stored all the time. It's difficult to really delete/overwrite anything on an SSD without either low level format or manufacturers utility.

want proof? try with recuva. delete files, recover them. tell recuva to secure overwrite them. still can recover them. etc.

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use this

>>728438904

truecrypt used to have a nice solution to this where you could have 2 passwords that would mount 2 different parts of the archive/drive, treating the rest as unused space.

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>>728438970

This Eugene is for you

>>728428722
>@OP What I do is I sandwich my favorite hard drive between two home made electro magnets which are powered by a 240v input
>If somebody were to kick my door in, I flick the switch on the side of my case and the magnets will fucking annihilate the drive
>It's a WD black 1tb magnetic drive. By time they figure out what's going they'll be lucky if the head is even attached anymore let alone ANY chance of recovering the content

all this reminds me of a conservative forum i used to read. it got on the topic of data protection and destruction one day. they all tried to out-do each other with how they destroyed their hard drives when they were done to prevent information theft. they all claimed to go out and shoot the hard drives, then chop them up, grind them down, etc. all ridiculous bullshit.

I wonder if this guy knows it doesn't matter if the heads are attached, or if he ran a 60 cycle homemade electromagnet over it. It sounds like something he'd think he'd see in a movie, but it has no bearing on reality, such as coupling the platters with new logic boards and heads, etc.

>>728424067
Misdemeanor conviction for obstruction of justice or felony conviction for whatever vile shit the cops are actually looking for? Hmmmmm.....

On the other hand what is the best app to recover files from Windows??

>>728439367
WinKey

>>728423603
Not your personal assistant, also KYS, problem sorted, idiot!

>>728439497
>268 replies later

>>728439313
Its for OBstruction. I'd rather be in jail for that than CP. Also stand my ground on the 5th amendment rights here. However I would never say i refuse to give it up. I would say I forgot it when the Police roughed me up. Can't ever actually prove it.

>>728438754
Yes, Veracrypt lets you have hidden volumes

>>728439582
>The password is Mozart's 4th horn Concerto in E flat major

>>728423603
I would say delete system 32 and magnet to hdd kek

>>728424942
Kek!
GTFO faggot!

Store all your data on small external drives, that can easily be destroyed. For example external SSDs or even SD-Cards, but not conventional hard disks. This includes the operating system or otherwise there will be plenty of metadata left. But booting from a read-only drive would be even better. Otherwise you'll have to explain why you don't have a working system at hand.

How is this fucking thread still going?

>>728440078
A encrypted ubuntu volume on a thumb drive.. Your not going to have time to smash something if the police came knocking. Its going to be
"Knock, knock knock, Police "
Door smashes open

You have maybe 5 seconds to react until 10 guys with shotguns are pointing them at you.

>>728440318
>raid to recover hardware
>shotguns
No

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>>728440217
Fuck knows.
I wish SAGE still worked.
And fuck them, it's Caturday!

>>728423603
Remove hard drives.
Take them apart,
Take a grinder to the platters.

In future, for not so legal activities, install OS on a micro sd card.
Easy to swallow if you get raided.

>>728440536
>implying sage doesn't work

Sage has worked on /b/ for a few months now.

>>728423740
I agree but what's the chance of having thermite just lying around?

How to destroy a hard drive (quick and dirty way):
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AebpSXIMyRI

Get some hand-granate and put it inside pc. Use vire to remote remove safe pin.
When knoc knoc happens...

>>728440614
Ordered off the dark web, why else do you think the police are going to raid?

>>728440665
Then your mom comes to clean up your basement and destroys your computer. Plus stuff like that is illegal and its destrction of evidence becuase you have been served. Your still going to jail.

>>728440606
Oh yeah? KEK

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A FOOLPROOF GUIDE TO ERASING YOUR HARD-DRIVES
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And that's it! With just these simple steps, you can make a demagnetizing solution that will render your data 100% irretrievable. Hope this helps!

>>728423603
Take it out and just run a nice powerful drill through it

>>728440606
SAGE

Depends on location. Here the police will arrive while you're out or at sleep. Either way, you probably won't be able to destroy anything.
Anyway, finding evidence at your home is only one piece in an investigation.

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>>728440852

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Owing up to your mistakes an accepting that you have a problem off the table?

>>728426319
I'd love to go through those cases you mentioned. Because you're either bullshitting or you misinterpreted something obvious.

>I've done some illegal shit on my computer
>my name is 'anon', and my username is 'userx'
Yeah, they can't do that because there's no physical evidence tied to that.


>Has 'userx' logged into 'anon's facebook account?
>Did the same 'userx' log into 'userx' account on his operating system, with his password?
>Was it done around the same time as the illegal activity?
>Was it done in the same established pattern of use as the illegal activity? (i.e., if 'userx' has consistently been inactive between 8am and 5pm, and consistently active between 6pm and 10pm, was the illegal activity done in these timeframes? or during inactive timeframes?)
>Did 'userx' edit 'anon's resume file?
>Did 'userx' access 'anon's email with his password?
>Did 'userx' pay anon's bills online?
>Did 'userx' log into 'anon's bank account?
>Did 'userx' research topics that are of an interest to 'anon'?
>Did 'userx' log into 'anon's university account, or submit assignments with 'userx's email account to 'anon's lecturers?
>Did 'userx' copy content onto any removeable devices that 'anon' used at work, or school?
>Did 'anon' plug his phone the computer whilst 'userx' was logged in?
>Did 'anon' have files that are relevant, useful, and personal to him on 'userx's account?
>Did 'userx' log into a wireless router which is owned by, registered to, and has the password set by 'anon'?

That is ALL circumstantial. Again, if investigators do not have physical evidence linking any alleged internet activity, it's not a case.
Because circumstantial evidence alone is not enough for a conviction.

> It all establishes accountability and ownership
You need physical evidence for that. Third time.

Also you're not 'put in jail for 7 years'
It's called sentenced to prison.
Citations, now.

>>728441051
Looks like a good old Banksy.

>>728440852
In other words, kill yourself

best way is to physically destroy it

>>728441198
Best way is to not do anything illegal. Encrypt your shit for protection from data theft.

>>728440680
I bought the ingredients on Amazon. Surprised I didn't get a visit

99% of fags ITT are fucking retards!
Go to bed or do your homeworks!

>>728438116
False.
For terrorist cases they have the right to break into your domicile whenever the want.
Same for high level banditism. They can also ask a judge for a derogation.
Belgian police (and especially intelligence) is understaffed, underfunded and undertrained.
t. french lawyer living in brussels