All memes aside, does anyone feel kinda bad for her? Imagine

No. Should've been better than what she was. Way better than what we have now but still a piece of shit.

>>728365147
No, fuck no.
She fucked up in 08 and this time.

>>728365147
It was never in her grasp.
30+ years of mistrust by majority of Americans.
30+ years of enabling a sexual predator.
30+ years of changing what she says to suit the narrative
Yeah, it was NEVER in her grasp.

>>728365147
If she couldn't beat Donald, there's not a single Republican she could have beat in '16.

>>728365147
>in her grasp
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>728365147
I doubt she would have been happier being president. She's multimillionaire and can live the rest of her life without worries.

I mean, literally every poll was wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016#Two-way_race

Imagine literally every legitimate source telling you, "You're gonna be president" for months on end and then you lose

>>728365147
All her fault. She was a cunt from the beginning, and got fired from her first job because she was a liar. Fuck her and everybody like her.

>>728365568
This. Donald seemed to be more of a plant, a NY liberal who changed parties at the last second to run and take away a certain Republican victory and hand it to Hillary as a gift and probably for easy permitting in NY for the rest of his life.

He bass-acked into it by underestimating how furious people were. What's he gonna say, "I didn't mean to win"?

>>728365892
bill and hillary were at donalds wedding, and he has donated to them

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>>728365147
Most people would consider either Sec of State or Senator a lifetime accomplishment. Losing to a piece of shit like Trump would suck, but she knew the presidency is trench warfare.

I think it's best to look forwards and not back.

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>>728365496

>Yeah, it was NEVER in her grasp.

She won the popular vote by 3M. Trump's win was a squeeker, not a landslide. Would have taken very little to shift the votes into a Hillary win.

I don't see any way you can seriously claim that. Capitalizing "Never" kind of makes you look like you're trying too hard tbh.

Yes I weep for international criminals of the highest order

That criminal fuck is the scum of the earth

>>728365147
no, not at all. she is power hungry, and corrupt. she was reaching for something that should never have been in her reach in the first place.

>>728365147

Her campaign never really had a message or overall theme besides "Its my turn".

Biden could have won it. Sanders has a solid chance and always stuck to a consistent message.
Despite all that, she pulled down more votes. We just have a 200 year old system that's been corrupted by the political parties.

The Founders envisioned the electors as super-citizens who would serve as a check against the baser urges of the general population, who could be swayed by populists and demagogues

Except now, the only way to be appointed as a member of the electoral college is to be a loyal party hack.

>does anyone feel kinda bad for her?

For her personally? Not really. The party put loyalty to her over the good of people and went out of their way to fuck over Sanders. She likely had a part in that, or at least gave it her tacit approval.

In a way its her fault, that we have to deal with Trump for however long it takes for him to either get impeached, die from his shitty health, or get voted out.

>>728366393
>She won the popular vote by 3M
stop repeating this lie.

She got absolutely demolished.

>>728365147
DUDE CRIME FAMILY LMAO
that dead jew hitchens was calling out those criminal fucks 20 years ago

>>728366393
Popular votes mean jackshit, Never has and Never will. Learn how the Government works, stop sleeping in class kiddo. But keep trying too hard. ;)

HAHAHAHAHAHHA

no.

>>728365147
Nope. She's been a power hungry, evil, murderous creature for decades. Why would any sane person feel sorry?

>>728366629
>stop repeating this lie.


Cite some sources then faggot.

>>728365725
>American Media
>legitimate source

Pick one.

Or did you gobble up that if we get rid of stand your ground laws, ban scary black rifles, and get rid of concealed carry, the bad men will stay home?

>>728366668
You're not wrong.

the electoral college as it currently exists is not remotely what the founders wanted it to be, but you're functionally correct

the popular vote does not matter within the context of how government works.

>>728365147
>snatched away

look, someone who thinks it was clinton's election to begin with. that why she lost.

>>728366902
define a legitimate source then

>>728365147
Apparently she was crying inconsolably when she lost. It would suck.

>>728366815
>cite some sources

sure.

The 45th president is?

/thread

>>728366393
Alright. Let's help educate you a little bit. Do you understand that the popular vote was won mostly in California. Without the Electoral places like California would decide our President. Now do you know anything about California's politics & government? Do you know anything about the state itself? The people California has voted as their own Governors?
You're wanting a state that makes some of the dumbest decisions decide for the rest of the country.
Now let that sink for a moment.

To step beyond that right behind California is Texas. In an election the candidates would be politicking and causing a bigger division in votes. Suddenly the popular vote of California is now divided even further and dilutes the win. Meaning the next state with the highest population would be the one who decided for the US.
Texas.

Your dumb ass wants California or Texas to make decisions for the entire country. This is what you're saying but harping about the popular vote.

The only two candidates I know you'll have comprehension of would be California's Ex-Governor Arnuld or Texas Ex-Governor Bush.
Amusingly, Bush happened to be President twice already!
Shocker!

>>728365147
Fuck no. That corrupt old incompetent wad a tyrant aspirant, literally dripping at the prospect of using the government to oppress people she doesn't like. Any of you kids old enough to remember all the FBI files she mysteriously, accidentally ended up hiding in a closet?

>>728367054
in part this

she BARELY fucking campaigned in Pennsylvania, Minnesota, and Wisconsin,

The Sanders campaign fucking begged her people to go to those areas and were told to fuck off for having the audacity to question the future Queen.

She had no consistent theme or message to her campaign. Trump is a fuckstick and a con-man, but he had a message. He stuck to it.

>>728367154
the fact is, clinton won the popular vote by around 3 million. This has been established. No evidence to the contrary has been furnished.

you said this was a lie.

Prove it.

Still waiting on sources faggot.

>>728367483
b-but Drumpf said 3 million voted illegally and he would never lie

>>728367803
that Drumpf shit never really stuck

Time to find a new way to shit on 45. the whole Drumpf thing was not John Oliver's finest work...

>>728366063
The bitch is 900 years old, the only thing she has to look forward to is dementia, pissing her diper and death.
Trump is a fucking retard, but i would have that joke of a president over that evil cunt anyday!
Fuck her and all the retards that would give her one more chance to fuck everyone over to further her own psychotic goals.

>>728365147
No, cause she made a lot of money doing what she does. plus bill was pres. fucking no one should feel bad for this successful bitch.

>>728367057
>found the liberal

a legitimate source of what? polling material? Polls are bullshit, you cant extrapolate the will and whim of 400 million people by hand picking 200 and asking them politically biased questions in ambiguous way.

Nor can you spent *years* try to remove constitutionally protected rights by saying dumb shit like "90% of the NRA support this", every day, on television. The fuck we do.

If you are trying to get a legitimate source for the news, you are going to have a much harder time doing that. The media today lost the honesty, and integrity it had. Our media is not objective, and is driven by political motivations, be they left, or right. If you can find a place where that doesn't exist, you win the internets.

>>728367483
you keep mentioning the popular vote when it literally means nothing in an electoral college system, so please, use a valid point.

also, with project veritas bringing some light to the dnc strategies, I wouldn't consider all of those votes valid anyway..

>>728365496
She had an approval rating of 65% as Secretary of State before Benghazi. The right spent decades looking for scandals to sink her until they found one that stuck (emails).

>>728365147
imagine planning a bank robbery for 30 years then having the cops catch you last minute

yea i feel soo bad for her

She'll be president in 2020. Don't feel bad.

>>728365147
she only spent 1.3 billion on a smear campaign

Trump spent only a fraction of that

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>>728365147
No, she spent 30 years shilling for Jews and niggers, and cant even do it well.

>>728365147
>feeling bad for a corrupt crazy bitch
Nope.

>>728368163
still waiting on what constitutes a legitimate source faggot.

something tells me I'm not going to get an actual answer. just this angsty wall of text.

>>728365147
Feel worse for Jeb and Cruz. Jeb was slated to be the Republican establishment's pick until Trump literally bullied him out of the race. Cruz would have been president if not for Trump who called his wife ugly and told people his dad killed JFK, then his masters forced him to endorse the man.

lol no

>>728368265
Bitch will be dead, or a vegetable, in 2020. Shell be what? 74? 75? Something like that. Trump is fucking old too.

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>>728368265
>She'll be president in 2020.

She might run and lose the presidency in 2020 too!

FTFY

>>728368414
I told you, you just didn't read it. There are none, you have to do your own homework.

Is that shorter version easier for you to process?

she is literally the equivalent of voting for a ruthless mafia boss

hillary clinton is as vile and evil as a person can be in america

if she had the power of idi amin or pol pot she would literally be that shitty

she has been a piece of human shit since her days as a lawyer and corporate american lmao

fucking retards holding up posters cheering her on wewlad

>>728368245
>you keep mentioning the popular vote when it literally means nothing in an electoral college system, so please, use a valid point.

i'm well aware the popular vote has no standing legally and I never argued to the contrary.

the claim made was "clinton obtaining 3 million more votes was a lie"

Trump did win where it mattered, the electoral college. He did not win the popular vote.

>>728368438
>Jeb and Cruz
honestly i don't think either of these guys would have won. they're too much like hillary but worse. trump was at least able to fool simpletons into thinking he was different.

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>>728368265

>>728368572
>There are none
This anon gets it. There is no such thing as "objective media".

>>728367212
>Without the Electoral places like California would decide our President.
>Without the Electoral the majority of Americans would decide our President.

>>728366668
How does it feel to miss those lovely quints?

>>728366393
over 3 million illegals voted for her. fuck off.

>>728367212
but the electoral college puts in the stupider candidate so your blathering is invalid

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People wanting the U.S. to become Venezuela will vote anything in the DNC

>>728367262
>tyrant aspirant
i smell a power metal band name

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>>728368572
>you have to do your own homework

I don't. That's now how logic works. You made the claim. Back it up.

Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat

That's latin for: You made the claim, now quit being a faggot and fucking prove it.

the claim was >>728366902
basically you (or whatever random anon) said "American media isn't a legitimate source"

Prove it.

>>728369025
>but the electoral college puts in the stupider candidate so your blathering is invalid


You're stupid, and you still post here. Tried to move to canada, and you were too stupid, huh?

>>728368998
they did?

do you have proof?

She never should of had the nomination, she had to cheat to get it, it was never in her grasps.

>>728369025
The electoral college puts the check on places that cater to illegal aliens and welfare - and idiots like you.

>>728368731
patriotism only correlates with racism it doesn't cause it

id just like to reiterate for the nth time

thank you emperor trump for providing all us sane people with delicious liberal tears

>>728368998
Imagine being this stupid

>>728366668
Popular vote is more reflective of the opinion of the voting public

>>728369036
the DNC wants to the US to organize itself around the export of a single commodity (oil) while importing everything else?

>>728369357
>patriotism only correlates with racism it doesn't cause it

Patriotism doesn't have anything to do with racism

FTFY

>>728369387
hows it feel to be even more fucktarded than that guy tho

>>728369419
>the DNC wants to the US to organize itself around the export of a single commodity (oil) while importing everything else?


It took more than that to fuck over Venezuela - it took socialism/marxist ideas.

>>728365725
>>728366902
>imagine every source you believe telling you that you will win, and then losing

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>>728365147

>>728369390
no popular vote is more reflective of a few heavily populated echo chambers on the left coast and nyc

nigtard liberals you lost

put on your big boy pants and accept it

>>728368542
pink was once a boys color and blue was a girls color. christianity must be destroyed. the rest of course is dogshit (what i can actually fucking read).

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>>728369550

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>>728365147
she would have been a probably ok president. instead we get a big crybaby. oh well. thats what happens when you let putin pick the prez!

>>728368542
no might about it

trump will win a 2nd term regardless who opposes him

>>728368574
i'll take a ruthless mafia boss over a malicious clown who desperately wishes he was smart enough to be a ruthless mafia boss

>>728368890
>Bay Area / SoCal fuckboi sighted
Fuck you from the rest of California. Stop ruining our state.

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>>728369635
over 800 full time staffers, 1.3 billion dollars spent in her smear campaign.

She insulted the hell out of the opposing party, why didn't she win /b/?

Don't those Republicans know how dumb they are? Why wasn't that a winning strategy?

>>728369524
Everything was paid for by oil. Oil prices fell in the shitter.

The entire industrial sector was based on oil. They did literally nothing else. Produced nothing else except maybe beauty pageant contestants.

You can be as hyper-libertarian retarded as you want, it still wouldn't insulate you from the price drop in your sole commodity.

>>728369550
so much this

fucktard liberals are easily brainwashed and believe whatever bullshit the mainstream media spews

man made global warming is a hoax

>>728365147

She still got her war in Syria.

>>728369061
The one thing I'll actually remember from this thread

>>728369852
your whole state is shit tier

the world would be a better place if a massive earthquake broke cali off from the mainland and you all drown

>>728369143
That's kind of exactly how reaching a logical conclusion works, they don't fall from the sky and land in your lap. It takes work.

Go read the huffington post in your safe space, where big scary facts can't hurt you, and the media would never lie to your face about things. Like oh, the amount of dead people in Chicago that manage to vote every time there is a local, or federal election, despite being dead in some cases for a fucking decade.

>>728365147
>OP feeling sorry for someone who has it all.

Prick

>>728369886
>man made global warming is a hoax

I don't know if it's a hoax or not, but I know China ,India an Mexico pollute several times more than the U.S.

it was not our highest priority, as many would put it.

>>728369446
both are symptoms of a root cause: simple-minded tribalism. i support properly maintaining america not because i'm in love with the dirt and the pretty flag but because of high-minded pragmatism. i'm smarter than you.

>>728370066
>where big scary facts can't hurt you

still waiting on those facts

>Like oh, the amount of dead people in Chicago that manage to vote

proof?

>>728365147
Sometimes I feel bad for the guys on To Catch a Predator.

>>728369036
Because Lenin can speak for the views and opinions of all socialists that came after him

>>728365496
Her shenanigans with the dnc is what did her, and possibly the USA, in this time.

>>728365147
No, she's a literal cuckold. Her husband, surveillance-d 24/7, got a blowie joey in the oval office.
she got fucking cucked and if that doesn't make you a shit wife, a shit person, i don't know what does. how does a GIRL get CUCKOLDED?

>>728370283
gtfo commie nigger

your bullshit excuses "REAL communism bas never been tried" are pure fail

>>728370283
so, you're thinking socialism is interesting, worth dabbling in, think all people are worth the same amount of money, and that the government officials should be the only ones that get the nice cars?

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>>728370321
a cuckhold is a man, retard

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>>728370297
>posts on /b/ about liberals not knowing genders
>probably faps to traps on /b/

>>728369713
Have you seen his approval ratings?

>>728370434
sounds like you speak from experience

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This is the same with libtards, now they're offended, because they've run out of arguments

"time to destroy our cities"

>>728369343
so because the majority of your fellow citizens focus on higher priorities than punishing poor people you think the system should be rigged to favor more poorly educated areas with backwards values and belief systems? please just go up to the koch brothers right now and offer them your willing /b/ hole.

>>728370521
made up by the same shills who told you hillary would win?

yeah no

>>728370529
Lol look at the face in the picture he posted. I imagine thats his reaction to your reply.
>what nooo i dont do that
>Closes out of his tabs full of trap webms

>>728370576
>favor more poorly educated areas with backwards values and belief systems
https://qz.com/679589/trump-voters-earn-more-and-are-better-educated-than-the-typical-american/

Average trump voter income: $74K

Now, what are you saying?

>>728369852
i'm from appalachia retard. it's the future you can't tell my location from my beliefs anymore. we all have access to the information superhighway.

>>728370576
I don't know how you define backwards. Maybe your ideas are backwards, and you don't know it.

I'm pretty sure if you cast your vote for Hillary, you're probably a cuckold.

https://qz.com/679589/trump-voters-earn-more-and-are-better-educated-than-the-typical-american/

>>728365298
>>728365481
>>728365496
>>728365568
Honestly, I don't understand what the moderate left saw in her. She was farther right on non-social issues than Nixon and she ran two incompetent campaigns into the ground. I don't know where the meme that she's a political genius came from but it needs to die.

But no OP, I don't feel sorry for her. As an actual progressive, she fucked us. A paper bag could have done better as long as it blew through Michigan and Wisconsin.

>>728370712
ill bow to your superior knowledge of viewing trap porn

its clearly nonpareil

>>728365147
She is not entitled to be President.

>>728368245
It means more people wanted her to be president, you fucking dolt.

>>728370576
>poorly educated areas with backwards values

Just business owners
police
fire departments
working class people that pay taxes...

Are you trying to insult earners into believing like you do?

I'm 1000% atheist, and could NOT vote for Hillary.

>>728370947
>It means more people wanted her to be president, you fucking dolt.

it means more people jammed together in a few tight spots wanted her to be president you fucking dolt.

are you really this stupid?

>>728370250
How about, I fucking live by that shithole. Corruption, and election fraud are the hallmarks of the democratic party in Illinois. Source. Every. Single. Fucking. Governor. We've. Had. with the exception of the current one, for the last 20+ years. Has ended up in prison.

If you would like to know more about how corrupt one state can be, read a book.

https://www.amazon.com/Five-Dollars-Pork-Chop-Sandwich/dp/0807076406/?tag=saloncom08-20

Then draw your own conclusion, like a normal human being.

>>728370947
retards concentrated in shit tier cities dont matter

cry harder

>>728365147
No. Although having this corrupt monster fuck up the country with her presidency would look great in the history books for the first female president.

>>728369216
Not him, but pot kettle black asshole.

Either gerryamndering needs to be stopped, or electorial college needs to go, becuase clearly too many idiots are in the roost.

>>728370978
>Just business owners
>police
>fire departments
>working class people that pay taxes

the literal shit at the bottom of the intellectual food chain

and stop dismissing every criticism of the self-rightous idiots who vote against their own interest as hillary shilling.

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Nobody gives a shit,you liberal cuck!

>>728371077
>implying the acreage is more important than the population
>calling other anons stupid

>>728371119
>for the first female president.

As though identity politics matter.

Although Barack Obama was one of our worst presidents in history, no one on the left will admit it.

>>728371112
if only we could fix the system so that the insignificance of retards spread out over shit-tier rural areas was properly reflected

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>>728365147
no

MAYBE SHOULD SHOULD HAVE NO DEVELOPED INTO A CONDESCENDING SELFISH CUNT THROUGH THE YEARS !?!?

>>728371218
If more people, in more places vote for a candidate - that candidate will win. Stop acting like a complete fucking moron.

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>>728365147
>does anyone feel kinda bad for her?
Not even a little

>>728371157
the right candidate got to be prez

seems to be working as intended

prepare your anus for 8 more years of trump induced butthurt

Everything the left takes a hard stance on is literally shit.

>free immigration
>free college
>free medicine
>More muslims


What is this?

>>728371340
if only the truly idiotic people on the coast who mistakenly think theyre smart all got nuked the world would be exponentially better off

>>728371431
You got an actual video of this because I can also make shit up all day and put it in a nice meme for idiots like yourself to eat up.

>>728371157
>Either gerryamndering needs to be stopped, or electorial college needs to go


Unless it works for me!!!!!!!!!!

(then rewriting the electoral process is a bad idea)

>>728371540
>>free college
>>free medicine
these are the things the actual left knows for a fact improves the economy and the standard of living for the average citizen. go suck ayn rand's hairy jewclit.

>>728371665
pick one
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hillary+laughing+about+rapist

>>728371692
exactly

stop whining oceans of bitch tears because the rules that have existed for 100s of years didnt work in you favor crybaby fucktards

grow the fuck up libtards

>>728371606
if only the south and midwest were sterilized of conservatives who sabotage the country for the sake of their corporate puppet masters the human race might not go extinct

>>728371736
Saying that without realizing the actual costs of it, that none of it is free, and that conservatives must always pay for the ideas of liberals

In socialized medicine countries, you cannot sue your doctor and the pharmaceuticals for millions like you can here.

Additionally, it's why wealthy Candadians come to the United States for treatment. It's why Chinese come to the United States for treatment.

Lefties over simplify things in their tiny little heads.

>>728371665
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2f13f2awK4

~ 1:50

>>728371736
But, the left is in love with its illegal immigrants, and wants to open the border, so people of all nations can come here and enjoy all the freebies.

>>728365147
This was the definition of a "Coattail" candidate.

I saw the turn to capitalize on this convenient affiliation (B.Clinton), the moment she ran for Senate in MY.

It was fairly obvious she thought she needed to be that first, first woman turned first vaginaed POTUS.

Am I the only one that noticed this ?

Coattails are real.

The candidate just wasn't cut out for ANYTHING, except maybe a pioneering feminist somewhere.

But she clearly chose a bridge too far out of her reach.

Not sad. She set herself up for this and knew her credentials were thin.

The only thing she really has is an ambitious pussy, always wanting to be first. Feminism

Be the generation that ends feminism and the cancer it spreads.

>>728371960
if it means retards like you and your descendents will die im for it

>>728371736
The left is not interested in keeping the greatest country in the world great.


Fact: it's interested in making it a developing 3rd world nation.

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>>728371989
it's paid for with taxes no shit. it's also less costly than our system overall and for the average citizen. suing your doctor for millions after you got malpractice too late is not preferable to being healthy. wealthy people come here because of our higher education and advanced scientific research. (which med students are starting to take back to their own countries instead of staying here). and btw most people aren't wealthy.

>>728371736
>>728372283
>Fact: it's interested in making it a developing 3rd world nation

To do that, it must convince young people of some very bad ideas.

>>728372283
>the greatest country in the world
your delusions aren't helping, they're holding us back.

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>>728365147
Not one bit. She has always been as crooked a dog's hind leg and should have fallen from grace and out of politics 25 years ago. The news media protected her and Bubba for most of that time, thank KEK that enough people rejected the Clinton's corruption.

>>728372340
It would be a hell of a lot cheaper if the government would keep it's nose out of it, and we both know that.

We also know that giving people free shit is not the way you make them independent.

Don't we know that?

>>728365147
That will be the main plot of her docudrama that people will watch in 2030 after she dies of dementia. It will leave out important details such as Benghazi.

>>728372406
>>the greatest country in the world

more millionaires than any country in the world, this is the land of opportunity

(more than double the next closest country)

Yes, this is the land of opportunity, unless we socialize it.

What is holding you back from becoming great?

is it really rich greedy people?

>>728372406
Americans have more disposable income than any of the Scandinavian "socialist" countries.

But, we're not talking about the people living off the freebies like you, we're talking about the working people.

>>728372122
you might be confusing regressives with actual liberals. i personally think illegals could easily pay back the cost of them coming here with mandatory english lessons and public infrastructure work that teaches them to work in the private sector. and saying freebies like we're not talking about benefits paid with tax money to reduce overall cost is dishonest.

>>728372090
5:00 is much much more damning

>>728372406
It's always the laziest, shittiest people that want socialism, just like women that want feminism.

They always want a hand up, because they're incapable of taking care of themselves, and demand that everyone else do it for them.

>>728372529
Yes! We both know what our Koch Masters preach! That people getting together in a society and sharing the cost of essentials to improve the lives of everyone (proven fact despite what we declare to the contrary) is slavery!

>>728372805
You're talking about "more government programs that help", which is almost always a huge fuckup.

We need to recognize that we have different cultures and languages, and that borders are good.

>>728365147
A bitch too far.

>>728372666
>more millionaires than any country in the world
it's the standard of life for the poorest person that is the measure of a country's greatness

>>728368248
>before Bengazi
Kek. Isn't that when all those skeletons started stumbling out of the closet?
Kind of easy to stay pure when no one shines a spotlight on all your dirty secrets...

>>728373049
That's simply communism, and it's proven not to work, and we both know that.


people will be lazy and that is fact.


Even the pilgrims tried collective farming (for the good of the group), and everyone almost starved to death.

>>728365147
Fuck Hilary Clinton, and fuck her shit family.

>>728372940
the people who want their democracy to invest in social benefits are those who aren't cucked by the most malicious of the super rich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiexlHcOp5E

>it's the standard of life for the poorest person that is the measure of a country's greatness

So, you're saying a country where everyone is poor is at least equal, and therefor better?

Or, if you can work, lead and foster growth and development, have new ideas about how to do things better (and implement them), you should not do any better than anyone else that simply sits on their fucking porch all day?

Arguing with a communist is boring.

>>728373227
>That's simply communism, and it's proven not to work, and we both know that.
Be careful! He's liable to thumb in a furious reply to why communism is awesome, on his iPhone.

>>728373416
>hose who aren't cucked by the most malicious of the super rich

Again, arguing with a communist is boring, and usually fruitless.

If the communist doesn't value facts and evidence, then what else can we use?

>>728371665
How's those feels now, liberal cuck?
2 video links posted.
As Hilary said, what difference does it make?
The difference is she is a defender of rapists, like her serial rapist husband.

>>728373091
your religious beliefs aren't pragmatic arguments. completely stopping illegal immigration is going to get extremely expensive before you faggots admit it's impossible like you were with climate change. better to channel that energy into profit than go into debt pretending you can stop it.

>>728365147
fuck no

hrc is a thug gangster. Bill just wants to fuck anything with a pulse. She is a stone cold killer.

>>728365892
Nailed it

>>728373625
>your religious beliefs aren't pragmatic arguments.

Saying my atheism is a religion, is like saying abstinence is a sex position

>>728373227
you know that a democracy with social benefits and restrictions on corporate control of the government isn't "simply communism". stop being stupid on purpose

>>728373625
Stopping illegal border crossings is easy.
East Germany did this for years.
Try again.

>>728373673
>Bill just wants to fuck anything with a pulse.

Apparently, Hillary Clinton doesn't have a pulse.

>>728373625
Islam is a culture that we know is incompatible with the west. We can admit this - liberal lefty tards cannot admit this, because they refuse to learn about Islam.

I have no religion, and I can recognize that if we help the muslims, we need to help them in their own lands.

>>728373547
>If the communist doesn't value facts and evidence
i feel like i'm talking to a theologian. because right libertarianism is a faith-based religion. anybody who doesn't 100% agree with the tenets of your faith must be a satanist

>>728373800
Every "government social program" was started by a communist, or communist sympathizer.

Why don't they teach history or government in school anymore? because they're busy vilifying the wealthy instead of inspiring children to become wealthy.

>>728374025
You're wrong, I'm a liberal that believes in liberal values, such as free speech, free open market and less government control of me, my thoughts and words.

I know the holocaust was real, but i don't think someone should be fined for saying it was fake.

>>728367212
>>728368890

As someone who has lived in California his whole life I can tell you that our influence is terrible already. Look past the Disneyland and beaches and you have a bankrupt state filled with entitled Mexican imigrants and stupid middle class people who can't afford to live here yet live beyond their means. The world would be better if we sank into the sea quite frankly.

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>>728368248
You attempt to cite results of opinion polls as proof of your point? Opinion poll were proved to be Fake News November 8th., 2016.

>>728374025

Liberal: I don't think saying nigger is "hate speech" and should be illegal. I know it's not a nice thing to say, and don't need a law against it.

>>728368248
>found one that stuck (emails).

Until we found about 30 reasons why we simply can't afford for her to be president

>>728365147
Nah. She already worked 30+ years in office and didn't change anything even when she could, so I couldn't care less.

>>728374306
I don't even know who they ask when they do the opinion polls.

I know race relations between April 2008, and April 2016 got MUCH worse, according to the polls.(roughly doubled the number who say race relations are bad)

President Obama set us back decades in race relations.

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>>728365147
Nobody feels bad for her.
The democrats rigged the election and she still lost.

>>728374564

This. She had a long history in politics with nothing spectacular to show so would anyone think she would make a decent candidate let alone entitled to the position?

It's like those old fucks who work 30 years for a mediocre employee at a company and wonder why the new guy gets the promotion.

>>728365147
No, This bitch couldn't even win the election i'd hate to see how she would run the country. I don't feel bad for her one bit, shes a stupid old bitch

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This was probably the worst thing Obama did. It lowered the standards for all African Americans, using the "racism of low expectations"

African Americans no longer have to behave as well or perform as well as their white counterparts, and the government is watching and the people are paying for it.

>>728368572
I think the question was as much about how you find "legitimate" polling numbers on your own, or if you discard polling, how does one estimate stuff like average opinion of a very large group towards a subject.
I'm not that guy, but that's certainly what I am curious about.

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>>728365147
Nope.

>>728374790
Even she laughed at the idea of free college for every American. Bernie was proof just how gullible young people are.

>>728373178
Poor folks in Bangladesh or Somalia would love to have what passes for poverty in the US.

so, like we went from 8 trillion in debt, to 18 trillion in debt... (2009-1016)


and young people want free medicine, free college?

just what the fuck?

>>728373178
>it's the standard of life for the poorest person that is the measure of a country's greatness

That's simply false, because some people will never earn - even in a place where anything is possible.


We have the most stories in the world of people going from absolute rags to riches, because of their hard work and dedication.

The left never ever talk about all these.

nope, hope that neoliberal cuck gets lost

bernie 5ever

It should have been Bernie.

>>728375206
I guess all the socialist people left

>>728375461
>It should have been Bernie.

Bernie had a snow ball's chance in a supernova

>>728375206
A) I don't think that most of the people in those countries imagine theie country to be the greatest country in the world
B) Just because a person or group isn't experiencing the worst kind of suffering possible doesn't mean that they aren't suffering or in a relatively bad situation.

>>728369447
>believing 3 million illegal immigrants voted
Just accept that Trump isn't popular

>>728375629
>believing 3 million illegal immigrants voted

There is no reason to believe that in states where no voter id was required, that they wouldn't be urged to vote.

>>728375255
While I'm not one of the people who wants that, as I recall a lot of the complaints had to do with how money was being spent (e.g. "If you reduced defense spending by 5%, you could pay to educate every college-age American!" Which of course ignores how overloaded our colleges are already, but w/e). So you could reduce spending in certain areas to curtail the debt, while theoretically also paying for all those things. Presumably by taxing businesses and the wealthy.

>>728365147
no her whole political life has been dedicated to run the country even trough she had 0 popularity among the people

so I won't feel bad for someone who is so entitled president in her mind that she can't see her despicable lack of approval

and god knows how much I hate trump

>>728370843
Exactly my thoughts.
I'm equally disappointed with the DNC. "We need unity" while continuing to ignore progressives.

>>728375775
She won almost every state that no voter id was required.

>>728375539

On election day, Bernie had an average of a 10 point lead on Trump. He would have won.

>>728372122
The US economy would collapse without the discounted labor provided by undocumented immigrants. The US food supply alone would be damaged in such a quick and dramatic way that there would be no way to transfer American workers into the agriculture work force fast enough. Middle America relies on that labor to make food affordable. Why try to pull off some engineering and construction miracle with this ridiculous wall when you can just stroll in and make every Tyson processing plant show the proof that they are hiring legally? Shut them down until they can follow the rules. This is rarely done because there is no real interest in doing it, but the 1% very much has an interest in in having a convenient boogeyman. Even DJT wouldn't be able to come out clean if the hiring practices in his hotels was closely scrutinized.

>>728375821
>Presumably by taxing businesses and the wealthy.


We have one of the most progressive tax systems in the world. It amounts to literal punishment for the wealthy.

2009-2016 saw the highest number of wealthy Americans become ex-pats.

While the lower 48% of voters paid no tax at all.

It simply is not fair to take a higher percentage of your money if you earn more.

I didn't want Shillary or Drumpf, but I do think that the electoral college is a bit dumb. Popular vote seems fair to me and I'm from the neck of the woods where Cletus and Bubba reign supreme. Tennessee doesn't have enough people to brainwash into being red, so fuckem. Same with redneck blue states. Number of people sharing the ideal seems fair, fuck the "states"

>>728375922
>On election day, Bernie had an average of a 10 point lead on Trump.

as though there was a way to measure who was voting for Bernie on November 8th?

The republicans did not unleash their fury on Bernie... OK?

His website reads like the communist manifesto - he's a fucking communist, and there was no way he was going to win.

>>728375408
While I agree with your premise, I think the left views rags to riches stories as impressive outliers rather than a realistic possibility that anyone and everyone can achieve.
I imagine that, on some level, the left takes issue with the fact that, while rags to riches is a possibility, it's not a feasible gameplan for fixing systemic issues. Of course, what you define as a systemic issue or a simple reality of capitalist life will naturally vary.

>>728370843
>moderate left
It's rare to find a Clinton supporter outside New York City. They're a minority within their own party and without the media constantly bringing her up, whether in a positive or negative way, then most people would constantly forget she exists.

>>728376178

>Bernie is a communist

I hope you're shilling because if you're not you need help.

>>728365147
I would feel bad for her if she were honest and didn't call everyone who voted against her a misogynist

>>728375860
Which, not coincidentally, are states who's legislators and voters are more liberal. It's not a correlation with illegal activity, it's a correlation with liberal ideals.
Plus, the data just doesn't support that wide degree of voter fraud.

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>>728376035
that's simply false.... and makes no sense

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She blew it big time. She got over confident and under estimated her opponent.

She was getting a huge push from the current president and a few former presidents including her husband. She also had the Media in her pockets. Her opponent Bernie was shot down when his influence grew a little too much for comfort. She also got all the questions before the debates.

and she still fucking LOST! fuck me in the pussy; how is that even possible? Plus she was running against a person who is comparable to my grandpa Lester who was a HS dropout. Pfft, pathetic

>>728376046
I wasn't arguing for or against any part of what I described, I was just attempting to explain what voters and activists on the left may have believed.
You don't gotta explain to me about how taxes disproportionally target people with larger expendable income.

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>>728376334
If you're saying that Bernie is not communist, it simply means you don't know what communism is, and what it's complaints are, or you may know about communism, but you don't know what your favorite communist candidate is telling us on his own website.

I can't have arguments with people that don't read.

>>728375839
I imagine that the DNC believed that the moderate vote was more important than the progressive vote, or that they didn't need to court progressives because the group wouldn't abandon the DNC at the polls.

>>728376609
>You don't gotta explain to me about how taxes disproportionally target people with larger expendable income.

That extra income is often what they use to build their business, invest in their employees that produce.


Giving it to black schools in baltimore so they can teach the black kids how to be victims all through their lives is not necessarily a good investment.

>>728376035
"Collapse" is too strong a word.
Without cheap, undocumented labor, a lot of luxury foods would become significantly more expensive, but it would not lead to societal collapse or anything.

>>728376334
He probably means socialist, but both are basically bad words in American politics.

>>728376982
My wife's car got creamed by a car full of illegals, who invariably "hit and run", because no license, no insurance, no liability to anyone but a family of mexicans in mexico.

>>728376687

>no you

I know full well what a communist is, and it isn't Bernie.

I have no urge to discuss the finer points of politics with either a shill or a retard, and you my friendo seem like both. Good day.

>>728376035
food prices in the US are comically cheap and it would do well for them to increase because of better paid American labor

>>728376777
They just didn't want someone who wasn't a Democrat to get the nomination. It doesn't matter who Sanders was or what his policies were, what the DNC hated about him was that he was an independent. Non-major party members are already a bigger group than Democrats or Republicans, but not both combined, and they grow every year
>http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
If someone from outside those two parties can make it to the White House then the myth of the US being locked in a two party system won't hold back voters anymore But it probably will only last a few decades just like the other times we got a third party to become a major party

>>728377166
They're not just bad words.

They represent ideas on how to ruin a country, and bring it to its knees.


I don't condone what the Indonesians did in 1966, by killing off all the communists, but I understand it, because once that faith based ideology gets in people's heads, you can rarely educate it out of them.

>>728365147
She sowed the seeds for her own failure, let her reap her harvest in peace.

>>728376933
>>728376933
Dude, I was making a joke. Quite sincerely, I don't support burdening business with the bulk of our taxation. I'm fine with personal income taxes, but if the money can be reinvested into the business, it should be.

Also, dunno why you felt the need to make it racially charged all the sudden.

>>728377315
When Bernie said "We simply want to 'ask' the wealthy to pay their fair share"

It was commie speak for: "seize their assets and throw them in prison if we can't hike their tax rate even higher."

>>728377166

Possibly, which would be ironic.

Communism should be a bad word everywhere, it's a shit idea, it'll never work.

A form of Socialism that keeps Capitalism muzzled and under control, on the other hand, is the only way forward.

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Forget the illegals. This is what we need to fix. It's about time people stop believing in space deities and fairy tales. We are way pass the stone age and in the age of information.

Fuck this churchy assholes. Let's get our money. We need new school and hospitals.

>>728365147
I do feel bad for her. Even Trump felt bad for her.

I also felt bad for my girlfriend after I dumped her. It's not her fault she wasn't fit, it wasn't her job she was a big dreamer who wanted more than she deserved. That's life and life crumbles. She has the opportunity to change and make someone somewhat happy.

Hilary was the posterchild for the first female ptesident; it's not over for her. She will run again. She could still become president someday.

>>728377410
>Also, dunno why you felt the need to make it racially charged all the sudden.

The racially charged part is all part of the lefties package. Most of us have it all memorized.

>>728377598
I agree.. and it's $82 billion in untaxed monies, and I feel its unconstitutional and hurting the hell out of America.

I'm the one trashing Bernie and loving capitalism and free speech.

>>728369390
It's not if all those votes are from brain dead cockroaches piled on top of each other in big cities. The supposed "recovery" only helped big city liberals and the rest of the country got left out. This election proved you can't just buy votes with welfare handouts and expect to win the election. Good thing our forefathers had enough vision to set up a system where you have to consistently win across the whole nation to win the election.

>>728371161
>Business owners are the bottom of the intellectual food chain
Man it must really stick in your craw when your BA in women's studies doesn't get you any kind of decent job.

>>728377366
I'm not a fan of communism or socialism either, but no idea is so dangerous that it can justify what is essentially political genocide.

And as much as I hate to break it to you, plenty of countries have implemented moderate socialist policies and have not become a Mad Max wasteland.

Believing a set of ideas a person can have to be so infective and so disagreeable that it's a capital crime is madness. If an idea (for example capitalism or democracy, things we both probably think are the tops) is objectively better, than that one will win out, assuming it is not crushed by some outside force, like democracy in China or communism in your example.

>>728377598
>Forget the illegals.
I want to tax the income before it gets to the church, and tax the church for being a church/vice.

>>728365147
Imagine feeling so entitled to something that when someone else gets it your only response is that they're satan. Fuck off OP

>>728371540
>free medicine
But if this meme were true, normal people wouldn't have to pay 600+ a month.

>>728370321

It's like nobody here understands what "cuckhold" means.

>>728365147
think how shitty those 30 years actually were that a real estate mongrel and reality tv star was able to take it. just because you work doing something for a long time doesn't mean you did a good job

''moderate'' rebels, backed by the US Beheading Children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh_z51RkHRo [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t8Wo8U2uF8 [Embed]

Response by US official :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?

>>728377173
I didn't say illegal immigration was somehow okay, I just disagreed with the previous guy about how much removing the illegal workforce would hurt American consumers.
He said it would cause a "collapse," I said it wouldn't.

Also, I hope your wife is okay.

>>728370321

I think the word you are looking for is 'cuckquean'.

>>728371960
>The left love the midwest for the majority of the past elections, when the majority go blue
Hoo boy, must really suck when places like Michigan, who haven't went red in over four decades, go red because your candidate sucks shit.

>>728377325
It would increase the spending money of one part of the labor force, but decrease it for the rest of the population. Not to mention impacting access to healthy foods.

>>728378141

HEY CNN! Why dont you report on this!

''moderate'' rebels, backed by the US Beheading Children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh_z51RkHRo [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t8Wo8U2uF8 [Embed]

Response by US official :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6yTteePJMU

>>728378093
.But if this meme were true, normal people wouldn't have to pay 600+ a month.

it'll be higher, because the demand will be higher

Same with free college, the higher the demand, the more resources it takes, the higher the cost

>>728365147
Everyone (who meets the VERY modest requirements) has a right to run for the presidency.
NO ONE has the right to BE president.

How do you not understand this.
how
how
how
how
can we make you understand this for fuck's sake.
NO ONE HAS
A
RIGHT
TO BE
PRESIDENT.

>>728365147
>within your grasp

Check the results again.

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>>728367803
I love hillary idiots. They're so much fun to poke.

>>728377598

I have rarely visited a church in the states. But whenever I'm overseas or visiting South America I like to visit their churches. It always amazes me how nice the architecture is and the gold altars are a real treat; while the towns are dirt poor, and the people are practically eating less than my pets.

>>728365147
No, her life has always been god and will likely be good for the rest of it. She's rich.
Republicunts spent 200 millions to find shit on her and couldn't find ANYTHING
>tried to blame Benghazi on her, bullshit worked with retards
>tried to make scandals out of emails, FBI found nothing but again, worked with retards
>tried to make scandal out of Foundation, she released the data of donors of her non-profit organization, again worked with retards
>hired a bunch of faggots to spam fake news on social media to libel her and the DNC, like the Pizzagate and her killing people, again worked with retards

TLDR, she lost because americunts are retards and believed every bullshit the republicunts pushed on media
fun fact, this white trash will now suffer the most out of republicunts bills and trumps' mental retardation
Can't wait to see trumpcare 2.0 fucking dozens of millions of americunts in the ass

>>728377964
>tax the church for being a church/vice

this. I like it. shoot my local bowling alley get taxed to death, and so those my favorite sports bar. Church shouldn't be any different. People go there to dick around, network, talk shit about each other, and hit on the hotties. What makes them so fucking special?

>>728365147
Lying, cheating, scheaming and just generally being a evil monster finnally bit the bitch in her ass.
I always say when people cry about Trump "at least he's not Shillary".
But then agian what i left in the toilet is better then her so u know what ever.

Not bad at all. She should never have been so prominent.

Her first contributions to politics came as first lady, a non-elected postion with no congressional approval and she fucked up left right and center (banning press from parts of the white house, adamantly refusing to let Bill negotiate on universal healthcare).

She then used her PR clout from a sex scandal to go carpetbagging down to NY to get a senate seat.

She was only Secretary of State do to the kind of sleazy powerbroking/bargaining that makes Washington so dysfunctional to begin with.

Nah. We're looking at a possible 16 years of niggerdom in the white house, and 8 years of blaming Obama. I'm just enjoying the ride.

>>728367077
The thought of this makes me rock fucking hard.
Cry u disgusting devil bitch.

>>728379454
Do you actually say "Shillary" in social situations?

>>728365147
Nah, america didn't deserve the most qualified woman they could have.
america is nation of idiots, they deserve to be ruled by an idiot
trump was the perfect fit

She did not work 30 years to be president. It wasn't her life-long goal. Sure, she was disappointed. People such as her are not weak minded. They move on to other things. She would probably laugh if she thought that people felt sorry for her. She has family, friends, and money. She could retire in luxury, write her memoirs, and die in peace.

>>728367971
If i could skin one human being alive and get to enjoy their screams of terror for the rest of my life it would be that weasly little fuckface John Oliver.

>>728379454
>Lying

you mean what trump does more than anyone else on the planet?

>Cheating

President Grab you Pussy has cheated so much in his life he even learned how not to pay taxes

>Scheaming

Sure Flynn and other members of the trump campaign being caught conspiring with russians is all another kind of business right?

american retards

>>728380407
Stfu you shill

You mean like the Falcons?

>>728380533
>shill

I smell an edgy retarded faggot

>>728365147
>2017
>feeling sorry for a reptilian

8 b8 M8 8 8 8 8 8 b(^_^)d

>>728375020
for an unbiased poll to occur, you need to have neutral questions, and a large sample size. I 100% disregard polls from the media, because they fulfill neither of those things.

That's why they are bullshit.

>>728380407
Being caught conspiering with russins?
And now all u autists are crying "Trump bombed russians hes gonna start ww3 aginst Russia"
Which is u simpleton?

>>728380717
Would be surprised if you didn't with that giant schnozz of yours

>>728381090
This!

Sigh i have very liberal views and almost always disagree with what republifucks do.
But i will never call myself a Leftist because of shit like this post.
U people are so diconnected from reality if u think that fucking witch from hell was or is in anyway a good person much less a good fit for pres.
As much as i hate Trump i enjoy seeing u retarted little fuckfaces crying about him.

>>728366393
3 million from California

>>728365147
She would have started another war oh wait .....

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>>728380896

#nonrandomsample

>>728381352
Lol

>>728380174
While he is a weasel, come on some of the shit he does IS funny. Looking at you Church of Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption.

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>>728381667
>yup

>>728365147
I do a bit.

Snatched away from you when it was in your grasp... TWICE

Both by someone with little experience

>>728378272
Someone should tweet that shit to Trump maybe it will make some sense in his head.

>>728366619
>Her campaign never really had a message or overall theme besides "Its my turn".


this. she couldn't care less about the presidency other that winning just for the sake of her ego. and being more egotistical than Trump is saying something.

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>>728369384

>>728370843
>I don't know where the meme that she's a political genius came from but it needs to die.

The fuck kinda meme are you talking about? Literally no one has said this.

>>728377919
Not him, but being intelligent is NOT a prerequisite of a business owner by any means at all.

>>728365147
>working

You mean making other people work for you?


>>728366393
>Popular vote

There is no such thing. She got absolutely destroyed by your presidential election system, you know, the one that gave you all those perfectly fair election of democrat presidents.

>>728370947
More people decided on neither of them to be president because the largest single portion of eligible voters chose not to vote. Pretty hard mental gymnastics to say the smaller portion that you agree with are the only legitimate ones.

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>>728365147

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>>728365147
.

>>728385533
Nope - if you go by the election numbers, 3 million less people voted for her than for Obama the first time, and about 8 million less than Obama the first time. Trump pulled roughly the same numbers as the last few republican candidates. It was the Democrats that failed to show up. So it's math, not gymnastics.

That poor poor woman. Here, let me give her control of my country, and run it as her personal fiefdom so that she can feel better about herself.

>>728365147
No.

>>728386133
>implying Trump isn't trying to do this as we speak

Im a Socialist that likes Trump.
All I want now is :
Rich people to be taxed high and stop Jewing America. Tax all their hidden monies.

Legalize Marijuana and allow cancer patients to use both methods without insurance companies making Microwaved patients drop on a cup to make sure they are now taking weed or they instantly stop the zapper. (Ask Kentucky) also allow anyone to smoke it , sell it or buy it.

More vacation time.

20 million CEO cap and other profits go to employees.

Cheap medicine.


That's it. Let trump do whatever else he wants I will be happy.

>>728365147
If you knew how shitty of a human being she is, you wouldn't have asked that question. She probably hangs out on /pol/

>>728365147

THAT CUNT WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTHING IF SHE DIDN'T MARRY BILL CLINTON.

SHE DID NOTHING BUT RIDE HIS COATTAILS AND USE HIS FAME TO GET WHERE SHE IS.

IN OTHER WORDS, SHE DID NOTHING HERSELF, SHE OWES IT ALL TO A.... MAN.

SO REALLY, SHE'S A FUCKING DISGRACE TO THE WOMEN MOVEMENT, NOT A CHAMPION OF IT.

FUCK THAT CUNT.

SHE WOULD HAVE ENDED UP SOME DIVORCED SAD OLD CAT LADY IN ARKANSAS IF IT WASN'T FOR BILL CLINTON.

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>>728381453
I'm going to be honest here, I voted for Bernie in the primary, Jill stein in the general, and I do not support Trump in the slightest, but I was getting a massive sick pleasure from watching all of the shillbots and cunton supporters freaking out on election night.

>>728365644
she also pretty much holds immunity at this point. her and bill can go relax in their cottage and never have to worry about life again.