Are GMO's good or bad? Let's start a discussion my

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>>727915053
NO no discussion, they are bad period. OP is gay for thinking this even a topic of debate

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>>727915053

gmo is fine

>>727915053
They're like today's music, there's an excess of crappy ones used all over, but some of it is good and there's a future in experimenting with them

>>727915392
What about the side effects that shit causes?

for people who aren't on board with the natural repellents, its no different with dogs and chocolate

>>727915605
oh shit, can't wait for those experiments to bear fruit

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>>727915632
There are none autism

>>727915053
>Give a better solution for poor countries in areas that are hard to grow food on a large scale.

>>727915632
which ones? don't believe facebook propaganda. its like the anti-vaccine shit.

>>727915849
>>727915900
>>727915926
BTFO tards and your Frankenstein products

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjczL7stYnTAhWr7YMKHbXxDKIQFggmMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.organicauthority.com%2Ffoodie-buzz%2Feight-reasons-gmos-are-bad-for-you.html&usg=AFQjCNFBoI2SUHZ3poWov-jrowGG3Ijflg&sig2=gEA3nWqIaG4XHeso3eDrhA&bvm=bv.151325232,d.amc

>>727916070
this autismo

GMOs are good. The fears people have are massively over exaggerated, and it's been proven more than once that they are safe for consumption.
If you want a youtuber to explain them, watch this: https://youtu.be/7TmcXYp8xu4

>>727915053
GMO is the exact same fucking thing we've been doing for centuries. you think apples looked like they do today 2000 years ago?

>>727915632
they don't cause side effects.

for instance hormone growth regulators kill cockroaches, flies ect because it interferes with a hormone they use to enter the next phase of their life, so they die. Humans don't have this hormone, so even if you drank the chemical directly, you'd just puke it up and look stupid because it's like trying to put a Lincoln log and a lego together. it's incompatible.

>>727915632
saying GMO has side effects is like saying eating has side effects. it is a worthless assertion because it has no real meaning. total nonsense to assume that tampering with something's DNA will automatically make bad shit happen to you when you eat it, wtf. this is why public education funding is important.

>>727916070
what a wonderfully retarded article.
next thing you'll tell me microwaving water destroys it's thermomolecular vitaminonutrients and make sit poisonous

>>727916070
you fuckin' serious? Do I really have to dispute the reasons they give, because only 2 of those I would consider to be serious arguments, both of which can be easily countered with proper care

>>727915053
This is dumb. GMOs are scrutinized by several government run organizations. All to ensure their safety for human consumption and negative effects on the environment. If they were less healthy, they wouldn't be allowed to be sold.

>>727916147
I think OP linked that exact same vid kek

>>727916468
wow shit yeah he did. I'm retarded

>>727916385
No because there's fluoride in the water lines and that contaminates the water

>>727916070
>complete horse shit
Most of that article is based of the idea that we have little info on how these things work therefore it must be bad.

Its selling fear and you're buying into it.

>>727916541
Naw you good mate

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>>727916581

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Enjoy your autism-creating fruits and shit while I eat an all-natural non-gmo banana

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>>727915053
Ok OP, I will give you the definitive answer to end this thread.

The technology behind GMO is not bad.

The practice of patenting genetics is bad.

Example: Monsanto designs new wheat that grows 3x as much grain as normal wheat and repels insects. This is good because now more people can be fed by this productive, pest-free crop. However, because farmer John can't control which pollen bees bring to his fields, he ends up growing Monsanto super wheat without a license by accident. Farmer John gets sued for 600 million USD and then kills himself because his wife leaves him for being broke.

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>>727916165
Wrong. just no. this just shows you have no fucking clue. I'm not saying GMO is good or bad, but GMO is totally nothing like breeding. comparing those two is like comparing a hamster to the international space station. both of them are pretty fucking complicated, but that is the end of the similarities.

>>727916795
what the flying fuck type of banana is that.

>>727916431
There are two negatives to the GMO debate.
First and foremost, companies like Monsanto create and patent their GMO variant. If some of those variant's seeds fly over to a neighbouring field. Lawsuit. They've done it before, they'll do it again. Also, this can potentially lead to one company having a monopoly on our food supply, not to mention the long term environmental implications. As even bringing a plant/animal from another part of the world, can completely fuck up an ecosystem beyond repair. (Think asian carp in the great lakes. Or an invasive as fuck fish tank sea weed that's taken over the mediterranean. Both real world examples.)

The other issue, is human. We don't know if these GMO foods will have any long term effects on our insides. Things like increased cancer risk or other possible issues.

Now, in theory at least, GMO is the right way to go. It's what we've been doing since the dawn of civilization with our selective breeding methods. The only difference here, is we're doing it at a rate, and on a level, that is WAY beyond what we've done for the past 10000 years or so.

>>727916996
That's how bananas look when they aren't selectively bred to be seedless.

>>727915053
Gmo is good nigga

>>727916996
a natural one

>>727916795

That's a non-GMO banana. It has a fraction of the fruit pulp that GMO bananas have.

TL;DR - "Genetically Modified Organisms" is just a short way of saying, "Forcing organisms to have sex and only keeping the offspring that we deem as being beneficial." I can't believe so many anti-GMO tards aren't aware of this.

>>727916147
yeah, and corporations like Monsanto are really conserned about you long term health and well-being. No, wait, they are conserned about their immediate profit, and nothing else. This is a bit worrying, don't you think?

>>727915053
Lol nice miss info you fake news nigger. Switch the labels and you have it right.

>>727917188
In the old days, that's exactly what it was.
But we're splicing genes from fish into fruit to get the Omega-3s into our apples and shit.
We've made glow in the dark cats too.
All sorts of fucked up shit we're doing in the GMO field.

>>727916843
Source

>>727917188
This isn't exactly correct. Modern GMO can and often does involve the introduction of foreign genes to an organism. It's not the same as selective breeding but it accomplishes the same thing, more or less, and is just as guilty of being "unnatural."

>>727915201
/Thread
Read altered genes.

Doesn't take any Ingenuity to figure their scheme out the largest pharmaceutical company in the world owns the largest food manufacturer in the world how do I make sure you buy my drugs forever well I genetically modify your food and spray it with way more pesticides than it would ever need that way you have to buy my drugs to fix all the ailments caused by that

>>727917188
/thread let's move onto boi pucci and edgy memes

>>727917334
I don't know the source either, but I've heard of similar cases criticizing Monsanto for exactly what he described.

Same thing with Round Up resistant strains of crops. Their seeds end up on farmer John's field, Monsanto cracks him over the head with a lawsuit.

>>727916843
>>727917334

>Organic Seed Growers and Trade Association et al. v. Monsanto Company

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>>727916070
Go activate your fucking almonds before I curb stomp you for halting research

>>727915632
>side effects

None are known retard

>implying you can escape consumption

its time to give up

>>727917428
You are a moron

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>>727916996
Same type as this watermelon.

>>727917428
nice hat

>>727917099
>>727917139
ty guys, i'm 27 and i've never seen a non-gmo banana i guess.

>>727915053
Monsanto has some seriously shady business practices but there is nothing wrong with GMOs in and of themselves.

Okay, here we go...
GMOs in themselves are NOT bad.
For instance, a dna sequence is composed of various nucleotides which three of them, then in turn compose amino acids which are coded into genes and expressed, only a small amount of actual DNA is expressed, the exons. by modifying nucleotides within these exons, amino acids can change due to the nucleotide composition, so a replacement of a nucleotide can result in an entirely new amino acid being coded. Specific amino acid sequences for specific genes have been determined. For example, a naturally found celery stalk which is resistant to drought has a gene that allows it to be such through X technique. The gene that is transcribed to cause this drought resistance is composed of Leu-Asp-Val (completely abstract amino acids)

A breed of corn which supplies most of north america has a transcribed amino acid sequence of Leu-Asp-Ala (once again, abstract). The nucleotides that compose alanine are GCU, now if the C nucleotide were genetically modified to contain GUU, the amino acid being coded would in turn be Valine, and the gene expressed (assuming the same transcription window) would allow the corn to be resistant to drought, as various proteins would be made within the organism

This is extremely simplified and is much more complex in reality.

The reason that GMOs are NOT good.
A large portion of GMO foods are owned, distributed and regulated by a few large multinational food corporations, such as Monsanto. The primary goals of these companies is to increase their yield, survivability and in turn, profit of their crops as much as they can. As the regulation is controlled by these companies, health and safety of the public is not a priority to them if it means sacrifice of crop survivability, and in turn, profit.

Ex: a crop of wheat modified genetically such that it is pesticide/weedicide resistant. The crop is then soaked in pesticide to protect it, and we, in turn, digest copious amounts of the pesticide

>>727916843
source oif that image is a porn film called high temperature, i think

>>727917483
>>727917485
Since I didn't get to quote you.
It's a damn myth that they sue little farmers over this bull shit.
Monsanto admits it's pointless to sue over this issue because not only is it mean spirited but financially retarded on their end.

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>>727917069
Right, except for the last part. Kids imagine GMO like some precision laser-guided surgery of the genome. Well, think again. More like researcher who don't really have a clue randomly bombarding the genome, hoping to get the result they want. And if it resembles vaguely the goal, they call it product and quickly sell it.
Hell, 10 years ago researchers were talking about "over 90% junk DNA". Turns out there is little to no "junk" in the DNA of any species. That is 10 years. GMO has been around longer than that. This is how much we understand what we are doing. Fucking kindergarten kids baking sand pies. With cigarette butts for decoration. And we are eating it. Good appetite!

>>727917723
If TL;DR
>>727917712
then essentially this

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>>727917416
Not really, it is guilty of doing something we totally don't understand, and calling it safe because fuck you. (And $$$.)

>>727917679
But have you ever seen a Gros Michel banana?

>>727917770
UNLESS, the suing of little farmers is about land, copious amounts of land. For example, monsanto buys up large amounts of farm land, but one farmer refuses to give in.


There are documented law cases of this exact scenario. Would you like citations dear friend

>>727917944
Something that you don't understand, maybe. Consider that we selectively bred organisms for a dozen millennia before Gregor Mendel was ever born. I wonder how many people were freaking out about selective breeding back then.

>>727917790
There's a reason why I put "in theory' on that last part.

Fun fact: We're literally splicing everything into everything else just because!
And it's not completely blind in this day and age.
Sure, they don't really know what the end result may be! But they have a good enough idea of what they're doing to be able to consistently create glowing kitty cats.

Where's that faggot that always argues that Wal-mart veg/fruits are literal poison? Not done arguing with you yet, cunt.
>>727915053
And OP, the pictures are reversed. Used to grow heirloom tomatoes and they came out smaller and less "full" than the thick juicy GMO's at the store.

>>727917582
wow i know watermelons have seeds but i've never seen one like that before, or is that like some sort of art thing?

>>727915823
Underrated comment

>>727918092
don't forget the spider goats producing silk in their milk.

>>727918151
It's how they used to be untill we decided they needed to stop being shit.

>>727917790
Holy fuck you are profoundly dumb.

>>727918192
That's brilliant though.
Silk is valuable as fuck. And that's an easy way to mass produce it.

And unless you're a middle eastern goat fucker, there's no way it's going to affect you. As most civilized nations don't eat goat.

>>727918001
>but not suing over cross contamination.
Actually read what I'm arguing about dipshit.

>>727915053

That was just a giant piece of propaganda for the use of GMOs.

I agreed before that gmos are good in a way and of course being abused by industry....but that video was basically a circle jerk in itself.


>lets talk about the negatives with me adding a "but followed by a good thing o and also heres the good things"

GMOs are good. Its better to have an over abundance of food then not enough. The way food is controlled though its not like GMOs are doing mich good when americans throw out away more then 30% of thier food supply. Meanwhile jamal negro in africa is staRving to death.

Humans are wierd and the longer Im here I see the earth is more so fucked up then the previois day.

>>727918107
If memory serves me correct, didn't tomatoes at one point have their genes spilced with that of a fish? I know it was to defend against something

>>727917679
fun fact: the banana flavoring used in those fruity hard candies are how the actual banana used to taste like before the Panama Plague wiped them out. The bananas we all eat now, bright yellow ones, are all a genetic clone from an original. Cheap but a single disease could wipe those all out as well.

>>727918316
If my patented seeds show up on your lot, I'm going to sue you for use of my proprietary seeds without my express permission.
The amount of time and money spent in R&D more than justifies cracking down on every stray seed that may or may not have settled in an adjacent plot.

>>727918316
I think what he's saying is that they sue for cross contamination but the real reason is land acquisition. I don't have a source for that though, just seems like that's what he's saying.

>>727915053
Fun fact GMOs are safe anyone who tells you otherwise has no clue what they are talking about

Source: I'm a biochemist who makes GMOs

>>727918088
You comparing GMO to selective breeding means you need to go to bed. The two has nothing in common. this is like comparing Tqwatshaipu, the 6th century medicine man to a laser surgery specialist. Read some biology before you make a fool of yourself again, dimwit.

>>727918092
>>727918192
Neither of you know a single fucking thing about science. The goats milk was modified to produce a protein that can be extracted and made into spider silk, they aren't "spider goats producing silk in their milk". You sound just like the fear-mongering sensationalist media.

>>727915926
aluminium hydroxide in vaccines is neurotoxic, there is ton of evidence on that. (inb4 CDC studies that use aluminium salts and not Al hydroxide).That being one of the many valid criticisms on vaccines. But sure lets attaack the magic "anti-vaccine" strawman, that sure will sure how skeptic we are, since everything labeled "science" is true now, the new dogma kids.

>>727918316
dipshit....

see
>>727918489

Dipshit

>>727918472
Read the case I cited before you sound more dumb.

>>727917723
well you make a good argument, but studies have proven that the pesticides used on crops are specific to the digestive tracts of pests such as locusts, so are piratically harmless to humans, in the same way toxins in chocolate are poisonous to dogs in large doses, but do not effect humans.
>Source: https://www.nap.edu/read/23395/chapter/8#180

Also, it's likely the FDA would be up the asses of these companies should a single effect be proven, so it's not unreasonable to think the companies will test the product and confirm whatever pesticides are eaten are safe for human consumption

The only people who think they're inherently terrible and that the topic isn't even up for discussion are the same people that think the wage gap exists.
I have seen no evidence to suggest GMOs are anything but beneficial to society. They create more food, better food, and healthier food. GMOs are also the most available option for feeding those who otherwise have no access to food.
Those who say they "aren't organic" are just plain wrong. Anything that could be considered "food" is organic, as your body is incapable of creating energy from inorganic materials.

>>727916070
>http://www.organicauthority.com
>credible
Find a research article that directly states GMOs are bad for humans. When you find out there are none because GMOs are not harmful you'll realize how stupid you look.

>>727918440
They added the "anti-freeze" gene from a certain kind of fish into tomatoes to try to make them more resilient to the cold. Turns out that makes fishy-smelling tomatoes and it was scrapped iirc.

>>727918567
You sound like a knee jerk specialist.
Not really understanding what he's reading, but exploding in negativity when all he needed to do was add his point and move on.
Thus making no one give a shit about what you have to say, because you said it like a sperg.

Can't talk about the other fellow, but I was well aware of this. No matter which way you cut it, that goat isn't quite the same as all the other goats. And I'd be hesitant to eat it. Even more hesitant to drink/make cheese out of it's milk.
For good reason!

Now go back to your tinfoil hat and shotgun drives. The adults are talking.

>>727918507
genetic modification and selective breeding are different means to the same end and can both be subject to the same arbitrary criticisms. there was a time when one sumerian looked at another sumerian putting pollen from one plant in another and said "are you sure that's safe?"

>>727918092
Maybe. I have actually worked with researchers (being a biologist myself), and I know how little we know and how much guesswork is included. Which is OK, if things stay in the lab; but since this is all about profit, well...
And the glowing kitty is nice, but nobody knows what else they accidentally spliced in there, or what other effects the genome changes will have on the animal. This shit is not as simple as simple minded people think...

>Goat gets some shit done to it
>Starts producing spider silk protein shit
>Protein is extracted from the milk
>Somehow this is not the goat producing spider silk in its milk

You better fucking join me in the bed.

>>727918605
Post a scientific publish paper demonstrating aluminum hydroxide in vaccines causing this

>>727918276
Out of arguments, resort to witty remarks. Good job. Why not study some biology instead of making a fool of yourself?

>>727916431
Just like tobacco, alcohol, many drugs, and many other products that end out of the market after years or decades of harming the public and finally the public complaining.
Kill yourself.

>>727918887
was meant for
>>727918567

>>727918497
So you get paid for this, great, you are just a lot more trustworthy now. :)

>>727918436
Yeah, we've reached the point of beyond fucked.
I say we just blow it up.

>>727918659
I was simply using a made up example to get my point out there. The fact is that these modifications sometimes allow the crop to undergo things that are not necessarily healthy for humans, whether it be creation of a single protein, that in large doses causes some sort of issue, or something along the lines of pesticides.

My point isnt that they are necessarily bad, but that the lack of regulation can allow greedy corporations to do bad things to the crops which have had their genomes selected.

>>727919007
Has no clue what he is talking about.
KYS

>>727918840
Not simple even in the slightest! Which is why we need to focus on long term study of GMO products that are already on the market. As well as being wary about any new ones.
But new GMO products are coming out at such a rate that there's no way to keep up on what's going to give you super cancer or not.
So what's the average consumer to do?

>>727918624
While many lawsuits involve breach of Monsanto's Technology Agreement, farmers who have not signed this type of contract, but do use the patented seed, can also be found liable for violating Monsanto's patent.That said, Monsanto has stated it will not "exercise its patent rights where trace amounts of our patented seed or traits are present in farmer's fields as a result of inadvertent means."

Their lawsuits involve patent infringement due to intentionally replanting patented seed

>>727915053
Depends on how it was modified and what was modified

>>727918810
The adults apparently don't understand even basic molecular biology. There is no good reason to avoid eating it aside from ignorance and paranoia, but hey, you implied I was a kid so you sure showed me!

>>727919007
All of those things are sold with disclaimers notifying the end consumer of their effects. I'm not saying trust the FDA, because they are pretty corrupt, but I don't think your argument holds up.

>>727915053
Anyone complaining about GMO's in general, doesn't know what those words mean.

>>727918815
even if this very very over-simplified comparison is true, the fact that last time (using more or less natural phenomena) we got luck doesn't mean we will get lucky again.

>>727919093
Psh doesn't understand the science.
assumes those who do are lying about its safety
Retard

>>727918507
gmo and selective breeding are both centric around the concept of isolating specific desired phenotype of a plant or animal, and nurturing the trait to be as desireable for the consumer as possible. The difference is that selective breeding is a 'natural' process conducted through the reproductive cycle of plants and is slow compared to the direct modifacation of a plant to mirror or display desired traits, such as larger crops, and livestock with more harvestable meat (eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Blue is a breed with a selecively bred condition)

>>727919093
Literally every expert on every topic will have experience in that field and usually makes money off their education and expertise. This does not make them liars whenever they talk about their subject. That's asinine.

>>727915053
I think there are unforseen consequences to gmos that could effect humans on a genetic level. I mostly go for organic food but I'm not beyond eating mcdonalds and other crap. I just think that it's perfectly fine to be concerned about gmos, because we don't know about the long term effects. Much like how people were unaware how unhealthy smoking tobacco products is.

I think its good that people are concerned and
in time those people could be proven right. So i think it's good for mankind that people refuse to eat gmo food. Even if their veiws turn out to be unfounded.

>>727919344
There are plenty of adults, older than myself as well, who I would still call "child". It's a mentality. A state of mind. Not a number, unless you are a lawyer. In which case "adult" is typically 18+.

Now, I go back to my statement. If you didn't respond like a sperg, you may have actually been able to add to the discussion. Now you're just wasting bump limit. So I'm going to stop replying to you unless you actually state something of substance, and in a way that doesn't come off as dickish.

>>727919243
>Super cancer
you prob have no clue how cancer forms

>>727916070
>1. The health consequences of eating genetically modified organisms are largely unknown.
If it's for sale to eat, then all the consequences of it are entirely known. This isn't just experiment-to-plate.
Years of research go into each variety before consumers get close to them.
And eating strange genes, does not impart those genes on you.
>2. Food items that contain GMOs are unlabeled in America.
Because just about all of it is GMO at one point and has been totally harmless for decades.
>3. Genetic engineering reduces genetic diversity
Only in what is used for mass agriculture, and doesn't do that any worse than selective breeding.
>4. Once the mutant genes are out of the bag, there is no going back.
Wat.
>Genetically modified organisms contaminate existing seeds with their altered material, passing on modified traits to non-target species.
That's literally not how genetics work.
>GMOs are not the answer for global food security. Genetically engineered crops have shown no increase in yield
This is patently false.
>6. Genetically engineered foods have not been proven to be safe, but the few studies conducted don’t look so hot. The organs of rats who ate genetically modified potatoes showed signs of chronic wasting, and female rates fed a diet of herbicide-resistant soybeans gave birth to stunted and sterile pups.
That gets a big [Citation Needed]
>7. Big biotech firms have very sketchy track records
As opposed to hippies who deny science when it doesn't fit their agenda against GMOs?
>8. GMOs require massive amounts of pesticides, herbicides and fungicides
They don't require those and what is used is highly regulated. Unlike the pesticides used on "organic" foods. Yeah, those get blasted with the same stuff and there's no regulation to wash it off before it gets to the store shelves.

>>727919243
exactly. The concious customer is to take care of themselves and eat organic stuff. Let the plebs feed on artificial pleb food.

>>727916070
>making it a bit easier for the consumer to know what she is eating
>she
Stopped reading there.

>>727919153
completely agree with what you're saying here

>>727919541
I have a basic idea that's slightly better than the average Joe.

Now look at the rest of my comment, and ignore the meme I put on the end. K?

>>727919588
>Cost
I'm not paying twice as much for half the calories. Sorry, pal. Most people can't justify that.

>>727918887
The goat has no spider properties whatsoever aside from producing a specific protein component in their milk. Spider webs aren't coming out when you milk the goat. I'm arguing against the intentionally misleading wording that's meant to associate genetic engineering with creating monstrosities.

>>727919373
Sorry kid, I'm a biologyst. But, unlike you, I don't get paid to spread GMO propaganda.
Oops.

>>727918810
>it's not the same as everything around it therefore I don't like it.
Okay, mein führer.
In all seriousness, you do raise a fair point. As you said, I'd be more hesitant to eat it than something that is proven to be perfectly fine and healthy. But once the modified goat is proven to have no adverse effects on humans, I'd be just as fine with it as with any other goat.

In regards to the first part of your post, he's perfectly justified to defend his position. Saying otherwise is just plain foolish.

>>727919515
>affect humans on a genetic level

why do people think it is even a possibility that GMO products can "infect" humans with something? like the altered DNA is going to just survive digestion and cooking and all that shit and then give you cancer or something?

>>727919598
kek

>>727919153
Pro tip: GMO production is heavily regulated

>>727919147

Bail?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l6UmoezKk3c

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>>727915053

Yeah, fuck these GMO tomatoes!

>>727919459
So you are saying... The international space station is a lot like a ladybug. Because both fly. You are over-simplifying something you don't know nothing about, because you want to believe it is good, because... Why? Guess this is like religion.

>>727919588
hell yeah

>>727919869
> Citations Needed

>>727917069

Sorry, I hate Monsanto, Syngenta, etc as much as you, but that story is utter bullshit and it was proven beyond any doubt at all that the guy knowingly planted seeds. Their contracts with farmers are scammy as fuck, and that's enough to make them assholes, but spreading fake hippie libtard stories doesn't help your cause.

I am just going to leave this here.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101104083102.htm&ved=0ahUKEwiQrfzOvonTAhUrjFQKHeuSD5QQFggdMAE&usg=AFQjCNEpCxmJUL2-oswCxk51Il2kS1gZrQ&sig2=ycau3qqP1_dWjKxzgtXIgQ

>>727919658
But calling them spider-goats makes it cool for the kids.

>>727917962
i hadnt. i've seen the cavendish ones, plantains and another small one just called "island bananas", at least thats the name they had in peru, they are a little orange, and much smaller, like half the size of a typical cavendish.

>>727915053
GMO's are very bad, they dont even know the long term effects of them plus some scientists tested them on some animals and after awhile the mice were sterile.

>>727919735
I know he's fine in his point. It's the way he said it that bothers me.
He used an angry accusatory tone when all he had to do was say something like, "to add to your point". But he didn't. Just sperged like a sperg.

Now, back to my point. It's the long term studies that we don't have. Once you can prove everything is peachy keen? Sure! GMO all the way! Bigger, better, healthier! Assuming it's done right. Better crop yields too. Everything in theory, will be better with GMO. So long as the long term studies are on the level.

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>>727917315

>naming 2 things that are, at worst, neutral, and at best could change millions of lives for the better and implying they're shady and fucked up

What are you, some edgelord 12 year old? Go post on youtube faggot.

>>727919648
Ahh yeah, guess you have calorie problems, poor starving Marvin. Or you are too poor to afford high quality food? Or you are just dumb as fuck.

>>727920018
I second this notion

>>727919725
Biologist? Kek, I can see why you fear GMOs because you are too dumb to learn the biochemistry of GMOs

>>727920018
Source that they are not regulated

>>727919556

Bravo, sir! FUCKING BRAH! VO!

>>727917334

Don't worry man, as I said above, it's utter bullshit and the SINGLE CASE that people keep trying to quote on here was WELL PROVEN that the farmer knew what he was doing and deliberately planted the seeds. HIS ENTIRE FUCKING FIELD WAS PLANTED PERFECTLY WITH MONSANTO SEEDS. Their contract with farmers is bullshit, yes, but like I said spreading bullshit stories makes people look completely fucking retarded.

>>727915053
It's hard to eat clean almost everything's infected

>>727919807
You need to read up on epigenetics. For all we know gmos could cause mutations that over the course of 3 generations could render people infertile. Now there is no evidence of such a thing, thats why i am unafraid of eating gmo products. But there is a chance especially when there are many different types of gmo. I don't see any problem with people from abstaining from gmos when such a thing is possible.

>>727919980
He is wrong for saying that they are both about isolating and emphasizing genes since GMO does often involve foreign gene insertion, at least in R&D, but saying that this makes GMO worse than selective breeding has seriously no reason behind it. It's like you draw a line in the sand because "this one here is ickier than the other one."

>>727920208
Most scientists of any field collectively have the same fear. When they create something and it having to bite them in the end. Basically blowback or back firing

>>727920100
yeah this comment sounds legit, i'll believe this one

>>727920208
So you resort to "kek". Got nothing of value to add, I see. Rekt.

>>727920193
I'm living on more than the average citizen in my country. After bills and everything? I can't justify doubling my food budget. So it's safe to assume the average citizen can't.
Not to mention, supply and demand. There's simply not enough to go around, nor is it available everywhere in the country.

It simply not a viable, feasible option for most.

>>727918452
actually, arent the current cavendish crops already dying out? i could have swore i saw an article on that like 2 years ago.

>>727916760
Ok enjoy ur fluoride cunt
Be sure to increase it for you and put it in everything else so it poisons you

Let's be real: the potential for risk is there, as with any new technology. People could possibly do terrible things with GMO food as mentioned before, but I don't believe that's a reason to throw the idea out all together. There is nothing inherently dangerous about GMO foods, and with proper research and regulation we could minimise abuse or risk. It's necessary that we give this technique a chance, because the possibility exists to lessen world hunger and reduce the need for harmful artificial additives. This could be truly world changing technology we're sitting on.

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>>727918723

I like that he tried to hide the source by using a google redirect link too, what a fucking faggot.

>>727915053
Bad when you're a white college educated woman from an upper middle class upbringing in a first world nation that has never gone hungry a day in her life or had to be concerned about where her next meal would come from,

Good when you're one of the literal millions upon millions of people from third world nations that would have starved to death without the nutrition provided by gmo grains that provide a hardier, more bountiful crop.

Debating over the merits of GMO foods, climate change, and dirty vs clean energy sources are luxuries limited to the people of wealthy nations that aren't locked in a literal daily life or death struggle to find and maintain nutrition, hydration and shelter.

>>727920505
Banana crops are suffering from some form of plague. Just like the banana crops before that! Which is why we eat the current banana type. The older, better version died out due to our farming practices. Makes disease spread real good!

>>727916760
I'll be laughing at your mouth in the long run freak for brains

>>727919556

Not sure if elaborate bait or complete fucking retard.

Did you miss the whole thing about how every prepackaged food now has to be labeled whether it contains GMOs or not?

>>727920136
I didn't put "to add to your point" because I'm not trying to add to your point. I'm disagreeing with you, silly-willy.

>>727920517

If literally eat anything you havent grown and made yourself your risk of cancer is on par with tabacco users.

>>727917740
this is true. it is probably my favorite pornographic video, ever.

>>727916795
Isn't that okra
T. South

>>727920449
Oh what other than saying youre a biologist how do you refute my arguement? Other than implying I get paid to spread propaganda. Which is not true, I get paid to do biochemical research with GMOs that I create

Exactly how are GMOs unsafe mister biologist?

>>727915053

GMOs are not bad in themselves. They help to create more food that is resistant to temperature changes, diseases, and insects without the need for actually harmful pesticides.
There are also no none side effects from eating GMOs as they are food all the same.

Way to get the pot stirring though with this thread. You can defiantly see the anti-vaccine retards try to hold their ground.

It's just food retards. This shit happens by itself in nature all the time. Literally birds and bees shit.

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>>727920767

>>727920711
No, you're just adding to my point. As no where in the original post did I mention anything about spidergoat doing anything but producing milk.
You elaborated on the subject.
Thus "to add to my point".

Please though. Stop sperging and read/comprehend more. You made a valid statement. Just in a really autistic way. You're also not showing that you're capable of any other form of communication.
So it's something you need to work on.

>>727920364
Explain how they could cause mutation because you're kinda missing the central supporting evidence to your argument there. Don't just make assertions and say "Go read up on X because I can't be bothered to back up my statements".

>>727920897
Nah, it's a banana with seeds.

>>727920697
And that's a law sonny, that no one in the industry abides by sadly

>>727915053
I don't know what additional discussion past that video we can have. It's pretty comprehensible in explaining how it's done, and the positive and negative aspects it brings. They even cite their own shit if anyone calls bullshit.

>>727917210
How can you honestly be this fucking stupid? Man if you are trolling you are doing a fantastic job at looking like a fucking retard, so I apploud your enthusiasm. However, if you want to actually talk and act like an adult you ahould consider thinking rationally. Obviously montsanto cares about their inmediate profit, just like every other fucking company in the entire history of capitalism. However, if you think for more than half a second you would see that the shitstorm GMOs being bad would cause would likely put them out of bussiness or at the very least, diminish their "inmediate return".

>>727921020

The amount of bait/mental retardation in this thread is staggering. Go find a locally (US) produced (not Canada, China, Korea, etc) packaged food product in your store and look right below the nutrition label. Repeat for literally every product. Fuckwit.

>>727915053
GMO is fine. Keep eating it Ameritards.

>>727920364
You have no clue what epigenetics are do you?

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>>727915053
This such a good fucking thread, out of the million trap and YLYL threads this shining fortress of clashing ideas and opinions gives me such hope for this place. Brings a tear to my eye honestly

>>727915053
Agrifag here.
GMO goods are a product of corporate greed and help noone but the wealthy CEOs who own and perpetuate the companies like Monsanto that make um.
if you want to know anything about anything read "The Soil Will Save Us" by Kristin Ohlson and research organic agricultural studies done in the last 20 years.
organic agriculture produces the exact same yields as the now 'conventional' GMO industries.
organic farms have exponentially more longevity than GMO crop fields which are prone to nutrient run off and collecting herbicides in the soil that do not readily wash away.
the only real argument GMO proponents can put out is 'muh GM TOMATO lasts WEEKS longer then stupid regular tomato!'
Well sure that sounds great on the surface until you do a little digging and find that
A) GM tomato has very low lycopene and other nutrient values contrary to popular belief, so no bacteria would want to eat it.....
B) as part of a 'normal' process these crops are irradiated to give it a longer shelf life. It should go without saying that irradiated food is fucking bad for you.

>>727915053
Good. Same as with vaccines: There is no "discussion". There is just a bunch of very vocal crackpots who are against it.

>>727915392
Retard alert

>>727921179
Alright Brit Fagget, explain how GMO's are bad

>>727915280
>hur bigger is better tho!
>hurr durr see one example out of trillions!

>>727921007
I was calling you stupid and disagreeing with what the other anon said. The part about the spider goats was directed at the other person. Two separate points and not adding to yours. Do you understand it now?

Aslong as its properly tested its good

>>727921432
> irradiated food is fucking bad for you
Seriously, put that shit at the beginning of your tirade so I can stop reading right away.

>>727915605
Ya except todays music doesnt influence climate change or the entire health of a country you fucking twat.
.... not nearly in the same way at least.

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>>727917188
>claiming that the outrage over gmo is about selective breeding
This is what it looks like when an ignoramus absorbs messaging from a food industry press release, and then unwittingly shills it for free, for anonymous online validation because no one offline will talk to him

kys laddie

>>727921607
You method of posting still needs work.
Try better formatting so you aren't responding to two separate people with one statement.
You'll sound like less of a sperg, and might actually be taken seriously! Or at least your points will be given a bit more weight.

>>727921011
Well all your going to get from me is a shitty layman explanation. But as far as i understand, there are changes within genes that are caused by an organism's environment. It is expressed outside of the base of the genetic code.

Please look this up and you will understand my point. As you only have my layman's explanation. I think dr Ronda Patrick puts it i easy to understand terms.

>>727921468
OP here, I like when ideas clash, it gives people a way to rebuttal what hey know and learn something in the end.

I'll probably do another thread like this but different subject matter

>>727921288
A bunch of pseudo-intellectual "scientists" calling each other faggots gives you hope?

>>727915053
Our genetics have been modified for some time now. Our dna is changing and not so much due to evolution, but rather drugs, additives in foods. Yes i believe GMOs are bad. Anything the shit species humans touch is bad.

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>>727921823
You're a faggot shut the fuck up. Get stoned.

>>727921823
Well in jest i believe one of them called themselves a scientist. But people are at least talking, and saying their just calling eachother faggots is a bit of a stretch. It's start

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>>727921929

>>727921830
Hmm interesting view point

>>727921796
That's not how crackpots work. They will examine the evidence, discard the facts that do not conform to their prejudices, and present their half-truths as "proof" or their preconceived bullshit. Having a discussion with them is an utter waste of time.

>>727916843
>>727917334
I have the source but let me search it

>>727921830
You know that eating the ebil satan science GMO glowing fish tomatoes (that don't exist) can't mutate your genetics and make you have gay autism, right?

I know you are scared and are trying to find something to explain those underpants-area feelings you have been having but there is no-one to blame but yourself.

>>727915632
They are poorly documented unfortunately and therefore its difficult to make a consensus on how GMO foods affect humans.
also consider this...
how many medical doctors in America would even begin to consider that the highly processed fruits grains and veges with alien genetics in them that you eat daily are causing you to get chromes or cancer etc? Practically fucking none as American doctors are fucking clueless about the importance of diet on a molecular and genetic level, much less would they begin to consider that GMO foods may have played a roll. If the medical establishment is oblivious to the problem, then there is no problem.

>>727916795

>selective breeding is the same as genetic modification

There's always one of you retards in these threads.

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>>727921506
Money baby

>>727917523
Plenty are known you useless mongoloid and more would be known if there wasnt a persistent lobbying effort to keep this shit quiet since the 80s.

>>727921432
This faggot is full of shit

>>727922363
Your tinfoil hat is too tight, m8.

>>727922165
i dunno man, it was civil in like the first 10 posts then spiraled into chaos. Still a good start

>>727916305
Oh really where is the research done on the effects of GMO crops on human health?
Go on you baseless retard, im waiting.

>>727921432
>It should go without saying that irradiated food is fucking bad for you.
You know whats a billion times worse for you? Food Poisoning.

>>727922363
The only side effects are where a non gmo crop nuts on the gmo crop and produces an unknown mix

>>727916375
Either troll or unpaid Monsanto shill either way lets see you back that up.
>protip: you literally cannot cuz it isnt out there

>>727922551
Salmonella is the fucking worst.
Three days emptying out from both ends.
Fucking hell on earth, I tell ya.
Weak as shit for days afterwards.
Would not recommend.

>>727922223
>They are poorly documented unfortunately and therefore its difficult to make a consensus on how GMO foods affect humans.
Kek, experiments that have concluded GMOs to cause cancer have been found to be no reproducible and full of experimental design flaws. And thus retracted from publications

>>727922181
Fucking keked how can i be mad at your response? Keep eating your pesticides fag

>>727922634
You are the troll and are dumb

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Most GMOs are designed to reduce the cost of food production by making the plants more resistant to bacteria and insects, this improves yields. There is no real info on if there are any long term risks, but without them, all food will be multiple times more expensive.

>>727916147
Pest shield >9000 kek

>>727922745
I bet you are afraid of round up ready corn, must suck to be dumb

>>727916147
Trumpkin neckbeard detected.

>>727922802
There is no reliable info on long term risks of most foodstuffs, GMO or not. Simply because those experiments are too complicated. Should we stop eating?

>>727916147
This offers nothing in the way of proof or evidence kys

>>727922984
Bernie basement dweller triggered.

>>727923037
Where is your evidence GMOs are unsafe? Peer reviewed scientific journals only please

>>727922984
self-proclaimed lord of the dance verified

>>727923022
Most foodstuffs are natural in nature. Or at least have been for the majority of human evolution. Even with selective breeding, we can be fairly certain that whatever comes out, is probably fine. History has proven that.

GMO is taking that selective breeding, and pushing it into overdrive through gene manipulation.
This is a whole other kettle of fish! And should be scrutinized a whole lot more than our regular crops.
Which have had long term studies done on them. But mostly in relation to pesticides/herbicides/fertilizers and their effects on the environment and human populations.

Fun fact! "Organics" farmers use the chemicals too! Just chemicals that were in use 100 or so years ago that most farmers stopped using due to environmental problems, or efficiency issues!

You fucking inbred shitstains. Apparently only a couple people know what GMOs really are. Lets start with the acronym: Genetically Modified Organisms.
>ok then, now why do we create them
GMOs are created through what we call genetic engineering, which is basically changing the genes directly. We can change the genes so that an apple is no longer susceptible to a certain disease, or it is more efficient in using water, making it drought-resistant. There are no harmful chemicals involved like in regular fruit pesticide that cause your autism to multiply tenfold. We are essentially forcing plants to evolve, but almost instantly.
>bu-bu-but muh nuuz sourse sayz it iz dangeruz
Your news source is fucking autistic. We are already partially doing this to ourselves through gene therapy. So go back to school you uneducated shitskin.
>i think gmos are probably cheaper than regular "non geemo organic" food. Probably because "muh whole foods is better"

>>727923383
>GMO is taking that selective breeding, and pushing it into overdrive through gene manipulation.
This is a whole other kettle of fish! And should be scrutinized a whole lot more than our regular crops.
Which have had long term studies done on them. But mostly in relation to pesticides/herbicides/fertilizers and their effects on the environment and human populations
Kek, you really think GMOs arent being extensively tested before we eat them?

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>>727923022
Nope, and it is likely that there are no risks, as most of the modifications are introducing mutations found in other plants. Due to the world population, we need GMOs to keep food from becoming prohibitively expensive.

>>727923636
They are. Not denying that. But, we have no long term studies on any given GMO product. How could we? They (in their current forms) have only been on the market for a decade or two!

There are plenty of cases where things seem great in the beginning, but 20, 30, or even 50 years down the line, things go really really bad. And it's directly linked to the thing everyone thought was the bees knees.

>>727916165
Lol no you dumb fuck GMO are the same as if you were gona have a baby but some guy decided your baby needed to have gills so he injects fish DNA into your stupid pregnant lady then your baby came out looking like a tree and they said 'Nope, new baby.' Only they do that thousands and thousands of times to seeds until they have made something that is literally alien to the tree of life on earth, like a fucking space alien plant. That is NOT what agriculture has been for the last 2000 years cuz it was LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE until the 1980s, you stupid mother fucker. You know what's even BETTER? They have no idea what theyre really doing.
They grow their shit new seeds til they find one they like and patent it with almost zero tastes for safety and efficacy of the plant.
then you feed that to your stupid family, they get cancer like 5 times faster than they should, and you act like thats just the way life goes cuz you never bothered to think 'hey, maybe not all companies make perfectly safe healthy food?'

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>>727923596
Did you think this was a competent and cogent expression of an argument? The bleach is under the sink, and your parents don't love you.

>>727923383
> GMO is taking that selective breeding, and pushing it into overdrive through gene manipulation.

Implying this is a bad thing. Fearmongering for the superstitious.

> And should be scrutinized a whole lot more > than our regular crops.

Says who? If I am given the choice of having normal rice or rice enriched in vitamin A, I'd take the latter, since not doing so would leave hundreds of thousands of children dead or blind in the third world.

> hurr durr natural is better
Go kys.

>>727915201
Thread

>>727923842
lol, how does it feel being fucking retarded?

>>727923842
>injected fish genes into baby
>bably looks like tree
You are absolutely stupid.
>>727923636
WHO FUCKING CARES? They arent pumped full of pesticides and chemicals. GMOs are as natural as us. They live of the same things we do. Unless you injected them with some fucking poison plant genes and fucked up, chances are youre just a retarted democratic shill who fell for the botnet

>>727923804
Summary of several long term GMO studies
http://www.skepticink.com/smilodonsretreat/2012/10/24/a-survey-of-long-term-gm-food-studies/

>>727917881
Oh wait, do you need to build up an argument for taking action when someone is punching your loved ones behind your back and there are mountains of security footage showing it?
Kinda the same case here, stupid faggot.

>>727923988
Why must you be so confrontational?
I wasn't fear mongering, I was expressing a valid concern.
I too would prefer the enriched versions. But I'm not ignorant enough to simply think that because it has something that makes it better than something else, that there is no potential for negatives. Especially when there is no evidence one way or the other.
So study is called for so that IF something comes up that proves that enriched rice causes cancer, I'd like to know about it so I can stop eating it!

I also hate the organics movement. Read my "fun fact". You'll realize you've just made an ass of yourself.

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>>727923988
Any faggot who uses the "People need food in the third world" don't really give a shit about those shitskin children and just want to shill their GMO shit down on other people

>>727924215
Lol you obviously don't know anything about the topic of this thread faggot.

>>727924217
>90 days to two years in duration

That's not long term. We need decades of observation. Not a few short years.

And like so many, don't take this as "STOP GMO NOW!" talk. It's not. I'm all for GMOs. But if it is shown that any GMO product increases risk of any heath issue, it should be noted!

>>727924205
I would ask a retard. In the mean time, your babies need they poison noms fathermother of the year.

>>727923075
>implying you have any control on anything.

>>727924313
Or maybe, JUUUUUST maybe. GMO crops are feeding the third world.
At a profit to megacorps....

>>727924215
>injected them with some fucking poison plant genes and fucked up
>injected
do you really think that's how it works?

>>727924267
Fearmongering, n.: the action of deliberately arousing public fear or alarm about a particular issue. Fits what you are doing.

Organics: I don't give a flying fuck, and has nothing to do with GMOs, you raging faggot.

>>727924408
Thread is labelled discussion for a reason

>>727924344
Obviously youre a fucking retard who didnt bother to read two words into my fucking sentence and/or didnt read the OP
>discuss why gmos are good or bad
>Discussing why GMOs arent bad
Fucking kill yourself

>>727923231
Go bother yourself to investigate lazy American there are mountains. Skip the fat-nap.

science music plug

intelligent discussion only

https://plug.dj/fucktard

>>727924408
What the average lifespan of a rat again?

>>727922786
>a dumb troll appears, called me a dumb troll
Wew lad. Im shakin

They're good. They serve no side effects and solve hunger crisis.

>>727924635
No, im obviouly giving an expression.

>>727924818
24 months,or 2 years

>>727922683
>Were on the same side, FUCK YOU M8
well alrighty good point.a

>>727924847
you better be shit stain

>>727924678
Organics = natural
Mongering implies intent to spread.
I'm just voicing my opinions and concerns. If it instills fear in you, that's either because there is merit to my statement, or you're a fool.
I'll leave it up to you.

>>727924716
Yup. And I love me some discussion!

>>727924818
Human studies are more valid than rodent studies, for one.
I realize that they did 12 generational studies as well. Which were no doubt the "up to 2 years" ones.

My argument is still valid. We should get a good sample size of people who eat only organics, and only GMO. And do a life long study. Get the real answers to the questions.
That's the natural progression of these things isn't it?

If it's fine in animals, onto humans? Even though there is a SLIGHT difference in the two groups with the rodents. Just within the margin of error/acceptability. Which isn't much to note. But in a long term human study, might yield a different result.

>>727924940
Good thing a shepherd feeds you all these products too huh you fucking SHEEP!

>>727924940
/thread

>>727915053
If you think GMO's are bad you are wrong and either don't understand what they are or refuse to acknowledge what they are and why we need them, no two ways about it.

>>727924847
What happens to DNA and protein when you heat them?
What do you do when let's say you want to cook some corn on the cob?
Learnsomebasicbiochemistrythenspeak

Gmos are like fire. You can use it to hurt people or help them. The conversation shouldnt be if they are bad it should be if we need to regulate them.

are you guys fucking stupid? GMO's are specifically modified to be safe and edible. if they weren't safe to consume, the FDA would have banned the sale of them immidiately. any faggot that says they're GMO-free just means that they have no fucking clue what they're talking about. literally any fruit you will buy in a grocery store will most likely be genetically modified. modifying them makes the food cheaper to grow, tastier, and frankly, healthier.

if you are to state that you are gmo-free, you are automatically a fucking moron as they have no negative effect on the human body.

>>727915053
so, there is statistically zero evidence (same as organic as standard) that gmo's are dangerous. scientists have developed plants that require half the water to grow, are naturally insect resistant and contain vitamins not normally found in a given type of fruit/veggie, such as corn growing beta keratin that is stable enough to grow in the sahara with minimal water needed.

>>727925079
Why not use Chimps for testing though? that's my question. out of all the creatures in the animal kingdom, DNA wise they are a close second

>>727924717
Your only response was 'your fucking stupid.' After i told you exactly how GMO seeds are made through analogy. So, you feel free to kill YOURself as you cant even contribute to the argument you started you literal retard, you simple basic bitch. GMOs are bad period as they give rise to brain dead fucks like yourself who argue with thin air.

>>727925429
Actually so are pigs. I think we should use pigs.
oh wait. We do.
just not with GMO studies
>cuz lobbyists.

>>727925429
Ethical reasons would be my guess. Because they are so much like us, people tend to get upset when you use them for experimentation.
Same applies to dogs.

But that's just another step along the way. We'd have to do human studies eventually to find the long term effects.

>>727925079
> Organics = natural
Lol, no.

> Mongering implies intent to spread.
Which is what you are doing when you spout your uninformed opinions without taking the time to learn about the subject topic.

> If it instills fear in you, that's either because there is merit to my statement, or you're a fool.
Nice ad hominem. Is this how you discuss things, fag?

>>727925296
OP here ,yeah i used the terms "good" or "bad" poorly here, my bad my dude

>>727925373
Retard detected.
have fun in New Mexico sub human.

>>727925624
Nice putdowns.
Do you have any actual arguments? Or all you going to do is try and shut me down?

>>727925724
Don't go for the red herring you tard

>>727925250
Depends on the hundreds and thousands of chemical substances that are found in foods.
>How does cell microbiology work?
I might as well be answering that since i dont have the tools to figure it out for us you fool.

>>727925868
Don't worry, I'm not going to continue trying to argue with the brick wall.
No need to call me a tard.

>>727922913
G0v shill detected

>>727925079
>argument is still valid. We should get a good sample size of people who eat only organics, and only GMO. And do a life long study. Get the real answers to the questions.
That's the natural progression of these things isn't it?
yea I kind of agree but to get a group of humans to only eat one or the other that are similar enough to each other for ten years would be nearly impossible

>>727925250
I dunno what happens since your so God damn smart mister troll?
>implying that cooking poisonous foods makes them less poisonous

>>727925707
Downie tard detected. Have fun in the rape van.

>>727925624
Monsanto shill detected.

>>727926007
They become denatured, useless

>>727917315
You'e thinking of GEO. Genetically engineered organisms and genetically modified organisms are not the same thing.

>>727926289
There are plenty of people who religiously eat organic. So that's not hard.
Convincing some shmuck to avoid organics and eat a GMO heavy diet? Shouldn't be too hard. There's always financial compensation for these things.
Ultimately, all you gotta do is find people who are generally healthy, fairly young, and get them to agree to a doctor visit every once in a while, along with recording what they eat and when.
That's it.

The only reason there is GMO is to have them resistant to Glyphosate, the main ingredient in Roundup, which is owned by Monsanto along with the patents on the GM seed. The GM products that they say will save the planet is bullshit. Draught resistant corn failed miserably. They are now finding the benefits of golden rice are not anywhere where they thiught itnwould be. The GM wheat they came up with failed and in turn contaminated the organic wheat that was to be shipped overseas destroying the enire shipment.
Now the world health organization has stated the glyphosate is a carcinogen. Itnis found in all wine in the US, it is in the watertable, the air we breathe,
in our blood, in mothers bresst milk. It is also creating superweeds so now Monsanto says we shijld just increase the strenngth of the amount of glyphosate used. The way GM is usedd today is only to make profit. Not help human kind in any way at all. It has also been found to disrupt the fertility af animals. Not to mention the gut issues these animals have and now humans are experiencing.
GM is done in a lab injecting foreign dna.
The idiots that say we have been doing this for thousands of years are fucktards. Cross polination and grafting are completely different.
So GM as it is used today does not increase yield, harms the environment, and increases cancer risk in humans. Now Monsanto and Bayer want to merge cornering the market even more. Two of the most evil companies on the planet. That is fucked up.

>>727926063
Because I'm an actual scientist I must be a shill, fuck off

>>727926491
Explain the difference please.

>>727925250
What a broad and unanswerable question lol

>>727924940
Nice b8 Monsanto shill
kys

>>727915053
I'm vegan and i have no idea how to feel about this

>>727925191
<del>/thread</del>
GMOs are shit just like you and your stupid family.

>>727926291
>implying it's poisonous
Also, What one reason you cook meat? to kill potential pathogens? Hmmmm, weird

>>727915053
Wheat has been genetically modified. corn, bananas apples potatoes. The list goes on and on

>>727926910
/THREAD

>>727915053
Not bad at all. Whoever doesn't agree, doesn't understand the subject. It'll stop us from dying out, we need them to progress as a species.

>>727926621
actually it's a single word answer, denatured

>>727926927
Heating of vegetable oils leads to trans fats. How is it hard to believe that heating some GMO product won't have a similiar (in concept at least) effect.

Where as bacterium/parasites are separate from the animal for which your meat comes from. Perfectly natural mind you! But not a part of the animal's DNA.

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>>727922745
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>>727922363

is proof that gmos cause autism

>>727915053
there is absolutely no evidence that artificially genetically modified food is bad in any way shape or form. it doesn't even make sense that it would be either, we have been slowly modifying them for as long as agriculture has existed. as long as appropriate levels of research is done to ensure there isn't going to be negative effects on the ecosystems that these artificially modified vegetables and fruits are introduced into, there is nothing wrong with them at all.

>>727915053
They aren't "bad", maybe have less vitamins, or possibly taste worse in your opinion, but it could go both ways depending on the food.

I really don't understand what the whole "GMO" hype has been all about. GMO just means it was genetically modified. How is that harmful?

>>727917069
Agree Monsanto is a cock sucker for sure, they will sue you broke.

The cross use of animal genes and plant genes scare the fuck out of me. Nature has never done this.

>>727922913
>>727926571
Prove your a scientist you basic bitch
>protip even if you do, scientists dont know shit, research groups with a consensus do, and all those pretty much beat out your stupid fucking opinion.

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>>727927199
Stfu and research retard.

>>727927139
Proof that same fags dont recognize other samefaggers.

>>727927181
Accidental introduction is a thing.

Fish tank seaweed has completely taken over the Mediterranean. Got there because someone flushed their fish tank shit down the toilet with the fish. Seeds got into the sea. BOOM! Takes over. Nothing to control it's spread either.

>>727915053
Fake image. Left tomato is a fresh tomato and the right tomato is an old tomato. Look at pictures of homegrown fresh tomatoes and pictures of store bought tomatoes, the comparison is uncannily similar. Store bought tomatoes have to travel and sit on the shelves for days which is why they look the way they do and has nothing to do with GMOs.

>>727927105
Not an answer, you lose.

>>727917428
Its called vertical integration. The company owns agriculture because very many agricultural products are used in medicine. But you would rather believe in a conspiracy theory than look at it logically.

>>727926510
But the people have to b same age, sex, physical fitness, etc. then you got to track them and their diets for ten years. It has more variables to deal with then rats and would be a headache to pull off plus more costly. Esp when rats show no neg side effects

>>727926927
Wow i cant even breathe that argument was so poor.
that actually made me kek thank you faggot.

>>727927078
Bullshit. There is absolutely no benefit from the use of GM products except people getting richer.

Control the food supply you control the people.

>>727917428
>spray pesticides
GMO's don't need pesticides. Do some research while you eat your chemical covered fruits and veggies.

>>727927342
>projecting cuz muh autism hurts.

>>727927437
sure, but potentially invasive species being accidentally introduced into an ecosystem that isn't equipped to handle it isn't a GMO issue, that's a stupid / careless human issue. you cant really fault the genetic modification for that.

>>727927286
How would I prove to you I'm a scientist?

>>727927688
They showed no NOTABLE side effects that can't be explained by "margin of error". It's within tolerance, but enough so that it merited mention.

And if the sample size is large enough, all random human factors will be accounted for. I'm not talking a few hundred people. I'm talking THOUSANDS across all walks of life.

>>727927606
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>>727927818
Careless humans will be careless with GMOs too, friend.
Monsanto already has issues containing their GMO seeds.
So long as the wind blows, GMO crops will be a concern for the ecosystem.

Which is why we need a shit tonne of oversight into the issue.

>>727927642
Needs more of this
/thread bois

>>727927622
Yes it is and the fact you you think it's not proves you know nothing about biochemistry

>>727927765
Oh muh God someone really can be that stupid.
Monsanto makes crops that are made SOLEY to tolerate pesticides and herbicides twat.

>>727927828
Do some science of course faggot.

>>727927706
Nice argument it's like you know I'm right but are too butthurt to admit it

>>727928116
Specifically Round Up. Because Monsanto owns that too.

>>727927851
Any scientist knows this is pure bullshit.

>>727928018
I am a master Biochemist, you do not know shit sonny.

>>727927851
Thousands would be even harder to pull off. Have you ever done scientific research?

>>727915053
Most food we eat is GMO.. and GMO has existed for literally 10's of thousands of years.
Banana's are GMO of some horrible plantaine type thing. Corn is a GMO of some terrible little wheat-like crop. Pretty much every veggie is a GMO of mustard hardly nutritious mustard plant.

This shit was made using splicing and breeding.. which was time consuming (taking centuries) and often wielded unfavorable and unstable results that could be harmful for consumption.

Microscopic genetic engineering by directly editing DNA through modern methods is what most people think of "GMO", but ultimately it is safer, cheaper, and can wield better results than the traditional methods used by humans for 10,000 years.

GMOs get a bad rep for 2 reasons.
1) Copyright: Apparently it's a thing to copyright DNA.. and when that DNA is part of a breedable organism, it causes the offspring to also fall under that copyright.. as messed up as that is. This is a legal problem but has caused a lot of farmers serious grief and pushed the industrilization of foods so far that farmers become tools and in some cases indentured servants instead of independent business owners.
2) Since modern technology makes it so if you have enough money, you can do ANYTHING to a food, companies often have the GMOs tweaked in ways to maximize their profitability, which sometimes means taking out things that make them good.
For example.. it is perfectlly possible to genetically modify corn to make it even more nutritious and healthy than regular corn when consumed raw. However, companies choose to remove those good parts and boost the starch and calorie content to make them more suitible as a raw material in food engineering and even non-food uses. It's cheaper to make one type of corn that is good for everything than to have 5 types of corn, one which is healthy, and one that makes good E-85.

>>727928378
I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying it's necessary.
Just because it's hard, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

>>727927950
>Which is why we need a shit tonne of oversight into the issue.
I agree with this, which is why i am in favour of extensive research to ensure that new modifications made to vegetables and fruits are not going to have significant impacts on microbes and small arthropods and the such. I think the biggest and most pressing issue here is that these modifications are patented by large corporations and are kept under tight wraps, when they should be made freely available for other scientists to do testing on them.

>>727928194
Right about what lmao you didnt even make a point to speak of you downie faggot.