One Million dollars says you can't prove god didn't

>>727623264
I agree. Brahma's glory is undeniable.

>>727623362
Do you know the definition of glory?

>>727623264

Physics on the sub-atomic scale, human scale, and macroscopic scale all operate under different laws of physics. That image is a combination of FAKE artist's depictions and false equivalency.

Also the burden of proof is on the one making claims. I don't claim there isn't a god, but you assume there is, so it's your responsibility to prove that.

So you can keep your million dollars, but if the tides were turned, so would I keep mine.

>>727623264
One quadrillion dollars says you cant prove god did create everything.

Inb5
>muh I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT, THEREFORE GOD DID IT

>>727623264
you don't have a million dollars because you think god created everything

Someone/thing had to create god...

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>>727623264
I created this cutter. How do I collect?

>>727623711
That burden of proof concept was created by humans. I don't have to prove something, for something to be true buddy boy. You ain't gonna out wit my ass.

If you aren't up for a challenge don't take my offer.

NEXT.....

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>>727624194
This one as well

>>727624092
That's not true lol

>>727623264

I wrote this sentence, please mail my money to ISIS

>>727623862
You cant create or destroy energy. Someone obviously created it and you cannot create something from nothing... depending on your definition of nothing. and I don't count anti matter and quarks.

If you aren't up to the challenge then step aside laddy.

>>727623264
Which god?

>>727624279
Nice one m8

What don't you niggers get about God literally being everything

>>727624092
You are on the right track there. Something had to create the beginning or at least the medium for it to exist. aka creationism.

god is just a general term for the creator. not specifically jesus Christ bullshit. That bible shit is all just mans supposed interpretation of gods words. Man is inherently a sinner.. so its all bullshit.

But god did create everything. its a fucking fact.

>>727623264
allah akbar indeed my friend.

>>727624194
>>727624284

Did you create everything? Even so.. the one million was to prove god doesn't exist.. you kind of cut yourself out of the running there dumbfuck,

>>727624284
God created everything. You and what you create are causality.

>>727624586
>fucking fact
its b8 boys. move on

>>727624408
The creator of everything. I aint talking about no religious human mumbo jumbo

>>727624859
I take if you haven't seen the awesomeness of science. If you really follow science.. then you would know that we know that what we don't know is fucking insane.

>>727625091
>autistic screeching
Very good meme

>>727623264
>some shit looks like other shit
>God
>???
>Profit

>>727624606
I don't speak French and I never said he was great.

>>727623264
Two Million dollars says you can't explain what God is.

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The collective wealth of the universe says you can't prove God.

>>727625310
God is the creator of everything.

Do you want my paypal address?

God cant create a rock he cant lift, and if he can then he no longer can lift a rock so he wont be almighty

>>727623264
You're asking for disproving something, ergo you are a faggot and need to fagget the fuck out

>>727625483
God created quarks and antimatter which gave birth to matter and energy. Energy can come from NOWHERE in a vacuum.. but it is borrowed and must be paid back.

That's real science shit.. I keep telling you guys. look it up. I'm not your personal google.

>>727623264
This image doesn't prove that god exists. Putting aside the fact that these aren't actual images of the fucking entire universe, this just compares the universe with humans. The obvious argument linking this to god would be that humans were made in the likeness of god, but this is attempting to prove god's existence under the assumption that he does exist.

>>727625518
It's a challenge that fits the reward don't you think? so STFU and GTFU

>>727624279
If we take out the burden of proof concept we also take out your very human challenge. You end up with your point simply being irrelevant, you don't matter.

>>727625483
Wrong

God can create a rock he couldn't lift not only can he do that but he can also modify his strength to be able to lift said rock.

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>>727625476
Can you elaborate a little more?

How do I know when I'm looking at God? When people say they speak for him, how do I know which ones are lying? What is God exactly? Is it particles? Radiation? Waves? Just elaborate a little more, I'm starting to think God is merely a construct of the human mind due to inclusive evidence

And don't tell me "everything" is evidence of God's existence. That explains nothing. I'm not 6 years old. Tell me the truth.

>>727625734
Everything is God

>>727625718
well he obviously doesn't matter as he is incapable of coherent rational thought

If there is a god, all he has ever done is start everything.

He does nothing and doesn't care about shit.

>>727625734
for two more million ill explain everything. but you must first pay the first 2 million. I'm not stupid.

Your talking about waves and radiation? So you are talking about photons? do you know what the fuck you are talking about? god created everything.

>>727625855
You don't understand anything about God, do you?

>>727625954
I bet you've never even been to church.

>>727623264
>one million dollars says you can't prove unicorns didn't shit on my lawn

>one million dollars says you can't prove that op isn't an leprechaun

>one million dollars says you can't prove that trump isn't a robot being controlled by children

>>727624392
You obviously didn't go to school. When the "Big Bang" happened all of the universes' energy was compressed into that small atom sized particle that exploded. get a fucking education

>>727625965
I'm referring to Einsteins view of God but if you know something he doesn't please enlighten me.

>>727626091
big bang was god exploding

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>>727624392
>>727624279

>>727623264
Another million says that you can't prove to us god did create it

>>727626020
I have actually, although my most recent visits were for funerals.

Keep in mind the idea of God as a word for Creator "whatever" it may be has nothing to do with organized religion based on humans. We aren't the center of the universe. We're causality. If it can happen.. it DID happen.

>>727626100
You haven't answered my questions here: >>727625734

>>727624092
HUMANS CREATED GOD IN THEIR OWN IMAGE. thats why we assume thats what this fictional character looks like. not the other way round

>>727626159
What a roundabout way to say you don't know a damn thing.

>>727623264
And fyi the images in tvere are not those colors besides the eye maybe bit the rest is just shopped photos

>>727626176
I didn't write that, wrong anon

>>727626063
I humbly decline your challenge.

>>727624738
the million dollars was "prove god didn't create EVERYTHING", not "god isn't real"
Let's asume God creates everything, and that this ammounts to 99 things because his a lazy God
Then, one of the humans creates one thing

Thus, out of the everything, God created 99% of things, not 100% as was your claim.

Pay to that anon, ye faggot

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>>727623264
Probably a troll but it's an unfalsifiable hypothesis, you can't prove a negative. While I think dismissing god is arrogant when you can't 100% prove/disprove it (I dislike militant atheists, they give us a bad name), all I can say is that judging from the universe as we know it there are no signs that point to creationism. The image you posted isn't some magical pattern that proves god, it's just how things flow by taking the path of least resistance.

>>727623264
god says you cant prove you have a million dollars, come at me son

>>727626091
Oh you heard of the big bang huh? you must have went to college. Do you know much about space? or theories of other dimensions and antimatter. Space is not empty. literally.. empty space.. is not empty.. look it up. God created everything... even before big old big bang benny.

I know a lot about science.. if you want to brain battle me lets do it. Give me some fucking science bro.

>>727623264
thats because you cant prove a negatice

>One Million dollars says you can't prove an invisible pink unicorn didn't create everything.

>>727626301
PS: the burden of proof falls on the person making the claim, don't ask us to disprove it, you should prove it by submitting evidence to back you claim.

>>727626240
You know how many times the bible has been rewritten and translated? I don't read science fiction.. sorry. Call it what it is.

>>727623264
The burden of proof is of the accuser you cuck tard

>>727626273
God created you. you do things you brain tells you to do which is affected by your senses and experiences. so anything you do is a by product of creation.

>>727626538
I didn't come out here to prove anything nor to start and argument. I simply made an offer and people are fucking idiots trying to argue a point they cant win.

I definitely cannot prove god didn't create everything.. that's why I'm paying someone else to do it.

>>727626301
>you can't prove a negative
oh really? i can prove, that humans don't consist of arsenic. i can prove, that electrons are not positively charged.
the opposite is the case. you can't prove a theory about something, but you can prove a theory wrong

>>727626663
I cant prove god doesn't exist.. that's why I'm offering the money so someone else can.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND ENGLISH?

>>727626437
>>727626437
you two are both idiots who dont even fully understand the big bang, because if you did you would be discussing like a fucking creation theory

>>727624392
philosophically that is actually a flawed assumption, we have no empirical data to support wether or not energu can be created/destroy and even if we did it is still a moot point

did you know singularities break down physics? just inside the singularity of a black whole many laws of physics change, though we still dont see any matter creation (it may be possible, see as the new matter also wouldnt be able to escape, but then wed also see less of black holes "evaporating" unless ofc they simply cant create new matter fast enough) . SIngularity theory talks of BEFORE the big bang when the entire universe was the space less than an atom, there would litterally be no physical laws, and without a universe there are no physics saying that matter cant be spontaneously created

also your argument is an oversimplification of an already simple argment known as "kalams cosmological argument for the existence of god" to which i ask you see this video wich explains how causality isnt applicaple to universal creation and a god wich "exists" cannot cause a universe to "exist"
One Million dollars says you can't prove god didn't create everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD9MtIma5YU

>>727626916
We cant go outside of our universe.. do you follow science? We cant even look outside of it..EVER.

So your comparison to analyzing a human body and what we are made of because you can look, touch and test it. We cannot do the other..

watch some science shit.

>>727626680
byproduct =/= product, i eat foor and then take a shit does that mean the food company made shit?

just fucking pay the anon

>>727627025
you and I haven't started a discussion on what the big bang theory is and you claim I know nothing?

I think you and I are not going to be able to communicate properly. You are officially booted out of the 1 million dollar challenge.

>>727626916
those are all positive claims though you dense motherfucker

>>727627202
"he hasnt talked to me so he must not know how much i know" no but i could see you talking to someone else (i watch the feb 2012 debate, i dont need to talk to ken ham to know hes a fucking lunatic), but ok you got me

what the fuck do you know about big bang theory?

>>727627114
i read it 4 fucking times and still don't get it. what do you want to tell me?
i said: you CAN prove a negative. actually it's the only thing you can prove. you cannot prove a theory right, because of problem of induction. you can however prove a theory wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

fuck, you guys are stupid

>>727627237
er...no

>>727627138
No you turned the food they made into shit. Its pretty simple.

Everything in existence.. came from nature even if man engineered it into some other element. the atoms that make up everything are all the same. God created that.everything that is ever to come of matter and energy.

>>727623264
I'm not gonna bother.
Because no christfag is down to earth enough to have a million dollars.

>>727627385
At first there was nothing... and then it exploded. Everything in space right now was packed to to the size of one atom.

How much more you want to know? you want to know how fast it expanded at first? Want to know how fast its going now? .. ill give you a hint.. its expanding faster than it was in the beginning.

anyways... i thought you were voted off the island?

>>727627678
>Everything in space right now was packed to to the size of one atom.
shut up idiot.

>>727626916
When it's an unfalsifiable hypothesis you can't prove a negative because people keep moving the goalpost around. If somebody says theres a unicorn in the room but it's invisible and intangible. you can't prove them wrong because the standards for proof change. "we can't see god or hear him etc" you can't get objective proof for that claim

>>727627764
google it.

I love science bro

>>727626437
How do you go from QED vacuum fluctuations to God existing and creating everything? I don't follow you here.

>>727627445
you dont know what positive and negative claims are do you

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>>727623264
You also can't disprove that we're just an organism living inside a giant brain.

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>>727626779
Then why the fuck are you here, if you don't have objective proof of a claim and you even admit you don't why make the fucking claim?

>>727627837
Because the big bang wasn't the beginning of everything.. it was the beginning of our universe. QED vacuum flux was mentioned because it was around before big bang. He was implying its the beginning and somehow invalidates god.

Sometimes i don't type things clearly.

>>727627678
well i stand corrected. i thought you had a flawed, incomplete understand....but now i know you know nothing

big bang isnt a "creation" theory it is a "farmation" theory, everything that "exploded" (term is used loosely it wasn't an actual explosion it was just energy expanding faster than the speed of light) existed BEFORE the big bang in a singularity, how THAT got there? we dont know and we dont pretend to know, we've yet to be able to observe current singularities in black holes theres no way we can measure the universal singularity that existed 14.5 billion years ago

>>727627956
I'm here to make an offer of one million dollars for a pretty hard challenge. Why did you skip the OP not read it?

>>727627799
>When it's an unfalsifiable hypothesis you can't prove a negative because people keep moving the goalpost around.
what a load of bullshit. when people do that, it's because of unclarity of concepts. if you're terms are well defined, you can't change whatever you want.
>If somebody says theres a unicorn in the room but it's invisible and intangible
that is not the same as to say: "you can't prove a negative." read the wikipedia article for fucks sake. to prove a theory wrong is the only thing science can do and we assume those concepts, that are not proven wrong. it's induction.
>you can't prove them wrong because the standards for proof change.
what? what fucking standards for proof?

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>>727624392
>you can't create energy
>someone obviously created it

>>727626942
Are you that retarded ? I cant disprove that fucking 5 underage virgins cures my HIV does that mean its true until someone proves me wrong/right?

No you fuck face its false until i myself prove its right. Unless religious people start proving their mythologies. they are not true.

>Assume god created everything
>Obviously this means god exists
>Therefore "everything" includes god
>God created himself

forward my money to buzzfeed

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>>727623264
One million dollars says you can't prove that this is a computer simulation of a universe.
See OP, I can make unfalsifiable claims too!

>>727628064
I didn't say the big bang was the beginning. you did. our universe is small fucking potatoes to the awesomeness of what we don't know.

>>727626091
>When the "Big Bang" happened
>When
>Happened
Top kek

>>727628064
You keep going on a detailed rant railing away from the points i make. funny.

>>727627805
>I love science bro
no, you don't.

“The region destined to become our present universe was once about the size of a marble,”

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/02/sizing-up-the-big-bang/

>>727627853
oh well, then explain it to me please.

>>727627764
All of the theory is extrapolation, we see the universe today and we see that the galaxies are moving away from each other, so they made a projection that they must have been at one singularity at some point. Funnily enough most scientists don't claim to know the absolute truth 100% they admit that it's a best guess as to what happened judging by the universe today, but religions do claim to be 100% right about how all this shit happened

>>727628249
>At first there was nothing... and then it exploded.
>I didn't say the big bang was the beginning

pick one

>>727628148
Exactly...

>>727623264
Read up on fractals faggot

>>727623264
If god is a part of everything, god created god? MAKES SENSE. proofd.

>>727628190
If you cant do the challenge step aside son.. not need to get all offended because you have aids.

>>727624279
Wow, horrible argumentation

>>727628344
i was answering to the idiot who claimed, that all matter was packed into the size of an atom. big bang theory doesn't claim that

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>>727628108
You mean a challenge that you know is impossible because it's an unfalsifiable hypothesis and you admit you have no proof to back up your claim

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>>727626916
Humans actually do contain trace amounts of arsenic absorbed through diet. Also the charges on an electron are arbritary, engineering diagrams show the charges moving through a circuit as positive, as long as the protons are of the opposite charge in reference to the electrons, it doesn't matter.

>>727628230
Everything is literal but not that literal.

Assume you are at a party and you are drunk and you piss all over EVERYTHING. Does mean you pissed in china too?

>>727628239
you never made a claim. you made a bet/offer.

I humbly decline your offer. i cant do it.

>>727628148

uberzoz

>>727628616
>Everything means Everything when I want it to, but it doesn't in this case!

Hes right, you are wrong.

>>727628522
It would be ignorant to claim someday it cannot be proved or disproven.

>>727628479
I'm stoned.. sorry I'm off by the size of a fucking marble.


Anyways, if you aren't up for the challenge stop spamming this thread newfag

>>727628132
God's properties are nebulous at best, we can only perceive the world with out five senses, you can just say he exists but cannot be sensed and nobody could prove or disprove that claim because the senses we have are limited and there's no way to tell if it's true or not

>>727628772
You guys must be trolling my ass hard.

Saying god created everything itself implies he did not create himself.

>>727628582
>Humans actually do contain trace amounts of arsenic absorbed through diet.
that only makes a theory more differentiated. the claim, that the human body is not made of arsenic is still right.

>>727628966
Is god a part of everything, LITERALLY? if he is, then he must have created himself. if he isnt, then guess what, THEN YOUR GOD IS NOTHING.

>>727625725
Then the rock isn't too heavy for him in the first place

>>727629071
God is not part of everything. When i say everything.. i mean everything we know of.. and some others we don't that he created. I don't mean god created himself and i never implied that.

>>727628919
>you can just say he exists but cannot be sensed and nobody could prove or disprove that claim
thats a problem that lies in the world itself. you just can't say, where everything comes from.

>>727629133
Just an FYI.. This dude.>>727625725 Is not OP .lol he is a dodo.

>>727628810
In my first post I said that dismissing the concept entirely (Gnostic Atheist) Is arrogant because you cant prove or disprove it. I'm and agnostic atheist and to me, the properties in the universe don't point to a god, but I don't dismiss it off handedly. That's for the neckbeard fedora wearing militant atheist that give other atheists a bad name

>>727626437
>space is not empty
Between particles everything is empty.

>>727629170
So...god is nothing then? because everything is a part of everything. Even god. So either your god is a part of everything, or your god is nothing, since to be a thing, you must be a part of everything. thats the literal defiintion, every, thing. Your god either created himself, or your god doesn't exist. Logicd.

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One Million dollars says you can't prove Flying Spaghetti Monster didn't create everything.

>>727629268
I think you are just agnostic. Atheists are piece of shit anti Christs.. don't be like them.

>>727629288
I'm not claiming what god is. I'm not looking to debate something i don't know.

So you aren't up for the challenge? step aside.

>>727629357
He could be god.. no one knows exactly what it is. Pretty sure if that or we wouldn't have bloody wars over it. right>?

>>727629492
What challenge? You can't counter the argument, thus you have failed. Also, dubs logic is irrefutable. Singles pleb.

>>727629357
yes i can. spaghetti was invented in the 5th century. there was no pastry before the bigbang, so there was no spaghetti monster

>>727629547
I would fight for the glory of the Flying Spaghetti Monster no infidel would be left standing

The nuclear bomb
We created energy from matter. That energy was not God's construct even if he made the matter itself.

>>727629577
how do you know there aren't other dimensions where spaghetti hasn't existed long before?

>>727629679
Matter = energy you dumb fuck.

e=mc2

>>727629681
you wrote:
>Flying Spaghetti Monster didn't create everything.
if it created everything, there were no other dimensions where pastry could exist

>>727629681
and matter is made up of energy... hence the big bang theory.

>>727629782
Logic is flawed it assumes that all things had to be created at the same moment in time. Spaghetti monster could have created all dimensions at different periods of time, as an Omnipotent being and Omnipresent being could exist in all moments and places throughout all of time.

>>727629577
god was invented when jesus was found. there was no god before jesus, so there is no god

>>727629857
spaghetti monster is just a name for a God right? its a name we made up.. Spaghetti monster didn't give himself that name.

>>727629722
Matter does not equal energy. You literally wrote the formula and still fucked it up.
E=mc^2
It used to be matter, m, and it can be converted to energy in a ratio of c^2. They are different fundamental things. Therefore, if one thing loses all properties and another thing with different properties emerges, it is a creation.

>>727627989
Nobody knows what was before the Big Bang. Hell, there is no agreement among the scientists about how the Big Bang itself worked. Nothing was then and there to tell the tale. Noone will ever know it for certain. But it doesn't mean that some aware and intelligent force stood behind it. In nature we observe this general rule: more complex things arise from simpler ones, down to singular particles and their interactions. So the claim that behind the creation of the simplest of our reality's constituents stood something as complex as aware intelligence is against all our previous observations.

>>727629910
>god was invented when jesus was found
say what?

>>727623264
20 million says you can't prove he did

>>727629997
If no one knows then why are you trying to argue with me over it? lol

>>727630058
what created god lol

>>727629880
>Logic is flawed
if so, you cannot claim ANYTHING or EVERYTHING.
>Spaghetti monster could have created all dimensions at different periods of time
no. it would have to creat itself. but yeah, if you say, logic is flawed, then sure, everything is right and wrong at the same time. thats a good basic for a discussion, whether a spaghettimonster created the universe.

>>727630056
Just look around you.

My 20 million please.

>>727630181
well, that question leads to an even more supernatural/spiritual answer

>>727630219
oh look, you aren't smart enough to grasp the concept that time and existence isn't linear. this must be embarrassing for you, if you can even comprehend your own ignorance.

I learned in chemistry that the big bang was impossible given the molar mass.

>>727629988
Humans simply converted the matter to energy. They didn't create the matter. Whats the difference between building a fence or building a bomb? we still are using the same particles and energy.

you are arguing with yourself b/ro

>>727623264
one million dollars says you can't prove god created everything.

>>727630312
>grasp the concept that time and existence isn't linear.
you cannot either gasbag. and your statement doesn't make sense, because logic is flawed as you claim

>>727630219
I never said universe.. I said everything.

>>727624092
This paradox is solved long ago by religious philosophers but edgy atheist teens do not even bother to read about it.

It is currently belived that God was created by some Supergod which is capabale create ordinary gods like Jesus or Odin (but not greek gods - they are not real accodring to lastest research)

>>727630405
"universe" literally means "everything" douchebag

>>727630435
Jesus isn't real and we are all gods children.. per say.. but so are dinosaurs and everything. The notion god made a human his special child is silly.

>>727630334
Well then you just have a different definition of creation than me. I would consider conversion destruction of the original and creation of the new. I used the atom bomb as an example because it is the most pronounced instance of this. Regardless, since neother of us will concede anything and you obviously don't have millions of dollars laying around I'm going to peace out.

>>727630435
>This paradox is solved long ago by religious philosophers but edgy atheist teens do not even bother to read about it.
so, where's the philosophers solution?
>Supergod which is capabale create ordinary gods like Jesus or Odin
oh, i see

>>727630401
no my logic is fine, and I clearly grasp the concept quite well.

Spaghetti monster in later period of time in Alternate Dimension, could have created itself in an earlier period of time in an Alternate Dimension. Is that really so hard to grasp? Retroactive Omnipotence.

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ITT: retards being retarded

Fucking simpletons still believing in magical story books. Don't even bother reasoning with them. Their mind is already made up.

>>727630467
um... no the universe is not everything.. LAWL.

>>727623264
You only ever prove that something did happen. The burden isn't on anyone to prove that a wizard didn't create the universe, it's on the person saying it did to show evidence to support it. Facts. If you can't back up your claim reasonably then your wrong until you can.

>>727630435
Oh boy oh boy, there's a lot to be trimmed by Occam's Razor in this theory...

>>727629430
Gnostic means you believe it 100% Agnostic has room for doubt, it's a separate part of the noun there are Gnostic theists, agnostic theists, Gnostic atheists, and agnostic atheists

>>727630603
>Deductive reasoning
Either way just abandon thread

>>727630546
>no my logic is fine
you just claimed, that logic itself is flawed
>created itself in an earlier period of time in an Alternate Dimension
>earlier
>you aren't smart enough to grasp the concept that time and existence isn't linear.
>and I clearly grasp the concept quite well.
>clearly
>earlier
but yeah, if logic is flawed, then you are right. and wrong.

>>727630741
Holy shit nigger are you really this dense? Not the entirety of logic, the logic that was used in that particular moment is flawed.

>>727630656
Captain here. Abandon Ship!

>>727630058
Don't try to look smary by ignoring the rest od my post. There is no need for more complex being in the story of creation, since things tendencje to arise from simpler ones.

>>727630543
it's flawless explanation. And when someone asks who create Supergod you can always say that he was created by Hypergod and Hypergod created by Megagod and so on. No one can debate this

>>727630573
>no the universe is not everything.
yes, the word means exactly that.
http://www.definitions.net/definition/universe

>>727630920
What does Omniverse mean then?

>>727630822
>Not the entirety of logic, the logic that was used in that particular moment is flawed.
what does that even mean?
logic is sometimes flawed? that would mean, logic itself is flawed.

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I'm gonna just leave this here

>>727631017
nigger you aren't even trying anymore.

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>>727623264
and one million dollars that you can't prove god created everything

>>727630899
So you think at the end of the universe that's it? Nothing more? not other universes or things we don't know how to describe?

Something had to create everything.. what ever everything is. ITs plain and simple. I don't know if its a "being" of some sorts. that something is god.

>>727624392
A god can't be created from nothing....

>>727624092
cosmological argument
noun PHILOSOPHY
an argument for the existence of God which claims that all things in nature depend on something else for their existence (i.e. are contingent), and that the whole cosmos must therefore itself depend on a being which exists independently or necessarily.

Infinite regression is a logical impossibility.

>>727630920
That still makes me right dumb ass. God did create the universe.. he also created everything else.. hence why i say everything. Its ok you and i have different understandings of science.

>>727630918
what fucking greek philosopher said this?
>And when someone asks who create Supergod you can always say that he was created by Hypergod and Hypergod created by Megagod and so on. No one can debate this
there is however a greek philosopher called aristotle, who showed, that an infinite regress is not a sufficient foundation for a claim

>>727631125
are you a fucking parrot?

>>727631078
if logic is SOMETIMES wrong, you cannot say, when it is right, idiot

>>727631231
Damn, i think we have a winner.

>>727631302
You aren't even trying to hide how hard you are trolling.Idiot.

>>727631251
>Its ok you and i have different understandings of science.
no, you just left science by saying:
>God did create the universe.. he also created everything else
because that would make god something, that is NOT something at the same time. that doesn't make sense. if god is something, you must mean god too by saying "everything that exists", or he doesn't exist

>>727631287
are you a fucking a parrot?

>>727631501
second post with no argument. so, you are wrong.
if logic is sometimes flawed and sometimes isn't, then it makes logic random. therefore it is no valid concept at all.

>>727631649
How bored are you to be trying this hard?

>>727631231
For existence to exist, it would necessarily always have existed, i.e. one thing must have always existed.

The other two options are infinite regression and existence starting from absolute nothing, both equally impossible.
There being an infinite thermodynamically isolated system that has always been is possible and therefore the correct answer.
Unless there is a fourth option, but I have never heard about it.

>>727631649
You need to look up the definition of logic.

>>727631835
OK.. i take back my one million.

asking where the universe came from is not a good question if you open your mind and think about it for a second

>>727631964
We not talking about universe here.. we talking about everything.

>>727631860
does it say, that it's sometimes flawed and sometimes isn't? you are a fucking retard

>>727631964
It was always there (the actual universe and not what we use in daily conversation, which is the observable universe that had a beginning)

i find it funny when people argue that god created everything. god IS everything, everything that could ever exist all at once, we are all part of god.

>>727632087
I can dig that

>>727632087
not really. the term "god" is used for something with a will. naturalism states, that nature has no will

>>727632005
the multiverse i mean my bad

>>727623264
God didn't create this thread.

I want my million dollars now.

>>727632154
here for part I of my argument.

Part deux: electric bogaloo:
If an eternal (space/time/mass/energy/property) isolated thermodynamic system exists and has no will, how is there change/movement?
Since if it had no will and was basically just physics it would just exist in a state of equilibrium forever and there would be no big bang and consequently a bunch of fags talking about this on the internet.

>>727632423
Fuck, missed the link back to >>727631835
for part I

>>727623264
Or that he did. Conversation over.

>>727632423
yes, that is my idea of nature as well. that is has a will and direction

>>727632154
true, but if it the mass existence is conscious like one mind then god is a fitting name.

for me its that this is a constant, always and forever, 0 yet 1, and we are just part of this constant energy arising to the top of a watermark and having this conversation about what is going on NOW, TTY IN 5^100 years /b/ros

>>727632576
>it the mass existence is conscious like one mind
sure, i'll got with that. but the question is "how"

>>727632589
Like, time is an infinite loop?
Impossible because it would be like a pendulum svinging forever, in reality it would lose energy for each pass of the loop and stop existing, not that it would start to exist in the first place as existence requires an eternal beginning.

>>727623264
there is only one thing about god, that is for sure. it's not the one in the quran, because that would make him a stupid redneck

>>727623264
THIS THREAD IS FAKE NEWS FOR IMAGINARY GODS, IGNORE AND MOVE AWAY!

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>>727632730
that assumes that time functions based on our understanding of it, and that we perceive everything that contributes to the function of time. dimensions can exist outside of our perception that alter time.

>>727632807
i knew it. i love dogs

It's obvious this universe was created by something. Who knows, maybe the big bang and evolution were orchestrated by the creator. You play it safe by simply believing there's a creator or researching different religions and discarding the ones with blatant inconsistencies.

>>727632817
So not an infinite loop then.

Sorry bro currently hunting goblins and vampires on my trust unicorn with my best friend a griffin. Prove to me I am not and I'll show you the healing fountain of el dorado granting eternal youth.

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>>727632730
time is different for every person on every different point in the universe basically... and speaking about a pendulum swinging forever, maybe not one, but several, and say these pendulums are made of energy, they would never lose energy, and would constantly attract and repel each other... and all of the sudden energy is getting mashed together so densely it starts to form matter, and holy shit as a consciousness we have arrived to the other side of energy... through its continuous mixing and pushing and mashing, and fucking energy, ( i, we, you, i and i, god ) is now arriving to a consciousness, and become aware of itself... interdesting...

>>727632896
It could be both an infinite loop and a straight line at the same time.

>>727626091
>all of the universes energy

Where did this 'energy' come from?

>>727633060
Paradox, we kind of have to assume logic is an axiom or anything and nothing is possible.

>>727633049
Nope to all of that shit, stop smoking so much weed.

>>727633245
Paradoxes are resolved when dimensions outside of the cause of the paradox are added. It is only paradoxal within our comprehension of it.

It would be very boring and very selfish for one god to create everything. No fun at all.

>>727633366
this anon wins the thread.

>>727633290
FUCK YOU and im not even that high...

>>727623264
All possible attempts at proving god exists have failed. By virtue of this fact, we can easily, and rightfully claim that god doesn't exist.

>>727633366
God is the root cause of all things, we still create our works of art, but they are still samples and remixes of the one original act of creation.

>>727623264
One Million Dollars says you can't prove god created everything.

>>727633498
The Original Creator didn't want there to be proof because knowledge and growth are gained through experience. It would defeat the purpose of creating something if you immediately halt it's development, especially an intelligence, by telling it that it is a creation.

>>727633620
The first thing "god" did was help create 12 sexy babes to create shit with.

>>727631169
Just try and imagine the simplest flow of events that led to emergence of our Universe. Bear on mind, that if you're including God at the beginning, you are just delaying the explanation. God had to emerge somehow in a Universe prior, or paralell to ours. So you are just moving the question to the Universe in which said god exists. If we assume that laws of physics and natural selection in this other Universe are the same as here, then there had to be point of origin similar to ours, but without God. So we can assume the same, godless scenario of genesis to our Universe.
If we assume different laws on the other hand... Then this whole theory goes down the drain after applying Occam's Razor.

God is a figment of imagination in the brains of humans who are scared of death

>>727633822
He had help from the original void that he created himself out of then conceptualized as the first woman. She's very sexy.

>>727633295
On the absolute scale, in which I thought the discussion was in, time can only really be linear.

>>727633822
If you want to go by the bible, it was the archangel michael.

>>727633907
nah, time can only be linear in your comprehension. Thinking that your comprehension of the everythingness of reality is 100%, is ignorant.

>>727633847
The ones who are scared of death are the ones who haven't accepted the natural structure and continue to try and abolish what they themselves created. Why would "god" create death? That's mankinds creation the forces of mankind continue to perpetuate it.

The universe is infinite
We can't take a picture of infinity
That picture of the universe is fake

>>727633891
>original void
Then that would be God, for it to be God it would have no beginning as the beginning is God.

>>727634010
No, I just have to assume that logic is applicable to reality or everything becomes absurd.

>>727633975
Most religious texts are translations from the divine. We can assume that these sources have a misogynistic bias.

>>727623264
>It would defeat the purpose of creating something if you immediately halt it's development, by telling it that it is a creation.

So shouldn't we have been developmentally halted for the last 10,000 years or so? By your own admission?

>>727634070
reality is absurd to the human mind because our comprehension is so limited.

>>727634036
Yes, but god, as the original creator, created himself into space. This space had no conceptualization, and so he conceptualized it as the first female. You could call it his mother and his daughter.

>>727634126
Meant for
>>727633723

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>>727623264
You can't prove a negative, that's just how logiv works.

For example, I can't prove that you didn't suck a cock this morning, I can only prove that you did other things this morning, like swallow your own cum after you masturbated to My Little Pony porn.

Even if I accounted for every second I observed of you fucking your own ass, gargling your own cum, etc. this morning, I still can't prove that you DIDN'T suck a cock because there are always things that I can't account for do to my limited understanding of the laws of physics.

For example, you might have frozen time, teleported behind someone, informed them it wasn't personal, and blown their time frozen cock, and since I clearly can't account for things I can't perceive, I can never say for sure this didn't happen.

And that's why you can't prove a negative, limited understanding of the universe only allows us to confirm the things we can perceive, and then to a limited extent. We can however use philosophy to determine when things are unlikely and not worth our time, and that's where the time travel cock sucking and God come into play. They're both so unlikely and both affect me so little, there's no reason for me to be concerned with it.

>>727634126
What halted man is his desire to control others, which is the source of religion.

>>727623264
Butt hurt Christian from yesterday's ass whooping has come back for more trolling?

>>727634075
Why would you assume God to have a gender (shitlord)?

>>727624392
Yep. Anything you can't explain God must've done. 0 other possibilities.

>>727634160
How could something that doesn't exist, create itself?

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>>727634506
>>727634075

>>727630219
Infinite regress is allowed--if there's an assumption that there are non-contingent actors being put forth, i.e. an omnipresent being or simply a non contingent being like God or a Spaghetti monster then that's fine. It's a bold assertion but it's allowed. If you wanted to disprove that there was some original non-contingent actor you have to take a different approach and instead set for a criteria for why those types of assumptions are bad, but the logic itself is technically fine.

>>727630312
You're just a tool throwing around words, our best understanding of time is linear and claiming otherwise actually is a bad conclusion to the evidence around us.

>>727634141
Yes, yes, we don't have omniscience and to understand the parts you have to understand the whole, but still we have to go by some axioms or just give up on existence to pure chaos.

>>727634506
Because he was the first creation and was therefore different from what was conceptualized and what he later created. Gender is a term man created to describe this relation. You could call him a her but the first distinction still arises.

>>727634336
This is a well thought out reply Anon....thank you for your effort...Anon

>>727634555
That's the only way that the first thing could be created.

>>727634688
Non-contingent is not the same as infinite regress.

>>727634793
So you believe that something came from nothing rather than that something always existed.

>>727634160
>created himself into space
>his mother and his daughter

Jesus fuck, no wonder religious retards are so fucked up. I can't even imagine the state of a mind that comes up with this shit.

>>727634740
Gender is a human concept, yet you still assume God and others gender, shitlawd.

>>727634874
Well it has always existed because he conceptualized time after creation.

>>727634881
I would assume just all of the fake weed.

>>727623264
Negative can't be proven you dickhead

>>727634935
The gender of the void was later defined because he came from her but he also created her. A mother/female is in essence this.

>>727634941
If he always existed, he would not have been created, created implies a beginning. God would also have to be outside of time and space.

>>727634832
You argued it would have had to create itself and that's not allowed (because it's an infinite regress, because it's contingent on it creating itself).

You're right I didn't split my argument up right though, I was presenting two--one that it's okay for it to need to infinitely create itself and it can do that if it's omnipotent and omnipresent, which while an infinite regress is fine because philosophy of math shows infinite regresses can exist.

And a second argument, that you can avoid that problem altogether by simply defining it as a non-contingent actor, then it doesn't need anything to make it because it's last omni-quality is that of not being contingent on any kind of creator.

I did type that wrong before, my bad.

>>727635036
Then the mother character you describe would be God as it would be the origin of existence.
God is the uncaused cause.

>>727635071
But in order for "god" to have begun existing he would've had to create himself, and as I said time and space are conceptions of "god" so he is outside of them.

The only god is us. We are capable. We are our own reality.

>>727635163
The cause of the conception of the mother was god, before god there was no conception.

>>727635101
I am not the one involved in the flying spaghetti monster discussion.

>>727635163
But she was always here.

>>727635163
And there was no conception of a god. It was just two peeps having a good time.

>>727623264
It is impossible to prove that things do not exist.

Prove unicorns don't exist. You can't.

People making claims have to provide evidence of their claims. God is a human creation, you're creating an imaginary friend that is on your side.

Prove my imaginary friend doesn't exist.

>>727635200
If it began to exist, it is not God.
>>727635251
So God, which didn't exist, made not-God, that has always existed (which really makes it God), pregnant with himself?

Your worldview is unnecessarily complicated and impossible on so many levels.

>>727635260
Wait, so you're the tool that doesn't think time is linear? Why the hell do you think that?

>>727635428
There is no empirical evidence of you not being a philosophical zombie to an outside observer either.

>>727635222
How do I know?
Black holes will warp time to our state. When you enter the event horizon, time will speed up so much, it would practically be the end of the universe. Then you are transmitted to a zero g world, that is white. You can do whatever you want in this world. You are in a sandbox. After all of this, you rank up higher and higher. Until you become the last rank. You become everything. You know what happened and you are what happened. An infinite scale of intelligence.

>>727635428
It's true you can't prove something doesn't exist and the only proof of existence is existing.

>>727635487
No, I am "God has always been, is outside of time and space" guy.

>>727635569
Meanwhile, your existence is entirely dependent on your physical body and that would stop functioning long before you hit the event horizon.

>>727635615
Oh, well that's just one way to define omnipresence, you're fine then, carry on.

>>727635707
Thats only if you AREN'T accepted. Only a few get this privilege.

>>727624279
>That burden of proof concept was created by humans
I thought you were saying everything was created by god.

>>727635483
"God" is a man-made concept. There was no conceptualization of existence before the first dude. So you're "not-god" didn't exist until she was conceptualized the guy that sprung from her, you could say she is existence.

>>727635761
Basically the cosmological argument is where I come from.

>>727623264
yeah but can't prove that there is one or he did so why bother spending time believing in him

God never created a way to prove God exists or cartocotopopia the floating city of chese. Therefore there are things God didn't create, and he didn't create everything.

>>727635917
Yes, god gave others the ability to create because he's not an asshole.

>>727635846
How could existence not exist and then begin existing after something else starts existing of it's own volition?
Stop. Smoking. Weed.

Your shit is getting more and more ridiculous.

>>727635767
You could just smoke DMT and experience pretty much the same thing.

>>727636056
Because he is creation and by creating himself he made existence.

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>>727624279
>I don't have to prove something, for something to be true buddy boy.
Yes, but I don't also have to disprove for it to be possibly false
So as long as you cannot prove something is true, I can just say it's false.
your move fagboy :^)

>>727635222
Kane?

>>727636111
Too expensive.

>>727624392
>You cant create or destroy energy.
Yes you can. Energy is only conserved if spacetime is time translation invariant, and that isn't true in the big bang cosmology.
>>727626091
That isn't what happened at all. There was no "atom sized particle", the big bang was no an explosion happening at a particular point, it is the point where spacetime begins.

>>727636179
The ingredients are pretty cheap and it is pretty easy to isolate.

>>727635882
I can respect that, that's basically the theory Charles Darwin advocates at the end of "On the Origin of Species".

Two questions if you just want to debate though, one-- Why do things need to be contingent all the way back, why can't they just have started somewhere and the original things be non contingent (rather than specifically being God)?

And two--Would your God be like the Christian God then, or sentient at all? Or since that argument is mostly based on the idea of something needing to have started it all, would you be okay with an argument that whatever that starting force is may not be similar to how we define God at all? (i.e. not neccesarily sentient, caring, etc.. merely a force that set the contingent actions of the universe into motion)

>>727635835
Fucking this

Wheres our million dollars "buddy boy"

>>727636169
Who what where?

>>727636312
Sorry I thought you were my brother lol

>>727636243
I'm looking for a plug on the deep web right now.
You know the best site? I have 1.32 bit coin right now.

>>727624392
you can create energy, it is called zero point energy or vacuum energy. as can it be destroyed by a similar process

>>727636365
Abel?

>>727636405
Not quite lol

>>727636244
>why can't they just have started somewhere
Because getting something from nothing is impossible, obviously.

>or sentient at all
I'm going to answer this part because the other part would take to long, but the tl;dr is basically archetypes.
Anyway, the sentient/free will part I already talked about earlier in the thread here >>727632423

>>727623264
all of those pictures except for the human eye were computer generated lol

>>727636437
your parents fucking suck at naming.

>>727623264
Good people of Earth... Your God confusion comes from the belief that God formed within his own creation...it's the chicken or the egg question. God existed before this creation....thereby allowing him to affect any point or event along the time line. You live within the concept...he created the concept...relax.....that is all.

>>727636497
I see. These must be dark times for you.

>>727636379
The ingredients are not even illegal because to make plants and animals that contain DMT illegal would make pretty much all of nature illegal.
Just check it out how to isolate it on erowid, it is pretty simple, it would cost WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY less than 1.3 bitcoin.
You just need some pyrex, some solvents and organic material that contains a decent amount of DMT, like mimosa hostilis bark.

>>727636642
How much is 1.32. I started to mine like this summer. Did I get far?

>>727636790
Last time I checked, 1 bitcoin was like 1200 USD.

>>727636972
Oh shit.

>>727637065
Correction, 1100, still more than enough to start your own DMT operation.