/b/ros, I'm waiting for heroin. I'm so sick of this

>>727575032
Go get help, get off the smack, delete your gym, go to the lawyer and hire a facebook.

Just turn your back bro. Run. I mean literally run out of the house and into the street. Just keep running until you're too exhausted to feel. Then take a look at yourself.

Just stop being a pussy and go through the withdrawals. They won't kill you. Only alcohol and benzo withdrawals do that.

I swear, heroin addicts are the biggest whiny babies. "Oh I don't wanna feel sick! I don't wanna feel SICK!" Just suck it up.

t. A recovering alcoholic with 5 years sober who had a grand mal seizure when he stopped drinking cold turkey.

>>727575032

rehab, if you can afford it. The longer you put it off, the harder it will be to kick.

It's so hard though. It's so easy to get high. I've never been good at communicating with others or doing anything until I discovered dope. But it's eating me alive.

Did your mother really give birth to you just so you could waste your life like this. Think about it man

>>727575158
this sounds to be good advice.

Rehab, trust me. I've had to put five friends in the ground in the past four years and every single one was because of heroin.
Yes, getting clean is going to suck but it's going to be worth it because you're alternative is either death or becoming a junkie who sucks dick for a fix.
Consider being found by a friend dead with a needle in your arm, don't make them go through that.

>>727575032
Stop cold turkey. I was shooting a 0.8 at my peak. Dope I was getting was coming out of Philly, in stamped wax bags by the bundle. Shit was fire.

I stopped without needing any medication, or help from rehab. It's better that way cause it eliminates the chances of getting hooked on something else. Like methadone.

If you are serious. You will cancel the upcoming deal. It's not that hard to quit. You just have to be serious.

>>727575032
My friend and his wife were going to a methadone clinic for a while. He thought it was helping him, but he noticed they kept upping his wife's dosage. They both also noticed that the people they met there alot of them had been going for years and years, and while they waited for their daily dose, they'd be out on the lot buying and selling pills or whatever.

The point it, if you want it to help you, it can. The problem is your going to be surrounded by people who're just using it as an easy way to get high, and make contacts. And the people running the place make their living keeping you hooked on their drug. I'm sure there are reputable clinics though. Try to find one. If not, avoid temptation, don't socialize with the other addicts there, and do make sure that your dosage is decreased rather than increased over time. It will take a lot of willpower.

>>727577043
it always gives me chills the shared feeling of "this shit is really intense stay away" from ex heroin users way to go

>>727575032
Change your phone number, delete all your drug contacts, have someone lock you in a room for a few weeks, move to a new place. Go to a work rehab. A place where you work and get a free room and food.

try kratom

>>727575032
Take immodium and flu medication.

>>727575032
Kill yourself fucking faggot

Suboxone for withdrawal and then stop doing drugs.
Why is this so hard for people?

>>727575379
Fuck rehabs full of lying cocksuckers who just want to fill beds to make money.
kick on your own u can do it!

>>727575032
>rehab
You'll end up relapsing again... and again.

Seriously, you should just kill yourself. I'm not even trying to be edgy.

>>727577211
Thx anon.

Hopefully op kicks it. The drug is not worth it. Unless you enjoy going 2 or 3 weeks without taking a shit.
My cousin went 27 days last January without taking a shit. He purposely went sick just to shit. Nasty fucking drug.

Op go Google what a needle looks like after just 3 uses

>>727575372
>stopped drinking cold turkey.

you're insane

>>727575032
Rehab sucks. I went twice and shot up within a day of leaving both times.

>>727575032
rehab. unless you like waking up every day and the first thought you have is "how/where will i get dope today"

subs completely remove withdrawal but withdrawal off subs is a bitch too. But eventually it does actually work OP. I know that feel all too well. The worst part is getting to the reason you started using in the first place otherwise history is bound to repeat itself.

In the mean times enjoy the sweats and shits. I found jacking it would give some temporary relief with the little burst of endorphines. Force yourself to go for a walk.

>>727575032
Taper down with immodium. Seriously, it works.

Keeps you from getting sick and keeps the cravings minimal. Allows you to go to work and act normal without sweating buckets and running to the rest room every 10 minutes from diarrhea.

Also, it's far better than methadone or suboxy which do nothing but give you a substitute addiction that's arguably worse.

I've found 10 immodiums a day for heavy addiction or 6 a day for light. Taper down for about a week. Note that too many immodiums will give you all the shitty effects of having too much oxy/heroin without the high (nausea), so don't take more than you need.

But it's perfect for sorting out the addiction, or just getting you back to regular after you had a week of hard use and have no money for more.

>>727575032
go to the hospital to detox then to rehab the first 30 days suck but hang in there

What is your financial and family situation like? If you're homless, kick off the crack and lie sick im the streets. You will lose any remaining possesions, but you can earn them back afterwards. Eventually, turn to a police station and ask for help. They'll probably take you to a shelter or give you directions to one. If you still have a family, try and fall back on them.

If you do have a home or expensive possesions: Get someone to bring you food, good food, and stay in your house for a month. Just don't let yourself get crack. Literally get rid of your system for it, yourself.

>>727578005
This is how people think who're either on medicaid or parents are paying for everything. Most normal people don't have the thousands per day a hospital stay will cost and can deal with it on their own. These are the exact same types that go to the emergency room for a flu, if they had to pay the thousands that really costed they wouldn't do it, but instead they go on medicaid and let the taxpayer pay for it.

Not to mention all a hospital is gonna do is put you on a bed, monitor you, and make sure you don't use. You could just as easily have a friend or family member give you that treatment at home.

>>727575469

you're making excuses not to do it so you're not serious about kicking the habit yet. Enjoy rock bottom, cause it won't be until then that you stop being a pussy. I wonder what your rock bottom will be? kek

Don't listen to these softcocks. Get on a plane to the golden triangle, smoke opium and hustle tourists.

What fucking annoys me is druggies without the will to be druggies, you are a shame to addicts everywhere. Go kill yourself. Or atleast do the vasectomything.

Warm regards - scandinavian cokeaddict living in Bolivia. Kill yourself please. Do it with heroin.

>>727575032
Just got out of rehab today.....go to rehab man, you will find a new family there bro. Best thing I have ever done for myself.

>>727575032
ITT: heroin addicts talk about their favorite subject. Every dope addict I've ever known never shuts the fuck up about it.

I really hope the government puts some lethal shit in circulation to exterminate some of you parisites.

>>727576756
Listen to this guy.

>>727575372
there's no fucking way i could stop cold turkey makes me sick thinking of it.

>>727578464
You forgot to put in a plug for Trump and your alt-right movement.

>>727576756
you ever think they're ODing on purpose?

>>727578692
See>>727577911

Immodium is a pseudo opiate that fulfills the cravings without getting you high. Also will stop most withdrawal symptoms like fever, diarrhea, no appetite, and help you sleep.

I've stopped opiates at many points by switching to 10 immodiums a day, taking 1 or 2 less each day, for about a week.

Try it, your cravings stay managable. It's not like cold turkey but you won't wind up with a substitute addiction like suboxy or methadone which, from what I can tell, actually are *harder* to withdrawal from than pills or heroin.

eventually you will go to jail and detox there

then you will continually violate your probation from not being able to stop using

part of your guilty plea will be do a rule 25 and follow recommendations

eventually you will be in a cycle of jail and treatment centers

"keep coming back, it works"

>>727578761
Not a Trump supporter... at all. I just know from experience what happens when someone gets hooked on heroin; it turns people into the lowest form of cretin on the plant. And VERY few people end up kicking it for good.

Having found a mate dead with a needle in his arm, give it up. You don't even enjoy what you are doing to yourself. Seek help. Listen to the song below.

Jenny - Nothingmore
https://youtu.be/_TWr2pj6kqM

>>727575032
Had a bad hydro addiction few years back (about 300mg a day). Withdrawal sucks.
It's hard, but I tapered down. I used gabapentin (could use lyrica), loperamide, and kratom to finally kick.
Takes lots of Imodium (loperamide). It's technically an opioid. It binds to your body's opioid/opiate receptors, so it does help relieve symptoms, but it doesn't really cross the blood brain barrier, so you don't get a high.

If you don't have the control to get yourself clean, than seek sub help from a dr or clinic. Don't fuck with methadone AT ALL, because withdrawing from that is even worse than heroin due to its extremely long half life.

Also exercise once you taper low, as it releases endorphins which will help.

Been clean for about 4 years now. Good luck OP. I wish you the best. Stay strong man.

>>727575032
Quit heroin alone by yourself. Don't team up with anyone. Don't rely on anyone. Don't make a bond with anyone. Quit smoking. Eat healthy. Workout. Go back to education and study. Run every morning. Tell no one what your doing, only reply to questions and don't embellish the conversation, answer exactly what is asked or not at all. Build yourself up and become unstoppable. Don't even rely on me behind this message.

>>727578259
yeah i used medicaid i was on the street drinking myself to death i did what i had to do.

>>727576756
Honestly bro, though you mention an overdose and everyone freaks out like it's the worst thing ever. Truth is that most people die in a low place. Getting old, senile, and sickly, to me, is arguably worse than going out with a bang.

They died doing something they loved and they knew the risks. Most people who've never dabbled in opiates do not understand the amazing upsurge of joy and inner peace that they temporarily bring.

I would venture to say that in the mind of an addict, there's more pros than cons of the opiate life... it's economics, the good outweighs the bad so they keep doing it.

Life is hell.

And don't pretend that these people will have made something great of themselves if they've never used, they'd just be depressed and miserable 100% of the time rather than depressed and miserable JUST when they don't have their dope.

No death is a pretty thing, but truth of the matter is their life likely would have been uglier without it. At least they found some temporary solace in opiates.

I use off and on, I've managed never to become a severe opiate despite using for 25 years now. I always quit when I feel like I *need* it and taper down with immodium.


But dying from heroin is not the tragedy people think. Life is hard for a "discard", those people that tend to be chronically disliked. Despite their best efforts they likely will never go anywhere in business despite their hard work (unlikeablity renders you ineligible for promotion). They likely will never have satisfying human relationships. Let them have their artificial comforts. And if it cuts their lives short, well, they were suffering their whole lives anyhow and even if you could resurrect them, I'm sure they'd tell you their lives were never that important.

tl;dr Overdoses are not a tragedy, they died doing what they loved. It would have been much more miserable life without their preferred solace.

>>727575032
ibogaine cures all addictions. Look it up anon.

>>727575032
Take decreasing amounts each time from what you usually do, like increments of 5% or some shit, idk what to cut down by I never did heroin because i'm not a fucking idiot

>>727578952
Yup....loperamide taper, with kratom works well. Loperamide is actually an opioid. It was an accident/byproduct while the chemist was trying to create fentanyl.

>>727579165
Detoxing in jail SUCKS! Full on cold turkey man.

>>727579711
Heh, yeah, tell that to my friend who spent a few thousand on one of those trips to a retreat in the Amazon
Update: she's back on smack

>>727579711
Ibogaine isn't a guaranteed fix. Sadly, it's also a c1 here in the states (massive jail time) and impossible to find.

>>727579720
This never works for addicts. You can't do it alone.

They are trying to "get there" not "get by".

"I want to feel like I did yesterday. It'd be a waste to use a little less, I might as well not do it at all. I need to make it count and go full one more time tonight. I'll do 3/4 as much tomorrow."

Rinse and repeat. Ideally opie therapy clinics would provide heoin instead of suboxone or methadone, you go in, take drug test, use whatever they give you, go home.

>>727580078
I've heard of ibogaine treatments in Mexico and Canada....even looked into and noped the fuck out when I found out the cost. $10k+

>>727580335
It does work, but you have to have incredible will power, stay committed and want to quit. Most addicts fail 2 of those 3.

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>>727575032
Hey buddy, I know what you're going through. I've been on a ton of Morphine now for 3 years and some days the pain from my condition is so bad I'll take double the dose. Next thing I know, I'm requesting a refill early and they're refusing to do it because "you should still have half a month left".

So this week I decided enough was enough. Over 5 days, I gradually reduced my daily intake by a few mg each time, then stopped altogether.

I found that by downing enough of a smaller opiate (Tramadol, which does nothing to help me anyway) it kept the withdrawal symptoms at bay. I felt a bit sick on day two but now, a week later, I feel normal having gone off it.

I always said I'd have to die first before I go through the pain of stopping but it's all in your mindset and approach. Resign yourself to the fact that you ARE ending this and start making plans. Don't know if there are clinics or med centres near you but you could go to your Doctor, tell him what's happening and he may give you an opiate that isn't as strong and won't get you high but will keep you feeling okay. Not sure about methadone though, heard that's hard to kick as well.

Or, every time you take your drug of choice, reduce the amount you use by 10% each time. If you start feeling too shitty, dial back a bit. As long as each dose is smaller than the last you're making progress. I survived this week just by doing this.

I realise heroin is usually worse than morphine by a large degree but no opiate withdrawal is pleasant. Just take it slow and steady. And don't be afraid to ask for help. We all need it sometimes.

>>727580378
That's why you get the ibogaine yourself, dumbass.

That's like going to a hospital to get treatment for addiction, same fucking prices. Involving any healthcare professionals, particularly in something that's gonna take days, is gonna cost tens of thousands.

Cut out the middle man and do it yourself. Healthcare costs are pricing themselves out of the market....

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>>727575032
Man... my heart truly goes out too you... I too am struggling w/ H on top of a full time career and college (only one class a week) but still... i feel like if i even try to stop.. my house of cards will collapse.. after i spent soo long to build it..

>>727575372
>t. A recovering alcoholic with 5 years sober who had a grand mal seizure when he stopped drinking cold turkey.

It's not our fault you're a dumbass and chose a dumbass addiction

>>727578316
>scandinavian
Kek. I bet tourists love to buy 'coke' from a fellow white person.

>>727575372
Alcoholholic LMFAO what a fucking loser.

>>727580078
It requires the subject to face the reason they do drugs and deal with it durring the trip. Maybe your friend chose to keep running.

>>727578316
Please tell me you're not danish, the association shame would push me towards starting a heroin habit just to forget it.

>>727575372
> They won't kill you.
Can so.

>>727581489
I bet that's his hustle. He hangs out near the nice 4 star hotels and scores coke for white drug tourists that don't wish to interact with shady drug-pushing Bolivians themselves.

Seeing as how a truly pure gram of coke in Bolivia is only like around 3 bucks he could mark it up to like 25, get himself several grams, plenty cover his rent and food, and still have cash left over.

However, it blows up in a really nasty way when a 1st world citizen winds up going to prison in the third world for crimes like this....

>>727580081
Its fairly easy to make yourself from cheap easy ingrediants. Just remember to confront the reason you do drugs durring the trip or you are wasting your time and dont exceed 25mg/per kg dosage or you will have issues.

>>727575032
The answer is simpler than the solution.
The answer: Don't do the drugs

The solution, however, requires the proper focus: Not doing drugs is simple, the hard part is chosing not to do them.

Of course, there are certain factors that interfere: The drug-type, the withdrawals, the people around you and their effect on your usage, your self-disipline, your will to improve yourself.

Think of it like this: Women talk about their problems... Men solve theirs!

>>727581747
Pretty spot on. I live in hostels, I speak spanish and have conects - and I sell to scaredyass backpackers.

San Pedro is ofcourse a fear, but in general I'm faaar below the radar of anyone except my competition and even those guys don't have much of a clue what I'm up to - thinking I'm just some kind of partyboy or lost wanderer.

Kratom look into it.

You know where this road ends. This road ends at an early death. Is this all you want your one shot at life on this Earth to be? Heroin addiction will be your legacy; the only thing that defined your presence here on this planet.

>>727580697
Same here with the hydro addiction I had. I've got 3 herniated vertebrae. I still take kratom 6gr p/day x3). I can easily go without here and there on my good days with minor pain with no Wd's.

Thanks to big pharma, thousands have become addicts, and even moved to heroin.

>>727580769
Really? Tell me where to get it without resorting to Tor and the deep web you pleb.

>>727581912
So easy to say when you're not the one going through weeks hell where you are SO tired but can never sleep, feel like you're freezing while you drench everything around you with sweat. Your whole body feels like it's been electrocuted for 6 months straight.

If there was a loaded gun in front of you I can GUARANTEE that you would kill yourself just to escape the sheer agony.

My advice...a several day detox with buprenorphine....then try and get proscribed modafinil

>>727582550
Don't put that on big pharma, they were only fulfilling a demand that was already there. Using opiates was your choice.

I do it too and I have the exact same ailment as you. But if you put the blame on big pharma all that does is have the government crack down on them and it hurts people that truly do need them.

The choice to use a drug belongs solely to that individual, the blame for abusing a drug belongs solely to the individual.

And I've always said a weak man will always destroy himself, the exact tool that he uses may be different....

And to stronger people, drugs in many ways, even opiates, can be greatly life enhancing.

You just can never get to using them regularly and if you're using them for pain, you must stop after you're healed up (and opiates can hoodwink you into believing you're in more pain than you are once you're fully addicted, it's just the psycholgical catalyst the addiction uses to get you to take more).

I got hooked on pills for my herniations too. And I got a million times better by getting off them and working out my sore back. Now I have healed.

>>727582655
Order Iboga root bark online then extract it yourself. Directions for extraction are a google search away. Also not the anon you posted to.

>>727582852
You left out the god awful leg pain and twitching.

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>>727581638
heh the Dutch...

I dont know much about this but a friend I had got off oxy with kratom. he also said sublaxone helps a lot with the w/ds

>>727575032
relies there is no you and blow the fuck out

>>727583143
Huh like you're one to judge, tell me something interesting that isn't about guitars.

>>727583496
The barnacle has the longest penis in the animal kingdom.

>>727583632
You ams dildos, his real answer would be "Uhhhh, uuhm, errrr, well the cool things about guitars is..."

>>727583784
A pigs orgasm can last up to 30 minutes.

>>727582997
No, a lot of it IS big pharmas fault. I worked in the pharmaceutical industry. Doctors are given perks for scripting certain drugs.

Back in the 90s, they said "hey,here's ocycodone. It's great for chronic pain and not as addictive as codeine/hydrocodone/morphine/etc.

Why do you think hydrocodone was made a cII a year and half ago? Because doctors were overscripting it. "We reformulated vicodin to have half the acetaminophen, so now it's safer for patients livers. We call it Norco."

People become addicts due to overscripting, get cut off by dr/pharmacy, start buying on the street, realize how much cheaper heroin is, boom....smack addicts.

Look at statistics of the increase in heroin addicts. You think tens of thousands of people just suddenly decided to try heroin all at the same time? You're a fool sir.

>>727583880
I envy pigs in that regard.

>>727583920
Rats multiply so quickly that in 18 months, two rats could have over a million descendants.

Much like every liberal on earth Female kangaroos have three vaginas.

>>727584152
Neat, you're a fountain of animal trivia anon.
Male platypus develop venom in glands on their back legs during mating season, to ward off other male platypus with two spikes on their hind legs.

>>727575372
Cold turkeying off opiates could kill you. Especially if you're an heroin addict.

>>727583784
Yea in Swedens the underwears for the sexy stuff but others thans that it's always the freeballs.

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>>727582852
I was merely stating the facts of the matter, and was not trying to make it seem simple or endurable.

Also, I must point out, I employed this logic on myself during my days of alcoholism, which resulted in mental anguish, mental revolution, mental epiphanies and general self-improvement. I also overcame my addiction.

I'm sure there are more factors involved than the total of what I described. However, despite the circumcisions, I'm sure my pointers are both relevant and factual.

>>727584503
Experiments show that male rhesus macaque monkeys will pay to look at pictures of female rhesus macaques' bottoms.

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>>727575032
K R A T O M
K R A T O M
K R A T O M

>>727584683
Pay with what? How the fuck they gonna get money? By sucking dicks in back alleys? I am so fucking sick of you darwinist humanists and your fucking anti-Christian lies.

>>727584512
No it can't you idiot

>>727584900
accurate

K R A T O M
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>>727584683
They did experiments with chimps, where they added a proxy for a monetary system, where they could exchange tokens for food. Within a day they had invented prostitution where the male chimps gave the female chimps tokens for sex.

>>727584897
Food or tokens given to them by the people conducting the study if I recal

>>727575032
Vivitrol.

You're welcome.

>>727584897
The Dance Fever of 1518 was a month-long plague of inexplicable dancing in Strasbourg, in which hundreds of people danced for about a month for no apparent reason. Several of them danced themselves to death. Also known as the dancing mania.

>>727575032
People like you make it incredibly hard for me to get much needed pain medication.

>>727577670
>Op go Google what a needle looks like after just 3 uses
How many times does a heroin usually use a needle?

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>>727576230
No, she gave birth to him so he could be a good goy and wageslave for 40 years, get married and accept his death after getting that brand new mercedes.

OP, you should try mushies and then lsd if you want out of dope.
You can go to rehab, quit cold turkey, whatever, but nothing will make you forget that blanket of god that is heroin, unless you try something better.

The tiny parasite Toxoplasma gondii can only breed sexually when in the guts of a cat. To this end, when it infects rats, it changes their behaviour to make them less scared of cats.

>>727585493
Adding to this, the parasite makes the rats sexually attracted to the smell of cat pee in order to do this.

>>727584512
No, but it makes you feel like it will.

Extreme alcohol and benzo wd's can kill you though

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>>727585325
Found something

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>>727585190
Oh come on get down everybody. Come on everybody check me out. I'M DANCIN'! I'M DANCIN'!

>>727582374
this, try a bunch from a local smoke shop
Once you see that it helps the WD order bulk online,
suck it up bro.

>>727585493
>>727585638
True and true. There are also thousands of people infected with it and they don't even know. Pregnant woman should not be exposed to dirty cat litter, as the parasite can wreak havoc on the baby in the womb.

>>727585774
There is a town in Canada called “Dildo.”

>>727585493
>>727585949

Everybody knows all this shit already.
What's your point?

>>727585733
Yeah I googled aswell, my question was how many times they keep a needle in use. All I know of heroin addicts is what I've seen from movies, they dont make it seem like they change needles at all. Atleast not when you've become an addict addict. I guess you can still not be an idiot and do heroin at the same time.

>>727585819
>try a bunch from a local smoke shop

No, just no. Buy from a reputable online vendor. Not that I matter for much being anon and all, but I will vouch for Kratora and Misty Mountain Herbals. Neither have ever disappointed me. Moon Kratom used to be ok (somewhat lower quality but a lot cheaper), but her quality went to complete shit a while back. Avoid at all costs.

>>727575032
Hit up a doc, get on suboxone, supplement with kratom and weed, have some discipline.

>>727575032
Take a overdose and it will scare you so much that you automatically quit. No need to go to rehab.

>>727575032
Methadone clinic

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>>727586038
There's a town in Pennsylvania called Intercourse.

>>727585493
It has a similar effect on humans, making them more confident.
Before a vein pops out of your head at least...

I know what you should do, stop. I was shooting dope for 5 years and got on methadone. soooo hard getting off methadone dont do it unless its last resort. i would come off dope 10x over before coming off methadone again

Anyone done cocaine. What's it like your first time

>>727586511
My first time was amazing and there was no crash. The no crash part never happens again tho

>>727586281
Nice

>>727586488
I've heard that heroin is the most difficult to get off of.

>>727577673
I quit the same way, 4L+ of overproof rot gut vodka a week was my use. I didn't have a seziure but I still wouldn't wish it on my enemies. I would have cut my foot off without anesthetic for a free pass at drinking. Almost 4 years sober now.

>>727586511
I thought it was lame as fuck. Don't get me wrong it felt great, I just didn't see what the big deal was. I wish that I had of left it at that, because my habit nearly got out of control.

>>727586511
Tried it once, didn't feel anything for 40 minutes, then I got a splitting headache.
I've never touched the stuff since.

>>727586511
>>727586511
It's terrible. I did it lots when I was a teenager.
It's like drinking 20 cups of coffee and being completely jittery. It makes you feel a bit high but you can't tell because you're so hyped. And you really do want more just a minute later.

Me and my buddies would buy a couple grams and a crate of beer each and think "that'll do us for the night" but within 2 hours we'd be going back out to buy more.

I didn't find it addictive, in fact the only reason I kept doing it was because everyone else was and I was bored. It did however clog my nose up completely for about 3 days every time I had a big session. Like having really bad flu but just the nose.

Don't bother. But then, I'm a downer guy not an upper. Give me a bag of weed any time.

>>727587038
Clarification: I mean I didn't find it addictive AFTER by the way, it's the most fucking addictive thing I've ever had DURING the night. You just want more and more and more, especially if you're getting drunk too.

>>727586952
Also this experience basically made my body associate any powdered drug as poison, I feel slightly queasy whenever I see it.

>>727577911
Yeah I've done the Imodium thing it does work though it's not pleasant. I just did my last half gram of dope and I'm wondering what's next. I got a friend coming in with fent patches and OC 80s tonight but I just want to be done.

I helped a good friend quit heroin.

My advice was, the physical symptoms are less important than the mental addiction.

That is what needs to be addressed. You need to make your mind change, and you need to focus on the mental issues first and foremost. Get a clean friend to confide in and talk about the addiction itself, and think yourself about the mental issue.

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>>727575158
until you look like this, op

>>727578079
I have a great family situation and a lot of money which is part of the problem. I'm not on "crack" and have never done it. It's opioids that are the problem. And i deserve to be homeslwas but my family would never let that happen.

>>727578316
>coke addict
Please. There is no such thing. It's all mental. If you're too weak to stop doing coke for a day that's on you. Try being addicted tonopiates and sick as dogshit when you come off. You have no IDEA what addiction is.

>>727587796
Obviously you understand they are "enablers"? I fucking hate that term, but unfortunately it's true.

The absolute best thing they could do for you is cut you off. And that doesn't mean making you homeless, it just means making sure you can't buy shit or steal their shit to buy shit.

>>727579639
Thanks anon this is the best advice I've heard so far.

>>727579701
It's true man. I'd rather go out doing what I love. It's not a lonely thing being high it's beautiful and life has meaning again. I know it's all false and temporary, but dying being high would be the way I want to go.

>>727580697
Thanks for the love brother.

>>727587796
So your a rich Idiot who dosent appreciate what the good lord gave him and wants to punish himself for his blessings. You must be a democrat.

>>727577283
this, though getting off kratom can be just as hard, but at least it's something you can buy in bulk, at a low price, and online, pretty much legally everywhere

>>727588057
Eh but the thing is they don't know. They have no idea. I've somehow been able to slip underneath the radar for the longest time, at home, at work, with friends. This is an internal battle.

>>727588611
Absolute retard detected

>>727588611
No man, I have a good family, I pay my bills on time, financially it's not even a problem, it's physically what it's doing to me. Shit I even voted for trump.

>>727588887
Okay so the best thing you can do right now is tell them, let them in. It seems you don't really want to stop, you're addicted, you love the shit, and you're not ready to quit yet. You just know you should.

Additionally, if you have the money why can't you do the whole rehab thing? Seems like if you really wanted to stop you'd have considered this.

You really don't sound ready yet, you're not serious about giving up, not yet.

>>727587966
It's not a pissing contest. My biggest problem is speed, but I do opiates and benzos as well. I used to be very careful with all three. Lately I just do whatever I can get my hands on. I've been popping klonopins all night.

>>727588909
Nah he's just a pleb who has never had to come face to face with drug addiction. It's a real thing that happens to people of all walks of life and people like him are too shallow to realize that. They think it's something specifically designated for the poor or mentally ill.

Im sick too; waiting on my pack to land with my dillies. Good luck OP. You can only truly get clean if you want to. If you're at that point, the entire thing is easy as fuck. Seen so many people clean up because they were actually done and actually 100% wanted it.

>>727575032
you're lucky you can get stronger stuff. I take 16 pills of codeine a day for pain. my doctor won't up me to the next stuff. I hate codeine because it rarely works now

>>727589168
Then wait until you're coming down and desperate to act all high and mighty on someone else who is seriously looking for help with their problem. Must be easy to pass judgment from your throne of speed and pills.

>>727579509
300mg of hydro a day? gahhh damn hope u were cweing that shit go get ur liver checked.

>>727589421
Not lucky AT ALL man! Cut that shit out! You have no fucking idea of the pain it will cause you and your family if it gets worse.

>>727579509
had no idea lope was technically an opioid. makes since on how it always fucking helps lmao

Not sure how great of an idea but I helped my friend kick heroin and the way we did it was I just kept telling him to guzzle Nyquil until he passed out.

The Nyquil seemed to help a little bit and he would go to sleep or get really drowsy for a few hours at a time and then drink more.

He was miserable as hell- begging me for anything he could sell for some more smack every time he woke up until he drank more

Eventually he took some OTC sleeping pills and they helped too.

This went on for about 2-3 days until he was over being so sick.

Eventually he went home and slept for a few days- said it was dragons and shit.

>>727589845
Yeah it is. It does cross the bbb but it gets shoved right back out. Taken in huge amounts it can create a small morphine like buzz but it sucks and it's not worth it. It used to be prescription only and it's a matter of time before it's put behind the shelf like pseudofed.

OP here. Thanks for all the advice. Can see the threads about to die so I'd like to wish you all well! Love you /b/ros and this won't be the last from me I promise. I won't die this way.

>>727575032
I don't know if I'm typical but at one point I was homeless and had been sick for three days, sleeping on park benches and in the woods. Then, I got high and things were of course okay for about eight hours, but I woke up the next day sick as fuck. There was no way I was getting dope that day, took me three days to get any kind of money that last time so that I might as well have just kicked. And then I just started crying in the middle of the woods, fucking completely alone, being rained on, no one to talk to, no one to hug, and I realized how utterly, to the core, exhausted and sick of living like this I was. I walked three streets over to my mom's house and walked through the door and she asked if I was ready. I said yes and heaved it up in my room for a week. Applied for CC classes on day 8 and got a job and that was that, haven't been back. Don't think I ever will.

Idk how old a lot of you are who are addicted but I'm older than most I believe. It took me until 28 to clean up and I'm just getting my life going, just getting my degree at 32. I wasted my entire youth chasing that damn high. I watched my peers pass me by. I watched old friends get married from a distance. Watched them get great jobs and start beautiful families. Graduate college, buy houses, all of that shit. I've reconnected with a lot of them but they know who I am and what I did, they love me but I will always be behind because a) I'm a former addict that did a bunch of terrible things along the way and took 10 years to get clean, my youthful legacy, my salad days are completely tainted and b) I'm so far behind them in life that I can't relate on any level. I get invited to bars and parties and weddings but I am always on the outside.

I'm saying to anyone young and addicted that wasted youth is not fun. You'll be dealing with the consequences for years so get clean sooner rather than later and make something of yourselves, so that you aren't a 32 year old ghost.

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You have to be ready it's a timing thing. You need a place where you can do nothing for 2 weeks. You could go to rehab. I don't recommend going on subs. You'll just sell your subs for dope. It's possible and it's hard but it aint shit compared to life you're living.

>tfw you don't wake up dope sick
>tfw you aren't constantly running around trying to keep this charade up
>tfw you're just back to normally depressed and dealing with life

I quit opiates a while ago, but I still have drug problem. I know your struggle and I hope you guys don't end up like me. Apparently I can give advice to others but can't even follow it myself.

>>727589472
Projecting much? You are the one on your high horse. Congratulations though, you're a bigger druggie than me. That's something to be really proud of. How dare anyone else have demons of their own to deal with.

And you've clearly never crashed from a speed binge, because it is fucking hellish. You've clearly never tried to come off of benzos because it is hellish, and it can kill you if your habit is severe enough.

>>727589650
I have muscular dystrophy and arthritis there is no way i can cut it out. I tried weed, but the amount i need incapacitates me. I will switch once i can get stuff which won't wreck me.

I know it will wreck me, I already have depression and if i get the slightest bit sad the drugs elevate it to to a degree where i wanna hurt myself

All I know is Benzos were the hardest drug I ever quit. Coke was hard, heroin was hard, but the benzos and designed to make your body FREAK the shit out when you try and quit- your mind will go into a whole different world of terror and paranoia, fear, can't sleep - nightmares, etc.

Why do it in the first place, just smoke some weed or nothing at all

>>727586511
I fucking love coke! Which is why I stay a away from it. Three friends and I went through $10k of coke in one weekend a few years back. Be careful with it.

>>727587966
You're a retard. Coke effects dopamine. It is addictive. Not so much as opioids/opiates or amphetamines, but it is addictive due to having its dopamine effects.

That said, get out no drugs pleb

I'll use just about anything if it takes the pain away or kills time. Recently I've been abusing different drug combos because time goes by faster and it makes me feel better. I'm crashing right now but I have everything right in front of me. It's hard to resist.
>if anyone rolls dubs replying to this post I'll do another bump

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>>727590597
>You'll be dealing with the consequences for years so get clean sooner rather than later and make something of yourselves, so that you aren't a 32 year old ghost.

Nicely said. I'm not a fan of scared straight tactics but if I could tell my younger self something true it would be you don't need it. Whatever reasons you think you do, you actually don't you'll be fine.

If youre a new addict and romanticizing it I feel sorry for you. It's not cool. It's not fun. It's not something "normal" people do. Just stop man. It'll do so much damage in the long run for what? For tricking yourself into thinking you're a better person with it? No.

>>727591238
self roll because fuck it

>>727590727
Too bad I went to rehab for an 16 mg xanax and alcohol detox. I do know what it's like: your original post was spewing hatred towards a dope head for being "weak." I know exactly what all of that shit is like. YOURE the one projecting, and when you come down from your current binge you'll realize it. I wish you the best and hope you feel better anon.

Get some kratom goy.

Stop all that shit and just ride the lsd waves

>>727591195
I know that fag. It's mentally addictive not physically. It's a walk in the park compared to dope, which is both.

Drugs are starting to fuck me up pretty bad, sometimes I wake up and can't even remember what I took or what day it is. But I love it and I don't want to stop either. I'm starting to worry about my health because my skin is looking yellowish and I couldn't even finish a bowl of soup.

>>727588703
Bullshit. YMMV. I've gone days without kratom (as stated above, I usually take about 18gr a day) with no withdrawals. You have to be an idiot if you're taking more than an oz in a single day to go through withdrawals.

>>727591575
What are you using regularly anon? Drinking a lot too?

>>727575158
this sounds like a plan you should follow. there is no easy way out. good luck anon I wish you better days ahead .

>>727591407
it doesn't work for everyone and it does have its negative effects too.

I can only use it for about 7 to 10 days in a row for pain and pain relief is all it provides, but not the greatest amount.

I have to take 4g which lasts for 2-4 hours

>>727591709
This is true but to be fair, for someone who's never properly detoxed from opiates I can see how kratom withdrawal could suck. It's a walk in the park for you and me but for someone not knowing what to expect I can see how it would be terrifying.>>727591720

>>727589168
As a former opi addict, I like kpins. I like Valium even more. I hate xanax though. Shit just makes me sleep. I rarely take benzodiazepines tho. Shit, I have 4 of 7 kpins left from what I got 4 months ago.

>>727591720
I don't drink a lot, maybe once a week if anything. I did go through a phase where I'd drink half a bottle of whiskey every night though. I'm abusing a ton of different drugs, including RC's which is why I'm starting to worry about my liver. Usually I'll use stimulants throughout the day during the week, then opiates on the weekend. Forgot to mention Xanax too, I don't really abuse it on its own though. It's great for potentiating other drugs or reducing side effects

Do not do the 12 step program. I went to rehab for 3 straight months after getting arrested with a bag, and have been clean for 2 almost 3 years. The entire time they were trying to brainwash me into believing I was completely powerless. This way of thinking is counter productive and I have seen so many people end up a million times worse after trying the program. You have everything. With in you to be able to stop, you must find true power you never knew you even had.

>>727589511
No, I wasn't doing cwe on them. Plus I drink every night. I don't know how my liver still functions, but it does and I never had renal failure issues. I look back at my stupidity and consider myself extremely lucky. Guess it just wasn't my time.

>>727592069
What kind of RCs man? You're really playing Russian roulette with those.

>>727592134
I understand the pros and cons of a 12 step program. I feel like it would help because I have the power to take what I need and leave the rest. The problem is, you have all these guys with long term sobriety and they slip up
ONCE and "omg but m-much white chip!!" And end up ruining themselves with guilt over a relapse.

>>727592465
At this point I've chosen my addiction over my own life. I don't want to give it up, just fly high until I die lmao

>>727590004
It's the dextromethorphan. Not sure exactly, but I believe it effects the body's opioid/opiate receptors. It's a dissociative and kind of "resets" the tolerance. Dissociatives have shown to help with addiction in tests.

>>727592465
Less side effects like failing your liver (which is why you're experiencing jaundice)? No man, you're killing your self with those. RCs are absolutely horrible for you and you should stop.

>>727575032

Oh shit some 30s. !!

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>>727592692
Le go baby!!

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>>727592785
Lol gotta love them Roxie's bruh. Prefer heroin but they do in a pinch. I would rather get my 80s and fent patches though.

>>727590894
I understand with my 3 herniated vertebrae. Have you tried kratom or cbd? If not, try them. I haven't touched a painkiller pill in a long time now.

Also consider tramadol. Not only does it act as an opioid painkiller, it also has SNRI properties that can benefit depression. I can't take it because it makes me a hot,sweaty,raging asshole monster.

>>727591559
Dopamine withdrawal can cause seizures. So yes, it can also be physically addictive.

>>727593140
Sure but it's not typical. And a dope head is a lot worse off than a coke head.

>>727592652
Coke is short lived, MDMA has a nasty comedown and meth is pure shit, I'll never use it. So far the RC's combined with other drugs have helped me a lot, and I haven't felt as shitty as I normally would if I'd been abusing adderall or coke. I use a lot of different substances so I can't tell exactly which one is causing me to feel weird. It's a mental addiction. I have bags right in front of me and talking about it is making me want to do another bump. I'm Not making that much sense right now. As far as dying goes, I don't really mind the risk, I chose to start this habit in the first place

>>727591913
Even so, the wd's would be a walk in the park compared to wd's from H, or heavy oxy or hydros

>>727591709
This is not true, different strokes for different folks. Im 5'11" at 170 lbs and had alcohol withdrawals at 1 year. Day 40 sober... had severe increase in heart rate, dialeted pupils like i just dropped atleast 300ug of acid (did it once years ago, great time),massive tremors from fingers to toes, slightly blurry vision, pale skin/dehydration badly, nausia, physical pain/loss of muscle, and i believe i had a seizure after taking half a 10mg oxycodone for my pain (i might take a 10mg pill once every three months with my bud) whole body went stiff and i tried to open my eyes but they kept twitching and all i could see was white as i was unable to move my body at apl for a second and i had to pull myself up with will power alone! Day 40 clean and I'm never looking back. The only thing that sucks is that cannabis gives me panic attacks though they have been getting better. The only thing that sucks is I've had insomnia since i was 8 and i need cannabis to sleep for more then 6 hours and pass out when i actually lay down, not being trapped for 4 hours atleast in my own head.

I've been getting really paranoid recently and a couple people I know are making it even worse. It's like someone's watching me and wants to hurt me

>>727579639
Thanks anon (not op)

>>727593313
What part of YMMV didn't you understand? I'm the 300mg p/day hydro addict plus alcoholic. Like I said, ymmv...everyone is different. But you stupid ass reply had nothing to do with m. Speciosa.


Don't reply with bullshit about something you don't know about.

>>727593717
I guess but my dad was drinking more and longer then i was, time, age (brain isn't developed till your 25), weight, and height all plays a role. My dad didn't go through shit and again, he drank more for longer.

>>727578692
>thinking of it
that's why you can't quit!

>>727590597
im 28. Thanks anon

>>727575032
I joined the army, never looked back.

>>727575032

AN HERO

IT'S THE ONLY WAY OUT

>>727575032
Go to an ibogaine clinic

>protip: do it more than once

>>727595415
>protip: it will cost you thousands and there's no guarantee

Eventually it gets to the point where you're in so deep, you're wrapped up with legitimate criminals and lowdowns, you're homeless, you're sick all the time, you can't think straight, you're borderline crazy, you're miserable, you have no one, your mom hates you, your friends washed their hands of you, you are HIV+, you have warrants out for your arrest, you're being investigated in connection to a crime that carries a twenty to life mandatory sentence, that you just can't physically bring yourself to do anything but get clean.

>>727593002
Kratom is too weak and negatively affects md over time with respiratory depression and musuclar fatigue. I take is for 5 days in a row once a month to offset the opiods.

my doc can't/won't give me cbd, he never talked about tramadol, but i have read about it and I am unsure if it will lead to a benefit.

The problem is I can't see my normal doc because she is on half time due to kids and my cardiologist, resperologist and the like don't give meds like that out. He basically states that he only has 3 patients which get drugs higher than codeine and he can't see why i would need them

>>727575032
chug some robotussin

>>727575032

I died. That's how I got clean.

imo fuck heroine or meth. once you do either you're really never the same, its hard to forget that immense high and how floored you are.

One of my best pals was a heroine addict and thank god is clean now. Stick to benzo's hell get a prescription if you have to. Personally, Xanax, Bud, Booze will get me on an amazing level. I've done the life coach/ therapy / rehab bullshit and honestly none of it helps.

Self fucking moderation and discipline, you will never enjoy drugs to its fullest potential without them.

i've tried oxys before around 30 mg. Do you think thats even comparable to heroin in any way? I really like em but haven't touched em for like 7 months

>>727575032

Rational Recovery//AVRT

Seriously OP it will cure you. Quick. Was a RAGING alcoholic for 8+ years and quick cold turkey. All you have to do is ACTUALLY admit to yourself your ready to quit. Sounds like you are. If your not ready this will not work. Godspeed OP

>>727590571
Good luck man