What makes mentally ill right-wingers think they can just shoot

Victim was out numbered. Anybody trying to break into an American home should already know the odds of getting shot.

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>>727415888
>You can't light people up with machine guns just because they're stealing your TV.


That's where you're wrong kiddo

Eat shit commie, conservatives are in charge now

>>727415888
lol, he did the right thing, i'd of done the same.

>>727416077
this

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>>727416165

>>727415888
They fucking deserved it. Break into my house with a knife and you will get shot.

the robbers were armed.. if they're interested in only the TV why the weapons?

>>727415888
justified self defense - "stand your ground" will protect him from any prosecution.
he wasnt just walking down the street and decided to "gun down" these three low lives. they planned a home invasion and were killed is in the commission of this felony.
the driver coincidentally, is going to be charge with three counts of first degree murder now because of her involvement in the attempted robbery.
it was a good shoot.

You're able to shoot whoever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want. There are consequences for all actions, and in the event of a Home Invasion -- The consequences are just the clean-up and the conscience.

I identify as a leftist and if someone broke into my house I'd light them the fuck up. When you break into someone's house you threaten their safety and way of life and deserve to get filled with lead.

>>727415888
legally you can, if they're armed or threatening you

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>>727415888
>(((victim 1)))
>"victim"

god dammit, I can't stand lies.
the shooter is the victim, the robbers are violent predators.
they got what they deserved.

>>727416425
3 innocent teens are dead because some nutjob was waiting around all day waiting for a chance to use his assault rifle. Bullshit laws imo he should be jailed

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>>727415888
Pretty sure he only shot those that entered his home and were a threat to his safety. You know the little shits with the knife and brass knuckles, but did not leave his home to shoot the get away driver. Also just curious, where is the machine gun that was used, because it was just a semi-automatic, which is basically I bullet being fired per trigger pull. In case you are still confused the 2nd amendment gives him that right. Pretty awesome though that the get away driver is being charged with multiple counts of murder rofl.

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>>727416458
It's good to see the occasional leftist with common sense

>>727416666
shut up ya big fuuuckin pussy

>>727416666
nice try devil, but your quads exposed you.

>>727416666
nice quads, terrible bait

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>>727415888
Anyone, and I mean fucking anyone comes into my house uninvited for any reason, the get shot, end of discussion. I really wish the law extended to open property as well, but it doesn't. Too many of these teenagers think the can do whatever they want to someone else's things with absolutely no repercussions.

Pic totally fucking related.

>>727416666
These quads had better be bait. Surely nobody can be this stupid.

Every white person secretly hates all minority other than Asians. So them breaking into a house is just a good excuse to kill them......no one will openly admit it in real life.....but its true...why do you think white ppl have so many guns and ammo.....not because they just really like shooting targets.....we fantasize about a race war but we know the blacks or Mexicans would have to start it.....we couldn't be seen as the bad guys......redpilled on race

>>727415888
wish to one day have that look of satisfaction on my face too

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>>727416666
Your opinion is gay but you got quads

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>>727415888
>victims are the homen invaders
>shooter is the young man defending his home
>invaders literally brought a knife to a gunfight

>>727416666
Innocent armed robbers?

>>727415888

Ofcourse you can. And you should

>>727416666
He wasn't waiting around for a reason to use his AR15 jackass they broke into his home to steal his stuff and violate his sense of security

>>727416666
You sir, are severely under educated.

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>>727415888
"""""VICTIM""""" 1
((((((VICTIM))))))))) 2
[[[[VICTIM]]]] 3

>>727415888
>That's where you're wrong kiddo.

In freedomland, we protect our selves, and our homes.

Europoors will never understand what it feels like to be safe in ones own home.

>>727416854
It's funny because by saying all white people are racist, you yourself are being racist

Nice b8

>>727416738
Yeah dude sometimes I'm ashamed to call myself a leftist. Most left wingers are completely brain-dead these days. "Respect women but also being against FGM is Islamaphobic and racist!"

>>727416953
Not his sense of security. His actual fucking security.

>>727416854
No, it's because they don't want someone to enter their house, kill them, and steal their shit. Not only would that be embarrassing but they'd be dead, too. Race doesn't even matter. I guarantee if a white guy broke into some white racist gun nut's house, he'd be shot just the same.

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>>727415888
I'd shoot you if I could. You are a weak person.

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>>727415888
Christmas I thought I was the only one who felt thesee guys were too enthusiastic about killing someone
I'd threaten them for sure, fire warning shots, but I couldn't shoot someone unless they were making a move

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>>727416839
>Anyone, and I mean fucking anyone comes into my house uninvited for any reason, the get shot, end of discussion.

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>>727416854
fuck off gook...whites hate asians the most...they are some smelly reptile niggers

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>>727417040
Trips

>>727416666
>Innocent teens
>B&E
>Robbery
>Larsony
>Innocent
I'm sure those teens were straight A students who where goings to go to church after the robbery

>>727415888
but it's mine. if nothing else stops those vandals, you got to escalate it

today muh tv, tomorrow muh children, the day after muh rights

>>727416854
Also im 25 so not just some old hick redneck in the mountains. Most of us feel like this and laugh when you protest trump because if it gets to out of hand whites will trim the fat of America in about 30 days....nothing could stop us.....we out number you and out gun you....best to fall back in line

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>Live in a society that cherishes useless garbage over caring for another.

>Wonder why people steal or kill to protect their shit.

Are you guys retarded?

>>727416854
I hate Asians as well.

>>727416839
To be fair, what if it was a frail, confused-looking old man who probably has dementia?

>Too many of these teenagers think the can do whatever they want to someone else's things with absolutely no repercussions.
This. Teens become rebellious because they don't understand the consequences, and individual responsibility has been forgotten. When a teen thug is shot and killed, it is often blamed on the officer/citizen who shot them and the responsibility of the teen in question is not made clear to his/her peers. This is the issue. A clear disdain for the society and the rules that surround it.

>>727415888
>sees retards stealing shit
>ok you boys can steal this it's fine
nice logic there

>>727416854
lol, this is so true.

never give power to the poor or they will legalize theft and robbery.

>>727416839
Is that your piece? If so, nice choice. G19 is probably the best home defense pistol for the average person.

>>727415888
I'm a fucking Canadian and even I think these pieces of trash got what they deserved.

Break into someone's house because you want what they have? That's the same as trying to take their life imo. You're the invader, be ready to kill or be killed.

>>727416666
Where do you live? I'd love to come by and innocently take some of your things with my cuddle knife, unless of course you ask me nicely not to

>>727417270
It really is lol

My thoughts:
Legally, he had a right to defend himself with deadly force


Morally:
I find it very very likely he could have restored order and made them leave and never come back without killing them. If he walked in with a gun and said like freeze eu probably would have stopped and not like attacked him. He didn't HAVE to shoot them to get what he wanted: them to stop stealing his shit

>>727415888
>don't defend yourself, goy

>>727417050
If you can hear that someone is in your home uninvited, you don't know how many there are, where they are, or how much of a threat they are to you.

It is unfortunately safer to you to shoot first and ask questions later. If you give them even just a slight chance by firing "warning shots" and taking other considerate actions, they could seize an opportunity and eliminate you as a threat.

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>>727415888
actually yes

>>727416666
He was asleep when they broke in lol.. terrible bait, but I bit. Also, nice quads.

>>727417242
Honestly, if he's sound enough to try and break into my home, frail or not, he's sound enough to suffer the consequences.

>>727415888
>You can't light people up with machine guns just because they're stealing your TV
You not only can, you actually must.

>>727415888
Perhaps he was scared his wife and daughters would be raped and murdered by the intruders, like that other guy.

>>727417050
>fire warning shots
To where? Into the walls and furnishing of your own home?
Also, if it was in your home, chances are you don't have that much distance to them and they could stab you really quickly.

>>727415888
I'm genuinely stunned that two of the morons that got shot were white. I heard about this story on the news, but I had not yet seen their pictures.

Also, good for the guy that shot them. They really did deserve what they got. It's very likely they would have eventually ended up killing people, so the world is now a safer place without them.

>>727416165
>implying commies wouldn't shoot robbers too with their Slav Surplus rifles
not everyone who who is different than you is a commie, anon. But if you want to be with people who think like you, go back a few decades :)

>>727416666
innocent?! - fucking classic troll.

MODS...

>>727415888

nice trips faggot. an ar-15 is a semi-automatic rifle, first off. secondly, it depends on what exactly happened.. if they were charging him with a knife, he was definitely within his rights to shoot the fuckers. in some states, you can gun people down just for trespassing on your property.

im a gun owner, and i conceal carry.. i have no desire to shoot anyone, and if i can avoid it, i will.. i wouldn't shoot someone for stealing my shit, but if i legit thought they could harm or kill me or some other innocent, i'd ventilate them real quick.

>>727416666
extrasatanic bait quads

>>727415888
>AR-15
>machine gun

>>727417520
Judging by your character I'd say you keep your home pretty secure so I see your point. In my mind I was imagining an old guy just opening an unlocked front door and walking in, but in your case I suppose you'd have it locked.

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>>727417431
this well said sir.

>>727416666
nice b8. nicer quads.

>>727415888
Why are the criminals called "victims"?
Good thing those worthless scum are now dead.

>>727417349
Yes, it's mine. I did all the work on it myself. Did the engravings, TFX Truglo day/night Tritium sights, titanium slide takedown, titanium pins, stainless steel guide rod with 18lb pull to reduce recoil, extended slide release, extended mag release.

>>727417386
>I'm a fucking Canadian and even I...

It's sad that you even have to say this. May God bless you and save your nation.

>>727417314
They already did that. It's called taxes.

>>727417431
Were you there, Mr Monday morning QB? Are certain you could make someone leave? I known you can't because you already portray weakness of thought.

You're the part of the problem that's plaguing our nation; the pussification of the American male.

Fuck off and die faggot

>>727415888
>You can't light people up with machine guns just because they're stealing your TV.
Actually, you can.

>>727416458
Now all we need is people like you on the left to understand gun control just hurts people like us trying to protect ourselves and I'll have no problems with liberals minus the dillusions

>>727417777
holy shit this thread is trips and quads central

anyhow, get a S&W 500, easily best home defence gun if you can aim and don't mind breaking a bone or two

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-FG9ZKerGM

>>727417156
>Are you guys retarded?

Hell no! I agree with you. Those scumbags had it coming. I'm glad they got shot.

>>727415888
That's where you're wrong kiddo

>>727415888
Not even worth posting the bait.jpg

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>>727417431
Fuck that as far I see it they deserve to be dead.for some reason people seem to believe that we have some right to be alive as if there aren't like 6 billion of us.
They fucked up and suffered the consequence. If he'd let them go then they could have been in the news next week for robbing some old lady who died from a heart attack when she saw these fucks in her house.

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lol. Normal day in the US of A. Nothing to see here. Move along. :)

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>>727415888
>You can't light people up with machine guns just because they're stealing your TV.

Si se pueda

>>727417632

>Also, if it was in your home, chances are you don't have that much distance to them and they could stab you really quickly.
This. People don't realize how deadly knives can be in close-quarters situations.

>>727417853
You're right, I wasn't there, which is precisely why I used words like "likely" and "probably."

I was responding based only on the information I had, which was very little. It's entirely possible he really did have to shoot them but he PROBABLY didn't, and therefore shouldn't have. But he might have.i just don't know

>>727417709
RIGHT!!
I had a know drug attict break into my house while i was home, just him. I drew down on him and he stopped. no shots, he turned on a dime and ran .
Detectives praised my calm , they picked him up an hour later and he got 5 years on his parole violation.
but three invaders... no way would there have been the same outcome.

>>727417632
21 open feet is a safe distance, is the rule used by cops. Indoors, that number disappears. In close quarters, knives are considered as deadly as any other weapon.

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>>727417431

depends on the circumstances.. maybe they were on drugs and not acting rationally. maybe they charged him with weapons ( at least one had a knife ).

but i find it hard to believe the others didn't try to flee after he shot their buddy first.. if he shot them in the back as they tried to leave, then that's definitely manslaughter. they'd have to be real geniuses to still try and charge him after he's already lit one of them up with an AR.

>>727417709

that's me btw... i conceal carry and i frequently enjoy shooting sports..

pic related, my favorite rifle.

>>727417501
This, I'm 19 and live by myself. I also don't live in a great area. What I do have is a .40. You can best believe I'm shooting first. Race had absolutely nothing to do with this, but libtards live in "la la land"

>>727417431
>I find it very very likely he could have restored order and made them leave and never come back without killing them.
Why should he? More risky for him, they might come back etc. Given the following options: 100% save yourself and kill the thieves or 99.99999999% save yourself without killing the thieves - I say fuck them. He should use whatever force he has in his position to neutralize the threat as fast as possible. I remind you they had a knife.

>>727417735
Now in that case, no, I'm probably not going to start shooting, but it's also very rare that we leave our door unlocked also. Some old guy staggers in, obviously confused while we're eating dinner, that's a different story.

However, someone comes in through a locked door, I think it would be fair to assume that he's not there on accident and that would warrant my pulling on him. Even then, I like to believe I woukd give warning before just opening fire. Unfortunately in this day and age, that's not always possible though.

>>727415888
Assuming the story is true, he should be rewarded for his heroic deeds. Well done.

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>>727415888

Why did they break into that house when they occupants were at home?

>>727418130
/thread/

Why would you risk you're life to peacefully stop the intruders, when you have absolutely no idea what their intent is.

>>727417839
We're doing fine.

I'm still armed....
The way things are going in the states is much more worrying

>>727418053
tits or who fucking cares

ᶰᵉᵛᵉʳ ᵇᵘʸ ᵃ ᵏᵉʸᵇᵒᵃʳᵈ ᶠʳᵒᵐ ᵃ ᶜʰᶤᶰᵉˢᵉ ʷᵉᵇˢᶤᵗᵉ

>>727418033
You say probably like you're aware of the facts. You don't know shit...

Possibly. Might have been, but not probably....

Probably indicates a great chance than not and you don't know that. You are making predeterminations without facts

>>727417847
that's power to the rich shit head

>>727415888
hope you are a troll. Yes you can.

He is a fucking hero.
Good riddance you little fucks.
Will he get problems with the law?

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>>727415888
Right lol id just chain em in my basement and make them eat each other alive while i rape them with their own dismembered bones. Then i set up a live stream so their family can watch. Then i kill them burn my house to the ground and move on to kill more

>>727416979
Shit fuck feeling safe, I'd like to know that the law protects me when someone tries to murder me and a limp-dicked judge isn't going to throw the book at me for exceeding the necessary force.

>>727417776
Just imagine the pain their mothers must feel, knowing that their sons died because they were being absolutely idiotic- the pain that must arise when a mother loses her son because he deserved to die.

>>727415888
Yes... you can.

>>727417156
Yeah because human beings are notorious for caring about one another. Take that appeal to emotion shit to tumblr where it belongs.

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>>727416666
WAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAaaaaaa...... oh god i need a drink

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>>727416683

I wonder how that dumb shit Benjamin Franklin would think about airport security? I mean, why shouldn't people have the liberty to bring box cutters onto a plane?

>>727418305
Because they are people. Just because they're making a bad decision doesn't mean they deserve death. In fact, the crime for breaking in to a house is far from death. It's possible they could turn into productive members of society,

Did you not make any regrettable mistakes as a youth? Have you never ONCE trespassed in your entire life? What if the property owner had, within his every right, shot you then?

>>727415888
Oh, yes you can! The stupid bastards earned their Darwin Awards!

>>727418497
Ayy but you can't take the criminals parents into consideration when delivering justice. They are just not part of the equesion.

>>727417431
As the 3 dead robbers if it was moral of them to break into someone else's house with weapons in order to take someone else's belongings.

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>>727415888
>they can just shoot whomever they want?

My house is *my* house.
You don't have the right to enter, even less to steal, even less trying to freely get away with it.

They just learnt the hardest way the lesson they didn't learn from their parents & teachers.

>>727416666
Devil quads, obvious troll.

>Armed robbery
>Innocent

Gr8 b8

>>727416979
Trust me we do, we just don't need to use guns for it.

t. germanfag living in the country with lowest crime rate worldwide

>>727416839

>Anyone, and I mean fucking anyone comes into my house uninvited for any reason, the get shot, end of discussion.

Have fun getting 25 to life.

>>727418613
>Because they are people. Just because they're making a bad decision doesn't mean they deserve death.
They had a knife, that closes the deal. If they were unarmed it might had been even debatable, but fuck they carried a weapon and broke into someone's house.

I just hope they died in pain and not too fast.

>>727418384
Facts I know:

Among the three intruders , all arms included a single knife

The owner had a large assault rifle

Most people are rational enough to not try to overcome a man with an assault rifle when less well armed


Therefore, he probably didn't have to shoot them. But in the event they charged him(which I do not know whether happened or not) he absolutely should have shot them

I hope he sues the parents of the two minors. Parents are responsible for actions of their minor children. Sue their asses off for trauma and mental anguish.

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>having paranoid cops that constantly fear for getting shot by everyone
>America

Price of freedom, right?

>>727417050
>Warming shots

So give up your location
Put a bullet hole in the floor
1 less bullet in the clip
When you don't know how many Invaders there are or what their intent is? Life isn't a video game you don't go in knowing anything. It is safer to shoot to kill and know that the threats are eliminated.

>>727418613
>Did you not make any regrettable mistakes as a youth? Have you never ONCE trespassed in your entire life?
not with a fucking knife and not into someone's house.

>What if the property owner had, within his every right, shot you then?
No because I wasn't carrying a fucking knife and not in his fucking house. But if I had - absolutely yes.

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>>727417649
It was a nigger and two white kids because the two white kids were black washed by rap to drug deal, kill, and rape just as the niggers do

What makes mentally ill left-wingers think someone can just freely go inside someone's house and start stealing shit. Kill yourself you goddamn imbecile, sage

>>727415888

Who gives a shit. 3 less mouths to feed in the criminal justice system.

>>727418857
>Most people are rational enough to not try to overcome a man with an assault rifle when less well armed
Most people are rational enough not to break into houses with a knife....

>>727416165
I didn't know breaking and enter was a death penalty crime

>>727415888
>NYAAANYAAHAANAAHBLAHDERPYDERPDERP

Oooh starting of with a strong troll and hoping for bites, and lookie here we got a few dozen responses from the morons.

its a spiderman thread folks, postem

>>727419075
That's... Not a bad point

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>>727418039

i was in my car the atm in my town one evening ( my bank happens to be right next to the town police station ) .. two real shady looking, scrawny white dudes start walking up to my car.. hoods over their heads, hands in pockets... their eyes buggin' ... either crack heads , high, or adrenaline...

had my edc, glock 19.. one came around the drivers side, other on the passenger side.. one tried to distract me asking the time.. i raised my glock and rested it on my dash where they could see it... they both took off real quick.

usually just brandishing will deter most petty criminals.

>>727418857
You're making assumptions, again. 3 on 1 is never good odds, evendors if he was armed and they weren't, but they were...

That's the problem, shitheads like you see a news report and jump to conclusions not based on fact. Thinking they are Sick Tracey or some shit...

>>727417156
>Security and home
>Useless Garbage
How is high school coming along there champ? Are you doing good in your honors classes yet?

>>727416264
>i'd of done the same.
Retard doesn't know the difference between "of" and "have"

I'm sure you think "ares" is the same as "ours" too

>>727418731
Not in Texas

>>727418613
fuck people.

>>727415888
>You can't light people up with machine guns just because they're stealing your TV.
Why?

>>727417879
if you legally own a gun and have a licence for it and know how to use it then why would people have a problem with people owning guns.

Its the people without the licence and without the training that have guns that are the problem.

You NRA idiots seem to all think that gun control equates to 'taking mah gunz away' when in actual fact its just making you responsible for your guns and trying to prevent the people that shouldnt own a gun from having one. (Im talking about people with criminal records or mental illness)

Its not taking away your right to own a gun and shoot a gun, its giving you the responsibility, remember uncle ben 'with gun power comes gun responsibility'

>>727417050
Wrong, if you have a gun in your hands for defense it's because you have decided that your life is in danger. Shoot to kill. Anything less will lead to a lawsuit and you could end up facing time.

>>727419109

Castle Doctrine.

>>727418613
I don't know you personally, or your age, but assume for a moment you're old enough to have children. One of those children is a daughter.

You wake up in the middle of the night to muffled screens and crying. You come out into the hall and notice the sounds are getting louder the closer you get to your daughter's room.

In that moment,you have no idea what's going on, but it sounds like someone may be in there with her. Before leaving your room, you grabbed your sidearm just in case.

Upon opening the door, you see that your daughter is being restrained while someone is actively trying to rape her.

Do you grab the assailant, hold him down, and explain to him that rape is not the proper way to gain the affections of your daughter and let him state his side of the story?

Or do you shoot him without hesitation?

>>727417996
there are 6billion of us anon, no one will miss you either, im sure.

>>727415888

Everybody who has entered to other person's home without permission has already accepted the fact that he might get shot doing that.

>>727419329
They are right though. Most of the times "gun control" means taking away options. Like the law that states you have to use certain types of magazines in California.
I would be all for making the licensing better, but that's not a viable policy for a liberal politician to take and having ANY thoughts on changing gun policies as a republican politician is career suicide.

>>727416979
>Europoors will never understand what it feels like to be safe in ones own home.

Listen Americunt, anyone breaks into my home and it will be the biggest mistake of their lives it will also be the very last thing they ever do.

I don't need a gun or any other weapon for that matter, I'll do it with my bare hands and no-one will ever know.

I was in the RM for 14 years, live in the highlands of Scotland miles from the nearest neighbour, I literally don't give a fuck about anyone.

I'm not an edgelord, seriously, I live out here by myself for a reason.
An Englishman's home is his castle, my cellar could double as a dungeon in a heartbeat.

>>727416839
You are such a manly man. My underpants are moist.

>>727418731
Not the way it works in my state, boss.

>>727419365
Moral of the story is, always shoot to kill

>>727415888
Yes you can

You can also shoot pussy leftist faggots who think being racist is a justification for them to violently attack you

Enjoy your prison time or death

>>727415888
Yes they can, and they deserve it.

Stand your ground.

>>727419563
Enjoy your impending Sharia, sheep shagger

>>727419563
So what if they have a knife?
What if they're a group of 5 (((peacefull refugees))) out to culturally enrich your asshole?
What if there are 10?
The MAIN reason guns are so effective as house/self defense weapons is because of the fear factor. Not because they're so destructive.

>>727419563
Home invasion is a crime that only really happens in America, you'd maybe snag the occasional hiker.

Shit you're scary dude.

>>727418728
>German
>lowest crime rate worldwide

Try again friendo. Top 5 lowest crime rates in the world are:

>Switzerland
>Japan
>Singapore
>Iceland
>Luxembourg

Haha oh my I sure hope there is a hell

>>727419365
This. They can't say they were just boys being boys when they're DEAD

>>727419733
ever been to mexico?

>>727419563
You can be safe without guns. Makes sense if you're trained to do so, but it most cases, I'd rather have a gun than a butter knife.

>>727418613
Yes they are people, and it's sad that they died. But the outcome could have been that a completely innocent fellow might have been killed by them - which is a lot worse.

Do you prefer to live in a society where innocent people are afraid of their safety? Or criminals are?

>>727419483
Truth. I'm okay with it

>>727417431
This. A flash of a gun would send anyone but the most vicious, there-to-hurt-you criminals running for the hills.

But who knows. None of us were in his position. I know that if I felt my life was in danger I'd pull the trigger too.

>>727415888
If it were 3 black males entering, it would've be riot in the streeets and looting.

YOU ALL KNOW IT AMERICA

>>727419459
except add to that scenario and lets say that its dark, you hit your daughter as well. you killed her.


we can all make up retarded scenarios of what ifs.

What if you grabbed a length of 2x4 or a baseball bat, or that 18" black rubber dildo you like your wife to use on your ass. and beat the fuckers with that. he isnt dead, he just wishes he was, your daughter is saved. robber gets many black dicks in prison, not to mention you now have a hilarious story.

The question is; is your tv worth more than a human life? what about 3 human lives?
how about if your daughter was the get away driver?

>>727418894

If I can't get justice the legal way I would be taking the law into my own hands and kill every last motherfucker involved with that shit

>>727415888
Yeah I can.
Go ahead try to steal my TV

>>727419459
I probably would say "Stop what you're doing and put your hands up I have a gun." At which point if they did anything indicating hostility I would shoot them but would not if they complied.

For their sake but also for the sake of not murdering some people in front of my daughter

I'm a 21 year old childless guy by the way

>>727416165
Nice b8 m8

>>727419563
And if they have a gun?

>>727419990

So instead wait until they hurt/kill you or one of yours until you decide to pull the trigger. Good luck with that m8.

>>727417349
ive got a 1911 colt commander for my beside and its a nice fucking choice imho, but nice g19 for sure

>>727419957
Only where nignogs collect their welfare for heroin. Let them burn those cities to the ground only nignogs live there.

>>727418613
>Just because they're making a bad decision doesn't mean they deserve death.
So according to you, when someone who crosses the street without looking and gets hit by a car it's not his own fault?
Actions have consequences. And when you make a decision that causes stress and fear in someone and he lashes out to defend himself you've got only yourself to blame.

>>727419729
I've been trained to disarm no matter what kind of weapon they have. I can conceal, then kill and lose their body in the Loch outside the front of my croft, the Atlantic will take them away.

5 of them, or 10? Holy fuck you're a paranoid nation of cucks aren't you!

You want to scare people away with guns? I was trained to kill with them, that's what they are for, that's what they've always been for.

If you've got a gun and you're a scared little pussy, then blast away and reinforce the catastrophic gun statistics your country has. Any other nation on Earth would have seen years ago that your people are not able to use guns safely.

>>727419109
You didn't? Did you also not know that you're a faggot?

>>727415888
But an AR-15 isn't a machine gun you ignorant mong

>>727420143

They burn it down, so you don't have toooooooooooooooo!!!!

>>727419990
That is such a faggy way of thinking. Hopefully someone breaks into your house and possibly murders your family. Maybe then you'll understand that the criminals should live in fear and not the law abiding man, who was taking care of his SICK FATHER

>>727415888

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Lil faggots got what they deserve.

>>727419990
No, but the safety and sanctity of my home is worth it.

As far as what if my daughter was the get away driver, as much as I love her, I can honestly say, I hope they try her as an adult, because she was raised better than that.

>>727415888
>You can't light people up with machine guns just because they're stealing your TV.

Actually, yes, yes you can. In some states its actually legal to gun them down the second they cross your property line as well.

>>727419854
Another country with a real gun problem.

>>727420248

Seconded.

>>727417050
>Warning shots

This has to be bait, but lets walk through this:

>I hear someone breaking into my home
>Number of assailants unknown to me
>I fire "warning shots" to scare them away
>Suddenly I can't hear anything because firing a gun inside a house isn't like the movies. It will literally deafen you temporarily or even permanently cause hearing damage
>Intruders don't heed my "warning shots"
>I now cannot hear anything and have no idea where they are or if they're still in the house
>They come in to kill me because I pissed them off, they think I was "attacking them" with my "warning shots" but they didn't get shot, so now they're pissed
>Also, there's no way of knowing whether these individuals were on mind altering drugs, where "warning shots" wouldn't do anything
>Also, my "warning shots" went through the walls and killed my neighbors or my dog downstairs
>Now I'm deaf, dead, and my dog/neighbors are dead. The three kids steal my shit, rape my body, and then leave and go smoke some more meth.

Never, ever, point or fire a gun at anything you do not intend to kill.

>>727415888
I wish that shooting people was still legal in my country too, unfortunately if we want to off some idiots coming in our house, we can only use the same force as they do. So knives, axes, swords, chains, baseball bats, planks, planks with nails, brute force and driving a car over them seems to work pretty well and makes it all a fun competition.

Usually it's slow to kill the burglar with these means so cops come around just when you are winning hard and having fun.

We used to have fun laws here too back in the day. If the criminal was a gipsy, you could legally kill him (usually by shooting) and if you scalp him and show it to cops as proof of kill, you would get paid. There was also no requirement to bury the gipsy after that, you could just throw the body in forest or where ever.

Also Jews and 'those who believed in ways of Mohammed' could not own land and they also were not allowed to dig gold etc. They could live in peace if they paid the rent in time and kept their faith to themselves.

Good old times... Keep being great again 'merica.

T. Anon from Anonland in Europe

>>727418728
lol, good one.

>>727420045
>I'm a 21 year old childless guy by the way
I guess that's why you have no clue how a real situation like that would play out.
And you still have the guts to extrapolate your situation as a healthy young fearless man to any situation where someone might be in danger.
You can defend yourself with proper training without a gun. What about an young woman who's about to get raped?

>>727420220
This

>>727419879
You don't need a butter knife Anon, humans are just loose bags of skin that burst easily.

>>727420266
Fucking rekt.
Thankyou for being a good citizen anon

>>727420346
>planks with nails

What the fuck do you live in Lithuania or something?

>>727419990
>The question is; is your tv worth more than a human life? what about 3 human lives?
>how about if your daughter was the get away driver?


Yes, my possessions are worth more than criminal lives. My daughter wouldnt be the driver as I wouldnt raise a piece of shit. Shove your knee jerk BS up your ass

>>727417156
lol where the fuck do you live autist, the moon?

>>727415888
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good.

>>727420296
This

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I can get that. What I dont get is how they can be okay with raping children. Its like you have to be a pedophile to be republican.

>>727416854
Are you so fat in person you type like you talk?

>>727420104
In the UK that's really, really unlikely.
We don't have burglars armed with guns, I don't think I've ever heard of one here.

As I stated before I was trained to disarm and kill with whatever I have, they have or failing that my hands.

>>727419563
Haha bullshit basement dweller. Yeah, you live in the Scottish Highlands.

Let's get a pic with timestamp.

>>727420195
We got us here a man dress wearing Billy O'Badass here! Yup, you is a killer alright... Highly trained by government and you are her on /b/. Totally believable...

>>727420195
I'm sure you're a navy seal and all that and thus you have no reason to be afraid of anything.
Not everyone has that privilege, like women, who are biologically incapable of achieving the same level of strength as a man, or old people who struggle to get out of bed without pain.
What would you say to those people? Sorry, better just learn how to defend yourself against a potential rapist or thief without anything.

>>727415888
Oh yes we can

>>727420296
Cannot agree more. A lot of people on this thread, having opinions on a situation they clearly know nothing about.

>>727420625
Haha, sorry Anon, you lose, that's exactly where I am and that's exactly who I am.

Thank you for playing, but sadly you go home with nothing.

>>727415888
I've seen some dumb shit on /b/ and this post is up there.

How autistic do you have to be to think 3 masked, armed home invaders are innocent?

You're stupid as fuck, OP. Legit mental retardation. I hope you get gang raped by sand niggers so hard you cum from it.

>>727420434

This. Criminals are not to be considered as members of society or people

>>727420195

kill yourself faggot. you can't disarm someone who's standing 15 yards from you, unloading 10 rounds of 45 acp into your chest. good luck with that you fucking retard, tough guy wannabee.

sure, the purpose of firearms is to fire projectiles at whatever target you point them at. however, millions of times a year, in the USA, due to over 320 million people.. firearms are DRAWN but not fired, yet simply brandishing them, stops or deters a criminal from continuing their crime / assault. when / if it doesn't, THEN you cap their dumb ass. pretty simple. you don't like other people being armed? k. come and take em tough guy.

>>727415888
I live in Germany and i am fairly happy when i think about our gun-regulations. I've never once had a situation in my life where i thought "oh shit, i might get shot" and i believe it's thanks to our laws regarding firearms.

HOWEVER - i 100% believe that if your home is being intruded on, you should have the right to fucking shoot em. I don't. In germany, if i hurt someone who is trying to break into my house, i might actually get in trouble.

"But, your honor, my client is a desperate heroin-junkie who had no choice but to steal in order to get his next fix. He didnt deserve to get clubbed in the head with a baseball-bat."

This is literally something that could hold up in court and i might end up in jail for defending my home. THAT is retarded.

>>727420622
unlikely =/= impossible
And I'm sure you can disarm someone from 40 feet away while he's aiming a gun at you.

>>727415888
Good thing he didn't use a "machine gun" then, huh?

>>727415888
>What makes mentally ill right-wingers think they can just shoot whomever they want? You can't light people up with machine guns just because they're stealing your TV.

Wrong

>>727419544
Im sure how you frame and present the policy would be key.

far too many spin doctors in america, so present it in a way which doesnt allow for that.

Start by saying that every gun bought or acquired after a certain date requires that you also have a license for it. licenses could be aquired for older weapons for $5, new weapons - free as long as you dont hold a criminal record.

Also the license fee from older weapons entitles every gun owner to x amount of sessions at shooting range. they have to pay for own bullets.

It becomes a crime to possess an unlicensed weapon, this begins after a transition period of perhaps a year.

You are now accountable, you have learnt how to use your weapon.

It has minimal cost to implement. the only people that lose out are traders in illegal weapons, and those now caught with illegal weapons.

>>727420583
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>727416839
The cringiness of your retarded post gave me super aids. I hope you're happy with yourself faggot.

>>727418857
The three armed intruders had already assaulted his father.
This is more than reasonable grounds to fear serious injury or death, either for his parent or himself.
Thus, he was justified in shooting; warning shots or "shooting to wound" are not realistic in that situation as they could leave him both vulnerable to attack and also liable for medical costs.

>>727420924
Hush it's bait, we're just here to shitpost. Keyword "machine gun"

>>727418920
>clip
its a magazine you dip

>>727418053
Actually, if you kill one bandit and let others escape, they can come back later, better prepared and better motivated. So it's better to be safe than sorry and leave no witnesses.

Is there a full length picture of the shooter. I need it for the life sized bronze I'm having commissioned. For my true American heros gallery. Good shooting is a thing of beauty.

>>727416839
The soccer mom minivan of pistols.
"When you have no taste and want to just fit in, Glock."

>>727420652
>I'm sure you're a navy seal and all that
No, I was a Royal Marine.

>you have no reason to be afraid of anything.
Quite the reverse, I live out here because I no longer am able to play nicely with others.

>Not everyone has that privilege,
Being/feeling safe is not a privilege, if your country is this dangerous then it's time to do something about it, I wouldn't live in the states, you all think your country is free and so are you, but it isn't so.
Look at your post Anon, you like all the other yanks on here sound scared of what's right outside your front door. When I lived in the big city, I was never afraid to go out, neither was my sister or niece. There are no roaming bands of sharia police or muslim rapist wandering the streets here, there are also no countless millions of guns in the hands of criminals.

Troll thread. But to be honest here is my question. If only one of them had a knife, couldn't he have stopped shooting when that person was dead? Unless the rest rushed him instead of running that's when I'd stop. Bullets are expensive right now.

>>727421130
Try, Oklahoma tribunes or some shit. This is what a man looks like

>>727421265
It's easier to kill all 3.
How do you know what they have on them or what they are thinking. Also you can get in trouble for wounding these retards if they live.

Also let's say one of them does live. Now theirs a higher chance of him coming back for revenge...

>>727421142
There light weight and fairly accurate in a hurry. Only semi auto handgun that's inherently more accurate out of the box is the Jericho 941 and for a 9mm those are pretty heavy.

>>727415888
>machine gun
Yeah, sure, semi-automatic is a machine gun. Go back to your fucking safe space, faggot.

>>727421300
I should start a fucking go fund me for this kid. To make sure he can go to college. He is among or most gifted citizens.

>>727417919
Really really bad idea

>>727420877

at least you are rational enough to realize you have a right to defend yourself and your home.

surely, you are rational enough to consider that CRIMINALS don't obey LAWS... hence they also do not obey GUN LAWS.. criminals still obtain and use guns in crimes..

the average american is not worried about getting shot.. our overall violent crime rate is similar to most developed countries, including eu countries. there are certain large cities, with very high population densities, and high poverty levels, where violence is much worse than the rest of the country.

most of us just enjoy exercising our right to keep and bear arms.. mostly for sporting purposes, or on principle.. but it doesn't hurt to be prepared in case something like a home invasion did happen.

>>727421549
I was thinking the same thing. He should be rewarded for what he did and not persecuted. He is a law abiding citizen, who gets to live another day. These fucktards were all most likely to live a shit life of crime.

>>727420296

Depending what you shoot, your ears will be fine. Spent 8 yrs as 0311 in the military, have shot 5.56 and 9mm from inside houses will no ear protection. Ears ring pretty good, no deafness.

Warning shots are dumb as fuck. I hate when ppl suggest that, or suggest you shoot them in the leg. Like ppl don't know that the Femoral artery is there.

>>727421244
>>No, I was a Royal Marine.

No, I was a cook in the Royal Marines. Fixed that for you Jessie

>>727421527
>Yeah, sure, semi-automatic is a machine gun. Go back to your fucking safe space, faggot.
Nah man, jewscasters say it was a FULLY semi-AUTOMATIC ASSAULT Rifle.

>>727420843
>unloading 10 rounds of 45 acp into your chest.
Sorry Yank, they aren't as readily available to criminals in this country as they are in yours, that's a problem that only you have to worry about.
If someone is approaching my croft my dogs will bark long before they're closer than 400 yards.

>you don't like other people being armed? k. come and take em tough guy.
I didn't say you couldn't have them, I said you shouldn't have allowed a system that allows the criminals to be armed too.

It's true Anon, you amerifags don't understand irony, you challenge me to take your guns, I don't want them, but your challenge makes you sound more like the "fucking retard, tough guy wannabee" than myself.

>>727420903
>disarm someone from 40 feet away while he's aiming a gun

So now the house is actually not a house but a large courtyard covered by a cogent marksman?

It's this kind of fretful shit I can't get my head around; the constant moving of goalposts to defend their misuse of guns.

What if instead it was a common situation the happens commonly rather than whatever your paranoia can cook up?

>>727421244
But you do have Nazi skins and antifa going around stabbing people. Same here in America. In New York of all places a pair of antifa twins were beaten with brass knuckles by a gang of skins. A pair of brass knuckles was left behind and found by police. Also one had been cut with a switchblade. It was a dozen on 2 situation. Over a sticker on a phone.

>>727420903
Sad news, I don't need a living room that's 40 feet long, if someone does get in my front door they'll be a fucking lot closer than that.

>>727418366
Invalid invoking of the rule. She did not try to use her gender for any purpose.

But can we see those tits anyway?

>>727421668

He is not being persecuted. They found him acting in self defense, his state laws also cover him too for that. So he is not guilty.

>>727417156
I would be with you if they didn't have weapons, but this could have easily gone the other way

>>727421668
I'm making tee shirts today with his face on them. I'll keep it reasonable 4$ a piece. All profits to his college fund.

>>727416854
You know all the would be robbers were white? How the hell does race enter in to this shit?

>>727418497
Then raise your kids right. Mom deserves the pain.

>>727421098

"leave no witnesses" .. lol i would not be worried about them coming back. if you're defending yourself legally, you don't worry about leaving witnesses.

look, i'm as strong an advocate as there is for keeping and bearing arms.. and for the right to self defense. but i am also a person of principle.. and i believe in the non-aggression principle. the only ethical use of force, especially deadly force, is in self defense. if the imminent threat to your life is over, then you stop shooting.

that being said.. there is some possibility an intruder could flee your home, get a weapon from their vehicle, and come back.. but i'll take my chances as far as that goes.. more than likely, once someone starts shooting at them.. they aren't going to want to come back.

>>727416996
What does it even mean to be a leftist anymore? They've been held up as the "pro-civil rights" crowd since as long as I could remember but not only is that a lie, these days it's totally irrelevant.

The civil rights movement is over, gay people can get married, and whites (including hispanics) only commit 48% of hate crimes despite being 78% of the population so all the left has remaining is shitty economic & foreign policies and the outrage movement of the week.

>>727418608
2a doesn't protect box cutters

>>727421696
I wish it would've been an M-16 or M4

>>727418731
You never researched the law did you...

>>727421812
>But you do have Nazi skins and antifa going around stabbing people.
No there is not. I don't know where you get your news from Anon, but that is not happening anywhere I know of.

>>727421676
True, I may have exaggerated a bit, but the ringing is definitely loud enough that it would impede your ability to hear someone creeping up on you in a home.

>>727421130
Honestly though, he fired 3 shots and killed all 3 in the house, one was still alive after but crawled out of the house and died on the lawn. 100% accuracy ftw. And the whale that was in the get away car is the one that actually new him and planned the robbery, so she got stuck with 1st degree murder + B&E all times 3

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>>727415888
Too bad he didn't shoot the mastermind and getaway driver too! One less genius is not a bad thing...

>>727421812
Two people aren't a gang there also wasn't a dozen people
You completely lied about the story

>>727420557
Daily reminder that NAMBLA financially supports democrats

>>727422310
Hot, but she's no mama june...

>>727421142
If you prefer, I can post a pic of my Colt .45 MK IV Series 80. It's stainless, not the blue steel version. It's just a little to heavy and cumbersome to etc.

>>727415888
As someone who has shot and killed an intruder in a house I've owned in the past just as they were walking out of my kitchen with a trashbag full of my cutlery and a few hundred dollars, I can safely say yes.

Yes I can punch fuck-tons of holes in the next cunt who tries stealing my fucking penny jar.

>>727421244
Ok fine, only Royal Marines should be restricted from owning guns.

>>727421717

there are criminals in your country that still obtain guns. criminals don't follow gun laws. it's a false premise to think you can end crime through legislation. it's more important to ensure the rights / liberty of law abiding individuals. it's impossible to entirely remove guns from a society or totally prevent criminals from obtaining or simply making their own. ( maybe you've heard of zip guns ).

i know it might be hard for you to understand, but here we value ensuring individual liberty, so if that means an unwillingness to sacrifice everyone's rights, in a failed attempt to limit the ability of criminals to obtain weapons, so be it.

in the US we have the "war on drugs" .. lots of drugs are illegal here. yet criminals still get them. imagine that.. i suspect you can still obtain illegal drugs in your country too... imagine that eh.

hey you're the one claiming you're some tough guy, former marine, who's too dangerous or unhinged to live near the general population.. and you're surprised when your bullshit gets called? hah!

>>727421925
Still, if an attacker fled your house, it doesn't necessarily mean you life is no longer in danger. As I said, he might just give another try, but this time he knows the house layout, knows you, knows that you are armed and willing to shoot, and unless he is a dumb negro, he will prepare himself.

>>727415888
The hell I can't fuck you. People are just animals. I'll blast anyone's head off if they break into my home

>>727421502
I'll take CZ 75 for $600 Alex

>>727422721
You're fake news mate.

>>727416264
>I'd of

I agree with you, but keep your illiterate mouth shut. You make the rest of us look bad.

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>>727422662

>my fucking penny jar.

NIGGA WHAT lol

>>727415888
Yeah you can.
They've in your house stealing your TV. What are you gonna do, ask them to stop?

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>>727422227
Literally the best possible outcome.

>>727422739

unless he's a dumb negro.. he's not going to come back to get shot at again.

>>727422581
I didn't say it was a bad gun, I said it was boring.

>>727417632
Also it's illegal to fire warning shots. Instead shoot person with knife first or if they haven't pulled a knife point the gun at them and tell "get the fuck out" and if they don't then start shooting. If one goes to pull a gun remember that it actually takes a a couple seconds more to pull a gun and acquire the target than to just acquire a target and blow it away.
You're making a lot of trouble for yourself and paperwork for the police if you just pull the trigger without first giving them a choice.

>>727417674
>implying there are robbers in communist paradise
communism btfo

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>>727415888
I call bs

>>727422921
How don't you understand anon, this time you might be the one to get shot at.

>>727422952
Well, I got it because it's accurate, reliable, and easy to conceal, not because I was trying to make a fashion statement.

>the mentally ill side is the side that doesnt condone chopping your genitals off and or chemically castrating yourself likely before you're even legally an adult, just because you cant man up

toppest of keks

>>727423089
Google the story retard.

Just listened to the 911 call

>>727416458
>>727416738
>>727417879
There are plenty of gun toting liberals, counting myself. Not everyone fits neatly into a category.

>>727423226
There was nothing linked and no information given, RETARD, which is why I resorted to an image search.

Faggot.

>>727415888
What made them think they could just steal someone else's property and get away with it?

>>727418277
this fucking power ranger mother fucker just shows up and busts his skull like what the fuck is he the subway enforcer?

>>727418613
They made a fatal decision, not a bad one. A bad decision is not turning in your homework on time. A fatal decision could be invading a random American home. Fatal decisions result in death.

>Trespassing
Sure, but I was smart enough to do it at night on commercial property that didn't have security guards without attempting additional felonies/misdemeanors.
Survival of the fittest (and those not dumb enough to invade homes)

>>727419109
Breaking and entering while the owner is home can easily escalate to the owner getting murdered. Genuine fear for your life is justification for self defense.

>>727418613
>Have you never ONCE trespassed in your entire life?
no, I haven't, because I could have gotten fucking shot. so when I see signs that say PRIVATE PROPERTY NO TRESPASSING, I turn around and leave. and I don't just stroll into strangers' houses either. dumb fuck head

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>>727423097
just dong hang out around dangerous and unpredictable people huh.

If you dont steal shit that isnt yours, you have a greatly reduced chance of being shot and killed. End of story.

Obvious troll is obvious

Shooting was completely justified

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>>727420583
Rekt

>>727418894
In that video I'd have to find for the cop. That guy gets out of the car, is repeatedly told 'show me your hands' and when he gets out he's holding a 'black object' in both hands together, like you'd hold a gun. From a distance, at night, a cop could reasonably believe he had a gun. If you don't believe me, watch the video again, and pay close attention to his hands as he gets out of the truck.

Yeah, it sucks that he got shot and he WAS unarmed, but it's not the cops fault.

>>727418613
CRIMINALS SHOULD FEAR FOR THEIR SAFETY AND THEIR LIVES AT ALL TIMES WHILE COMMITTING CRIMES

INNOCENT CITIZENS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO FEAR CRIMINAL ACTS UPON THEM AND SHOULD NOT NEED TO FEAR REPERCUSSIONS FOR ELIMINATING THREATS TO THEIR SAFETY

END OF DISCUSSION. CRIMINAL? DIE. NOT CRIMINAL? LIVE LONG AND PROSPER

>>727423767
This.

>>727415888
Damn right you should be able to shoot burglars

>>727416573
Noooo
They dont need to be armed OR threatening you... just the fact that they broke into your house gets them a one way ticket to the morgue

>>727423127
Fucking a butterface is still fucking but like... later on you realized you just closed your eyes and masturbated but inside another person. You don't go back and jerk off to that time you jerked off.

>>727423745
Who these days doesn't know if you do stuff like that to a cop, they'll gun your ass down?

>>727418728
>>727419749
He didn't say he was living in Germany

>>727416666
(You)

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>>727416666
>innocent teens

I didn't know this was a blm thread

>>727423357
But there was retard. OKLAHOMA SHOOTING.
Don't strap your helmet on so tight

>>727423357
There is plenty of information:
>Three masked robbers armed with a knife die after homeowner's son opens fire with ar-15
>Three 'victims'
>One shooter
I bet you have a mac, you faggot
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Three+masked+robbers+armed+with+a+knife+die+after+homeowner%27s+son+opens+fire+with+ar-15

>>727423941
Doesnt chabge the fact that they broke in to a place they didnt belong, to take shit that wasnt theirs. Zero pity.

>>727418277
Seen that webm about a hundred times now and I still pop a boner from it

>>727415888
I would have killed them, and i would have slept well that night.

>>727417156
You own a home?

>>727417431
/thread

>>727418894
He was shot because he didn't comply.
He tried to sue them because he was retarded and doesn't know you're not supposed to act without direct instruction if you don't want the twitchy cop to shoot you.
He should've died.
World would've been a smarter place.

>>727418894
because the best thing to do when you get pulled over is jump out of your car with a dark object in your hands... even when he was on the ground getting shot he still held it like you would grip a pistol with both hands trying to aim. and i thought you had to be smart to join the air force.

>>727415888
It was probably Trumps extremist rhetoric. I wish Trump realized what damage he has done to this country and the communities we all live in.

>>727418613
I did break the law sure but I never broke into someone's house armed with a knife. This wasn't simple trespassing or urban exploring man they were there to take his shit with deadly force if needed that is completely different than just walking on the grass and you know it

>>727415888
Weak bait you faggot. Those cunts deserved to get turned into fucking swiss cheese.

>>727418613
I've trespassed before.

I wasn't carrying a knife.

It wasn't during the night.

I wasn't stealing.

I wasn't shot.

Funny how that works, huh?

>>727421081
Was thinking for handguns which is what most gun owners have AR15s are in the news alot but not typical

>>727424702
lol
Clip is almost never correct.
(unless your rifle is a senior citizen)

>>727419109
The death penalty is only seen as a contentious issue because the criminal has already been subdued and detained. During an armed burglary there is a reasonable assumption that your life is in danger especially if the break-in occurs at night because the invaders would expect you to be home.

>>727424702

handguns also take magazines, not clips lol. you know what takes a clip? an m1 garand.

>>727424469
hah

>>727424469
If you go far enough back you can blame some amoeba for splitting in two.

>>727424469
Nope. It was definitely climete change that caused this.