If you can give me a valid reason why gay people shouldn't

give equal rights to civil unions
dont call it marriage
also the fucking niggers should not be allowed to drink from my fountains

FUCKING TUMBLR FAGS AND SHILLS GTFO REEEEEEEEEEE

Give me a reason church should be seperate from state, not involving religion. Do you see the issue?

>>727220085
In civil grounds I stand with you, but you are aware that most people are fighting against the in church marriages right?

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>>727220085
Here ya go

>itt: edgy middle-aged neckbeards

>>727220585
My point is; marriage is a religous practice with legal benefits. In order to solve this issue either the legal benefits should be removed entirely or delegated to civil unions, classing marriage as a civil union along-side that. This would ensure that everyone gets equal rights while maintaining marriage as a sacred practice. Problem solved.

>>727220085
>why gay people shouldn't get married
Because marriage is a stupid institution where someone can divorce you and half your stuff.

>>727220592
and who the hell cares. Religion is on its way out with this next generation.

>>727220085
I can't

>>727220085
gays aren't people

>>727220085
>>727221680
No answer OP? Fucking rekt

I'm gay and I'd like to get married because it is a beautiful tradition. And I wish to be accepted by people.

>>727222347
Are you religous?

>>727220085
I'm gay and I like guns and proud to accept the fact that Donald Trump is my president

>>727222452
I just believe in my own version of God, not really in Christianity's version.

>>727222527
So yes?
Religion =/= christianity dipshit

>>727220085
>>727222150
rekt rekt rekt

why oh why do gay people who have no regard for god insist on participating in a religious tradition lmao.

oh god here it comes, a bunch of fucking 4channers trying to convince me that marriage has nothing to do with religion and never did.

>>727222587
I'm not gonna talk to you 'cause rude.

>>727220085
Christianity's goal is to get more people saved and baptized. Since most churches aim hate toward gays, they're just ruining their cause.

>>727220653
>let me take studies that are super outdated and too small to make any scientific sense and use them as fact

plus the logical leaps that they make are absurd

0/10 please try agian

>>727222527
Sure that would be like any non-Jewish person wanting a Bar/Bat Mitzvah.

>>727222587
Marriage is a specifically Christian practice dipshit, think twice

>>727221680
>>727222150
>>727222680

Your post is not clever. Stop samefagging.

Because it's fucking gay

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>>727222840
>Marriage is a Christian practice

>>727222840
>specifically Christian practice
So where are you going with this, Anon?

>>727220085
who the fuck wants to get married outside of the legal/tax benefits?

Aids sucks

>>727222898
Samefagging? No pretense on my part, you were rekt by me.

>>727222840
>Marriage is a specifically Christian

what are Romans?

>>727223091
He didn't say he wasn't religous, he said he wasn't Christian which was the implied question.

>>727220653
>someone typed that all out because they are mad about people being gay; for whatever reasons.

please. what is wrong with people?

Even if someone gives me a good reason why gays can't be married I'd still rather be on the side with the fruity drinks instead of the side with inbred fucktards.

>>727220085
Let them get married. Fags can then pay for a divorce and child support just like straight men.

>>727223522
chequed

>>727222731
*crickets*

>>727223374
Not even OP. Everyone in this thread was too embarrassed for you. I had to tell you.

are there many pro gay religions?

>>727223680
well, he was rekt by me.

>>727223771
almost all of them besides the big 3

>>727220435
Are there any legal difference between these civil unions and marriages? Or are they exactly the same thing with exactly the same rights, transferable to all 50 states, only difference being the name?

>>727223935
Survival of the fittest

>>727222458
Also, I'm not the "I'm born with gay" bullshit. Being gay is a choice tbh

>>727224043
no, its bad for divorce and it has worse tax rates

>>727224098
acting on being gay is a choice

>>727224098
So why did you choose to be atracted to men?

>>727220592
>but you are aware that most people are fighting against the in church marriages right?

No, they are not. No one is knocking down the doors of the Catholic church asking to be gay married under god. All the fags wanted were equal rights and protections under marriage law - and they got it.

>>727224208
This

>>727224180
I know that - I'm asking hypothetically to the anon who suggested it.

>>727224212
Too beta for girls

>>727224212
Kek

>>727224336
So are you attracted to girls?

>>727224379
*were
Idk

>>727224098
lol - I'll play along.

It may be a choice for you to engage in sexual activity or romantic relationships with men - same as it's a choice for straight men to act on those desires with women. But you don't choose the attraction.

>>727224419
What? The fuck is wrong with you? That's not how it works...

>>727224419
*you could be bi

>>727224477
Good point

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>>727224561

>>727220085
Let them be miserable like the rest of us.
But I say they cannot adopt children if they have none from a hetero marriage. They wanted to have an unnatural relation that would produce no offspring, so they should not be able to contaminate others kids.

Im a Fagbo Slice and dont want to get married cos Im not religous

>>727224763
It's not hard.

>>727220085
Marriage is a sham institution that fucks up good relationships

>>727220085
Okay, first give me valid reasons why the state is involved in marriage in the first place as it is a religious rite, and I shall give you medical evidence against homosexual marriage.

And just because I'm a good sport, here's a Physiological reason: there is no Homosexual Gene that produces a biological trait that denotes one as homosexual. Being a deviant requires only actions as actions are the only true test as to whether one is normal or sexually deviant. Basically, homosexuality, as part of biology, does not exist. For there to be a Homosexual Gene, there must be a way of transmission to said person's posterity of the genes that doesn't require heterosexual (normal) reproduction. So, if a Homosexual Gene does exist and is passed on via homosexual acts, then by this evidence - homosexuals are a different species than normal folks.

Since this is not the case and Darwinian Evolution doesn't exist; that leaves only psychological reasons. And so, since homosexuals insist on abnormal deviancies as opposed to biological reproduction methods, and said practitioners claim it's "who they are, accept it normies!", then this falls under APA's criteria as a mental disorder. If it's done by choice with full knowledge of the consequences, then that falls under fetish.

Society should not be forced to believe your sides propaganda when it's obviously a mental health problem that regularly become a public health problem.

Marriage doesn't solve mental disorders. If it did, women would be more reasonable and men would have a very low suicide rate.

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>>727224208
Not wrong...

>>727224910
Your "Born this way" point is valid and I'm wrong.

>>727224832
The number one predictor of a delinquent child is actually a single mother. Same sex partnerships, both men and women, have consistently better results in child rearing than single mothers according to every metric.

So you really need to consider who is contaminating children here.

>>727221346
Marriage has been around before Christianity. Just because simple minded God fear types make a promise to an invisible man, doesn't mean it actually has anything to do with a god

>>727225028
I'm gay and I don't necessarily believe "born this way" is true. I think neonatal events, genetic events, and environmental events all contribute to the development of sexual orientation. But the point is, once orientation is set, there is no changing it. It's still not a choice, and it never was.

>>727225028
I am so confused right now

>>727225205
Spot on.

It's like width and height for area

>>727221346
>>727222452
>>727223422
>>727224879

>religous
samfag can't spell

I'm gay, used to be president of my schools GSA.
I don't believe that gays should be pressuring the government to legalize and open marriage for same sex.

I'm not religious, never was.
22 years old, WAIS iq test results showed 144.
Live in the SF bay area my whole life, voted Obama twice.

In my opinion, considering where everything originated from, Its a religious ceremony and therefore up the religion to decide how it functions. But I draw the line at the point where we failed to separate church and state; if the religion picks who it applies to, and the government grants benefits for it, there is a conflict with that.

However with the introduction of civil unions which are intended to provide the same benefits in a identical manner, we gays should have zipped-it and accepted it; instead we acted like sheep, demanding something we didn't understand, because muh-oppression.

The government did its jobs, it provided civil unions and therefore provided equal treatment. But people kept bitching, wanting the government to FORCE the religion to accept what it predominantly didn't want; when the people should have gone to the leaders of the religion to plead their case.

TL:DR; government finished its involvement when it provided civil unions. People who still bitched for marriage should have been complaining to their religious leaders instead.

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>>727225205
I guess...

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because when we are all in the hub of the simulated reality we want to be able to tell who is there with their physically-identical bodies[compared to those in their life] to run our slave-farms.

i mean, im not a faggot, i dont want to buy a 3 year old elf-breed from a couple of DUDES you wierdo, i want to take the completely typical offspring of identical re-iterations of people from my reality, and then infect them with vampirism and a time-dilated offspring-creation process

What do you call a homosexual on roller skates?

----> Rolaids

>>727220085
Why shouldn't they get married? Because marriage is a crock of shit. lol.

If they want a lifetime of monogamous fucking and slowly learning to hate your spouse over the years, more power to them.

I have no problem with it. Why would I? Doesn't affect me in any measurable way. Their life, their business.

>>727225392
AWW SHIT SON

>>727220653
Worth the read and saved. Faggots fuck off

>>727225527
Why are butt pirates butt pirates?
Because they just ARRRRRRR

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>>727225436
>22 year old, upper class know-nothing faggot from the home of rich, self-absorbed liberal twats who think their shit doesn't stink
>muh 140+ IQ
>Touts their voting record publically

God God you're an intolerable waste of skin. And the sad thing is, politically I'm sure we wouldn't find much to disagree upon. You just come off as an obnoixous, self-assured, overprivliged cunt.

You're 22. You don't know shit about shit. Piss off, please.

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>>727220085

>>727220085
Violates the basic needs of a species to reproduce.

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Autism in one picture

>>727226222
'Cause humanity has historically had a real problem keeping it's numbers up.

Go suck a dick dude, we all know you want to. Quit putting your hang-ups on the rest of us. You make me bloody uncomfortable.

>>727226161
This 100%

I would probably agree with him on most issues as well, but all that coming from a 22 year old... seriously fuck off.

>>727225436
I'm in agreement with this. Nobody was really opposed to civil unions except for the nutjobs, but by pushing MARRIAGE it alienated an awful lot of people who otherwise could've cared less.

Most everyone was cool with Tolerance, but objected when it became something that felt like it was being forced. People who were ok with letting homosexuals do their thing didn't like when it started gettting shoved down their throat. I think it set things back by years, drew battle lines and forced everyone to pick sides whether they wanted to or not.

Because no one should be married

>>727220085
To discourage gay adoption which denies children the father and mother together which is fundamentally important for proper mental development

I have zero problem with homosexuality outside of this issue

>>727225787
>>727226294

This was me, I am not
religous guy

>>727220085
God said no.

>>727226457
except its a mother and father figure; doesn't need to be a male or female, its just to make it work;

Key is a family unit that is conhesive, includes what the immediate family doesn't have, and is incredibly supportive of the kids.

And honestly...we need more decent foster parents.

>>727221346
>>727225787
For proof

>>727225199
This. The literal Epic of Gilgamesh, the earliest story we have the full text of, mentions marriage, if I remember correctly.

>>727226376
Right, because a fuckton of gay people who think it's okay to fuck eachother in the orifice designed specifically to get rid of fecal matter and waste, doesn't make ME in uncomfortable in any way. Just disregard my own comforts so you can live happy, not having to worry about being uncomfortable yourself. Flawless fucking logic.

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I can't.

cus thats fucking gay

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>>727225392
>>727226459
>>727226684

>>727226835
mindless bigot

>>727226835
Well, he's got a point.

>>727226835


So what?

>>727226919
>>727226835
samefag

>>727226835
/thread

>>727220085
None of the tax benefits and no adoptions though.

>>727226838
I'm the religous guy you autist

>>727226919


If you think that's a point then you're as dull as the eraser.

>>727226971
>supporting bad arguments

>>727220085
marriage is a religious institution, why bother?

>>727226699
>Just disregard my own comforts so you can live happy

When it has to do purely with your intellectual comfort? Absolutely disregard it. That's the price of living in a free society. People are going to do things you find "gross" and you have to deal with it. So deal with it.

>>727220085
My dad said so, and so did my boyfriends dad.

>>727223414
Catholics?

>>727226609
No, that's so wrong. Children don't see men as women. Modern blurring of the sexes doesn't change shit. Men and women are perceived vastly differently by both male and female children.

>>727227202
So deal with people like me, not liking your faggot act

>>727227316
idiot

>>727222780
> Let me respond to someone elses post on 4chan in the most snarky douchebag way possible

Kiss me Harold

>>727227428
That's what i'm doing dummy ;)

>>727226699
You get bent out of shape being forced to face reality? Some people like to put in the poopers of others of their own sex. It's just a fact. If you can't accept that, you are far too weak a person for me to care about your half-baked opinions.

And the fact that you get so upset about it suggests some serious unresolved issues, dude. The onus of you having a comfortable life doesn't fall on me, it falls on you. You've got to make your own happiness, I can't do it for you.

Gays exist. They always have, and always will. Grow up, buddy.

honestly with the nonreligious theres not much of a reason to get married. but for a lot of people familial pressure is enough to want to force it. plus tax deductions. i dont get why so many people see it as wrong.

>>727227459
What are they then faggot!

>>727227584
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

>>727227534
Preach

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>>727220085
Because it's funny as fuck when you throw temper tantrums about it. The only difference between lgbt protesters and clowns is clowns go back to being normal at the end of the day.

There is no moral attachment. It's just funny to watch you piss and moan.

>>727227771

it's more funny to watch hyper-conservative bigots whine about the inevitability of change and progress

>>727227771
Funny how the same thing can be said about uptight religious straight people.

Why do you think pride parades exist? You faggots get pissed rather easily too.

>>727227860
>>727227904
hivemind

>>727220085
As a gay man, I could never see myself in a fucking gay pride parade, especially in Tulsa, the most degenerate and sick homosex place in America.

Town literally spells A SLUT backwards. Seriously, the gay STD shit there is rampant. Happy I found a normal dude in Lawton.

Also tired of getting thrown in with other fags that do weird ass pet play shit in those parades, and other degenerate acts.

>>727227904
I thought it was 'cause the average gay person is an attention seeking, sixteen year-old girl trying to "get back" at their father. Different strokes I guess

>>727221346
Your entire premise is completely false

>>727226222
You think that matters now? You think we've just not quite got enough people yet?

>>727228001
lol - congrats on still being insecure and self-loathing. If you were truly a secure man you wouldn't let others effect how you see yourself.

I'm a masc, stealth gay dude myself - but I have nothing at all against flamers or pride parades. I got over that years ago. You're childish.

>>727224098
It is, all the faggots who are saying no to you are wrong.

I think of homosexuality as a form of perversion. We all knew what a good looking guy and a good looking girl looked like before we started choosing which one to become sexually attracted to. Some guys can't get girls, so they roll boys. Some guys started to fantasize or had a porn addiction which lead into gays, hence why some did that.

Like 50% of the black male population is DL. All based on culture. Has nothing to do with DNA or anything. All based on what people chose to do at a later stage in life, and those desires increase upon action.

>>727228240
proof?

>>727227860
>>727227904
Who are you telling? Shit's great all around. But your both to big of pussies to ever do anything.

Multiple times of the year homos of all types flock to my city. Right behind them come the Christians. Both sides equally stupid, impetuous children screaming dumb slogans back and forth.

>>727225205
I believe it's more environmental events, except for having a small penis or being small. Sadly a lot of people become bottoms just because of those things.

>>727228090
Some of them, possibly. Although, if homophobia and stigma never existed, there would be nothing to "get back" at their fathers for in the first place for rejecting them, so... are you starting to see how things are cyclical?

Sorry that life isn't as cut and dry as you'd like to perceive it. It's frustrating, I know.

>>727228285
Pride parades paint all gays with the same brush. The fuck-you-im-gay atmosphere about them does a lot of bad press and is fundamentally opposite to the truth that is that gay people are just people too who are barely different from anyone else. Pride parades are successful at forcing the total opposite