This current iteration of American culture is fucking bullshit

i agree

I'm just going to wait it out.

That's a lot of assumptions.

>>727017049
> the /pol/ crowd embraced outright racism. They got bullied by the leftists and instead of adopting a libertarian/free speech stance, they said fuck it and skipped straight to Nazism. And even the people who don't take it that far, instead of saying fuck it I'll say what I want, still felt the need to elect a president to help protect them from those mean old SJWs. What the fuck kind of pussy fucking shit is that? What's can he even do about this?

Words.

>>727017049

I remember the last time I took a huge shit...I too shared it with 4chan...

I like what your saying op.

>>727017788
Thanks, senpai.

>>727017049
>>727017788
> samefag

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I very well could have been that person

I Fucked up my life tho

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>>727017889
nope

I think a big part of what's preventing Millenials from taking up leadership positions is social media. Too many of us have dick pics, or have said horribly insensitive shit in the past on facebook or myspace that will never be unsaid.

I lament the lack of privacy that social media has bestowed upon our generation, it used to be that a person could say some fucked up shit occasionally and still be judged upon his merits, but the millenials are fuuucked in that regard. We need to remember when one of ours has the courage to rise to judge the things they may have said on social media in the past gently.

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>>727017049
tl;dr
murika is full of pussies who are too afraid to speak their minds, and those who do are shunned.

good on you op.

>>727018227
I think the answer is more social media. When everyone has dick pics, no one will.

>>727017899
tl;dr American countercultures that promote free thought have given way to ones that are more dogmatic even than the mainstream culture. And also the music that kids are listening to sucks.

>>727018450
correct.

>>727017049
>How the fuck do we fix this shit?
You can't. Buy a gun and stand ready to defend you and yours, because they ARE coming for you.

>>727018450
Was meant to reply to >>727017049, obviously.

Man, i was just listening to some earlyish eminem today and was thinking how so much of what he's saying fits in today's climate.

>Quit giving me my ammo; can't you see why I'm so mean?
>If y'all leave me alone this wouldn't be my M.O
>I wouldn't have to go eenee-meene-minie-moe
>Catch a homo by his toe, man, I don't know no more
>Am I the only fuckin' one who's normal anymore?

>>727017049

End Women's Suffrage.
End Affirmative Action.

Once that's done, American society will fix itself.

>>727017049
tl;dr what is this /x? take that shit back there where they type essays as posts

>>727017049
we dont have edgy fagot mainstream pop idols anymore because everyone thinks they are a mainstream edgy faggot pop idol

being edgy isnt even edgy anymore. it's just not a thing for someone to do

Well I'd have to say Donald Trump is a good start to stopping these SJW's

>>727018227
I think you're right about that. I also think that social media may be pushing this dogmatic way of thinking in other ways. Now that everyone is connected to everyone else and receives social feedback at all times, no one really has an opportunity to think for themselves. When I think back to high school and middle school, I used to have to spend large swaths of time sitting around doing nothing and just thinking about stuff. We had myspace and stuff, but that was never really used in real time, because it wasn't attached to a device that we carried everywhere in our pocket. We had AIM and stuff where you could chat in real time, but even that required you to be sitting in front of a computer in order to use it. I can't imagine kids today have to do that. They're never not talking to other people. When they hear a song or watch something on tv or read the news, they don't really get the chance to say, "what did I think about this", and skip immediately to, "what does the group think about this".

>>727019401
I addressed that line of thinking in the OP, but what exactly do you think he's going to do to stop the SJWs? What does he even have in his power that could accomplish such a task? People do not have to think the way the president thinks, so unless he's planning some kind of purge, I don't think he's going to accomplish much in that regard.

>>727017049
I miss Frank Zappa..

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>>727017049

Just spitballing. My theory that things are this way because there's been a crescendo of extreme sensationalism in media over the years since the internet made it possible for anybody to be on the same level as a CNN or Fox News. Boundary pushing isn't getting you clicks. Buzzwords and idealistic headlines bate you into clicking, and over time you gain a perspective of the world from your news/social media outlet of choice. Most of our communication is digital now, and I think as a result of that, we form little zeitgeists or tribes who become fearful of contrary ideas that are then seen as a direct threat to society itself. I think when you're on the internet, you don't have to consider other viewpoints because you've already catered your own universe. You've created such a hyperbole of your opposition that there becomes a point where words don't even fucking matter anymore and you get violent groups like Antifa and (insert what you would like here).

About how we don't have any controversial artists. I think the idea of an artist or a creative being this romantic thing has been stripped away by things like twitter, TMZ, ect. Also, because of some of the tenets of liberalism and libertarianism, sexual imagery is no longer seen the same as it was a mere 40 years ago. Where that may have been THE taboo in most of human history, we're at a point where violence and sex is no longer pushing the boundaries.

The only way to push the boundaries now is to be racist and homophobic, which when you see through that, you know how lame that is.

The earth is flat so of course everything on TV I'd fake AF, including news and politics, and the weather for damn sure.

I can't even get them to match the right shade of paint at home depot

>>727019991
I think you just summed it up perfectly. Well said.

>>727019475
Agreed man! I spent lots of time as a youth just sitting around thinking about shit. I was also a lifeguard for a long time so I spent long periods of time walking around on the job while people weren't drowning thinking about things and doing self introspection. I feel that it really helped me ground myself.

When I would do something fucked up, I would think about it for days, and eventually conclude that it wasn't acceptable.

I also think that people tend to focus their social media on people who agree with what they are thinking, which means we all end up in a sounding booth not listening to one another.

Then all of a sudden, all those alt right racists mysogynistic faggots that would've been too ashamed to voice there beliefs found thousands of other sparsely grouped faggots across the nation and decided that what they had to say was valuable.

>>727017049
Literal libertarian ideology. Fine with me.

>>727019991
I agree with alot of your points but disagree with who you pin the blame on. If anyone its the conservative christian right who has been the ones saying if you aren't exactly like us than you should die and go to hell.

Liberals tell you not to say words like nigger, or call women sluts. Repubs tell you not to be who you actually are, like a homosexual, or a poor person.

>>727017049
Every cultural development since the masonic revolution has been a mistake. Political Correctness is nothing more than the ideological framework built exclusively around preventing the discussion of those ideas that are the greatest in human history.

>>727021664
I disagree with you, I think that political correctness has been effective at curbing violence. As a world society we have become increasingly non-violent, and part of that is due to the fact that we respect each other enough not to call each other niggers, spics, and sluts/whores.

I think your point is too simplistic, and claims to be an answer for something much more complex.

>>727021885
Curbing violence as an end contains neither truth nor greatness.
What sort of person supposes there is no higher calling to social development than neutering his fellow man?

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>>727021333
i agree with ur trips

>>727021885
>increasingly non-violent
Kek

>>727021333
I think there isn't really a huge problem with the content of liberal ideology, for most people I hear from, it seems to be in the way they package that content. It's the "accept that I am an attack helicopter or you're a literal Nazi" line of thinking that puts people off. Granted, I think that is a huge distortion of the actual reality of the situation. Yes, there are people on the extreme end of who behave that way, but I don't think it as prevalent as the Internet makes it out to be. I have never in my life met an "otherkin" or something stupid like that. And even as someone who just finished grad school, I have never in my life seen anyone playing with playdoh or demanding safe spaces. Again, I'm sure it exists, but if you listen to the MRA crowd, you would think it was every single person in college.

>>727022024
Once again I disagree, violence is for those who don't have the capacity to use their minds. The more violence in our world is erradicated the better the world will inherently be as it indicates that humans have obtained the ability to fight their battles with words and ideas.

Hi OP I read your entire post and it was a heartfealt rant that I agree a lot with but tbh you could use some help in how to paragraph shit instead of wall-of-text.

>>727017049
I actually agree with you OP, and I'm serious. I actually consider myself more liberal, and I am for social equality as well. But, I agree the left has really fucked things up with PC language, and I think that has contributed a lot to a fuck-tard like trump getting elected.

>>727022174
I grew up in Alaska and my viewpoint may be slightly distorted in the sense that I'm only experienced being a democrat in a highly republican state.

I personally have never seen the mindless jumping on the bandwagon like I have from Republicans in Alaska. For some reason we are completely ok with one of the most socialist ideas on the planet, (the permanent fund dividend), and we accept federal money by the boatload for infrastructure improvements in order to transport our oil out to market. But for some reason when it came to accepting federal money for the medicaid expansion we were all of a sudden too good to take back some of the money that we had ALREADY paid to the federal government in order to provide healthcare to our neediest citizens.

It just seems to me that both sides have mindless bandwagonry, but there is absolutely one side that is more destructive overall about it. And in my lifetime it's been the republicans.

>>727021075
>>727019475
discussions such as these are why I /b/.

also
>75

>>727017049
The alt-right and far-left SJW types are the two-sides of the same coin. Honestly what the fucks the difference? Neither side wants freedom, they want fascism. They want their way and their way only, and it's going to get worse and worse as both sides bully other people to pick a team. You know the worlds gone to shit when in 2017 you either have to align yourself politically with a group that thinks gender is a social construct, or a group that outright takes pride in that fact that they are racists.

>>727022163
It's true. There are pockets of extreme violence, and because of mass media, our perception gets distorted and we think that crime is on the rise. Every day we turn on the news and hear about some horrific shit going down somewhere in the world, but we ignore the reality that is right in front of our face.

Think about it this way, we have not seen a major example of total war from any two major global powers since world war II. We've had plenty of wars, but for the most part they have been waged against small countries, and didn't utilize the entirety of our military power by far. And yes, terrorism is on the rise, and there are unstable countries like Mexico and Syria that are struggling, but at the same time, education is at an all time high compared to most of human history, illiteracy is virtually a non-issue in every industrialized nation, global poverty has been decreasing, most people in the world (and there are obvious exceptions) has access to food and clean water Things really aren't all that bad right now compared to the vast majority of human history. Only difference now is that every time some kid gets decapitated halfway across the planet by a some extremist group, we hear about it, whereas in most of history, a town 100 miles away may has well have been another planet as far os most people were concerned. Few people knew anything about the world outside of their immediate surroundings.

>>727021885

Political correctness is one of the many elements of fascism that the Left adopted. It was never meant to curb violence it was designed to suppress ideas and thoughts counter to well-being of the collective. The world is not less violent in fact the world is just as violent as it was during the turn of the 20th century, so in that point you're wrong.

>>727022982
That is some serious false equivalency. The alt-right literally calls for niggers, faggots, and feminists to die. SJW's want legitimate equality in the world, which is why the alt-right is so opposed to them. Old white men can't stand losing the privilege that they have grown up with, true equality means that black people, asian people, women of all ethnicities are standing on the same solid footing, which inherently means a decreas in benefits you receive as a white male.

Alt-right = white supremacism = super goddamn fucking unequal.

>>727017049
Wait it out; lots of people have died, we have a loose canon president, and actual Communists are inciting violence. It's a time of change, and after this time has ended we'll be able to better assess the current situation.

>>727023471 you look at the post above yours,
>>727023376 this one.

very much this anon, thank you for explaining this well.

>>727023515
>SJW's want legitimate equality in the world
Normal people don't want to be equal to garbage SJWs.

>>727023515
>he believes in white privilege
What we call SJWs are left-wing racists who want to gain power by changing how people talk and incite racial violence so they can parade on high horses. They don't want equality, the want special treatment.

>>727023732
What's your definition of normal people? We all have our own political, religious and social beliefs, therefore I would consider all of us normal. Though some of us are more despicable and destructive than others.

>>727023991
*they

>>727023515
Whilst I agree the alt-right is far worse than the far-left, do you honestly believe new wave feminists want equality? Feminism as a whole has become a joke. They don't want equality, but rather superiority. And a lot of feminism beliefs are just flat out bullshit. I mean, what the fuck is man-spreading and how the fuck does that oppress you?
I'm very much a leftist, but there quite a decent amount of hypocrisy when it comes to progressive beliefs. Take Islam for example. How can a movement that wants equality and a egalitarian society honestly defend an archaic religion like Islam? To support Islam is a total contradiction to left-minded individuals core beliefs.

>>727023991
I would hate to live in your world anon. I have never heard a liberal refer to a black person as a nigger. I regularly hear republicans talking about black people, other races, and women as if they are sub human. Liberals talk about alt-right pieces of shit like you because you are sub human in that you think that your literally better than others simply because of your race and your gender, which renders you mostly useless to the world as you have no incentive to try to be a good productive human being.

>>727024115
So they could add colored middle easterners to their keychain of minstrels and jangle it around to proclaim: "look how progressive we are!"

>>727017049
Milo is litteretly a pedofile

>>727023376

You're wrong

Yes this is the best time to exist in human history and the media does warp our perception but as for violence you're focusing entirely on the extreme applications of them. Violence is as common as air, it's simply an element of life. Your idea of violence is terrorism and war but what about the violence that occurs in the streets, in broken homes, in the slave trade and human trafficking. These are the reality of everyday life that you'll never hear about because there are other more juicy stories to gossip about and so common place that people give them little thought.

>>727017049
>They got bullied by the leftists and instead of adopting a libertarian/free speech stance, they said fuck it and skipped straight to Nazism

Good job, you adopted their talking point.

How amazingly unbiased and neutral you must be to accept a false-premise that the alt-right are "Nazis"

>>727024115
I disagree with the blanket statements your making. But I do agree that there are some inequalities when it comes to men and women, we should talk about those specific inequalities without disparraging one another. Men have problems that are completely unaddressed by women, and women continue to have problems that are completely unaddressed by men.

The United States of America guarantees freedom of religion. Islam is a religion, as is stanism, and the church of the flying spaghetti monster. Liberals and Republicans should not more condemn the actual religion of Islam than any other religion. And if you're going to bring up terrorist acts, you should look up how man terroristic activities have been conducted by people of far right ideologies that don't get condoned as domestic terrorism. re: pizzagate, re: shootup of planned parenthood in colorado. Also all of the islamic terrorist attacks came from individuals who grew up in the united fucking states!!

>>727024182

Liberals don't have to call black people niggers, they just have to stereotype and speak of them with condescension to strip them of their humanity. You're delusional if you actually think that there's a difference between liberals and conservatives. As Malcolm X keenly points out the only difference between a liberal and a conservative is that the liberal is more deceiving.

>>727023991
I don't understand how folks cannot see white privilege. I'm white, and I can tell you, it's pretty fucking awsome.

It's been pointed out by a lot of people, even fucking paul joseph watson, that there is no counterculture in this generation. There is no overbearing dogma to create one. So they invented one of systemic racism and sexism. They've literally created an overbearing dogma, because there was no overbearing dogma to fight against with expression, leading to a lull in the arts. Maybe progressiveism -has- done something useful afterall. Giving people something to rebel against.

>>727024302
lefties use minorities to virtue signal while trapping them in poverty

the term racist itself is a communist tool used to wedge people against each other and keep them fighting

I wish I was joking but it's true

"diversity" is not a strength

>>727024749
What a nice narrative to make yourself feel better. You'll also note that Dr. Martin Luther King, and Malcolm X recognized that the only way to truly make african americans free was to empower them economically.

African Americans still tend to be the most economically impoverished people in the united states. Republicans consistently want to cut benefits to poor people which inherently affects minority people more than white people.

Some blame can be put on liberals, but Republicans unabashedly want to disempower black people via voter suppression laws, cutting programs for the poor, pushing for private schools and lack of affordable health care.

The blame currently resides primarily with the radical right, and scum bags like retarded paul ryan.

>>727024749
Shame Malcom X was such a stupid faggot.

>>727025121
>republicans unabashedly want to disempower black people
Sounds like republicans are actually trying to go after the cause, rather than treat symptoms.

>>727024600

The law states that freedom of religion applies only if that religion commits no other lawbreaking. Pretty sure killing infidels is against the law.

>>727024182
>implying I'm alt-right
>I've never heard...[insert anecdote here]
A "liberal" will instead say it's ok to hate on and discriminate against white people but then turn around and say you shouldn't judge people by the color of their skin, a "liberal" will curse out a woman who doesn't care for feminism because she doesn't fall in line with their status quo, a "liberal" will hire and accept people into jobs based off skin color and sexual organs. A "liberal" will tell men not to rape but won't tell women to look out for themselves. That's not equality, that's manipulating the playing field to suit their agenda and shut out detractors while conveniently using disadvantaged and historically disadvantaged as pawns to gain sympathy for their cause. It's at the very least partly true because you're doing it right now, you assume I'm some well off white racist whose "alt-right" (whatever the fuck that is) simply because I disagree and can point out problems attributed to the American left. Real social justice is indiscriminate, all supposed social justice warriors do is discriminate for their own convenience.

>>727025048
>Hates communists
>Loves russia, an actual communist country

Spoken like a true trump fag supporter.

>>727025317
>Still thinking russia is a communist country
Gotta be bait or the biggest retard to exist.

>>727024459
>Violence is as common as air, it's simply an element of life. Your idea of violence is terrorism and war but what about the violence that occurs in the streets, in broken homes, in the slave trade and human trafficking.

You have a valid point, but those things have existed throughout history, and I see no indication that they are worse now than they've ever been. Street violence is a problem, and in certain areas it IS getting worse, but I think those places are more the exception than the rule. I live in Hell's Kitchen in NYC. The reason they call it that is because 100 years ago, you couldn't walk down the street without fear of being murdered. Now it's mostly gays and old people, and I could walk around right now at 2:30 AM with headphones and an iPad without fear.

Domestic violence is obviously problem, in modern society it is done in the dark because, for the most part, we have collectively decided that it is wrong. 100 years ago, beating your wife in kids was just par for the course and done in the open. Same with human trafficking. Slaves used to be traded publicly. While we are far from eliminating these problems, the fact that we currently deem the reprehensible indicated that we're moving in the right direction.

left leaning simpletons seriously believes they aren't racist when everyone is racist to some degree including muh poor leftist pet minorities

>>727025317
are you living in the late 80s? russians aren't communist any more idiot

>>727025290
I actually agree with a lot of your points. My main argument wasn't to point out that the left is blameless, but it was to say that if your going to point blame, a substantial amount of it lies in the radical right.

>>727017049
>Milo Yiannopolous made an interesting point once (and only once), when he pointed out this generation lacks a Marilyn Manson or an Eminem.

>interesting point
>this generation lacks a Marilyn Manson or an Eminem
>interesting point
>interesting
>point

Commit suicide OP. Milo is nothing but useless garbage, and so are you.

>>727024850
White privilege is a construct to destroy people's credibility based of their skin color because one group happens to be in better standing than another.

>>727025317
Capitalist here,
Actual Communism hasn't been tried since the 30s.

>>727017049
>be me

>14
>Commie sympathizer
>18
>Commie sympathizer
>Vote Obama
>21
>Join USMC
>23
>See GG unwind
>See liberal attacks on Trump
>See Islamic terrorism in US
>See Europe imploding

I won't go full Nazi, but i will say. Maybe Hitler was right about a few things, and maybe some of his views could save Europe right now.

I am now very libertarian right, i am one of the many people who is a result of the radical authoritarian left.

Ohh yah, im also a jew and i identify as one too.

>>727025515
>left is blameless
I've never laughed so hard, everything you believe is a lie

>>727017049
TLDR; where is my generation's mainstream anti-mainstream overrated musician?

>>727017049
With the modern internet it's easier for idiots to clusterfuck over shit.

>>727025726
wow, why don't we try saying the entire sentence and not just picking out 3 words. I believe I said

>My main argument wasn't to point out that the left is blameless

Way to be a retard.

>>727017049

All this bullshit you worship, faggots and anti-christing, controversial idolatry, that's was what caused the issue you have with the world now. It's all part of the plan to destabilize the western culture and family unit. You are suffering from demoralization, which is also caused by the things you idolized. The war of the left and right is the division of the west and also part of the destabilization. The people responsible for this fund both sides. Look at your degenerate, "do what thou wilt if it harm none" satanic media culture, which is also created by the same group of people with vested interest in enslaving your nation with debt and ruling overt you, as you despair in poverty and degeneracy.

>>727025121

Nice strawman faggot

But the problems of the black community is largely due to the liberals and their expansion of the welfare state. Their condescending paternalistic policies deprived the black community of any kind of self-determination and created for the liberals a slave-class that votes the way they want them to vote. It's funny that the party founded by former slave-holders now once again have mastery of the blacks.

>>727025139

Malcolm X was the smartest motherfucker in the entire Civil Rights Movement. He was the leader the black community needed not that Uncle Tom Martin Luther King who sold out Black America to the liberals.

>>727025877
>It's all part of the plan to destabilize the western culture and family unit-

stopped reading there you tinfoil hat chemtrail believing retard

>>727025860
I might have gotten you confused with another anon but it you're the apologist afraid of the bad right boogie man and words, what I said still applies to you

>>727017049
I think you raise some good points actually

I think the core of the issue is how partisan politics and by extension the cultural climate has become in the US. Liberals have been co opted by SJW snowflakes, and the right have been co opted by autistic racists and these forces seem to push/pull people to become one or the other, there is no middle ground any longer.

Just look at the big youtubers that talk about politics. One one hand you have retards like Laci Green, who's a lying cunt and on the other side of the spectrum you have Molymeme, who is also a lying cunt

The thing is both sides, with their equally insane agendas are confident they are going to "win" this cultural war, but all they do are stoking the flames and creating more conflict.

Where are the moderate voices? The people who are able to see nuances? These people need to step forward and call both sides on their bullshit

>>727025934
>Malcom X was the smartest motherfucker in the entire Civil Rights Movement
>Uncle Tom Martin Luther King
Please, do black people everywhere a favor and put a bullet into your skull.

>>727025515
No, it really doesn't, the "radical right" hasn't been a problem since the 80s. The current "alt-right" and resurgence of right-wing ideas is a backlash from so-called progressivism with issues I've described in my previous post. The popular opinion has swayed to the left since the 90s, which is now 20 years ago. They voted in Clinton, they only got Bush because Gore scared the shit out of people but you don't really hear people lauding W except the far American right. People have had a progressive standpoint for a while, as evident by all the "Obama is black so I'll vote for him" people from '08. Since then this idea of Political Correctness has been distorted and corrupted into a weapon to use against free thought. We've merely entered an era where we're stepping back to try a new direction, because some of us are concerned the so-called good guys of the left wing are actually destroying and burying the social progress achieved in the 20th century.

>>727026237

Don't avoid it. Prove me wrong. Protip: you can't

This whole identity politics thing came about after occupy wall street.

>>727026259

>has no retort
>hurr durr kys faggot

Your room-temperature IQ is proving a liberal stereotype true.

>>727025563
White privilege is just saying step back and realize how fucking awsome it is to be white. It doesn't destroy anyone's credibility.

>>727026421
>>727026421
PROTIP: Just a shot in the dark here, but I'm your beliefs line up pretty well with Alex Jones, in which case they are based on a labyrinth of misunderstood, often unconnected information that has been twisted to suit your preferred narrative, and debating you would be about as useful as debating my own asshole.

>>727026636

Sounds racist.

>>727026732
because it is

>>727017049
filthy frank is that oerson

>>727025877
I feel like you're trying too hard.

>>727026256
I hate to say this because I somewhat agree with you, but false equivalency is a huge thing you're ignoring.

The radical right cannot be compared to the current leftist leadership. The left if anything is more moderate when you compare it to the rest of the world's politics, obamacare is probably the most free market approach you could take to having socialized health care and that was introduced by a liberal based on a conservative idea aka, Mitt Romney.

You can dislike the left, but comparing them to the far right is serious false equivalency. The far right wants to completely dismantle the government, defund social programs that people have paid into for their entire lives.

Do you know what happens when you don't have a strong federal government? You become mexico, or guatemala, and your weak as fuck. Republicans have an incentive to make the government non functional, they run on an anti government because government sucks agenda, and then they get elected and proceed to fuck up the government for some reason giving them more power.

Republicans are the most powerful they've been, and the democrats are the weakest they have ever been. If you don't like the government, blame the party who controls the house, the presidency, the senate, majority of governorships, and state houses and senates, aka the fucking republicans.

>>727025290
It's dead simple to figure out what kind of person you are by your out loud prejudices, white guy. You can play pretend middle-of-the-road all you want, nobody buys that horseshit. Is there a name for dickholes who do that?

>kill niggers
>burn kikes
>actually very moderate, trust me

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>>727026662

No you're afraid to talk about it because deep down you know I'm right.

>>727019304
People with short attention spans are also contributing to the problem. Hate to break it to you, but you're a dumb ass, /b/rofaganon.

>>727026636
Either baiting or just retarded, I'm a minority and I can see "white privilege" is bullshit.

>>727025415

>While we are far from eliminating these problems, the fact that we currently deem the reprehensible indicated that we're moving in the right direction.

You've fallen into the fallacy of progress. These commonalities were true a thousand years ago and they'll be true a thousand years from now. Violence is a part of the human experience and so long as humans exist there will always be violence.

>>727026829
We get it you're a socialist. Go fuck yourself.

>>727026351
Once again I agree with some of your points, but you really lose me when you say that people voted for obama because he's black.

Obama is an insanely intelligent, insanely talented orrator. To say that people only voted for him because he is black is an extraordinary disservice to the man that he actually is, and you only serve to discredit yourself by saying stupid shit like that.

Any intelligent human being can recognize that Obama deserved the presidency regardless of his skin color. I didn't vote for him because he was black, and I didn't vote for hillary because she was a woman. Your not doing your arguments any favors by saying shit like that dude.

>>727018843
truer words never spoken.

people think freedoms and equality allow for a better country but history's most powerful countries didnt give women power.

The more rights women recieve the further our country sinks into a shithole.

>>727017049
I believe the musician thing is a bit more complicated. New music is bullshit. Every new big "musician" is some pop cunt who has a team of producers write their songs for them. Their faces are sold to the public as products and the public gobbles it up in an attempt to fit in with trends.


So what this means is even if there is a next Marilyn Manson, Eminem, or even Kurt Cobain out there, we will never hear about them. They will never get a chance to influence anything more than a minority group of people who seek out decent new musicians.

The industry has a stranglehold on itself. Times have changed. People will say shit like "every new generation of music is like this" but this is clearly very different.

Look at fucking EDM. It blows my mind that something like EDM can exist and people will eat it up like it's the most influential music in the world.

All these old controversial musicians from the 90s have mostly fallen out of the spotlight, and the people who listen to them are considered weird by the majority.


People were asked on the street what they thought about the Trump kids hunting dinosaurs, mammoths, and other prehistoric beings. They were all like "yeah man it's so wrong that they are doing that dude. I hear the saber tooth tigers are like endangered man" "yeah man pterodactyls are such beautiful creatures and we shouldn't be hunting them".
Those people are the majority. Those people are the ones commanding modern political movements. Those are the people that other people would rather listen to than Marilyn Manson or Eminem.


It's over. I'd give society maybe 50 more years until it just collapses into chaos. It's not just people being absolute brainless cunts, it's everything about modern society.


Alternatively I'd suggest killing off 5 billion humans and sort of starting over with 2 billion decent ones.

>>727017049
You don't see controversial figures broadcast through the mainstream media because of the diversification of media brought through mediums like YouTube. Hell, controversial iconoclast is a brand there. There are plenty, p l e n t y of figures pushing the bounds for what's considered acceptable. This site's even played a role in that.

>>727026892
Only I never said any of that, you're some faggot who sees what he wants to see because somehow I come off as white to you.

>>727026636
I think the problem a lot of people have stems from the fact that it is referred to as a "privilege". When you accuse someone of having privilege, the response is to get defensive. It sounds like they're saying, "hey, you have this shit that others don't and did nothing to deserve it, and you should feel bad about it and/or have it taken away". The reality is, "white privilege" is just the way all people should be treated as the rule.

>>727026962
Of course you cannot see white privilege, your not white. Again, it's pretty awesome. And if you really don't see it, then thank those damn liberals around you for making everything equal. You must live in a pretty special place. Or you just might have a shit ton of wealth too, that also helps.

>>727026829
I wasn't talking specifically about the parties, but more about the people and movements that affiliate with them.

The SJW bullshit you see in American uni's these days is imo a huge factor in why fucking Trump got elected. Trump and his incompetent administration on the other hand, will just further embolden and galvanize the insane SJW's and then it keeps going

>>727026983
>fallacy of progress

Not even really sure what you're trying to say here. Are you arguing that things are the same now as they have always been? Because that is demonstrably false.

>>727027156
Exactly. This guy gets it. It's not necessary a bad or negative thing.

>>727027027
If you want to be free of government regulation why don't you move the fuck to peru, or argentina, gtfo of America, we didn't become the most powerful country on earth by not having strong states rights as well as strong federal regulations.

You think the states would've just volunteered people to win WW2? I fucking doubt it you russian cuck faggot.

>>727026636
Except it does. The concept of white privilege is only ever brought up for two reasons, first is during an argument to discount or discredit someone else's idea "You don't know what you're talking about you've got white privilege" or the second which is to try and guilt or bait white people into believing an opposing view to their own by discrediting their own view point and ideas. You can't be right if you are white because you have inherent bias.

>>727027213
>shit ton of wealth
So when you say white you mean Jewish elites?

>>727021075
to be fair, if that many like minded induviduals exist then perhaps there is truth somewhere in their minds (alt-right)

same could be said for leftists. they would stay quiet in their basements if it weren't for social media.

ITT: Social media is poison.

>>727027085
However, just because you alone did not does not mean that others did not. There are, without a doubt, some people who voted for those people based on their skin color or gender, because I know some of them.

>>727027308
Honestly dude, most people don't even know what the term SJW even fucking means. Trump won because Hillary is a faggot that nobody liked, she was despised by republicans, and she was despised by democrats. Whether or not her universal despicability was warranted, thats why she fucking lost.

On the other hand, she only lost by 80,000 or so votes in the wrong places.

>>727027323

You're making the assumption that society should be traveling down a certain path and through technology and new social institutions you can change fundamental human behaviors and have those changes set in stone. This is the fallacy of progress. Humans are animals at the end of the day, you can take the monkey out of the jungle but not the jungle out of the monkey.

>>727017049
Guess it's up to Eric Andre to save the day
Legalize ranch

>>727017049
You're not very educated are you?
There's a huge amount of suppositions that you are assuming to be true. It's like you've been worshipping Eminem and Manson or some kinda weird shit. Snap out of it bruh; those guys are just musical artists. They're really not important at all.

>>727027548
Yes, sure there are some people who voted for obama because he was black, and there are some people who voted for hillary because she was a woman, and there are some people who voted for donald trump because they thought he had good ideas and was a smart person.

The point is that most people, voted for obama because he is smart, a talented orrator, and charismatic, most people voted for hillary clinton because she's extremely experienced and they didnt want donald trump to win, most people voted for donald trump because they hate immigrants and poor people, and because they didnt want hillary clinton to win.

>>727027342
You don't know what America is. You aren't turning America socialist pal. No ones keeping you here but you might just cause a war.

>>727026929
Whatever floats your boat or finds your lost remote.

>>727027781
I might cause a war? I....might be the one who causes a war? Coming from someone who voted for Donald Trump who is easily the most disliked president in history?

If anyone causes a war its the dumbasses like you who voted to put a president in place who a significant majority of the country vehemently opposes.

We'll see you on the front lines son.

>>727027085
I would say 1st term yes it was mostly due to him being black the second term no he earned it rightfully.
And I also wouldn't call him an insanely talented orator, eloquent maybe but he studders way too much

>>727027085
>I didn't
>I don't hear
[insert opinion]
>my view
>my perspective
>me
>me
>me
Could you ever bring yourself to look on a more macroscopic scale for a moment? You may not have chosen him because he's black, some people you know may not, but that doesn't speak for everyone's perspective. From my family perspective my aunts voted him because he was black, people I know liked him because he was black, and there's more people beyond my experience who wanted him for being black. You mean to tell me that because you didn't and someone else didn't, it means everyone who did suddenly doesn't exist? That isn't how the world works. At least for the first term he served, his skin color coupled with the threat of Sarah Palin was all he needed to get in, his speech skills were only an added bonus. Those who did were either black people who wanted to see one of their own enter the white house, or were any other racial make up who wanted a trophy to shove into people's faces for bragging rights and status.

>We seem to be lacking a person who is controversial for the sake of pushing the limits of self expression.

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

>>727018090
Ur doing it wrong dumbass

>>727027213
Confirmed for b8

>>727027354
The concept of white privilege is often discussed independently of other arguments. That it stings the fragile self-perception of white people is a tautology. That you "can't be right if you're white" is you being a bitch about it.

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>>727026892
hey look a problematic liberal cunt that is partly the subject of this entire thread.

neato

>>727027778
I can tell what your beliefs are just from that last line. There are a multitude of reasons why either side would for vote for their candidates, and I'm not denying that some may have voted for those reasons. However saying that people voted for trump because they hate immigrants and poor people is an extremely biased point of view that doesn't nearly encompass all of the voter's reasons. And, frankly, citing those as the only reasons clearly shows that whatever I say will not change your mind. You're stereotyping a large group of people. Ironically, that is one of the things that helped elect trump.

>>727028008
>>727027986
Saying that people voted for him because he is black completely undermines his legitimacy, and it completely undermines the intelligence of his supporters.

It's incredibly stupid of both of you to be saying this as all it does is enrage the left (your fellow countrymen) and it really doesn't actually get us anywhere. Have fun continuing to spout your useless garbage arguments that only serve to further divide us as a country.

Its as if you would say that a person voting for anyone other than a white man, would only be voting for that person because of their non-white man status. Which betrays the idea of true equality.

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You do know here in the u.s you faggots either support republican or democrat..red Vs blue..gang members in suits..you think they give a shit bout you? But there you are giving a shit bout them! Defending their turf.they make yacht money while you there trying to make a dollar.I hate both parties,politicians,I'm all for America fuck the government cause that's the biggest gang of em all and you just their toy soldiers! Just like your parents and grandparents even great grandparents if they lived on the line where you must work like a dog to succeed! The rich are who they are..people who Don t give two shits bout you unless you one of them!

>>727027611
I don't know, if we can breed aggression out of wolves to the point that we get a golden retriever, I see no reason why the same cannot be done for man. As you said, we're just animals. In time, aggression and violent attitudes will become disadvantageous to our collective survival, and in time (barring some major global catastrophe that causes civilization to reset; and not anywhere near the scope of our lifetime), natural selection will get rid of that problem. Who would a person rather fuck, the violent psycho who is going to get you and your family killed through his own stupid aggression, or the person that is going to be able to provide?

Whomever have more guns wins.

>>727026829

You're a fucking retard

Stop listening to your liberal echo chamber info sources, they turn your brain into mush. There are plenty of republican moderates who want a functioning government, your media focuses on the fringe radicals who want hardcore libertarians policies and labels that as the entirety of the republican party.

Here's an observation, most of the time when it comes to gubernatorial and municipal candidates it's always the democrats who fuck shit up and lead a trail of destruction behind them and it's always a republican candidate who fixes their mess.

you are all slaves to a bank and argue all day about the best way to remain a slave. fuck off

>>727027952
Go suck off your deep state masters who are threatening the foundation of our democracy and cry about a fair election you brainwashed cocksucker ...but oh no! your corrupt leftist globalist were expose for what they really are by that evil thing called truth

>>727028127
That is true as a matter of fact. And I do understand that, I apologize for simplifying it into those terms.

Trump had a clear economic message that resonated with rural americans, and clinton had a steady stream of garbage spewing from her mouth.

Obviously its still much more complicated than that, but I'm far too tired, and slightly intoxicated to do an in depth dissection.

>>727028451
>>727028462
No, just, just no. This is why i feel we need a civil war. Lets just waste faggots like you so the world can move on and be a better place.

>>727017049
But this is part of why I laugh all the time, not just recent history either. Everything that has ever occured in life, before life and after life in all cultures will forever be a god aweful joke. If people get it right, some jackass that saw the extreme actions that put it right will keep pushing it to try to make it more right, making the old solutions the new problems. When life isn't a joke, that moment is the fucking punchline. Just learn to laugh and smile so nobody knows how miserable you are. It keeps them on their toes and they mistake you for an idiot or a madman. Joke's on them in that too, you will be the most informed and sane person in the room.

>>727028433

>Who would a person rather fuck, the violent psycho who is going to get you and your family killed through his own stupid aggression, or the person that is going to be able to provide?

Humans are far more complicated in their sexual selection than your common animal. In fact due to social conditioning people often look for mates with traits that are biologically disadvantageous. The only way you're ever going to breed out traits from the gene pool is through eugenics and we both know that's not coming back in fashion anytime soon.

>>727028538
Most politicians have shit spewing out of their mouth, nothing new there. Both parties resonated with different people, however some of the things that Hillary said or did during the election or beforehand made people vote for trump.

>>727028641

Agree 100%

I'm all for Pinochet's method of throwing leftists and liberals out of helicopters. Weeds need to be pulled out of the garden so they don't ruin the other plants.

>>727028333
>I target a specific group of Obama supporters that does indeed exist
>yu dumb! Yu roon equality! Stup ruooning ir legitmimasi
You can shut it out all you want as the left has been known recently to do, but it won't go away. Many people out there are only concerned with status, and will exploit minorities, gays, and women to get it, effectively ruining your legitimacy before I could. Don't chastise me, chastise the people that are convincing me to say this stuff to you.

We have to practice admitting our mistakes. The bandaid is accepting our mistakes, the true solution is admitting them. This kind of honesty requires effort most people waste on posturing.

>>727029309
>anecdotes

>>727029378
Admitting ones mistake is not easy. Especially if that mistake is your belief that youve been practicing for some time. Its up to them to make that decision, we can only show them so much.

>>727028641
Free speech before free shit with a price tag of becoming a slave. Scorch the earth where crypto communists lefties stand.

>>727029538
>not knowing the definition of anecdotes

>>727029616
Who you gonna send to fight that war for you, faggot? Who's gonna pay for it? Gonna privatize that shit? Faggot?

>>727022772
I think the problem here stems from anecdotal evidence being used to describe an entire group of people. You live in a mainly republican area, so you're more likely to run into crazy republicans given that there are more chances that there aren't many dems in your area.

Now the people on college campuses (myself) and liberal cities are more prone to running into crazy liberals. The experiences we have with both sides makes us think that one side is worse, and in your experience that was liberals.

I used to be a liberal before the sjw shit started happening, so that I saw the bullshit on the republican side a while ago. However now the extreme regressive left exists with all this identity politics shit, and now I'm considered a moderate. Both sides have rampant hypocrisy, and both sides are damaging the shit out of this country, while leftists try to impose laws restricting speech, the right wing is trying to outlaw gay marriage. Both sides are fucking retarded, It's too bad that Gary Johnson and Jill Stein are also shit because we desperately need a 3rd party to come in and clean this shit up.

>>727029947
>my aunts
>people I know
>what data?
k

>>727030451
>pulling my words out of context
Great argument.

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>>727030049

literally you

>>727030563
It's not an argument. I'm trying to teach a retard what an anecdote is in as few words as possible. I'm okay with it not working out.

>>727030322

I don't see this happening.

The republican values of our democracy has eroded over the decades due to squabbling by the left and the right, both of whom would love nothing more than to see America's republic fall and replaced by a dictatorship ruled by their respective sides. Sadly I think that the only way to fix politics in this country is to transition into a new form of government.

>>727030601
You seem mad.

>>727017049
Yea I agree even the subcultures that used to actually stand for something like punks and goths have just become shallow and empty and given into the sjw bullshit. Pissed me off

>>727030800
It is an argument if you're trying to dismantle my point by isolating things I said and repurposing them to be convenient to you as ammunition. Not sure why you're feeling so aggressive though.

>>727031023
Because you're being dishonest. Did you have data or did you have an impression based on what you heard from your aunts, people you know and vague other stuff? Not a trick question.

>>727017416
this

>>727021333
All forms of authoritarianism are cancer

>>727017049
We are literally raising a generation of pussies anon!

>>727030855
What we need to do is purge neocons and neolibs and start implementing serious reform. End lobbying, bust up monopolies, end domestic spying etc

>>727031189
>being dishonest
Are you sure you know what that word means? You're latching awfully hard to this cherry-picked statement.

>>727017435
fucking damn

amen

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>>727031358
/b/ is political now?

>>727031409
I know what the word means. I'm sure I'm just not prepared to be as autistically pedantic about it as you are. If you don't actually know what the point I'm making is, you'll have to find somebody else to play with.

>>727031761
>ad hominem
What's your deal man, you just trying to get a rise or are you not liking what I'm saying so you're desperately trying to get some kind of takeaway?

>>727031358

Tall order. You'll need a legislator on the caliber of Lyndon Johnson to pull off any kind of meaningful reforms.

>>727018227

I think our current POTUS no matter how shit he is, has opened up that road his scandals, any of which would have sunk any politician

>>727018843

Women gained right to vote in the 1920s, this country reached its greatness in the 1950s, its feminism not suffrage

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>>727032197
It takes a few generations for women's suffrage to destroy a nation

>>727025651
serious question, which of hitlers views do you believe were correct?

>>727017049
Self expression changed form
Lady gaga is sadly the new Marilyn Manson

>>727031746
Yep. The weirdos that was once teenage /b/tards are now middle aged. Kinda funny isn't it?

I think its that most of us are older now and younger generations always look weird, old people said the same thing about us, this generation is fine its just weird cause its not us

agreed op