Help!! Opiate addict here and I want to get clean so bad. It

Shameless self bump. I'm dying here please any opiate addicts help.

suboxone and methadone are for pussies. endure the 10-14 days of hell and if you make it through without killing yourself then you're clean.

Use kratom. It's legal, you can't od and much easier to withdrawal from. It will be safer than anything else.

>>726998139

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>>726998139
Man I can't even work or function when I'm kicking its so bad. I know I'm a pussy but it is what it is. I'm interested in either MMT or a quick bupe taper.

>>726997465
I'm not an opiate addict but i've heard kratom is good for opiate addiction

>>726998139
theyll only prolong the withdrawal too. would you rather be sick for a week or slightly less sick for a month? both are miserable but its better to get through it without any other opiates. smoking weed, using xanax, muscle relaxants, gabapentin and sleeping pills help too. gravol too.

>>726998282
Also, get regular kratom. Not the stuff with extract.

Vivatrol I am a drug and alcohol counselor fag

im on mmt. I was originally on suboxone but it didn't really work for me. MMT works much better, however I was also a hardcore heroin addict. If you're just kicking oxy, stick with subs.

>>726998282
Trust I've tried. Kratom used to work wonders but my habit has totally consumed me and kratom won't touch it. It is a wonderful herb though, anon.

Iv been on subs twice. First time for 3 weeks second for around 3 years. Id saying man up and take the withdrawals now because it sucks being dependent on maintenance drug about as bad. I got super depressed coming off suboxone this time and i feel like being on that shit for too long is just like staying on whatever you are taking now. Plus methadone withdrawal seems to be one of the most painful and suboxone lasts a long time normal opiates are easier to come off because you feel better quicker.

>>726998332

it's just a way to get yourself hooked on something else.

cold turkey and lose a lot of phone/facebook contacts that are still into that shit and you'll have a good basis to start. Get your ass in rehab, your work will understand, there is no way they don't already know anyways.

lol, if you really want to be clean is has to be cold turkey. Methadone addiction is way worse than an opiate addiction and the withdrawals from subs/done is just as bad or worse than heroin. I had to detox from three years of heroin in jail. If you go to treatment they will put you in detox first and might offer a suboxone taper which is way smarter than maintenance. I just did three months of treatment like a month ago. Shit is retarded bro.

Also, OP is a faggot

>>726997465
I'd do suboxone. Methadone has more restrictions like needing to go everyday and if you fuck up your kicked off immediately, usually, and will have a bad time. Im on suboxone. Its fine i guess. Kinda pricey but its worked, ive been clean for a long time now 1.5 years. I eant to get off it though.

All i can say is be serious about the suboxone if you use it. Dont use it as a crutch to take pills or dope and not have to worry about getting sick. That is a miserable existence.

>>726998461
Nah man I do gear too... used to be a hardcore iv user but I smoke my gear now.

methadone isn't as bad as everyone says it is if you taper off it the correct way. Of course its terrible if you try and cold turkey off methadone but no one does that shit. Going down 1-2m every week or two is what most people do. Hell when I was tapering i think i did 1 mg a week or 1mg every two weeks.

>>726997465
I prefer the subs.
Long half life stays active for days I mean it's easy to taper when you can take like 4mg a d be ok for 2 days.
I'm a heroin addict myself getting checked into a detox clinic and or rehab tomorrow. I went to the er my last withdrawl and they have a detox wing but it was full at the time still they gave me promethazine flexirl some pill to lower my blood pressure and something for sleep.
So you could do that and just add some immodium and just kick it at home.

>>726998811
This methadone just isn't a great solution. You'll have to leave your house, stand in a line, be late to work and say "no" to like 5 heroin dealers before you stop feeling sick for the day. Suboxone isn't great but does the job.
Kratom is better than nothing but it's not really going to keep you functional if you have shit to do and a serious tolerance.

>>726999057

clinics arent swarming with dealers, thats a common myth. if you arent a patient, they will tell you to get the fuck off their property. you also arent supposed to fuck around there anyway, you get ur shit and leave.

you know I probably could have gotten off with kratom but when I was in withdrawals I just couldnt keep the shit down. I always threw it up.

LIke I said, IM on mmt now and i'm doin alright.

>>726999003
Imodium def works. I've tried it in pinches and it works wonders but it's terrible for you in active doses/

why are you asking strangers on the internet. Go to a hospital and talk to your doctor. If you are poor and dont have health insurance wait 8-12 years and we might have started fixing the healthcare system to make it more affordable for you.

>>726999003
>>726999362

Don't do immodium, just don't fucking do it. Shit will fuck your heart up so badly.

>>726997465
If you really want to get clean, go on google and look up a drug addiction hotline and go through the process. It will be fucking hell but once you get through the 10-14 days, don't turn back. Whenever you think of drugs or shit, do something like a hobby. Make model planes or some shit. It really keeps the mind off free.

subs helped me get clean, as soon as you are on a stable dose, start weaning off ASAP. The doctor had me on them way too long in my opinion.
Good luck.

>>726999362
>>726999634
It's gotten me out of a jam or two. But the stuff I got from the ER really helped too.

>>726999416
He's dead by then

>>726997465
So much worth it. get off the dope. Smoke weed. Drink beer. Drop acid. Feel better.

>>726997465
former heroin addict here.
i never got prescribes subs or methadone, but i did take them illegaly once i quit. I got arrested which forced me to quit. it was absolutely terrible. ive been clean for 6 months now, and i feel great! the withdrawls will be shitty, very shitty, but you HAVE to get through them to quit. suboxone and methadone only DELAY the inevitable. in small, increment doses they will help, but theres no getting around the withdrawl. you need to quit, now. if your not B8, i wish you the best.
also, im from Oregon. was addicted to black tar for 3 years

>>726999634
Yeah I know. I don't. If I'm super desperate I'll take a whole small bottle. I don't do it anymore, I'll just take a shit ton of kratom which works even better. But I still can't leave the fucking house. God damn I've gotten myself into some shit.
I'm such a loser guys, thank you so much for trying to help. I'm honestly a good enough person but I've made some really bad decisions... thanks so much for the advice and please give more if you can. I'm saving every post from this thread on my computer. I love you sons of bitches.

>>726998139
this
its the only way

This is why I only fuck with coke

>>726999057
>it's a common myth
I guess it depends where you're going to a clinic then.

>>727001013
meant to reply to
>>726999352

>>726997465
Have you heard of iboga? its supposed to be the only thing to completely rid a person of their craving and addiction. there are some treatment centers in mexico

OP here. I guess I'd rather be in done or sub handcuffs for the rest of my life than continue this shit. Just cold turkey would work for awhile but I'd just go back. I want some sort of maintenance. I like the idea of sub because it has a blocker in it making me unable to get high even if I try. But having tried both, done is a much better replacement. I'm so lost and confused. I just want to be better.

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>>726997465
Try meth. In my view, it's much better.

I've been an addiction for 20 years. First 5 I wasn't functional. Couldn't do shit but get high an try. Clean cold turkey for 4 years. Hurt back got scribed Mas Cottin 90 migs a day. Got cut off. Went to methadone clinic (not first time) took 30 migs for 3 days and got higher than fuck (used to take 200 to be normal) quite cold turkey and the 3 days of methadone tampered out of my system slow and hardly no withdrawl. Kratom was the key though. The shit is a miracle. Gross as fuck going down, but mix it with muscle milk in blender and slam that shit. Best way to take it. Anyway. I do 30 migs of Ms contin for a week then 60 for a week then back down to 30. Throw in the kratom and I've been functioning for ten years now. Comes a time when u just got to man up. If you feel like shit so what drag your ass to work anyway cause them bills won't pay themselves and as long as u pay your bills and rent nobody can tell you shit.

>>727001601
Meh. Stimulants aren't my thing bro. Just can't get into em. Coke on occasion but only if I have benzos for the comedown.

>>727000387
OR/WA 3 yr tar smokin fool here. Clean off it for a yr currently killin the game.

>>727001704
Thank you bro. Unfortunately I work in the service industry and I can't exactly be dope sick around people. I have to operate at 100% all the time. If my nose is running and I'm coughing and puking all the time and buckling over with cramps it's not gonna go well.

Just use benzos 3 in morning 3 at noon 3 at night for a few weeks see how you feel i used to do it all the time

>>727000387
OR/WA 3 yr tar smokin fool here. Clean off it for a yr currently killin the game.>>727001563
Naltrexone and chronic dude

>>726997465
if you have a life cold turkey is a bitch. I just started using suboxone and slowly tapered off. Faster then what the doctors said, but slowly. It took me two months, still sucked. Whenever you finally come off though you barely have any withdrawls. You can't stop the depression, nothing will stop that. You will have depression after three or four days of the sub treatment. That shit is the worst, constantly thinking about real opiates.

>>727002802
Yeah the mental part is the worst. I don't care about the diarrhea and the puking as much as the anxiety. Do you mean depression or anxiety? Because I can't deal with feeling like the world is gonna end constantly. I'm okay with feeling down for a few days but I can't do the anxiety. I feel like sub is my best bet. I did a 7 day taper in 2013 and like you said the depression sucked but the sickness was gone and i stayed clean for a year.

>>726998139
Former opiate addict here, and yeah, this is the only true way to stop for good.

>>727002296
how can i get my shitty doc to prescribe them

>>727003453
I can't though I have a full time job and a lot of responsibilities. I know for a fact I can't just tell my boss what's up. I'd be fired in an instant. I've got a lot of bills to pay you know?

Look up sulforaphane op. It's an amazing compound. Will help you.

>>726997465
Dude just lower your use until you run out and quit. It's going to suck but if you really want to stop, do it.

>>726997465
man the fuck up and quit on your own

>>727003579
Shit benzos are easy. Say you have panic attacks. Describe them as having a sudden fear of impending doom that happens out of nowhere, tell them it gets so bad you start gagging or throwing up, and that it makes it so you can't leave the house. Tell them that for the most part you're fine, but that these attacks happen and have been more frequent lately. Tell them you can't sleep because it happens a lot at night when you're just reading or watching tv. You'll walk out with a script for xanax or klonopin. Don't put on a show or act dramatic, dress well and just be upfront about it. At the end ask them for some kind of benzo.

Maybe try legal supplements like phenibut. But seriously just stop using when you run out.

>>727004458
he gave me klonopin before and it made me shaky so I told him I didnt like it and i doubt the ass would give me xanax

Clean from 6 years off heroin (a pack a day of Chicago dope, 12-15 foils/bags) through suboxone.

It works except my doctor fucked me over and cut me off at 6mg that I tapered down to from 16mg. I had to cold turkey it and ended up drinking alcohol every day for a month straight...turned me into an alcoholic and had to withdrawal from that!

8 months sober now.

>>727004533
Op here. I love phenibut but it does fuck all for opiate wds

>>727003903
Broccoli, really?

>>726997465
I was on Suboxone... It's a lot better than methadone. Look for an intensive outpatient program that will give you support and medical care for the suboxone without totally stopping your life.

quit cold turkey!
do it fagget!

>>727004799
I do gotta say though I've never felt better in my life during that month from drinking from morning to night and taking a shit load of Xanax on top of that (was prescribed 6mg a day, 3 R039's) I cut that out when I went to rehab 8 months ago as well. Withdrawals from benzos and alcohol definitely is 10x worse then opiates.

>>727004754
Oh easy. Tell the doc that your mom is prescribed xanax and that she gave you one one night when you were having an episode and that it worked wonders for you. The doctor won't think twice. You're not going to get 2 mg bars right off the bar but he will script some .25 or .5 footballs for you. Benzos are really really easy. Or you might get Ativan. Shit is criminally underrated and is my second favorite benzo.

>>726998139
So, assuming you go through the acute withdrawal... You can have PAWS symptoms for much longer, not to mention the fact that getting clean has NOTHING to do with staying clean.

>>727005252
Me and my mom have the same doctor and if I recall he knows he never prescribed her xanax lol. I mean I kinda want to go in there and say " I took a benzo before and it helped" but I don't wanna come off like a druggie and make it suspicious y'know?

>>726998332
Just kicking cold turkey doesn't do anything except put you through hell without any support system. There's no shame in suboxone, it's proven to be effective over cold turkey and methadone (plus the logistics of getting methadone doses are terrible. You basically have to go every day...). Find a suboxone program that includes independent and group counseling. And tell the people who say 'suboxone isn't truly clean' to fuck themselves. I did it, it was amazing how quickly my head cleared. Suboxone was the best thing that ever happened to me, I have no doubt that it saved my life.

>>727000417

Just remember you're not alone man.
We're all feeling like pieces of shit, but we're not. Only can realize your potential when you come out of the other side.
But I can't talk, I'm still doing around 200 sometimes more oxy IR daily, and smoking gun powder when I can get it.
I will have to go cold turkey. Personally if I think there's a better way, I question it too much and it makes me feel doubtful. Just do it cold man, wishing you the best.

>>727001704
Before you got clean, were you abusing the MS contin? I have a friend, former addict, who is on it and I'm looking into the abuse potential. obviosly any opiate can be abused, but how hard is it to abuse extended release morphine sulfate?

>>726997465
haha you gon die from methadone withdrawl just like xanax withdrawl

>>727005516
You won't. I've done it before. It would be one thing if you said you had a headache and asked for percs, but anxiety is a different story.
Most docs are pretty cavalier when it comes to benzos. If not your mom then say your aunt or something. It will work. And if it doesn't you're not going to be red flagged or anything. I promise you it will work though. Like I said, benzos are suuuper easy to get a script for.

>>727005190
True story. I wish more people knew this. Benzo/Alcohol withdrawal can cause seizures and even death. Opiate withdrawal is awful, and I would recommend sub treatment, but it's not going to kill you

>>726997465
go see a doc. if they dont help you find another one, and keep looking until you find one that helps
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/treatment-approaches-drug-addiction

I don't have much to say, but don't quit quitting.

>>726997465
If you have a goal, cold turkey it like a man and say it's for that goal. Or say it's for a family member thag you love

>>726998355
No not Xanax that makes it worse. Pot is good though

>>727004852
The sprout of them is where you can get the most naturally. But it does a lot more then you think. Anti cancer, and many other thing. Trust me or don't, but it's more important then you think.

>>726997465
if you want to get clean dont take suboxone retard just go cold turkey smoke some weed youll be fine. Opiates are a hell of a drug

>>727006332
I see. So could I get away with asking for xanax straight up? He's an indian doctor keep in mind

>>726997465
You need kratom brah. Better than any pharmaceutical.

I was abusing the shit out of them and everything else. I will say ms contin is one of the best cause it has Hella legs. Once u get used to taking one or 2 12 hour pills it's easier. Part of the problem is getting in the habit of taking something every 2 to 3 hours to maintain. Ms takes a good 1 to 2 hours to kick in then build over 4 or 5 hours and slowly fades. For long term pain management and high it's my fav

>>726998332
do what anon says man. take a break from work, lock yourself 24/7, do ANYTHING that gets you clean, or you're dead anyway.

that two weeks or so are a fair trade bro. good luck

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>>727006882
I dont know jack shit about weed, if I did I would be hitting that but that's a whole other world. Is there like a weed class or something because I don't wanna get fucked by some faggot because Im very ignorant when it comes to weed and thats why I never delved into it. I know opiates like the back of my hand but weed is a whole other monster

>>727006901
Yeah. Say you were staying with an aunt or something and that you had an episode and that xanax didn't make you feel out of it like klonopin did (klonopin is a long acting benzo, xanax is fast acting and short in its action). Say that you'd like to try xanax to see if it would help. I promise you there's a 95% chance it would work. If he prescribed you klonopin he'll prescribe you xanax. They're more or less equal in strength and only differ in their length of action.

>>726997465
look OP, Im not gonna lie, its gonna be tough as fuck. you took time to get hooked, its gonna take time to get out of this shit.

you got a couple choices here.

Suboxone is nice, and blocks the use of opiates, but without further structure like NA or therapy, its tough to stay clean, because you just not take it and then get the real shit.

methadone feels a little better than subs, but you have to go once a day for a solid 6 or so months, 100% clean, to get take-homes. and you end up just upping your dose, and you run the risk of still using while on it. I see a lot of people switch to coke while on it.

then there is vivitrol.....

you have to kick the habit if you wanna do vivitrol, which is a monthly shot that blocks any opioid. works amazing for cravings too.

Ive used kratom to help with heroin withdrawals, but you gotta remember to stay hydrated, and dose often, like every 3 hours. it also doesnt take it all away, maybe takes away 75% of it. but tthats enough to get a couple hours of sleep and not feel like death.

>clean from heroin for 1 year, go me

>>727004806
Idk what you meant, but I would rather do phenibut than whatever you do. Learn to control your impulses man. Do it in moderation

>>726998139
Also former opiate addict. I've kicked several times. The withdrawal lasts about a week. Only the first few days are nightmarish. After that it gradually gets better until you feel kind of ok. Eventually you'll forget them. Substituting your addiction for another one isn't going to help.

>>726997465
Suboxone and Methodone are harder to come off of than pills or heroin. Source: I am a crisis worker for a unit that aids with detox and 28 day program admissions. Check yourself into a crisis unit. They'll give you meds to aid with the detox. It will feel like ass for the first three or four days. After that it's better day by day. If you wanna get that monkey off your back, don't put a chimp up there to fend off the monkey, order the kill shot.

>>727007214
I'll keep that in the back of my head thanks anon. Side note though, Is xanax the same thing as Klonopin? Or is it just a supernova version for lack of a better term

>>727007299
This all the way. Especially about the craving reduction with Vivitrol.

I will say u got to change people places and things for sure. I moved 3 hours away. Out of sight out of mind. That's why withdrawals ain't near as bad in jail cause ain't no use in even thinking about scoring. I recently went home and was smoking meth, eating xanies, and taking subs within about 3 hours, lol. Now I go home every 2 or 3 weeks and it never fails....half gram of ice, 4 or 5 subs, and I'm at work the next week like a fucking maniac. Luckily my job consists of checking up on contractors who are probably higher than I am.

>>727007509
They're both benzos, which if you end up hooked on those as well have a much longer detox than opiates. Same family of drugs, but different halflives.

>>726997465
I quit 5+ years heroin cold turkey. Pills are definitly easier than heroin. You can do it.

>>726997465
I just slow tapered down for 3 months and was able to get over the hill with no withdrawal

>>727007509
Xanax and klonopin are both Benzos. Klonopin has a longer half life and longer legs, xanax is a little quicker on the scene, if you know what I mean, but doesn't last quite as long.

Xanax would be better for panic attacks whereas klonopin is probably better for like general anxiety disorder... But I've been prescribed both for both. It's a matter of what works better for you, everyone's different.

>>727007509
They're both benzodiazepines. Klonopin is used more for generalized anxiety where as xanax' specialty is panic attacks. It works very fast and has a short half life. As far as potency they're pretty equal but have their own unique effects. While klonopin might work for someone, someone else might hate it because it makes them groggy and out of it. Xanax is in and out and kills panic attacks as they're coming on.

"Oh my god I'm like totally addicted to drugs what will I ever be able to do to beat this pathetic and retarded problem?"

Try not taking drugs and owning responsibility for your shitty life and lack of willpower you fucking weak worthless faggot.

>>726997465
Cold turkey is the only way to actually get clean. Quit being a fag and put it down. Addiction is not a disease like hippies tell you, it's the fact your too weak to say no which makes you keep abusing.

>>727008135
Same guy here. If a doc had no problem scripting k pins he'll have no problem prescribing xanax. I promise lol. Truth is panic attacks and anxiety is very real and everyone deserves some relief from them. Benzos are the best known medication for those conditions.

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>>727008244
>>727008273

>>726997465
I can't cold turkey.
Have the god will into you. i quited cold. trust me, you really wanna stop you can! have confidence in yourself. its fucken hard. i know how can i live w/ out. trust me shit gets better on...

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>>726997465
My mom did suboxone for the withdrawals, she would go from cold sweating, emotional instabillity, shaking, cramping and throwing up. To being her bubbly self again.

Can reccomend.

>>727008244
>has no idea how addiction works
>"better share my opinion"
Imagine you found a pill that makes all of your bad feelings and even physical sickness like colds or flu go away almost instantly. It's great at first, but over time you begin just feeling normal only if consistently taking the pills. Soon as you stop it's as if your body is caving in on itself. You can't sleep a bit, both hot and cold sweating through clothing and sheets, vomiting whatever food you try to eat, and if you're not constipated you're shitting all over the goddamned place. The worst part of it for that week is knowing all you have to do is take one pill and all those sicknesses go away.

>>727008273
Actually, though not a disease, these kinds of drugs re wire the reward pathways in your brain permenantly. OP is a faggot for deciding to use drugs in the first place, but addiction is a real issue. It literally changes your brain chemistry.

>>726997465
Smoke weed op it will help you ease off and you might actually like it it makes you happy and eases pain

>>727008795
Thanks man. That's exactly what it's like. I was broken and down when I decided to take that first oxy and it changed my life for what I thought at the time was for the better. It felt like I was transformed into some kind of super human. Everything was alright and I could do anything and talk to anyone.

Use kratom. Literally saved my life and my wallet. Been clean 5 years but I'm addicted to kratom now lol. But it's ok because kratom can't kill you and has virtually no side effects. Also a fraction of the cost. Visit /r/kratom on reddit for advice and best places to order. http://gaiaethnobotanical.com/
http://socalherbalremedies.com/ are the best sites to order from. Socal's stock is hidden so you have to search "spec" in the search bar. It doesn't matter which strain you order, it all does the same shit. Half those crazy names are just a sales gimmick. Just order "green maeng da" if you have trouble deciding.

>>726997465

suboxone/subutex: once you're so far into withdrawal that these help instead of putting you into precipitated withdrawal, you're halfway through it already so why bother?

methadone: having to show up a clinic every day at a certain is such a massive pain in the ass, plus all the drug tests they make you do, all the other stuff you have to do.. it's fucking bullshit. it's years before you can get more than 2-3 days of take homes

the answer is loperamide. it stops 90-100% of withdrawals, but doesn't get you high. so it's super easy to then taper off. at home. and it's dirt cheap. start with 50-100mg (depending on habit), and dose every 24 hours. reduce by 5-10mg per day, and you have a detox completely free of discomfort. have done it several times myself now.

>>726997465
Gotta post because there are so many faggots that don't understand how the world works and think addiction is something that happens to people with weak willpower. OP, you need to realize that if you are in a position where you can have access to opiates, you will get them. Now realize the only way to get clean is to stop taking opiates. Now put two and two together and realize that you NEED to PUT YOURSELF IN A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN NO LONGER GET OPIATES.

Go to rehab. Find a friend and tell him to lock you in a room and don't let you out for 3 days. Whatever it takes. Just put yourself in a position where you can't help but cold turkey. Do NOT trust your future self. Your future self will seek out opiates.

>>727009165
Thanks man I do love kratom. Big fan of Bali and Maeng da in lieu of coffee in the morning. Shit is awesome. My tolerance is so bad that it doesn't help right now, but when I finally come down a bit kratom will definitely make its way into my daily routine.

>>727009139
I feel for ya man. Best of luck getting clean. Seriously consider Vivitrol if you want to keep off of it once clean for a minimum of 7 days.

Drugs are bad. Mmmmmmmmkay?!

>>726998466
I've never heard of kratom not working. I'd give it another chance. I was taking 100mg of oxycodone daily and kratom killed my cravings within days. I take 2 to 6grams of kratom in a single dose, 4-6 times a day. Give it another shot. I've got friends that were hooked on heroin that got clean by switching to kratom.

i have a hunch i might know you. did you unload a few moda on a friend recently?

anyway carry on and get out of that life wrecking bullshit.

>>727009360
dang, well it'd be good to have around as a plan B.

>>726997465
I'm the opposite. I want to get into this opiate craze america has. I've only smoked weed. How do I do it OP? I've been sober for 3 years.

>>727007182
someone pls reply to me

>>726998466
Do shrooms or any psychedelic, I know they can completely change your mindset. Ween off of it or go cold turkey after.

http://howtousepsychedelics.org/addiction/
(sorta biased website but lots of information)

>>727008795
My god, you're a faggot.

I've been through addiction before, but I had the fucking grit to say "This is retarded" and just stop doing it. I also has the mental strength to stick with it during withdrawals. Fentanyl is a bitch, but I'm not...

You faggot.

>>727009546
okay

>>727009419
Oh for sure it works! But my habit is a minimum of 90mg a day to not feel sick and 260+ on the regular. Plus fent patches and the occasional gram of dope. Kratom is amazing but it isn't putting a dent in my withdrawal right now. You don't need to sell me on it though, I love the stuff and once I've cleaned up a little bit I'll be right back on the k train. I love it.

>>727009710
waste of sperm

>>726997465
took those blue guys for far too long. on suboxone now for 3 years. worst mistake of my life. honestly i wish i with through withdrawal for a week and be done. now i have an easy escape see my stupid chink doctor once a month, pee in a cup, refill, and keep pushing off weaning off this shit. it is worse. i rather detox from heroin than suboxone. it should be schedule I.

>>727009864
Ask and you shall receive.

>>726997465

My dad's a heroin junkie, and he's had a lot better luck with suboxone

>>727009908
hows it worsed

>>727010029
>worsed

>>727009908
Really man?? Fuck... I know there is an option for a taper of a maintenance plan... do you think the taper would work? Thinking about that and then getting on naltrexone or something.

>>727010112
>doesn't know what a typo is
kys

>>727009587
If you're being honest, good on you for kicking it. Also, you'd be the exception to the norm. Proper addiction is an all-consuming endeavor. How deep were you before you quit? Sold car or home to finance habit? Shot up with mud puddle water? Borrowed needles?

>>726997465
Kratom. It works.

>>727010112
>ed
calls for special ed

>>726997465
Ibogaine
from 60 30mg pills a day iv to clean
done.

>>726997465
K R A T O M

>>727010231
He's probably a teenaged faggot that licked 50 mcg/hr patches for 2 weeks and considers it a habit.

>>727010231
I have a stable job so money isn't an issue and know when to say no. I was IV so I was serious but I'm also not a fucking dumb cunt so I just said to myself "This was fun" and left it at that.

Anyone who plays the victim with drug is objectively a weak person. Period.

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Just taper... its easier than cold turkey

>>727010231

not every junkie is a moron about sharing needles or using dirty water. i've done neither of those, 14 years shooting up now.

most are that stupid tho, an ex of mine, despite me explaining shit to her, always having clean rigs for her, and telling her where to get clean rigs, still shared, and the dumb bitch got hep c

>>727010392
I've heard of this. How expensive is this treatment and where do I find it? Outside of the us obviously... and how does it kill your physical withdrawals? Forgive me but that seems impossible.

>>727010423
actually, probably this

>>726997465
Double your waiting time every time you dose. Eg wait 2 days instead of 1, then wait 4 instead of 2. If that's too hard make it less but wean yourself off

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>>726997465
I've used opiates myself but never been an addict, however I've come across alot of hardcore addicts and from what I've observed and heard from themselves, well let me put it simple.

Maintenance treatment - This is kind of an retarded idea. Take a opiate addict and stuff them with another opiate, you will 100% still get horrible symptoms and withdrawal but be high as fuck on the substitute and eventually get addicted to that instead.

Methadone - STAY AWAY, this is esentially worse than heroin and pretty much all European countries have swayed away from it due to the fact that withdrawals from Methadone is more painful and agonizing than Heroin withdrawal.

Suboxone - Tonnes better than Methadone but you will still swap one addiction out for another.

The best you can do, seriously - Is gradually lower your intake slowly and steadily, you will still get in best case very slight discomfort due to withdrawal and it will take an iron will to defeat your psychological dependence.

Do this and at some point just stop taking it, you will still go through withdrawal but it will be alot less painful albeit alot slower.

>>726997465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foE1mO2yM04

>>727010576
You're pretty judgmental for someone who has been through it themselves. Aren't you at all compassionate? You're really no different. Congrats on your sobriety though man. That's huge.

let me say it again: loperamide.

eliminates all or nearly all withdrawal, dirt cheap, and doesn't get you high at all so it's easy to taper.

>>727010623
Its a cure, i am proof. there are minor side effects but its cakewalk. If you want your life back go...
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>>727010516
>Anyone who plays the victim with drug is objectively a weak person. Period.
/thread

>>727010953
ibeginagain***

>>727010839

there's no excuse for using someone else's needle when you can always get a clean one in under 10 minutes. it's just stupidity. and gives us functional, reasonable addicts a bad name.

and what sobriety? i've been shooting up for 14 years, not sober for 14 years. i have no intention of ever quitting.

>>726997465
Oh, you've tried kratom. Well, id reccomend subs over methadone. First off, subs don't make you feel tired or lethargic like methadone does and methadone is very easy to abuse (take the methadone, add a bunch of Xanax and you're high.) suboxone is a bit easier to taper and come off of eventually, but the BIGGEST thing is convienience.. With methadone you have to wake up early as fuck and go to the clinic daily, with suboxone you just get a script and take it home.

>>727010029
I pay $25 co pay to see doctor. DEA requires I get a pee test to prove i am even on suboxone and not diverting. my insurance wont pay it so i pay $150 on charity care. My insurance stopped paying suboxone because i been on it too long, so i pay $60 for like 10 pills. I am on the lowest pill they make the 2 mg ones and i for about a year break it into fourths and take a quarter in the morning and quarter at night.

the chink now wants me to take one third a day, which bc of my fast metabolism, i cant take it once a day, so i take now a sixth in the morning and sixth at night. because it is a sublingual pill it is very fragile and due to it being so tiny hard to manipulate the pill. the film is name brand so fuck those prices which may be easier to cut though with a razor.

that being said, suboxone withdrawal lasts longer due to its longer half-life, and it really is nearly as bad as a full agonist like oxycodone.

i rather buy perc 10s on the street and slow taper, then perc 5s and be done. i have zero self control so prolly will fail. i keep saying at every doctor visit this is it, i am done, and for some reason i cannot do it. i got addicted to suboxone and because it is so easy to get makes it harder to stop. since i was paying $500+ for those blue 30's and was going well until my dealer ODed and died and my backup is now incarcerated, i had to stop this shit before i became one of them. despite that wake up call, the little amount of sub i do take still holds me by the nuts and wont fucking let go.

>>727008445
>quited
are you fucking retarded?

>>727005648
Not op but Thank you for having a sensible outlook. Suboxone and methadone have a MUCH higher success rate in long term sobriety than complete abstinence.

>>727011168
See at least this faggot is being real about it, not playing the victim and pretending he wants to get clean just because he's ashamed of how pathetic he is.

He actually seems like a kinda cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything.

>>726997465
lower dose and smoke organic indian/thai weed (not the hybrid -kush, AK etc, hipster crap)

>>727009908
THIS. anon knows what is what.

>>727010916
wat tha fak are you talkin bout

>>727006070
It is time consuming but there are guides to abusing literally every "abuse proof" medication out there. The only pill out there that has a semi successful abuse detterant is vyvanse (adderall alternative), and although it will get you high for a while, it's got a ceiling effect so when the tolerance kicks in, no matter how much you take you aren't gonna get high anymore.

>>727011300
sorry there mr. /b/ spelling nazi! guess i meant "quit"??? get a life asshole!

>>727011920
I have no life, that's why I'm perusing 4chan.

>>727009165
I really like Motarkbest, his red Bali is to die for. but those vendors are great too

>>727011355
You sound like a faggot.

>>727011355
niggerfaggot you are such a dumb oldfag, modern and hybrid strains arent hipster shit, there better than your old indigenous nigger schwag

>>727004381
What a brilliant idea! No-one has ever thought of that before.