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Obamacare is ruining the economy because it doesn't provide

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Obamacare is ruining the economy because it doesn't provide incentive for poor people to work for their insurance.
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>>726856147
People under obamacare are working people, you retard. They just do not earn enough.
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>>726856321
Yes, but the more they work the less subsidies they receive. Which is incentive for them to work less.
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>>726856856
Tell to someone working 70 hours a week on minimum wage that they shoud work more

It does not make any sense for someone to be unable to afford proper healthcare when working.

Amerifat system is stupid as shit.

So glad to be french.
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>>726856147
Minimum wage is no living wage, good job murica, only country in which its inhabitants don't get how bad they're getting screwed by their pocket filling politicians and corporations
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>>726857659
>america rated #37 best healthcare in the world
>worse than Costa Rica
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https://strawpoll.com/4w218wz
Vote Jeff
>>726849306
..
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Im so happy I live with the NHS :)
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> Fucking Americans will defend their piss poor healthcare system

Your all Gonna die early
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>>726857974
C'mon Bleegle!
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>>726858223
Early, I don't know, but earlier than US eurofags, statistically yes.
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>>726858142
Same here, la Sécurité Sociale best thing ever.
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>>726857974
I'm not getting involved in your bestiality fetish gay sex cult for virgins
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>>726856147
Take away people's healthcare and let 30k Americans die per year as a stimulus for working, fucking hell, do you even hear yourself? There are more options here..
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>>726856147

The people who are on Obamacare are, as pointed out above, generally working pretty damn hard. I'd even say that they're probably working harder than any of those fat-ass stockbrokers who sit in a chair all day and get interns to do all the work for them. Also, every other industrialized nation of any note has some form of single-payer health care, and I'm sure as fuck that the Japanese and Germans are working harder than you.

As an aside, if the point of healthcare is to ensure that the whole populace is healthy, then free-market healthcare makes literally no sense because there's no profit in providing health insurance to sick/poor people.
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>>726858223
Technically our life expectancy is declining while obesity rates rise along with various chronic conditions. Only thing to do is stay healthy an keep a bullet in the chamber of (one of) our guns.
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Coverage goes down
Premiums go up
Preexisters are covered with less coverage and higher premiums

Instead of paying for Obama care I saved a rough 3000$ which I can put towards antibiotics and a docta visit if I get sick

Too bad the government wouldnt make any money off a tax free medical environment

Or a tax free education environment

Huh who woulda thunk that if everything gets worse more expensive more people in coverage with less overall coverage... We make more money? And help less sick people? And we get government access to health and medical too boot.. who woulda thunk
WTB
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The implication is that there is a link between work and wealth.

NEWS FLASH: That bond was broken decades ago.
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>>726856147
knowing 4chan probable a v low chance you will look into this but I'll post it anyway

http://www.dancarlin.com/common-sense-home-landing-page/

check out his latest episode as he goes into this whole healthcare issue in extream detail from a fiscaly conservative position.

get some actual real thought into your head for a change.
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>>726856856
We should all work less. Fuck your Puritan garbage ethics.
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>>726856147

Being able to pay rent and afford groceries is incentive enough, poor people would take a job even if it didn't include medical insurance cause they need it to survive. Assuming they didn't turn to crime already, i mean.
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>>726856147
>Obamacare is ruining the economy
>[citation needed]
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Do you stupid americunts really work 60-70 hour weeks? How and why?
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>>726858923
because the invisible hand is sacred
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>>726858923

Puritan work ethics. Not necessary for high quality of life nor for a successful society, as any person living in any other first world country knows.
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>>726858142
It'll be gone by the time the Tories are voted out
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>obama makes plan for single-payer tax plan
>senate republicans gut the plan
>entirely different, ineffective plan
>call it obamacare

This is like blaming the carpenter when someone burns down the building he creates.

If the Democrats had a fucking spine, we'd have single-payer healthcare instead of this shit.
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>>726856147
That's what medicaid is, and medicaid existed before Obamacare.

Troll harder next time.
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>>726859110

>implying the tories are ever going to be voted out
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>>726856321

>earn enough

Hmm, I wonder how much tax they pay, and how much their employers are taxed...

>TFW you pay the equivalent of your mortgage payment in taxes every month
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>>726858923
Yes, mainly becuase shithead think Unions are worse than autocratic gov't.
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>>726859149

Not even close to reality, faggot. Obama always denied single payer except behind closed doors.

His first draft was basically just sucking off the insurance companies.
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>>726859192

>TFW if you lose your job cause it gets moved to china you have to pay almost no taxes at all, while the bank doesn't give a fuck and expects that mortgage anyways
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>>726856147
Then have one of your twats propose a better version of the healthcare bill.

Oh wait, you can't. Because conservatives are comprised of a bunch of fucking retards.
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>>726856147
Americans need to read this now! http://www.ipanon.com
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>>726859456

universal health care works in first world countries that can afford it. for reference, look at pretty much any first world country that is not the US, except maybe switzerland. If americans want the poor to suffer cause they deserve it cause deus vult, or muh invisible hand or some bullshit, it's not my problem, they can do as they wish in their own country. But they really have to stop lying about the fact that socialized helthcare doesn't work. It does. Better than the system they have. Just deal with reality please.
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https://strawpoll.com/4w218wz
Vote Jeff
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>>726859303
Canadafag reporting in.
Enjoying universal health care here. Our system is awesome and if our government tried to take it away or change it into a system like yours, there would be absolute fucking war coming at them.
I feel truly sad for you retards who think you're not getting triple-raped by your own government, not with this issue, but with all issues. They're the ones who have allowed the insurance industry to assfuck you all. Fuck all of you for having the audacity to blame your situation on Obama. He was the only one who had the balls to stand up and fight for a good system. He was rewarded with being allowed a retarded piece of shit bill to be passed that he didn't agree with, and who others dubbed "Obamacare" so that his name was branded on something terrible forever. The end.
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>>726856147
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>>726856147
Bullshit. You have to work full-time before HC becomes an entitlement. ANYTHING less and you're at the mercy of your employer (read: you ain't getting shit other than your hourly pay).
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How do you explain Scandinavian countries and Canada then?
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>>726860664

Talk to me in a few years after this new flood of refugees disrupts all that.
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>>726860664

>canadafag reporting in

Me too... and I can tell you're a millennial.
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>>726859847
Right. Because waiting 6-12 months for knee surgery in Canada is working out so well.
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>>726860929

Ever wonder why Canadian politicians and the rich go to America for treatment? No? Didn't think so.

>waiting lines
>not enough money

That's socialism for ya.

Oh, and may I direct your attention to the national debt?

-A Canadian
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>>726861168

French here.

On average, waiting time are lower in France/Canada than in the US in non life-threatening situations.
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>>726860664
>Our system is awesome
lol have you read the news lately?
it's good, but has some serious issues that need to be addressed.
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OP here. I was in college when Clinton was president. I remember representatives from companies literally waiting for me to graduate from my shit college so I could work for them. Economy was bustling at that time because Clinton actually rewarded people for working.
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>>726861382
Walk in, pay the money. Get treated. That is not the case in Canada.
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>>726861067

According to the WHO, Canadian Healthcare is one of the worst amongst the first world countries. Still better than the US. Try not cherrypicking one of the worst examples next time. Venezuela is going full communism and i'm willing to bet the situation is even worse there.
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>>726861533

You cute little thing. Ever been at a hospital?
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>>726861494
Exactly. It is not a democrat versus republican problem in the US, but a social problem. It is complain enough and the government will take care of it, not the people taking care of themselves.
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Bait

Kill yourself
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>>726861885

Yeah, but the reward should be luxuries. Not basic humans needs without which you might die or be unable to ever get back on your feet if you turn your life around and want to work hard.
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>>726861726
If it is life threating you are good. Otherwise, not so much.
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>>726861168

Got any evidence for that?

And for that matter, even if it was valid how do you explain the fact that all the American rich go to Mexico?
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>>726862108
I totally agree with you anon.
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>>726861726

>he thinks the emergency room is health care

You don't walk into emerg for cancer, faggot. You get referred by a doctor, and wait months to years for treatment and drugs that *you have to pay for*
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>>726856147
shut up trumpfag
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>>726862198

https://www.google.ca/search?q=canada+waiting+lines+health+care&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=Wg_XWM-PIqfPjwSk17eAAg

Stop being so lazy, faggot.
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>>726861709

I was hospitalized for a pretty severe case of pneumonia in Finland. A night and a day in the hospital plus medication ran me a total of 38 Euros; it would have been cheaper if I wasn't a foreign student.
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>>726862245

Yeah, it looks like a 5 year old wrote that... but try writing on CT money.
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Obamacare is garbage because it literally requires every citizen to have it. And if i can't afford to pay my endlessly rising premiums, i am fined even more for not having healthcare coverage. Why am I being penalised for not having a healthcare plan? Since when was it the law for me to take care of myself? The problem isn't that the government wants me to have healthcare, the problem is that i don't have a damn choice.
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>>726862255
Excellent reply. I bet your mother is proud of such a well spoke individual.
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>>726856147
Why has unemployment not increased since it was implemented then
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>>726861533
Is that the case in the US? No
If you have insurance, you have to get a bunch of approvals for specialists, wait on line for specific kinds of treatment, be force fed a bunch of iatrogenic treatments that have harmful side effects and very low Bayesian probability of doing any good for you
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wages havent really risen with inflation since the 80s but why would the 14 year olds of 4chan understand that hurf hurf niggers hurf hurf
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Why is America able to establish national healthcare for countries it helped rebuild, but not for its own people? I'd rather my tax dollars go to healthcare & education than needless defense spending, or bribing other countries for cheaper oil prices.
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>>726862230

Basic human needs include healthcare and education for your children* BTW.

*provided they are smart and get good enough grades. which is something THEY work hard for. Instead of the hard work that comes from daddy in countries where college costs a fortune.
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>>726862245
First, it's not like that in a Canadian hospital. My aunt and grandmother both had cancer over the last few years, and let me tell you it was wonderful, and both happened to survive too.
Second, in America you're diagnosed with cancer and either go into some kind of debt you never get out of, or you just let the cancer have its way with you so you're able to leave some money to your family. Or your insurance denies you and you die anyway.
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>>726862678
wages haven't risen with inflation since women started to work and the potential workforce doubled far outpacing the number of actual jobs
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https://strawpoll.com/4w218wz
Vote Jeff
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Keep voting Jeff!
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>>726857332
Fake news.
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>>726862881

>he doesn't know what priority is

https://secure.cihi.ca/free_products/wait_time_report2016_en.pdf

There are thousands of people every year who die waiting on a list, Anon.
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>>726858558

> $3000

Better hope you don't get sick then, that's not even enough for a one night stay in a hospital in America
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>>726862245
Canadians have drug coverage if they're below a certain income level. And if they're over that level they can truly afford it. This *you have to pay for* bullshit you speak of is a non-problem.
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>>726863265

Do you drive without insurance?
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>>726863094

It's really not. We yuropoors might be all killed by muslims soon, but at least we won't leave our families in massive debt from cancer treatment.
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>>726863330

You don't get to bypass the wait times, faggot.

Richfag Canadian? Wanna pay for your own private care on your dime, and your schedule?

>that's illegal
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>>726857974
>https://strawpoll.com/4w218wz

voted ryan fuck you
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>>726856147
OP, your argument is faulty. Take your shitty right-wing economic politics and shove them, you fairy tale motherfucker.
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>>726863465

So you're saying richfags in Canada can't bribe their way to shit-on-poor-people town? How horrible.
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>>726863465
It doesn't seem like you responded to the right post. Nothing in your response had anything to do with what I said.
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>I'm dying, please help
>No problemo, gimme a few weeks

http://globalnews.ca/news/3084366/q-a-how-long-are-medical-wait-times-in-canada-by-province-and-procedure/

By the way: Look at your deductions on your pay stubs... for what they are taking, you could have premium coverage in America.
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>>726863075

I'm American in my 20s. I never vote nigger
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>>726863725

>implying life-and-death situations require the same waiting time as something like knee surgery and priority isn't a thing.
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>>726863688

So you're defending having to pay despite already paying taxes your whole life, and ignoring the waiting time for crucial surgery / procedures.

Gotcha.

Wait until life bites you in the ass, kid. You're in for a surprise!
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>>726863906

>he didn't read the article

Cardiovascular: 8.4 week average
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>>726864076

of course i didn't, i responded way too fast.
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>>726864076

>waiting over 2 months for heart surgery

Oh, Canada! Our home and native land...
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>>726863950
Nope, you still missed my point completely. Of course I wasn't saying that. That's retarded.
Take a few deep breaths, calm down.
Go back and read.
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I paid 25K in income taxes this year... don't forget property and sales taxes, too.

Oh, well... government knows best. I'd have probably wasted the money anyway.
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What Canada needs:

An opt-out for socialist medicine, and opt-in for private coverage.

I could have full coverage with zero wait time for half the price of what I am taxed for.

I have it for my car. I have it for my life. I have it for my house. Why not my HEALTH? Why do I not have control over that?

Wanna get your tubes tied in Canada? Good luck with that! Have as many abortions as you want, though...
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>>726863725

>pay stubs

How much income taxes does someone who lost their job cause the company moved to Romania have to pay? Cause they still get healthcare coverage in countries where something like the NHS is in place
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>>726864315
if you say things like that, then we KNOW you would waste the money. you're absolutely shit with money, you can't manage or maintain money, and you can't run a business to save your life. you're a republican.
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In Canada, you are not intelligent or emotionally stable enough to get your tubes tied... only the government can make that decision for you.

You're not a responsible adult.

http://www.chatelaine.com/health/canada-tubal-ligation/
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>>726864748

>what is sarcasm

Nigga, you dumb.
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>>726856147
You're a fucking moron.
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>>726864774

Why are we discussing the worst example of a first world country with socialized healthcare? Does america's wonderful capitalist system fear a comparison with crashy-faily places like Italy or Spain?
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>>726857332
no one in america works 70 hours a week you stupid fucking cunt
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>>726856856
This is 100% true. I work 50+ hours a week. I make $14.43/hour After taxes, child support, rent, and paying my bills, I'm lucky to have enough left over to buy food most weeks. Not to mention every 3 months I'm on the hook for 50% of my son's state subsidized health care, PLUS my 50% of his school tuition. I "earn" too much money to qualify for subsidized health care. But if I were to pay for a health plan I'd have to work another 30 hours a week JUST to pay for it.

I currently suffer from a Maxillary Breach of my right sinus, and can't afford to have it fixed. I live in pain 24/7 because of it. Meanwhile my waste of space neighbor collects a check every month, has his rent paid for by the state, collects food stamps, and sits at home smoking weed all day because he's "Disabled" The little fucker claims he has anxiety disorder. I hate this fucking system. It NEEDS to go!
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>>726856147
America: the only developed country on the planet whose population are denied a universal healthcare system, and the only one whose population are stupid enough to argue to disassemble the fragmentary system they do have.

Incredible.
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>>726866060

Socialized healthcare sounds like socialism. And socialism is pretty much communism. Therefore using tax dollars to pay for everyone's healthcare means Stalin wins and all the babies get eaten. Glory to mother Russia.
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>>726866278
Also the only country incapable of differentiating between socialism, and communism.

do you use roads? sewers? the mains water? get educated at school? call the fire brigade when your house is burning down?

congratulations, you use socialism.
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>>726866693

difference between "real socialism" and "social state" is also important. Cause the first is soviet communism, the second is what every capitalist country has (in different degrees).
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>>726861709

thing about Venezuela it doesnt cost $1500 for an x-ray
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>>726866919
exactly. (or near enough)

but these mouthbreathing idiots have been so indoctrinated into the terror of the Red Menace, that they think that anything "socialist" means jackbooted goose-stepping straight out of the Kremlin.

Japan? Communist. Europe? All communists. Canada? that's a RED leaf...
and so on.

and they're willing to actually harm themselves because of that pathological terror. It would be laughable if it wasn't such a human tragedy.
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