It's been too long since we had a magic (magick for all

TRADITION?

Not a magical practitioner myself, but I knew some witches in college. Thought it was all bullshit until this guy who was visiting them threw a couch through a window with his fucking mind, although the "witches" were just as freaked out as I was, so maybe it was something else.

im catholic

>>726839781
Yeah, like different methods of magic. A dude using kharmic controll and energy manipulation will have a very different outlook on magic that an oldschool druid or a modernist or a corporate mage or something.

>>726839846
The true wizards around here.

>>726839216
Practioner of the Dark arts, mostly conjuring and energy manipulation

i only make some tulpas, i practice with sigils, i believe on many things, im not good at all.

>>726839815
Yup, that's what tends to happen when you get a bunch of college kids going through a wiccan phase and expose them to an actual practitioner.

>>726840178
Why do you call it the Dark Arts? That seems like it would be terrible for PR.

How do I start?

i believe, all the traditions are wrong and right on almost everything.
the years change the meaning of the words and the knowledge are re-writed.

>>726840709
Depends on what you want to start doing, There are a LOT of different ways to approach the study of magic. For example, you're going to be taking very different approaches to the study if you're taking a neo occultist approach than you would for a modern "corporatism" approach, or a semitic approach, a nordic approach, whatever. There are loads of different schools of thought to follow.

only spoken and mental incantations for me

runes, glyphs, and sigils have their place, but a sharp mind and sharper reactions tend to separate the novices from the serious practitioner fast.

>>726839216
>2017
>people still believe in magic
>even claim to be wizards
oh god why

>>726841039
Where do I even start reading?

Wtf is a corporatism approach?

>>726840095
do you mean there are things other than "fireball" ?!

>>726839216
>When did you get started?
Got a degree in partical physics, got hired by a Red research facility when my magical talent started to mannifest.

>your tradition
Scientific, I guess. Tradition doesn't exist so much in the research climate. I guess the most comparable tradition would probably be Black's realism, but without the pseudo spiritualism.

>>726841533
OH MEN I WANT MAGICAL TALENTS,
i love the magic but i cant do anything

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>>726839216
Trained in the art of buttcrack

>>726839781
>>726839815
(This shit never happened, thanks for the laugh).
>>726839815
>>726839846
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>>726840178
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>>726841533

Reminder that magic doesn't exist, you're not special for getting high and being an unhygenic hippie who reads their copy of the necronomicon.
Quit living in a fantasy world and face reality.
Your lives are being wasted on fairy-tales and ancient folk garbage that has long overstayed its welcome in the world.

Get a life.

>>726841242
>a sharp mind and sharper reactions tend to separate the novices from the serious practitioner fast
Which is great and all but you tend to hear that from people who just couldn't cut it when the math and physics started creeping into their magic.

>Shit bruh, we don't need that book shit, we're all natural and shit!

>>726841512
>Where do I even start reading?
Just do a shallow dive into everything. Start looking at the basics of different traditions and figure out which one appeals to you.

>Wtf is a corporatism approach?
It's the modern scientific approach to magic. Technically it's supposed to be called academic or scientific magic, but a lot of people call it corporate magic because almost all the research done is funded by a few specific corporations that are ahead of the curve when it comes to paranormal research. Corporate practitioners tend to be some of the best in the world, but they're also generally not well liked by most of the community, because the corps do some really shady shit sometimes. Best to keep clear.

>>726841865
you dont matter, remember you are not a hero.

>>726841763
>i love the magic but i cant do anything
That doesn't mean much. 3/4ths of the people involved with magic these days have no actual talent, they've just got a strong enough grasp of the magical theory, magic, and physics, that they can get a job at a research facility. Being a dud won't stop you if you're willing to work hard.

>>726841865
guess someone is in order to get a fireball

>>726842224
you're right man, only fireballs matter

>>726842224
Took the words right out of my mouth sweetheart.
What spells have YOU learned today, hm? Conjured a demon? Placed a rune? Cursed a few school children?
Your entire existence is a joke.
When did your father stop talking to you entirely?

>>726842236
speaking about magicks, did you read about the contrapion to transmit electromagnetic pulses without latency regardless the distance using "wormholes"?

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>>726842236
>>726842077
>Magical theory
>Modern scientific approach to magic

Holy shit this is gold. How's your freshman year of highschool going kiddos?

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>>726842414
please sir, stop or someone here will be obliged to conjure a fireball

>>726842414
everyone is going to die, someday, and nothing will make our destiny diferent, everyone lives on a lie.
the existence of everyone is a joke.

>>726842667
or a fireball

>>726842414
im gonna conjure a demon in your anus

>>726842667
>>726842768
why no both?

>>726842667
Moreso with the life of people who think that magic actually exists.
I'd ask you to prove it but there'd be some mitigating factor that somehow and coincidentally prevents you from presenting to me that it does exist.

>Y-you j-just have t-to open you-your m-mind..!

Tell it again.

>>726839216
I practice nigger magic.

I can summon niggers in white face to dance for me and sing songs. Then i force them to whip eachother and lick cotton balls.

Tried summoning a gang of Crips once. They moved to LA.

>>726842786
Please do.

>>726839216
I've been studying Enochian for 10 years with excellent results.

But the wise man knows that he truly knows nothing.

>>726842900
>My fucking sides.

>>726842842
because fireball is no joke

>>726842573
Think what you will, but magic is creeping into modern science (especially physics) more and more over time. Ever think how weird it is that a lot of these advances seem to come out of nowhere, with zero advances for decades on a particular problem, then it suddenly gets cracked over night? A lot of that comes from a corporate research lab figuring out how to do something with magic, then finding a way to translate that method into purely mechnical means. Quantum computing? Originally magic. Cold fusion? Originally magic. Fuck, even if you want to go back as far as the invention of radio, that shit started with a dude trying to recreate the effect of an artificial causal link created between two objects using thaumaturgy (literally just recreating vibrations in the air inside a pair of tubes, basically a phone).

>>726842930
>Insert quote that literally everyone knows to make yourself look like a beacon of wisdom and intelligence

Bruh. The lack of self-awareness is real.
You can't do magic either. Quit veiling the bullshit over your eyes.

>>726842853
no, no no, everything I MEAN EVERYTHING IS A JOKE, my life, your life, our lifes are a fucking lie, but everyone chooses a diferent lie.

>>726843031
replacing the wheel with a bigger wheel is magic huh?

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>>726842853
dat feel when ur a simpelton and can't figure out magic is not like in harry potter, but rather being aware and knowing what action causes your choice of reaction.
>mfw

>>726839216
>when you try your >>>/x/ roleplay on /b/ and no one bites

>>726843031
listen kid, fireball is the only true magick. if you don't get science, it's not everybody else's fault

>>726843031
>Modern advancement in technology and scientific innovation is coming out too fast so it must be some unseen force that doesn't exist that me and my virgin friends give validity to.

Good one.

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>>726842900
I'm going to lead the niggers from LA to Detroit like a modern day Pied Piper. Planning on using an old school boombox instead of a flute.

>pic related

Serious question here: As practitioners, have you guys achieved any effect that is undeniably a result of magic, absolutely impossible otherwise?

>>726843190
>fireball
learn to use FIREBALLS (plural)

one is good, multiples is better

if they aren't dying, spam more

>>726839216
You think quiescence doesn't apply because you're Awakened and on the internet kiddo?

>>726843171
>knowing what action causes your choice of a reaction

Oi, pal, stay on topic, we're talking about your little pagan phase that you'll hopefully grow out of, not determinism.

>>726843329
>absolutely impossible otherwise?
As far as most traditions are concerned, this is impossible. Magic isn't cheat codes for the universe, it's just an alternate route to take on your way.

I HAD TWO VERY VERY BIG FIREBALLS IN MY PANTS RIGHT NOW

>>726843350
fireballs are just multiple fireball as you said.
everything comes from fireball and everything will end to it.

>>726843329
ever look up into the sky and see that bright thing?

that was the result of a duel

one practitioner launched a fireball
the other launched a bigger fireball
now it is self sustaining but dying over time

>>726843438
It contains the same amount of lunacy as religion.

Watch:
>I feel Christ because I just know he's there.
"Can you show him to me?"
>No but damn it I know he's there, I feel it all the time.

>Hey guy, I practice magic and I feel it all around me
"Can you show me?"
>No, you just have to open your mind and let the feeling come to you".

>>726843544
so... if we crash a fireball with a fireball?

>>726843646
refer to >>726843604

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>>726843604
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!

>>726843604
>fireball wise
you're a true magick pratictioner, my friend

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Magic is not real!

Youtube James Randi

NO ONE EVER PROOFED THEY HAVE SPECIAL POWERS

There is a 1 million dollar reward for anyone who can proof that he/she has "magical powers"

ITT: Schizophrenia

>>726843646
you get a fireball, thank you for the interesting question

>>726843816
he didnt see my fireballs

>>726843854
we need a meme about fireballs

>>726843923
instahead of bananas

>>726841533
>Got a degree in partical physics
>partical physics
>can't even spell "particle"
Nobody is buying your bullshit.

>>726843923
if you understand the true nature of the fireball, you won't have any issue creating one

>>726843329
To answer this question it has to be broken down to specifics, because this

>achieved any effect that is undeniably a result of magic

doesn't connect with this

>absolutely impossible otherwise?

Because it's possible to do things with magic (magic here being referenced as the method, not the result) that you could do without it.

For example, it's possible to pick up a can of coke with magic (the result being the can being picked up, the method being magic) that you could still do by mundane means (the result being the can being picked up, the method being just using your hand).

So to rephrase your question into two separate questions that make more sense:

>Can you obtain any result by which the method of obtaining that result was undeniably magic?
Yes and no. Yes you can have events where magic was undeniably the cause (using directed evocation to throw a can of coke, for example), the forces being enacted are the same as if you did it in a mundane method (just kicking the can of coke) in that whether you're using directed energy from magic or using your foot, it's still just kinetic energy acting on the outside of the object (can of coke).

>Can you do anything with magic that you could not do by mundane (non magical) means?
The hypothesis "nothing can be done with magic that can't be done by mundane means" is a statement that can't be falsified, so the question can't be answered. Generally speaking it's assumed that that there's nothing magic can do that you couldn't do with sufficiently advanced science, but you can't really ever prove that.

>>726844040
i think everybody here knows what only elementary magick particle there is

I'm a JizzWizzard.

I masturbate for 4-6 hours every day, and collect the results in buckets.

I can fill about 4 buckets a week.
Then I dump to full contents into a couldron, and wave around two xxl fleshlights while chanting "COCKS! COCKS!."

When im finished, my jizzcoction turns into a sticky white paste. I then strip down completely naked (besides my magical cock ring of course) and smear my nude body with my wizzjizz.

Then i grab my wand (dragon dildo) and run out the front door shouting war cries while casting spells on my neighbors.

It really works.

>>726843631
Hardly. Magic can clearly be demonstrated, you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm saying that you can't do anything with magic that is physically impossible. To use the example this thread does so seem to love, if a magical practitioner threw a fireball (which I'm not sure is actually a real thing you can do, it's just an example), it's something that can still physically happen: it's possible for thermal energy to be expended in the way it was by that spell. I wasn't saying it can't be quantified, I was just saying that you still have to stay within the rules of what is physically possible.

>>726844112
it isn't falsifiable the opposite too, smart ass.
only fireball is.

If you people want to talk about magic, you should either be doing it later at night when all the kids are asleep, or you should be doing it on >>>/x/ .

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the magic of dubs little children

having two repeating digits cancels all forms of magic lower than it

>>726844385
im gonna put my fireballs on your face

>>726843031
>Ever think how weird it is that a lot of these advances seem to come out of nowhere, with zero advances for decades on a particular problem, then it suddenly gets cracked over night?
No, because that doesn't fucking happen. Anyone who actually worked in the field would realize this. Name one advance that was "cracked overnight".

>quantum computing
Doesn't real. There is the D-wave, but it isn't general purpose, it just uses quantum annealing for analog optimization, and even that doesn't seem to actually speed up calculation at all. And it didn't fucking come out of nowhere, do you not realize how many people are working on quantum computing?

>cold fusion
Definitely doesn't real. WTF are you talking about? This is one of the most famously overhyped experiments in history.

>>726844316
listen, if you don't know fireball i don't think you're really a pratictioneer. everything about magick comes from that.
now, if something is possible with magicks, how can you say something is impossible without it? how can you say that without understanding the fireball?!

>>726844490
sorry, after a very horrifing accident i won't do anything that requires multiple mages

>>726844654
Cold fusion occurs in space, due to the lack of oxidation. Does it not?

>>726844654
It's basically just constructive and mildly entertaining LARPing, dude. Usually if I drop anything vaguely scientific sounding in these threads in the same breath as magic these guys eat it up because they feel it justifies their beliefs, then I get to fuck around with them, and more importantly, explain why the best method of becoming a wizard involves getting a degree in physics or engineering.

>>726844677
so fireball is the staple of magick

what do you have to say about all these ice shard users?

wouldn't their ice melt into water(base element) and they could utilize it from there?

>>726844926
take away the fireball and you get ice. beginners know this.

>>726844677
>>726844926
Nigger I skipped Fireball and moved straight to Thunder Dick.
Get on my level.

>>726845032
and the thunderbolts?

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alright this is the test:

which spell does this simple rune cast?

>>726845198
just fireball conjured in a very specific way. well, not so specific, because usually occur even naturally.

>>726845190
im a nigromancer, the nigrocooks will defeat you and the fireballs

>>726845330
i clearly see the mark of the fireball there.