Not a magical practitioner myself, but I knew some witches in college. Thought it was all bullshit until this guy who was visiting them threw a couch through a window with his fucking mind, although the "witches" were just as freaked out as I was, so maybe it was something else.
>>726839781 Yeah, like different methods of magic. A dude using kharmic controll and energy manipulation will have a very different outlook on magic that an oldschool druid or a modernist or a corporate mage or something.
>>726840709 Depends on what you want to start doing, There are a LOT of different ways to approach the study of magic. For example, you're going to be taking very different approaches to the study if you're taking a neo occultist approach than you would for a modern "corporatism" approach, or a semitic approach, a nordic approach, whatever. There are loads of different schools of thought to follow.
>>726839216 >When did you get started? Got a degree in partical physics, got hired by a Red research facility when my magical talent started to mannifest.
>your tradition Scientific, I guess. Tradition doesn't exist so much in the research climate. I guess the most comparable tradition would probably be Black's realism, but without the pseudo spiritualism.
Reminder that magic doesn't exist, you're not special for getting high and being an unhygenic hippie who reads their copy of the necronomicon. Quit living in a fantasy world and face reality. Your lives are being wasted on fairy-tales and ancient folk garbage that has long overstayed its welcome in the world.
>>726841242 >a sharp mind and sharper reactions tend to separate the novices from the serious practitioner fast Which is great and all but you tend to hear that from people who just couldn't cut it when the math and physics started creeping into their magic.
>Shit bruh, we don't need that book shit, we're all natural and shit!
>>726841512 >Where do I even start reading? Just do a shallow dive into everything. Start looking at the basics of different traditions and figure out which one appeals to you.
>Wtf is a corporatism approach? It's the modern scientific approach to magic. Technically it's supposed to be called academic or scientific magic, but a lot of people call it corporate magic because almost all the research done is funded by a few specific corporations that are ahead of the curve when it comes to paranormal research. Corporate practitioners tend to be some of the best in the world, but they're also generally not well liked by most of the community, because the corps do some really shady shit sometimes. Best to keep clear.
>>726841763 >i love the magic but i cant do anything That doesn't mean much. 3/4ths of the people involved with magic these days have no actual talent, they've just got a strong enough grasp of the magical theory, magic, and physics, that they can get a job at a research facility. Being a dud won't stop you if you're willing to work hard.
>>726842224 Took the words right out of my mouth sweetheart. What spells have YOU learned today, hm? Conjured a demon? Placed a rune? Cursed a few school children? Your entire existence is a joke. When did your father stop talking to you entirely?
>>726842667 Moreso with the life of people who think that magic actually exists. I'd ask you to prove it but there'd be some mitigating factor that somehow and coincidentally prevents you from presenting to me that it does exist.
>>726842573 Think what you will, but magic is creeping into modern science (especially physics) more and more over time. Ever think how weird it is that a lot of these advances seem to come out of nowhere, with zero advances for decades on a particular problem, then it suddenly gets cracked over night? A lot of that comes from a corporate research lab figuring out how to do something with magic, then finding a way to translate that method into purely mechnical means. Quantum computing? Originally magic. Cold fusion? Originally magic. Fuck, even if you want to go back as far as the invention of radio, that shit started with a dude trying to recreate the effect of an artificial causal link created between two objects using thaumaturgy (literally just recreating vibrations in the air inside a pair of tubes, basically a phone).
>>726843329 To answer this question it has to be broken down to specifics, because this
>achieved any effect that is undeniably a result of magic
doesn't connect with this
>absolutely impossible otherwise?
Because it's possible to do things with magic (magic here being referenced as the method, not the result) that you could do without it.
For example, it's possible to pick up a can of coke with magic (the result being the can being picked up, the method being magic) that you could still do by mundane means (the result being the can being picked up, the method being just using your hand).
So to rephrase your question into two separate questions that make more sense:
>Can you obtain any result by which the method of obtaining that result was undeniably magic? Yes and no. Yes you can have events where magic was undeniably the cause (using directed evocation to throw a can of coke, for example), the forces being enacted are the same as if you did it in a mundane method (just kicking the can of coke) in that whether you're using directed energy from magic or using your foot, it's still just kinetic energy acting on the outside of the object (can of coke).
>Can you do anything with magic that you could not do by mundane (non magical) means? The hypothesis "nothing can be done with magic that can't be done by mundane means" is a statement that can't be falsified, so the question can't be answered. Generally speaking it's assumed that that there's nothing magic can do that you couldn't do with sufficiently advanced science, but you can't really ever prove that.
>>726843631 Hardly. Magic can clearly be demonstrated, you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm saying that you can't do anything with magic that is physically impossible. To use the example this thread does so seem to love, if a magical practitioner threw a fireball (which I'm not sure is actually a real thing you can do, it's just an example), it's something that can still physically happen: it's possible for thermal energy to be expended in the way it was by that spell. I wasn't saying it can't be quantified, I was just saying that you still have to stay within the rules of what is physically possible.
>>726843031 >Ever think how weird it is that a lot of these advances seem to come out of nowhere, with zero advances for decades on a particular problem, then it suddenly gets cracked over night? No, because that doesn't fucking happen. Anyone who actually worked in the field would realize this. Name one advance that was "cracked overnight".
>quantum computing Doesn't real. There is the D-wave, but it isn't general purpose, it just uses quantum annealing for analog optimization, and even that doesn't seem to actually speed up calculation at all. And it didn't fucking come out of nowhere, do you not realize how many people are working on quantum computing?
>cold fusion Definitely doesn't real. WTF are you talking about? This is one of the most famously overhyped experiments in history.
>>726844316 listen, if you don't know fireball i don't think you're really a pratictioneer. everything about magick comes from that. now, if something is possible with magicks, how can you say something is impossible without it? how can you say that without understanding the fireball?!
>>726844654 It's basically just constructive and mildly entertaining LARPing, dude. Usually if I drop anything vaguely scientific sounding in these threads in the same breath as magic these guys eat it up because they feel it justifies their beliefs, then I get to fuck around with them, and more importantly, explain why the best method of becoming a wizard involves getting a degree in physics or engineering.
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