>GOP cucks had 7 years to create an ACA replacement >they

>>726730404
Socialized medicine is a shit idea to begin with. You can only polish a turd so much. You know what people with money who live in Canada do when they get sick? They come to the U.S.

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>>726731088
>this thing will be written and re-written over and over again until its perfect
so they can perfectly fuck you with it
>>726731275
as someone from canada who makes more money then you do, no we dont

>>726731561
It's impolite to lie on the internet, anon.

>>726731275
You;re full of shit and obviously have no concept of "socialized medicine" (whatever the fuck that is supposed to be). I assume you mean universal healthcare, which is actually a brilliant idea (not always ideally implemented) and is in place in every civilized country in the world. Only the US is so fucking self-centered and greedy that we won't collectively pay to provide all our citizens with reasonable healthcare

“The worst thing you can possibly do in a deal is seem desperate to make it."
-Donald J. Trump, The Art of the Deal

https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/845065880979591168

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This is a broken promise. Trump is a failure. Obama made his happen even with a republican house and senate. And he didn't have seven years to work on it.

>>726730404
Because they were planning on repealing it not replacing, and made the mistake of listening to all you whiners

>>726735687
They made the mistake of listening to the people they work for?

>>726732811
you're retarded and it is obvious you know nothing of healthcare, now get your homework done Billy otherwise mother wont let you have Ice cream after dinner

>>726735900
you mean the louder minority of them, Liberals scream and burn shit until they get what they want

>>726730404
The only ones to blame are the stupid fucks that defected.

I'm just waiting for the next time somebody says "he is doing everything he said he was going to hurr durr"

he hasn't actually accomplished one fucking thing. This is just his biggest failure so far

>>726731275
That's because the specialists located in the US vs Canada.

>>726730404
Their bill sucked to the people that mattered.

I'm sure insurance companies are pissed because they would have made a lot more money with this bill.

The GOP were too greedy this go around

>>726731275
Wow, I've read some moronic shit on here before, but you just made the top three with that one!

>>726736554
Not that Anon, but you're the one just proved he don't know shit.

Not even enough to mount a good argument.

Dumbass.

>>726736912
Oh look everyone, a 14 year old that doesn't know what he's talking about

>>726735537
> Obama made his happen even with a republican house and senate.
Why do progressives keep repeating this blatant lie?

Obamacare passed without a SINGLE Republican vote. How was that possible? Because in 2010, Democrats had the majority in both the House and Senate.

Trump will want to pass the blame, as if #Trumpcare wasn't his even though he campaigned for it. Ryan will be the scapegoat. Popcorn please.

https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/845360646556434433

>>726731088
>he Trump administration is doing some unbelievably really really great things, really great.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

takes breath

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
STUPID TRUMPFAG

>>726737748
Now that's a solid argument. It's up there with "neener-neener" and "no, you!"

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>>726731275

If the free market hadn't been such a catastrophic failure people wouldn't be interested in socialism in the first place.

>>726737543
Stop repeating your OWN lie.

There wasn't support for single payer in 2009, you fucking faggot.

>>726737821
It's up there with "you are a useful idiot."

Which you are.

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>>726731088
>The Trump administration is doing some unbelievably really really great things, really great.

>>726737968
shh you'll make faggot mad>>726737821

>>726730404

>>>/pol/

Faggot OP

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HEY ALT RIGHTIES! WATS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD? HOW'S THAT HEALTH CARE BILL THING GOING???

>>726738026
NO
MAKE ME FAGGOT

FUCK TRUMP

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>>726730404
>Why can't the Right do anything right?
Well... They just allowed ISPs to sell and share your browsing history without consent.

I guess that's good... for business

>>726731088

oh look faggot's post was so stupid
he deleted it

kek

>>726737821
To be fair the trump supporters go to arguments are "sure kid", "that's fake news", "faggot/cuck/snowflake" and "WRONG" (<----the meme, not the disagreement)

>>726730404
Because all the niggers already on shitcare, we have to do something to keep them on a plan. Personally I say drop ACA and say fuck em but apparently their votes count unfortunately.

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>>726731275
Canadians that live here go to Canada for healthcare so you're literally wrong on all counts.

>>726738116
If I found out that my personal info had been sold to some corporation and they were making money off me

I'd sue both the ISP and the corp
and it would be upheld in court

the Republicans dun goofed

>>726737293
kek

>>726730404
>>726730404
>Why can't the Right do anything right?
The right helped defeat this mess.

>>726738214
Have you not read the news or do you live outside the states because.........

>>726738334
Because what?

Because you don't know what a major lawsuit is?

>>726735537
Not one Republican voted for Obamacare. The Dem majorities in the House and Senate passed it.

>>726737483
Not the guy you're replying to, but can you post some of the things he's done?

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More
The Art of the Deal
1. Don’t learn abt the deal
2. Take someone else’s deal
3. Let 3rd party offer worse deal
4. Beg
5. Give up on the deal

>>726738194
He didn't say Canadians don't go to Canada for healthcare, he said those that can afford it - go to the USA for healthcare. This is true. This is overwhelmingly true.

You see, dumbass, in Canada you can be on a waitlist for over a year for a surgery. Even life saving surgeries can have insane wait times. You cannot buy your way to the front of the line. In the USA, you can have surgery anytime you want it. Besides, the best doctors in the USA in most people's opinions. How do I know this? Because follow the money. The wealthy can go anywhere... and they come here. Why? Why not Cuba? Why not China? Why not Kuwait?

Dumbass.

>>726738384
Because they pass a bill in the states that will allow that so the only way for that NOT to apply to your retarded ass is if you lived OUTSIDE of the states, or you think it doesn't because you haven't kept up.

No go read the news instead of looking up more loli porn because very soon that info's gettin sold

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>>726738331
The right helped defeat the mess that the right created, and left Obamacare completely intact as the law of the land. I guess that's a good day's work, then. Wonder if they're celebrating over a beer...

>>726737848
Stop trying to hide your lies with more lies.

Of course there wasn't support for single payer in 2009. But that wasn't what you said. You claimed "Obama made his happen even with a republican house and senate". Since we don't have single-payer NOW, there's no way you could have been talking about that. So you were clearly talking about Obamacare, the claim that the Republicans controlled anything when it passed is a fucking lie.

A universal healthcare plan like Bernie's would cost literal trillions.

This 'plan' put forth by the GOP was a rush attempt at best that didn't even have the support of those within their own party. It was an awful plan.

I still hope Obamacare is repealed, but replacing it with something like this last proposition would have been almost as bad, if not worse.

>>726738214
Well then you better call a lawyer

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>>726738214
OMG, you faggots are retarded.

The rule in question was NEVER ENACTED.

Also, Senate votes alone are NOT BINDING.

Lastly, it's the ISP's information. It exists on their machines that you agreed to use, unless your contract says otherwise.

>and it would be upheld in court
No it wouldn't, see above. And you don't "uphold" lawsuits. Verdicts are upheld on appeal, and laws are upheld if challenged as invalid.

Fucking morons, I swear to God.

>>726731275
Socialized medicine is awsome.
Believe me. I live with it every day. It's cheap, it's good, and it has accidental benefits that are awesome.

For example, poor people who would otherwise be scared and desperate because they can't get treatment for their kid/spouse/dad get treatment for their kid/spouse/dad and are less desperate.

If you're working, get into an accident and puncture your lung you go to a hospital, get out, still have a job and aren't covered in debt from head to toe and don't have to do any legal shit. You can just get back to work.

>>726738694
Not the same poster.

Just hate it when faggots go "durr u had a majority why u no single payer."

The legislation got watered down because of conservatives in the Party.

>>726738764
Fuck you. It's a blatant violation of privacy.

This shit is going to be challenged up to the Supreme Court.

>>726738700
I'd rather see trillions spent on universal health care instead of trillions flushed down the toilet bombing brown people.

>>726738451
6. Blame obama for the deal gone wrong

>>726738764
>everything you post on Facebook is Facebook property
>everything you post on 4chan is 4chan property.

Remember how Facebook tried to pull that card? Remember how everyone shouted them down and they backed off?

This is how government works. Laws will have opposition to them. In order to get them passed there is a give and taken between opposing factions until both are satisfied. There will usually be a sweet spot in the middle where there is a balance between those factions and the law will pass, aka common ground, etc. Sometimes there isn't. That's when you walk away from the table and try again another day. making deals 101.

>>726738689
The right didn't create Obamacare. Even the Democrats didn't know what they were voting for.

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>>726731275
>Muh sociuluzm
>Dont touch my Medicare though

>>726739029
7. Look up Melania's dress
8. Look up Ivanka's dress
9. take out fleshlight later, alone in room

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>faggots who fap to my little pony talking about health care bills they haven't read.

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" You cannot buy your way to the front of the line"
One of the many reasons I love being Canadian.

>>726739090
Yes they did faggot. Except for the mandate and the pre-existing conditions part.

>>726738412
>The Dem majorities in the House and Senate passed it.
So they could find out what was in it

>>726739005
At least you have something to show for it when you bomb brown people.

>>726739005
THIS, FUCKING THIS. EACH BOMB COSTS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I DONT GIVE A ENOUGH OF A SHIT ABOUT SOME ANGRY GOATFUCKER TO JUSTIFY THAT EXPENSE.

>>726738835
Which nobody in the thread said, so congrats on attacking a non-existent strawman.

Though the reason single-payer failed wasn't because of conservatives in the Democratic party, It failed because universal healthcare in general was polling terribly (the majority opposed it, even in the general sense), and full scale socialized medicine (like single payer) did even worse. So the Dems hedged their bets, and designed Obamacare to be a disaster so when it failed they could ride in with single-payer to the rescue.

Which is about as stupid as the Republicans failing to repeal it entirely.

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>>726731275
Being this brainwashed is just sad.

America can apparently do anything. They put a man on the moon. They have the largest and most powerful military the world has ever seen. They have more billionaires and millionaires than anywhere else in the world and yet when it comes to supporting and helping those that have been fucked over by rampant deregulation and corporatism to the point where the entire governments (both left and right) are essentially plutocracy's and yet the poor working whites are still brainwashed to believe that universal healthcare is simply impossible and that supporting the poor will destroy the country can be incredibly exasperating to watch.

The working class right wing have been convinced that they are temporarily embarrassed millionaires that are being held back by (Obama, Mexicans, Muslims, etc) when the truth is that they have been tricked again and again in to blindly supporting policy that fucks them over and directly lines the pockets of the already wealthy.

60 people on earth control HALF of the resources of the entire planet. Until people despite their political affiliation realise they are ALL being fucked and that democratic socialism IS THE WAY TO GO then the rot will continue.

You can point and laugh at me and call me a "libtard" for my steadfast belief in SENSIBLE democratic socialism but you're on the same sinking ship as me. "Winning" won't mean much in the end.

>>726738898
Fucking right it will, if I have to write the appeal myself

Trump presidency:
-Popular vote: Lost
-Inauguration crowd: Small
-Nat. Sec. Advisor: Resigned
-Muslim ban: Blocked
-Obamacare repeal: Failed


https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/845392886619422724

>>726739005

An additional $18T in debt so that everyone can get the same crap healthcare isn't a deal I can get behind.

>>726739260
>It failed because universal healthcare in general was polling terribly (the majority opposed it,

Bull fucking shit
any poll will show the public has wanted it for years

>>726739208
So you consider Nancy Pelosi right wing?

>>726738214
Do you know how marketing works?

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>>726730404

>>726739340
So? Raise taxes on the rich.
Won't affect you.

>>726738650
Prove it. Just as many people leave the US for medical treatment as come to the US for medical treatment. US offers elective treatments faster than some countries like Canada but there is no "long wait list" for life sustaining surgeries in Canada.

>>726739224
kek
> red people

>>726739131
10. Grab them by the pussy.

>>726739346
The Democrats could have come up with a better plan that didn't resemble the Heritage Foundation version, and yes it turned people off.

>>726730404
Republicucks

>>726739079
This is how government works but not how the Trump Admin works. The president likes to bargain with passive aggressive pandering and bold faced lies. He manipulates markets by moving around money to make it look like he has greater influence on them than he has and then he threatens people who don't do his bidding. He did the same thing to the republican members of the senate and he'll try and reintroduce this bill replacement in 2018 after he starts trying to rail against republicans that are trying to get re-elected. I guarantee you he's going to be railing against senate members during their own runs.

>>726739354
Do you know what the 4th Amendment is? This law is un-Constitutional.

>>726737834
>>vox

>>726739525
refute the fucking argument

there would be ZERO subsidies if the private sector paid living wages

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"Why do they call him the Joker"
"Because he wears clown makeup!"

>>726739345
How old are you? Because except for a few very specific provisions (like pre-existing conditions), the polls showed the pubic was strongly against universal healthcare when Obamacare passed.

In fact, that's the precise reason why the Dems lost both the House and Senate in 2010, and still haven't gotten them back.

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>>726739699

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>>726739090
> The right didn't create Obamacare.

They sure did. It was called romneycare before it was Obamacare. This pic explains it pretty well.

BUT, that's not what I was referring to or talking about. The previous post poster said

> The right helped defeat this mess.

The only thing that was defeated today was trumpcare. Obamacare is still the law of the land.

>>726739699
Hillary pls leave

>>726739402
That's as big a lie as trickle-down economics.

>>726739402

Do you really believe that would happen?

The new taxes people are already paying are too high. Under Bernie he would want a 50% or more tax bracket on the wealthy.

There's no way people would willingly pay that rate.

Instead you'll have what you have now: the middle class buried in additional premium hikes and deductibles for coverage that's worse than when the ACA passed.

>>726730404
Because the only people who vote right are old people who are stuck in a 1950s reagan fantasy or young illiterate rednecks who voted for Trump because he's a non-PC contrarian, as if that somehow qualifies him to run a country.

Anybody who has actually analyzed the feasibility and effectiveness of his policies knows he has nothing of substance to offer, but most people are too stupid to actually do that and so base their voting preferences off of memes and personality traits.

>>726739700
>the polls showed the pubic was strongly against universal healthcare when Obamacare passed.

Horseshit. Article from 2007:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/01/washington/01cnd-poll.html

>>726739826
How is it a "lie?" It would raise the needed revenues for all sorts of social programs.

>>726739330

executive branch: in our control
legislative branch: in our control
SCOTUS: going to fill like 3 seats

git fukin mad faggit

>>726730404
This is where you're proving that you're a fucking sheep that your shitlord liberal single parent has programmed to be a retard.

The GOP plan is just fine. The reason that it got shot down, and continues to face such resistance is because you fucking idiots don't realize how fucked you are with the "Affordable Care Act"

>ACA plans only work if you make less than 12000 annually, because that's the line for subsidy
>real working people have the option to pay anywhere from 300 to 700 dollars monthly for plans that do not cover anything until you pay 3000 to 7000 dollars out of pocket first (respectively)
>the tax penalty is 695 or 2% of gross income for not being insured
>so, 700 to 1000 dollar tax penalty, or 12000 yearly for insurance that doesn't cover anything.

Unless you're an indigent nigger, this is nothing but a "let's rob whitey" cash grab issued by the slickest porch monkey since Billy Dee Williams. And you fucking millenials bought this jigaboo bullshit.

You're the reason the country is fucked, not the Right.

>>726739832
>The new taxes people are already paying are too high.
Bullshit.

You could tax the holy living shit out of the rich and they'd still be RICH.

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>>726739832
When taxes were above 50% America prospered.

>>726731275
That last part was like a word-for-word piece of Fox news rhetoric that, as usual, has no actual basis but has been repeated enough times that the average conservatard accepts it as irrefutable fact.

I'm guessing you also still believe climate change is a "liberal hoax"

>>726739905
>inb4 "polls are meanginless, look at trump!!!111"

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>>726731275
keep listening to rush limbaugh jack ass

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>>726739978
>our

Real Question for /anons/

Trump said Health Care had to be done first in order to pay for tax reform as the savings from repealing and replacing Obamacare would be used to fund lower tax rates.

Now that Obamacare is not being replaced or repealed, how is Trump/Republicans plan to pay for tax reform/lower tax rates?

>>726740016
>supports a potty mouthed racist country
>blames others

>>726739978
>in Bannon's control

fixed

>>726740320
How are you so retarded to think that just because they met opposition that Obamacare isn't going to be replaced or repealed?

Do you need to be reminded to breathe or something?

>>726731275
u'r an idiot...

>>726739804
Seriously, part of the reason why Obama won a second term was because the Republicans literally chose the worst possible candidate.

The finance sector was blamed for the Great Recession, so who did they pick? Not just a finance guy, but one who was known for taking over companies and firing everyone. And the Republican base was charged up to fight Obamacare -- and they chose the guy who invented it.

What's really appalling is that Romney did so well. Against a candidate who was less of a cluster fuck, Obama would have been doomed.

>>726740505
Bullshit. The Republicans have nothing but trickle-down faggotry and business acumen hypocrisy.

Trump's win was a fluke.

didn't Trump get less votes than Romney?

>>726739963
You'd have to start taxing savings, not just income, for that to even have a chance to work.

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>>726739832

Bernies tax plans were a bit more in-depth and well thought out than that, anon.

https://taxfoundation.org/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan/


All that top 1% of 1% talk from Bernie that he banged on about all the time is a really important issue. SIXTY odd people own half of the planets resources. Do you think such a small amount of people should control so much wealth and resources? Doesn't it all seem a bit.....I dunno, anti-human?

I didn't agree with Bernie on every thing but I am completely convinced that democratic socialism is the best way forward for modern society. It does NOT mean we throw away the capatalist mindset. That would be a disaster. But we do make certain things human rights. Healthcare being top of that list. America is RICH as FUCK! You don't have to turn the uber wealthy in to paupers but at some point you have to make a stand and say that we can't have the vast majority of the planets resources being directed to a group of people that probably have less people in it than this thread does.

That is just insane.

This video shows how fucked up it all is and this is from 2012 so you know it's even worse now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

>>726740681
Bullshit. All we'd have to do is eliminate a bunch of loopholes.

We wouldn't even have to raise the tax rate.

>>726740648
was for
>>726740505
The right might be against Obamacare but they are the minority. If y\they even knew the facts about universal healthcare, many would change their minds.

>>726740497
look at the number of replies
are you sure he's the idiot?

>>726740016
This.
> minus the racism, but the rest is solid

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>>726740035
When taxes were above 40%, nobody paid them.

>>726740681
Sanders had a plan to tax Wall Street that needs to be revisited.

>>726740018

That isn't my point. Increasing taxes on not just ordinary income, but things like capital gains is a bad idea. No real point to invest if every risk you have to take is taxed at the ordinary rate. You shouldn't have to pay a higher rate for working harder or having a good idea.

>>726740035

Tax rates and brackets have changed significantly over the last several decades. Read up on Hauser's Law about collecting tax revenue before you get out of hand with old brackets you don't understand.

>>726740911
And yet we had a surplus under Kennedy.

>>726740963
Then you don't believe in progressive income tax. Good for you.

Nobody cares.

>>726740963
Um, that is the point.

The rich have no reason to bitch about taxes--it ultimately doesn't affect them adversely.

>>726740613
What's Trump got to do with Obama vs. Romney?

Or can't you read?

>>726737821
Dealing with Trump. Logical argument.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>726730404
>GOP
>fix something
that's not their job

Democrats build, Republicans destroy

they simply don't know what to do, no joke

>>726741143
Because Trump is ultimately another version of Romney:

a failed businessman who doesn't pay taxes, pushing supply-side economics.

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>>726740468

>>726740765
I'm all for eliminating loopholes, but the problem is defining "income". Because the rich make most of their money through investment and owning companies, not through something like a salary or even a dividend. That's how people like Rockefellers managed to avoid almost anything, when income tax was 94%. That mostly just hurts the working professionals, not the really rich. The alternatives are taxing savings/investments, or greatly increasing the capital gains tax, which is a great way to kill small businesses (and it's small businesses we need to protect, not the big ones).

>>726740722

Look, I get your point anon. I do think that healthcare is a very important subject that should be resolved, but in the right way.

I think the free market is still the best way to govern. The problem with regulations is more that they don't evolve fast enough with the current pace that business overtakes them which causes one incident after the other.

If income is taxed at such an extraordinarily high rate along with other things such as the capital gains tax then incentive to make money will begin to dissipate.

No system is perfect, but free market capitalism is still the best one out there.

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>>726741278
I'd wrap her in a flag and suck her.

>>726739832
You know how to create a middle class in the US?

1. Create MORE tax brackets, the top bracket at $400k is fucking stupid. Make a bracket at $500k, $1MM, $3MM, $10MM and $100MM. Lots of fucks make a shit ton. Then increase the marginal tax brackets for the above to 42%, 45%, 55%, 65% etc. Top brackets in the fucking 50s were near 90% and we were fucking fine.

2. Make fucking corporations taxed differently from individuals! SO FUCKING NEEDED. Republitards love to talk about not increasing taxes because it "kills jobs". Well dont let corporations and individuals get protections from this shit. When a wall st trader makes $500MM a year, hes not a god damn job creator. Make him pay a different goddamn tax.

3. Keep the goddamn estate tax in place. When you inherit more than $5MM fucking dollars, you get a 50% tax on anything above it.

If you do these 3 you prevent the US from becoming an Oligarchy and fucking eveyone over. But it will never happen because Reps love to have the 99% be poor as fuck. You create the society where an Orange retard is our President

>>726740874
Wonder if there will be a rage tweet later today, or if he will just call in an airstrike on the Capitol

>>726741472
>raise the capital gains tax

they'd still be rich, faggot

>it would hurt small business
no it wouldn't

it would still be a progressive tax

>>726739415
This is essentially true.

I remember one conservative Canadian trying to argue about how their healthcare system sucked. They actually stated "I had to wait 4 hours in the emergency room once."

Apparently they had no clue that waits that long in the US are common, if not longer.

>>726741133

bad b8 m8

>>726740855
>racism included to capture attention of /pol/tards that read these on /b/
>offense not intended

>>726741582
You tax the rich, they stay rich.

How's that bait?

>>726741289
No, he's really not. Trump's a demagogue, Romney was a stiff suit who never could figure how to talk to real people. Trump's at best a mediocre businessman, Romney was actually pretty competent (just not in nice ways).

They're both rich, but that's about where the similarities end.

>>726741068

Don't be an idiot. Ordinary income is separate from capital gains.

>>726741514
Things Democrats have been pushing for and Republicans obstructing--for years.

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>>726741490
>and suck her
interesting choice

I'd beat her with a shovel then bury her in a swamp, but braindead soccer moms aren't my thing

>>726741571
You don't understand what a capital gains tax is, do you? It affects all businesses equally. Progressive just applies to personal income.

>>726741697
the capital gains tax would not affect someone making millions of dollars off investments, nor would it on those making thousands

you're carrying water, faggot
stop being so amusing

>>726741787
No it doesn't. Businesses take in what they take out.

It would affect the rich and you know it.

>>726741514
>1. Create MORE tax brackets, the top bracket at $400k is fucking stupid. Make a bracket at $500k, $1MM, $3MM, $10MM and $100MM.
They'd just leave their money in their businesses.

>>726740963
>No real point to invest if every risk you have to take is taxed at the ordinary rate

The government shouldn't be subsidizing risk. If you lose on the roulette wheel that's your own loss. Personal responsibility.

>>726741648
I just laid out a bunch of similarities between the two men.

Thanks for ignoring them.

>>726741879
> Businesses take in what they take out.
That literally makes no sense. Read some basic economics sometime.

>>726742124
Sorry you can't read.

There is literally no evidence that raising the capital gains tax would hurt small business.

Faggots like you who whitekight the rich always expect stupid arguments like this to be taken seriously.

>>726741894
It might incentivise them to actually create jobs with the money they left in the business.... Also when they take it out they would get hit will the tax. Or am I missing something?

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>>726741483

That's why we need to figure out a sensible and rational way to tax the UBER wealthy more without removing the desire to strive for wealth and success that leads in to innovation.

It's my opinion that things are so ludicrously top heavy that there are ways of achieving that goal of supporting free tuition and universal healthcare without gutting the positives that come out of an innovative and capitalist society but we simply can't ignore the massive problems that unchecked capitalism has wrought. There simply has to be a better way.

I'm of the opinion that the democratic socialist model is the best. I also think the name "democratic socialism" had a branding problem after decades of the narrative being that "socialism = bad" even though D.S isn't *really* socialism. It just means that some things are off the table when it comes to profit motives.

Bernie made so much sense to me. Is he idealistic? Sure. You need someone like Sanders to rock the boat and show us that the emperor has no clothes though. The plutocracy of American politics should not be a partisan issue. It's infected both the left and right. Get money out of politics. Figure out a fairer way to reverse top heavy capitalism and the extreme wealth retention of a small number of elite. These things ARE doable but the narrative is so locked in to make people vote against their best interests.

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Serious question. During the previous presidency, was there this much whining about it on this board, or this a unique occurrence? I didn't pay any attention to any political topics then, and even now, I try ignoring them.

>>726734186
Underratted

>>726742085
You claimed they were failed businessmen, I pointed out that's false. You also said they don't pay taxes, which so clearly false it doesn't really need to be refuted (if you meant they didn't pay enough taxes according to whatever standard you want to apply, that's something else entirely and would require a much longer post). "Supply side" doesn't really say much.

So yes, I responded to your points. You just didn't say much.

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>>726740016
>"The GOP plan is just fine"

>GOP controls the house & senate
>GOP plan gets shot down
>b-but i-it's t-the D-Democrats f-fault!

>>726741894

>They'd just leave their money in their businesses.

That seems like a good thing...

>>726741483
>I think the free market is still the best way to govern

But the free market already failed on the issue of healthcare. If it hadn't been a failure there would have been no motivation to try to reform the healthcare system in the first place.

>>726741278

literal autism

>>726742597
And yet he's still 100% right. Funny that.

>>726742393
>You claimed they were failed businessmen, I pointed out that's false. Y
Where did you do that?

Trump=5 bankruptcies
Romney=Bain Capital failure

Trump=avoids paying taxes
Romney=a multi-millionaire claiming he paid 12%
>Supply side" doesn't really say much.

The fuck it doesn't. And both men believe it's a valid economic mechanism.

They have a fuckload in common, anon.

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>>726741775

>>726735537
>Obama made this happen with a rep house and senate
Stop spouting bullshit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses

>>726736912
If you say so. You haven't been reading the news, though.

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>>726742669

>>726742597
Name the last thing the Republicans "built."

We'll wait.

>>726738193
I've seen some pretty racist and retard tier shit on this board, but that's pretty much at the top for me.

>but apparently their votes count unfortunately

You're terrible.

>>726742820
>the news
>breitbart

pick one

>>726735537
>This is a broken promise
>Trump is a failure
You realize it was Trump who levied the "either give a decent plan or pull it" right? He's the one who put the kabosh on the GOP health bill.

>>726740305

Yep, my party, not yours. You lost. You took a giant dick in your ass and you're still sore about it, and I love every minute of it.

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>>726730404

>>726737569
>GOP health bill is now Trumpcare
>Trump wasn't the one who told them to pull it
Faggot, even CNN is reporting that.

>>726742886

"I doesn't swing my way, therefore they are liars" - faggots everywhere.

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>>726742846

the autistic screech of the progressives out of power

>feels good man

>>726737748
I mean, if it wasn't for trump, the GOP bill would have been put to a vote and might have passed, so....

>>726737834
>Healthcare
>Free Market
Gee, it's almost like you've never heard the term "big pharma"

>>726730404
>implying the republicans are right of center

>>726742294
It generally creates waste, because the way businesses work they have to spend the money now, which means they can't build up reserves and go on questionable spending binges. This is not one of those areas where there's a really easy sound-bite solution.

Getting rid of loopholes would help, because the very nature of loopholes means they favor those with the resources (lawyers accountants money) to exploit those loopholes. In fact, throw out the whole thing and replace it with a clean new tax code. There are simply too many special provisions designed to favor this industry or the other, this business or the other, this group or the other.

And seriously rethink estates. I'm a big of fan of killing off all the trust fund kids -- let them get rich on their own or get a job, instead of getting millions from mommy and daddy. And things like the Tolkien estate. The problem is figuring out a way to do that without forcing the neighborhood car wash to fold the instant daddy dies. (Because with a high estate tax, the kids would have to sell it, which kills multigenerational small businesses.)

>>726735687
Shut up retard they have no fucking clue what they are doing. It's so fucking obvious.

>>726741278
>Democrats destroy, Republicans destroy

ftfy

>>726738214
Then why haven't you been suing Facebook for years, cuck?

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>>726739186

If you don't have socialized medicine, there is no line and you get seen right away.

You're like half a step away from being British with your acceptance of the queue

GOP approval is surprisingly low given how much of the government they control right now.

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>>726741490
>>726741775
why not rape?

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>>726743004
LOL all the libtards man! It's so fun to be on the WINNING team with Trump, huh!

It's sad how people treat politics like supporting a sports team.

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>>726738214

>thinks that when he types things into a computer and launches it all over the open source internet that the information somehow belongs to him

>>726741483

I think a better society is one where you don't go 100% free market...

Certain things in society can be much better if you socialize them.

Health care: When you treat it like capitalism you encourage profits. When you want profits, you find ways to limit health to people. So people will die.

Hospitals: They are for profit, and the natural capitalistic process is to consolidate and make larger hospitals so they are more "efficient". Unfortunately, this limits their access in rural areas, rural people have to travel farther, might die on the way....

Lighthouses: There is no fucking company that would every make a lighthouse, you cant make any money off them, but they are a public good that are necessary. This is a classic example.

Health Insurance: In line with Health care and hospitals, you have CEOs making multi-millions on charging people more for poor coverage for 1st world countries.

Education: When you make this a voucher system, a la Betsy DeVos, you get schools that compete with each other, poor and rural areas gets closed, the rich all go to one school in the general area, get preferential everything, poor kids dont get educated well, rich kids never get exposed to poor people then go on in life shitting on the poor, start wars, become republican etc.

Watch "where to invade next" by Michael Moore

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Have you guys seen this girl on a bread before?

>>726738441
>Instituted a new budget that is reversing the debt
>Done away with housing bills that would artificially inflated the market, inevitably causing another housing crises
>Pulled the disastrous GOP health bill
>Called the media on their bullshit and made butts hurt everywhere
>Stepped up enforcement of deportation of illegal immigrants
>Urged Nasa to set its focus onto Mars

You want more?

lmao libcucks celebrating double digit (% wise) premium increases just because they hate Trump and want to see 'his bill' (which he probably didn't even read tbh) fail.


Enjoy 6 figure student debt along with paying 20k/yr for heatlh care by the time you turn 26 losers :D :D :D

>>726743351
>It's sad how people treat politics like supporting a sports team.

Yep, that's what I've been saying forever. It's exactly that - just something where people who otherwise do not give the slightest of shits will now have a team to cheer for, and they cheer really hard for about 6 months and then they go away again. In this instance, you have people cheering for and against a bill they have not read, nor have they read the dozens and dozens of changes in the last week alone, nor is health insurance something they even care about on any level.

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>>726739820
it's Bill actually

>>726739005
Then I suppose you best look to Obama.

>>726742356
Not after the first 2 years. Think it will die down after a few more months. Anytime Trump does something dumb, there will be a thread. That could mean we have a long 4 years.

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>>726739869

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>>726738689
Fake quotes.
I read the book.
This is bullshit.

The commie left are making shit up and posting it in this thread.

>>726743004
>>726742846
So you can't think of any examples.

Typical hivemind frogfag.

>>726739039
Remember when Facebook didn't sell off your data to third party advertisers? Oh yeah, neither do I.

>>726743481
dont forget
>simultaneously cut funding for programs to enrich culture and the arts
>reduced the nasa budget by 0.6% from last years budget
>made false claims on literally everyone, and then denied those claims almost in the same sentence
>pulled out the entire budget from the health and human services department

Go Trump.

>>726743373
yeah sticking up for the 4th Amendment is hilarious, Chuckfag

lol

>>726742689
Do you understand "creative destruction"? You can't point one failed business and claim someone is a failure. Except in rare cases, success requires failure as well as success, it's the net result that matters. And Romney is definitely a major success. Trump is more middling, because while he's still rich, he didn't beat the S&P 500.

And on the tax thing, you still haven't explained why you think Trump pays no taxes, and saying Romney paid 12% is very different from what you said originally (0%).

And "supply side" is basically used like "fascist" is these days. It's an insult that can mean almost anything, so it's meaningless without specifics.

>>726731561
At least make it a convincing lie. This is pathetic.

>>726743431
>Watch "where to invade next" by Michael Moore
while I agree with your post 100%, you're going to bring the derpers out of the woodwork with this

>>726738805
>Socialized medicine is awesome
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34859860

>>726743681
Most of Obama's money was spent fixing Bush's mistakes, anon. Don't even be a faggot about this.

God knows what he could have done if he had been handed a better economy and no Iraq.

>>726738835
Literally nobody said this you dumb faggot. And even if they had, it wouldn't matter, single payer health care is not, and was not a popular idea. Not even half the democrats would vote for it when it was presented.

>>726743004

>out of power

denied muslim ban...twice
destroyed repub healthcare plan

>>726738805
Bullshit. Where are you from? Tell me how the economy is doing.

>>726744003

lol still blaming Bush. Get the fuck outta here.

>>726738898
Let us know how that goes. lel.

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>>726730404
The funniest part of all of this is Trump's own supporters will suffer the most if his agenda is implemented while liberal coastal elites will get richer.

>>726743272
you get seen right away if you are a millionaire....anyone making under $75,000 per year is fucked!!!!

>hundreds of furious political opinions fired off into the void of 4chan
>not a single mind changed

Why do you faggots even bother?

>>726739208
>They knew what they were voting for
>Except the parts they didn't

>>726731275
>You know what people with money who live in Canada do when they get sick? They come to the U.S.
canadian here, this isn't true. For some specialized treatment that's not available in Canada people will go to the US but usually their provincial healthcare will pay for t

>>726730404

>implying the GOP really wanted to replace it and give up their shekels in the first place
>implying the two-party system is actually bipartisan
>implying congress isn't almost-entirely populated by globalist commies

How's David Brock's recovery going?

>>726743828
Romney's 12% tax figure is an obvious way of saying he really doesn't pay any.
That meagre amount for a multi-millionaire? Bullshit.
>You can't point one failed business and claim someone is a failure

There is literally no excuse for a man worth millions to declare bankruptcy and fuck over his investors. That's what Trump did, and Romney's company went bust similarly.

And supply side is fascism, anon. It means something very specific, that it's OK to give the richest people a break on their taxes, when they should be paying more.

>>726738441

You know... I was going to say 14 underage b&, myself. Must be spring break.

>>726744027
>single payer health care is not, and was not a popular idea

read the thread next time faggot
>>726739905

>>726744118
That just tells me not everybody is a seflish prick. Some people are willing to accept sacrifices, for a better world.

Are people looking forward to losing their health insurance or something, let them fail.

>>726738805
Fuck poor people. They're all low-IQ degenerates that need to become extinct. Those worth pity (accident/injury, severe illness, etc) can be cared for by family.

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>>726743914
Not realizing the Conservatives have been trying to destroy the NHS for decades. The strikes are all in response to the Con's attempts to destroy it and their defunding of it.

The NHS is not perfect (nothing is) but it's an INCREDIBLE institution. I received amazing care when I was badly electrocuted when I was younger. Months of top quality care with a bill at the end of it for a big fat $0.

Socialized medicine IS awesome.

>>726744373
Getting fucked in the ass so someone can get rich isn't a "sacrifice" anon.

>>726743784

you forgot

>allowed coal companies to dump in lakes and rivers
>removed healthcare from 20k+ coal workers
>increased defense budget
>spent more on traveling in 3 weeks than obama did in an entire year

>>726739330
OY VEY

>>726744154
It's good practice. These arguments exist irl.

>>726739869
>Reagan fantasy
>1950's
>Just under half the us is now old people
Goddamn you're dumb.

>>726744059
How could you not blame Bush, anon?
> 2001
> I go to your house, start throwing all your shit at your neighbors' house
> Get in a huge fucking fight with them
> Make it so the bank forecloses on you
> I leave before you come back
> ''Wow anon your house is shit, looks like hundreds of thousands of $ worth of damage, plus your whole neighborhood hates you''
> ''Wow anon I can't believe you went in debt for hundreds of thousands of $ to fix your house you fucking imbecile''

>>726744059

>inherits depression created by previous sitting president and his policies
>b-b-but SPENDING!!!!!

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>>726744181
for example, if you are trans you have to pay for the drugs and operations
most other things are taken care of by either provincial or federal healthcare

>>726744059
Bush was absolutely to blame for the high deficit Obama inherited.

You Republicans are total hypocrites.

>>726744690

Which policy created the "depression"?

>>726731275
I was born in Canada and I've lived here for over 40 years. I've lived and worked in 7 of 10 provinces and I've met a lot of people. I have never met a single Canadian who has travelled to the US for medical reasons.

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Get out of here commies. Flooding /b/ will not help you. Capitalism will trample your totalitarian agenda! Go back! Back I say, into Micheal Moors' fat creases.

>>726744065
>standing up for liberty is so funny
>lel
>lel lel lel

useful idiot

>>726744284
So admit you have no argument? Because you redefined 0% to 12%, said companies aren't allowed to declare bankruptcy (a basic tenet of English common law going back centuries), and declared two people support an amorphous economic policy (that you incorrectly described) and that makes them fascists.

I generally think the rich should pay more, but you know nothing about how business actually works.

>>726744372
>>726739905
>Literally no mention of the difference between a single payer healthcare system and a government ran healthcare system
Do you faggots even read your own sources?

>>726744780

I'm not sure you know what a deficit is.

>>726741006
Because we weren't bottle-feeding niggers and spics or letting Boomers horde all the money.

>>726730404
Cause (like their democrats counterparts) don't give a shit about the American people.

>>726744911
I've stated the same argument three times. Your replies simply tells me you feel compelled to make apologies for failed businessmen like Trump and Romney.

>>726744924
>muh goalposts

kek

>>726744925
I'm sure you know what hypocrisy is. But keep pretending otherwise.

>>726744521
>did no such thing, only provided more funding to the coal industry
>literally just pulled the bill today to NOT do that
>did the same thing every president has done since reagan
>complete horseshit

Try again.

>>726744941
Do you think you'll flunk 8th grade again, anon?

>>726744811

Yep, no answer.

and this is only the tip of the iceberg.
NEXT my fellow americans is the impeachment of Putin´s Puppet !

>>726745105
He weakened the EPA you fucking Trump cock gobbler.

>>726742356
These days, people are paid to complain, here.

>>726744659
>Blaming bush for the housing bubble when it was caused by institutions like fannie may and freddie mac

>>726745105

>yes, he did
>he did too
>so?
>nope, you're wrong here too

well that was easy. thanks for the easy victory sperg

>>726744373
I make $82,000/year plus benefits for doing a job that pretty much anyone could do. I'm one of those liberal coastal types that people always complain about.

When I see blue collar workers from the Midwest, Deep South, and Appalachia arguing that their own healthcare should be cut so I can pay a little less tax I just laugh. Sure I would prefer if we funded science and education and got wasteful military spending under control, but the Republican agenda will kill off a lot of their own base and my bank account will get bigger in the process so I'm not going to put that much effort into fighting it.

>>726745213
Nobody says Bush caused it you fuckwad.

But he did let it happen right under his nose like 911. Most incompetent administration evar---until Trump.

>>726744780
So that means that the increased deficit is completely on Obama, then. Gotcha.

>>726743004
kek

>>726743212
Here's an anon that gets it.

>>726744847
I don't think you know what that term means, anon.

>>726745320
No, faggot. Learn to read other anons posts, especially the part about how Obama spent money cleaning up Bush's mistakes.

If those mistakes had not happened, we'd be looking at a 10 trillion dollar debt--and you faggots would still be whining about it.

Go back to sucking Trump's cheeto cock.

>>726745430
>still talking shit on anons defending the 4th Amendment

go back to Germany nazi

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>>726738214
Read here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/03/23/congress-is-poised-to-undo-landmark-rules-covering-your-internet-privacy/
Plus here:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/23/521253258/u-s-senate-votes-to-repeal-obama-era-internet-privacy-rules

And for you "fake news" folks, you can read here:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/03/23/isps-can-now-sell-your-browsing-history-without-permission-thanks-to-these-senators.html
And here:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/senate-votes-to-kill-privacy-rules-guarding-your-online-info/

Then everybody should read here:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/five-creepy-things-your-isp-could-do-if-congress-repeals-fccs-privacy-protections

>>726745028
>Trump
>Failed businessman
>Worth over 3 billion dollars
Kay then.

>>726743212
>>726745392

Name the last thing the Democrats "destroyed."

Go.

>>726745213
>Deregulation good
>Universal health care bad
>B-b-but nukes in Iraq! Let's line Halliburton's pockets and throw away trillions a year into an endless war!
>Mission Accomplished.jpg

>>726745445

Yep, just as I thought. It doesn't know the difference between debt and deficit.

>>726744811
>>726745158

tax cuts
wars in iraq and afghanistan

>>726745499
Why do I have to read that? I know what's going on. I'm the anon who said there are going to be major challenges to this law in court.

>>726745054
>Original argument is that the public did not want single payer healthcare and that it was not popular
>Give a link that broadly describes the dichotomy along party lines of people not wanting to be forced to pay for healthcare
>LELEL GOALPOSTS
Get fucked faggot. You have no argument. And I'm not even the anon that started that argument either.

>>726745519

inb4 some dumbass says his dad gave him a few million start up money, implying that all you need to do is just throw money at something and it automatically makes you billions.

>>726745519
There is literally no reason why a rich man like Trump should have to declare bankruptcy. Ever. Let alone 5 times.
>worth over 3 billion dollars
how would you know? He keeps hiding his tax returns.

>>726745573
Bernie Sanders

>>726744503
See, that's the problem. Selfish pricks like you, who claim you're getting "fucked in the ass" when anybody every tries to but anything.

>>726745625
Shut the fuck up if you're not going to discuss the topic.

>>726745208
>Taking away funding now allows massive illegal dumping
You do realize you can research on just what his defunding cut, right? It's not just "the EPA"

>>726743431

If free market healthcare lets people die, it will literally let its customer base die, and fail.

Lighthouses: (Really?) Seems to me shipping companies wouldn't want to lose billions in cargo, and would foot the bill. (See: Meals on Wheels non-issue).

Education: When your property taxes are no longer funding the worthless public education system, you can spend your money on private schooling, like I do for my children.

>>726739304
>democratic socialism IS THE WAY TO GO
Before you work toward the socialism, you'll first have to work toward democracy. The U.S.A. hasn't functioned democratically for decades.

>>726745661
Fuck you faggot. You said there was no support for it.

You got your ass handed to you .

>>726745213

clinton-era banking deregulations was a large factor.

too bad bush decided to roll with it and continue on with deregulation instead of stepping up like a man.

that...and launch two unnecessary wars

>>726745278
Lets get some citation brah.

>>726745653

lol had nothing to do with that. I'll give you a hint. Has to do with housing.

>>726745752
They didn't. Sanders lost of his own accord and now the Dems have made him part of the Senate leadership team.

Stop talking shit.

>>726745654
You said "IF" you found. out.
It's not "IF" anymore.

>>726745756
speak english autist

>>726730404
>only right wing politicians suck ass
did you learn politics from the back of a cereal box? read a fucking book

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>>726744837
I second that! It's a myth created by America so Americans will believe universal healthcare is bogus....

>>726745786
You do realize you're making apologies for Trump's gutting of the EPA?

>>726744811
The bill starting in 1992 (Clinton's tenure) designed to greatly expand home ownership to those less able to afford it. That was the cause of the housing bubble, and all the mortgages failing.

>>726739978
>executive branch: in our control
>legislative branch: in our control
>SCOTUS: going to fill like 3 seats
I was worried about that until I saw that the GOP is so incompetent they can't manage to pass their own shit through the house. You can "control" the government and it doesn't mean shit if you can't control yourselves.

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>>726745778
>Shut the fuck up if you're not going to discuss the topic.

It's more fun to point out the people who obviously don't know what the fuck they are even talking about and are just cheering for their team.

>>726745309
Please see
>>726744659

There probably was a day that no matter who you voted for you'd have knocked the fuck out of any dickhead that dissed the president.

Looks like now if you don't call him names and make funny pictures of him you're either not cool or a racist

Would Hillary have been better? I doubt she would have done a single damned thing by now.

>>726745910
If I found out what?

That you're a faggot. We knew that already.

WE /RUSSIANSCARE3.0/ NOW

>>726745891

here you go. fox news for your right wing mind.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/16/trump-overturns-bill-on-coal-mining-debris.html

>>726745484
>Nazi
B8

>>726746024
Except it makes you look like you're licking 1% ass, so it's really more fun for me, apologist.

>>726744477
>http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34859860

You'll say differently once the sand niggers gobble up all that free healthcare, lol.

>>726738116
ISPs have donated millions to their campaigns. Dems would have done the same.

Just goes to show we have the best government money can buy.

>>726746025
I agree with you, but Bush didn't cause the housing bubble, the private sector did. Bush didn't see what was going on until the end when it was too late.

And he handed a fuckton of problems over to Obama and it cost trillions of dollars to fix them. Some of those things never did get fixed, either.

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>>726740016
>Bullshit, the post

>>726740016
Kek I am single make 24k a year and pay 20$ a month with a 0$ deductible through the ACA. Your a fucking idiot. Also if your company's insurance is the same price monthly as the ACA equivalent and has a higher deductible you need a new job you fucking loser.

>>726746101
What is it about you fuckwads supporting a company's "right" to sell your personal information?

>>726745903

you're right
unnecessary spending, while bringing in less money, on top of a housing bubble collapse has absolutely NOTHING to do with a recession.

keep licking windows buddy

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>>726745519
>>726745714
>Trump took millions of dollars and grew them into billions
>It's not like he inherited billions or was handed the multibillion dollar Trump Organization that his father & grandmother started

>>726745750
>You should continue to throw money into a failing business, because you can, instead of liquidating and selling off assets
Someone failed economics class.
>How can you tell
You can google it fam.

>>726746127
Bullshit. Name even one Democrat who sponsored this type of legislation ever, or who voted for the current bill.

You're a retard. Stop posting.

>>726744780

Dubya should have let the post-9/11 and post-tech bubble recession come and go. But, Black Jesus doubled the national debt in his 8 years transferring wealth all over the planet in the name of globalism.

>>726745909
There is literal factual evidence that they cheated during debates, and colluded with super pacs to make clinton win the nomination. Have you been hiding under a rock?

>>726746327
You're a fucking apologist for unscrupulous business practices, anon. You should rape yourself.

>>726746436
faggot

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>>726746266
>Kek I am single
>make 24k a year
>Your a fucking idiot.
>Your
>you need a new job you fucking loser.
>you fucking loser

>>726745661
I am the anon that started the argument, and you're correct. People generally want everyone to have healthcare, in the abstract. But that doesn't mean they want government to run it (or pay for it... the average extra taxes they were willing to pay even in that poll is $500), and it's certainly not support for a single-player system, which poll terribly. Whereas things like wider coverage for needy kids tends to poll very well. Pretending these are all the same is the basic problem with most of these debates.

>>726746006
I honestly don't give a shit about the defunding of the EPA.

>>726746464
no there isn't, you lying fucking piece of shit.

Shut the fuck up.