You have 10 seconds to prove your god exists. >protip:

Easter bunny
I win

If dubs, kek is real

Because I will it so, and thanks to occams razor and quantum mechanics taking me that much closer to truth by the first step being complete, you got lawyered

>>726604127
if no dubs, no god

My holy dubs, directly crelated by god will prove it.

>>726604430
no god confirmed

Trips say there is no god

>>726604127
rolling for holy dubs, please dont betray me now

>>726604127
if dubs, god is a gay nigger

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>>726604127
he exists to me you humongus faggot..so if he exists for me then i dont give a flying rats ass what you say,,you dildo wielding fairy

>>726604127
Protip you cant prove he doesnt

>>726604701
>he exists to me
Blatant lies.
>dildo wielding fairy
I've got just the right size for you too.

>>726604701
imaginary friends are not dieties. give me dubs and prove me wrong.

>>726604825
See >>726604430
>>726604468
>>726604594

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OP

You have 10 seconds to prove god doesn't exist.

>>726604964
See
>my asshole

>>726604127
if dubs, god hates me

>>726604927
>>726604851

>>726604739
>>726604775
>>726604799
If God existed, there would be no fags
OP is fag
Therefore, God does not exist.

m

>>726605097
if dubs, your asshole is god's mouthpiece

>>726605292
Get rekt fggt

>>726605337
bless your heart

>>726604127
You have 10 seconds to prove that I'm wrong for my religious beliefs (Christianity)

>protip: you can't

By the way, burden of proof ONLY falls on whoever is trying to prove something. If I wanted to convince an atheist to become a Christian, proof is on me. If an atheist wants to convince me to reject Christianity, proof is on them.

Cambrian explosion, sexual reproduction, and the complexity of earth organisms

>>726604127
There isnt supposed to be proof thats kind of the point

>>726605540
Perhaps the deity is not a creator, but one who nurtures life.

if dubs, god will murder me in cold blood for his own amusement

>>726604127
Hey OP, hows 8th grade going?

>>726605473
There is no good reason to believe Christianity is true.

>>726605583
So it's made up nonsense. Got it.

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The Gibby explains is all

>>726605819
supposed to have blind faith because a really old book said so

>>726604127
my mother

if dubs, god turns me into an instanigger

>>726605819
You can find god without religion

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You are so edgy, OP! I bow to my master!

>>726605957
Your mother is God? So when I fuck your mom, I'm fucking God?

>>726604127
t; my god is your god too

>>726606081
Doesn't stop it from being made up nonsense.

>>726606147
You have 10 seconds to prove it.

>>726606133
not if you fuck me first faggot

>>726604127
My god is existence itself
That anything exists means He exists
If you reply, you must exist, meaning you exist because He will you to exist
Thus you are evidence that He exists

>>726606210
Nice edge you sharpen it yourself?

if dubs then I am god

>>726606312
So if I fuck you first then your mom is no longer God when I fuck her?

>>726606319
that is not how evidence works

>>726606299
I have over infinity seconds to prove whatever I want. Also, our gods are the same, just FYI.

>>726606319
Existence has a will? Why use a male pronoun for existence? Why call existence a god at all instead of just existence?

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I am my own god. I exist. Therefor, God exists.


Checkmate, OP. You massive faggot.

>>726606331
Yep. Cuts through made up nonsense like a hot knife through butter.

if dubs, then 4chan is god

>>726606455
look dude, you're trying to be edgy by implying something against god, like "fucking" god, but the thing is he created fucking so what are you trying to do bruh lol

>>726606629
Your mom is a he now? If someone invents a sport, does that mean no one can beat them at it?

existence is based on perception.
I perceive god.
therefore, god exists.
also harry potter.

>>726606503
You'll be dead in less than infinity seconds.

Checkmate.

>>726606596
give me dubs already, or you're a false god like Talos

>>726605764
For me there is. Everyone has different opinions on what constitutes good reasons. Religious preference is a result of either upbringing or how the culture/morality surrounding the religion fits in well with your own. What atheists don't realize is that it's not all about logic especially since there's no proof against gods. Sure maybe a lot of written things are fictional but from that you can't imply the god itself is fictional, and if the culture/morals the religion creates are good and law abiding, who cares?

>>726606841
there is proof against god.
read epicurus

>>726606841
>Everyone has different opinions on what constitutes good reasons
Sure, and some people's opinions on what constitutes good reason can be shown to lead to contradictory and absurd results.
>What atheists don't realize is that it's not all about logic
Sure, it's about evidence too.
>who cares?
So you don't care about what actually exists?

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>>726606841

if dubs, then god endowed me with his magic raping cock

>>726607042
I do care about what actually exists, but no one else can tell me anything better. And no thanks to being some nihilistic unhappy fat neckbeard fedora wearing atheist.

>>726606998
Epicurus is sort of countered even in the Old Testament, where God is basically shown to tests human. You can call his disregard and treating of people like guinea pigs as evil if you want, and maybe he can be evil sometimes, but that says absolutely nothing about him existing/not existing. My opinion is more like God is the pinnacle of evolution and complete control over time and space gained over the lifetime of the universe.

>>726606737
>If someone invents a sport, does that mean no one can beat them at it?
It means you can't insult him by saying he plays it, since he invented it, he would hardly be insulted.

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>>726604127
He's real, because I call upon these dubs to prove so.

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I do exist as God of all creation! I have proof, check out my repeating digits!

>Looks down at the Earth
>Looks up again
I just did it in zero seconds.

>>726607461
>no one else can tell me anything better.
Are you familiar with the argument from ignorance? No one being able to tell you anything 'better' doesn't justify believing in things without good reason.
>nihilistic unhappy fat neckbeard fedora wearing atheist
>implying

If i get dubs, god is real.

>>726607802
You proved the earth exists. Congrats.

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>>726607750
You are an disgrace to Kek and his people, gtfo

>>726607167
retarded caveman logic. just a bunch of vague fucking questions.
https://carm.org/epicurus-god-willing-to-prevent-evil

>>726607167
Why not call him God because if you don't he will fuck your shit up? What if God is an evil all powerful tyrant and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it?

>>726607994
>2017
>linking carm.org

>>726607842
gg

>>726608074
>2017
>posting a picture from LOLhome.com

>>726604127
god exists.
humans try to build stairway to heaven.
god creates a vaccume.
sucks humans away.
humans cant communicate with god anymore.
humans cant go to heaven anymore.
life is a cruel circle of reincarnation
doomed us forever to live on this hellist world.
He exists, he's just ignoring us and ensuring
nothing but bad things happen because we should all apparently be punished for what others did millions of years ago.

>>726606455
if you imply god is something then you take away that gos eixists because if god created everything then god itself would have had to create himself
thefore god is what ever you want god to be

>>726608039

Didn't God lose a bet to a Snake?

Sounds *real* powerful to me!

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the influence of meme magic in 2016 is undeniable

>>726607832
I'm not an active practitioner of Christianity though. I'm more like a heavily agnostic Christian. So it's not really argument from ignorance in that I'm actively going to church and devoting my life to God, I just have a preference towards the idea that a god does exist, and I choose that preference to lean towards the Christian God. Since I'm pretty much agnostic though, I consider agnosticism the ONLY logically correct stance, and see nothing against my current view.

>>726608308
shut the fuck up dumbass.

>>726607907
The challenge was to prove MY god exists, not a specific other god. I accomplished that instantaneously to every single person reading this (gravity? what planet you on bro?)

>>726608271
proooooove it.

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>>726608308

Pictured: Source of meme magic.

>>726604127
Trips can prove anything

I fucking hate memes why do I get on here again?

>>726608311
You might have a preference that a god exist, but that doesn't mean that you believe that a god exists. There are atheists who want there to be a god.

Atheism and agnosticism are compatible.

>>726608503
what else is there?

Only guys with little dicks and have self loathing issues don't believe in God, then and fat lesbians.

You can't believe God would make anything so fucking gross

>>726608576
Yeah and that's agnostic atheism whereas I'm agnostic Christian. An agnostic atheist believes there aren't any gods but is open minded to other possibilities and isn't too sure. An agnostic Christian believes in the Christian God but is open to other possibilities. There is no reason at all to change which agnostic stance you are and it's stupid to say I should become agnostic atheist.

>>726606494
You just became proof

>>726605089
not only a negation cant be proven, but also try harder to shift that burden of proof.

>>726608789
>There is no reason at all to change which agnostic stance you are
Except that one makes an unjustified claim and the other doesn't.

>>726605473
how bout u convince us your shit isnt wack instead?

>>726606534
>Why use a male pronoun for existence?
Wow, man. You're so progressive.
>Why call existence a god at all instead of just existence?
Because God is existence. "I am who am."

>>726608731
is this english

>>726608789
>An agnostic atheist believes there aren't any gods
Not necessarily. They just don't believe there are any gods. Not the same.

i think we are dangerosly close to becoming jayden smith with our we are gods bollocks

>>726608930
Agnostics make no claims at all. And atheism is a claim too. So many atheists are always claiming everyone's god isn't real without any proof. They're even worse.

>>726606319
existance is existance. God is god. Existance isnt god.
Trying to redefine words to prove your shit - denied, sit down.

You have 10 seconds to prove that my god does not exist

>>726608982
You could have no basis to call anyone's shit wack unless there is some measure of wack external to shit by which you make that claim.
That measure is God.
Check and mate.

>>726608991
Wait, so existence talks now?

the is not proof either way
its a losing battle faggots

>>726609113
existence has always spoken. how new are you?

>>726607461
>Epicurus is sort of countered even in the Old Testament
old testament is sort of countered by reality

>>726609063
>atheism is a claim too
Not at it's broadest, no. You just don't believe that a god exists.

>>726608420
KYS, you'll come back as a fetus being shoved out of a twat because you've been spiritually denied of heaven. Or do drugs, you'll get static and your mind will just make shit up because you cant connect to god, we are shunned, gods an asshole and we're living on hell, if god existed he wouldnt let government and corporation rape the lives of everyone, do you even watch gore videos? have you no idea what chaotics piece of shit we're floating on in the middle of no where sounded by nothing and everything that can kill us, we're fucked, we will die a million deaths over and over infinitely, we will always feel pain and be thrown into shit situations, you're a slave, and always will be a pathetic mass of stacked shit made to serve as a slave to your hell regime that will consistently destroy rape and pillage everything in its wake. you cant escape it, no one can. you want proof? leave your computer for once the evidence is all around you fuck wad.

>>726609081
>Lrn to Aquinas, fag.

We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, that come into being and go out of being i.e., contingent beings.

Assume that every being is a contingent being.

For each contingent being, there is a time it does not exist.

Therefore it is impossible for these always to exist.

Therefore there could have been a time when no things existed.

Therefore at that time there would have been nothing to bring the currently existing contingent beings into existence.

Therefore, nothing would be in existence now.

We have reached an absurd result from assuming that every being is a contingent being.

Therefore not every being is a contingent being.

Therefore some being exists of its own necessity, and does not receive its existence from another being, but rather causes them. This all men speak of as God.

if dubs, god is a tranny

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>>726609214
old testament is Jew-doctored tyrannical horse puckey

>>726609238
And an agnostic theist is the exact same thing too, they just believe a god exists. The gnostic people on both sides make the claims. The agnostics are doubters but follow something with no claims.

>>726609238
That's a claim, idiot.

>>726609174
Very new apparently. I'm only aware of relatively recent living organisms having the ability to speak.

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>>726604127
Praise Kek!

IMA God, I'll be answering all your questions

>>726609104
im a man and im the measure of all things. Especially, since gods r not real.
So its wack.
U r playing checkers

>>726609350
Turns out only you and the devil suck feminine penis.

>>726609376
>they just believe a god exists
Which is unjustified.
>>726609384
In what way, shape, or form is not believing something a claim? The closest you could say to it being a claim is that people putting forward the idea that a god exists haven't backed it up.

>>726609457
where the fuck are my dubs?

>>726609466
>I'M THE GREATEST
>MOTHERFUKER TO EVER LIVE
>I AM WHY EVERYTHING EXISTS
>IT WAS ALLLLLLLLLL MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Let's all take philosophical advice from someone that sounds like they're absolutely destroyed on cocaine........................

>>726609466
But I am also a man, and I measure you retarded.
In your subjectivism, you can only agree that measured by my standard, you're a mongoloid.
For you not to be a mongoloid retard objectively, there would have to be some measure beyond you and me to say so.
That measure is God.
Deny God, and you deny the one thing that can say you're not a tard.

>>726609549
>is not believing something a claim?
When you claim to know, for certain, that XXXXXXXXXX is state YYYYYYYYYY, you've just made a claim.

The only claim you can personally make (with any credibility), is that *you don't know*, not that it doesn't exist, whether you know or not.

>>726609323
So God is the cosmos and the cosmos is a being?
Hint: Aquinas was torn to shreds long ago.

>>726609323
l2logic, nigggot
rule of identity
aquinas is wrong and u r trying an argument from authority.
there isnt anything, that doesnt exists. Also this is based on experience of the world, that already happened. How much experience do u have with universes coming to be?
and immediately digging your own grave. What made god?
Some thing exists out of its own necessity? So how come its not the universe?

>>726609351
i see u agree with me

>>726609832
>When you claim to know, for certain, that XXXXXXXXXX is state YYYYYYYYYY, you've just made a claim.
Which atheists don't need to do.
>not that it doesn't exist
Atheists need not claim that gods do not exist. They just don't believe that gods exist.
Not believing X != believing not X

>>726609638
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protagoras
cocaine, huh?

>>726609549
What you don't realize is that NOTHING is justified. believing no god(s) exist is just as justified as believing one exists.

been reading cs lewis stuff lately and he makes some good points.
read a book by francis collins, the lead guy of the human genome project, called the Language of God that has some pretty believable ways to reconcile faith with science

>>726610119
Hence why many atheists don't believe no gods exist. You can not believe that gods exist and not believe that no gods exist while acknowledging that one of those two must be the case.

>>726609869
Hardly. For to identify God with the cosmos is to utterly miss the boat. The supernatural transcends nature, it isn't synonymous with it. That is pantheism.
Aquinas is smarter than you, grasshopper. And he is still studied by all philosophy programs. The people who "tore him to shreds"? Dustbinned.

>>726609549
My opinion of atheism is a matter of probability. It might be like logically you can say 60% chance of no gods, x% this, y% that, etc. So because we're the "most" correct you MUST follow atheism or else you're wrong. That's bullshit.

>>726609828
fortunately your standards r shit and reality doesnt bent to your "beliefs". Objectively reality exists and gods dont, so your argument is shit.
Reality says im better than u and it also says u r a filthy abo.

you can clearly see that my dubs prove everything

>>726609917
What is the sound of one tard clapping?

>>726609832
how is "know" the same as "belief" and then what makes u be able to say u do know god exists?

>>726610399
praise kek

>>726610310
>The supernatural transcends nature, it isn't synonymous with it.
this. can't prove God with science because it is wholly outside of natural laws

>>726610457
hell yeah m8

>>726610420
ask your mom to record u and ull know

>>726610295
Someone who is truly agnostic (the only logical side) can not make a negative claim against ANY religion at least for whether its god exists or not. You can make claims about physical beliefs which can be observed in the world, but nothing theological.

Atheists love to make negative theological claims against religions and thus they are wrong.

PRAISE KEK

>>726610310
What does it mean for something to be supernatural and how do you know that the supernatural exists?
>Aquinas is smarter than you
That doesn't make him correct. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits.
>Dustbinned.
Nope.

>>726610345
What's brilliant is that you caved and accepted objective truth claims as a way to defend your fragile tard ego.
So you have accepted a measure beyond the two of us.
That is God.
Welcome to the faith, friend!

>>726610477
That is an intellectual hurdle most atheist gimps can't begin to clear.

whats written here are words of fiction only a fool would believe any of this

>>726610568
You are an atheist if you are not a theist (A and not A). Atheists love to make negative claims against arguments put forward by theists. This is not equivalent to claiming that no gods exist.

>>726610616
its not god. Your sophistry cant define this nonsense into existance. Im a measure of all things and it corelates to reality.
God 404
welcome to no faith, little idiot

>>726610477
Can't prove God with anything apparently.
>>726610712
Because it's asinine. Supernatural is a bucket that people use for things they don't understand and then claim exist.

>>726610477
yeah, like gravity

>>726604127
>no frost giants

I support Sheffield United, so my God is Tony Currie.

I win.

dubs proves that jews make magic and stuff

>>726610602
>how do you know that the supernatural exists?
Because if all is nature, nothing at all can be known. Reason has to be grounded outside of nature, or else it becomes exactly the same as the atheists critique about the Bible - I know nature is all there is because nature tells me nature is all there is.

>>726604127
I am my own god. This comment proves I exist.

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>>726604127

What is God spelt backwards?
Dog
What's a Dog's favourite type of shop?
Butchers
What's a Dog's favourite food in the Butchers?
Sausage
Now say Sausage backwards!
Egasuas
Sounds like Jesus doesn't it

Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!

>>726610023
The ONLY aspect of that which makes that hold is the agnosticism, not the atheism. It's a two dimensional plane between atheism-theism X axis and agnosticism-gnosticism Y axis. Atheism is Not God, Theism is God. Agnosticism is basically your probability slider and belief level slider. A 100% gnostic atheist is literally Not God. An agnostic atheist might be like 51% Not God 49% maybe God

>>726610879
Your egoism just proved that you're a retard, though. Because I am also a measure, and I measure you a retard, and you are arguing that man is the measure of all things.
Your 47 chromosomes must be rattled now.

>>726604127
The fact that there is an is

>>726610887
>Supernatural is a bucket that people use for things they don't understand and then claim exist.
No. It's simply that which is outside nature.
Because you can't use natural science to prove it exists is so spectacularly irrelevant, it's laughable.

science can explain a lot of things but can't and won't be able to explain how things existed at the first place
some believe things just existed that way
some believe there is a supernatural power created things
you can't prove or disprove both.

>>726611174
no, cuz u r a reatrd. It says right here "he's a retard and his shit's all retarded". See?

>>726610996
not to mention the standards we hold morals to
>inb4 moral are complex evolutionary ways to preserve the individual
atheism feels like a copout to me. Like, it feels comfortable to say that none of this matters and it's all an accident, but a part of me longs for something bigger. I am hungry, so I know food exists. I need to get laid, thankfully sex exists. I feel the need to know something infinitely bigger than myself, maybe god exists

>>726610996
>Because if all is nature, nothing at all can be known
And how do you "know" that anything can be "known"?
>Reason has to be grounded outside of nature, or else it becomes exactly the same as the atheists critique about the Bible
Or you can accept that we just don't have an explanation for things like the logical absolutes or a solution to hard solipsism. They are things that we use because they seem to demonstrate their usefulness.

By the way, I'm not going to go further down the presupp rabbit hole with you. It's such a non-argument that it isn't even worth discussing.

a hearty kek to all of this bollocks
if this thread 404's god is a piece of garabe floating in the wind

>>726611103
Actually it sounds more like a McDonald's
menu

>>726610399
dubs confirmed proven

>>726611492
garbage*

>>726611334
science is the best way to find out. And weve already found out quite a bit. And nowhere in there was any god. And if u think what we didnt find out is where god is, its "god of the gaps". Tomorrow we gonna discover sth new and its not gonna have god there. And u gonna have to push him further into the gaps

>>726611276
>it's simply that which is outside nature
What does that even mean? What is "outside" nature?
>Because you can't use natural science to prove it exists is so spectacularly irrelevant, it's laughable.
You can't use any other method which can be shown to be reliable either.

>>726604127
Chocolate milk

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Why do you assume I would want to share such a blessing with some moronic child, and presumed racist sack of crap, on 4Chan?

>protip: I don't

Worship Kek

>>726611131
God either exists or does not exist.
Theists believe God exists.
Atheists don't.
An atheist can go further and believe that God does not exist, but this is a subset.

182 posts 45 posters
there is no god

>>726611371
And You're a faggot so that's why cock exists.

Dumb as fuck way to think.

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>>726604127
OP is a trap.

>>726611869
Not believing god exists is EXACTLY the same as believing god doesn't exist. If it's not I'd love you to logically explain how it's not.

To give an example, I'm taking a true/false test. A Christian tells me the answer is true. I don't believe the answer is true. So what is my answer then? Agnosticism is abstaining to answer. Atheism is choosing false. Theism is choosing true.

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>>726604127

>>726610023
>Atheists need not claim that gods do not exist
Of course they do. Are you stupid? Atheism is a belief system that is used to justify a final stance of ignorance. You can't create a made-up belief system which functionally serves only to reinforce a specific ignorance, that's not how it works. You can't use the aforementioned belief system to prove (or even try to convince to anyone else) that their belief system is wrong, since your belief system is based on *even less evidence*- it is in fact a total void of evidence.

A little kid can't tell you Pi (or other known irrational numbers) don't exist or mean nothing, simply because they're stupid little kids, no matter how confident they are of it. If you claim that atheism is simply a lack of knowledge and a staunch refusal to resolve that lack of knowledge, then you absolutely can't project it into any discussion, because the very second you do, you're making claims or suggesting claims to a specific outcome which you have zero evidence for.


If you want to argue non-complicity, that's fine but atheism is not non-complicity, atheism is simply the antithesis to the existence of god (meaning atheism implies god does not exist, not that you're just being non-complicit with anyone else).

you cant prove it either way so maybe you are not ment to prove it
its either is or is not
but you cant say which because we are all so fucking retarded

>>726611371
Morality is a word that is subjectively defined, which, depending on the definition, can then be used to build an objective framework relative to that definition.
>atheism feels like a copout to me
Theism is the ultimate copout. It's a response the discomfort of not knowing, making up this one size fits all answer.

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>>726604127
Check my repeating digits and weep for forgivenes

>>726612383
actually i cant say my mother is
so i guess im right back to thinking my mother is god

>>726604127
Easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn97QHEeRBg

>>726611869
>An atheist can go further and believe that God does not exist,
He's not an atheist until he postulates that God does not exist,
>but this is a subset.
It's not a subset, it's the definition of atheism. If you can't accept that, then you need to review the rules of the English language and focus on the positive and negative prefixes.

>>726612290
>If it's not I'd love you to logically explain how it's not.
I secretly roll a die. Do you believe it's odd? If you don't, does that mean you believe it's even?
>I don't believe the answer is true.
Ta-da.
>Agnosticism is abstaining to answer. Atheism is choosing false. Theism is choosing true.
No. Theism is choosing true. Atheism is not choosing true.

>>726604127
>argumentum ad ignorantium

also check em op you big faggot

Prove he can't in 10 seconds

>>726604127
the holocaust happend

>>726606319
you just killed some of my neurons

>>726612290
the test isnt "true or false", the test is "whats real, how do we determine it and whats the right stance to assume, when facing new information"

>>726612655
What you're saying defines agnosticism as a complete subset of atheism meaning it's impossible to be an agnostic theist. That's wrong. What would be someone who is like 75% sure the answer is true but has some doubts and doesn't answer in time?

>>726612375
atheismt isnt belief, let alone system. Its a response to 1 particular CLAIM: gods real.

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well donald trump is the god of kek, pretty sure he exsist mate

>>726612820
But the question of whether god exists or not ULTIMATELY comes down to a true/false answer. Sure there's A LOT which leads to it, but the ultimate reality is either god exists or he doesn't which is equivalent to true/false.

>>726612601
>He's not an atheist until he postulates that God does not exist
False.
> it's the definition of atheism
Not according to most who self-identify as atheist.
>review the rules of the English language and focus on the positive and negative prefixes.
I recommend you do the same.

>>726612739
reroll becuase my nigga "god" made a mistake

>>726604127
I am a pantheist and my god is the world.
The world exists.
/thread

>>726605540
Evolution you fucking retard

>>726612908
As a pantheist I find your atheism completely irrelevant.

>>726604127
i had sex once

>>726612970
>Not according to most who self-identify as atheist.
Just because special snowflakes want to pretend a word means something that it doesn't does not in fact change the definition of that word.

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You ever eat spaghetti? Checkmate atheist.

>>726612875
No. You can believe something without knowing it. Agnosticism is along a different axis than the theism / atheism dichotomy.

>>726613077
coldblooded

>>726613145
Do you believe that words have inherent meaning or do people give words meaning by their usage?

>>726613164
Well it CAN'T be if you define atheism as not answering. Whether you answer or not is the gnosticism/agnosticism axis. The answer of false is linked to atheism and the answer of true is linked to theism. An agnostic won't answer regardless of which answer he thinks is more right. A gnostic theist will answer true and a gnostic atheist will answer false.

>>726612947
And how do u get to learn the answer? And what do u do, when some1 tells u sth?
And "whether god exists or not" isnt a yes or no question. Its not a question at all. Thats the point

>>726613093
as an atheist, i find your beliefs to be based on horse shit

>>726612655
>Theism is choosing true. Atheism is not choosing true.
No Theism is choosing true. Atheism is choosing the opposite of theism.

>>726612908
>atheismt isnt belief,
It abosolutely fucking is. You don't get to choose a copout where your beliefs can't be logically challenged.

Aerobic bateria are required to breath. Anaerobic bacteria don't breathe. Anaerobic bacteria don't just refuse to believe in breathing, they don't. That's why they get their own antithetic classification of breathing/non-breathing organisms.

Sexual organisms do sexual intercourse.
Asexual organisms don't simply "not believe" in sex, they ARE NO SEX.
Not knowing is just called "not knowing"...Agnostic AT BEST. But A-THEISM is the SPECIFIC, DEFINITIVE rejection of the existence of God. Atheists do not believe in god, they're not on the fence about it, they DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE EXISTENCE of God.
How dense are you? You don't get to claim antithesis and say "but I never claimed it's non-existence" or else you wouldn't be an A-theist.

So you're either not an atheist or you don't believe God eixsts, period.

You can't just make it up as you go along; as you find holes, it just doesn't work that way. So figure it out, and then yap.

>>726613419
Once irrefutable proof exists one way or the other, humanity will have the answer to the true/false question. Before then all people can do is either guess or not answer the true/false question.

>>726613334
>Well it CAN'T be if you define atheism as not answering.
Atheism is not defined as not answering. Atheism is not answering true. That would include not answering as well as answering false.
>Whether you answer or not is the gnosticism/agnosticism axis.
No, it isn't. You could answer true without saying you know the answer is true (e.g. a guess).
>The answer of false is linked to atheism and the answer of true is linked to theism.
Repeating it won't make it correct. The answer is true is linked to theism. Not answering true is atheism. A or not A.

>>726613244
DO you believe that someone has no argument when they start reverting to massively abstract concepts like "But what is human language, really?"

>>726613522
absolutely fuckin isnt. Not believing your nonsense isnt a belief.
Atheism isnt anaerobic bacteria. All your examples r shit, cuz u trying to equate naming convention to an abstract brain functions

>>726613693
> Atheism is not answering tru
LOL So, uhh, I don't believe the official 911 story. Guess I'm an atheist amirite???

I also don't believe fluoride is good for teeth and that vaccines are not effective in disease prevention... hey everyone I'm an atheist. >>726613878

>>726604127
I exist so....my god exists. I am god. The true one.

I desire more traps.

>>726613611
nope. Science showed us nothing we discovered requires god. Its not a guess and all the discoveries werent guesses either.
And until "irrefutable proof" is shown, the answer is "false"

>>726613693
If atheism is defined as NOT answering true, then that means atheism IS either answering false OR not answering the question. IF that's the case, then you MUST conclude that agnosticism is a COMPLETE subset of atheism because someone who believes in god but isn't fully gnostic enough to answer true MUST be an atheist by your definition of atheist. But that's clearly not the case because a theist with doubts is still a theist, yet he didn't answer so he must be an atheist?

So you're proven wrong by reductio ad absurdum logic.

>>726613522
Atheism is not choosing true.
>Atheists do not believe in god
Correct. Not believing in god is not equivalent to believing there is no god. Not believing something is, by definition, not a belief. A is not not A.

>>726613954
>doesn't understand the conversation.
Woo boy.

>>726613878
>your nonsense
It's not mine, firstly. Second, what nonsense? What do you believe in nonsense, my good pal? What makes it nonsense? What is IT, even?
What are the various nonsenses that you are REFUTING? I don't understand, how can you be sure it's nonsense if you don't know anything about it? Surely, it's nonsense, therefore.... is it not true? Or are you saying it's true or potentially true, but nonsense? You're fucked, my good man.

Your beliefs are hilarious, bro. Oh but but they're not beliefs at all, right idiot? Put the shovel down, you're deep enough.

we need to get rid of the little spoilet kids and teenager

>>726604701
Existence is not subjective.
Existence demands manifestation.
No god has ever been demonstrated to objectively manifest, and untill one does, it would be absurd to accept the notion of any god being anything but ephemeral.
It would be like me claiming to be a girl right now, but not posting tits and timestamp, you would disbelieve me and call me a faggot untill tits and timestamp were provided.
Your god has not shown tits, nor timestamp.

>>726614081
>If atheism is defined as NOT answering true, then that means atheism IS either answering false OR not answering the question.
Correct.
>someone who believes in god but isn't fully gnostic enough to answer true
Someone who believes in god WILL answer true though. That does not mean that he claims to know the answer is true, but he believes the answer to be true.

Again, A or not A. You either believe in gods or you don't. You either answer true or you don't answer true. To argue against this is to argue against the logical absolutes.

>>726614340
u dont know my beliefs. All u know is that i dont have a belief in gods
Your nonsense doesnt work on any1, that snot mental.

>>726614627
thats not*

>726614475
>No god has ever been demonstrated to objectively manifest TO ME
ftfy
you can't with any breath of authority tell other people what evidence they should and should not have. You have to understand that the atheist camp has THE LEAST EVIDENCE one way or the other, than any other group, regarding the existence of God.

>>726614505
Why MUST someone who believes in god answer true? You literally just told me someone who believes the answer is false must not answer that it's false. In fact your definition of atheism relies on that.

Your answer sounds completely hypocritical. It's like saying "As an atheist, I'm free to say I don't believe your god without saying he doesn't exist, but as a theist, you're NOT free to say I believe in god without saying I'm not 100% sure he does exist"

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>>726604127
>>726614494

Proven

>>726606319
i dont believe you
check mate

>>726604127
Prove he doesnt.

Here's how I know you have a piss poor command of English

>>726614627
>u dont know my beliefs.
Except when you tell us what you believe in, or the inverse, what you don't believe in.

>Your nonsense doesnt work on any1, that snot mental.
I'm going to leave you typo alone bc it's too easy. The word "mental" means "of the mind".
Surely, you meant to include an implication regarding mentality, such as "mentally retarded" or "mentally challenged" because as you've typed it, all you said was "that's not of the mind". And that bit of irony was pottery.

also, weak argument, ad hominems, resorting to symantics to distract from clearly illogical postulations

>>726615140
my favourite color isnt red. Im sure u understand now, what my favourite color is

>>726614099
It is equivalent if you apply that same logic towards all possibilities of god though.

>>726614755
>Why MUST someone who believes in god answer true?
Because of how you apply this imagined scenario to what we are actually talking about. At any given moment, you either believe a god exists (answer true) or you don't believe a god exists (don't answer true).
>You literally just told me someone who believes the answer is false must not answer that it's false.
I did no such thing. Someone who believes the answer is false would also answer that it is false. Someone who believes neither is the one who does not answer.
>In fact your definition of atheism relies on that.
It doesn't.
>Your answer sounds completely hypocritical.
Nope.
>you're NOT free to say I believe in god without saying I'm not 100% sure he does exist"
That's the exact opposite of what I'm saying. You ARE free to say that you believe in god without saying you are 100% sure he does exist and you are ALSO free to say that you believe in god with saying you are 100% sure he does exist. Both are theists.

>>726615343
No, it isn't. Not believing that there is no god in no way makes it equivalent.

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>>726604127
Trump became president

>>726615320
No, because primary colors are not binary. Now if you said that you don't believe in red, and that whose who do are on some nonsense, then you'd have an accurate analogy, but you don't.
You're jsimply malappropriating various concepts to try and make your illogical haplessness appear to have legitimacy. In this case, you're trying to add dimensions to a binary issue.

>>726615735
>Trump is a loser! Repeal & replace just tanked. He's about to go down hard!!

>>726615389
In case you didn't realize it by now, the true/false question we're talking about here is "God exists." Now there are 4 notable possibilities.

1) Believe God exists strongly enough to answer true (gnostic theist)
2) Believe God exists but weakly enough that you don't answer (agnostic theist)
3) Don't believe god exists strongly enough to answer false (gnostic atheist)
4) Don't believe god exists weakly enough that you don't answer (agnostic atheist)

Now those are the only way you can pose a situation where your statement of this is true:

> You ARE free to say that you believe in god without saying you are 100% sure he does exist and you are ALSO free to say that you believe in god with saying you are 100% sure he does exist. Both are theists.

However, that contradicts what you said earlier about how not answering is ALWAYS atheism because that makes my previously mentioned 2) not possible because he would be labeled an atheist for not answering. So you're contradicting yourself.

>>726615320
>choosing the colour argument
But atheism and theism are black and white, it's A or B. The topic is too general to try and make up new dimensions. There is no quasitheism, it's atheism or theism. Nice try, again. (That really means NOT a nice try)

>>726608923
The burden of proof falls on anyone making a claim. "There is no God" is a claim, and therefore must be proven.

Unless you're an agnostic, your beliefs are as baseless as a theist.

>>726616091
/thread

>>726616091
but no1 is making that claim

leprechauns are real

>prove me wrong

>>726616382
That's bullshit! Fuck off with your frikkin nonsense bullshit dude. I totally reject your belief! BUt I don't have any of my own hahahaahaa so I'm immune to speculation hahahaahah

>>726615973
>>726615780
the answer is still "i dont have your belief"

>>726616295

Except numerous people do. Antitheists, for example, and anyone making the fallacious statement, "There is no hard evidence for God, so God does not exist."

Theists can justify their beliefs with faith- no evidence for or against it, so to them it's about personal choice.

Atheists can not justify their beliefs with faith. Making the negative statement and preaching logic and evidence make believing in something for which there is no evidence doublethink.

Again, as it stands, only Agnostics base their beliefs in "facts," because they don't *believe* anything by definition.

>>726616382

Is it more ridiculous to assume that leprechauns exist, or that the universe didn't randomly arrange itself?

>>726616515
>"i dont have your belief"
That's not atheism. Not having "my belief" isn't atheism. If you look up atheism in any dictionary or encyclopedia, you're not going to find it defined as "Not having your belief".

>atheism is the rejection of belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.
"Atheism" isn't even cohesive. Some of them want to treat it like autism- as a wide spectrum (including tenets of agnosticism) That's hilarious because, functionally, the rules of English that formed the very word are being "relaxed" to meaninglessness.

Looks like atheism is "perpetual revision based on the discovery of logical holes". Good job, being part of such a futile demographic.

>>726613077
Evolution argues that life originates from non living matter, in my opinion that is kinda retarded with respect to the theory of evolution regarding a common ancestral species

>>726616790
>Theists can justify their beliefs with faith- no evidence for or against it,
They can. They can also have experienced for themselves the evidence needed to know God exists. And there is nothing you can do but accept that, because evidence (or even belief alone) is more evidence than atheism has. Atheism is like a chair-ridden quadriplegic in a baseball league. Even a kid thats never heard of baseball before would be a better player.

>>726615957
(2) is not actually possible and (3) is not worded correctly. You are (perhaps unknowingly) exploiting the limitation of analogies to try to defend your position (the limitation here being that being theist / atheist, gnostic / agnostic is internal and instantaneous for any given moment, not something that requires putting down an answer somewhere).
Here are the actual, real-world possibilities:
1. Believe God exists and know whether or not God exists (gnostic theist).
2. Believe God exists and don't know whether or not God exists (agnostic theist).
3. Don't believe God exists and don't know whether or not God exists (agnostic atheist).
4. Don't believe God exists and know whether or not God exists (results in believing God does not exist) (gnostic atheist).

>>726617677
What non living matter?

>>726608294
If you use your power to influence the outcome then it is no longer a bet. But I'll bet that you thought you were just so clever with that weak ass burn attempt, you lost.

>>726615735
/thread

>>726615735
Wouldn't that prove that God does not exist?

>>726617723
Let me sweeten the analogy a bit. Suppose the true/false question is still "God exists". Hypothetically someone in a position who absolutely knows the answer tells you "If you get this wrong, you get 0 points. If you don't answer, you get 5 points. If you get it right, you get 10 points." With that sweetened deal in place, all 4 of my possibilities directly map to all 4 of your possibilities, and #2 from mine is DEFINITELY possible. Why wouldn't someone who believes in God but isn't certain want to get 5 points credit compared to guessing and risking 0?

>>726617893
rocks and hydrogen and carbon
they were all like "hey, lets all use our conscious determination and decision making skills to choose which random mutations we want to keep and which ones we dont"

>>726616790
agnosticism isnt a belief.
Numerous ppl maybe, but atheism isnt a governed religion, so every atheist is his own man. They might make mistakes too. At least they r right to not buy into the religious claims.
>>726617234
where r u pulling that sentence out of? Its still "not believing in god". And u r arguing against atheism, so u gotta hold that belief and if u have a belief, its yours, cuz u have it.

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>>726618210

>>726604127
>Odin promised to protect humans from the Frost Giants
GLOBAL WARMING

*scratches neckbeard*

>>726618210
All you are doing is bringing the analogy further away from being a valid mapping to reality. Do you agree with my real-world possibilities or not?

go to a place that's supposedly haunted youll get yer proof

>>726618573
Ghosts are god?

>>726604430
>>726604494
if no dubs, god is real

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>>726604127
Deal with it.

>>726618751
if this post number is higher, than yours, u r wrong

Glad to so many believers of
Osiris 'the one 'true' God'

>>726618877
dubs confirm. based prof is based and proved god to you.

>>726618572
I completely agree with your 4 real world possibilities, but the ones I said are entirely real world possibilities too, and in fact they tend to "happen." For example suppose I'm a theist and there's some guy going around insulting or possibly killing someone claiming to be a Christian. Am I a gnostic theist willing to die for my beliefs or is my belief weak enough that I choose to not answer or outright lie? And suppose there's a guy going around insulting/killing atheists. Am I a gnostic atheist willing to say sorry bro god isn't real to the point of dying or do I not answer or lie?

>>726619088
If you're gay, you're wrong

checkmate, and steer clear of queer

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Most historians agree there was an actual man named Jesus that walked the Earth. The Bible says he did miracles and claimed to be God made flesh. Now that means he was either crazy a liar or telling the truth.

>>726614043
Big Bang theory

"Theory" is just a fancy word scientists use to say "best guess" but it is still just a guess. So as long as we're all just guessing around here I choose to guess that God was the one that set off Big Bang when he created universe.

>>726604127
kek is god

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HHMmmmmmm. ...Shai Hulud...

>>726619200
We are talking about internal beliefs and knowledge (or lack thereof), not actions. What someone would or would not be willing to do is irrelevant to the conversation. If you want to make new terms for people willing to die for their beliefs (e.g. martyr) then go for it, but that isn't what we are talking about.

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Fucking fedoralords, seen the news in the last 20 years? Vladimir Putin is very much alive and in existance

>>726619284
wow. 2 years of grade school paid off

>>726619250
4 out of 5 dentists also agree on brushing with Crest
so what

The dude will grant me dubs

>>726619242
ha! Im straight!

>>726619250
For sufficiently broad definitions of crazy and liar. There is also the possibility that there was a man named Jesus, but at least some of the stories attributed to him are false.

The fall of the USSR and the rise of the Eastern Orthodox Church like a phoenix from the ashes should be enough to prove God's existence to any rational Being.

>>726619250
>historians agree
history is democratic now?

>>726619535
Wait a second I misread your 4 possibilities. #4 as you worded it makes absolutely no sense at all and in fact makes the definition of atheism retarded. Why the hell would you continue to believe god doesn't exist even if you know the answer assuming the answer contradicts you?

The way you worded gnostic atheist says that it's possible you KNOW God is real but you still don't believe and that's perfectly still gnostic atheist? That makes absolutely no sense.

I am my own god. I exist. Therefore, my God exists.

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>>726619284
Hahaha
nope
way, way wrong

I am god trips confirm

if dubs, my cancer is god trying to cure me of life

>>726619635
9 out of 10 enjoy gang rape

>>726619871
Clearly you wouldn't. #4 is only possible if you know that God does not exist. #1 is the same way (though inverted).

#4 is "I don't believe in God" and "I know whether or not God exists" The only conclusion is that #4 knows that God does not exist.

>ITT edge-lord virgin atheists that wouldn't hesistate to cry out "OH GOD OH GOD OH MY GOD" as soon as they had a loaded gun pointed at their head or a knifeblade against their neck
Keketty kek

>>726620057
No one can go to the father unless he is born again
t; dying from this world is being "born again"

>>726620258
>implying atheists fear death

>>726620258
funny, that is also what your mom screams during sex

>>726620238
So the wording could have been made easier to understand like this:

1) I know god(s) are real (gnostic theist)
2) I know god(s) aren't real (gnostic atheist)
3) I don't know if god(s) are real but I believe they are real (agnostic theist)
4) I don't know if god(s) are real but I believe they aren't real (agnostic atheist)

For #1 and #2, belief doesn't matter because knowledge supercedes the need for belief.

>>726619586
We're already at the childish insult part of the debate? That was quick, I'm not going to play today though. God bless you anon.

>>726619927
Please share your "best guess" I'm here to learn, not judge.