Okay. Why is it bad for a race to want a living space for themselves?

>>726035958

The very definition of autism in all its glory. Webster's get on this shit right here.

>>726036301
Disprove his point or fuck off, mate

>>726036423

Not ur mate and I'm not obligated to. Cry some more.

>>726036504
And OP has autism?
Right

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>>726036597

Yes.

>.........right

>XD

>literally

>>726035958
First up, there are no races when it comes to humanity. And you can't get for living space for yourself without making the other nations move away. And they won't move away by themselves so violence is the only way.

OP said nothing wrong.

>>726036801
Not necessarily. Just move them to Canada or nations that want more refugees, help them move out. This doesn't have to be done violently

>>726035958
The sad thing is, social science has taken a look at diversity, and it looks bad. Diversity pretty much shatters social cohesion and makes people unhappy and isolated. A study decades ago showed this, and then again just a few years back another major study (from Harvard) showed the same thing. (It came out as the book Bowling Alone.) And then silence. We're not even allowed to say what we know. The really interesting question is who benefits from the diversity regime, because it's not the average person at all.

All segregation does is create social barriers and more racism/hate. No good comes out of it. The most successful societies in history have been very diverse.

>>726037108
Lol the fuck did you get this bullshit from?
That's just blatantly false.

>>726037229
Yea like Rome. They got overthrown by the barbarians because of "diversity"

Try again

>>726037306
Look, I've heard it said a hundred times that diversity makes us stronger. But no one has ever said "because" and then filled in the blank.
The reason why we're just supposed to accept that diversity is good without being given reasons or evidence of it is that there are no reasons or evidence for the claim. And if anyone asks, some p.c. dick yells "racist!"
From the NPR story: "A study conducted by Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam suggests that diversity hurts civic life and that differences can actually translate into distrust."

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>>726036801
This bullshit again... There are no races except when it's beneficial for example black people. There isn't race except when you can take something from white people. And remember this if you are white Native-European: It's not you who has to live as minority in your own native land. It's your children and your sisters children and your brothers children. Just read about Africa and see how white children are being treated compared to black children and you see your children's future ;^)

See:
http://www.worldtribune.com/south-africas-president-calls-for-confiscation-of-white-owned-land-without-compensation/

>>726037798

This tbh... Race doesn't seem to exist except when there's something to gain from it.

>>726036301
Yeah it is autism. People like this are simply retarded. Living in a constant state of social anxiety because people look or act different. They're unable to understand different cultural social cues. Also I'm a perfect aryan genetically (Im 35 and I still look and feel 18) but I find it funny how almost all nazi sympathizers have such shitty genetics.

>>726035958
That's literally what Israel is.

Not only is it not bad, it's actually the best, most productive, and most humane thing you could do.

Germany in 1935 was an amazing place for the Germans.
When you have the social cohesion of nationalism and ethnic purity, you can achieve a system where there are functioning socialist programs at a decentralized level and improve quality of life for everyone.

Tribalism is our natural state as humans. I think we'll eventually go back to that. Something like the phyles/claves from Snow Crash/Diamond Age. Keep in mind that these will not necessarily form around race but around culture. Anyway, a lot of what we think of as racism even now is really more culturalism.

>>726038891
>That's literally what Israel is.
Japan as well.

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>>726038891
For them. Not anyone else

Like the little kids in Auschwitz

>>726037798

/thread

there isn't race expect when it's about evil whiteys

>>726039522
The suffering in internment camps under the third reich was largely due to the allied forces bombing supply lines for the Germans.

Auschwitz is also a terrible example to use, because it was under the control of the Soviets. The stories from Auschwitz varied greatly and widely in the decades following the war, And the place has undergone many secret renovations under the soviet rule.

Auschwitz, where Anne Frank went, is touted as a death camp, where no one survived a week there, and bodies were being burned by the thousands daily. And gas chambers were used for mass executions.

Meanwhile the reality was that there were schools, leisure, sports, bars, brothels and more in Auschwitz. There were only a handful of ovens that couldn't have cremated even a single percent of claims in a single day. And the gas chambers, which were heavily modified under soviet rule, were never gas chambers and there is no evidence that they were. Even after the soviet remodel they don't come close to resembling a gas chamber. This was in the 1940's, not the fucking 1740's. Gas chamber technology was far beyond a concrete building with a wooden door. They were delousing chambers. Which is funnily enough, why they used a delousing agent in them. The rails going in and out of Auschwitz could not have supported the supposed death toll either. The time and labor it takes to load carts full of thousands of bodies wouldn't have been possible.

>>726035958

Because you are making up groups that do not exist. Why do you need your own version of identity politics?

>>726037798

Which makes race not real. Thanks for proving our point.

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>>726040579
Actually, Auschwitz was originally planned to be a major death camp for the jews. Try again fag

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>>726035958
There's nothing wrong with a race wanting to live with their own people, especially when the race that wants its own land is the superior race.

>>726041023

>I may not be able to prove race is real...
>...but trust me, I am superior.

The more I read threads like this, the more clearly I see things. No one is disproving OP, and the people disagreeing with him are just saying "NO YOUR FUCKING RETARDED / RACIST LUL "

funny stuff

>>726040813

KEK. Not him but this must be THE SHITTIEST argument i have seen in my whole life.

>>726041163
Race is real, your fucking blind and retard if you can't realize that. Do you not recognize different breeds of dog and horses, breeds that may be part of the same species but exhibit characteristically different behavior and appearance. How is that any different than race?

>>726041023
I'm genetically superior to you in every way. I'm a textbook aryan and I can see right through your arguments. Globalization and the internet are here to stay and you have to deal with different cultures. I've known a few black engineers and chemists and they were all quite intelligent. Your arguments are flawed and weak. You just wish you were like me, and you cuck yourself because of it.

>>726036504
Found the jew.

>>726035958
It isn't

3rd worlders and shit tier mudslime nations (disregarding the oil rich emirates) see how successful western countries are (usually founded on christian ideologies) , get buttflustered they have to eat a moldy orange for dinner again, cry unfair and then want in on the action.
Cultural diversity is what makes the world beautiful and ugly.
Mixing them all into one is retarded, look at where the eu is heading

Anyone who disagrees is a 3rd world monkey or refugee

>>726037306
Fuck off kike.

>>726040914
Hitler had nothing to do with any behind the scenes genocide plans.
And Himmler failed at implementing any of them on any serious scale.

The 6 million number comes from the total number of Jews living in Europe at the time.
The Pogroms were originally trying to be used as "the Shoah"

The Holocaust is and was surrounded by myth and propaganda because it was an engineered story to create the state of israel.
Look at the British Jewish involvement in WW1 and WW2 and the Georgian-Jewish communist movement in Russia.
People confuse Holocaust skepticism with holocaust denial, and some people are even stupid enough ton confuse holocaust denial with ww2 denial.
It's illegal to question the Holocaust because when you do a lot of the myth of blood thirsty racist murderous genocide disappears.

>>726041023
Racism only leads to death on a massive scale

>>726041321

If race is real than why does it not exist within biological science?

>>726035958
segregation worked perfectly well in the 50's.
Im on board.

>>726035958
Well it's racist.

>>726041709
as does integration

see france

>>726041388
Why the fuck do I have to deal with lesser cultures? Why do we have to let them in? There is no reason, the vast majority contribute almost nothing to western civilization, yet act as a drain on resources. I don't care if your a text book aryan, the Romans forged an Empire while your were running around the forest with spears, how blonde you are doesn't matter to me.

>>726041297

I agree, they never seem to offer any arguments for race.

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>>726041709
Racism isn't bad in itself, discrimination is.
That is, if you define racism solely as believing that one race is superior to another.

>>726041900
That's not an argument.

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>>726041851
you tried

>>726037757
Man, A SINGLE STUDY? Well that's it. Nice argument.

>>726041851
It does. There's all sorts of diseases that are more prevalent in some races than others. There are differences in average IQ. There are differences in anatomy (dick size anyone?).
But again, I think racism is mostly culturalism.

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>>726042169
>sees a claim
>admits it's a valid claim
>still dismisses it

>>726041911
Drain on resources? We're on the verge of unbelievable abundance of energy and food thanks to solar and GMOs. What entitles you to said resources? The vast majority of humans don't contribute to western advancement in any meaningful way. We're by and large users standing on the shoulders of giants. But that is the natural order of things, progress takes time. People will adapt and contribute if they have opportunity.

>>726040579
Auschwitz controlled by the Soviets? You must be in high school.

>>726041974
How is it not?

>>726042417
Why are we entitled to the resources? The men of the West are responsible for an abundance of said resources.

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>>726040579
yeah, Auschwitz was more like a holiday camp really.

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>>726042526

>>726042169
Show me your studies of how nice and happy diversity is

>>726042417
>We have destroyed our country and developed it poorly
>Gibmedat
Go back and fix your fucking shithole of a country. YOUR PEOPLE ruined it, YOUR PEOPLE are the ones who need to fix it.

No handouts, fix your shit

>>726041950
That's literally what racism is.


Prejudice, Racism, and Discrimination are 3 different things.

Prejudice is the pre-judging (wow) of someone based on a group they can be categorized in, commonly race, sex, age, and religion.

Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another.

Discrimination is the different treatment of someone over another

I don't particularly believe strongly in any across the board superiority of races against others. But there are definite massive differences between the races.
What the left likes to call racism is just Discrimination with Prejudice. You can discriminate without prejudice though, such as earned discrimination.
For example, timmy, age 4, throws his ice cream on the ground, so timmy doesn't get ice cream.
That's earned discrimination.
Prejudice discrimination would be if you didn't give any 4 year old ice cream simply because they're a part of timmy's group, 4 year olds.

Discrimination isn't inherently bad.

>>726041637
>stormfag talking points

>>726042698
Here ya go, dumbass - http://www.citylab.com/work/2011/12/diversity-leads-to-economic-growth/687/

>>726042890
"This sounds like something someone I don't like would say. This means that their argument is invalid."

>>726042812
Too tired to read what you wrote but racism isnt knowing that there are different humans and not only 1 human being.

If im black and ur white, we arent the same race. A communist will say ''yes only one race'' just delusional

>>726042458
Look up the liberation of Auschwitz.
Also I'm not sure if you knew this, but Poland was under soviet control after the war.
Poland was annexed by the USSR
Communism in Poland lasted until around 1990 mate.

>>726042812
>muh labels
Can't we just have an all in battle? Mudslimes vs Christians? Winner takes all?

>>726042937
"White powerful countries with geography prime for trade have the best economies, it must be because of diversity!"

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>>726036801

>>726042668
>Pointing out that Internment camps are different from death camps
>You straw man instead of actually forming a thought
Dank.

>>726043304
aw, calm down snowflake.

>>726035958
Europe is the homeland of white folks and should have the right to stay that way. But they run the risk of turning the place into a museum with a moribund culture if they do that. The USA on the other hand has never been a strictly "white" country and has no historical claim to support becoming one now.

>>726043423
Oh no, he used a word right wing people use against me, heeeeelp

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I would just have a look at s,n,a.p.c.h,a.t.y(.)me to leak school's hottest girl's nudes.

>>726035958
Because it isn't really practical in a massively connect, global world where people travel frequently to disallow entry into certain areas based on skin color. I mean, the logistics of it alone would be mind boggling. You have any idea how much money it would cost to stop every non-white person from coming into a country?

>>726042554
Yes but not a majority of them. We all benefit and use the designs of a select few innovators. My heritage doesn't make me anymore entitled to said advancement than anyone else. We're all a bunch of users. I'm an enginner but i haven't done anything to innovate or advance society, so I'm no more entitled than anyone. My job could be done by an AI in a decade or less, and what then? Who gets to decide who the AI benefits? Most likely a wealthy asshole who hasn't earned or worked his whole life. The real war is with the super rich. Know thine enemy.

>>726043281
It's not labels it's language.
The left is obsessed with twisting language to further it's agenda.
Using language clearly and correctly is hugely important.

>>726043567
"The real war is with the super rich"
The real war is with the super rich Jews

>>726043619
Don't you mean 'biggly' important?

>>726043619

still, an all in battle would be cool. don't deny that.
How much would fox charge for the fight?

>>726035958
Reminder that you don't have to argue with nazifags. Eventually they grow out of it.

>>726042890
Prove him wrong then. Its so simple, right? But you can't.

>>726043563
>to disallow entry into certain areas based on skin color.
That's a straw man.
Most people aren't saying to go full North Korea. They're saying to go something like Israel.

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>>726043384
Nigga weren't you the one who went off about the schools, sports, bars, and wonderful leisure activities at Auschwitz? Sounds like a holiday camp to me.

>>726035958
The biggest reason people do it is the basic xenophobic instinct. Everything else is an attempt to logically justify it. Cultures change as fast as they blend, and skin tone shifts to match the environment. Though intelligence may actually vary a measurable amount from group to group, the genetic component is minuscule compared to economic and cultural factors. Race isn't really a big deal. Segregation breeds animosity and phobia, which is almost always unhealthy for all involved parties.

It's an instinct we will need to overcome before the aliens start talking to us, too.

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>>726043811
I'll get on that right after I go discuss Keynesian Economics with the chimps at the zoo.

>>726041901
Those two are exclusive

>>726043941
I'm stating the facts, you're the one jumping to the conclusion.

>>726035958

It's not bad to do either of those things.

The United States dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan. Once they happened and the United States wasn't tried for war crimes, not a single country has the moral high ground to demand any country has limits on its selfpresevation.

>>726035958
If you want a living space then fuck off to Europe, white people are the niggers that steals land and resource from othe country.

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AH I LOVE IT when 4chan gets all political and forget that countries, cultures, races, wealth, etc, are just man-made fictions. Biologically speaking, all this are fictions that belong only to the man-made invention called "society" and wars, conflicts, etc are the result of H. Sapiens unconscious need to subdue itself.

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>>726044385
y u so buttblasted tho?

>>726044825

pretty sure every race on earth has done that if you ever bothered to crack a history book you might learn it for yourself. White people have just most successful at it recently.

>>726044993
The Arabs and north Africans were actually the most successful at it of all time.

it's NOT, it's just you and your race have been such pieces of shit that you can't let anything you think of be legit enough to let anyone else have a say in it all. Us Native American's would LOVE Montana and North and South Dakota...and we'll cram as many of us as we can into those three states...and you can do whatever the fuck you want with the rest of the world....kill yourselves off for all we care...we just want a chance to live!!!

Why does anyone still believe the lie that the war was for "Lebenraum"?

>>726035958
Race is a social construct, so there will be massive disagreements about who is in what race.

>>726044854
AH I LOVE IT when the Sociology freshman comes knocking down the doors to enlighten all the poor plebians with their divine knowledge.

>>726044993
White nigger stole my bike.

>>726045151
Just about everything is a 'social construct'.

>>726045583
Yeah, but that's not relevant to my point. The way race has been constructed makes it a terrible basis for segregating a population. Would Obama live with the whites or the blacks? What about Tiger Woods? There would be so much disagreement that it would be a mess.

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Hi Mohammed

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>>726046110
That's why I've been saying that I think most racism is actually culturalism. It's why you see some people say they don't mind black people, they just hate niggers. What they mean is that they hate nigger culture, or what they imagine it to be.

>>726046110
The social construct aspect of race is exactly why race makes a huge social binder.
It's what makes societies tightly knit, it encourages collectivism and charity, while not disincentivizing work.
Obama and Tiger woods are Black. No one questions it. It's what they Identify as, it's what everyone identifies them as. The fact that it's a social construct makes that an easy call to make.
It would only be hard to make if you attempted to genetically separate race.

>>726037229
yeah, like how integration did away with all the racism and hate, right?

>>726046110
>>726046110
Tiger married white. All the bitches he cheated with were white. His best friends are white. He went to Stanford and plays golf. What do you think?
Obama is a tough one.

>>726045328
No need to thank me, mate. Remember the Neanderthals. If it was not for them you sapiens would not have blue eyes and blond hairs to distinguish you from the other european sapiens and asians.

>>726046424
Actually, Tiger Woods identifies as Cablinasian, but the black community likes to claim him because of his fame and success. So that's my point, it leads to a lot of disagreements, which is great if we're all living together and can have lively discussion, but I think it would turn ugly if we were talking about how to geographically divide ourselves.

>>726047146
>I think it would turn ugly if we were talking about how to geographically divide ourselves.
We already naturally divide ourselves geographically.
What is white flight?

>>726047331
That supports my point. When we divide ourselves up along racial lines it gets ugly. Residential segregation in the US is a huge problem for racial minorities.

>>726035958
Because that living space belonged to someone else and they didn't have the strength to take and hold it

>>726037108
>>726041637
Wish my Polish great-grandparents experienced your imaginary world....now kindly fuck off

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>>726035958
Your question is very relevant. It's also easy to explain:

1) Every race has the right to have a living space for itself.

2) But sadly there's no way for a race to have a living space for itself since 2.1) there is no consensus on the definition of race and 2.2) setting up a "space" for a race requires political institutions such as contries, governments, etc, and political frontiers, powers and cultures are in constant change;

3) Setting up a space for a race would require also many decisions such as defining commercial restrictions among others. This would please some individuals of this very race and displease other individuals of this very race, because their racial identity is not enough to make them agree with everything and none of them would like to occupy a lower social status within that racial reserved space. That would destabilize that racial space because, no matter its biological unity, it would continue to have political and social conflicts among its individuals.

4) So a supreme power would have to be instituted to force this space's unity through cohersion.

5) Because the H. Sapiens has a natural need to compete for resources, such political power would have also to expand its frontiers, be it fisically or economically.

6) by this point conflict would be within and outside such racial reserved space. That would men more wars and suffering than usual.

In shorter words: it's nod bad for a race to have a living space for itself. But it's impossible to achieve this without exterminating other races and oppressing individuals of the very race whose reserved space is to be created.

>>726048556
It wouldn't be any different than it is now. We could still have a UN if countries were culturally/racially defined. We're already tribal, just not in that way.

>>726048399
They did.
I never said WW2 wasn't devistating.
I never said there were no atrocities that happened.
And I sure as shit never said that the terrible lives the Polish people had to live post ww2 didn't happen.

What I did say is that the Holocaust didn't happen as you've been told.

>>726040914
You retard. I know all about revisionism but no one with a brain is claiming AUSCHWITZ was a death camp. Historians, revisionists, victims of the time, and every day folk all agree that it was just a concentration camp. The deaths camps included Treblinka among others. Btw, I fully support white nationalism (Zionists have pushed it out of the way in favour of globalism, and a lot of people eat it up and label WNs are "racists") but revisionism is the most pathetic form of degeneracy in the Western world. Genocides happen, the Holocaust happened.

>>726048556
Hello Mr Eater of Propaganda. I have two links to show you.

http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com.au/2011/10/if-hitler-won-world-war-ii-we-would.html

>WWII was essentially a war between two competing ideologies: Nationalism -vs- Jewish Internationalism/globalism. Adolf Hitler and his allies fought to preserve the concept of Nationalism, not just for Germans but for all peoples the world over. Nationalism really just means the sovereignty of an ethnic people and the right of such ethnic people/nationalists - within their own bordered country - to self-determination. What is meant by self-determination? Self-determination just means an ethnic people preserving their unique culture & heritage and pursuing their collective goals as a unique people. This applies to any ethnic peoples: Nigerians, Germans, Swedes, Vietnamese, Mexicans, Tibetans, etc.

https://thezog.wordpress.com/

Check each section in the right hand column. There is certainly a generally accepted definition of race. The only way you could make those numbered points is by being completely ignorant of the reality of the Western world.

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