How powerful is the US army really? I mean, if it came down

>>726023557
Would lose to either china or russia and is t really in a position to start causing shit with anyone other than third world nations until they get their budget increased over $600b to bring their equiptmemt back up to full strength. Particularly with regards to gen 5 plane numbers f2w n the likes. But they dont make f22 anymore and f35's have been hiking prices to unreasonably high level.
Trump will have some decisions to make and push through congress.

You should attack now if you ever want to do it.

>>726024813
Also they're too preoccupied with fighting amongst themselves over first world problems. Strike now

>>726024813
lol stop. No we wouldn't. We don't hold the position we do in a corner. China and Russia do. They are backed up and defensive always.
Paying attention to international politics would let you know immediately how poorly China or Russia would do in a war against us.

They are certainly the biggest threats to the U.S. since they are the biggest most advanced militaries aside from the U.S. But still nowhere near capable of taking on America in a conventional no holds barred war.

A simple blockade of China would decimate that country within a month. Let alone a full blown war.
Russia suffers immensely every time the U.S. take economic action. Warfare isn't just pewpew pow pow guns and bombs. It's about destroying your enemy. And in a war, even against the both of those countries they would lose long before Americans really suffer.

>>726024813
maskirovkan power projection works, as shown in this guy's perception of russian power

>>726023557
how powerful is US army
>shows picture of US Air Force

>>726025742
army = armed forces = all the different branches combined

>>726023557
The most powerful army on the planet.

no one can invade mainland USA because of distances and natural obstacles, even if troops were on the ground in South America or Northern Canada logistics would be a nightmare for the invaders.
If USA invaded Russia or China it would be a bloodbath the modern world would not be ready to handle, the best tactics those two countries have are basically zap brannigan attacks until we run out of bullets, rinse, repeate.
>>726025940
you said army not combined forces, fucking autist

>>726026207
>you said army not combined forces, fucking autist
"=" means "equal", meaning army is the same thing as armed forces

they call it a "contraction"

you might want to look that up

>>726024813
>Would lose to either china or russia and is t really in a position to start causing shit with anyone other than third world nations until they get their budget increased over $600b to bring their equiptmemt back up to full strength. Particularly with regards to gen 5 plane numbers f2w n the likes. But they dont make f22 anymore and f35's have been hiking prices to unreasonably high level.
>Trump will have some decisions to make and push through congress.
>You should attack now if you ever want to do it.


This is written by either a Moslem in Occupied Europe or some slav/nigger/irrelevant Third Worlder extolling personal fantasies.

The United States of America owns the water, the skies, inner space, the Internet and can land on your soil and fuck you and your relatives up sideways within 72 hours.

We are more than any other empire in any time ever was.

>>726026316
>"How powerful is the US army really?"
US Army is a separate branch, US combined forces are all the forces.

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>>726025940
>>726026316
Army is a section of the military/armed forces dumbass.

>>726027032
i stand corrected

>>726025438
Well if you listen to Western media obviously they will tell you that Russia and China would do awful in a war. The simple fact is this thread is irrelevant because both Russia and the US have nuclear weapons that can obliterate the world effortlesly.

Against any other nation it wins in a naval or air war.
The only true obstacles I would see would be a land war against Russia or China where the final goal is to occupy those nations. On a similar note, invasion of the US is impossible under current conditions of those of the foreseeable future.

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>>726023557
6 month passed, but they still can't take one shitty Mosul.
/thread

>>726026387
Agreed.
Remember when the first US stealth fighter was shown publicly. We had that tech for decades before. Now apply that to all other mediums
> water, the skies, inner space, the Internet
and that is our actual capability we'd use under a world war III scenario. Until then, all us peons will be in the dark as to what the US is holding.

Also to act like China or Russia is anywhere close to the US on this type of military innovation and R&D is laughable. It has been stated many times that all the "breaches" and missing stealth drones to foreign powers are just a ruse to keep our Enemies thinking we dont have as much advancement.

Well it's the most powerful offensive force on the planet but it would not be able to defeat Russia. China it could defeat because China is more of a paper tiger due to the fact that they haven't really fought any major wars and thus are not a real fighting force nor a warrior class type people.
There's only 2 real countries on the planet that have equivalent 1st tier combat experience and that's USA and Russia. For every war that the USA has had, Russia has had an equivalent war in any given era. For instance let's start with Vietnam, Russia had Afghanistan to test their toys out on and hone their fighting prowess. Then U.S. had desert storm, Russia had Chechnya War 1. Then U.S. had afghan war Russia had Chechnya war 2. Then U.S. had Iraq war 2, Russia had Syrian war (currently ongoing) etc.
In an equal fight on a neutral territory USA would win, but USA in an offensive war against Russia where Russia is defending its homeland, USA stands no chance of winning and would not win. In a nuclear exchange, Russia has a higher chance of winning because the country is the largest on earth and parts of it would survive whereas USA would be annihilated.

>>726029004
Agree with everything you said except I do think Russia is better equipped with their air force.

>>726029599
That's the Iraqi Army. Back in 2003, the US Army invaded Iraq and took Baghdad in a little over a month.
Before that, in 1991, it took a few weeks to drive the Iraqis out of Kuwait.

>>726029685
Good points but the US would only have to target west Russia with nuclear weapons because that's where 95% of the population is. No one would win in a nuclear exchange imo.

>>726029599
its easy to see things in black and white when you wield no power or data on the subject.
Putting aside the possibility that Mosul cannot be taken as it should--i.e.-without remorse or mercy for the local population, because of SJW cunts in the west... Why do you think they want to hurry up and finish this war anytime soon?

>>726023557
The US military is the only military on Earth capable of projecting force. The US is literally so far above any other country when it comes to logistical support that no one else would stand a chance.

>>726029704
The Russian Air Force does have some excellent planes but they also have a lot of older stuff or aircraft that are not flight-worthy. Things sitting on runways and being stripped of parts to keep other flying.
An air war over Russia itself would be difficult, over Europe it would be determined fairly quickly.
If it was a question of naval aviation then the US wins hands down.

I would also bet more on the quality of American pilots as well just from having more experience and flight time.

>>726023557
tech and weapons usa is number one but currently it is a skeleton crew. if usa went to real war with someone like russia or china we would lose before the draft could have any impact

>>726030045
that's incorrect 95% doesn't live in west russia. It's more sure, but it's not 95%. Secondly yes USA would wipe out most of the population but some would probably survive cus the country is simply too big whereas USA would be annihilated.
Secondly, Russia has far more nuclear weapons AND biological/chemical weapons than the USA AND on top of that Russia's nukes are generally/typically more powerful in megaton count so in a mutual exchange I'd place my money on Russia winning. Not to mention the fact that China borders Russia and if USA ever nuked Russia, after the radioactive cloud blows in to China, guess who is going to begin nuking the USA also? So in short, USA would perish

>>726026316
>>726027032
Autists

>>726030115
Completely wrong. Russia is showing the world as we speak its force projection capabilities in Syria. Russia single handedly dominated ISIS/Al-qaeda (Al-Nusra) in Syria as we speak all via force projection including successful usage of aircraft carrier, long range bombing, etc.

>>726023557
They have invested so much technology to it but I would say China and Russia would be pretty equal enemies, I think they have more quantity vs quality though.

Unless they are using nukes or some new top secret weaponry the winner would be the one with more money. War is incredibly expensive. Just to gather you troops to a one place and letting them wait costs so much money.

>>726030269

lol russia? is that a joke. you know it costs money to wage war right? Russia is broke as fuck. You're fucking retarded.

>>726030421
It's pointless to try to theorize a full-scale nuclear exchange because nobody wins.

>>726030115
>one of the main problems of these discussions come from some dialogues of conventional means fighting, and others are mixed in with nuclear options.

Once you introduce all out nuclear war.- the release off all our nukes on both sides to exterminate the other, conventional means really go out the window. The fact that people are arguing about how man planes there are and how good they are after thousands of nukes hit each side show a true lack of understanding.

>>726030584
actually you sound pretty retarded to me, U.S. is more broke than russia. 110% debt to GDP whereas Russia has about 10% debt to GDP.

If we got in a war with Russia why would we invade them, knock out there capabilities and it's over. Not saying we would win, just saying we don't have to do what hitter tried.

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>>726023557
The U.S. has over 800 over seas military bases. Russia has 9.

Also, U.S. citizens have more guns than any other countries military.

>>726023557

Do you remember 72 years ago when we won World War 2? Multiply that by 720,000,000

>>726030546
>Russia to Syria is projecting force
>top kek
Go Slav squat in some other thread. Russia successfully used their only active aircraft carrier in their own fucking back yard. That's super impressive. There's no way the US could match them with their twelve fucking active carriers. Literally impossible!

U ever look at what America makes a year to Russia, we may be in debt, but we out do them

>>726030856
debt is not broke.
debt just means that someone else wants you to pay them back...or else what, China?...Russia?

>>726030546
Russia has one aircraft carrier with a little over 40 aircraft aboard her. The one area where Russia has proven itself is with strategic bombers but those are few in numbers.
While Russia has force projection capabilities above most nations, it is still well far behind America's.

During scenarios for a WW3 in Europe the most consensus was that the USSR/Russia would have the early advantage but after a few weeks US/NATO would have heavy reinforcements on the continent.

>>726030546
>Trying to say that Russia has demonstratable force projection capability because they parked a decaying carrier in the Med...
The Admiral Kuznetsov is really on its last legs man. They lost two aircraft simply because the thing is falling apart, which is why it got recalled and Russian aircraft are now based in Syria.

Also, Russia isn't singlehandedly doing anything against ISIS/AQ.

Force projection is as much about logistics as it is about kinetic operations. Russia'a logistic capacity doesn't even come close to the US; nobody's does. Even other western nations rely on the US for that.

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>>726023557
if you look in to past world wars, key for the victory was access and controll of resources, but also industrial capabilities

sre USA have a huge financial sector, but in case of global war, this capital could become obsolete, but still having this huge industrial sector, there would be very hard for americans to lose

looking only at numbers, neither chinese or russians are even close to amercans - going head to head, usa prolly would win easily, but if russians would use some unorthodox strategy (which they are famous for in times of need) well that would tip the ballance

for example, 12 aircraft carriers sounds like an immense advantage,(which ist also is) but what happens when russian would use a swarming hypersonic missliles against them (read BrahMos and DF-24 as a starter point of the development) well that would place aircraft varriers in the same pot as battleships in the end of WWII - aka obsolete

tl;dr - on paper USA would easily win, in reality - who knows

think you guys should be thankful the us still cares about its image (sorta) otherwise civilian casualties would just be apart of the job and not a taboo practice. imagine if we fought like the taliban there isn't a country in the world that could survive an attack like that from us. terrorist occupy civilian towns cause its safe for them knowing we won't just level the whole area because of the innocents

>>726030421
China & the US rely on each other too much economically. If anything, China & the US would just dick down Russia with more trade tariffs for acting like anyone gives a shit about them.

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>>726030856

debt = broke

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

do you even economics kid?

Russia isn't in debt because no one will lend them money, because they have no way to pay it back.

Jesus christ internet people are stupid. Then again i'm stupid for arguing with a 12 year old.

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>>726031621
Those anti-carrier missiles are untested under real conditions and US Carriers have a huge network of defenses just to ensure nothing hits them.
I would not place any money on those missiles defeating an entire carrier group and even if they managed to sink one there's still many left. Those missile launch sites would be tracked down and destroyed.

>>726030910

not to mention an armed populace. more guns in the USA than citizens. Imagine trying to occupy cities with a full armed population.

Fucking impossible.

>>726031790
Hiroshima and Nagasaki are testament to that, they planned on dropping many more nukes n would have if China didn't rush to surrender. in a time when civilian casualties didn't matter

>>726031003

USA was more like a pinch hitter in that war. Sure we came in and swept up at the end, but the toughest parts of that war had already been fought.

It was england and russia that won the war. Sure they needed us at the end, but we can't take all the credit, they lost WAY more than we did.

>>726032262
>Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>China
What?

>>726031865
China has an obligation to Russia geographically above the US..
>also muh communism came from Russia

>>726032410
point is when we bombed japan then, we didn't care about the casualties. n since now we do watts not as easy for us as it used to be. dunno why I typed China... brainfart?

>>726032715
wars*

>>726023557
irrelevant, WWIII is only going to last about 15 minutes

>>726023557
Lockheed martin.

>>726032007
again, it's not finished product yet
currently BrahMos is operating with 2.8-3 Mach with possible developement to 5 Mach
if next generation of those hypersonic missles go near 8 Mach and launches simultaniously 10 to 15 missles at same aircraft carrier (hense swarming) nothing can shot them down, even if you could lock uppon them (which you can't on this speed)
it's pure numbers, not pissing contest (my dad is stronger than yours) - as soon as those numbers turns against americans - game over

>>726032340
That's wrong. Some people really underestimate the US's contribution to WW2.
The USSR joined the war in July, 1941 (And before that had helped Germany tank Poland). the US joined in December, 1941. Only a few months apart.
Americans were fighting on three fronts against the Axis, and supplying its allies, while the USSR fought on one (Admittedly, the biggest). The US pulled off an incredible balancing act during the war but it's often ignored because some people only focus on Europe when looking at WW2.
Without any of the US, UK, USSR, WW2 would have been much hard (if not impossible) to win.

If we didn't play by some sort of moral code?

We would lay waste to the entire world. No one can compete. WMD equipped MIRV's and sleeper cells would be the biggest hurdle on our land.

Still, they would cease to exist.

ITT: patriotic burgers desperately trying to divert attention away from the fact they haven't won a war 1v1..... ever.

>>726029599
you can't /thread your own post nigger
sit in the corner
i don't care how much i might agree with your post, learn to /b/ nigger

>>726033035
they won ONE - mexican war 1846

>>726032882
Going to be difficult that many missiles.
If you've ever read Red Storm Rising, there's a similar scenario with an American carrier group being hit by swarms of missiles from Tu-22M Backfires.
It's a tactic that works once and then a counter is made.

In this case, it would be China firing a swarm of missiles and maybe sinking one CV, but then the Americans would be aware of the threat and change things up. Especially making their priority target those launch sites. Even if they're fired from mobile launchers they will need to be moved and that movement will be observed. No weapon or trick works every single time.

>>726032340
Really? Russia literally would have been steamrolled if not for the US feeding, clothing, and supplying them. The American bombing effort effectively kept the Germans production capabilities during the war to a minimum, and on top of that, the US was burning fucking Tojo from the Aleutian Islands all the way to Japan.

>>726032894
People always love to equate the number of Russian casualties to their contribution to the war.

Not sure why; should A county be congratulated for letting the enemy invade their country, or for having such poorly trained conscripts and leadership that mass casualty events were a daily occurrence?

>>726032340
Russia almost lost. cunt hair away from Mosscow. Hitler made mistakes going to those southern oil fields. He also made a mistake getting into a two front war before knocking out England, which was on its last leg.
Germany was close as fuck to winning it all before the US came in with its men and logistics.

>>726032882
So, a theoretical untested weapon platform that in the future might be able to beat a carrier group assuming there are no defensive adjustments and america just sits back to watch.
And assuming that the entire kill chain, from finding the carrier group in real time all the way through terminal guidance works perfectly when half of that kill chain doesn't exist...

>>726033035
Can't help the fact the rest of the world is our bitch, and when we say "jump" you all say "how high?"

>>726033261
exactly what i was trying to say, this wouldn't win a war, but would definetelly make carriers obsolete, because what would you do to protect multi-billion target-dummy? leave it in harbor in safety

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>>726033035
revolutionary war
> pic related if you actually think France did shit except make us bread

>>726032646
Being near somebody doesn't make you allies. China & Russia also have a history of disputes over shared borders.

>>726032882
Fucking Cold War propaganda all over again. Remember when the west was terrified that the new Soviet MBT would steamroll through Europe? Then after the war everyone came to realize that it was just a metal death trap that would toss its turret at the first sign of fire (who stores ammo in the turret wring), and was more likely to rip the gunner's arm off than make it across a grass field. Russia is incapable of developing anything that's remotely close to being on the same level as the US.

>>726032882
>nothing fast enough
rail gun tech, for example..laser for another.
you people and your "cannot best this weapon" nonsense,
I'm sure they're working on the- impossible to hack period - computer security as well.

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Chinks can't compete with airburst guns

>>726028597
Pretty sure this is about who would win in a conventional war, since no one really wins in a nuclear conflict.

Apparently u haven't heard of the su 4

>>726033552
you hold on tight to those delusional dreams little boy. you hold on real tight now, y'hear?

>>726033498
i am not talking about distant future, but about next generation of missles that is allready on drawing boards, which would take months, usa from other hand just invested heavily into outdated aegis (arleigh burke class destroyers) and it is very unlikely they would spend anything in this area in near decade

>>726033701
you'd be surprised how a next door neighbor with a gun pointed at you gets you attention. would make most people try to resolve things rather than escalate

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>>726033607
I strongly doubt you can make a carrier obsolete.
You're not just going to scare the US into leaving their carriers in port and out of battle. Even if you inflict losses.
More will be built and they will come with new technology and tactics to fight back.

Much like after Pearl Harbor. Did losing numerous battleships mean the US left them all behind? No. They were rebuilt and modernized and then sent out to kick ass.
The difference was the threat of air attack was taken more seriously to counters to it were emphasized. The same would be true of these missiles- prioritizing developing counters to them and implementing them onto existing/new ships.

>>726033498
Seriously. People don't seem to realize that these magical carrier group-killing ballistic missiles will only work if you can actually find and reliably track the carrier group, which is fucking difficult even without sophisticated electronic countermeasures in play.

>>726033844
rail guns have supperior speed and power, but ... NO guidence system, means rail gun can not turget on a moving object

making it a very expenseve toy

>>726029004
This although as another anon said Russia Air Force might be better. Those sukhois are pretty good when it comes to maneuverability so dog fighting I'd give them that. How ever who knows if that'd matter.

>>726034242
>Delusional dreams
Like the kind you have as you lay in bed ignoring the fact that my country's military bases are in your country? ;^)

>>726034449
>what are space satellite

funny you've mentioned, both russians and chinese have at this moment functional space-programs, but usa does not

>>726034502
your viewpoint.
>USA cannot improve weapons

please god tell me your a troll

>>726031190
The only viable option nato had, or still has today, to defend against a full soviet attack into eastern europe was using tactical nukes. youre not going to stop 100 divisions with the vastly out numbered conventional nato forces.

The us of a has stated that aircraft carriers have problems seen there last days

>>726034525
after nukes fly.. it wouldnt.
none of this really matters unless the discussion is a non-nuclear scenario. otherwise these things will be vaporized when tens of thousands of thermo nukes fly

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>>726023557
We have 800+ bases around the globe ready to mobilize an army within hours. No other country can say this. Basically if any country came after us, we'd be on their doorstep raising hell before they could do anything but launch an ICBM. Not to mention we now have multiple missile defense networks that can disable ICBMs. There is likely one over the mainland but no one knows for sure (prob top secret), but the others are publicly known as a display of power.

tl;dr
we would own anyone who comes after us. But going after them probably would be difficult, not to mention economically retarded.

>>726034804
if you look into it, aka do some brief googling, ou'll decover for yourself, that lack of guidence cpabilties for rail guns, plagued this program from the start, despite developers being optimistic into solving this "minor annoyance" they admited not long time ago, that guidence system for rail guns may be not possible to fix ever

do not take my word for it, google it

billions of your tax money - wasted

is this thread a joke? check out this short video below. these are just normal u.s. citizens. imagine the power of everyone in that country fighting for one objective. its unreal
https://youtu.be/p0_Zf7LUR_U

>>726034331
They would have even more reason to go against Russia if they were threatening them. You're just taking financial security and adding their lives on top of it.

>>726034826
putting nukes aside. that heavily populated area would take time to go through. the US can mobilize on site with divisions within a couple days.

>>726023557
>How powerful is the US army really?
We spend more then the next 8 country's do and damn it if we have to we'll SPEND MORE.

>>726030421
Russia can barely afford and institute platinum based chemo therapy for cancer. Their chemical/bio/ entire cbrn development is trash compared to the US. Granted, they definitely have these weapons but the difference is that They flaunt theirs more. We could drown them in vx and bubonic plague for decades. Massive anthrax pollution. Smallpox distribution. Gasses incomparable to sarin. Weaponized necro fasciitis. Nobody wants to have a cbrn war with the US.

>>726035160
>defense networks that can disable ICBMs.

HAHAHAHA

wait you were serious about it? let me laugh harder

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>726035350
lol the baltic states are anything but heavily populated...

>>726025940
>>726026207

Guys, in a lot of nations the word Army is used to refer to all branches of the armed forces, examples being China (PLAAF and PLAN) and Iran. It's predominantly Western doctrine in which the word Army solely implies ground based forces.

No point getting our panties in a twist over semantics.

>>726026387
^

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>>726034826
If forces in Western Europe could hold out for a few weeks while REFORGER was underway they would ultimately do pretty well.
Things would most likely grind down to a stalemate after those first few weeks until one side decides to try tactical nuclear weapons.
Once one side broke through they would also likely be hit with nukes. Especially as a counter to the Soviet Deep Battle scenario, to prevent Soviet forces from rushing to NATO supply/command lines.

In the end of it, I don't think either side would win a WW3 in Europe. Soviet have the edge in manpower but NATO has the edge in being able to dig in if needed. Soviet strategy revolved on constant movement and exploitation of weak points.

>>726023557
1v1 on an open playing field, conventional rules of war, no home advantage to either side and only enlisted military personnel taking part with no need to leave troops at home or deployed elsewhere, the US would probably win against any other army.

But that's not how wars work so its really a moot question.

>>726035471
correctness =/= semantics

>>726035174
> see it's tight there on the internet, so it has to be true.
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Tell us more on the most classified weapons no one else knows about

Leaving aside unclear war, because then everyone loses, the US armed forces are absurdly dominant, especially the Navy.

In a defensive war, i.e. the US is being invaded, they could take on the entire world and win.

In an offensive war, they could devastate pretty much any one country but invading and holding somewhere like China would be impossible.

>>726035174
Not that poster, but, uh... why would you need guided munitions for a weapon system designed primarily to engage other surface vessels and ground targets?

You do understand that current gen FCS using conventional guns almost always results in effective hits on target, right? Ships don't have the capability to rapidly change course/speed/etc.

As for ground based vehicles, most modern MBTs are able to engage other moving vehicles with high levels of accuracy at distances to over a mile.

I'm just confused what the issue is here? lacking internal guidance is irrelevant

>>726034769
>what are anti-satellite weapons?

Also, depends on your definition of "functional". NASA has shit funding but it's not like they're literally sitting around doing nothing.

>>726035809
one thing is to be sceptical or even nihilistic and other is being stubborn dumbass, that can never agree to any rebuttal, even if it sounds logical for himself

or is that your unwillingness to search for any facts could be explained be you being lazy or maybe even incapable of reading more that 5 lines of text? (tl; dr coulture)

>>726023557
The usa would take over all the countries easily,thats why nukes are a thing.

People often complain "why does the usa need guns" and americans answer "because the criminals and government has guns and we need to be on even footing"

The world has nukes cause the usa has nukes and the world needs to protect itself

>>726024813
Probably even would lose to Pakistan those guys got Nukes and are real smart also.
Russia and China totally would lose even Syria said the U.S hasnt won a war in decades, even Trump right now what the oompa loompa could do is start a war with Best Korea so all the Russian 007 thing stops popping out.
probably MadDog could take care of this situation to be a general and been nicknamed MadDog it must be you must be a really badass.

>>726035461
>the baltic states
is that how you spell Eastern Europe.
lost in translation, I guess.

>>726035412
lel we do. You really think processors are fast enough to land a rocket on a drone but not fast enough to track a missle and destroy it with either a rail gun system or lazer pulse? My uncle is a colonel and confirmed my suspicions without saying a word. I just know the right questions to ask. We do you think russia is so pissed we put it right on their doorstep?

>>726036065
he was suggesting of using rail guns as an anti-missle system

you can't shot down moving target if you can not lock onto it

>>726036248
Holy shit dude, learn how to use a comma for fuck's sake.

Also, I don't think Assad is in a position to talk shit since the SAA nearly got their shit kicked in by a bunch of teenagers with rusty AKs.

>>726036352
dude, go back to school while it's not late

and if it's too late for you, just lay off the weed


you have no idea what are you talking about here, so for yourown sake, do not speak about things you have no idea about

>I mean, if it came down to it, toe to toe, how well would they do 1v1 against any other country?

very badly, as history as shown multiple times. this is not up for debate. against even very under equipped (VC/Afghan/etc) forces repel US forces. see, most of the world has been at war for a really long time, the people are practically bred for it. meanwhile the USA has sat with 1000s of miles of protection on all sides untouched by war in 100s of years. this is were, i believe, the USA USA USA feeling of invincibility has come from. you's should be thankful war hasn't come to your lands more than anything.

>>726035651
>Soviet have the edge in manpower
Factually not true

>>726036416
...Not sure where you're getting that idea. If something is visible on radar, you have a fire control solution - if you have a vector and an altitude you can engage any target.

>>726036248
Some of his quotes
"I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you f--- with me, I'll kill you all."

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling."

Powerful as shit, they would fuck up any country 1v1.

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>>726023557
>US Army
>Powerful

>>726036618
I'm an engineer. I understand their are issues with rail guns that may have been secretly solved but their are no issues with lasers in space. Tracking has always been the issue but I'm not sure how you can think they haven't solved such an old problem with the current power of computers. It will remain top secret for decades to come.

>>726036506
Nah fuck comas, Assad has his homie Putin got his back or else he wouldnt be president anymore.
Cannot Mossad The Assad.

more normal u.s. citizens in the video below. the u.s. can basically do anything they want and even just the u.s. citizens will fuck up anyone that comes looking for trouble


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https://youtu.be/DoQTFbPbg_g

>>726024813
The U.S has more firepower than Russia or China and our navy dwarfs both Russia and China's combined. We would quickly set up naval and economical blockades and starve both countries with the ease. and on your mention of the budget as soon as congress declares a formal war and lifts the budget on how much we will spend towards war you would see U.S Military spending unlike any country ever.

>>726036841
Can I put some cash down for auto-exploding, self destructing gooks?

>>726036229
Putting aside the fact that you totally disregarded my before mentioned possibility of a laser/tracking system as even a possibility because it did not suit your anti American narrative and just sticking to rail guns...
yes, putting that misinformation aside, I do know a little about the project (RailGun tech), I also know about the concept of advancement in military technology, and how many impossible things have been made possible, thank America for most of them.
I also know not to trust half of what you read online regarding anything of this nature.
Your entire premise is finding out the precise military capabilities of the latest classified technology with a google search. Very naive.

>>726037044
CAN YOU CUNTS STOP USING THESE STRAWMAN SHITS? YOU SOUND LIKE RUSSIA AND CHINA WOULD JUST LET YOU FAT FUCKS DO THAT. HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU BURGERS ARE DUMB AS PIGSHIT. FUCK.

>>726036841
The "whole US Army" was never involved in the Vietnam War you dumb shitkicker. There were about 580,000 US personnel deployed in Vietnam at its height, out of a total strength of over 3 million. Learn some fucking history before you start posting retarded memes.

>>726036841
>Ignores the fact that the US solely engaged in defensive and counter-insurgency in South Vietnam.
>Ignores the fact that the US never once attempted to invade the North.
>Ignores the fact that despite the above, the USA didn't slaughter NV forces en-masse to the point that they begged for a peace accord (Paris)
It's almost like the US didn't even try and beat North Vietnam? Huh.

>>726023557
Would loose against strong france

>>726033035
What was the Spanish / American War ?
Learn to history.

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>>726036683
Factor in the other Warsaw Pact forces and I think it would equal more men than NATO.
I don't have precise numbers on estimates for each side, but if you do I would be interested to see them.

>>726023557
depends who strikes first i guess

>>726034000
You dont make sense every heard of if you kill yourself the enemy cant win?

>>726037536
Ah yes, I believe that's a Japanese tactic

>>726037251
>YOU SOUND LIKE RUSSIA AND CHINA WOULD JUST LET YOU FAT FUCKS DO THAT.
No one said that
How about you make a counter-argument instead of making yourself sound like an idiot
You all caps blogger
Is it not true that our navy dwarfs both Russia and China combined? Is it not true that under the right circumstances we could quickly establish naval dominance? Is it not true that both of those countries economys would be sanctioned up the ass?

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>>726037294
>>726037319
Lost to fucking
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>>726037659
If you surrender you cant loose aswell

>>726037536
>That doesn't make any sense. Haven't you heard of the phrase, "If you kill yourself, the enemy can't win"?

Of course I have. Now do everyone a favor and kill yourself.

>>726037747
But then you cant win this arguement

>>726029893
in '91, we faced the "7th mightiest army in the world" or some crap they told us before deploying. really tried to get us ready for some crazy shit. we get there, and it was garbage, we wpied the floor with them, and we could have had baghdad too, but we were denied. We have the most bad ass military this planet has known. So many have commented already, but no. no other nation can hold our jock, much less put up a fight

>>726023557
In total war where civilians are a non-issue America would absolutely decimate any country on earth.

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>>726037719
>Sees the US lost Vietnam War
>Assumes anyone can beat the US
>being this retarded

>>726037873
Ha i im from the moon

>>726037719
>Can't refute any points made
>Post wiki screen cap
Good job man.

How about you post the casualty numbers lol

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>>726037890
>Implying I assumed such a thing

>>726037890
most likely he's from a country that is afforded US military protection and doesnt even know it.
Wonders why any country really need a military.

>>726023557
The us military controls all the waters soo

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>>726038056
Victory>>>Casualties

>>726037719
Guerrilla war in the jungle =/= conventional war on Eurasian plains. Lrn2geography faggot

>>726038258
Yeah like that Russian Spy Ship that is right now in U.S waters gathering intel ?

>>726037719
If you think the North Vietnamese actually defeated the US/ Australian militaries in battle you are entirely mistaken.
What North Vietnam won was the war against the South AFTER the Americans withdrew. The North signed the Paris Peace Accords which ended the war, the Americans left since the war was done. Two years after that, the North invaded the South.
Notice how the words "American defeat" are not mentioned there, because the Americans were no longer there when the war restarted.

>>726037673
not that sperg, but...
>Is it not true that our navy dwarfs both Russia and China combined?
true.
>Is it not true that under the right circumstances we could quickly establish naval dominance?
no, not true at all. why you ask? simples, their defense system are equal to ours. i will repeat that, their defensive system are equal to ours. so we will run out of ships long long long before they run out of defensive capabilities. if you want to then argue the blockade would cover international waters then that's a declaration of war, and they have nukes....
>Is it not true that both of those countries economys would be sanctioned up the ass?
trying to sanction giant GLOBAL economies like russian and chinese has never worked. why would it ever work? it's a sabre rattling exercise only when mention russia or china.

>>726038413
You Ruskies are so delusional
I guess that's what happens when you have state run media though
"We da best and U.S piggs shiieet we luv Putin ALL CAPS TO SHOW HOW SERIOS I AM" - RT

>>726038407
>Goes to Vietnam to kill Commies and prepare for war with the Russians
>Ignoring the only metric the US cared about
I'm sure the US cared so much over the loss of their staunch Vietnamese ally.

>>726038413
>gather intel. lololololololololol.
just like this fag >>726035174
gathers intel, huh.. so the ship patched into our free wi-fi and is pulling up THE SUN website as we speak.

Best Navy: US, most carriers, submarines, etc.

Best air force: US, best planes.

Best all around: US, Marines.

Best intel: US, satellites, etc.

Best world wide presence: US, most bases world wide.

China recently celebrated their first carrier. You know what's their launch method? A slanted ramp.

US had better carriers in 1940. 'nough said.

>>726038413
You're referring to the Viktor Leonov? It's been spotted a few times near the US coast, but still in international waters. Are you aware of it crossing the 12-mile boundary?

>>726037870
Iraq did have substantial numbers in 1991 but they were really fucked up from their war with Iran. Aside from the Republican Guard units, they just did not put up much of a fight. Many of them were conscripts or even Iranian prisoners forced into the Iraqi Army and they surrendered the first chance they got.
It's still very impressive though. American projections were far worse and the speed with which the Iraqi Army was defeated and pushed back is astounding no matter how you look at it. The Coalition could have pushed onto Baghdad but for whatever reason stopped at the Iraqi border.

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Jesus...nobody talking about muslims have already own EVERYBODY in Europe...Another ten years and they will be killing everybody and who the Russians will be able to nuke?

>>726038809
China's navy couldn't sail there way out of a wet paper bag

>>726038809
wasnt it a reserviced old Russian carrier too?

>>726038977
Ukrainian

>>726037433
>Warsaw Pact

What is it? 1990??

anyone who fucks with the u.s. will get their shit country blockaded on all sides by the many ships in this video. take a look and tell me who owns both the water and sky. the entire world combined can not touch the u.s.

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https://youtu.be/T9sDxvsbsnA

>>726038938
almost at the point it'd be better in the liberal Eurocucks died off anyways.

>>726023557
The US military could single handedly beat the fuck out of every country in the world at the same time.

>>726039107
Almost? Pretty sure we've already passed that point. Looks to me that the Muslims are already forcibly mixing genes up these.

>>726038977
China's carrier was originally Soviet, never completed, sold to the Ukraine where it sat for a decade, then the Chinese bought it.
But to be fair the Chinese rebuilt pretty much the whole inside to learn how it worked and are using it as the basis for their own future carriers.

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>>726039090
>the entire world combined can not touch the u.s.

>>726039090
nigger a bunch of gooks in black pjs reached out and pushed your shit in. settle down.

>>726039218
>muh guns
No. If the US picked a fight with everyone, then the whole world would just focus down one targets. We'd survive maybe a couple years; but then we'd collapse either from external force or internal force. Libtards would take the chance to 'join up with the winning side' or 'join up with what's right'.

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America hate bread? American Hate bread.

>>726039026
Chinese garage sale military.
This is what happens when you steal your way through life. Either as an individual or as a country. it eventually catches up to you.
There is no comparison between the USA and any other country in terms of ability for creation and innovation. We've been doing it for the world for the last 150 years easy. These are skills that a country acquires only through doing the hard work, not stealing it.

>>726037433
>Warsaw pact

You do know that Poland, czech, Hungary, bulgaria & romania are in NATO right?

>>726039041
If you're using the term "Soviet" when talking about a hypothetical WW , it's assumed to be talking about sometime between 1945-1990.
The modern Russian Federation's military is not capable of taking as much ground as the Soviet military would have been able to.

>>726038600
>no, not true at all. why you ask? simples, their defense system are equal to ours. i will repeat that, their defensive system are equal to ours. so we will run out of ships long long long before they run out of defensive capabilities. if you want to then argue the blockade would cover international waters then that's a declaration of war, and they have nukes....
I did say under the right circumstances. Of course we wouldn't just sail our entire navy off the coast of these countries for target practice. and the likely biggest loss we would receive would be fighter jets trying to take out defensive systems. But it's all hypothetical there are many ways you could go about such wars with these countries. on the note of nuclear war the U.S and Russia have pretty much the same amount of nuclear war heads and i would still give the U.S the edge on nuclear war just because our navy dwarfs Russia's and would allow us several different ways of delivery for a nuke.

>>726039041
Maybe he plays Wargame: Red Dragon and made a Freudian Slip

In case anyone is thinking of enlisting, here is the hierarchy of the US armed forces, from top-tier to shit-tier:
1. Air Force
2. Navy
3. Coast Guard
4. Army
5. Marines

>>726037724
Actually, when you surrender, you lose automatically.

>>726039425
Seems like you're just homophobic?

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>>726039447
>>726039521
You are aware the term Soviet is not applicable to today's world? Modern Russia and the USSR are two very different nations from two very different times.

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The USA military excels at destroying other conventional militaries. We had trouble in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. because politicians only send in a few thousand troops and then make our troops stand around waiting to be shot at.

American politicians are the only thing that can make the USA lose a war. Our military is 2nd to none.

We have by far the largest and most modern navy
We have by far the largest and most modern air force
We have by far the most modern army, although not the largest
We have absolute control of space and the most powerful rockets in the world capable of delivering the most payload to space the quickest and most often

>>726023557
Im from the UK, If a US carrier group turned up we could defeat it, 100 typhoons with asm, ssn subs and the inadequate surface navy. A new cbg would arrive a few days later and we would have nothing left. Were fucked

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>>726039107
Every city in Europe are surrounded by muslim with armaments hidden everywhere and all like Daesh/Isis on suicide taking over...Turkey already ruling Germany...France is taken over, even London is ruled by a Caliph...Zeropa's fate coming soon...

>>726039544
Marines>Navy>Coast Guard>Air Force>Dog Shit>>>>>Army
ftfy fam

>>726039544

care to give some reasons as to why,
I've heard the debate before, but not in your order.

>>726039793
Poolee detected. Wait till you're 2 years in and ready to kill yourself.

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>>726023557

They can annihilate the world 20 times.

Military fag here and I've seen and trained with other countries troops... Can say most of Europe is doomed Japan might put up a fight Korea both north and south pushoverss south Korea would never betray us no one invades Russia's and you can kill 10 billion Chinese

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>>726039734
No other nation in the world operates strategic long range heavy bombers except Russia. And Russia doesn't have nearly as many as we do. And most of the ones they still have are propeller driven...

>INB4 Tu-160 Blackjack
There are 28 of them in operation and they have a lower payload ability than the B1-B. And the USA built 100 B1-B's, although several have crashed. USA also has the B-2 stealth and tons of B-52s which are way better than the propeller driven bear.

Nobody has near the bomber capabilities of the USA.

>>726039425
Don't be mad just because either of those guys could kick your ass, and they have the freedom to do what they want. Separation of church and state faggot, look it up.

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>>726039753
>implying UK even has 100 operational typhoons, much less the pilots, munitions and logistics to carry out such an attack

>>726023557
The real test of a military is how far it has to travel to fight, and how it gets the resources there

>>726039929
My list is based on employment opportunities after you get out + quality of life while you're in. If you're going to make a career out of it, I'd say Navy or Marines.

>>726040144
China has the H-6K which is from the 1950's. Iraq retired them in 1991 and Egypt retired them in 2000.

Sand niggers thought they were obsolete 20 years ago...

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>>726040249
And the USA has 800+ installations strategically placed across the globe. We can mobilize an army in hours, while the next most powerful countries would take 7+ days at least.

>>726040115

>south Korea would never betray us

You never know when gooks backstab you like what they did to US ambassador last times.

>>726038826
It was in maryland I believe, Trump said it not even fake news.
But Putin is pretty awesome so it doesnt matter.

>>726039425
damn that is so fucking gay and hilarious at the same time.

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>>726023557

>>726023557
We kept the fucking blackbird secret for decades, had that shit up our sleeves forever, we got shit you ain't ever seen before. Rest of the world can eat it's heart out, we could end it all in a heartbeat.

>>726040941
Already been posted
Lurk moar

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What's the point...look at the Russia...it is surrounded too with muslims and will collapse in a hurry...Japan only what 70,000 muslims and look like ruling out there...UNBELIEVABLE! Leave unly China and USA(South America is owned by the sand nigger as we speak, lafe the northern Mexico and their druggies)...Will Trump survive murder? What the point ot these military?...muslims are taking over USA too! And even Trump cannot stop them!

>>726040941
0/10

Vietnam had the backing of China and Russia. There were migs with Russian pilots in them and Soviet missile installations all over the place.

And the American politicians didn't send in nearly enough troops and then didn't support them once they were there. We were stabbed in the back by our own politicians.

Although the wart never should have happened in the first place. It was started over a lie.

>>726039485
>the likely biggest loss we would receive would be fighter jets trying to take out defensive systems.
chinese, and especially russian, air defense systems are extremely effective. extremely. we right them off because we think they are backward people with no money and no technology like us. but the the truth is we'd be sending our pilots on suicide runs... plus breaching either countries airspace (to uphold a blockade) is an act of aggression which would trigger a full scale response. these days you can only blockade countries that have no means to fight back/don't want to escalate it into a full out war. and attempting it against china (even south seas etc) or russia would be impossible for any military. the US navy, as with all navys to be fair, is a relic of war of days of old. the tip of the spear remains the subs, everything else from the carries, cruisers, support ships etc, is basically target practice. we may dwarf them, but when their at the bottom of the ocean they'll be just very expensive playgrounds for divers. war these days isn't about who has the most toys, it is about the willingness to use the toys. china and russia would zero hesitations in launching on us, we may nuke them too, but both sides would be devastated. so as clichéd as it is... there would be no winner.

>>726041175
>Will Trump survive murder?
kek! Fucking what?
I didn't know it was possible to survive murder.

>>726040941
See: >>726038589

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>>726041451
Haven't you learned what happens when you underestimate Trump?

the video below shows what would happen if the u.s. and the european union went to war. keep in mind this is 28 countries vs. 1 country. this should put this thread to bed.


https://youtu.be/C6L_a4Cy6kI

>>726040999
>blackbird secret for decades
lol no. stay in school.

>>726040999
Edgy but true, everyone knows how inflated the US military is.

>>726023557
Look at all these retards trying to claim the US would lose in a 1v1 to Russia or China kek

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=united-states-of-america

>>726032458
That is true
But, and its a big butt
The US is the only country in the world that has a degrade date on munition
And this in turn inflates their cost 10 fold because they have to clear a 3 year cycle on bullets and bombs that has passed their use by date.
Basically they are cucked by weapon multinationals

>>726024813
This guys right. We're at aboy 2/3rd strength equiptmemt wise and a decent percentage of our poppopulation destroys their own neighborhood for any given reason.
If you ever wantes to try it against us now is the time.
But you'd still lose, we can't finish terrorist groups in countries we've already knocked back to the stone age 3 times then no one's going to be able to finished as a country on our home turf.

>>726041807
Don't be an idiot, it flew for decades before it was revealed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird

>>726023557
Any country that believes it can match the unsurpassed display of power and brutality of the U.S. is foolish. Brutality isn't even a negative word in regards to the U.S. because the sheer force it wields is unprecedented and it proves time over time even with restrained and controlled aggression nothing can withstand it. All they can do is throw themselves into death against it and complain they are so far outmatched they deserve sympathy for choosing to be slaughtered.

>>726041305
>there would be no winner.
Well i agree with you on this
Do you think a conventional war between two modern super powers could be fought without the use of nukes?

>>726040238
Never been used, dust them down . We have the munitions for one cbg.

>>726025742
>>726025940
>>726026207
>>726026316
>>726026679
>>726027032
>>726027461


>Being this autistic over selection of words

>>726042294
it was reveled in 1964...it wasnt flying in 1944. stay in school.

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>>726041564
Video totally ignores the fact that Europe has no strategic bombers at all. And Europe's aircraft carriers aren't on the same level of USA carriers at all. Not even close.

USA can bomb Europe from American soil, and project air superiority over Europe from the sea.

>>726028597
Fingers crossed.

>>726042537
>posts graphic that is almost a decade behind

>>726023557
I serve in the US Navy currently. I hate my job, and I hate all the bullshit I go through every day, but it's an absurd notion to think that any other nation could possible stand toe to toe with us. Out military is league above any other nation in almost all aspects. Some nations have special forces that are pretty badass, like the Russian Spetznas, among a few others, but the bottom line is, those special forces are trained and built for hand-hand, or close quarters combat. We can literally bomb that entire nation, before said nation even knew they were being bomed. Our tomahawk missiles, and even Harpoon missiles, have affective ranges of over 100 miles. We can drop bombs from the far Sea, and be almost danger-free. And our Sonar/Radar capabilities, make Russia and China look 3rd-world.

>>726042292
>we can't finish terrorist groups in countries we've already knocked back to the stone age 3 times

Because politicians force ridiculous rules of engagement on our troops, like not being able to fire unless fired upon. They make our troops stand around waiting to get sniped and don't even let us go after IED factories.

If we didn't have both our hands tied behind our back we could genocide all of Iraq and Afghanistan in a matter of weeks if we wanted to.

ITT : thinking about military power over intelligence power... Welcome in the 21st century.

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WHAT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS!!!
(What the use of the Navy, the Air Force and the Army?)
THE SAND NIGGERS ARE TAKING OVER...THEY ALREADY RULING IN EUROPE AFRICA AND SOUTH AMERICA

Then it will be Russiab then USA after they kill Trump...Looie Farrakhan the next Caliph...

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Pretty sure that's a fucking Coast Guard aeroplane sonny

>>726023557

It's #1 in every way, Russia isn't a power anymore except for nuclear weapons, China has numbers going for it, and no else is anywhere near the top 3.

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>>726042998
And fucking pacifist liberal pussies still refuse to stand up to them

Look, a thread full of faggots who think they know what they are talking about.

With 72 hours of preparation, the US can take down any country in the world 24 hours after that.

As for the wars that we "lost", notice that the US was always gimped in some way, be it ROE, limited manpower allocations, fucking politicians, etc. We are great at winning wars, but currently suck at the clean-up.

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>>726043113
Yeah, my sister can whoop you sonny

>>726043090
you're a fucking idiot if you think that image has anything to do with "liberals".

>>726043158
> great at winning wars
> winning wars
> winning...

>>726023557
They would crush any country easily. People often look at sheer numbers, but the training and tech of the U.S. military is far superior.

Of course, that would never happen because the U.S. government needs bogeymen. Instilling fear in U.S. citizens is far more valuable than, say, destroying Islam in two weeks.

>>726023557
A few members of the US army have destroyed my asshole dressed for duty

>>726032340
England was lost. They only stayed in the fight due to supply runs from the USA. We only need it as a staging point for D-day. Your General Mcidiot was a God damned market garden moron. He delayed the winning of the war. Russia would have eventually lost without guass what supplies from the USA. They just threw tons of meat into German bullets. They did have the best tank at the very end.

>>726043952
Not bad

>>726033255
Spanish American war. Desemated Spain in 3 days. Lost 1 soldier due to sun stroke

No matter how much i suck Putins dick, i have to admit that US is the strongest power in the world

Us spends 600 billion annually, next closest is China at like 160 b. Usa has like 18 Aircraft carriers, the next closest country has like 2. People are ignorant af

>>726042667
The 3 carriers we had have been scrapped, We are not buying enough aircraft for the Queen Elizabeth. 48 F-35's for two carriers. Thank god for the US marines.

Usa has more aircraft carriers than all the countries combined in the world

>>726036841
We won that war. Hochimen said he was about to capitulate until he heard the traitorous libersl in the news. We bombed the shit out of his capitols

>>726044299
>18 Aircraft carriers
more like 10, not counting amphib assault ships

do people really think russia would stand a chance? this video compares the military of each country. u.s. dominates on all fronts and china would get destroyed even quicker

.


https://youtu.be/i6gBnizjTM4

>>726044494
with the F35 and QE class carrier programs being such cluster fucks, that's not too bad really.

>>726033255
*Cough* Desert Storm *Cough*
*Cough* Korean War *Cough*
*Cough* Grenada and Panama invasions *Cough*
*Cough* Iraq invasion 2003 *Cough*

Now before you start screaming about how "We didn't win Irak in 03" like an autistic faggot you should remember that we took the entire country with minimal casualties, we just failed at rebuilding it.

>>726038589
Democrats didn't honor the treaty to replace any military equipment gun for gun ect. As soon as they stopped the North won.

>>726044299
See
>>726042248

>>726045106
What you're saying is...
We're good at invading weak pointless countries and comitting war crimes.
And running away when they still Don't give in.

>>726023557
go attack them by yourself and see how that works out dumbass...

video showing u.s. military vs. china military. no contest

.

https://youtu.be/ubNRaDv7qxg

>>726045920
Don't forget 'under FALSE pretense' also
Aka 'Lying'

>>726042324
no sir. why expend an immense amount of logistics to move troops, equipment, supplies etc when you can literally turn a key and launch nuclear weapons that the enemy have very, very little chance of defending against. having nuclear capabilities tends to remove a lot of options off the table. remember, nukes fired from china or russia go sub orbitally over the north pole, they are hitting their targets on US soil in roughly 20 minutes. the only benefit to a nuclear war is that it is started and ended very very quickly. and even though we, the russians and chinese can detect these launches the chance of any of side defending against them is realistically zero. so, with knowing that it is amazing how we are spending insane amounts of money on stuff that is actually only going to be used to affect change for American business interests (i know that sounds tinfoil hat etc). we, and others of course, can not fight an enemy with real nuclear capabilities. the stakes are always too high.

fight Russia
Turn off GPS
Russian weapons no longer work
win

>>726042292
>We're at aboy 2/3rd strength equiptmemt wise

How is the US military at such low strength even for spending so much fucking money already?

>>726046333
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS

>>726042747
In your personal opinion, do you think that the US military needs to be rebuilt like Trump has implied?

>>726042324
good question.
lots of variables, but yes IF.. they are fighting over "other" lands like the Falklands, and not invading each others home country with ground troops like in WWII.
trying to imagine a superpower government giving up all its power is just unthinkable today.

People seeing Russia are insane.
USA has been investing like 30% of all tax dollars in defense for 30+ years
US has been 2x or more the population of Russia for that time
US has much higher gsp per capita for that entire time
The math is simple, Russia just hasn't been spending anywhere near the money on defense US has, plus the infrastructure has been crumbling since '89

US and Russia should just gangbang NK and then be friends

>>726046877
>t.burger
10 russian football hooligans would wipe out a platoon of marines. cyka blyat!

>>726047410
Russian winters won't save you again.

>>726046333
Glonass

>>726047631
it's winter all year long here god damn you!

>>726048055
>Glonass
oh hell i didnt know.
I guess our orbital drone will have to deactivate them one by one.

>>726048125
It's really not. I was surprised how hot it gets in Northern Siberia.

>>726046877
How would you know that ? Russians havent mentioned the Holocaust of 60 million Russians killed, they dont like to brag about shit same as China.
Remember the chinks have the same technology as the U.S from that bin laden raid that they took the choppa ?
people forget really easy.

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>>726044102
best tank only because the US didnt go for "best" tank strategy. It early on realized making thousands of them quickly was the best plan.
Germany and Russia both were always like that. --biggest, strongest, etc..other than propaganda, it hurt more than helped them both.

Even a german diesel sub was able to "sink" an US carrier...

A fucking diesel sub.

>>726048505
Are you talking about the German u-boat that was ahead of its time?

>>726048505
Diesel subs aren't the worst in the world. They are better at stealth than nuclear subs, at a cost of range/endurance, torpedo capacity, and crew space. Both Brazilian and Swedish subs have "sunk" US carriers in exercises.

>>726048301
How would I know what? I have no idea what you're disputing.

>>726048596
https://josh-rosenroth.newsvine.com/_news/2013/01/07/16388290-new-german-u-boot-class-212-a-to-challenge-us-carrier-in-exercise-near-azores

>>726048505
WTF are you talking about? WWII carriers have nothing in common with modern carriers except that they float on water and carry airplanes.

>>726048761
I am talking about the USS Enterprise 2001...

>>726048314
Russia is still like that today. They would rather build one example of the biggest cargo plane in the world while we have hundreds of C-17s and C-5 galaxies.

>>726046877
>the infrastructure has been crumbling
USA infrastructure has gone to shit since 2001

>>726023557
The US has the strongest military in the world, because we have a 700 billion dollar budget, and our military is structured to project force across the planet. Other countries spend less and structure their militaries more defensively I.E. They'd struggle a lot more to invade anything not touching their borders than the US would invading something on the other side of the planet. We are the world police, and they live in fortified houses. Sure we'd struggle to get inside, but we're prepared to spend enough money to end world hunger 70x over every year to do so.

That being said we live in a time with nuclear weapons and we're constantly fighting our own beaurocracy. At this point, the best army only really matters for grabbing bits of the third world, because attacking any major power means getting support, fighting through fortifications, and blocking the nuclear strike a dying nation may launch as they collapse.

>>726046333
GLONASS, dumbass

>>726048984
The investment hasn't been what it should be but it's nothing compared to Russias.

>>726024813

If this is what you actually believe you're not going to get anywhere bringing this caliber of autism to the table.

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>>726046295
>tinfoil hat
foil is aluminum now, Grandpa

>>726045106
>we fucked up the entire country
...brought 'em Freedumbs and Demockery!
'Murika!!

>>726023557
One on one, America would obliterate any other country in a conventional war. There's simply no comparison -- technology, spending, infrastructure -- where any other country comes close. And that's not even counting nukes. The real question would really be "Could the human race survive a war where the US went all in against another nuclear power?" Probably not. That's how overpowered we are.

>>726048729
That both countries are kept to themselves on technology, unlike the U.S.A.
even in fucking video games.
now you can go to an electronic store buy a small recording cam to spy on your hot roommate for 50 bucks not a pervert but it is possible. Trust me.

Russia would kick U.S.'s ass easily. U.S. has no answer at all for Russian S400's.
Russia would dominate the u.s. air force, its anti air defense is impenetrable

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USA has demonstrated so much crazy shit that other nations can only dream of. Here is a picture of an air launched ICBM. It was dropped out the back of a C-5 galaxy in 1974.

We've accomplished and forgotten more than most other countries have even dreamed of when it comes to military power.

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Logistics are key for a huge military. Russia and China simply don't have that capability yet. The US has perfected it from decades of experience and massive amounts of money. In a conventional war no one stands a chance. Not just because of their technology and the realistic training they go through and real world experience, but the US has a logistics network set up that is mind blowing and they maintain a navy that can control every sea space in the world to keep that advantage.

>>726049659
LUL

I playtested this in a game called Command: Modern Air Naval Operations

2 B-2s with 12 JASSMs each coming from different angles wrecks the S-400

The other SAM sites around the S-400 didn't even see the missles,

GG, Russia

>>726049659
Bullshit
That's what drones are for. Use drones to go on suicide missions as the first wave and take out anti-air defenses.

Plus air launched weapons always out range ground weapons. Air launched weapons get to choose the time of engagement, start out at 30,000+ feet, and are already traveling at hundreds of mph at the time of their launch.

Ground based missiles start from zero mph, start from the ground, and never know when they will need to be launched.

Aircraft have the advantage when going up against ground defenses.

>>726049953
wow you beat Russia in a video game. Congrats. That has meaningful correlations to real life. lulz

>>726050014

All wrong. S400's destroy anything including drones, and cruise missiles. They are staggered in a layered defense that's impenetrable

>>726039734

The US military dominated engagements in all those wars and in Iraq and Afghanistan they acheived all of their objectives (removing hostile governments/militaries and installing democratic regimes). The military performed amazingly effecient. Politics and politicians created the ensuing mess. You can't occupy another country without expecting an insurgency.

>>726025947
>>726023557

>OP Responding to OP
> /thread
> Anything after is taking the bait.

>>726049703

Meanwhile Russia invented the ICBM...and the laser....and Stealth.....and almost everything else

>>726050195
>impenetrable
OK fanboi

>>726048671
>exercises
sounds like operation "Brazilian propaganda" worked on some

>>726028597
Does the phrase mutually assured destruction mean anything to you?

>>726050250
Even if they did have the first ICBM that is irrelevant now
Lasers still aren't a feasible military weapon in 2017 so that means jack fucking shit
And Russia still hasn't deployed a fully operational stealth plane. Yes, their mathematicians came up with the equations that made stealth possible, and we took them and made actual weapons with them. Russians only invented stealth on paper.

Try again

>>726042248
>Only US weapons have "use by dates"
>because russia doesn't care if their bullets degrade, they are immune to the passage of time

If it really came down to it, the US might allow every 100th bullet to not fire correctly. But for now, when we can afford to, we'll go ahead and make sure we have the best shit money can buy.

>>726050100
Yeah, a "game" that is currently being used by both the Department of Defense as a simulator.

http://www.epsomguardian.co.uk/news/14746038.From_Epsom_to_the_Pentagon__Surrey_game_makers_brief_US_military_chiefs_in_Virginia/

>>726042248
>Other countries let their troops use outdated and faulty munitions

It's not a bug, it's a feature!

Russia proved its military superiority to the u.s. in the syrian conflict. U.S. spent years fighting ISIS and ISIS expanded. Russia walloped ISIS for a few months and instantly crushed its capacity by like 70%.

It's simple science, Russia's armed forces are more elite, more efficient at actual combat than U.S.'s bloated and aging airforce

>>726049953
Wow you did all this by yourself ? you are so awesome !!! xD you get to stay up late tonight and drink soda at night thank you for your video game service.
>>726050100
I did once in battlefield 4 felt really proud that day it was China I believe you can call me General if you wish

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>>726042248

We put a lot of money and effort into keeping reserve stocks. We have more Abrams mothballed in reserve than all of europe (aside form russia) has in service.

>>726050718
No, American politicians just force our military to fight with both hands tied behind their back.

>>726050250
>Meanwhile Russia invented Stealth.

invents being sneaky

The roles have reversed, the u.s. is now the new dying corrupt soviet union. Here's a CNN article showing 2/3 two thirds of u.s. navy f16's can't fly. Ha ha. U.S. armed forces are in pathetic shape. They would stand no chance against resurgent Russian superpower

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/us-navy-planes-grounded/

>>726050764

Russia has more mothballed tanks in Reserve than All of NATO including the U.S. has tanks TOTAL.

The new Russian Armata tank is superior to anything in the world and will be the #1 tank until 2030 which is when the U.S. new MBT is due to come out. The Abrams is a joke that can't even defeat a T90 let alone an Armata

>>726050584
High Five for you war video game heroe.

>>726050838
>u.s. navy f16
>navy
>F-16

confirmed retard
The F-16 is only used as an aggressor trainer by the Navy. Navy pilots fly against it as a mock enemy.

>>726050519
>Lasers still aren't a feasible military weapon in 2017
Care to put your level 7 security clearance reputation on that, kiddo?

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>>726049659

>muh sams

we have thousands of drones built specifically to overwhelm any air defense system, including s-400. even if the s-400 is a great system, if its firing all of its weapons at drones that they think are f-18s its going to be useless pretty quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0acJ3xyhaJo

our SAM suppression abilities are mind blowing.

>>726051036
Russia has T-34s still mothballed
y

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>>726051036

>>726050519

Russia invented stealth and its Pak-fa 5th generation stealth plane is superior to the F22

>>726051036
actually the tanks are there already, they are just saying till 2030 wich is another thing.
saw a documentary on it seems like a badass stealth tank.

>>726051197
S400 would shoot those down easily

>>726050584
Well, Guess I should start saluting you.
So, when will you debrief the president on what to do next in Syria?

>>726051256

Wrong no it's not, not even close. The only advanced tank in the world that's "already here" is the Armata, which is decades ahead of obsolete NATO junk like the Abrams and Leopard a2

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>>726049659


haha the russians must be starting to wake up. theyre gonna be real pissed considering theyre gettin owned up

>>726051304
tomorrow, actually.

What would you like me to say?

It's funny how ameritards can blather all they want in this thread about 900 bases this, and big budget that, yet the very simple irrefutable fact is this:

the "mighty" u.s. military couldn't do fuck-all against ISIS in 2-3 years.

Russian military in a matter of months decimated ISIS and almost wiped them out entirely.

The facts speak for themselves and the whoel world knows it which is why Russia commands the middle east now and U.S. has no respect there and got pushed out...and which is why Putin is ranked #1 by forbes most powerful person in the world.

>>726051220
>Pak-fa
8 flyable prototypes built in 2017

>F-22
Prototypes flying in 1992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faB5bIdksi8

Congratulations, Russia has 8 planes that are at the same stage of development that the F-22 was 25 years ago...

By the way u know it's possible to detect stealth aircrafts by just using mobile telephone signals? Not realy stealthy if u're not going against 3. world country...

>>726051374
Tell him that North Korea is about to get bombed.
and is been spyed by drones.

>>726051492
>the "mighty" u.s. military couldn't do fuck-all against ISIS in 2-3 years

US politicians and a nigger muslim president wouldn't let us destroy ISIS.

>>726050195
Wild Weasels bro.

USAF doesn't just accept losses without reason.

Russia would have their whole country pounded from all sides, all their borders being stress tested at the same time, no time to rearm.

If they have inpenetrable defenses starting out, they will be worn down and destroyed within 2 weeks, and from then on, US forces would be driving across the country sacking towns and bases as fast as they could air drop new troops in to hold them.

They cannot access mainland america, to say otherwise is to reveal obvious gaps in knowledge. Russia would immediately be on the defensive, and would remain on the defensive until they surrendered. That isn't factoring in any other countries.

The US isn't going to do anything that is going to dissuade any of their major allies, which happen to also be other massive spenders on defense. The war might last a year, but russia would lose, even for the simple fact that they cannot win, and it would simply be a matter of time before they all either starved or lost the will to continue being killed.