>Nobody knew health care could be so complicated This guys

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>>725610136
He trying to fix the disastrous obamacare.

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>>725610136
The only
>fucking retarded fucking kek
is OP

>>725610284
i'm not interested in that, dude. I don't fucking care about murica, just the sentence NOBODY KNEW that health care could be complicated is fucking hilarious

>>725610284
> Program provides coverage for over 14 million people who didn't have coverage before

> Program makes insurance affordable for those with lower income

> Program makes companies insure people with preexisting conditions and makes sure insurance covers necessary procedures.

Yeah seems pretty disastrous

>>725610284
Why? Don't you think it's just fair to make your monthly premium dependent on your income?

In other words, why shouldn't the rich pay more than the poor?

>Nobody knew health care could be so complicated
Literally anyone knows that

>>725610452
/thread

>>725610446
So jokes are complicated?

>>725610460
Seems fair to me. But Trump paid pittance in tax so don't expect any changes there. Tax avoiding scum.

>>725610284
The only disastrous part is the lack of a government option

>>725610284
>1800 buckaroos
glad I'm a neet with no bills

>>725610284
If Obama could get the plan he wanted without republicans in congress interfering then it wouild have been perfect. The reason costs went up are the republicans,

>>725610136

Main thing that's lulzy is that if the plan was actually signed into law (it won't be), the people getting the worst of it would be old folks... who were a major part of his constituency.

It's sort of the reverse of Brexit- old people were a major part of that constituency, they'll never suffer any ill effects of separating from the EU. Old people in the US would suffer the ill effects within a few years.

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its the biggest troll in history

youd have to be retarded not to see this

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>>725610136
>>Nobody knew health care could be so complicated
That's only half the story.

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>>725610460
>why shouldn't the rich pay more than the poor?
Just look at the America poor, you will know why.

>>725610610
Well costs were going to go up regardless. But costs would have been lower for lower income people

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>>725610543
I'm not following that, are you implying that he was joking?

>>725610284

Obamacare was compromised from the start by Republicans, so it ended up being basically a more subsidized version of Romneycare. Which is what they want to replace Obamacare with.

>>725610666
Do you know anyone one welfare? Cause I sure do and they are white men. The largest portion of people on welfare are white single men in their 20s.

Guys, that's not the point here. Trump just said hat NOBODY KNEW that health care could be complicated, and that one of the most retarded statements that I ever heard

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>>725610284
>disastrous obamacare.
not sure if trolling or retarded

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>>725610666
>Just look at the America poor,
Satan, you could at least use cherry-picked real photos instead of relying on an entirely fictional drawing.

>>725610452
I was hired only part time because of the ACA. So was everyone else at my last place of employment.

>>725610815
The point is that Trump is a narcissistic idiot who believes he is way smarter than he is. He refuses to listen to anyone who knows what they are talking about because he thinks he the smartest person in any room

>>725610136
To be fair trump is a idiot and all his supporters are idiots too.

>>725610896
So because it effects you in a negative way it is therefore disastrous? It helped many more people than it hurt. And if the original idea of fining companies like Walmart that skirt the law was put into place that wouldn't have happened. But that was killed by Republicans.

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>>725610843
BTW: In case you didn't realize it, that's Gary Indiana, the town Trump promised to save back in the 90's.
Take a good look, this is America's likely future under your "god-emperor"

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>>725610773
>The largest portion of people on welfare are white single men in their 20s.
Is it because of affirmative action policies?

>>725611086
No it's because that's just how welfare works. It goes to those who need it. And there are more poor white people in this country than any other race

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It's complicated enough to be over the head of a random dipshit on 4chan. Unless you know what you're talking about (you don't), shut the fuck up.

>>725611086
that weed plant on the deck gets me every time lol.

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>>725611169
You are so wrong.

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>>725611034
what is this? bernie has an idea you say? i'd love to hear it.
Whats that bern?
Free collage, free health care well thats great how is it free?
Oh other people have to pay billions so these people can get free stuff?
WELL ITS NOT FUCKING FREE.

PS. Bernie Sanders is an attention whore and does anything to get his name out there.

>>725611031
>if
Kek ok.

And I was just adding an example of why it didn't work/is not working.

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>>725610896
>I was hired only part time because of the ACA.
You only got part time because full time employees are supposed to be paid enough to feed, house, AND insure themselves (mostly so they won't be a financial burden on the rest of society).
Your ((((employer)))) is the problem, not the ACA.

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>>725611253
why do negroes get tattoos? It's super hard to read them.

>>725611279
Source that shit.

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>>725611356

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>>725611323
They look like a very happy couple. Good for them.

Trump 2020

>>725611279
Doesn't include Medicaid so it's meaningless.

>>725611308
muh "no refunds"
Christ, you fags are retarded.

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>>725611524
>Trump 2020
TOP KEK

>>725611308
>autism

>>725611312
If the business I worked for hired full time instead they wouldn't be able to stay afloat. The proportion of part time jobs increased greatly after the ACA.

You commies don't quit whining all the time do you? The world isn't all peace, love, free, and gender fluid. There's no such thing as free stuff cause everything that's worth having must be worked for. The socialist free health care plan failed and us capitalists are trying to clean up the messes now.

>>725611864
this is your point then, I guess you won the argument sir.

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>>725610136
Nobody knew presidenting could be so complicated.

>>725611952
why do you have so many pics of a black man fucking a ginger?

>>725610666
Not every poor person is like that, you dumb son of a bitch

>>725611086
Look at these crackers always blaming other people for their economic problems. smh

>>725611841
dude, you are running away from the point dude, his stament was dumb as fuck,thats it.

>>725611308
Nobody is suggesting it's free you retard, it's free to attend/use, but will be funded through taxes etc

It's quite fascinating actually, that a huge country with so many resources and such a big economy manages to fuck it up so badly.

>>725611997
He's a butthurt Trumplet that always spams these threads with his favorite folder.

>>725611841
The ACA was hardly socialist, it was right wing healthcare. Americans have no clue what socialism actually means. Hows that right wing education working out for you?

>>725611308
The best college in europe are free dude.

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>>725611841
Sadly the US does not and has not had a "socialist free healthcare plan". Republican politicians always block it because they are paid off by the big health insurance corporations.
see >>725610839

>>725611841
You don't know the meaning of "socialism".

>>725612211
dude, the best student's of american aren't americans.

>>725612211
>Hows that right wing education working out for you?

For the capitalists - just as planned.

>>725612127
Maybe if the rich elites decided to fucking pay their taxes and stop avoiding it like Trump they could afford free healthcare.

>>725612173
you know that you aren't disturbing at all, right?

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>>725610284
Sliding 101

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>>725612424
he's a bot

>>725612300
It's not just the rich fucks dodging taxes, the whole political system is corrupted.

The ironic thing is, they love their 2nd amendment so much, but they really should have used it long ago, because the state have been fucking them over for ages

>>725612682
The rich own the state, though. Our "representatives" are their lapdogs. Why would you get mad at a dog when its master tells it to bite you? The economic elite are the real problem.

So... it's like... funny?

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>>725612300
trumps tax returns were illegally leaked to Rachel Maddow yesterday.
she tried to embarrass him but he has in fact paid is exact share of taxes.

>>725612214
and even the best countries are poor

>>725613510
He paid income tax in 2005.

test

>>725613728
And he claimed over $100 million in business losses to get out of paying more tax.

>>725611260
Sums up the AHCA.

>>725610284
>it's not perfect so it's a disaster
A disaster compared to universal healthcare, and better than Trumpcare. The fact that Trump has not had ANY plan up until this point is pathetic and embarrassing.

Fucking imagine the Trump bots over on /pol/ if Clinton had ordered a raid in Yemen which killed 1 seal and 23 civilians, women and children. If Clinton had said "herp derp no one new it'd be hard xD".
If Shillary was taking a record breaking amount of golf trips, in spite of the fact that he's said the following: "I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off.”
What about the fact that he's on course to explode the debt by cutting taxes and increasing spending?
If Shillary or Sanders had done both - fucking either - of those things, Trump supporters would catch fire with righteous indignation.

>>725611260
my favorite meme

>>725610543
>he's joking
Nothing whatsoever points in this direction. His "solutions" on healthcare have been lacking at best. He has proven time and again that he's not really very well versed in the subject. His plan is a rip off of a different president's plan. He has made zero statements that would lead me, or anyone with half a brain, to believe that he secretly knows exactly what he's doing.

And think about it: With that mindset, you can justify damn near everything. "Oh, he was joking when he said Obama wire tapped him. He was joking when he said China invented climate change. He was joking when he said he wanted to ban muslims".

Is it really presidential for a man to confuse the country on something that is literally vital? Healthcare isn't a joke. I don't hear people laughing over not having coverage - or the fact that those who support him most will be hit the hardest.

Republicans played themselves, and they've yet to notice.

>>725613510
He leaked them himself. And yes he paid what he owes, but due loop holes he owed far less than he should have.

>>725611794
Sounds like you work for a shitty company. Get a real job

>>725610136
That explains why the Affordable Care Act was 900 pages and not a little comic book.

>>725610284
This, people forget Obama was the worst president in US history, NOBODY could be as bad as that weak, divisive fool. Thank god we survived that jerk and thank god for president Trump.

>>725614535
oh no millionare not give e nough millions to give me free stuff

>>725610666
Painting those on the social bottom as "the problem" is unreasonable and worrying. They have little power to defend themselves, and meanwhile the real criminals get away with it.

The rich take out billions and billions in various subsidies, tax loopholes, and off shore banking accounts. These are a greater problem than making sure poor people don't starve.

This is why politicians usually have an actual platform with concrete plans. Screaming MAGA MAGA MAGA seems to have won the vote but now we have total chaos in our government because there is no actual direction coming from leadership. Thanks Obama.

>>725614763
Obama was the leader of ISIS what you think he was gonna do, help us? That moron left America worse than Bush did. Thank god we got a real President fixing all this shit now.

>>725610843
>these 2 poor people have shitty control over their finances, the solution is obviously to remove social safety nets from the poor
Maybe they blew it all on payday, because they're stupid. Is the solution to say "don't do that" or to stop paying them, possibly putting them and their child on the street, increasing the likelihood that their kids will be just as shitty as they are?

This is assuming the worst. We have no idea who these two people are. Maybe they're upstanding citizens with stable jobs. I don't know or care, because anecdotal evidence is worthless.

>>725614763
Worst? are you sure of that? He took murica in the 07 crisis. And there is a lot of fucktards as president like Nixon and other shit heads

>>725614931
>>725614606
>worst president
>leader of ISIS
Deplorables.

>>725614763
Obama was GOAT. He caused the crazy left to be the weakest the party has been since the 20's. No one else could dismantle a party like that. :^)

>>725614763
Hard to argue otherwise

>National debt when obama entered office $10 Trillion

>National debt when obama left office $20 trillion

>More than all previous presidents combined

>>725614497
There is a difference. There is certainly a funny undertone to that statement. You are just overreacting and missing it completely.

As for the other 3: 1. Obama did wiretap him, 2. I do not agree on his views on climate change, but it can be improved it's far from perfect, 3. Its far from a ban, and even if it was i agree 100% on what he did here even if its far from a perfect solution.

Stop overreacting.

P.S: Do you honestly think anyone cares about your option on here?

>>725615069
This is why people think liberals are absolutely delusional. They can't accept the fact that Obama's legacy was completely rejected.

The new healthcare plan cuts the premiums for the healthy by having the elderly or infirm pick up the cost. If an old person can't afford insurance, their complicated medical needs aren't an expense for insurance firms. If you're happy getting a buck of societies worst off then you probably deserve everything you're gonna get with Trump. Say hello to an even more profit driven corporate America.

There's even some talk that the supposed savings to more wealthy people's insurance premiums won't come for some time, and they'll actually go up in the mean time. This is shambles and anyone saying otherwise is probably beyond help. You've all been stumped by the Trump.

>>725614792
so you agree with a system where your dad pays as much as a millionaire. (I say your sad because I'm sure you don't have a job)

>>725614763
just say that you don't like him for being a nigga. Somehow is less retarded

>>725615175
Did you remeber something odd that happened on 2007?

>>725615181
These shitlibs keep mentioning the muslim ban proposal, and the Wall against Mexicans and still don't get it - every time they mentioned these policies, it is helping Trump! These idiotic lefty-liberals may hate such policies, but a huge part of the public love those policies - they were some of the main reasons Trump won!

>>725615502
a huge recession second only to the great depression?

>>725615175
It's great that murica forget the the global crisis of 2007

>>725612209
I get it. The White Girl is "the World" and the black guy is Trump fucking it up

>>725615534
you are giving dumbfuck liberals too much credit, they don't think rationally like normal folk

>>725615304
>You've all been stumped by the Trump.

Yeah, thanks Democratic party. Great job serving the capitalist elite once again.

>>725615663
It's fine talk shit about liberals but, dude, your president is retarded, you can't deny it.

>>725615175
This. Obama nearly bankrupted the entire country, so glad Trump kicked that imbecile from office

>>725615181
>There is certainly a funny undertone to that statement. You are just overreacting and missing it completely.
Not really. It's not funny

1. Prove it. Trump's backed off from the wire tap charges, because he was talking out his ass as usual. So, where's the proof? No, "the CIA is able to" is not proof. Show me concrete evidence.
2. The very fact that he says shit like this is unacceptable. He's not only denying science, he's throwing weird aspersions around, creating enemies for no reason, and spreading misinformation.
3. His ban was silly and poorly thought out, and his new ban isn't much better (and is currently being challenged in court). He has shown no evidence on why these countries in particular should be banned. His ban does not take into account, that people from other countries can still go to the USA. ISIS recruits from everywhere.

Also, a "muslim ban" is asinine. How are you supposed to know? If you knew that admitting your christianity would make a trip impossible, you'd just lie on whatever test they gave you.
Lastly, the USA already had an exceedingly tough vetting process. Trump is, once again, talking out his ass when he claims that he'd make it "much tougher".

I really don't understand those who have 100% faith in him. If he had had the exact same beliefs and been democrat, you would ridicule him to hell and back.

>>725615795
Well nobody could be as bad as Obama, he does have that going for him.

>>725610896
Get a second job, I did.
Your employer being a Jew doesn't make the bill bad.

>>725615795
>implying we'd be better off with the spirit cooking witch and WW3 on our hands

>>725615806
You spelled "Bush" wrong.

>>725615872
dude, his only proiblem was being a nigga and you hate him for it.

>>725615999
Trips of truth

>>725615961
ww3, wow m8, slow down the conspiracy

>>725610896
>employer is a shitbag that doesn't want to take care of their employees
>blame it on healthcare
>elect a similar employer to represent your best interest as president of the United States.
Really makes u think

>>725615856
>Show me concrete evidence.

This is the same situation as the muppets who claim russia had intervention in our election, zero proof

>>725615999
TRIPS DON'T LIE. If you doubt you are a heretic

>>725615961
Not gonna lie, former Clinton voter here. It was fucking hilarious watching Hillary crash and burn. But in all seriousness I'm glad she didn't get the nuclear codes.

>>725615175
>Debt is the only aspect to the presidency
Good to know.

>>725615534
>every time they mentioned these policies, it is helping Trump!
Hardly. I'd rather shine a big spotlight on stupid than sweep it under the rug. His plans are not good. A ban will do little to nothing except antagonise muslims, because ISIS recruits from everywhere, and you can easily lie about your religion. The wall is largely irrelevant. It won't do much. Immigration by border crossing isn't a huge net gain, because people come, work, and go home over the winter.

I really don't see why you people like him so much. He's not a smart or impressive guy. Look how he speaks. It's not being "plain spoken". It's talking like my mom who has alzheimers - long tangents, no real point.
And why can't we see his tax returns like we have for every other president for decades? Does it not worry you that he doesn't want us to see them (and no, he's not unable to present them just because he's being audited. He's perfectly able to).

>>725614763
I here people like this all the time that have been brainwashed by corporate media propaganda.
But
Are you for real? I don't see anyone smart enough to use the Internet as capable having those beliefs sincerely

>>725615961
She was never going to get involved with a war and you're crazy retarded for thinking anyone would.

I genuinely don't think any of the candidates this election cycle would go to war unless it was knocking at our door. Even the Republican ones. Get your head out of your ass.

>>725615582
Yeah, thanks a alot Obama.

>>725616115
Yeah, but she was a capitalist puppet. Trump is literally a capitalist oppressor, but people voted for him because they hate the Democratic party establishment and their betrayal of the people more than almost anything. Most Trump voters weren't redneck /pol/ nazis, they were people getting crushed by neoliberal globalized capitalism.

The only solution is to eliminate the Democratic party and replace it with a far-left, anti-capitalist party that sides with the people. Anyone who tells you we need to give the Democrats another chance, reform, take it over from the inside, etc. is a fool. Nuke it and replace with a zero-apologies socialist party.

>>725615856

It's all ego, pure and simple. I don't give a fuck where you stand politically, the fact remains that he's an attention whore that doesn't like it when people say anything negative about him.

I wish someone in his administration would grow some balls and reign his ass in a little. At the end of the day, his success is our success. That also means that his embarrassments are our embarrassments and I'm tired of being fucking embarrassed by sheer inexperience.

>it's like he's never heard the phrase "act like you've been there before"

>>725616203
Then why is it okay for Trump to do it? Is that not rank hypocrisy?

Why do his followers not give a single fuck about his wrongdoings?

>>725614763
Agreed.Worst US president the world has ever seen. Made me embarrassed to be American.

>>725616520
But you did get his tax returns

From 2005


Because decade old taxes are totally relevant!

>>725614931
Barack "Hussein" Obama, what did you expect.

>>725616679
>people voted for him because they hate the Democratic party establishment
You misspelled "establishment". Sanders would have crushed Trump to dust. People were fed the fuck up with politicians, and elected a person who is literally barely able to speak.

>>725616638
Bush was President then.

>>725616628
China thinks otherwise. They're not happy with their supposed territorial waters being encroached, and they're pretty salty over the drones in SK.

>>725616698
Trump hasn't done it, it's all fake news once again

>>725616679
>Crushed by neoliberal globalized capitalism
Can you actually explain that point or do you just really like buzzwords?

>>725610136
>2017
>still saying "kek"

> I DONT WANT TO GIVE MY MOENY TO SICK PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP
> OFC I WANT MY MONEY TO GO TO MILLIONAIRES

fucking muricans how do they work?

>>725615181
>2
>it can be improved
Lmao it literally can't, he has stopped government scientist from performing and communicating research, most of his administration has heavy ties to the fossil fuels industry especially the people in charge of environmental regulation, his administration has literally made it an objective to make it worse for us and better for business.

>>725616939
Probably watched some article on CNN

>>725616859
China is buttmad about something every other day, they're not going to go to war with their biggest customer.

>>725610730
This. I'm glad there are still non-retarded americans who realize what kind of scam they're in for now

>>725616367
Are you more comfortable having a poorly educated, xenophobic rich kid who doesn't know what the nuclear triad is carrying the football?

>>725616982
Fatcat "government scientists" whose own interests lie in propagating the "man made" global warming myth.

>>725616940
It doesn't have to be explained to the people in the states that Clinton lost. They're actually feeling it in the collapse of their communities and standard of living. Keep giving them a smug "can you give the dictionary definition of your suffering, though?" and you'll keep wondering why you can't win elections against clowns.

>>725616638
Thanks Obama at his finest

>>725617118
No Hillary lost the election thank god.

>>725616679
>Trump is literally a capitalist oppressor
I just stoped there.

>>725617296
Trump doesn't know what the nuclear triad is.

>>725610460
The rich shouldn't be paying more for healthcare. That makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. A medical operation or procedure or a drug should have a cost associated with it which is constant and fixed per person. Insurance should take into account the cost of any operations or procedures or drugs you would need within that period of time.

Why should you even go to college at all if the world decides to make all taxes, healthcare, etc relative to your income such that your salary might be 80k a year but after everything taken from you, you have as much income as someone who makes 40k a year?

>>725617296
>poorly educated
>xenophobic
>ignorant

you're so retarded you can't spell trump?

>>725616778

*Two page decade old tax returns

>>725616982
It's like Reagan part 2 but this time the surivial of the species is at stake. We had little hope before a robber Barron president took office, doomed.
We will reach the 2*C warming mark and the climate will destabilize and that is on top of our other ecological problems threating our existence, like biodiveristy loss and habitat degradation/fragmentation.

>>725617208
But how do you or they know that they're feeling the crushing opression of the evil democrats and not the long standing effects of a shitty economy?

Don't give me this 'you don't have to explain your bullshit' bulkshutm I realise everyone in the rust belt is a mouth breathing retard. Doesn't make generalized concocted statements okay.

>>725617197
Nobody's arguing that global warming isn't happening, it's the idea that we as humans are responsible and that we have the power to change weather patterns in a couple years is the preposterous angle, and only peddled by those with their noses in the trough

>>725617197

Please say you're trolling. The global warming conspiracy theory is probably the most idiotic of them all.

>>725611841
socialists are not commies. Communism != socialism. Socialism != communism. Now go google both, and realize that (oh shit) you're socialist too.

>>725617402
The rich shouldn't be paying more for fire departments. That makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. A raging house fire should have a cost associated with it which is constant and fixed per home owner. Insurance should take into account the cost of any firefighting you would need within that period of time.

Why should you even go to college at all if the world decides to make all taxes, fire protection, etc relative to your income such that your salary might be 80k a year but after everything taken from you, you have as much income as someone who makes 40k a year?

>>725617402
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw1F7j5z9E8

>>725617296
This. We had a narrow escape.

>>725610597
YOU are the reason why premiums are so high in the first place you scum sucking leech

>>725617402
But you're forgetting that the rich want to benefit from the second healthcare reform. So they definitely shouldnt pay more.

>>725617565
Climate change is real enough, claiming it's man made is where the tinfoilers come in

>>725617640
No he isn't. Insurance companies are, they will always be the reason until you remove the profit incentive

>>725617549

Do you have any idea what the industrial revolution is, how carbon emissions work, and how there's a direct correlation with rising sea levels?

This shit's been happening since the 19th century, brah.

>>725617580
Socialism entails state control of production and distribution of goods. YOU go Google it.

>>725617488
>But how do you or they know that they're feeling the crushing opression of the evil democrats and not the long standing effects of a shitty economy?

Not what I'm saying at all. They were betrayed by the Democratic party that was supposed to be the party of the people when it turned into the party of center-right liberal professionals kowtowing to the economic elite for their political careers. The Democratic party is just feeling the consequences of turning their back on the unions and becoming Republican Lite.

Time for the Democratic party to go under and be replaced by a real party of the people. The current two-party system is just two different fairy tales told to the people while everyone serves the economic interests of the rich.

>>725610452
Those 14 million people are pieces of shit who will use the system much more then the other people who already had insurance.

At the expense of everyone else.

Why should it be necessary?

>>725617402
So you'd say it's fair for someone to go without live saving medical aid because they can't afford it when there's people sitting on so much money that they can't even imagine struggling to pay a basic medical bill?

Nah. Sure everyone has a right to the sweat of their brow, but it doesn't mean we have to stop looking out for others. Even Ayn Rand said that charitable action based on nothing more than the drive to do so was the best way to be.

>>725617595
I don't see the purpose of this response. Fire insurance cost should be relative to the cost of the house. If a rich person lives in a $80k row home that a middle class person might also live in, then their fire insurance rates should be the same. But if a rich person lives in a $1 million mansion, obviously the fire insurance costs for that should be higher.

But medical procedures are the same regardless of who you are. If they're not, then it's extortion and admission of not all people being equal to say that a rich person has to pay more for a medical procedure because their life is worth more so it's more important for them to be saved and thus should cost more.

>>725617640
Wrong, it was Obama's ineptitude on health policy that has put us in this mess. The guy was a charlatan. On the bright side things can only improve under President Trump

>>725617831
>Socialism entails state control of production and distribution of goods

You're just wrong. Stop blindly believing whatever the rich tell you to keep their system going.

>>725617197
You retard they are mostly grad students and post grads in ecology and the earth system science, getting grant money from the government. I know a lot of people that can't perform research, they aren't fat cats at all.
you can't just make up bullshit and pass it off as science, doesn't work that way
The government used to be transparent but the oil executives in trumps administration had alot of information taken down and inaccessible to the public. Suppressing information to keep you dumb but you already do most of the work for them

>>725617810
>climate has been constantly changing for millennia
>it continues to change
>GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE IS AFFECTED BY HUMANS
>HURR
>DURR

>>725617831
you've just correctly described communism.

>>725617831
>Workers seize the means of production
>For some reason this requires the state to act as a middle man

I'm not sure you understand what socialism is, comerade

>>725618022
lol, this is exactly how libtards think, dumb as a box of rocks the entire lot of 'em

>>725617861
Ow, I cut myself on this post.

But if you're serious the answer is that there are people who walk around with medical brackets that say 'do not recissitate' because the cost of am ambulance alone could financially ruin them. That's not even before they get to the hospital.

>>725618101
Not to mention that the bourgeois-controlled state is one of the first things that would disappear.

>>725611169
I needed to get food stamps for a year after I was laid off and couldn't find work. I got harassed every fucking month for that shit while every nigger I knew never had to report anything.

>>725617889
The problem isn't that the rich should be paying more. The problem is that doctors and pharmaceutical companies are EXTREMELY rich and lining their pockets because the costs of procedures and drugs are completely not proportial to the costs involved. If they want to have universal healthcare, bring medical procedure costs and drug costs down to what they should be and stop making pharmaceutical industry a billion dollar industry. I would be fine with that even if it means doctors can't be subject to lawsuits of normal mistakes that might happen except in extremely negligent cases.

>>725618172
>'do not recissitate'

kek

>>725618022

If you think the rate at which temperatures are increasing is part of a gradual, natural process, you're dreaming. There is a direct correlation between increases in average temperature levels per year and increases in carbon emissions over time, marked most notably by the exponential increase in carbon emissions and temperatures since the mid-late 19th century, when coal had really come into its own.

There's no need to resort to all caps, bud.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/decadaltemp.php

>>725617947
You haven't Googled it yet.

>>725618022
It's this basic. :|
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas
>put trillions of tons of gases in atmosphere that reflect heat that shouldn't be there
>earth warms up because of this

>>725618022
>>725618022
>Human being, the most influential species on the planet, who are capable of ruining entire ecosystems, and eliminating entire species, have 0 bearing on the area around them
Lolokay

>>725618238
The climate is always changing. It's changed who knows how many times since the Earth's atmosphere was formed. Furthermore, there's no empirical proof that humans are causing the current climate change. If there was then it wouldn't be a debate, it'd be fact.

Can everyone just agree that his statment was one of the most dumb things sayd by a presiend?

>>725615856
> if you knew that admitting your Christianity would make a trip impossible, you just lie on whatever test they gave you
Sure, you might be able to avoid the ban there, but you'll get a new ban when you try to go to the kingdom of heaven.

>>725618172
>waaa everyone's equal

>>725618212
I actually agree with this, I was just commenting on the 'everyone should pay the same' argument. If we're insisting on keeping the system rigged in favor of big pharma then I think taxing the rich is preferable to expecting the poor to pick up such a ludicrous mark up, especially for something as vital as medical care.

>>725618219
Do you have anything else to add other than pointing out my terrible spelling?

>>725618266
Or you could read a book instead of Googling a bunch of oversimplified nonsense.

>>725618321
So called "man made" climate change is a huge business, of course those who stand to benefit are going to propagate the myth, this is what Trump is trying to fix, and about time.

>>725618383
No they are not. But everyone deserves to be able to see doctors or go the hospital without checking their bank accounts

>>725618334
"If you want to keep your doctor, you can keep your doctor"

>>725618350
ikekd

>>725618426
So instead of fixing the rigging in favor of big pharma which we OBVIOUSLY should do, we should keep that rigging and also add rigging in favor of the poor? That kind of mentality will some day make it where there's no point at all in becoming rich because someone who makes 35k a year gets to keep 50% of their income after government expenses are taken out, and someone who makes 70k a year gets to keep 25% because they pay more on everything. So basically the two jobs are the same and there was no purpose whatsoever to go to college and whatever to get that higher salary.

>>725618577
Wasn't that statement made before the bill got edited to fuck and back?
"I am not a crook"

>>725618543
True, but that shouldn't apply to immigrants, refugees or illegals, only deserving Americans.

>>725618658
/thread

>>725618321
It's not a debate anon, and something can't just be 'fact' like that. That's not how scientific method works. Even gravity is a theory.

To think climate change is not man-made, you'd have to go against every credible scientific body on earth. That's not exaggerating; there's not a single respected group, governmental or independent, which say climate change is not man made.

Even petroleum lobbyists cite source which are 'neutral' on it. Do you think they'd ignore scientists providing evidence it's fake if they could get hold of it?

>>725611086
Actually it's because reality doesn't fit your over simplified stereotypes

>>725618577
>"If you want to keep your doctor, you can keep your doctor"
that was a fucking lie, and a lie that Trump just told too. But it was't dumb.